Bobby Richardson -Impact Ministry Offer a $10,000 sham reward for money that he never provides proof that he has. ripoff Internet

Bobby G. Richardson contact information:
P.O. Box 377, Bogue Chitto, MS 39629
601-833-3223 or 601-695-8173
email acts2@impact-ministry.com


Even though I am the subject of this ripoffreport.com web site, I don't drop in very often ....

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/218/ripoff0218635.htm

But, on July 15, 2009 I did drop in, and was surprised to find Bro. Burch's "clarification" regarding my reward. While he is certainly entitled to his opinion, I prefer to clarify what I have said, myself, instead of having someone with a different position doing the clarifying for me.

I have been very actively and aggressively embracing, promoting and defending the Apostles One God Monotheistic Doctrine for over 20 years (over 10 years on the Internet). And, based on these years of acquired knowledge and past experience, it is my firm position that verbal dialogue with someone with an adversarial position ... with or without time constraints ... OR on a moderated Internet discussion board, can be exceedingly frustrating to say the least. Also, although a pretty fast typist, not being able to type fast enough to respond in live Internet chat rooms to different people with adversarial positions is also exceeding frustrating experience. Therefore, for these many years, I have found it best to "put it in writing" ... or email ... dialogue. Not only that, but I maintain the files of the discussions and dialogues from years ago. In so doing, everything is preserved, and remains intact. No one can deny having said something, nor sweep something underneath the rug, or change it, edit it, or "moderate" it off of a discussion board, to sway the dialogue in their favor.

I do have a web page called "50 Reasons why the Bible doesn't mention TRINITY or refer to God as PERSONS." It can be found here: http://www.impact-ministry.com/acts2/trinity.html

Furthermore, it is my understanding that the major distinctions in the Godhead is flesh and Spirit ... NOT "persons" as you and I are different "persons". God is a Spirit ... ONE SPIRIT. However, not one place in the KJV Text of the Holy Bible does it refer to God or the Godhead as "persons", as the trinitarian theory is very clearly defined and very adamantly defended ... which, by the way, neither you nor I have the luxury nor the authority to "re-define" the trinity, or come up with a hybrid variation. The "trinity" has been very clearly defined by the church of Rome ... where it originated a couple centuries AFTER Christ. Whereas, the Apostles' One God Monotheistic Doctrine originated in Jerusalem at the inauguration of the "original" New Testament Church on the Day of Pentecost in Acts Chapter 2. At any rate, God has manifested Himself as the Father in Creation, as the Son in Redemption, and as the Holy Spirit living in the hearts of born again believers throughout the New Testament Church Age. And I just don't find any place in the Bible where anyone ever referred to the ONE TRUE God as "persons", as multitudes do today. I embrace the concept of three forms of God ... three manifestations of God ... three offices of God ... three positions of God ... three roles of God. Now, if it is a matter of semantics, then dropping the unbiblical descriptive term of "persons" (that evolved centuries AFTER Christ) in reference to God, should bring true monotheists into the unity of the faith concerning this matter. However, it is my position that those who insist on using the "persons" designation in their description of God, are treading on some very dangerous territory. There is a TREMENDOUS difference in "THREE PERSONS" of God, and that of THREE POSITIONS, OFFICES OR MANIFESTATIONS of God. The distinctions in the Godhead is FLESH and SPIRIT - not THREE separate and distinct PERSONS! God is a SPIRIT (John 4:24) and a spirit hath not flesh and bones (Luke 24:39). God is the WORD (John 1:1) and the WORD was made flesh (John 1:14). God was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16). It was NOT the body of Jesus Christ that was Deity, but rather the Spirit of Almighty God that dwelled in that sinless body (John 14:10). As man, Jesus knew pain, hunger, thirst, etc. As God, Jesus forgave sins, healed the sick, performed miracles, walked on the water, raised the dead, etc. Because of this "DUAL NATURE" of Jesus Christ, there were times when the human side (flesh) spoke, and there were times when the Divine side (Spirit) spoke. The THREE PERSONS THEORY has been so well indoctrinated that hardly anyone questions it! I am a father, I am a son and I am a husband, but none of these TITLES is my name! These are TITLES of the different positions (offices) that I occupy, YET I am ONE PERSON. The THREE PERSON DOCTRINE is a product of man - PERIOD, END OF ISSUE! I have absolutely NO malice or animosity in my heart towards trinitarian people. As a matter of fact, most of my blood relatives are trinitarians, and I love 'em all very dearly. However, I know the TRUTH shall remain standing when everything else has fallen. Be that as it may, some "die hard" trinitarians VICIOUSLY attack me because I dare question their THEORY of the Godhead and point out its many SERIOUS flaws. And some Jews attack me because they refuse to accept Jesus as their Messiah. Every once in a while, though, I run across a person who is really a "TRUTH SEEKER," who isn't afraid of TRUTH in its entirety, and are man enough or woman enough to admit error when the Bible does not agree with their theology. Then they very willingly make the necessary adjustments and get over it and get on with it! It really isn't hard to PROVE where the trinitarians' doctrine originated, when it originated and by whom it originated. Even though most of them will insist that it came straight from the Bible. **IF** there was a trinity or **IF** God was THREE separate and distinct co-equal, co-eternal and co-existent PERSONS as the trinitarians insist, certainly the Bible ought to say so some place. But it doesn't! Since the Bible does NOT give any SPECIFIC authority for such a belief, MILLIONS are told it is a "MYSTERY" which they must accept by faith, because it cannot be explained or understood. You may accept that. I once did myself, but there came a time in my life when I had to find answers to my many questions about the trinity, and I was not afraid of what I would learn when I began to search it out! If you have a Strong's exhaustive concordance and look at every scripture in the New Testament which mentions the words "mystery" or "mysteries" ... as I did ... you will discover that, that excuse can NOT be used to explain why the trinity can't be adequately explained or fully understood from a Scriptural standpoint. No, it has to be explained by someone highly educated (which Peter, James and John certainly were NOT) using all sorts of big words and slide ruler explanations (which gets so convoluted that you don't know if you're afoot or horse back), but even then, after all of that, it has to be understood and accepted by faith, NOT from a purely Scriptural standpoint. And, the time came when I just decided to search things out for myself. I put aside all of my preconceived ideas, theories, traditions AND indoctrination and went into the Word of God with my heart as open as the lot gate. And, God started revealing things to me that I had never thought of, let alone heard of in all my years.

English was my worst subject in school, but I do remember a few things. For illustration purposes only, it is not proper to link the singular pronoun "He", which refers to one "person", to verbs like: "see", "hear" and "warn" ... which would look like this ... "He see", "He hear" and "He warn". When using the singular pronoun "He", it is necessary to use the verbs "sees", "hears" and "warns" ... "He SEES", "He HEARS" and "He WARNS". In order to use the verbs "see", "hear" and "warn", you must use a noun or pronoun which is "plural" and identifies "more" than one person like, "People" ... "People see", "People hear" and "People warn". Yet, intelligent people who know this rule, but who have been indoctrinated to believe that there are three "persons" of God, ignore this rule when it comes to the word "GOD" (the Hebrew word Elohim).


**IF** the word "GOD" (Elohim) identifies more than one "person", as the trinitarians insist, the Bible should read like this, "God SEE", "God HEAR" and "God WARN" ... AND IT DOESN'T! The word "GOD" is never linked to a verb like that. Instead, the word "GOD" is ALWAYS linked to verbs just as the word "He" (a singular person) is ... like this, "God SEES", "God HEARS" and "God WARNS". Again, I use these particular words for illustration purposes only, but I hope I have made my point ... and that it's CLEAR.

With all of this said, the following is the entire email dialogue I had with Bro. Burch, between August 6, 2006 and August 25, 2006, and my last contact from him on March 10, 2007.

The following is lengthy. And, except for some dialogue and other information with Bro. Burch which is either not germane to this subject or his post on RipOffReport.Com regarding his clarification of my reward ... everything is else is included (below). With all of this said, I'll report. You decide. The facts will speak for themselves. Thanks ... and God bless! Bobby


Bro. Burch Sunday, August 06, 2006 : Mr. Richardson, I am a former 700 Club phone counselor. In the early 80's, I recall receiving a circulation detailing Stalin's plan to take America without a shot. This documentation spurred me to become actively involved in politics. I became a Republican delegate in '84 and '88. The proposition of communist infiltration from the pulpit infuriates me even now. I have long since moved away from Minneapolis, but I still wish to be a light where I feel God has led me. In the course of moving, I have lost the circular. I am currently engaged in news discussions on the internet and wish to document this plan with the facts. I am searching for information on the web that outlined Stalin's plan in detail. Your website is the first I've come across that mentions indoctrination. Would you please share any sources you may have with me regarding the subject? God Bless!


Bobby: Praise the Lord, Bro. Burch! While I must confess that I haven't read the book, myself, there does appear to be some good reference material to what you are looking for in the following book ...


Conquest without War: An Analytical Anthology of the Speeches, Interviews, and Remarks of Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev with Commentary by Lenin, Stalin, and others. Contributors: Jacques Katel - editor, Jacques Katel - compiler, Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev - author, N. H. Mager - editor, N. H. Mager - compiler. Publisher: Simon and Schuster. Place of Publication: New York. Publication Year: 1961.


Here's a link to it ...


http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=7880167


I hope this helps. If you are interested in receiving (via blind carbon copy .. to protect your privacy) copies of the Bible discussions/debates that I am involved in from time to time, and/or to study with me, just let me know and I will add you to my growing email list of "observers". I only know a few of these folks personally. Therefore, unless they choose to tell me, I have no way of knowing who a person is, where a person is, or what a person's religious beliefs are, as I don't ask. However, I am NOT in this for any other reason than to promote the Apostles' One God Monotheistic Doctrine as preached, practiced, taught and embraced by the "footprint followers" of Jesus Christ ... and the "original" New Testament Church leaders of the First Century. By the way, you don't have to just be an "observer", who only reads the email Bible discussions/debates that I am involved with from time to time. You are invited, even encouraged, to ask questions, make comments, critique, criticize or what have you. After I remove the email address and other personal information, that would compromise the privacy of the person I am corresponding with, I email it to myself and blind carbon copy it to those on my email list ... which also protects everyone else's privacy too. Also, if you would like to receive some of my latest emails let me know and I'll forward the communications to you.

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Bro. Burch: Dear Brother Bobby, Please call me Charlie B. Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my request. You and I seem to have much in common. Yes, I would like you to keep my email address: xxxxxxxxxx. Or, you may also reach me at xxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Mxxxxx is my fiance' and I use her computer now and then. Her user ID pops up and I've yet to figure out a way to get around it, save buy my own laptop.

You may have heard of the Sons of Thunder christian motorcycle ministry. I was a prospect with them in '93 and was involved in producing christian music videos at the time. I also play guitar myself, though somewhat rusty now. I was saved while in the hospital in Ukiah, CA on Christmas day, 1976. I have been studying Scripture ever since and church history in the last few years.

I grew up in a conservative xxxxxxxx church in xxxxxxxxxx, MN. Being a typical product of a broken home, I was "Hell on wheels" as a teen, considered myself an agnostic in my early 20's, was into the drug scene & rock and roll, and nearly died in a car wreck before the age of 22. My wife, xxxxxxxxx, divorced me after I met the Lord in the hospital. She thought I went off the deep end and married someone else. I moved to xxxxxxxxxx, TX after that so I could get to know my father, who just got out of a mental hospital. I went to an xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx church in xxxxxxxxx and work at xxxxxxxxxxx assembling airline seats. After a few years, xxxxxx employees went on strike and I could not abide the union violence. I had a falling out with my father, who still exhibited mental illness, and moved back to xxxxxxxxx were I grew up.

I got involved with the 700 Club in '83 and trained as a phone counselor. The training helped straighten out my own personal problems. I married a christian woman, got involved with a non-denominational church, and lived a blessed life until my wife, xxxxxxx, divorced me because I would not consent to buying her brothers old house. I thought it a better idea to buy a house in the xxxxxxxx area where we worked and went to church, but no. She since remarried and moved out of state with my 2 young children. I was devastated but tried to stay working and involved in ministry. God was not finished shaking my world and I watched my job and video ministry fail.

Since '94, I have been working hard driving truck around the 48 states. I was an owner/operator from '98 to '02. I lost my truck and found myself deep in debt with back taxes as a result of the 2000 recession and the management's desire to build his business during that time. Now, at the age of 51, I am at a crossroad. Do I continue to drive truck and let my health suffer or do I take a leap of faith, stay home and take my life back from the endless road is the question. I choose to serve God and decided that staying home, working a home based business seems to be what He is leading me to do.

I praise God for input! You have given me more than I asked for. You gave me what I needed. I will be happy to swap e-mails with you in the future and I will surely study the Word regarding your doctrinal discovery. Keep in mind that I have been though the "Charismatic Movement" and have seen winds of doctrine come and go. I do still bear the gifts of the Holy Spirit and will apply discernment always. I guess, theologically, you can call me a "funny duck" because I still consider some of my xxxxxxxxx theology to be valid, have visited many different denominational churches, and have worked side by side in unity with charismatic xxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxx, etc. I guess, as a former Boy Scout, being trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent is still my foundation along with the Word. Without His love, we are nothing.

I love you brother! Please keep me in prayer as I will you. Please stay in touch as I will you. Thanks again and may God richly bless you and yours!


Bobby: Bro. Charlie B., I believe we do share some common ground. And, I have total confidence that God will lead you into the path He wants you to travel. It was less than a year from my mile marker seven experience on Dec. 10, 1985 that I moved my family to Florida, and started all over again. By the way, that is not to say that God will have you actually move anywhere. But, in my case, the 15 years in Florida very much helped to establish me ... and to make my calling and election sure. I learned a lot about many things, including myself ... most of which I didn't like. While the majority of folks who are just following the crowd out there are looking for changes to begin "around" them, people like you and I understand a little known fact. And, that is, true change always begins from "within", first. This is why it is so crucial for us to take a trip down to the potter's house, and allow the potter to mold us into the vessel he wants us to be. And, once that is accomplished, to we can rest assured when we do our best, He will do the rest. Please keep me posted on how things are going with you. And, I will certainly have you in my thoughts and prayers. My best advice is to be very sensitive to the leading of the Spirit of God, and submissive to His will. It is important for us to know when to stand still and when to move. If you're like me, most of my life's problems have stemmed from zigging when I should have been zagging. And, later, having the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. By the way, if you would like to take a look at our home-based business, please let me know. We would be glad to help you develop it into a full time (mobile) business, if you wanted to travel. However, travel is not necessary at all. But, it is good to know that you have that option if you want to. And, we plan to develop ours into a "mobile" business because my wife and I would like to travel some before we get too old. By the way, on Dec. 25 of this year I will turn 54. So, there's not much difference in our age. At any rate, please keep me posted on how things are going with you ... and whether or not you'd like me to add you to my email list of Bible discussions/debates observers and/or send you some information about our home-based business. Wishing you God's very best ... God bless you my brother!

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Bro. Burch: Hi Brother Bobby! Yes, I know exactly what you mean about moving in the Holy Spirit's lead. We each have our roll to play in the cosmic scheme of things. (John 21:21-22) I am a strong willed person that sometimes takes things into my own hands, even with good intentions. I need to be broken, at times, that I may truely enter into His rest. Your info was greatly needed and appreciated. I know for sure God led you to share it with me. I am not only interested in starting a home business now, I feel led to teach others to prosper. I'm trusting the Lord to help me surpass my xxxxxxx monthly budget and move on to be a lender, not a debtor, as I believe Christians are meant to be people of substance.

This area I moved to is kind of a backwater economically. The public schools here are typical xxxxxxxxx Marxist indoctrination centers. I am praying about getting a christian school started in the abandoned elementary school here in xxxxxx. My fiance' shared with me what a church in xxxxxxxxx, MO was doing. They have a ministry of starting businesses and employing church members, so no one goes without a job. Cool!

I will be out and about this week taking care of things that went neglected while I was on the road. I will respond to your e-mails as quickly as I can, however. I have a herniated disc in my lower back that is bothering me when I hit a multiple dip in the road last week. This has been a chronic affliction that gets exasperated by bouncing around in the truck. So, it's time, ready or not, to stay home and get my health back. I will study your websites when I get home tonight. God bless your day!

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Bobby: Bro. Charlie B., I'm just winding up a pretty long day. If we can be of any help in getting you going in this business we're in, just let us know. We'll be happy to send you some to sample at no charge ... just to see what kind of performance you get, yourself. We're expecting a shipment in any day. I believe the demand for our product is going to continue to grow, especially with the price of fuel continuing to climb like it is. And, if we can save the average person 20-25% off their fuel bill, that is substantial in most cases. I'll catch ya later. God bless!

Bobby PS: By the way, I'm still in contact with the former CEO of Think and Grow Rich, Inc. It was his success training material back in the 80's that was very instrumental in me making my way back to God. My initial interest and motivation was the greed to succeed ... and that of making lots of money. But, little did I know that the training was going to have a profound impact upon my life in more than just a positive mental attitude way. And, while I give God the full credit, I also feel a sense of gratitude regarding this man's influence upon my life during that time. He's sort of been in seclusion for the past 15-20 years. But, he told me the other night that he is planning on making a come back. And, wants me to be involved with it. I don't know how much time I'm willing to put into it with everything I have going on. But, I hope he does make a come back. At any rate, I truly believe in success training. The principles are found throughout the Word of God. And, I believe God's people should live a prosperous life ... balanced in the four major areas: mentally, spiritually, physically and financially.

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Bro. Burch: Hi Brother Bobby! Caught xxxxxxx downloading new software from the digital camera we just bought. I have an opportunity to buy and sell on eBay now. We have an auctioneer here in town that does auctions every other week. It's amazing, all the antiques around this area could bring in some good money, too. By the way, xxxxxxxx is not far from xxxxxxx, MN. (Little house on the prairie country) We intend to work eBay on the sidelines. Got to download the book on "Taking America without a shot." It will come in quite useful, thanks! I've yet to open the address on the business info you sent, but will do so later tonight. Yes, I will be contacting you with questions, if any. Sounds like helping people save energy will go good around here. Later, dude!


Bro. Burch: Hi Brother Bobby, I read your link concerning the fuel additive. Sounds great! xxxxxxx said she used a similar product (if not the same) back in the early 80's. She said it worked great, but her former brother-in- law told her that it would ruin her engine. She quit using it. I have heard that this stuff was tested by a consumer group and found that it didn't do a thing. I also have heard testimonies from consumers that use the product and endorse it. I personally suspect that the consumer group could have been bought off by "big oil." I have also heard many stories, over the years, of inventions being bought up and suppressed by "big oil." I personally would like to try the product myself. I usually test a product anyway before I can sell it. If I'm sold on it, it becomes easy to sell for me; just as walking around with a big smile on my face sells the Gospel when people ask me why I'm smiling all the time. I would like to place an order and try it for a month. Also, can this product be sold on eBay?

Regarding the Trinity, I hope that we can have a friendly exchange of ideas and mutually respect each others' positions. No, the Trinity cannot be found in the Word any more than the word "rapture." Since the rapture cannot be found verbatim in the Scriptures, does it mean the premise is not sound? The Trinity is alluded to in many Scriptures, including the Scriptures you are professing; such as "being of the same essence." The Bible speaks of our hearts as being our core essence, not our physical blood pumper.

After a raging discussion of centuries concerning the Godhead, a doctrine was finally emerged, known as the doctrine of the Trinity, namely: that God consists of three separate and distinct, co-equal, co-eternal, co-existent, "persons". Thus, making Jesus Christ a "junior partner", instead of Him being LORD OF ALL, as the Bible states.

I am puzzled by the way the author of this tract jumped from Jesus being co-equal in the Trinity to being a "junior partner" in the next sentence. Trinitarians do not regard Jesus as second to anyone, however, they see a distinction in the roles they play in ruling over creation. Who was the author of that tract? What denominational source published it? Could it be Seventh Day Adventist? As a Charismatic Lutheran, this is one of the theological doctrines I find to be sound theology within the Lutheran church. I disagree with the Lutherans regarding dispensation and infant baptism.

In his book, "The Great Doctrines of the Bible," William Evans states on page 28, "The doctrine of the Trinity is clearly taught in the New Testament; it is not merely intimated, as in the Old Testament, but is explicitly declared. This is evident from the following:

First: The baptism of Christ: Matt. 3: 16 & 17. Here the Father speaks from heaven; the Son is being baptized in the Jordan; and the Spirit descends in the form of a dove.

Second: In the Baptismal Formula: Matt. 28: 19- "Baptizing them in the name of the (singular) Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

Third: The Apostolic Benediction: 2 Cor. 13: 14-"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ...love of God...communion of the Holy Ghost."

Fourth: Christ Himself teaches it in John 14: 16-"I will pray the Father...He will give you another Comforter."

Fifth: The New Testament sets forth:
A Father who is God, Rom. 1: 7
A Son who is God, Heb. 1: 8
A Holy Spirit who is God, Acts 5: 3 & 4.

The whole is summed up in the words of Boardman: "The Father is all fullness of the Godhead invisible, John 1: 18; the Son is all the fullness of the Godhead manifested, John 1: 14-18; the Spirit is all the fullness of the Godhead acting immediately upon the creature, 1 Cor. 2: 9&10."

There are other Scriptures not mentioned in his book regarding the Trinity. John 1: 1-18 is a Scripture I often share with Jehovah's Witnesses. The King James version would not support their "no Trinity" doctrine, so they had to rewrite the Bible in their own translation. They still consider the King James as an authoritive source, though. Genesis 1:26 alludes to the Trinity when He said, "Let us make man in our image." I also find trinities within ourselves. You are a spirit. You have a soul. You live in a body. Your body is made up of flesh, bone, and blood. Your soul is your mind, will, and emotions. Your spirit is light, love, and power. You are these distinct things, but they are still you.

The entire Gospel message is congruent to the law of thermodynamics. Energy will deteriorate unless re-energized from an outside source. God is our creator and source of life. When we separate from God by sin, our spirits will deteriorate to their demise unless we embrace our salvation and reconnect to God through Jesus Christ. Most unbelievers are hedonistic because they are spiritually weak or dead and prone to their animalistic nature. We must feed our spirits, souls, and bodies to be strong and well balanced human beings.

If your Bible study is truly inter-denominational, beloved brother, I suggest you pick up "The Great Doctrines of the Bible" by William Evans as a guide. It is available in most Christian book stores. If you can't find one, I would be happy to buy one for you. These are the doctrines mainstream Christianity shares across the board. I studied to become a pastor in my church just prior to Mary divorcing me. This book was required reading.

Love you, brother! May God bless you and yours always. I'm going to the Twin Cities later today and spend a couple days helping my 82 year old mother around the house. I will resume conversing with you when I return. In Christ's bosom,

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Bobby: Praise the Lord, Bro. Charlie B., Please, please, please, don't ever get the feeling that I hold you ... or anyone else, who embraces the theory of a trinity of three separate and distinct co-equal, co-eternal and co-existent persons who, collectively, make up the one God of the Bible ... in contempt. Nothing could be further from the truth. I grew up trinitarian, too. Most all of my family ... and many of my friends ... are trinitarians. And, I love 'em all ... very dearly ... and I love you too, Brother. I just no longer subscribe to that theory. But, instead, have some exceedingly strong feelings ... and zeal ... for the Apostles' One God Monotheistic Doctrine, that's all. However, while I am unapologetic about it, I try not to be over bearing with it, either. Nor, do I wish to come across as being condescending or Pharisaic with those who don't embrace the Apostles' One God Monotheistic Doctrine. Brother, you are certainly well within your rights to embrace, uphold and defend the trinity. But, at the same time, I am certainly within mine, too. Over the past 20 years I have dealt with each point listed from the trinitarian book, and will gladly re-address them with you point by point if that is what you really want to do. All I know to say, is **IF** you believe I've stepped out of the traces in any of my writings, please call it to my attention ... point by point. I'll evaluate everything you put forth and/or counter with, and won't take it as a rebuke, either. But, I concluded my study of the trinity over 20 years ago. Now, having said that, there are massive amounts of material written in support of the trinitarian theory, and I acknowledge that openly. If you so choose, I'll try not to mention the Apostles' One God Monotheistic Doctrine to you any more ... and I'll still be your friend. Maybe the best thing to do, at this point, is to just copy and paste some dialogue I recently had with someone named, Michael (whom I haven't heard back from yet) ...



Michael: Hello. My name is Michael. I came across your website and I have a question. I was reading your article entitled: "Have ye Received the Holy Ghost since ye first Believed?" You mentioned that the trinity doctrine is not mentioned in the bible. I agree that I do not see that word in the bible; however, I do clearly see the relationship and distinction of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.


Bobby: I once was a trinitarian, myself. As a matter of fact, I was a baptized member of a main line denominational (trinitarian) church. And, I still visit it and other trinitarian churches from time to time. As a matter of fact, I am invited to take my guitar and play and sing for them from time to time ... which I do. So, don't get to thinking that I hold trinitarians in contempt or anything like that. I just no longer embrace the "theory" they dogmatically regard as "sound doctrine", that's all. I mean, I love the people. **IF** I have an ax to grind, it is with the hirelings who are lining their pockets off the blood, sweat and tears of good, decent and honorable ... but misled ... souls, as these wolves in sheep's clothing fleece their flock. Now, that gets me riled up a bit ... especially when these hirelings fight against the Apostles' One God Monotheistic Doctrine. At any rate, my understanding of the Scriptures today is NOT the result of having been indoctrinated. Instead, it is the result of very diligent study, prayer and research. When God revealed to me, through His Word, the Apostles' One God Monotheistic Doctrine, I had a decision to make ...

1) I could continue on in my indoctrination and totally ignore this revelation, or

2) I could pursue more indepth study into this revelation and learn to love it, embrace it, promote it AND defend it **IF** that's the way it "really' is.

Needless to say, I chose #2. At any rate, where you apparently see the distinction being three different people ... I mean, "persons" who collectively make up the ONE GOD (like that of three family members ...a dad, a mom and a child ... making up ONE FAMILY), I see the distinction being ONE PERSON who occupies three different offices, or functions in three different roles, much like that of me occupying the offices of father, son and husband OR student, teacher and administrator. Futhermore, I can be in the same room with my mother, my wife and my children, and can speak, act and function as father, son and husband without having to morph into three different people ... or "persons" ... and without confusing anyone as to how many people ... or "persons" ... I truly am. Which, by the way brings up a very interesting ... and legitimate ... question for any trinitarian: **IF** threre are really three separate and distinct CO-EQUAL, CO-ETERNAL, CO-EXISTENT "persons" who make up the ONE GOD, how do you explain it is possible for there to be one or more of these "persons" who was actually "begotten" by the other? Actually, Michael, the real distinction is "Spirit" and "flesh" ... or "Divinity" and "humanity". And, the Incarnate Christ was BOTH God and man ... "Spirit" and "flesh" ... or "Divinity" and "humanity", which is why I so often use the Clark Kent/Superman analogy to help people understand why Jesus said and did some of the things He said and did. I do this because most people can relate to Clark Kent/Superman. And, I contend that Jesus Christ, in bodily form on this Earth, was, indeed, the REAL Superman. At any rate, Jesus often spoke of the Father as if the Father where someone other than Himself who was way off in another galaxy or solar system. And, I can see how a person who has been indoctrinated to believe there's two or three of 'em up there and/or who interprets the words of Jesus "literally" could be persuaded to believe such. However, Jesus was unlike any man who has ever lived. While He possessed the Glory and Power of Deity, He went about as a lowly servant. He had a "human" nature as a result of actually being born of a woman. And, He had a "Divine" nature as a result of Him being God manifested in the flesh. Also, Jesus served as the example ... or the template (so to speak) ... for all Christians to pattern themselves after. And, as a result, He said and did many things for our benefit ... AND to set an example for us to follow. By the way, I am NOT saying Jesus was deceitful, nor that He lied ... far from it. It's just that He could (and did) speak, act and function as any "ordinary" man, at times. And, He also could (and did) speak, act and function as Almighty God, at other times, while here on Earth. Those who have ears to hear, hears what the Spirit saith, and aren't trying to fuel a flawed, man-made, pre-conceived and indoctrinated agenda, will, I believe, come to the understanding as to who Jesus "really" is **IF** they truly hunger and thirst for righteousness. Then, it will be up to them what they do from that point. They can continue on in their traditions and doctrines of men OR they can come out from among them and be ye separate. At any rate, I'll get more into this subject in a minute.


Michael: Additionally, you mentioned about the "Apostles' One God Monotheistic Doctrine"---what exactly is that? I did not see monotheistic in the bible either;


Bobby: Actually, the Apostles' One God Monotheistic Doctrine is redundant because "One God" and "Monotheistic" means the same thing. However, I prefer to use this redundant term because it makes any reference to God very, very, specific. You see, some trinitarians I've discussed the Scriptures with make it sound like there are three different people ... like you are one person, I am one person and Billy Graham is one person, who make up ONE GOD. While others make it sound like there is ONE PERSON who has three heads sitting on their shoulders. And, neither one of these portrayals will I accept any longer. I am not totally against using non-Biblical terms or words. However, what I am against is dogmatically holding any doctrine whose very existence depends upon the use of non-Biblical terms or words. Personally, I try to remember to use the words "caught up" or "the catching away" when talking about the Bride of Christ being taken out of this world, because of past discussions and debates when a person would argue that the terms "trinity", "triune" and "persons" (pertaining to God and/or the Godhead) when this subject would come up. For a person to accept, promote and defend the words "trinity", "truine", or "persons" (pertaining to God and/or the Godhead) ... on the same grounds, and with the same logic, as the word "rapture", just ain't even on the same level, as far as I'm concerned ... seeing as how, there are no contextural Biblical words which could be used as a substitute for the words "trinity", "triune", or "persons" in a personal observation or explanation, as the contextural Biblical words of "caught up" that most definitely could be used as a substitute for the word "rapture" in a personal observation or explanation. In other words, I don't know of any Biblical words which will do for the words "trinity", "triune" or "persons" (pertaining to God and/or the Godhead) what the words "caught up" will do for the word "rapture" in anyone's personal observation or explanation. And I try to always make a point to stress this when I am dealing with someone who puts forth the argument and logic that the non-Biblical words "trinity", "triune" or "persons" (pertaining to God and/or the Godhead) should be accepted just as the word "rapture" is .... or even the word "sandwich" (for that matter). And, even though that word is not in the Bible, either, I know they're real 'cause I ate one yesterday. So, my point ... or my question ... is, what Biblical words could you use in the place of the words "trinity", "triune" OR "persons" pertaining to God and/or the Godhead? I wouldn't have any trouble at all finding Biblical words to use in the place of "sandwich", "rapture" and "Bible". They are: "bread" and "meat", "caught up" "Word of God" and "book". Now, what Biblical words would you use for trinity, triune or persons (pertaining to God and/or the Godhead)? If there are none (which was the result of my investigation), I would suggest that you not be found guilty of adding to or taking from (depending on how you look at it) the Word of God by holding something so dogmatically which isn't even specifically mentioned ... nor any Biblical words found to use in its stead ... in the Bible. While I do NOT believe in three "persons" who jointly form God, I do believe the Bible accurately describes God as the Father in Creation, the Son in Redemption and the Holy Spirit living in the hearts of believers throughout the New Testament Church Age. Three "forms" of God ... three "manifestations" of God ... three "titles" of God ... three "offices/positions" which God holds and functions in ... three "roles" which God occupies ... BUT NOT THREE PERSONS. NOWHERE do you find in the Bible which says what trinitarians so often say ... that is that there is one God "in three persons". That's an "add on" that people would do well to just leave off. Men started "reading" that into the Scriptures a couple centuries or so AFTER Jesus ascended back up into Heaven and the "foot print followers" of our Lord had passed on.


Michael: however, it is clear that there is but one God

John 17:3 reads: 3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

In addition to that verse, for me, my conviction is as follows:

1 Corinthians 8:6 reads: 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

And of course, Jesus said that the Holy Spirit was sent in His name, from the Father, to flow out of the belly of those who believe on Him. Thank you Lord for the Holy Spirit...

My question Bobby is this: how does my conviction, as outlined in 1 Corinthians 8:6 and my conviction (as the Word says) pertaining to the Holy Spirit, how does it all fit into the "trinity" and "monotheistic" doctrines? I dont know---I guess these titles seem to not fully express God (well I dont know the fullness of the two, so perhaps that is the problem)...I just simply refer to God as the Word says, without clinging to a "title" to "sum Him up" perse...but nevertheless, from what I shared, how would it fit into those two doctrines? Or does it? Thanks for your time! Hope to hear from you soon.


Bobby: It is possible to cherry pick a Scripture or two here and there and assert just about anything from a Biblical standpoint ... using the very carefully selected Scripture(s). However, the true test of the proper understanding and interpretation ... IN MY OPINION ... is whether or not the PREPONDERANCE of Scriptural evidence will support that particular assertion ... or point of view. Before I list some things from another one of my web pages which addresses this subject, I would like to ask you to give me your answers to the following questions at your earliest convenience ....


1. When it comes to Spiritual matters, what does the term being "saved" mean to you? And, what would you actually tell a person if they were to, point blank, ask you what they needed to do be "saved"?

2. Do you believe a person can be "saved" without repenting?

3. Do you believe a person can be "saved" without being "born again" BOTH of water (baptized correctly) AND of the Spirit (empowered and indwelled by the Spirit of God ... the Bible way)?

4. Do you believe a person can be "saved" without continuing in the "Apostles' Doctrine" and living a "holy" -consecrated, dedicated, set apart, separate- life?

5. How do you define a "person"?

6. How many "persons" make up God?

7. When you refer to "Deity" (God), are your referring to Almighty God the Father ONLY ..., OR are you referring to any other person(s) of Deity? If any other person(s) of Deity, please list several of the main Scriptures upon which you base your belief, that there is actually MORE than ONE "person" of "Deity" (God).

8. Concerning Deity (God), how many "Fathers" (UPPER CASE) are there?

9. Concerning Deity (God), how many "LORDS" (UPPER CASE) are there?

10. Concerning Deity (God), how many "Saviours" (UPPER CASE) are there?

11. Concerning Deity (God), how many "Spirits" (UPPER CASE) are there?

12. Concerning Deity (God), how many "Spirits" (UPPER CASE) dwelled between the cherubims in the Most Holy Place?

13. In what form did Jesus exist prior to the Incarnation?


Now, from my web page ....

50 Reasons why the Bible doesn't mention TRINITY or refer to God as PERSONS.
http://www.impact-ministry.com/acts2/trinity.html

POINT # 6. Bobby: English was my worst subject in school, but I do remember a few things. For illustration purposes only, it is not proper to link the singular pronoun "He", which refers to one "person", to verbs like: "see", "hear" and "warn" ... which would look like this ... "He see", "He hear" and "He warn". When using the singular pronoun "He", it is necessary to use the verbs "sees", "hears" and "warns" ... "He SEES", "He HEARS" and "He WARNS". In order to use the verbs "see", "hear" and "warn", you must use a noun or pronoun which is "plural" and identifies "more" than one person like, "People" ... "People see", "People hear" and "People warn". Yet, intelligent people who know this rule, but who have been indoctrinated to believe that there are three "persons" of God, ignore this rule when it comes to the word "GOD".



**IF** the word "GOD" identifies more than one "person", as the trinitarians insist, the Bible should read like this, "God SEE", "God HEAR" and "God WARN" ... AND IT DOESN'T! The word "GOD" is never linked to a verb like that. Instead, the word "GOD" is ALWAYS linked to verbs just as the word "He" (a singular person) is ... like this, "God SEES", "God HEARS" and "God WARNS". Again, I use these particular words for illustration purposes only, but I hope I have made my point ... and that it's CLEAR.



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Bro. Burch: Hi Bother Bobby, Thanks for getting back to me so soon. I am just about to leave for the Cities so I'll make this quick. Yes, I already consider you a friend and brother in Christ. I am just getting to know you and it seems like you are easy going, full of God's love. I would like to futher understand were you are coming from and how you became sold out to this doctrine. I can agree to disagree with you without getting offended. I've been dealing with my fiance's sister, xxxxx, who is a xxxxxxxxxxx, lately. She was very offended with xxxxxx and I because we pulled up information on the web to counter her seminar training.

I have encountered the "Jesus only" doctrine back in the 80's. Another "wind of doctrine" that flowed through the Charismatic movement then. This Apostolic doctrine sounds similar. I've even had a doctrine flow through my camp regarding forgivenenss for the devil. My response was, "Forgiveness requires repentance on the devil's part." Never heard of it again! I would like a point by point response to William Evans and the discourse I laid out when you have the time. By the way, I have gone through Evan's entire book many times and disagree with one thing: tongues. His aguement as tongues being a known language was answered in his own retort. Tongues is the universal language we had before the tower of Babel. I feel as though the Apostolic doctrine is just a diffence in semantics, and yet it could be as important as did Jesus really die on the cross? Why did He call out, "Father, why have you forsaken me?" As Paul once said, "If any should have a disagreement, let them humble themselves and pray. God will reveal the answer." (paraphrase) Even the Apostles had their disagreements, too. We are all human and God's ways are higher than ours.

I would appreciate your prayers for the Lord to release the money from my late cousin's estate. It has been held up for one reason or another for the last three years. I feel as if the devil wants to siphon as much money out of it in legal fees before I see a dime. Now is the time I need it most to make this transition off the road. Gotta go!


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Bobby's POINT BY POINT Response to Bro. Burch:
In his book, "The Great Doctrines of the Bible," William Evans states on page 28, "The doctrine of the Trinity is clearly taught in the New Testament; it is not merely intimated, as in the Old Testament, but is explicitly declared. This is evident from the following:

First: The baptism of Christ: Matt. 3: 16 & 17. Here the Father speaks from heaven; the Son is being baptized in the Jordan; and the Spirit descends in the form of a dove.


Bobby: There is only one Spirit of Deity ... Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; ... And, that one Spirit, while residing "in" the Incarnate Christ, was still omnipresent throughout the universe ... and, as a result, could SIMULTANEOUSLY be manifested to people in more than one geographical location OR in one geographical location in more than one form ... all without having to morph into more than one Spirit ... or "person". What you have at Jesus' baptism is TWO Divine witnesses ... the voice from heaven and the Theophany descending like a dove ... NOT two additional "CO-EQUAL, CO-ETERNAL, CO-EXISTENT "persons". At the baptism of Jesus, the voice and the Dove were the two "Divine" witnesses which verified to John the Baptist that Jesus (his cousin, according to the flesh) was indeed the Messiah as recorded in St. John Chapter ONE ...

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

Likewise, the voice from Heaven was a Divine Witness and for the benefit of those who heard it .... as explained in St. John Chapter 12 ....

28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.

Now, here's a copy and paste Point #24 from my web site at:
http://www.impact-ministry.com/acts2/trinity.html

POINT # 24. Bobby: When Jesus was baptized by John in Jordan River, the voice of God spoke, "This is my beloved Son, IN WHOM I am well pleased." Matthew 3:17. Notice, God said, "IN WHOM" - not with whom! "To wit, that GOD WAS IN CHRIST, reconciling the world unto Himself..." 2 Corinthians 5:19. "... the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." John 14:10.

The difference in the tabernacle of badgers skins and the tabernacle of flesh was the tabernacle of badgers skins was inanimate, and the tabernacle of flesh was a living, breathing, supernaturally conceived and born human who had 2 natures ... one Divine and one human. I use the analogy of Clark Kent and Superman a lot when talking about the relationship of the Father and the Son because most people can relate to Clark Kent being Superman incognito ... not two separate "persons."

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Second: In the Baptismal Formula: Matt. 28: 19- "Baptizing them in the name of the (singular) Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."


Bobby: Since 1986, there has not been a single person to come forward with the Biblical proof necessary to claim my $ 10,000.00 REWARD:


$10,000 Reward:

Offered to anyone who can find ONE scripture in the authorized King James Version of the Holy Bible TEXT:

(1) with the word "trinity" in it;

(2) where the term "persons" (plural) was ever used to describe God or the Godhead; OR

(3) where anyone was ever baptized with the TITLES "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" pronounced over them. (These "titles" are quoted by virtually every religious denomination today among BOTH Catholic and Protestants, regardless of whether they baptize by sprinkling or by immersion).



The "formula" (words invoked) at baptism has become of particular interest to me. It is my understanding that the Great Commission given in Matthew 28:19, ""Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, AND of the Son, AND of the Holy Ghost," is where Jesus instructed His followers to ...

1) go;
2) teach; and
3) baptize in THE NAME (SINGULAR ... ONE NAME) of the Father, AND of the Son, AND of the Holy Ghost

In other words, it is my understanding that this is where Jesus told His followers what to DO ..... NOT what to SAY. When the "footprint followers" and "original" New Testament Church leaders carried out this "Great Commission" they ALWAYS baptized converts to Christianity in the NAME of JESUS, as documented by BOTH the Scriptures AND History .....

Acts 2:38 & 41 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. .... Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 8:12 & 15-16 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. .....Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Acts 10:47-48 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. (NOTE: In the following Versions of the Bible this verse reads, "in the name of Jesus" .... NLT, NASB, RSV, and the ASV.)

Acts 19:1-7
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.


The Bible is very specific in admonishing us, that whatsoever we do in word or deed, to do ALL in the name of the Lord Jesus (Colossians 3:17).


Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (1951). II, 384, 389: "The formula used was "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" or some synonymous phrase; there is no evidence for the use of the trine name The earliest form, represented in the Acts, was simple immersion in water, the use of the name of the Lord, and the laying on of hands. To these were added, at various times and places which cannot be safely identified, (a) the trine name (Justin)"

Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (1962), I 351: "The evidence suggests that baptism in early Christianity was administered, not in the threefold name, but 'in the name of Jesus Christ' or 'in the name of the Lord Jesus.'"

Otto Heick, A History of Christian Thought (1965), I, 53: "At first baptism was administered in the name of Jesus, but gradually in the name of the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible (1898). I, 241: "[One explanation is that] the original form of words was "into the name of Jesus Christ" or 'the Lord Jesus,' Baptism into the name of the Trinity was a later development."

Williston Walker, A History of the Christian Church (1947), page 58: "The trinitarian baptismal formula,,, was displacing the older baptism in the name of Christ."

The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge (1957), I, 435: "The New Testament knows only baptism in the name of Jesus which still occurs even in the second and third centuries."

Canney's Encyclopedia of Religions (1970), page 53: "Persons were baptized at first 'in the name of Jesus Christ' or 'in the name of the Lord Jesus' Afterwards, with the development of the doctrine of the Trinity, they were baptized 'in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.'"

Encyclopedia Biblica (1899), I, 473: "It is natural to conclude that baptism was administered in the earliest times 'in the name of Jesus Christ,' or in that 'of the Lord Jesus.' This view is confirmed by the fact that the earliest forms of the baptismal confession appear to have been single-not triple, as was the later creed."

Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th ed. (1920), II 365: "The trinitarian formula and trine immersion were not uniformly used from the beginning Bapti[sm] into the name of the Lord [was] the normal formula of the New Testament. In the 3rd century baptism in the name of Christ was still so widespread that Pope Stephen, in opposition to Cyprian of Carthage, declared it to be valid."

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Third: The Apostolic Benediction: 2 Cor. 13: 14-"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ...love of God...communion of the Holy Ghost."


Bobby: This verse is very similar to the greetings and salutations in some of the epistles which refer to God the Father "and" the Lord Jesus Christ. The mere fact that God the Father, Lord Jesus Christ or Holy Ghost is mentioned in the same verse, to some, means that there must be two or three different entities ... or persons ... being referenced. However, Jehovah/God manifested in the flesh, Himself, said He has a Throne. And, the ONE and only Throne of Jehovah/God which John saw is called the Throne of God "and" of the Lamb in Revelation 22:1. Now, some start trying to split hairs by saying the little word "and" separates, instead of joins together. Well, that's just the kind of shell game with words that I've had presented to me by no telling how many people trying to defend the theory of the trinity. Consider this: The Greek word that was translated into English as "and" in Revelation 22:1 and over 8,000 other places in the New Testament, is kai (Strong's # 2532) pronounced {kahee}. It serves as a copulative to connect. Let me further explain how ministers and teachers who either don't know that they don't know, OR who are just wolves in sheep's clothing, and make it their business to deceive as many good, decent and honorable, yet misled, people as they possibly can ... which is what really gets me riled up. I really and truly love people, but I really and truly detest those who deceive, mislead and take advantage of others. If I have an ax to grind, it is with the wolves in sheep's clothing who deceive, lie and mislead people while they line their pockets from the blood, sweat and tears of the flocks they fleece. As far as I'm concerned that ranks right up there with spouse abuse, grave robbing and child molestation. At any rate, here's just one of the ways modern day deceivers (whether by design or through ignorance) are able to be so effective with their "shell games". And the sad part is, most of the common, everyday people (who are unwittingly supporting these deceivers) don't have a clue they're being led down the wrong trail, because they either believe their "leader(s)" to be right and/or they are not as Biblically literate as they really need to be in order to know when someone is leading them down the wrong trail. Any how, this Greek word is used to CONNECT ... NOT SEPARATE. But, some brainiac has come along and convinced good people that the word "AND" separates instead of joins together. And, here's what I mean. Those who oppose the Apostles' One God Monotheistic Doctrine so badly would, no doubt, say the following (small) sampling of verses is where this Greek word that was translated into English as "AND" proves that the Father and Son were "SEPARATED" by this word in order to make a distinction to support their two different persons theory (instead of being joined together by this word to reveal that the Father and the Son are the SAME PERSON) ...


Romans 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.


1 Corinthians 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.


2 Corinthians 1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.



Now, I will expose the hypocrisy and deception of such a "shell game" with the word "and". While the above references would emphatically be promoted and defended as being positive proof that Jehovah/God the Father and Jesus Christ are two separate and distinct "persons" ... these same deceivers would deny the fact that the same word "and" would separate into distinct "persons" in the following Scriptures because it would refute their theology. As a matter of fact, there are those who would fight tooth and nail to defend a position in the following verses that the word "and" joins together ... like the word is really meant to do, any way. By the way, and as a side note, I want it very clearly understood that I have NOT denied a distinction in the Godhead as it relates to salvation. I just emphatically deny and reject the notion that the distinction is in the number of "PERSONS" involved. At any rate, here's the examples that expose the hypocrisy and inconsistency of the use of this little Greek word that was translated into English as "AND" because **IF** they used the same argument and logic from the above verses in the following verses, it would conclusively prove that Jehovah/God AND the Father are two separate "PERSONS" ... and they for sure can't do that ...


2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.


Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:


1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


What follows next is how the shell game with the word "and" has to continue in order to support man-made theology. **IF** the word "and" is used to separate, as some insist, the following would prove that the New Covenant Saviour and Jesus are two separate persons ... AND would either give us TWO SAVIOURS or would prove Jesus really wasn't the New Covenant Saviour after all ... in the event they insisted there is only one Saviour. Do you see how convoluted these shell games can get when deception, ideas, opinions, indoctrination, traditions, human reasoning, logic and LITERAL interpretations gets involved??? Neither Jesus, nor any of the "original" New Testament Church leaders were this complicated and messed up. Anyway, here's a real zinger (**IF** you use this method of interpreting the Bible) ...

1 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

Now, I contend that Jesus Christ was Jehovah/God manifested in the flesh, but using the word "and" to separate in 1 Timothy 1:1 is the Lord Jesus Christ our hope or our Saviour ... or BOTH?? I say BOTH.


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Fourth: Christ Himself teaches it in John 14: 16-"I will pray the Father...He will give you another Comforter."


Bobby: There is only ONE SPIRIT. Ephesians 4:4. "For by ONE SPIRIT are we all baptized into one body..." 1 Cor

Bobby's reward caught my eye a couple of years ago. We tossed several emails back and forth over the subject. I gave him every Scripture I had supporting the Trinity doctrine out of my Great Doctrines Of The Bible handbook I purchased in divinity school in 1989. One of the rules of his "reward" states that you must find the word trinity itself in Scripture. Therein lies the conundrum.

Bobby knows that the word "trinity" does not exist in Scripture. He also knows that the word "rapture" does not appear in Scripture, yet he believes in that doctrine. He also said that he has nothing against those who believe in the Trinity doctrine. Though he adamantly said his theological position is not the "Jesus Only" doctrine, whatever it is looks like it's twin sister.

(((ROR redacted)))
In my opinion, Bobby is drawing people who don't know Scripture well enough to know that in an attempt to prosyletise them. I wouldn't call his reward a scam, just a waste of time.

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
L. Charles

My Reward could be for 10 BILLION DOLLARS. I just make it $ 10,000 to make it more of an eye catcher. And, I give my reason for the reward on the web page, itself ...

Since 1986 I have been offering a $10,000.00 REWARD to any priest, clergyman, layman or "professing" Christian in an effort to provoke serious, but "independent" Bible study and research.

Here's the reward and the web page ...

impact-ministry.com/acts2/reward.html

$10,000 Reward:

Offered to anyone who can find ONE scripture in the authorized King James Version of the Holy Bible TEXT:

(1) with the word "trinity" in it;

(2) where the term "persons" (plural) was ever used to describe God or the Godhead; OR

(3) where anyone was ever baptized with the TITLES "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" pronounced over them. (These "titles" are quoted by virtually every religious denomination today among BOTH Catholic and Protestants, regardless of whether they baptize by sprinkling or by immersion).

At any rate, the information specified CANNOT be found in the original authorized King James Version of the Bible Text.

I am a non-denominational layman, NOT a preacher, pastor or evangelist. I lived in Florida for 15 years. During that time I attended several different churches. One of them was the First United Pentecostal Church of Kissimmee. Also, during that time the pastor and I mutually decided to purchase the impact-ministry.com domain and share the expenses with the church paying half and me paying the other half. And, another person not affiliated with the church constructed the web pages for us.

However, since that time I moved to Mississippi, and have assumed all of the on-going expenses, and have taken over the impact-ministry.com domain, personally. The pastor and myself and still very good friends. And, when I left, I left on good terms. Therefore, I chose to leave the Kissimmee church's web page intact, just as it had been all along.

By the way, the church I attend in Mississippi is not affiliated with the United Pentecostal Church. And, to be honest with you, I resent the accusation that a non-denominational layman can't be affiliated with a church of his or her choosing, or if they do ... and it happens to be a denominational church ... then, they are some how being misleading or dishonest.

I would really like to know who my accuser is because I have reason to believe that his false allegation qualifies for slander ...

When somebody decides to answer his challenge he quickly plays the shell game and trys to get them to forget the $10,000 challenge and sends them more than 70 questions in an email and than when they respond to them he edits their responses and contact information.

Rebuttal: I don't play shell games and try to get someone to forget the reward. I do my very best to get them to provide the book, chapter and verse which contains the information that would meet the criteria of the reward provisions. The Reward is very clearly spelled out, and should be easy to understand by anyone with minimal education. There are 50 or 75 people who have contacted me, requesting to receive copies of Bible discussions/debates that I am involved with from time to time. And, the way I do that is to remove the email addresses and other information that would violate anyone's privacy. Then, I email it to myself and blind carbon copy it to those in the "open forum".

They, in turn, are encouraged to comment, critique, criticize or what ever. And, sometimes there are those in this open forum who agree with an opponent of mine. The bottom line is, I haven't set up a cheering section. Nor do I "advertise" web sites, books or other things for opponents with whom I disagree. But, I do not edit their responses to change their subject matter. My feelings are that they can do their own advertising and start their own forum just like I did. At any rate, that is the extent of my editing of any responses.

I would appreciate it very much if my rebuttal is placed on your site and the contact information provided to me for the person who filed this "consumer complaint" against me.

For your information I have listed my web pages below. Thank you ... and God bless!

Bobby G. Richardson
non-denominational layman

An Introduction to, and special message from, Bobby G. Richardson
hometown.aol.com/bobby39629/myhomepage/writing.html

Are You a "GOOD" Person??
hometown.aol.com/firstacofbc/myhomepage/business.html

Your Important Appointment With ...
hometown.aol.com/firstacofbc.myhomepage/profile.html

Salvation .... The Roman Road?? Or, the Jerusalem Road??
hometown.aol.com/firstacofbc/myhomepage/howto.html

Grammatical Explanation of Matthew 28:19 concerning the correct NAME ... hometown.aol.com/actschap2bgr/myhomepage/business.html

50 Reasons Why The Bible Doesn't Mention A Trinity, Or Refer To God As "Persons".
impact-ministry.com/acts2/trinity.html

My sojourn with, and EXPULSION from, CMA (Christian Motorcyclists Association)
hometown.aol.com/actschap2bgr/myhomepage/motorcycle.html

$ 10,000.00 Reward.
impact-ministry.com/acts2/reward.html

Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?
impact-ministry.com/acts2/believed.html

#1 Ranked "Non-Denominational" Bible Study on Google.
impact-ministry.com/acts2/

When God Became A Man - Mystery of all Mysteries!
hometown.aol.com/firstacofbc/myhomepage/faith.html

Actual email Bible discussions with Bobby Richardson
hometown.aol.com/firstacofbc/myhomepage/books.html
Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" Movie
hometown.aol.com/firstacofbc/myhomepage/movies.html

Open letter to Mormons.
impact-ministry.com/acts2/mormon.html

Open letter to Jehovah Witnesses.
impact-ministry.com/acts2/witness.html

Word for word Bible discussion between Bobby G. Richardson and a Jehovah's Witness
hometown.aol.com/actschap2bgr/myhomepage/news.html

Jehovah's Witness Minister Debates Bobby G. Richardson, Non-Denominational Layman
hometown.aol.com/actschap2bgr/myhomepage/rant.html

Open Letter to professing Christians who are homosexual.
impact-ministry.com/acts2/profess.html

Who says the supernatural manifestations of God have ceased?
hometown.aol.com/actschap2bgr/myhomepage/profile.html

Minister with 45 years of Rabbinic Hebrew training challenges Bobby Richardson
hometown.aol.com/firstacofbc/myhomepage/writing.html

Mainline Minister accepts the Bobby Richardson challenge. (loads slowly)
hometown.aol.com/clmgr1951/myhomepage/newsletter.html

Larry Hafley, Church of Christ debater with OVER 30 years experience, refuted (loads VERY slowly)
hometown.aol.com/clmgr1951/myhomepage/travel.html

Larry Hafley's Godhead debate Scripturally refuted by Bobby Richardson
hometown.aol.com/bgr1952im/myhomepage/business.html

Non-Denominational Layman, Bobby G. Richardson responds to ... and refutes ... James L. Melton's Webpage "Acts 2:38 Satan's Favorite Bible Verse"
hometown.aol.com/firstacofbc/myhomepage/photo.html

#1 What do you "really" know about Freemasonry, and where did you learn it? (loads slowly)
hometown.aol.com/bobby39629/myhomepage/military.html

#2 Can a Christian be (or should a Christian remain) a Mason/Patriot? (loads slowly)
hometown.aol.com/bobby39629/myhomepage/newsletter.html

#3 Bobby Richardson refutes former Mason & several "so called" Apostolic ministers (loads slowly)
hometown.aol.com/bobby39629/myhomepage/rant.html

#4 The saga continues - withstanding and refuting the misled and misinformed ...(loads slowly)
hometown.aol.com/bobby39629/myhomepage/business.html

#5 Another "so called" Apostolic Minister fails to refute Freemasonry (loads slowly)
hometown.aol.com/bobby39629/myhomepage/books.html

Last Call At Mile Marker Seven (not updated to reflect where I now live [MS]).
impact-ministry.com/testimonies/mile.html

Gordon writes:
"I believe the reporter for this socall scam is either religiously upset or anti religious."

Ummm, Gordon, exactly how do you draw that conclusion? In reading the original post, it would seem to imply that the OP found a place in the Bible that met the challenge, and was not adequately responded to by Bobby Richardson.

This is what the OP wrote:
"When somebody decides to answer his challenge he quickly plays the shell game and trys to get them to forget the $10,000 challenge and sends them more than 70 questions in an email and than when they respond to them he edits their responses and contact information."

"When somebody decides to answer his challenge". I'm not drawing the assumption that the OP is personally endorsing the existence of the Trinity, just that he apparently found mention of it, and the challenge is TO FIND ONE SCRIPTURE that references the Trinity, in one of the three ways you noted.

The OP doesn't present his own view on the validity of the Trinity. This makes sense, since the challenge isn't regarding a person's belief in it, but to find a passage that mentions it, and the OP does seem to be saying that he did meet this challenge.

The post written doesn't sound upset or hostile, in any way. Indeed, he states he bears no animosity towards Bobby Richardson, and there's nothing written that is defamatory towards Bobby Richardson that I can read. The post was written in a clear and informative manner, which is more than can be said for some posts that provide only the fact that the person feels ripped off, but doesn't explain, in any way, why.

Is it that the OP believes a passage was found, in defiance of Bobby Richardson's challenge, that makes him anti-religious? Is it that you feel that finding such a passage makes a person anti-religious because the religion you subscribe to does not believe in the Trinity, and anyone who does, or who finds evidence of it, is therefore anti-religious?

As for the OP being religiously upset, in finding a passage that refutes a claim by Bobby Richardson, this makes no sense. If the OP IS a believer in the Trinity, he would not be upset at finding this proof. If he isn't a believer in it, why would he be upset at finding a passage that could earn him $10,000? He writes NOTHING that indicates his belief, either way. If he is, indeed, upset at finding the Bible referencing the Trinity, he still didn't write a single sentence indicating that.

I truly cannot fathom how you could get from this report that the writer is either religiously upset or anti-religious. I don't see how the OP could have been more circumspect about leaving his own beliefs out of the situation.

The author avoids the conditions for the $10,000 rewards here is an exerpt from the website for the conditions.

$10,000 Reward:

Offered to anyone who can find ONE scripture in the authorized King James Version of the Holy Bible TEXT:

(1) with the word "trinity" in it;

(2) where the term "persons" (plural) was ever used to describe God or the Godhead; OR

(3) where anyone was ever baptized with the TITLES "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" pronounced over them. (These "titles" are quoted by virtually every religious denomination today among BOTH Catholic and Protestants, regardless of whether they baptize by sprinkling or by immersion).

If you would like to inquire, discuss or debate this then Lets Start Here

Here is the website address for the rewards site
http://www.impact-ministry.com/acts2/reward.html

As an independent student of the bible, I find the challenge and reward totally acceptable, for NONE of the three conditions are listed in the bible. If so I would be definitely interested. I have read my KJV for over 23 years and find no mention of the word trinity, persons (for God), or anyone baptized Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
I believe the reporter for this socall scam is either religiously upset or anti religious. As such the website authors should investigate the allegations made, and take corrective action = delete this report or file suit against Bobby.