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Complaint Review: Dave Thornton - Internet Quebec

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  • Reported By: Michel J. — Saint-Mathieu-du-Parc Quebec Canada
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  • Dave Thornton Internet, Quebec Canada

Dave Thornton David Thornton, CBNow, GatorDave Unpaid rent, unauthorized photos, recordings, abuse, misrepresentation Internet, Quebec Canada

*Author of original report: Thornton on the go again...

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: False Allegations - Michel Grenier

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On spring 2011, my wife and myself invited Dave Thornton to start a fresh and positive new life by coming to our property, located south of Quebec City. At that time, he was talking about killing himself and nobody from his family seemed to care.

We met him on the Internet many years ago when he was fighting Ponzi schemes. I created a Foundation for him since he was completely unorganized. I also created source codes from scratch for his new Web Site called cbnow.org or crimebustersnow.org . I have done that for free in order to help him. We also helped him on the Board of his Foundation until we resigned from it after having received death threats from a scammer.

At the end of June 2011, Thornton finally decided to move to Quebec and I arranged a trip to Toronto, with my son, 2 of my friends and my 2 cars so we could move him out from the small dirty room where he was living in a basement, in Oakville, near Toronto. There was garbage on his bed and all around. It was horrible ! So... we bought plastic bags and cardboard boxes at Home Depot and packed all of his stuff in the 2 cars.

Thornton finally arrived to our property on July 1st, with one of his friends and his remaining stuff.

Just before he arrived, we just bought another property, on June 21st, which we are slowly converting to an Artists Center, called the WebMusic-MusiqueWeb International Center, since we love to work with independent artists.

We moved there at the end of July 2011 and rented a room to Thornton, with shared spaces, at our other property. Thornton could come to the new one when he wanted to, if there was availability.

Thornton started to repair different things on his own. We didn't know at all he could do repairs before he moved with us.

He started buying and buying and buying tools and materials and initiating numerous unfinished jobs and charged my credit card up to around $18 000 until I put a stop on it. 

He was mad after me since he could no more have a free lunch.

On November 1st 2011, he moved all of his tools to our other property, at night, without warning, without our consent and knowledge, since he suddenly was afraid to be caught by the Police, because I had guns at my property and it was a breach to his bail conditions.  

We had no basement or proper spaces for his tools at our other property. He moved the tools under the car port and inside the living and dining rooms. We were not very happy about the situation. He stayed all of the winter and spring there without us seeing him. 

During the time he was living at our new property, some of our belongings started missing, including keys, so we were happy that he moved to the other one.

One day that we were visiting him, we saw that he changed the locks of the bedrooms doors he had not rented at all and refused us to access them, which is pretty unusual for a normal person having nothing to hide.

When he was staying at our new property, he was asking my wife to drive him to the city to buy groceries and tools. She waited hours and hours after him and he started pointing his fingers to her face and shouting after her at 9 occasions, without my knowledge.

At the end of May 2012, my wife was on the verge of a nervous breakdown and I brought her with me for 4 days on the Maine coast to know what was going wrong. She started crying and I finally learned what Thornton was doing in my back, trying to split our couple.

I said to him that it was not the kind of life we were interested in and, if we was not changing his behaviour fast, he would have to find another place to stay.

My sister was needing a place to stay so I decided to rent her our other property and moved Thornton back to our new property with all of his tools, at our own expenses, at the end of October 2012.

Thornton had accumulated tons of garbages under the car port, for months, and the Municipality contacted us about the situation and warned us that the house and the car port should not be used as a warehouse, which we solved when Thornton came back here.

My wife also said to me that she thought Thornton was recording her, in the car, and us, at home, but we could not catch him and prove it.

We agreed together that she would make believe to play his play, which she did for months.

Since he had no car, Thornton asked me to pay his rent through the PayPal system. He has done that for months without any apparent problems.

On February 1st 2013, since Thornton had now an operational car, I asked him to pay us in cash instead. He seemed worried and tried to postpone the moment he would go to his bank. He asked me to prepare a 1-year lease agreement for our other property. We were negotiating about that on February 5-6. I prepared the agreement, according to his choices and signed it. He asked me to wait until the next day to sign it.

The next day, he sat in front of me and said that he would not sign the lease agreement at all. He accused me to have used his credit card without his consent and that he called PayPal and that PayPal could freeze our account if he were calling them back.

I was astonished and could not believe it ! I have been to my computer and checked our account. It had been temporary frozen by PayPal on February 4th, meaning that Thornton was not fair at all when he was making believe to negotiate in good faith with us about renting our other property.

I was really mad and I left Thornton know clearly my point of view and asked him to find another place to stay for March 1st.

I have been to bed at 10 pm and the phone started ringing at 1 o'clock in the morning, 6 times in a row. It was Thornton, panicking and asking me not to contact his probation officer in Toronto since it would cost him thousands of dollars and, maybe jail. He asked me how much it would cost him to stop me from calling his probation officer. I said to him that we just wanted to contact PayPal and say to them it was a misunderstanding and everything was OK. I also wanted him to pay his rent for February, nothing else.

I said to him that I was coming downstairs just to discover that he was no more at the house. He was in a Tim Horton's not very far from Quebec City. He said that he would call me back at noon. He called me back around noon and said that he was continuing his claims with PayPal and will never pay his rent for February, and that, if I was not not happy, just to sue him.

I contacted PayPal about the 2 months Thornton complained about at first and they shared our point of view. For the 3d month, October  2012, the matter is still under review.

In conclusion, or Thornton is a well-oiled crook or he is a very sick sour man. I'm not a doctor but I would say that he his a schizophrenic, paranoid, delusional man. We don't know for sure yet.

What we know is that we caught him for sure when he gave my wife, just after finishing packing up and loading his truck, on Saturday February 23, a CD with 9 unauthorized recordings of her and him, thinking he would succeed in breaking up our marriage, which he completely failed to, since I was aware of his old tricks and behaviours since the end of May 2012. We now have the proofs that we were looking for, for months...

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Thornton on the go again...

AUTHOR: Michel J. Grenier - ()

POSTED: Saturday, February 07, 2015

Thornton, a (((REDACTED)) does not stop his harassment.

After trying to put me in jail two times, one in Shawinigan, QC, where he failed completely, his file having been rejected by the Crown Attorney, the second one in Quebec City, where he failed again, the two policemen having decided not to even file his complaint to the Crown Attorney.

Thornton is now trying to (((REDACTED))) and causing me problems under his " Big Plan ".

Police people do not even want to listen to him again. They don't want to be bothered with false claims.

He tried to push my former wife to sign papers against me.

He is now living in a small room, in Quebec City, trying to make trouble to many people.

He is still using, fraudulently, my aown ddress as the address of his Foundation on the Quebec Government Registrar's site.

He has become a sour and sick man.

So... be aware about that guy !

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False Allegations - Michel Grenier

AUTHOR: David - ()

POSTED: Friday, July 05, 2013

 It is too bad this vicious attack was posted on Ripoff Report placing me in a position of having to defend myself. The people who wrote this report are scammers and liars. Many of their former friends back me up on that. When I moved into their property to do renovations, the place was filthy. Much worse than it had been when I saw it a year previously. They had 6 cats confined to the only bathroom urinating and defecating on the floors and cupboards and scratching deep grooves into the woodwork and walls which I repaired like new. They had cats living and sleeping in their bedroom with them urinating on the floor and their bed clothes. The place reeked. It took months to get the smell out of these rooms. The same situation now exists at their newly acquired property. Visitors complain of the stench. The car port was closed in with unsightly plastic tarps, which the municipality finally ordered them to remove and filled with their garbage which they simply left behind for me to dispose of after their assurances that it would be cleaned up before I moved in. They took the recycle and garbage bins with them. Since this vicious diatribe written by Michel Grenier, Paypal did in fact return to my credit card some $1,600 taken without my knowledge or permission and illegally deposited into the “Together Foundation” and WM-MW Web Music Scam of Michel Grenier his wife and a “board of directors.” On or about March 27-28, 2013 about a month subsequent to the posting of this horrendous diatribe on Ripoff Report Michel Grenier was arrested by Quebec police for his assault on me. These people are unbelievable. They extorted 10’s of thousands of dollars in labour from me controlling me like a slave: So easily done. It was made abundantly clear that if I did not conform to their wishes, all they had to do was call police claiming I had assault Patricia Grenier and I would go straight to jail. In Ontario Canada that is true. This happened before. My case is currently before the Ontario Court. I publically blew the whistle on a number of police officers, lawyers, government personnel, politicians, etc, running pyramid schemes. Trumped up charges of assault were filed against me. A man accused of assault in Ontario and perhaps other Canadian Provinces is considered guilty and must prove he didn't commit the crime even when there is no physical evidence to substantiate the charge and only the word of one person. It’s written in law with the “fancy title,” “Reverse Onus”… the onus on the accused to prove he did not commit the crime of assault: Essentially impossible so to do. Can anyone prove they did not commit an assault? Asking for physical evidence to prove the assault is considered immaterial: Totally unnecessary. A man is considered guilty unless he can somehow prove his innocence; and this scenario is being repeated daily at an alarming rate against men for any number of motivating factors. It is very effective against innocent whistle-blowers. Michel and Patricia Grenier knew my case well, and how easily a man can be put in jail on false allegations of assault. Michel Grenier his wife Patricia, who claims she owned a security company already know many other loopholes in the system and attempt to play them to the hilt. Problem is this time they have overplayed their hand leaving a trial of evidence not realizing they were being recorded. Note: The laws on recording apply across Canada unlike the U.S. where some states allow recording of your personal conversations without informing the other party while other forbid it; in Canada as long as you are a party to the conversation, regardless of the number of people in a conversation is legal to record without informing anyone. As you can see in their devious diatribe, by claiming they were recorded without their permission insinuates it is illegal. They know better, but simply trying to “blindside” the public to buy into their despicable lies. It was only after charges of assault were laid against her husband that in retaliation Patricia Grenier then attempted to lay charges of assault against me. The Quebec police weren’t buying it. Unlike Ontario police they asked if I wanted to make a statement. I explained some of vicious, bizarre, threatening and disgusting content in the dozens of recordings I had garnered for about a year from these two bizarre scammers and extortionists. With my explanation and the fact these fraud artists had also attempted to lay bizarre criminal charges against me of “Break and Enter” into one of their “rundown disgusting properties” and the theft of an old used refrigerator worth nothing more than 25 or $30 particularity when I had left them a washer dryer and stove which they were supposed to supply in their agreement, but later, like other agreements reneged on, the police concluded that they had more than reasonable probable cause to arrest Michel Grenier. These scam artists also related stories of revenge and attacks on other individuals: how they had a friend who could hack and destroy websites. It was clear by their words and actions that if I were to leave they would trump up evidence in an attempt to have me jailed on charges of Assault, Break and Enter, Theft, Assault, Extortion, and anything else they could conjure up which in fact they did. So for my protection, fearing being incarcerated on trumped up charges and better learned from previous experience I submitted to their demands and began to garner video evidence and audio recordings and pictures of their conspiracy. Their false allegation posted on Ripoff Report now prove their premeditated intent. This woman is so vicious she tells a story of beating a young child with a stick, without the knowledge of this young child’s parents because the child apparently hit a live turkey with the same stick. She laughs when she tells how the child crying, fell on a rock, additional “divine retribution” on this young child she figures. Her telling this cruel story I also have on a recording. Michel Grenier’s nephew, a somewhat quiet and nervous fellow complained of being bullying into dragging a heavy snow-blower up a set of winding stairs to the roof. Michel Grenier berated him calling him a “f****t.” Laughing, and intended as a lesson, Grenier later described this incident. That I also recorded. His nephew was later nearly killed when they bullied him into moving items from the attic. He fell some 10 feet straight down from the hole in the attic floor to the floor below amongst a pile of debris within inches of a four-drawer metal filing cabinet. He complained that his uncle stole his inheritance money. Patricia Grenier stole my wallet with my credit cards, birth certificate, money and personal papers and in a bizarre attempt at diversion blamed the theft on the ghost of her husband’s sister who she claims moves thing quite often and also visits sitting in a rocking chair smoking. “You can see the chair move and even smell the smoke” she and he husband insist. After directing the ghost of her sister-in-law to bring back my wallet, she claims to have had a dream revealing where it was; magically it turned up under some clothing in my dresser drawer where she claims the ghost of her sister-in-law hid it. It was originally in the other room by my computer when it went missing. That is recorded. She even accused one man of having sex with his cat. That also recorded. She makes up rumors like this daily. She constantly picks fights with waitresses and staff at stores bragging of having succeeded in having some fired (likely more lies) but she does pick on anyone including struggling students, causing scenes in stores attempting to get these kids fired. Not wanting a scene managers with allow them concessions like returning items well past warranty etc. She brags about her husband’s “famous letters” he sends to managers and owners of these establishments: Their posting on Ripoff report a prime example of their Method of Operation. I have recordings of Patricia crying relating how her husband was abusing her; having affairs, throwing batteries at her, locking her out of the living area of their matrimonial home, telling her she was brought there to work for his foundation. He attempts to run this organization like a common cult. She finds herself trapped, having alienating her own family and former friends with her bizarre behavior. They are both abusive and deserving of each other. These people are dangerous should be avoided. Michel Grenier has boasted of being a former executive of the DSA (Direct Sellers Association) and is involved in pyramid schemes. David Thornton Canadian Whistle-Blower www.crimebustersnow.com

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