Coached 2 Riches Ripoff ALL STUDENTS LOOK OUT FOR THIS SCAM West Jordan Utah

Paul,

This whole argument has been blown WAY out of proportion. Just to begin, I have absolutely NO affiliation with this, or any other online coaching company.

I would agree that the great majority of them are total scams. IMgent, StoresOnline, etc, have proven THAT much.

But let's take a look at the original complaint. Notice anything different about it? The RipOffReport folks attached a note at the bottom that says they removed a competing website URL.

Hmmmmm...perhaps Nicholas works for one of the other organizations? Have you noticed that we have NEVER heard from him again?

The reason I came on this site in the first place is that I received an email from Coached 2 Riches. Something didn't smell quite right, so I checked it out here.

On the URL that the ad gives, the only charges I can see are a free trial with a shipping charge of 4.47, and after the 10-day trial, a recurring charge of 59.95 until you cancel.

If you have other figures, PLEASE post them with citations.

You can claim that our $5 trial and $59.95 per month is nonsense but I can provide the URL we use for advertising to generate our customers. As stated twice before, we ask the first customer who posted this thread to provide a credit card statment that shows a charge in that amount. I can guarantee you they can't- we don't charge that amount. My guess is that they signed up with another program simultaneously and mistakenly pointed the finger our direction.

I'll say it once more, our success is based on keeping our customers happy and having them continue to want to pay their monthly fees. Calling us liar's doesn't make it any less true. In fact, it's probably flattering because it means we've created an offer that sets us apart from anyone else out there. We've created something that is afforadable to our customers and our company success is performance based but somehow we are painted in a poor light. I'd think that you'd be happy that someone finally did it right. I'm sure that you'd agree that a 59.95 investment is pretty simple to cover. Your investment is generally covered simply from the tax breaks of owning a home business.

"If" we charge more why don't you ask Jennifer what she paid. My guess is a $5 (my guess is $4.47) trial and $59.95...she's already confirmed the $60 charge.

Here's how this site works. People come here and post complaints. Other people read those complaints and try to make some sense out of what was said. Often, representatives from the company will come and defend or rebut the accusations.

Readers like me try to determine the real facts. When there are two conflicting stories, readers try to determine which is the more credible one.

Two people posted complaints. Why would the first person come here if he had no basis of fact? And, out of all the sites on the internet, how did he come to name your company? Random? Are we to believe that this individual simply searched the internet until he found your site, then made a phony claim?

Companies offer these exact same programs all the time. They claim that they have all the answers. They claim that they offer a genuine value.

But, when you look at actual results, they all come up short. Optimistically, I'm guessing about a third of the purchasers go on to make any money at all. Those that do see that the description was not accurate. The program does not produce the results described. Even when all directions are followed exactly as directed, the results fail to live up to the claims that were made.

Further, in virtually all instances, the purchasers never are able to recoup their original investment using the supplied program.

That's the definition of fraud. Misrepresentation. Little or no actual results. Overall, a loss of funds.

Make no mistake, these internet commerce programs do not make money for the buyers. Instead, they cost them money. If the real truth was known, virtually nobody would even bother to try them. Certainly nobody would go out and risk thousands of dollars on them.

I'm inclined to feel that the number in the original complaint is much more realistic. Your claim of $5 or $60 is pure nonsense. Nobody goes through all the trouble to set up one of these programs for such a small return. Not credible.

That pretty much sums up this whole discussion. You are simply not credible.

You lie about your price. I know it's big money. So does everyone else. You dance around with numbers like 5 or 60. Not even sort of credible. The original complainant probable paid thousands. There's the real price.

You cite ebay and overstock. Great! As if, by association, that makes your legit.

Here's what I see. If I looked at how many people actually purchased and worked your program as offered, I'd more than likely find just what I described above. Certainly not the spectacular returns you describe. More like the $10 an hour that I deduced. And, that's an optimistic figure. Many clients will not be able to accomplish that.

I suspect that the vast majority will see that there is no real money to be made. At that point, they will give up and go away. Taking a loss.

Like I said originally, just the name alone tells me this is fraud. Coached 2 riches. Not to an income. Not to a few bucks. Instead, riches.

Like I said, you can run this nonsense past your customers. The ones who are either desperate or lost will grab onto the bait and proceed to buy. In short order, they will see what the vast majority of the world already knows.

Our pricing is no secret. We offer a $5 trial of our services and then charge $59.95/month. We know that people who try our coaching services will be pleased and stick with us. As mentioned before, we are performanced based and if our clients don't find value we go out of business.

We also have no affiliation with a company named uSight nor are any of our employees connected to that company to our knowledge.

Considering you've never bought our program I find it so interesting that you present yourself as quite the expert on our program. If you take the compaints for what they are worth, then you'll see one complaint not connected to our company since we haven't ever charge any client $3000 (our pricing is listed above), and you'll see another complaint that was resolved within a matter of a few days and largely became a problem because our customer didn't have the proper contact information for our company.

As for Internet Speedway, we have no relationship to that company and after looking at what they offer I'd say that our main difference is that along with internet products we provide a marketing hotline from a marketing coaching staff that actively makes money on the internet as well as help our customers do so. I haven't seen a program out there that does this and we tied our success to our customers success intentionally. If we don't provide value to our clients they don't stick around and we don't stay in business. There aren't many companies (internet or traditional) that do this but then again we believe in our products and services and apparently so do our clients.

Amazing enough- Internet Speedway is based out of Chandler, AZ. Take a look at their website:

"Internet Speedway, Inc., Chandler, AZ"

Our pricing is no secret. We offer a $5 trial of our services and then charge $59.95/month. We know that people who try our coaching services will be pleased and stick with us. As mentioned before, we are performanced based and if our clients don't find value we go out of business.

We also have no affiliation with a company named uSight nor are any of our employees connected to that company to our knowledge.

Considering you've never bought our program I find it so interesting that you present yourself as quite the expert on our program. If you take the compaints for what they are worth, then you'll see one complaint not connected to our company since we haven't ever charge any client $3000 (our pricing is listed above), and you'll see another complaint that was resolved within a matter of a few days and largely became a problem because our customer didn't have the proper contact information for our company.

As for Internet Speedway, we have no relationship to that company and after looking at what they offer I'd say that our main difference is that along with internet products we provide a marketing hotline from a marketing coaching staff that actively makes money on the internet as well as help our customers do so. I haven't seen a program out there that does this and we tied our success to our customers success intentionally. If we don't provide value to our clients they don't stick around and we don't stay in business. There aren't many companies (internet or traditional) that do this but then again we believe in our products and services and apparently so do our clients.

Amazing enough- Internet Speedway is based out of Chandler, AZ. Take a look at their website:

"Internet Speedway, Inc., Chandler, AZ"

Our pricing is no secret. We offer a $5 trial of our services and then charge $59.95/month. We know that people who try our coaching services will be pleased and stick with us. As mentioned before, we are performanced based and if our clients don't find value we go out of business.

We also have no affiliation with a company named uSight nor are any of our employees connected to that company to our knowledge.

Considering you've never bought our program I find it so interesting that you present yourself as quite the expert on our program. If you take the compaints for what they are worth, then you'll see one complaint not connected to our company since we haven't ever charge any client $3000 (our pricing is listed above), and you'll see another complaint that was resolved within a matter of a few days and largely became a problem because our customer didn't have the proper contact information for our company.

As for Internet Speedway, we have no relationship to that company and after looking at what they offer I'd say that our main difference is that along with internet products we provide a marketing hotline from a marketing coaching staff that actively makes money on the internet as well as help our customers do so. I haven't seen a program out there that does this and we tied our success to our customers success intentionally. If we don't provide value to our clients they don't stick around and we don't stay in business. There aren't many companies (internet or traditional) that do this but then again we believe in our products and services and apparently so do our clients.

Amazing enough- Internet Speedway is based out of Chandler, AZ. Take a look at their website:

"Internet Speedway, Inc., Chandler, AZ"

Our pricing is no secret. We offer a $5 trial of our services and then charge $59.95/month. We know that people who try our coaching services will be pleased and stick with us. As mentioned before, we are performanced based and if our clients don't find value we go out of business.

We also have no affiliation with a company named uSight nor are any of our employees connected to that company to our knowledge.

Considering you've never bought our program I find it so interesting that you present yourself as quite the expert on our program. If you take the compaints for what they are worth, then you'll see one complaint not connected to our company since we haven't ever charge any client $3000 (our pricing is listed above), and you'll see another complaint that was resolved within a matter of a few days and largely became a problem because our customer didn't have the proper contact information for our company.

As for Internet Speedway, we have no relationship to that company and after looking at what they offer I'd say that our main difference is that along with internet products we provide a marketing hotline from a marketing coaching staff that actively makes money on the internet as well as help our customers do so. I haven't seen a program out there that does this and we tied our success to our customers success intentionally. If we don't provide value to our clients they don't stick around and we don't stay in business. There aren't many companies (internet or traditional) that do this but then again we believe in our products and services and apparently so do our clients.

Amazing enough- Internet Speedway is based out of Chandler, AZ. Take a look at their website:

"Internet Speedway, Inc., Chandler, AZ"

This is what I'm trying to tell people. These d**n frauds all stick together. The vast majority of these losers running the internet auction con come from Utah.

I figure they're all related somehow. One idiot actually comes up with something. Then, the rest of them simply go out and copy it.

Before you know it, there are like 50 cells, all running this same stupid con.

Look here.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff132702.htm

Internet speedway! Same exact bullshit. Except, these idiots have taken their act on the road.

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So, what do we have so far?

Well, you can have a store online from Storesonline/Imergent. Or, you can be coached to riches from Coached2Riches. Or, you can get in the fast lane with Ispeedway.

Isn't this just a great country? Why be forced to settle for just one fraud? Here in America we have the luxury of many excellent choices when we are looking to get cheated out of our money.

Dude, my name is Paul. I'm in Anaheim, California. I've never bought one single thing from your company. I never came here and claimed I did.

The person who filed this complaint is called Nicolas. He's from San Jose, California. He's the one who claims to have lost $3,000. Not me. Nicholas.

Under him, a lady named Jennifer claimed to have lost $60. Again, not me. Jennifer.

Follow along better! This is not rocket science.

Here's what I said about Utah:

Everybody running the web counseling con comes from Utah

The web counseling con comes out of Utah. Magazine and vending machine cons come from Florida. Envelope stuffing jobs come from Nevada. And, so on.

For some crazy reason, frauds have their own part of the country. Search here for a fraud called Usight. They were running the web counseling con. I believe they're located right near you. I figure that you worked for them, or had acquaintances that did. That's where you got the idea.

You saw them making tons of easy money, and said what the hell, I can do that.

As for your price, who knows? I'm sure you know how much you charge. Obviously, you agree it's a lot of money. Why in the hell else would you keep it a secret?

Guess what? I'm not buying your program. So, it really doesn't matter how much you charge. Ten bucks. Or ten million. So, keep your price a secret.

I'm not sure who has actually been involved with your company. Or, what they paid. All I can do is read their complaint. Maybe it's accurate. Maybe exaggeration. Who knows?

One thing I can be sure of is this. I looked at your site, and I can see what you're selling. I have a rough idea of what you're charging. It's a lot of money for what you give people.

That's why you keep the price a secret. How would it look if you came right out and said that you charge people thousands of dollars in exchange for a few books and CDs and a concept? The concept is selling other people's merchandise on a web site.

I'm sure of something else too. The people who will pay thousands of dollars for that are complete idiots. That's why they come to you. They actually think you're going to coach them to riches. These people are so god damned dumb they don't know the difference between a web site and a camp site.

That's why they come to you. They're lost. They're hoping that you can show them the way to the money. Lord knows, they'll never find any on their own.

Instead, you lead them in circles. All the while charging them a fee for this, and a fee for that. Finally, they get frustrated and give up. Cha-ching! Another satisfied sucker. I mean customer.

So, go ahead and explain to the people you meet how you offer customers e-commerce solutions. Perhaps, they'll be impressed. Maybe you actually believe that nonsense yourself.

Of course, you won't fool me, or others like me. We know how you really make your money. You cheat idiots out of their parent's money. Waste their time with web site nonsense. Then, laugh at them when they stomp away mad.

If that's how you need to get through life, so be it, sport!

We agree that charging $2,000 for a setup fee would be too much--which is why we don't charge that amount. I challenge you again to provide a statement that shows we charged $3,000 to your account and I'm still confused about why you'd lie about this.

I'm also sorry that I didn't pick up on this before but in one of your prior statements you stated that most scams are from Utah, but the FTC link to Biz Opp Flop that YOU provided cited companies from Florida, Rhode Island, California, New York, and Arizona. Sounds like you don't have your facts straight again- not a big surprise.

Also, we don't ever suggest that Overstock.com is the final product solution for someone starting their business. One of our first training emails to our clients is about how to find high margin products. Overstock.com is a great resource and a good starting point but always encourage customers to use other methods for product supply to achive reasonable profit margins.

Unfortunately you are the one with all the "hype" and no real information to back statements up. For example, you say Overstock.com is having a tough time selling their trash when they had a banner year with $494.6 billion in sales which is a 380% increase over the previous year's sales. Companies that have problems moving inventory don't grow like that. A $10,000 fraud incident on eBay has nothing to do with our company and I can't see that as being valid arguement for eBay's validity when it accounts for .00002% of their yearly transactions.

Once again I see that none of your statements have merit. Your arguement about charging $2,000 for our "deal" is a joke considering we just don't charge that amount. You say that we could be making money on the internet but that we don't. Our coaches do sell things on eBay for additional income. Sorry, but your claims are all unfounded.

I'm going to remind readers again that we don't have any customers from Anaheim named Paul or a Nicolas from San Jose. Where are you really from? I starting to think that you need to be considered the Fraud.

Go to the website and see for yourself what they are offering. I did.

First, the price is a hell of a lot more than $60. Nobody is going to waste their time helping you for $60. It's more like thousands. Funny how the explanation left that out, huh? He may not tell you the real price here, but you'd d**n sure find out when you try to sign up.

Next, you're told to make a web commerce site, using img builder software. Fair enough. Perhaps they'll even help you build it. That's a hell of a lot more than the usight frauds did for their victims.

What can you sell on this site? Stuff from overstock.

I guess the deal is that they help you make a web site. Then, they tell you to place overstock merchandise on it. When you find a buyer, you're supposed to send the payment to overstock. Then, they ship out the merchandise to the buyer. You keep a small finders fee.

Since the fraud spent several pages talking about how honest he was instead of explaining his business, I have to fill in the blanks for myself.

So, that's what they are selling. They help you build a website so you can find customers for overstock. You pocket a small finder's fee for every customer you find. Let's say you make 10%. A $1500 computer earns you $150 in commission.

There are two problems with this business model.

First, overstock is having a hard enough time selling their own trash. If it was easy to find buyers, they certainly wouldn't need you.

There's a lot of internet competition out there. All competing for customer dollars. People use froogle to sort the whole mess out. The bottom line is that sales come slow and hard. Nobody's going to come to your ecommerce site and click on notebooks faster than you can send out the orders.

Realistically, I'd expect to net maybe $500 a month. If I was lucky. In order to do that, I'd need $5000 in gross sales. That's a lot!

In exchange, I'd have to put a considerable amount of time into it. Maybe 50 hours in order to make that $500. Divide it out. Ten dollars an hour.

So, let me get this straight. You want me to give you $2000 or more upfront. Then, I get to sell stuff and make $10 an hour.

I don't see any great bargain here. Except for the people at coached 2 riches.

That's always the deal breaker. You see, the people at coached could be out doing the exact same thing that they want you to do. After all, if it makes money for you, it would make money for them too.

Except, they are not doing it, are they? Instead of hustling overstock products, they are selling the deal to college students. Let's assume the deal costs $2000 and they give you 4 hours of actual help. Allowing an hour to make the sale, for a total of 5. Divided into $2k. That works out to $400 an hour.

Obviously, that's where the real money is. Not in overstock. But, college students.

I suggest that you forget about the overstock nonsense. Go for the web site sale, just like these people are doing. They just showed you that there's more money in selling the actual idea rather than doing it.

Take your img builder software and make another coached2riches site. Call it internet goldmine. Or maybe student profit. Or how about net worth? Just like the apprentice team. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Well, we set ourselves apart from most other get rich quick schemes because we don't promise anyone riches over night. It has taken us several years to build a solid business and know that it takes hard work for anyone to build their own business and find their niche. We offer the following information to point out our company strengths.

We offer marketing services from experienced online marketers so that our clients have a support system for marketing their own products. One poor thing I saw from any other business start up program was that most programs only provided ebooks or outdated information on how to market products online. We decided to staff our training team with marketing support as well as simple technical support so that we could be completely flexible for our clients needs. We offer phone support, email support, live web chat, and conference call training. You'd be hard pressed to find a training program that gives full phone access to their training staff.

We too have seen poor "wholesale" product services but I can assure you that Overstock.com is a head and shoulders step above anything else out there. Our determining factor for selecting a wholesale product vendor was taking a look at whether the products sold from their site. It does no one any good if we give people access to 10,000+ products that don't sell. As stated in previous rebuttals Overstock.com did nearly half a billion in product sales last year which is the best proof you can get for whether their products can be bought and sold. I can guarantee you that Overstock.com had to be legitimate before they could become a PUBLICALLY TRADED COMPANY. You can't just become publicly traded in a week. I can only hope that other people reading your complaints can see that knocking eBay and knocking Overstock.com (both well established businesses) isn't a real strength to your argument.

You also keep stating that scams promise people to make "easy money". We don't promise our client big money, easy money, or anything like that. We simply say that we'll provide you with a viable product solution, a viable marketing place (eBay sold $34 billion worth of products last year which definitely proves their products sell- McDonald's did $19 billion worldwide last year so I'd say that eBay is more than a credible marketplace), we promise a competent marketing staff who can answer questions of our clients who are researching products, and we promise a well tested and established web builder solution.

We've seen all the junk out there for small business start ups and would agree there is a lot of junk out there, and we are upset to say the least that instead of doing due diligence on our program we are just lumped into a "scam" or "fraudulent" group of businesses. We don't "peddle" anything. Our services are generally sold simply on a monthly service fee of $59.95 which covers hosting, marketing coaching hotline, product access, etc. We decided that we would do a monthly service fee because then we'd be forced to service our customers. We'd only make money if we provided good services and our customers decided to stay with us. Our success is dependent on our client's happiness which is really what sets us apart from the companies that we feel you are lumping us into. You say that we'll be answering to "somebody" and we say we aren't afraid to answer to anyone because we have real support and a real model for making money on the internet. We care about our customers and want them to succeed because as stated above, we don't make money unless they stick around and keep using our small business services.

I'd be happy to send you testimonials of people who have made money with our training services and we are confident that anyone who follows our coach's advice and uses our training resources can make money on the internet too. We've been using the coaching hotline training model for the past year and half and are sure that if we didn't provide any real value we'd be out of business. We are also confident that people who do not call our coaches and use our resource will not make any money and have no right make any statements about our legitimacy. As the old saying goes "don't knock it until you try it". We don't feel that someone has "tried" our services until they have called and spoken with our training staff or even attempted to list a product on eBay. Even if you have problems listing products on eBay we still feel that with honest effort combine with the live phone support of our training staff will create winning combination when you are marketing a viable product. We never have a problem finding a marketing solution for our hard working customers.

We may not change your mind about the legitimacy of our program but we are credible and we do have a legitimate business model for our customers to follow if they choose.

Let me start by explaining reality to this coached 2 riches fraud.

The federal agencies just completed a roundup of these fake business opportunities and work-at-home scams. It was called Project Biz Opp Flop. Here's the link.

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2005/02/bizoppflop.htm

One of the defendants was running a surplus goods brokerage business. Gee, just like overstock, huh?

In all cases, the frauds made big promises to the victims about making tons of easy money. In fact, the only people who actually made any money were the frauds themselves.

So, tell us, mr coached2riches, what exactly are you peddling? What's it cost? And does your program actually produce any income for anyone else besides you?

You see, unless you can do that, I got a feeling your victims will look up the agencies involved in this bust. After enough of them put your name on the list, you can count on one thing.

You'll be part of the next biz opp flop bust!

You'll be answering to somebody. If not the readers on this site, then the Federal Trade Commission, or the Department of Justice. So, I suggest you come here and practice what you plan to say before they come pounding on your door with a search warrant and a cease and desist order.

If you read my response you'd see exactly where people are making money on the internet. Overstock sold a half a billion in products last year on their website. I don't see anything scandalous about that.

Ebay sold $34 Billion worth of product on their website last year. To call that entire enterprise a scam is just ignorant.

As I stated before, we don't charge $3,000 for our program and I can guarantee that you don't have a credit card statement that shows we charged that amount.

I wish more of your comments warranted a response; however, too many of your comments are inaccurate and gross generalizations. All of our services are performanced based which means if you ever have a problem with our services you just cancel. As indicated by a response from a prior customer, in the event of a billing error we take the appropriate action.

Thanks Paul, Going to my credit card company was the first thing I did. But I kept on the company sending them emails a few times a day showing them that yes I did cancel the introduction offer that they said I didn't cancel. Which is why they charged me the 59.95. And yesterday I finally got a email saying they credited back my 59.95. My words of advise if you know you are right and you are simply not trying to get over on them, fight them until you win.

Look what happens you will win.

Jennifer, you should have gone to your credit card issuer and had the charges reversed!

What are you, a millionaire that you can afford to throw money away and get nothing in return?

If you took $60 from me, I'd have called up the credit card company and told them in no uncertain terms that I have no intention of paying the money. That would get them to reverse the charge alright! They sure ain't stupid enough to hand their money away.

If you won't pay, the card company gets stuck with the bill. There's no way the company is going to sit back and let that happen. They're not idiots.

You know, I'm simply amazed at how easily people hand away their money. There are no threats of violence. You don't need a gun. All it takes to cheat people is a fake bill.

No wonder there's so much fraud!

Look how easy people hand away their money! And, get nothing in return! Absolutely nothing. And, they sit there and take it. It's like a slap in the face! Or getting spit on.

Until people stand up and say hell no, you ain't getting my money, this exact same thing is going to keep going on.

Learn to stand up for yourself. Don't hand your money away without a fight!

I wanted to point out to you that I also was taken by this company not by as much as you but just under $60.00. I sent many emails to cancel. They state they never recieved it so they charged me $60.00. It was not until I threatened to contact my credit card company, then they said they will cancel my account but will not refund my money.

This company sucks and so does the customer service.

Notice how the fraud came here too? He knows your complaint will cost him money. Big money. As soon as the search engines index your complaint, it'll come up whenever anyone searches for coached 2 riches. He can kiss the next $3000 goodbye.

Dude, just the name alone tells you it's fraud. Coached 2 riches? How about some of these?

Million dollar sites.
Access 2 profit.
Eazy street designs.
Web goldmine.

See how they all promise big money. That's always fraud!

Plus, the location. Everybody running the web counseling con comes from Utah. You'd have to read all the fraud here to know that, though.

Trust me, there's no easy money on the internet. The people who made money did it by scamming somebody on eBay. Buyer sent $10,000 and received worthless junk or nothing at all.

If there was money to be made, this fraud would be doing it. Instead, he's hustling naive college students for $3,000 each. You're the source of money. You, and others like you. Not the internet.

We are sorry to hear about the problems you experienced but don't feel any of your comments are accurate.

First, Overstock.com has proven to be an excellent product source as they reported $494.6 million in products sales from their website in 2004. Those are public numbers and you are free to look into them I'd say that their products sell for sure. Also, you are correct in saying that anyone can be an affiliate of Overstock.com; however, we have a special discount rate higher than any other affialates out there so our relationship is unique. No one can get products through Overstock.com cheaper than through our relationship.

Second, our customer service is available 9 am to 8 pm MST, Monday through Friday by phone, web chat, email, and fax. If you contacted us between those hours by one of those 4 methods I'm sure you'd have spoken with a customer service representative.

Third, we don't charge any customers anything close to a $3,000 fee so we are confused about how we are responsible for a loss totalling that amount. We checked our records and we could not find any students by the name of Nicolas from San Jose, CA in our Coached 2 Riches member database.

Fourth, this is the first complaint we've seen on the materials we provide to our students. Our web builder hosts over 40,000 customers/businesses and you can only support that many clients on a system if it works well and people are happy with it.

We are sorry to see that you had a poor experience with our company and we'd be curious to see what actions you took based on our materials to actually try some of the methods we teach. Many of our customers are satisfied with their investment when we simply teach them about the tax savings they gain by running a home-based business.

Sincerely,