Black Creek Farm - Pawsitively Perfect Pets - Amy Veal - Amy Lynn ripoff, sold me a puppy with Parvo and it died Milledgeville Georgia

I'm willing to join anyone who wants to take this woman to court. She breeds sick puppies, she's fraudulent in her advertising, and her business practices are unethical. Amy Veal is a liar and a fraud and NEEDS TO BE STOPPED!

Of the 53 million dogs in the U.S., about two-thirds come from backyard breeders. They are the single greatest cause of the pet overpopulation crisis in this country. The worst of the backyard breeders sometimes come to the attention of local animal control authorities, who may negotiate with a breeder who is keeping dogs in truly deplorable conditions to release at least some of the dogs to a shelter. Shelters then often turn to rescue groups, because they know that the dogs -- unsocialized, requiring more medical care than most shelters can afford -- will have to be euthanized.

A backyard breeder is someone who keeps a number of dogs and either breeds them deliberately or just lets them breed. Backyard breeders may have a few dogs or many, one breed or several. They usually have no understanding of or concern about the breed standard, genetics, socializing the dogs, and maintaining their health. Don't confuse them with "hobby breeders," who breed small numbers of dogs and care for their dogs well.

A backyard breeder who is successful in selling puppies may decide to expand and become a puppy miller -- someone who breeds dogs with profit as the one and only motive and concern. More often, though, backyard breeders simply allow the dogs they have to breed, and they often keep many of the offspring. They frequently end up with too many dogs to care for properly. Backyard breeders get new dogs from a variety of sources, among them from ads offering dogs "free to good home" (see box below).

If you are looking for a dog, research and check out the breeder thoroughly to avoid backyard breeders.

Reputable Breeders:

1. A reputable breeder will not breed dogs under the age of two. A reputable breeder will conduct (and can provide proof of) the following genetic health tests on their breeding animals and will require them of the sire (father) should they "hire" a stud dog for the litter:

Holter monitor test yearly
Full thyroid panel yearly
OFA (for hip displasia), a one time deal done at or after age 2

Beware of breeders who scoff at genetic testing and say their particular breed/line is problem-free.

2. A reputable breeder requires that "pet-quality" animals be spayed or neutered and sells them on Limited Registration. Be wary of breeders who do not mention altering.

3. A reputable breeder provides a written contract with the sale of the pup. This will vary from breeder to breeder, but usually spells out the rights of the seller and buyer, health information, genetic health guarantees (should be at least 2 years), required altering and buy-back/return policy.

4. A reputable breeder typically has a waiting list for the unborn puppies and does not advertise in the newspaper classifieds.

5. A reputable breeder shows passion, love, and tremendous knowledge about the breed. He or she cares about placing puppies in excellent homes and will often interview potential buyers thoroughly, will make referrals to the local animal rescue group, ask for references and will refuse to sell a dog if the home is not appropriate for the breed or for a puppy.

6. A reputable breeder recommends the local animal rescue organization to potential homes. Explaining that these dogs make wonderful family pets and companions.

7. A reputable breeder will hold on to puppies as long as it takes to place them in the right homes and will continue to recommend rescue even though they have puppies available.

8. The environment (typically a home) in which the breeder keeps the dogs should be clean and well-maintained. Do not agree to meet the breeder off site. TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS ON THIS!

9. A reputable breeder is actively involved in the dog fancy, including showing and/or breed clubs. While there are exceptions--a retired individual who has shown dogs for 20 years--a person who is not involved with others in the breed can be suspect.

10. A reputable breeder is willing to provide answers to questions you may have and is willing to provide names of others who have purchased pups from them.

11. A reputable breeder will allow you to meet the puppies parents if available and, if the father isn't available, they will show you pictures and provide you with the information on how to contact the owner of the sire(father).

12. A reputable breeder follows up on puppies. He or she is interested in how the pups develop physically and mentally, difficulties in the owner/dog relationship and health problems.

13. A reputable breeder will not let puppies leave their home prior to 8 weeks of age and often not until 10 weeks of age.


Up to 10 million healthy animals are killed in U.S. pounds and shelters
every year. The killing could easily be prevented by spaying and neutering.

Euthanasia is the single largest cause of death for dogs in the U.S. Each
year 27 million of the animals are born. Five to ten million we classify as
"surplus" and kill. That's about one million per month. These numbers do not
include the millions of dead dogs whose bodies we scrape off the streets, or
the hundreds of thousands of abandoned, severely neglected or abused ones
who never make it to our shelters to be counted and killed. The five to ten
million figure represents those we "must" kill because they are unwanted.

Most of these animals are young and healthy; in fact, it is estimated that a
majority are less than one year of age. The problem is simple: we have too
many dogs. Too many for the too few homes available. The solution we have
opted for is to kill the extras. This solution has been considered
acceptable by default, as though there were no other way to control the crisis. And we
spend over $1 billion every year destroying "man's best friend."

Why is this happening in the United States today? The number one biggest
contributor to the problem is the backyard breeder not the puppy mills.

This is a name that has become unpopular and no one wants to admit they are a
backyard breeder. Many people do not even realize they are part of the
problem. This is what I need to address in this post. The only way to stop
the needless killing of dogs is to stop the needless breeding of them.

Every breed of dog recognized by the AKC has a written standard, a blueprint
of what the dog should look like and act like. These standards were written
so that all would know what a quality example of the breed is and strive to
produce dogs that meet or exceed the standard in health, temperament and
appearance. To be sure you are breeding dogs that meet these standards,
your dogs must be judged by people who have a lifetime of experience among the
breed. Do you know the standard of the Pure Breed Dog? Does your dog
meet this standard according to an AKC Judge? If not, your dog is pet
quality. A pet is to be loved, cherished, trained, cared for, spoiled and
bragged about, but it is NEVER to be bred. No matter how cute or sweet the
dog may be, if it is not up to the standard, you have no business breeding
it.

If you have a purebred dog this does not give you the right to breed it.

Most purebred dogs are not breeding quality. If you breed your pet quality
dog, you are a backyard breeder, whether you breed the dog in your
backyard, garage, living room or an expensive hotel room, the term is still backyard
breeder.

If your pet quality dog has AKC papers, that's nice but it doesn't change
anything. You still don't have the right to breed it.

If your pet quality dog cost you $500 be glad you had the money to afford
it. You still have no right to breed it.

Do you think you can make your $500 back if you breed your pet dog or if
your pet dog is a color or size that isn't in the standard but you just know
everyone will want buy a pup if you breed her? Shame on you! Now you are a backyard
breeder with the purpose of breeding pups for bucks.

If the price for a tail dock or an ear crop seem high to you, what are you
going to do when your beloved pet needs an emergency C section. Will you
even be there with her to know if she is in trouble? Would you recognize
trouble before it's too late?

And if you still want to breed your pet dog but need to ask who's supposed
to cut off the tails and ears, ask yourself "What the Hell am I thinking!"

Do you think genetic testing is something they used in the OJ trial but has
nothing to do with your dog breeding career? You are a backyard breeder.

Backyard breeders sell pups that aren't up to the standard of the breed.
They do this for many reasons. None are good enough reasons to contribute
to the killing of dogs. Period.

Backyard breeders will swear all of their pups went to a good home. They
believe this but it's not true. Some may have been lucky enough to go to a
good home but more than half of them will end up dead, in a shelter, alone,
on a cold table with a needle sticking out of their leg. Some of those good
homes will get tired of the dog and they will just give it away to anyone
who is willing to take it. Some of your beloved dog's children will end up
living alone in a backyard, barking all night, cold and neglected until the
owner gets complaints and then that pups will be dead. Some will be starved
and beaten. Some will be bred until they die from it. Some will end up in
rescue and I will have to find space for it in my home and I will have to
show it that not all humans are bad. I will train it, and feed it the
proper food so it can heal. I will take the fleas off of it and I will get rid of
the worms. I will give it the shots it should have had but no one
remembered to give it. I will do these things because the backyard breeder didn't do it
and wouldn't take the dog back when it was 2 years old and full of problems.

I will spay or neuter that pup before I find it a new home so that I will
never have to rescue one of it's pups and so I can be sure it will never end
up in the hands of another backyard breeder looking to make profit from
puppies.

Backyard breeders are not responsible pet owners. They think they love the
dogs but it's not really true because they don't really want to be bothered
with doing all that it takes to breed ethically. They love feeling
important when they say "I breed "Pure Breed dogs"". But breeding pet dogs isn't
something to be proud of. If a shame on our society. It's the reason for
the killing that goes on in shelters. Why do you want to be part of that?

Do you want to be respected? Spay or neuter you pet dog. There's really no
other way. The kind of homes you want for your pet pups don't want to buy
from you. They are looking for responsible, respected breeders who are
doing something for the breed as a whole. Most of those who will come running to
buy your pups are the kind of people I wouldn't give a dog I didn't like to.
They are the ones who will turn your puppy into a shelter when the novelty
wears off. That's a fact.

Want to stop the problem of killing 1 Million dogs a month all over America?

Spay or neuter your pet dog now and tell everyone you know to do the same
and leave the breeding to the people who are doing something to better the
breed.

My "red" "toy" poodle(?) is cream and apricot and weighs 11 lbs and is not a year old yet(I guess) We still have no papers on her so I don't even know her birth date.

I could care less about the papers , she has been spayed and I would not want to breed her anyway. I must add, she lights up my family's day, we love her! But we still feel a little ripped off.

She also has hip issues, so even though we love her very much I could not reccommend Amy to anyone.

SORRY AMY, IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE THE ONE POSING AS A SO CALLED CONSUMER HERE TO BUST OPEN KARLA'S REPUTATION.

Hello!!!! I dont believe a person who is supposedly suspected of having Parvo on her property would go so far as to sue and waste months of her life trying to recoup funds, a replacement pup IF she herself had dealings with parvo!!!!!

Hello!!!! WHY WOULD SHE RISK HAVING THAT TERRIBLE INFO LEAKED OUT IF SHE KNEW SHE WAS SECRETLY BATTLING THESE HORRIFIC CLAIMS?????
I dont know but the obvious thing that any one hiding from such claims would do is keep quite and try to HIDE the fact that Parvo is anywhere on her property. Not blast it to the world so that any one from her past could come along and make the same claims. I mean who the h@ll would do that to themselves. Who would ask for such attention if they then selves could be found to be just as guilty of the same thing.

No, I truly DO not believe this woman went through all of this and has history of parvo....even Amy's crazy pathetic self even said SHE WOULD ABSOLUTELY RECCOMEND KARLA'S BUSINESS AND PRETTY MUCH STATED HOW MUCH SHE RESPECTED THE WOMANS DOG RAISING SKILLS.

Now, all of this from a woman accused of selling dying dogs?????? You REALLY think that?

NO, AFTER READING ALL THIS MESS.....ITS OBVIOUS THAT AMY STILL READS THIS STUFF AND HAS REREAD THAT LONG LOAD OF BULL s**t SHE LEFT AND ALL SHE CAN DO NOW IS LYE ON PEOPLE AND TRY TO MAKE THIS KARLA PERSON OUT TO BE JUST AS SLIMY AS HER.

But its clear that Amy is a crook and a lie.....any business owner that would come on here with so many lies and excuses shows how pathetic, low moral and low life she really is in the heart. I mean d@m people.....how many vacations and hospital trips is this woman taking a year...???

And when someone leaves that long of a reply statement ( a guilty one at that)all while supposedly claiming to feel bad and remorseful why would they then curse and tell off customers that have at some point paid and supported their business??? If you feel so bad, why leave such nasty mean ignorant unprofessional crap on a public board??? I wish someone would talk to me like that after I sent them that much money. I would take an investment to where they were and whoop off in some arse!

But thats me, not important here.....Im sorry karla, I would have liked to say you learned your lesson, but hey, this woman told you to F*ck off other times and a few other choice words even before you got that replacement dog and you still choose to do business with her??? I mean, she treat you like absolute CRAP when she found you to be disposable....as soon as the both of you seem to find use for one another then it got a bit more civil......then all of a sudden she's crazy again.....yet you wanted to delete this story. I say you got soft cause that cute lil pup arrived. Girl you almost effed up trying to delete all of this great proof......are you crazy.

Tired you may be ...but a lil nuts too??. Im glad you got your new dog, and I tend to believe he was something you two bartered off as a way to make money off of and like you stated was a way for you to eventually recoup lost funds.

Seems that was ENOUGH to turn a blind eye to such past disrespectful treatment. "Money"
Not principal...money
He was going to make you breeding money....and hey, more power to you.....but to turn soft and then turn cold (just as she did) is ridiculous.
You claimed she had nothing but $$ in her eyes, but you sorta did too accepting a deal with the devil in attempt to make some loot and then try to come back here and play like "oh well"....???

Were you being nice/civil in good attempts to possibly get the paperwork from her????

Sorta appears that since she still refuses to give them up and you have concluded/realize that you can only make possibly only make "half" the profit off the dog... that this could be the "refound" fuel behind your latest wrath toward her. Cause yeah, you were all ready to forgive and forget, until babygirl left you high and dry again...Thats what you get for doing business with the d@m devil! I guess we all live and learn huh....yeah

I guess I would be mad too. In the end, you were right it appears...she seemed scandalouse from the very beginning...rather you did work with her agin or not....the point here was about the FIRST experience. I got that.

I also dont think that poster was real.

I think it was Amy crapping around, the lady is fuming and pretty desperate in my opinion...and quite petty it appears. The funny thing is that her story of abuse has reached all the way here in the state Im visiting on craigslist. I just read about her 2 days ago even before finding this thread....and its Dec 2006.

So the word is getting out on her.

geesh, another breeder gone bad, how sad of a story. wish i could directly comment on this situtaion more so. BUT it is clearly us animal people have to stick together. bad bad breeders how awful people are, get a life withough animals please! we are watching all over the internet for bad people like you.

Wow. After reading the novel that Amy wrote I'm quite offended. She actually seems quite illiterate. Nice. In my defense about my dogs having blood in their stool and eating it as well, our vet DID actually say that the pups were under weight in attempt to keep them small. She also said it was quite common and wasn't a big deal... so we didn't worry.

As far as worms go, we were told my Amy that they had be de-wormed. Why would they still have worms then, eh??? We weren't worried about money. It was the least of our concerns. We wanted to make the puppies better and didn't need Amy's help doing so. Like i said, the two puppies are alive and well. I don't understand why Amy got so defensive over my input in the conversation.

Anyone looking for a puppy that reads this can see for themselves NOT to buy a puupy from AMY VEAL primarily because of how she has handled this situation. Crazy woman!

Wow. After reading the novel that Amy wrote I'm quite offended. She actually seems quite illiterate. Nice. In my defense about my dogs having blood in their stool and eating it as well, our vet DID actually say that the pups were under weight in attempt to keep them small. She also said it was quite common and wasn't a big deal... so we didn't worry.

As far as worms go, we were told my Amy that they had be de-wormed. Why would they still have worms then, eh??? We weren't worried about money. It was the least of our concerns. We wanted to make the puppies better and didn't need Amy's help doing so. Like i said, the two puppies are alive and well. I don't understand why Amy got so defensive over my input in the conversation.

Anyone looking for a puppy that reads this can see for themselves NOT to buy a puupy from AMY VEAL primarily because of how she has handled this situation. Crazy woman!

Wow. After reading the novel that Amy wrote I'm quite offended. She actually seems quite illiterate. Nice. In my defense about my dogs having blood in their stool and eating it as well, our vet DID actually say that the pups were under weight in attempt to keep them small. She also said it was quite common and wasn't a big deal... so we didn't worry.

As far as worms go, we were told my Amy that they had be de-wormed. Why would they still have worms then, eh??? We weren't worried about money. It was the least of our concerns. We wanted to make the puppies better and didn't need Amy's help doing so. Like i said, the two puppies are alive and well. I don't understand why Amy got so defensive over my input in the conversation.

Anyone looking for a puppy that reads this can see for themselves NOT to buy a puupy from AMY VEAL primarily because of how she has handled this situation. Crazy woman!

Wow. After reading the novel that Amy wrote I'm quite offended. She actually seems quite illiterate. Nice. In my defense about my dogs having blood in their stool and eating it as well, our vet DID actually say that the pups were under weight in attempt to keep them small. She also said it was quite common and wasn't a big deal... so we didn't worry.

As far as worms go, we were told my Amy that they had be de-wormed. Why would they still have worms then, eh??? We weren't worried about money. It was the least of our concerns. We wanted to make the puppies better and didn't need Amy's help doing so. Like i said, the two puppies are alive and well. I don't understand why Amy got so defensive over my input in the conversation.

Anyone looking for a puppy that reads this can see for themselves NOT to buy a puupy from AMY VEAL primarily because of how she has handled this situation. Crazy woman!

I'm just reporting it as I see it. And I definitely see what others have mentioned...you have a temper. I am being very civil and pointing out what I see and you are being very snippy by calling me a liar. What lie? Are you being defensive because maybe the truth has come out?

Just read, public. Who is the liar? I do not know Amy Veal or anyone associated WITH Amy Veal, nor do I know you. You mention that you liked Amy and wished you could be friends but then turn and say she's an evil lying person. (Among other things...) ? Sounds a little bit strange.

Also, ask a vet...it takes more than RAIN or hot weather to "WASH" away Parvo. You mentioned you were talking with your bank about getting your $850 back that you paid for the puppy that died. I wonder if that's why your business does not accept credit cards or paypal...you'd be afraid someone would do that to you.

ROFLMAO you are so full of it! This is an out right lie..PERIOD!

Karla, I do not know you but I find it very interesting that YOU, the person who initiated THIS report about a breeder sending (supposedly)a puppy with PARVO also has reports on THIS website from former customers reporting her own business, Kardon's Cockapoos, (mispelled as Kardoon's in one report)for sending puppies with intestinal viruses and parvo and not standing behind a health guarantee. Your own words trying to toot your own horn led me to this filing. You claimed to Amy that you had absolutely no parvo on your property. I feel badly that your puppy did die but to degrade a breeder for the same thing you have done to your own clients (sending a dog with parvo or intestinal virus) is not right. At least, in my opinion, Amy listened to your complaint and did send you a replacement puppy without knowing that YOU HAD SOLD PUPPIES WITH PARVO AND HAD PARVO ON YOUR PROPERTY. She just took your word for it. Kudos to Amy for that. What about your own customers who had no recourse or help with their vet bills? I think for you to say you don't have parvo on your property is wrong. To purchase a cockapoo puppy that dies from Parvo and get a purebred dog for a replacement and then to have the gall to ask for it's AKC papers (for breeding purposes--more $$$ in a registered dog) is a little much, especially knowing what we all know now--that you have had parvo on your property as you have sent puppies WITH it to unsuspecting buyers. If I were Amy, I would have told you to f---off, too. Again, your words, see before this filing. I think you need to look in the mirror, Ms. Karla Clippinger. Not too many breeders in the Spanaway, WA area with the name Karla and that specific website address. Oh, and I think the reports may have mispelled your name as Clippanger, not Clippinger for others, including AMY, who might want to put two and two together. If you google Karla's name, you also see how she recommends a specific software called zooeasy and mentions that she's thought of breeding leonberger dogs--not the tiny little housedogs she acts like she has. Who knows how many dogs she has or who cares. The point is, someone is not telling the truth here.

Samantha dear, YES I have proof where the Parvo came from..That puppy was sick within a few days of arriving and had been NOWHERE other than the vet and my vet bleaches everything after each dog. And Mikey never once touched the ground or the table. I placed a large blanket over the table, I do it with ALL of my dogs when they go!

Also, she had another pup she sold die that I know of for sure.

If it were you who had to put out almost 3 grand for vet fee's I think you would be a bit ticked off as well. And yes, I was happy to get a replacement puppy and did not ask her to pay vet bills, so I don't know what you are talking about.

I have had 4 litters since that pup died of Parvo, I also had a litter here I sold for a friend, and not even one of them got parvo. I have also bought 4 more puppies to add to my breeding program, and brought in 4 more adult dogs.. Nobody got Parvo. So it is quite obvious I do not have Parvo on my property!

Mikey was here for 4 days when he started showing signs of Parvo. I quarantine all dogs and pups when they come here now, Mikey only touched the grass in 1 area after showing signs so it was very easy to bleach the heck out of that spot and get rid of any parvo. Gee with so many healthy dogs in my home, I must be doing something right.

By the way folks. Amy Veal has vanished again, closing her web site. When I emailed her asking for the AKC numbers on Willie, she told me to f-off and refused to give the info, and instead gave me the nick names they use for the parents.

She says she is no longer breeding, I will believe that when hell freezes over. She has changed her kennel name and web site before. She has probably already done that..

Once again I am NOT the bad person here ripping people off. It's Amy veal, or whatever her name is this week.

I bought 2 puppies from Amy Veal, a little Shih Tzu (Shaggy) and a Toy Poodle (Poppy). I have to say that I had a wonderful experience buying from Amy. Everything went well. The puppies are the best quality I have seen in a long time on both breeds.

I also have to be me and put in my opinion on this matter. Number one: Ok to the lady with the "Parvo Puppy", Can you prove she sold you the puppy with the Parvo? How do you know the puppy was not exposed to another puppy with Parvo on the plane, in the airport, or even on the street?

We are talking about a HIGHLY contagus virus here people. Heck some one can come over to your house with the Parvo virus on their shoes and your dogs will get it. The incubation period can be 3-5 days or more and every vet will tell you a different amount of time, my vet says 5-7 days but another vet I use says 3-5.

With that being said. I do not think after having a puppy with parvo in my home I would get a replacement puppy, if I thought I knew where it cam from. Parvo can live in the environment for up to 7 years. So why would you put another puppy in that risk? I can not stand it when people get on here talking smack about other people but they only tell half of the story.

You got a replacement puppy what more do you want? If you signed the same contract I did it bluntly says that she will not pay for vet bills, and why should she when you buy that puppy you agree to take care of it and love it until the end. That's part of being a lover of animals.

I treat my Poppy and Shaggy as if they were my kids. If your child came down sick 2 months after birth, and you had to pay for the doctor would you complain about the doctor who delivered that child? NO I think not. Come on, why are you trashing people after she gave you a new puppy to make it right?

I to had a bad experience with Amy, She was nice until she recieved my money. The pups (I recieved 2). I believe they are not the ones I saw on her web site. She told me she would pay for the shipping since I was buying 2. I had to pay cash at the airport for them, so she owes me $178.00. She said she would send papers with them she never did. I had to call her over & over again to get them. Finally my vet contacted her vet for them. When she finally returned my call she said she was in the hospital.

She avertisied the pups as color red, the male is cream/apricot and the female apricot. I asked time and time again for pictures of the parents I never recieved them. She told me I was getting toy poddles thats what I wanted, but these pups are 12lbs, she told me the most they would be was 6-8lbs., She also never told me that she clips their tails, (why would you do that?) and most important she never sent me their AKC papers.I got the pups in May it is now October. She has not returned a phone call and all my e-mails are come back. Thank god my pups are healthy. I'm sorry we all had to deal with this type of person you can't count me in to put this women out of business.

Jenifer wrote: "I got upset because it appeared that things were better after Amy gave you the replacement."

It actually did get better before and after the replacement of the puppy.. And then she saw this report and went mad.

In the several weeks since I got Willie, the replacement puppy I had asked her to have some compasion and please give me the information on the parents of this pups. She in turn wrote some pretty nasty letters. I had to block her from emailing me it got so bad.

I Have now noticed she is no longer selling pups on her web site pawsitivelyperfectpets.net. The only thing on her page is a notice stating no more puppies.

I am not dumb and seen her work before, i am sure she already has another web site up with a new kennel name..I hope I am wrong and pray she has given up selling puppies!

I had decided to keep Willie, he is a pretty kewl little dog, and so darn adorable. I am totaly attached to him. he is a wonderful pet. It does still bother me I do not know who his parents are or the lines behind him.. But I will deal with it.

However i have decided to start a buyer beware list for people to post their expereiences with breeders, good or bad.. And i will have her listed as number 1 worst!

Another thing I want to point out, she said she had ALL of her dogs and puppies tested for parvo after Mikey was diagnosed. She also says here that she provided me with those results..That is a lie.. I never saw any reports

And does anyone have any idea how much it costs to parvo test a dog? In my state it is min 50.00..That is A LOT of money if she had them all tested. And don't forget, unless they are showing signs of parvo, the test will show NEG!

My hope is that this information will help other's

Well you did say that you still like Amy (8/23) and that you tried to delete the report.

*My eyes popped out of my head when I saw Jamies posting that she was looking for Amy to buy another animal...right after she said that the puppies were eating poop (probably from being starved) If you believed this why in the hell would you want to support that breeder by buying again? *
*But if you are feeding them such good food why would they be lacking a vitamin. As far as I know, there are quite a few reasons dogs might eat poop. Boredom or stress, hunger or lacking something, or just that the kennel is fithy and they are trying to clean up. *

I was saying I can't believe that JAMIE would be looking to buy another dog from Amy when she thought the others were small from being starved.
I don't think I said anything about YOUR dog being small.

Then I was point out that in AMY's response she said she fed them great food, but they probably eat poop due to lack of vitamins. Or could it be that she doesn't clean up regularly after the dogs, or neglects them?

*As I read further.. she warns people that parvo lives for years and years. Why would Karla get another animal when parvo is on her property. Why then Amy would you give her another one of your puppies??? If that was the case and you wanted to clear your name by doing the right thing, you should have given her the money back, not another LIVE ANIMAL. Are you that positive that she was making the parvo thing up? She just wanted to report you to everyone for no reason and the puppy didn't have parvo?*

This is my response to AMY who said why would Karla take another animal from me when parvo lives for years.
My question is, if you are such a great breeder AMY why would you give her another dog if you believed she had parvo on her property? If Amy thought that Karla was lieing about the parvo, why would she give her a replacement? It doesn't make sense does it? Something is missing in Amys information.

I'm not saying you have parvo on your property!
And I'm not saying you shouldn't have taken another dog. It just allows her (AMY) to continue breeding animals when she obviously shouldn't.

I'm glad you continue to make you point against Amy I have seen you respond to other posts about her also. Don't give up. I got upset because it appeared that things were better after Amy gave you the replacement.

Jennifer, not sure where you came from..But whatever.. I am not clear at times who you are talking to, but I can say this, i did not BUY another puppy from her.. Nor did I only see a loss in money when the pup died..

Don't forget I only had him a few days and I still tried to save his life. I could have put him to sleep.. And it was a loss of money, as well as a puppy..That is a fact, period!

I never said I wanted to stay friends with her, she is nuts! I said I wish we could have been because I "THOUGHT" she was a nice person, and of course I was wrong about that.. She is a cruel person who only see's $$$ in her eyes.

I DID stand up and do something, she was reported to everyone I could think of.. And I REFUSE to defend myself for taking that other pup.. And Parvo does not stay forever, that pup went poo ONCE outside she he first showed signs and that area was bleached.. wanna see pictures of my back yard?

She has proof that Mikey died, I gave it to her and her vet. I should not have to defend myself, I am the victim after Mikey not Amy veal, Amy lynne, Amy Lynn, Lynne Veal or whatever name she chooses to use this week!

The ONLY reason I wish I could delete the report is because of how it has brought a lying cheating horrible, evil person to come and make more lies to try and make herself look good..

HOWEVER, I no longer feel that way, whatever she does, will come back to her and if she enjoys hurting animals and people, you can bet it's gonna come back Hard!

Mikey was a beautiful puppy, and he was tiny but not underweight, I never said that. He lost weight when he got sick within a few hours lost 5oz and he was only 2.5 pounds at almost 10 weeks.

He may not have been the pup I actually thought I was buying, but we did get attached even in a few days. I did get CKC papers on him though, at least she had given me the parents name and CKC numbers.. I got the papers and pedigree a few days after he died and I still have them.. At least I tried to save him even if he did lose the battle and I lost 2300.00 in vet fee's. And yes that does matter, it's a lot of money

So yes I took another puppy from her, she showed a nicer, kinder more caring side and I felt like everything would be ok. I named the puppy Willie and he is a doll..I have no clue who his parents are, doesn't matter anymore.. He will make a wonderful companion.. He is so stinking cute I wish I had a hundred like him (just kidding..lol)

So I don't regret taking him.. However, I see your point and I probably shouldn't have, it could have been Mikey all over again, but it's over and done with, and everything turned out ok.

The facts don't change and the main fact here is that this woman is a liar and a cheat.. And I pray nobody else has to go through this.. But as long as she is still selling puppies it will..

I agree with P. Why would anyone be willing to buy another animal from someone who treated them, and the animal badly?? At first I was thinking what a great lady, she is making all this noise to let people know that Amy is a bad breeder and doesn't care for animals. But no..it seems that she is mostly mad that she was ripped off. She doesn't want to be blamed for buying a bad dog, but then she blames someone else for Amy finding out about what she posted! I agree that she backed down from her position when she was offered replacement dogs. Hmm like it is a tv or something.

My eyes popped out of my head when I saw Jamies posting that she was looking for Amy to buy another animal...right after she said that the puppies were eating poop (probably from being starved) If you believed this why in the hell would you want to support that breeder by buying again? I don't know anything about Amy or Black Creek Farm, maybe she's good maybe she's not. But obviously the starving puppies to keep them small got to her too, since she brought it up herself. But if you are feeding them such good food why would they be lacking a vitamin. As far as I know, there are quite a few reasons dogs might eat poop. Boredom or stress, hunger or lacking something, or just that the kennel is fithy and they are trying to clean up.

As I read further.. she warns people that parvo lives for years and years. Why would Karla get another animal when parvo is on her property. Why then Amy would you give her another one of your puppies??? If that was the case and you wanted to clear your name by doing the right thing, you should have given her the money back, not another LIVE ANIMAL. Are you that positive that she was making the parvo thing up? She just wanted to report you to everyone for no reason and the puppy didn't have parvo?

And last I wonder why Karla would be willing to delete this report after everthing that has happened. To stay friends with Amy? The site warns you many times that you cannot delete anything, but most important is that other people should be warned. If they want to buy a puppy from Amy, fine, now they will know to check out the dog in person, like most people suggest you do. But MANY people do not want to buy a dog from someone that doesn't take care of animals. Someone who sees dogs that die as a loss of money is not someone I want to deal with. My animals are more important that money to me. RIP Mikey.

I am sorry you have had to go through this as well.. Please take the time and post your own report on Amy, the more the better and more people will come out to post a complaint. Then maybe we can do something about it.

I find it interesting that your pup also died (before you got it). You are not the first person who I have heard this from. When did this take place? I am curious if it died from Parvo. I would like to find others in the same time frame that had pups die when mine did of parvo. I am sure there are others besides me.

First off to Karla, thank you for voicing your concern and warn others out there about Amy and her "many" companies. I am sorry that this site has turned into a battle zone. I too was not treated like a consumer should be treated and was not given what I asked for.

My mother and I were to purchase three Maltipoo's from one litter (I requested a girl specifically; my mother did not have a preference). When they were born mine apparently was very sick. During this time Amy kept me out of the loop on what was going on, eventually the puppy died.

My mother received her two puppies with promises of papers, registration, etc. (never received it, a year and a half later still nothing). She said I could get a girl from the next litter (which was to be shortly 2 months or so). That never happened either and she stated after trying to contact her numerous times that it would be later on in the year, almost 9 months after paying for the 3 puppies.

After many e-mails, phone calls, etc. she stated she had another friend breeder who had a girl maltipoo and I could purchase that one, for of course more than I paid.

To be honest I paid the $300.00 difference because the original $600.00 each we paid for the puppies was a deal and even $900.00 was not too bad. I just did not being lied to or treated they was I was by her rude e-mails and correspondence.

Once I FINALLY got the puppy I was satisfied, but never received any papers from Amy, even after NUMEROUS requests and then finding out her e-mail was no longer accurate, the website was down and her home number was changed. My mother has spend several thousands of dollar on issues surrounding her two puppies and I too have spent a little over $1000.00 on shots, visits, etc. regarding things that either could have been prevented by Amy or were just neglected during her care.

In a nut shell I felt it only right to share my story too, not to start another debate or back and forth rebuttal, but to let others know we had problems too with three puppies, two from the same litter and one from another litter and other breeder through Amy.

I also had a friend who purchased a puppy from Amy at the same time my mother received her two and this puppy has had several health issues as well due to neglect. She has not received her papers either.

Case in point: Be careful of Amy!

karla, you care correct the original report does stand, you had a puppy that was diagnosed and eventually died from Parvo. I know that and yes I know the vaccines "Mikey" had. I never disputted that in any way. Instead what I did was provide my proof and negative reports ,etc, that was presented to the State.

For here in my state, the Vet is required to report any Parvo psositive results on a puppy from any breeder or pet store. So that is required. I simply reported all of mine as being negative. You nor I will ever really know where Mikey contracted the Virus, we did everything we could independently to prove that it was nonexistence in our home or surrounding area. We also both did everything to make sure all the puppies and adults in our care didn't contract the virus, etc..

Those are facts. there are also facts that remain that Parvo can be anywhere and contracted in ways that you would have never thought, it is VIRAL PEOPLE....VAccines no matter whether it is ONE your puppy has had or 4, doesn't make them NOT get the virus, just improves their chances of fighting it off quicker and easier! Again, karla nor I will never know where the puppy in question got the virus.

I too like Karla very very much. We have alot in common I think, and we both are very nice people if you ever take the time to talk to us you will find that out. I was hurt and still am to a certain point about this entire ordeal. It makes me hurt that people post things about other people, and leave out important facts on the matter. Even though no puppies here nor at karla's ever came down with the Virus, adn we both can prove that with factual receipts from our Vets, I agreed to help karla out and give her another puppy, she got him ,and apparently loves him. yes, I have not sent Karla the papers on him, for yes intentionally I am literally hurt by this entire thing. You live and you learn I guess in every day life.

I would recommend karla to any one wanting a Cockapoo , she has some nice looking pups. Again I hope no one reading these "threads" assumed the wrong thing about her or me for that matter. This was a horrible situation that she went through with a puppy, and I did everything I could too help her by giving her a replacement puppy, without the facts of where the puppy contracted teh Virus from. i did that becuase unlike what some people think, I am a nice person and really do care about my puppies beyond what anyone could ever realize.

I do apologise if I have offended anyone one this site or anyone reading these "threads", that was not my intentions. But coming on here to defend myself adn my puppies against people who are now complaining that there puppies grew 2 inches taller than they expected, the puppies color lightened or darken, and they don't like the color now, etc is totally ridiculous!

Yep I am giving up and moving on with this one.. I have to much else going on to worry anymore about this. You are right Amy, this is nothing more than a message board.. I "thought" when a report was made they notified the other party.. I swear it says that on here, somewhere..

Glad you told your side, but I do just have a couple of things to add.

I sent you all the stuff from the vet report and the hospital and you know that.. It was also faxed to MY vet and YOUR vet from the er hosp...

And I can physically prove that is Mikey by putting his other pic up I took 4 days before!! I had NO puppies at thatt ime, and I can also prove that!

And I don't think I ever claimed not to be a breeder, I think I said I was..Cus I said I had 2 litters due when this happened?

At the time i got Mikey I had 3 (THREE) breeding females and 2 younger dogs unable to breed, and 1 male (not counting mikey). I had a total of 9 dogs.

1 is a 3 pound yorkie, spayed, 1 is a cocker almost 6, spayed..and a 12 year old border/lab, also spayed..

Since Mikey died i added another little male from a friend who happened to have what i wanted. I added another female buff cockapoo (I had NO buffs before mikey), then she sent us the new pup the shih-poo which we named Willie. he is absolutely adorable and a very sweet puppy. BUT refuses to give me info on the parents now..She promised those to me and I have the email)...And then we added a Bichon.

I ONLY breed cockapoos, PERIOD and can prove it (like anyone cares, but for Amy)...

I have a total of 12 dogs in my HOUSE 6 of them are not at breeding age, 3 of them I do not breed, they are spayed! So that leaves 3 breeding dogs (THREE).. I have been breeding cockapoos for 4 years. 2-3 litters a year, go look cockapoos.us

I have no kennel, nothing wrong with it if I did either..I live on a residential rural area and I have neighbors on all sides of me and we live on 1/3 acre.. Now, you tell me if you think I could away with have a kennel and 15-20 breeding dogs?

Every picture you see of my dogs is inside my house running around.. oops, no there are some taken out in our back yard and deck.

Amy you KNOW that was mikey.. that was just not kewl to say.. And you know I didn't get parvo here because all my dogs were UTD..you also know Mikey was give only 1 vaccine at 9 weeks the day before you shipped him. That IS A FACT and provable.

You should know that while a vaccine can give a false poss. it cannot give a puppy parvo! This was NOT a false poss. because he was already very sick when they tested him for it. He was showing signs on day 4.

IF that had already been on my property the other pups I have had would of gotten it. The reason why no other pups have gotten it is number 1, Thank GOD! But Mikey was not on the gras except for a few times and he was not on it more than once when he first showed signs and that was bleached.

We also had several days of heavy rain, that can wash it away. And then we had a heat wave with killed everything. These are the best things to get the parvo away quicker.

AND the last pups i have brought in my house have had been vaccinated with NEOPAR and then an all in 1. So all pups had at least 2 vaccinations. So to me that proves doing 2 before 8 weeks is smart and works, and Neopar is DA BOM..lol

I just want to say ONE LAST thing.. I do like Amy and what i said to her in private email I meant and still do. I want to be friends, but it's beyond that.

She came through for me in the end and to me THAT is what counts and I tried to say that before..

I tried to delete this report, do you know they wont let you? That is NO ok IMO and really makes me mad.. However, I still stand behin the main report because it is what happened, whether she wants to admit it or not

I have posted my remarks to the other comments made on here regarding me. First let me begin by saying, if you donot know the entire story, then you are wrong to make an assumption as to what was right or wrong in any of the situations that was listed on this Board about me.

For that is what this is, nothing but a "chat" board, being fueled by a couple of angry customers of mine. One of the Cutomers, Mrs. Pamela, from athens Georgia, is a breeder of Huskies and maltese, you want too talk about filth, please go to her house or better yet, contact me and I will send you filthy pictures of her place and the condition her dogs are kept in. Yes, she did purchase a puppy from me, a MALTESE/SHIHTZU female, had it vet checked the following day, all was well, had it vet checked three days later, and was given antobiotics for a redden throat. Then three weeks later, she informs me that the puppy is sick, elects to euthanize the puppy and I pay for the autopsy. I agree to give her a replacement puppy at that time. The report comes back states cause of death as being E COLI INFECTION. I contacted her TWO vets, my TWO vets, the STATE VET, and all informed me of the incubation period of the E COLI. I informed her that I would NOT be replacing her puppy afterall.

She sued me, went to court,and LOST, again, this is a fellow breeder as well. And to make the matter even more interesting, Mrs. Pamela, couldn't even prove the puppy in question that she had euthanized was the puppy she got from me for all of the vet records on that puppy stated the puppy was a MALTESE, not a MALTESE/SHIHTZU. And please remember that she is/was a breeder of Maltese and Huskie dogs, but yet I was the bad one in that matter?

Moving on to Mrs. Karla on this site, she is a breeder of Cockapoo's . She has just as many dogs in her home and surrounding area as I do. yes she did purchase a male puppy from me, that was shipped in a small crate for a 7 hour flight, was feed that morning, and she wants to make a claim on her that the puppy smelled and the crate was awful, I bet it was.

Moving forward, the puppy she got from me, she informs me that he was diagnosed with PARVo from her vet. i contact my state departmentof agriculture and inform them of this matter Immediatelya dn ask what I should do. I immediately take in EVERY SINGLE dog I have to the vet for testing, they all were NEGATIVE....I re-test them in 2 weeks, NEGATIVE again......i met with the inspector from the department of agriculture twice, gave the vet test results, she speaks with the vet , looks at my house, my dogs and makes a report.

Karla has other dogs and puppies in her home in the area where this diagnosed puppy was and has been. Now again, the puppy had PARVO, VIRUL.... will spread and dogs will catch it and puppies as well even if they have been vaccinated against it.... vaccinations just gives the puppies and dogs a better immunity or more antibioties to help fight the virus off. Now the point being, that Karla informs me that NONE of her dogs get this VIrus, which I am glad, but couldn't understand it nor could the state inspector here.

I agree to give karla a replacement puppy, sure I do. I inform her the next litter will not take place untilt he end of summer and she agrees to wait. I make a move, three freaking miles up the road, anyway, the website was down, I can provide proof of this as well from my hosting company for anyone reading this. She does email me, and I inform her when the litter is born, after that she elects to take an alternate puppy due to the fact that she wants to use him for breeding , which I have no objection too.

Anyway, I had no idea that this thread on this chat Board was being done about me. When I find this out, I am really upset for the remarks made on her about me. First of all, if you do not know me, do NOT judge me........ If you are a visitor to this site and reading the Post on here, you are only getting on side of the story and making your assumption based on that alone. I am truly sorry that mrs. karla had a puppy that died from PARVO, I honestly am, I sent her a replacement puppy, even though i never got any paperwork from her Vet on the puppy in question, never got confirmation that it was the actual puppy that she got from me and not one of her own, since she was and is a breeder of this breed. I never even questioned it at all, instead I sympathized with her and immediatley offerred her a replacement, even though it was NEVER proven the PARVO was at my home or place, and again the testing was done, I have the bills and receipts to prove that. I shipped her the replacement puppy, and it is healthy, and guess what people reading this, IF you have PARVO on your place/surrounding area, it LIVES FOR YEARS AND YEARS.....so all I have to say is that if Mrs. karla had the PARVO puppy at her home and place, then why would she even accept another young puppy to bring into a place that had parvo there????

But you know what I like karla, I really do, not only as a person, but as a breeder as well. And I am honestly sorry that things have turned out the way that they have between her and I. If I could go back and change some things that was said or how they were handle, I would , but I cannot. Both puppies she got from me was seen by the same vet, issued health certificates, and received the same brand of vaccinations with the exception of the Neopar Vaccine the second puppy did receive. Did anyone reading this original thread with any sense even ask or think that maybe the first puppy karla got from me could have contracted the Parvo from the Vaccine itself? Sure it could have, chances are low, but the chance is there. DID anyone also think that the puppy could have contracted the Parvo Virus from anyone handeling the crate at the airport? It is VIRAL
What about this, did any of you people think that the puppy could have contracted PARVO at either one of the Vet's office, my vet or Karla's Vet? It could happen adn I am sure it has happend.....it the vet tech's do not sterilize the table in between clients bringing puppies in, they could shed teh virus there, what about the vet personelle, what about hand washing technique? What if they handled a puppy with Parvo, and did not wash or sanitize their hands, and then picked up the puppy in question, could they not transfer the Virus that way to that puppy? Sure it could.

No one reading any of these threads made those comments and yes, even though the chances are slim, they are still chances and with the negative Parvo results on every one of my puppies and dogs, it made me wonder if the puppy didn't contract the Virus somewhere like one of those instances listed above. Again, I am so sorry that karla went through a Puppy with parvo, but it happened, and I did what I could do at the time to help, I offerred a replacement puppy adn she accepted.

Also, yes the airline was notified that a puppy that was shipped through their confinement was later diagnosed with the Parvo Virus, I notified them as I asked the State to do so as well in their investigation into the matter. I welcome anyone anytime into my home to visit with me and my dogs, expected or unexpected, it doesn;t matter to me. I take good care of my dogs and my children. And if you do not know me, please do not make comments regarding me or my ability to take care of my children or dogs, as one person do so on this site.

Also someone made the comment that their pup they bought from me is fine though at the original time of purcahse the pup had blood in the stool, but yet didn't list the cause of that nor did that person ever contact me regarding that finding or anything.If they had, I would have been glad to commensate them for the medicine they needed for their puppy. Though the blood in the stool could have been caused by "straining" to poop, parasites---aka "worms", which all pups are born with, or stress actually. Either way I would have gladly listened and help that person in any way that I could have. Moving forward again, the person stated also that her puppy ate her poop, which her words was probably fromme STARVING the puppy to death.

Nothing in my home is starving to say the least....I feed Science Diet and Eukanuba Small Breed Formula, and it cost me 47.99 per bag for my doggies.....as far as you pup eating poop, some pups do, especially if the diet is "meat based", I know alot of Breeders who have told me about the Pomeranian Breed eating their poop, don't know if it's true or not. But eating poop doesn't come from the dog or puppy starving, alot of times, it is from the lacking of a vitamin, like some vets will tell you. But better yet, i would like to have seen that lady's vet records taht stated the puppy was underweight/underfeed, thin, poorly taken care of at the time she bought her from me.....but you know what, that never happen, and you can't tell me from the freaking post on here about me, that if a vet had told her that , that she would not have contacted me!

So please people reading this and the other threads, assume what you want to assume, but do not judge me for you do not know me. Yes, I have been late on getting registration papers out to various buyers, but I have gotten them mailed out, it just took me longer than expected, yes, again, my fault for whatever reason......... I do not take blame for people complaining that their dog grew 2 inches taller than expected or now as an adult weighs 4 pounds heavier than expected, That is mother nature.

I have offered genetic testing for anyone purchasing any puppies from me that service free of charge.... I also do not take responsibility for someone's puppy three weeks after it was sold, coming down with an infection that was and could not be traced back down to me or genetic abnormality in breeding lineage of the puppy. However, I have also taken responsibility for any puppy not being completely healthy in any way once it leaves my home within a certain time frame.

Again, karla I am honetsly sorry that things have gotten way out of hand like they have between us and I do wish you well in your breeding of Cockapoo's.

Anyone wishing to get both sides of the story before forming an opinion about me can be contacting me at my email. i will be gald to tlak to anyone, and give you the state inspectors name and number and other vet information that you would like to have about me. Anyone who simply chooses to read these threads and assume the negative about me, you are better here on the site than me meeting you in person or over the phone or through email. For your judgement on me without speaking to me or getting to know me, you will have to be judged for that and I hope that you sleep well. I am not a bad person. And all I can say is that certain people on this site, need to speak to an attorney before continueing their posts on here....

S.n.
If you read the rest of my long report I did say I report her. To the USDA, attorney general, Humane society, and talked to her vet. I also informed the airlines he was shipped through.

I have to disagree though, there is nothing wrong with buying over the internet as long as you take the proper steps, and check references, including their vet. I KNEW this but did not follow through with other avenues and THAT is MY mistake.. My only mistake.

I have sold several pups through the "internet" and I have bought several. SOmetimes it is not possible to go to a breeders home if there are none in your state. Most people have good experiences.

The internet is a tool. But people should not depend on the fact the seller is nice, has pretty pictures on her/his site etc.

This was a first for me to go wrong, and I have to blame myself for part of that because I did not check references! Normally I do, unfortunately I screwed up. But i refuse to keep kicking myself for it. I learned a lesson the hard way!

Thank you for your comments.

Good grief. This person sold a sick puppy and no one reported it to any of the authorities? The dog was shipped to you? Was it reported to the airline that the puppy was sick? It crossed several states, obviously, to get to you. Did you contact USDA to find out where you should report? Did you try to find out who this "breeder" uses as a vet or if she even has a vet?

As for the biting dog. No matter what the breed, take the dog (and the humans involved) to a trainer. Do not allow the dog to "play bite" even an adult because you are encouraging aggression. Your children should be as smart (if not smarter) than the dog and you should be the alpha in your household and be in control of the children and the dog.

I have said it before and I will say it again, NEVER purchase a dog over the Internet. NEVER purchase a dog when you can't see where they are being kept, BOTH parents of the dog, get references and contact those references. Research the type of dog you are going to get BEFORE you bring it home and make sure it will fit in well in your household. Be willing to spend the time and/or money to have the dog properly trained.

You will save yourself (and the poor canine) a lot of heartache by doing your homework first.

Good grief. This person sold a sick puppy and no one reported it to any of the authorities? The dog was shipped to you? Was it reported to the airline that the puppy was sick? It crossed several states, obviously, to get to you. Did you contact USDA to find out where you should report? Did you try to find out who this "breeder" uses as a vet or if she even has a vet?

As for the biting dog. No matter what the breed, take the dog (and the humans involved) to a trainer. Do not allow the dog to "play bite" even an adult because you are encouraging aggression. Your children should be as smart (if not smarter) than the dog and you should be the alpha in your household and be in control of the children and the dog.

I have said it before and I will say it again, NEVER purchase a dog over the Internet. NEVER purchase a dog when you can't see where they are being kept, BOTH parents of the dog, get references and contact those references. Research the type of dog you are going to get BEFORE you bring it home and make sure it will fit in well in your household. Be willing to spend the time and/or money to have the dog properly trained.

You will save yourself (and the poor canine) a lot of heartache by doing your homework first.

Good grief. This person sold a sick puppy and no one reported it to any of the authorities? The dog was shipped to you? Was it reported to the airline that the puppy was sick? It crossed several states, obviously, to get to you. Did you contact USDA to find out where you should report? Did you try to find out who this "breeder" uses as a vet or if she even has a vet?

As for the biting dog. No matter what the breed, take the dog (and the humans involved) to a trainer. Do not allow the dog to "play bite" even an adult because you are encouraging aggression. Your children should be as smart (if not smarter) than the dog and you should be the alpha in your household and be in control of the children and the dog.

I have said it before and I will say it again, NEVER purchase a dog over the Internet. NEVER purchase a dog when you can't see where they are being kept, BOTH parents of the dog, get references and contact those references. Research the type of dog you are going to get BEFORE you bring it home and make sure it will fit in well in your household. Be willing to spend the time and/or money to have the dog properly trained.

You will save yourself (and the poor canine) a lot of heartache by doing your homework first.

Good grief. This person sold a sick puppy and no one reported it to any of the authorities? The dog was shipped to you? Was it reported to the airline that the puppy was sick? It crossed several states, obviously, to get to you. Did you contact USDA to find out where you should report? Did you try to find out who this "breeder" uses as a vet or if she even has a vet?

As for the biting dog. No matter what the breed, take the dog (and the humans involved) to a trainer. Do not allow the dog to "play bite" even an adult because you are encouraging aggression. Your children should be as smart (if not smarter) than the dog and you should be the alpha in your household and be in control of the children and the dog.

I have said it before and I will say it again, NEVER purchase a dog over the Internet. NEVER purchase a dog when you can't see where they are being kept, BOTH parents of the dog, get references and contact those references. Research the type of dog you are going to get BEFORE you bring it home and make sure it will fit in well in your household. Be willing to spend the time and/or money to have the dog properly trained.

You will save yourself (and the poor canine) a lot of heartache by doing your homework first.

Your assertion that I was "blaming the victim" in this case is incorrect. I never once blamed you for what happened to your first puppy. You did everything that you could and that is commendable. What I did do was hold you accountable for backing down from your original position when you recieved your replacement pup, two very different things.

I won't say "I told you so", I'm not that petty. I do hope that other people will read this report and decide for themselves that it's not worth the heartache and trouble that buying from this person can cause.

Re-hash I mean.. Seems no matter where you go in this world people are always willing to blame the victim! Thanks to a certain person who posted here she found out about this site and my post.

So I am sure you can say I told ya so "P" now because now she is now refusing to provide me with the papers on the pup.

But that just proves what everyone is saying about her and how she can turn on a dime. I am done with it, and this site. I will be selling the puppy, of course for half it's worth without papers..

Karla,

You're correct, it was your choice to take another pup, I wasn't disputing that. I was making the point that after everything you went through with your other puppy, you chose to take another puppy from this breeder. You say you see no reason to get a replacement but you know the conditions that your first pup came from, you know how Amy treats her customers, you were planning to file a lawsuit against her and worst of all, you just watched your last puppy from her die a horrible, painful death from a PREVENTABLE disease.

If it were me in that situation, I would certainly have reason to believe that any other puppy that I got from her would probably have some sort of genetic problem/disease as well. Those would seem to be good enough reasons to not take the replacement pup but when she offered you one, you backed down.

As for her not putting out more puppies because you took one, you're wrong - she has to replace that lost money somehow, doesn't she? And because you backed down, she will continue to breed and house her dogs in the same conditions that caused you and others all those problems. Why should she change if people are willing to take her puppies even after she treats them and the puppies so badly?

Regarding Anne's puppy, I never said her puppy was poorly bred, I said "A poorly bred cockapoo is just as likely to bite as any other dog." in reference to your assertion that "Cockapoos are one of the best dogs for children."

But as always, this is just my opinion, you can take it for what you think it's worth.

P.Why would I take another pup from her? Why not? She agreed to replace my puppy with another. Yes it was a chance I took, then that is my choice to do so correct? It does not make her put out more puppies, she lost money here too. Not as much as me, but still she did. Fact, thats all that is.

If I can get a replacement I see no reason not to do it.

You're correct ANY poorly bred animal can bite. But we weren't saying he was poorly bred, nor would I say that. However that is a moot point anyhow after Anne posted.

Anne, play biting is normal, WHEW! And you sound like you are handling it really well and letting your kids know what is and isn't allowed, and sticking to it, all should be just fine! :-)

Karla,
Thanks. I found the website and emailed Amy.

Zoe bit my daughter but it was not a ferocious bite. My daughter was playing and running from her and she jumped up and bit her on the booty.
Her biting is playing not aggressive but still biting nonetheless. I am trying to teach my kids not to play with her like that so she won't get so excited. If she bites them in a ferocious way , she is out of here!

We love her so much and I hope we can keep her, she is doing so much better and even getting an idea about the potty training.

Thanks and good luck with your new puppy!

Karla,

Regarding your advice about cockapoos:

A poorly bred cockapoo is just as likely to bite as any other dog. Their genetic makeup goes back to two breeds that have been known to be "nippy" as you put it - the cocker spaniel and the poodle.

And I'm sorry but I really don't understand why you would take ANOTHER puppy from this breeder when you went through such hell the first time. What will you do if this pup gets sick or dies -request another replacement?

Sometimes it's just better to cut your losses and leave it behind. Basically, you just gave this breeder more of a reason to continue breeding sick dogs.

I recently did get a replacement puppy from Amy. I decided I wanted a different breed from her and she agreed, and shipped him to me the next day. so far, so good. he is a nice pup, very sweet and seems healthy, her will be going to the vet for a check up this week.

I an sorry Anne for what happened with you. These things should just not happen.

Amy has her web site back up. She had some issues with the host she was using. But i just checked. pawsitivelyperfectpets.net

Unfortunately none of us will ever get vet fee's refunded, even if we went to court she has her contract to back her up.

Anne, about your dog bitting, if a dog ever bit my child I would have it put to sleep.. period! Poodles are NOT good dogs for children. They can be very nippy.

Cockapoos are one of the best dogs for children. if it were me I would remove the dog from the home and replace it with something like a cockapoo. They do extremely well with kids. Your children will be upset, but they will be fine and understand when they need to. And they will be thrilled with another puppy too.

Karla,
I also purchased a puppy from Amy. I found this just now when I tried to email her and see where Zoe's papers are. Her email and web site are gone!

My puppy arrived to me dirty, full of parasites and with bloody diarrhea. $500 later she was worm free.

I also found out she was not the dog I chose. I wanted a red TOY poodle. She is apricot, with cream and she is getting HUGE! I found out she was not the dog I picked out . Amy brought 2 puppies to my mom(she lives in Mville) and my mother picked out the red one. I got this dog and compared to the pictures my mom took and it's not the same puppy!! I'm not sure she is 100% Poodle either.

We do not have the papers either and no way to get in touch with her unless my mom goes out there, but if she is unstable I really don't want her to do that. I have kept all emails and vet bills(thank goodness). Amy needs to be shut down!

We love our dog. She is quite a character and healthy now but, she bites. I wanted to get rid of her after she bit my 3 year old but they all cried and begged so she is still here. I have 3 kids and we all have been working with her. She is very smart and understands now not to bite.

I'm so sorry to hear all these horrible things about the lady that i bought the most important thing in the world to me from! Both my mom and I bought Maltese puppies from Amy's litter that was born last February. For the most part i didn't have any problems with Amy. She did kind of give me a hastle after the litter was born, however. Almost 2 months in advance ( before the litter was born ) i requested a girl. Well, there was only one girl in the litter. She offered me a boy at a discount price but i said i was willing to pay anything for the girl... that went on for a good week or so. I think i do remember her delaying on some responce e-mails because of "family problems" and "vacations". Well, a year and a 1/2 later my mom and i still have our babies. When we got them they had blood in their poop, quite a few different types of worms, and ate their poop ( probably from being starved their first couple weeks at Amys so they would stay small )... but other than that they are beautiful and healthy. I'm so sorry to hear about these horrible experiences. I actually came across this website in attempt to find Amy again to buy another puppy from her... not so much anymore! I am, however, greatful to her for my dog, Jolie.

HI, I ALSO PURCHASED A DOG FROM AMY VEAL. AND IF YOU INDEED GO TO COURT LET ME KNOW. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS EVIL WOMAN GET WHAT SHE DESERVES. I ALSO PURCHASED A SICK PUPPY FROM HER AND HAD OVER 600.00 IN VET BILLS AND STILL THE PUPPY DIED. SHE IS NO GOOD. I WOULD NEVER GIVE HER A GOOD REFERENCE. AND I AM POSTING ON EVERY WEBSITE I CAN ABOUT HER WONDERFUL KENNEL. THANKS

Thank you for the e-mail, Karla. The pawsitively perfect pet website was down when I found this website - as was Black Creek Farm. Those were the two I knew of, and when I couldn't find them, I did a google search and found your post here. They were down before we talked.

I do hope your situation gets resolved - it is really so sad.

Well I see Amy has taken down her web site again.. But hey, maybe she is having tech. problems with her site... Funny how that happened right after we talked.. But who knows. I haven't heard from her since (been a week) either..

If you really want to find her just email pawsitivelyperfectpets@yahoo

Hi Karla,

I cannot locate Amy's website - could you post it? Both the ones I had are not running.

Thank you.

Hi Karla,

I'm the person who had a good experience with Amy. I have to say, I had recommended her to someone else in our area, and they, too, had a great experience with her. Their pup is about 8 months old.

I cannot imagine watching a pup die from any illness...I believe small claims court is just a filing fee as attorney's aren't allowed to reperesent you (Judge Judy is small claims court). With the amount of bills you incurred, I would look into it.

My experience was great - but I think you should be reimbursed for those expenses. I don't believe I ever received the medical guarantee so I'm uncertain what the requirements were.

I do wish you the best.

I recently found Amy again, she finally updated her web site and added her new email address. She says that she will replace my puppy, I hope she does, and if she does I will report that here as well.

I spoke with an attorney who says I have a case and that if she does not come through we will file in small claims court in GA. This will cost me more than the 850.00 the puppy cost but at this point it is beyond a financial issue even though I am in debt over $3,000.00 for vet bills and the price of the puppy

I could of accepted all of this if she had not treated me so poorly.. I am glad the person above had a good experience, you are lucky because watching a pup die from parvo is horrid..And VERY expensive.

I also bought a cockapoo from her, no other pup.

This is a horrible experience you had. I'm so very sorry to hear about it.

I did not have a bad experience with Amy - actually, it was very positive. There are some similarities - e-mail responses slowed down once the puppy was purchased, shipping date changed once - by only 2 days, puppy arrived in need of a bath, paperwork was not shipped with him.

Otherwise, he arrived very healthy, was exceptionally easy to housebreak, is sleeping by my side at this moment (one year later)and has added a lot of energy and love to an already energetic and loving home.

I have no idea what a Cocese puppy is... cocker spaniel and maltese?? All I know is that I bought a cockapoo - buff. He looked exactly like your Mikey. I can see why you fell in love with him.

My experience with Amy was so good that the only reason I came across your post was because I was googling to find Amy as I couldn't find her websites and her e-mail was bouncing back. I'm very sad to hear of your tragic experience. My experience was much different.