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Report: #249499

Complaint Review: Elizabeth Kuhn - Woodstock Georgia

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  • Elizabeth Kuhn 185 Stockwood Drive Suite 100 Woodstock, Georgia U.S.A.
  • Phone: 770-517-0045
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Hait & Eichelzer Attorneys At Law Divorce attorney takes $1,500 retainer,withdraws from case and keeps $1,500 Woodstock Georgia

*General Comment: Answer to the anonymous coward calling me a "false" advocate

*Consumer Comment: Answer to Steven L. Turner

* : Question for for the false "advocate" for the deaf

* : Run for your money...Hait & Eichelzer, Attorneys-at-Law

* : Another Answer to Steven Turner lies!

* : Retaliation

*Consumer Comment: Goodbye

*Consumer Comment: About Germany

*Consumer Comment: Just a few more questions

*Consumer Comment: Response to both Tim and Dianne

*Consumer Comment: Response to both Tim and Dianne

*Consumer Comment: Response to both Tim and Dianne

*Consumer Comment: Answer to Prosecute Threat!

*Consumer Comment: PROSECUTE threats

*Consumer Comment: Honorable Man

*Consumer Comment: A more detailed response

*Consumer Comment: wait ...one more comment

*Consumer Comment: Thank you for all the information I need to prosecute

*Consumer Comment: Angela in Woodstock and Steven L. Turner

*Consumer Comment: Hundreds of ADA Violations found in Atlanta

*Consumer Comment: Hundreds of ADA Violations found in Atlanta

*Consumer Comment: Hundreds of ADA Violations found in Atlanta

*Consumer Comment: Obama celebrates the 19th anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990

*Consumer Comment: Obama celebrates the 19th anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990

*Consumer Comment: Obama celebrates the 19th anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990

*Consumer Comment: Obama celebrates the 19th anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990

*Consumer Comment: Update

*Consumer Comment: Elizabeth Kuhn will rip you off

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I hired Elizabeth Kuhn of Hait & Eichelzer, Attorneys-at-Law to represent me in a divorce case. At my first meeting with her I told her that I thought my husband and I would be able to come to an agreement regarding the division of our property, without a messy court case. She said that it would cost around $1,500 if it didn't go to court.

I paid her a $1,500 retainer and she said that I would be sent a statement each month showing how much had been used and what it had been used for.

The first statement I received included a charge of $25.00 for her sending me a thank you letter for retaining her services! Unbelievable! She charged me $770.00 to draft the papers that would be filed with the court and served on my husband.

The papers were a joke! They were filled with errors. In one place, they didn't even have the correct name of my husband. It was obvious they were fill in the blank and you would think for $770.00 they could have filled in the blanks correctly.

The papers she had served to my husband were only intended to make him angry and want to go out and hire an attorney so we could both spend thousands of dollars on attorney fees. One of the requests she made to him was "For all purchases of pornagraphic material purchased by you during the term of the marriage, please list the item purchased, date of purchase, from whom purchase was made and the amount of the purchase."

After I called her and expressed my disappointment regarding the errors and the tone of the letter to my husband, she reduced the charges to $595.00. I also told her that my husband was working out of state and we were trying to come to an agreement on the settlement. I advised her that I would not call or e-mail her to give her an update, because each time I e-mailed her, it cost me $39.00 for her to read it and it cost $58.50 to talk to her on the phone. She agreed to put it on hold until she heard from me. At this time, she had spent $1,099.00 of the $1,500.00 retainer I had paid.

Several months passed and my husband and I had pretty much agreed on everything and set up a meeting with her at her office. During this meeting when we were discussing the cost of my health insurance, which my husband had already agreed to pay for the first year after the divorce, she pointed out to him that I would have to go under Cobra and it would be very expensive. She then looked at me (her client) and asked me if I would be willing to pay for half of it. At one point during the meeting, she actually openly flirted with my husband.

Bottom line is, we went to her office with an agreement and left her office with issues unresolved. Immediately after this my husband took another job out of state and I didn't see or talk to him for months at a time. I again told her we would try to work it out and let her know when we reached an agreement.

Several months passed and the next thing I know, I receive a copy of a motion she filed with the court stating her intention to withdraw from the case.

I e-mailed her and asked her why and she said it was because I hadn't paid my bill. I said what bill... you have $1,500 of my money and according to the last statement I received which was 5 monthys ago, you had used $1,099.00 of it. What about the other $401.00? She responded that I was wrong. The $1,500 I paid her as a retainer was to be held and paid towards my final bill. I was expected to pay the $1,099.00 if I wanted her to stay on the case.

This was completely different from the way she explained it to me in our initial meeting. I didn't have $1,099.00 more to pay her and so she removed herself from the case, and kept the rest of my money.

People like her are the reason why attorneys have such a bad reputation. Her only interest in my case was in hopes that it would be a long drawn out battle and she would suck about $10,000 more out of me before it was over. When she realized that she wasn't going to make any more money on me, she ditched me as a client and kept my $1,500.00.

Rose
Woodstock, Georgia
U.S.A.

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#29 General Comment

Answer to the anonymous coward calling me a "false" advocate

AUTHOR: Steven turner - ()

POSTED: Sunday, July 27, 2014

Enough time has passed and I feel a thorough answer should be given.

Firstly, I am not a "false" deaf advocate. I am a Georgia Public Service Commission Advisory Board Member with the GATEDP program. I also graduated with 173 credits from Gallaudet University, having completed all of my course requirements in August of 2003. My degree has 4 signatures on it. One of those 4 signatures is from the President of the United States.

I have fully identified myself, and have waited .. and waited ... for you to fully identify yourself. But no worries, I know EXACTLY who you are.

Now that I have thoroughly addressed that malicious attack on my character and integrity, allow me to thoroughly answer your question.

The Cobb County Sheriff's Department did not put her with any other prisoners. They did not even strip search her when she arrived. They put her in her own room, and let her read and watch TV. There were several remarks made by Deputies on how ridiculous and stupid it was for the judge in this case to have ordered her to jail. I will not name names - as his ego knows no bounds. Perhaps it was your intended goal to traumatize her further? It worked. She was traumatized by the entire event and now she has problems trusting anyone. Happy?

Now, moving ahead, there were a few additional discoveries made in the course of time between our coorespondence. One of the above respondents to this thread is no longer alive. This would be the former mother in law. Also, the violently abusive ex husband is no longer alive. (According to News Reports and a neighbor, as well as a homicide detective, he was shot by his mother after they had been arguing. She then shot 4 - I think- family dogs, set the house on fire then took her own life).

But hey, I tried to prevent that ... I testified how mentally unstable his family was. I take no pleasure in "being right". I also place 100% of the blame on Alex Hait. Their blood is on his hands, not mine.

Just look at the public records on file - compare my testimony to that of the "Tim" from above. I was called a liar and a paranoid schiozophrenic by Alex. I was also threatened by Alex.

I do not take kindly to threats Alex.

Would you mind filling in the gaps? Tell us all what happened? Please inform the public at large how the Law Firm of Hait and Eichelzer et al screwed up two families and two people winded up dead? How did that happen if your client was a Campbell's Soup Angel that wouldn't ever hurt a fly since you depicted him in this fashion?

And, while you are at it, please explain how how you "justified" in not only victimizimg a DV victim even further, but how you could honestly and legally charge 300% more than normal since the plaintiff, the defendant and majority of the witnesses were deaf? Because the professionals I have spoken to said that is a violation of the ADA. It was a crime.

Also, explain what your client was doing with the defendant's photographs. I'd like to hear it from you. Because we all now know, that it was you coaching him.

The woman he was having an affair with throughout the trial (you know the one) well ... her parents called us. They had a lot of questions about you. They also happen to be disability attorneys. They have failed to come to an understanding how you are even practicing law.

Just an FYI

I will no longer be responding to malicious thieves and murderes. This will be my last rebuttal. I am married and have a son now - so don't be threatening me again Alex - it would be most unwise.

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Question for for the false "advocate" for the deaf

AUTHOR: shinystar - (USA)

POSTED: Thursday, September 10, 2009

From the spider web that the deaf community has created...Word gets around very well. I am sure you are experienced with it. I have done my research and know what is the truth or lie.


 


Here is what I want to know...


 


HOW DID YOUR GIRLFRIEND ENJOY BEING IN JAIL FOR 48 HOURS?? I bet she was a HOOT with the other inmates.

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Run for your money...Hait & Eichelzer, Attorneys-at-Law

AUTHOR: The Enemey Defeater! - (USA)

POSTED: Friday, August 28, 2009

This lady is absolutely correct. My children's mother worked with this firm and Alexander Gray Hait, but Elizabeth Kuhn is right there with him every step of the way. To be fair, I heard Eichelzer is a stand up guy and I have no clue why he's attached to these other SNAKES other than for financial gain. He does PI, which is a separate entity, but under the same umbrella. Let's get back to Alexander Gray Hait and Elizabeth Kuhn; they are great at what they do.....and that's running a legal CON!!! They charge you by the phone call, by the email, and don't stare too hard. They sell false hopes, and deliver disappointments. I am the opposing client, and know I don't suppose to like them, but Alexander Gray Hait called himself helping my kids, only to rob there mother for $13,000 dollars. He did absolutely nothing to better the situation, just promoted disharmony. He did nothing for the best interest of my children. He did the same thing to me as he did for the other father in the previous report. He asked for porn receipts and what've down loaded and such. just for the record Porn robs men from true intimacy with their wife and is also self idolatry. I don't do it nor m********e....check my records, PCs, or whatever. Oh, I like women but I know my boundaries and what my Lord requires of real men. Back to him, he uses the same templates from case to case, just "changing the names" like the lady stated earlier and request ton of money to make you think he has put some effort in your case. They are good with overwhelming the opposing party with unnecessary paperwork. But you better believe he will charge you for every page he skims through. And Oh, the false allegations that he brings to the table. Again, he's playing off of emotions b/c in family situations when kids are involved, emotions run high. He tried to lock me up for being 90K back in child support, when the mother and I had an agreement outside of the courts. THANK GOD I was taught to keep good records, because if not, he would have put a GREAT FATHER/DAD (ALL OF THE ABOVE) in jail. For 90K "a dude just did 16 mths in GA for 16K and the kid was not his. This dude is a complete jerk, I know of his obsession w/ porn and goblins, hobbits, and goons, I know an ex employee. IT'S TIME TO GROW UP! Run for your money!  She's back $13,000, nothing got accomplished, and we have to start over. Oh, I'm glad he robbed the crap out of her, but on the same foot, that's money taken away from my children to feed his lil goblins at home. "Eeewww Dad, let's play Dungeons and Dragons." I know truth when I hear it, I smelled deceit at the first glance of this snake. RUN. there may be many more victims, but victims do not always speak up b/c they do not think their voice will be heard or if it matters. TRUST a brother of the Lord Jesus Christ (your brother)...RUN! They have no class or moral ethic, but put on great front.  DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH Hait & Eichelzer, Attorneys-at-Law.

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Another Answer to Steven Turner lies!

AUTHOR: Chichi in georgia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 27, 2009

Ok, I said we were through with you.  But, you continue your lunacy!

Dear Lord, you are so mental! We told the complete truth and you are a LIAR and a CRIMINAL! You are a wife ABUSER and we have proof of the Judges final decision against you!  Get a copy of your own TPO and the Judges decision!  Also, whereby, the presiding Judge forced you, remanded you to complete a year of ANGER MANAGEMENT classes.  YOU told our son about it when it happened!  Remember, when you and he were still friends before you took up with J.G.  Sex and money thats her to you!

You are liable for T.T.s problems.  He dodged a TPO today only because the other man could not afford a high priced lawyer and did not know about PRO BONO.  However, he does now!  You are the one complaining about people spending so much on lawyers.  Well, how about your good buddy, the sex offender.  A child molester!  And, his lawyer who was charged and convicted of money laundering but won an appeal and got off!  That doesnt mean he is innocent!!  Sounds like your kind of people!!  T.T. hasnt gotten away with his mean emails which amount to his accosting people and using the worst language possible!  I wonder what your father, the ordained minister, would think of that kind of language!  And, you condone it!  Well, it might not be over yet.  He won a skirmish but the war lingers!  His email abuse of our son will not be tolerated and this timethere will be a high priced lawyer there!  Lets see how that goes!  Travel lightly!  Remember, I have MORE MONEY than any of you!

You have committed extreme lying, defamation of character, libelous remarks, slander and false accusations against our son on this website.  In J.G.s own Deposition, she said and again in court that her husband did not rape her!!!!!!  Look at the legal papers Steve!!!   Lawyers, Judges, Mediators cannot all be wrong. You, rather, believe that you are right! Just because you have involved the Disabilities Office and whoever else you allege, does not mean you are right. It is HER case, why are you so extremely demanding on her behalf? Does sleeping together have anything to do with it? My tax dollars are going toward your misuse and abuse of the Disabilities Law. Make no mistake I will be there to defend MY TAX DOLLARS!

J.Gs statement on this website accusing our son of rape is being researched, in order, to file a civil liberties lawsuit. Of course, we know that she presented that information and accusation through you, therefore, she is held responsible.  Does she have the funds to defend herself in court?  Or, does she intend to present the circus-like atmosphere as in the last one?

Why have you not addressed nor answered our last statements and questions on this website? Are you too busy misusing and abusing the Federally funded Disabilities Office and services?

Why do you continue to evade our questions about your criminal background, while still haucking the stupid remarks about an inheritance? Any inheritance came about while our son was gainfully employed and a single man. At the time, that he married your live-in girlfriend he had already spent a huge chunk of his inheritance on her!! She knows it! Most of the money was spent on her! Get over it! You are just so very jealous! He told the truth and the people who are in charge made a decision! Again, get over it! Those were MY and HIS tax dollars!

Our retaliation?????  Lets see - what did you say in your email -------oh yes, this is in retaliation for the judges decision regarding your live-in girlfriend, the current ex-wife of our son.  That clearly, says that you are acting in retaliation not us.  Why dont you let her handle her own case?  Since you are sleeping with her, you apparently feel it is your case also!

Once again, Steve, we advise you and her rather than spending all your waking hours with this revenge toward our son, us, our sons court witnesses the lawyers and the presiding judge, use the time and effort to search out and obtain free mental health care for you both.  That would be tax payers money well used.  I have wondered many times if, while you are in your negatively altered state of mind, considered using those guns illegally and certainly criminally.

You are bad for J.G. and she is bad for you.  The two of you together is absolute lunacy and obvious danger for yourselves and other people!  What will be your actions toward her when she decides to leave you?  And, she will!  She has already been contacting and trying hard to get a man in a close-by county.  Watch out!

Yes, everybody reading this should be certain to go to the very beginning of this website and read every word of it!  Let each person decide who is telling the truth.  Only people who know us and you will be interested.  You would be surprised at how many people have you figured out!  They should decide whether the lawyers or the criminal/taxpayer rip-offs are telling the truth.

Elizabeth Kuhn nor her Law Office ever asked us to get involved with you.  When we saw what you had written on this website, we were eager to express our opinions of you, her and to tell the absolute truth.  Do not try to dig your way out of the mud you have placed yourself and her in, by saying it was Elizabeth Kuhn, the Law Firm, or us that caused it.

Yes, buyer beware as you state, do read all the information and make an personal decision.

We say again talk to our sons lawyers.  Your continued lies, obvious libelous and defaming accusations and statements regarding our son are being looked at and a current investigation is ongoing.  The fact that this website allows for you to make such horrific allegations against our innocent son does not give you absolution.   A complete printout of the posting on this site is being reviewed by the appropriate persons.  You are not in a position to escape a civil lawsuit.  Nor, is she!  You are guilty of slander with your scandalous remarks against our son.  A personal civil lawsuit is in order, based on your horrific lies!  We are much older, wiser and have a lot more money than you.  Our new hobby is paying lawyers!  It is money well spent!

Steve, guns do not make a person better, stronger, respectable, reputable or honorable.  Anybody who has not been incarcerated can legally purchase a gun, anybody.  You, on the other hand, use the item to promote yourself by boasting, bragging, showing off and bullying!  Do you think anybody really cares about your stupid guns?  Do you think all people show pictures of and write about their guns on a website?

Did you ever sit down with your father and talk about your obvious lack of spiritual guidance and attendance at a church?  Does he even know about the terribly negative and vicious turn of your life?  I doubt very much that he knows the whole truth, only the lies you tell him.  Your lies about everybody being out to get you, again, paranoid schizophrenia symptoms come to mind!

You live with a woman who functions at an approximate age of 12-15 depending on the circumstances and situations.  She has caused innumerable problems for her parents, grandparents and family.  She and her ex-husband, our son used to have the exact same friends, however, now she has only her family members, you and a friend or two.  T.B. who was a witness for her in the divorce trial told people that she did not want to testify but that she had been subpoenaed! 

You have so badly influenced T.T. that he is now engaged in yet another court hearing!  He needs to get far away from you the same way D.R. has.  Apparently, D.R. has wised up.  He has been notified that J.G. stated in the courtroom and lied to the judge (again) by saying that D.R. raped her! Everybody, including the Judge knows that they had SEX! And, that there was NO RAPE!  You and she have no conscience, no honor, nor decency and certainly do not conduct yourselves as respectable adults.

You are successfully advising people who are listening to you and whom are suffering the extremely bad consequences!  You need to give up, go away and leave people alone!  Hopefully, the peoples parents will wise up and convince their child to ditch you!  You are poison to other people!  Go to a remote island and peddle your foolishness to the fish!  You know just enough to cause trouble for others and yourself! You are causing T.T. more trouble! He is listening to you and it is working against him.

You would marvel at the volumes of information we currently retain on her cases and your craziness.  It just doesnt seem to go away.  We informed you that we are no longer interested and you continue.  However, you seem more apathetic (in your words) these days.  Never the less, we will be here for the long haul and anticipate your and her next libelous move.  Be advised that the abhorrent lies that she told about me in her Deposition have not gone un-remembered!  A civil lawsuit is being considered as this is written.  Libel, defamation of character and slander were all part of her outrageous accusations.  She thought she could get away with it, well it didnt work and she hasnt gotten away with it! They were conveniently, listed in a LEGAL DOCUMENT!!!   She really messed up.  Thanks to her for making it so easy!  Her own lawyer voluntarily assisted in getting pertinent information from her included into the LEGAL DOCUMENT!

Throughout the whole divorce proceeding she lost!  And, you and she, (with your advising) continue!  It amazes the healthy mind!

You never answered nor made remarks regarding our questions as to:  Who paid the 3 or so years that you attended Gallaudet University in Washington, D.C.?  It was Vocational Rehabilitation!!  It was tax payers money!!  My money!  You can hear well with a hearing aid.  You have bragged on this site to that point.  Why didnt you work and pay your way through school?  A huge number of people do just that.  You could have done so also.  How much did your education cost the taxpayers??  You, need to get over the subject that you continue to refer back to as our sons inheritance.  Any inheritance was mostly spent on your live-in girlfriend, the ex-wife.  Try expensive jewelry, very expensive trips, many, many vacations, eating out all the time at nice restaurants, snow ski equipment, private snow skiing lessons, expensive apartment in Colorado, expensive clothes, her favorite designer, Ralph Lauren, flying her home to visit her parents, paying for her mother and niece to visit Colorado.  He brought her mother out in February 2006, with the intention of her helping with her daughters adultery problems and the mother, to the contrary, wrongly influenced her daughter!  The mother was doing the same thing to J.G.s father!!!!  As stated before, obviously adultery runs in the family.  Like mother, like daughter!  She just told her daughter it was all right!!

You are so very jealous of our sons good fortune in the past.  If you lived a better life possibly you would enjoy some also!  You and your live-in took Federal funds illegally.  Or, in your case, if not illegally, at least immorally!  You took the funds from a truly handicapped or crippled person, who could have used that huge amount of money to have gotten a college education.  She requested and received Federal funds through DOVE!  They have been notified of her fraud, along with the other important pertinent offices, regarding her fraud!

It has been refreshing to finally have the opportunity to relay to you, her and her family the thoughts that we have held back during all the divorce proceedings.  So far, four and counting!

Get over it!  Get a life!  You and she are sickening and pathetic!       

This one is just from me..DIANNE HUTCHESON!!!

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#25

Retaliation

AUTHOR: Steven turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 12, 2009
You said:

"If there is a cyberstalker here it has to be you. You brag at your prowess with computers, writings, researching information, etc. why not a cyberstalker too? Our PC has been crashing and more problems since this stupid relaying with you. We discussed just yesterday that possibly you were hacking into our computer. You know how because you showed our son.

There is no hacking going on but I will tell you that people have been giving us information since this all began in 2006. You sent a message to our son in November, 2006 whereby you stated, Tell him he still has a friend in me. Less than two weeks later you moved her into your bedroom. With friends like that keep your enemies closer. 

Criminal offenses the public has access under the right to access.

Your accusations are so outrageous that we intend to investigate with our lawyers.you know Elizabeth Kuhn and her Law Firm. Remember, the male attorney who represented our son in the Contempt of Court Hearing for your live-in girlfriend? Remember, the Judge sent her to jail for two days and more time after that if she doesn't pay what the Judge ordered."


Rebuttal:

First of all, I did not attend any technical courses for computers such as your son did (at taxpayer's expense while he had an admitted $100,000 inheritance). 


Secondly, I have emails too - and copies of those emails. 

 I am also aware that my original complaint was one in which disability was impermissibly taken into account when your attorney charged 300% more based on an individual, or group of individuals disability. This is a clear violation of ADA law. I am also an individual that is assisting another disabled individual in the free exercise of their rights under this very same law. 

What your doing or planning to do, is an act of retaliation. 


Buyer beware, read orginal complaint and how this law office handles them. If you complain - they will get their clients involved and try to not only incriminate you - but they will sue you too. 
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#24 Consumer Comment

Answer to Steven L. Turner

AUTHOR: Chichi In Georgia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 11, 2009
Just a few more remarks and questions

1. There was no cyberstalking and you have insinuated that our son did it. People who know you two gave us the information and we can prove it! We did nothing to access it. Check out the other people who have a gripe with you. There are many.

2. The only thing we saw posted was on an account that anyone can access.

3. Did you get caught trying to describe yourself as a special agent and are you now trying to lie your way out of it?

4. Professionally altered Photographs do you mean that you, in error, posted a photograph of the gun you looted out of a Katrina victim house. You told our son that you did! That is grand theft!

5. Yeah, I remember that on the way back following you, while you were driving J.G.'s car, I flashed the lights at you to pull over. I then told you that if my son needed anything to let me know. I remember you making the statement that my son had told you that he had been abusive, along with her. I am astonished that you would make that statement and especially since he was not there to defend himself. (Keep in mind that you and your wife were the ones who told our son his wife was having an affair with D.R. You seem to keep forgetting that!) I said to you, Well, when your wife commits adultery that can make tempers flare, but I would ask my son about it to see if it was true. I also remember that being the exact same night that you said to me that you were picking up your motorcycle from J.G.'s Woodstock, Georgia house and you had left my son at your residence. You never returned to your residence night. You spent that night with J.G. at her house. Don't tell me! Roommates again, huh? I don't think so. You two were even plotting your case as early as then. You are a real friend!! Within three weeks you had moved her into your residence and set up housekeeping with her!

6. Then you bring up the erroneous malarkey about RAPE again. I wonder who really got RAPED! Our son has the legal Deposition and the Divorce records whereby, J.G. stated both times that, She was NOT RAPED!! DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE PROOF! ASK HER TO SEE A COPY OF THE FINAL DIVORCE DECREE!!! Remember the Judge ruled on it!!!. OUR SON WON!!!

7. Neither I nor we made any accusations against you. We merely stated the FACTS!!!! about you and her.

According to my son:

1. For your information, my past gambling was strictly legal, as though it was any of your business or J.G.'s! As I clearly recall it was MY MONEY!

2. Affair with ex-wife's mother maybe when pigs fly!

3. The ex-wife placed enormous pressure on my son's marriage.

4. & 5. J.G.'s mother and J.G. are, themselves enormous pressure.

6. I indicated by my own observation and that of others you need professional help.

7. I implied that your hearing loss was not as significant as others, therefore, you could force the military to accept you and do something of significance with your life.

8. What do I need to do here, show you the copy of the TPO on your? Civil Action File #06-CV-2750

9. Not aware of that, maybe I'll check it out one day when I have nothing better to do.

10. Refer to TPO!

11. Apparently, in your mind, adultery is ok you claim your wife committed adultery in your marriage how exactly, did you feel? The wife of one of your best friends ever did the same thing and yet you promptly moved her in with you!

9. If you have a Firearms Permit, maybe you need to work on getting the laws changed. TPO again!

Finally, something we agree on your definition of a crook is totally different from mine. i.e.YOU!

About Germany I certainly am not infatuated with it like you are. I actually served in the military. If you think it's so great, why don't you move there permanently?

You are not interested in working for people with disabilities rights. There are people working for them every day and they expect nothing in return, while you do it for personal recognition and to harass honest people.

You know what really erks me about you Turner I think of my service to this country and especially all those who have fought and given their lives, so that little Banny Roosters like you could live a free life in America and basically do nothing but cause trouble!

I We are through with you!!!!

Go through our lawyers the one that won the divorce case of your girlfriend!

Tim Hutcheson
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#23 Consumer Comment

Goodbye

AUTHOR: Chichi In Georgia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 11, 2009
Oh my goodness, I just read your latest insane writing!

You are completely crazy, insane, deranged, etc., etc., etc.

Everything we wrote is true.

If there is a cyberstalker here it has to be you. You brag at your prowess with computers, writings, researching information, etc. why not a cyberstalker too? Our PC has been crashing and more problems since this stupid relaying with you. We discussed just yesterday that possibly you were hacking into our computer. You know how because you showed our son.

There is no hacking going on but I will tell you that people have been giving us information since this all began in 2006. You sent a message to our son in November, 2006 whereby you stated, Tell him he still has a friend in me. Less than two weeks later you moved her into your bedroom. With friends like that keep your enemies closer.

Criminal offenses the public has access under the right to access.

Your accusations are so outrageous that we intend to investigate with our lawyers.you know Elizabeth Kuhn and her Law Firm. Remember, the male attorney who represented our son in the Contempt of Court Hearing for your live-in girlfriend? Remember, the Judge sent her to jail for two days and more time after that if she doesn't pay what the Judge ordered.

You have accused us of blowing up your car, vandalizing your car and now you had to think really hard to come up with this pile. You are soooo crazy. You are out of control.

No to affair with old, fat A.G. (S.) with the flappy arms.

No to rape- there she goes again. In the divorce case, Attorney, Elizabeth Kuhn specifically asked J.G. did D.R. rape you and she said NO! Now, she is back to saying that both men raped her. You both have lost out and you are back to the old lies. She didn't even know what rape meant in her Deposition during the divorce trial. Her mother told her to say that about our son and D.R. You know that! Did the Judge believe her either time, either man..NO! NO! NO! You are too sick. She stated it took place with her husband at the house in Woodstock. In her Deposition it supposedly took place in their apartment in Colorado. Now, which was it? Does she know? No, because it never took place! She admitted in court that it didn't happen with her husband. Elizabeth Kuhn shot her down! Remember, the Judge was there. He never believed her. The infamous injured knee incident is back. That was finalized in the divorce court. The Judge dropped it. Steve Turner you have no conscience whatsoever. She was not attacked, she was not raped and she was not chocked. If so, why did the Judge not believe any of it? HUH? Because, he found the truth. You are sooo sick but beyond that you are mean! It will be glorious to us when she turns on you, and she will, have no doubt about it.

No to our son broke into your house. First, it is an apartment and we remember distinctly that you said to Tim to (tell our son where you kept the key hidden, the night he walked out after she had been with ChrisM part of the day, the married man with a child from Locust Grove. You were working and later headed out to locate our son. You ended up spending the night with her in the Woodstock house. Our son saw that you never came home that night. Didn't know we knew that, huh? You continue to fabricate falsehoods-----------------you insanely flat out LIE!

No to all of it. You are total nonsense. You are in need of serious mental health care.

There is NO way you have anything saying your current wife did those things. You are still lying! Where is she hiding out from you?? Why is she hiding out from you? Why aren't you divorced?? Your wife has been gone over three years.

Too bad, I think the Sheriff knows better than you. They have the paperwork! All you have is lies, of course you would lie about it!

The photos of your head in tourist holes is real. You were there with your head in those stupid holes. Very charming. Too bad you aren't a real soldier. You chose to just play at it.

You did infer that you were a special agent. Oh yes, you did! Do you want to see the communiqu? Trust me, I have done my research and I have the proof to back up my statements.

The gun you show in the pictures on the internet was looted by you from the Katrina storm area. You told our son this. Also, you stole some bedroom furniture. That is called theft by taking in any state of the union! Did you pull your father's flatbed trailer to use?

Ok, you now admit that you are not a special agent. Too late! You can't just take it back. We have it on paper! Ha, we knew it all along!

Steve just get over her divorce stuff. You would think it was your divorce! Why are you so extremely involved in just a roommate's divorce? Stop chewing on it and lying about it! She LOST! Our son WON! Period! Next subject. The message you posted in the pictures on the utility houses if you win, you still lose. We are certain that wasn't meant toward our sonright? Things have a way of ending up in the Police Station! If our son stumps his toe it will be vigorously investigated. Do you remember my Dad?

You are just toooo funny, stop, stop, you're killing me! My sides are aching! You should be a fiction writer. Fiction is all fabrications, stories and lies! And, sometimes comedy.

Why don't you go and help eliminate the enemy you talked about. Go help those men and women who are dying over there, so that you can go about your little mundane life here without terrorism in our country. They make it possible for you to sit here pulling your crap.

So, you have a Thesaurus! Good for you! You are very busy looking up the big words.

1.) We both have had some fun gambling at a couple of casinos, especially Tunica, Miss. That hotel was gorgeous. I had a great time in the exclusive women's shops. Also, we enjoyed some time at Black Hawk, Colorado. However, now that we are retired and home all the time no more of that fun!

2.) Fat, old A.G. Certainly NOT!

3.) We worked at staying out of their marriage. Her mother, however, continued to try to control and manipulate everything she could. She was the most trouble by a person in their marriage. She even went so far as to tell her daughter, You need to find another man. She would know, since she was having an affair and divorced J.G.'s father. Adultery apparently runs in the family!

4.) Too bad! You sleep around, deal with it. J.G, as you have labeled her, got extremely mad at her mother and wouldn't converse with her for about four months. Does your live-in girlfriend remember that? The son's mother was the one who talked her son into taking his wife back to her family for Christmas in 2005! That was when the daughter stayed without her husband in the Woodstock house with her mother for three days and the brain washing took hold. It was all downhill after that. The daughter started the affair with D.R. the following March, 2006, after having (admitted in court)that she had flirted around with D.R. over the video relay one month before flying to Atlanta and staying with him in Woodstock. She did not stay with her mother, she stayed with D.R. You remember Steve don't you? You were living in that house also with your wife and her young son. You confronted D.R. about the affair with J.G. in that house. You and your wife said she stayed in his bedroom most of the time. You used the worst profanity in the English language when you confronted D.R. about it. He did not deny it! Later, through a mutual friend he sent our son a message that he was sorry. Too Late!

5.) I don't recall such a tale or incident. It must be more of your fabrications.

6.) Just too Stupid!

7.) Profound or not, you are who you are.

8.) NOW, you actually admit that you have a current wife! You are doing better! Your wife attempted to place a restraining order on you? Attempted???? Do you read this stuff that you write? Are you in this world? Man, she did place a TPO against you. If you don't have a copy, go to the Canton, Georgia Sheriff's Department, they will oblige you. The Freedom of Information Act allows a copy to anyone. If you think that is invading your privacy. When you are a criminal you have no privacy.

9.) That can be checked out easy enough!

10.) Let us see the bill you contend you hold paying for your current wife's abortion! I think not!

11.) Having a child out of wedlock you both were married to each other when your extreme abuse caused her to have a miscarriage! Not our words but hers as stated in the TPO against you. I believe her! Why would you have the bill? Was it just laying around on a table a bill for an abortion??? I don't think so! Now, there are women who do that, like J.G.'s good buddy who appeared in court as her only witness (other than family witnesses) and you (her roommate.) She told her previous friend that she had had three abortions, one of them her husband didn't even know about. She asked the previous friend to accompany her to the clinic once. The previous friend, of course, said NO! Again, I believe your current wife, not you. Why would you tell the truth about this? To each other hello! Then why haven't you divorced her and married your live-in girlfriend? You two have been living together since November, 2006. Let's see 2006 2009, coming up on three years. She has already been trying to get another man. He's married of course. Because you're current wife has been in hiding from you since 2006 and you don't know where she is. She is terrified of you and your unregistered gun (as stated in the TPO she took out against you.)

12.) Should we scan the famous TPO into this website? Would you believe your own TPO order then? So what, you have a TPO filed against you! Apparently, you are so far in denial that you are lying through the whole thing here. How can you sit at your computer and type in such lies?

Your legal wife should be here to legally have you committed and have you contained, in order, to have the pertinent medical/psychological tests performed. You are totally out of control. We are in awe of your ability to deny that certain events in your life actually took place.

If we weren't so disgusted with you, we might even feel sorry for you, regarding your mental health issues. You have been around with the ex way too long.

If you currently have a permit for the gun (the one you had when she left) you did not have it when your current wife left you. That was an issue in her TPO against you!! Read and comprehend your own TPO!! In your own words, if you indeed had a TPO you it would not be possible to get a permit for a gun. So, you don't have a permit, right? Or, are you totally confused?

One note here, you have referred many times to people working. Our son worked until he was laid off with a very large company in Atlanta. He worked for a law firm in Colorado. He quit because his job required some travel almost every week and he found out his wife was running around on him. He also had a job working for a company regarding videophone installment for deaf people. He quit that job to attend college and obtain an Information Technologist (IT) education and Certificate. He planned to work in a mountain city in Colorado. He also was hired by a very large communications company and before he could process in (having to wait through the Christmas holidays) there was a 600 person layoff the first of the year and his job was cancelled. He actually worked at two jobs and went to college during the three years they lived in Colorado. Do you want to see the tax records? He has been trying to divorce her for nearly three years. He will finish the other half of his education and he will become an IT. What will you become? He was offered a full four-year scholarship to the University of Colorado but she did not want him to go to school that long. He then chose to go forward with the Information Technologist career. Possibly, he will re-entertain the four year degree at the University of Colorado. He doesn't have her now holding him back.

She to the contrary, never worked a single day in Colorado, even though he advised her she could take a word processing course for free through VR. She would not work! She became angry every time he mentioned it to her. Her days were filled with sleeping late until near noon, watching TV, rental movies, TV programs she had taped and more importantly talking to people, in particular, other men on the video relay system. In one instance, the husband's mother and father were visiting. She insisted that her husband's mother come into their bedroom immediately. She was exhilaratingly happy to show her mother-in-law that she was communicating with D.R. They were having a great flirting time and laughing at her. They are not laughing now. Once again, she accused him on July 28, 2009 during the Contempt of Court Hearing of raping her. If so, why doesn't she ever call the police or go to the emergency room when they allegedly happen? Once again, because they didn't happen!

We do not intend to be your weird pen pal. However, an Old Southern Friday Night Country Smackdown with you and her would be great! However, if you sat on one of us it would all be over!

Enough, now. We weren't going to answer your lunatic raving again but gave it one more time.

Get a life! Go to Church and mean it! Clean up your life! She has dragged you down so badly. I hope we are around when she drops you and drags you through the legal mud, as she has the last two! We sure want to be informed of it! We want to be able to say.We told you so!

Nobody believes you anyway! We have clearly and precisely proven you to be a habitual liar, who obviously has a mental condition. She is out of bounds with her lying. She operates at about a fifteen year old level instead of her 30's.

However You ----- we have never in our lives come into contact with pure EVIL, but that is what you are. Up front pureEVIL! And if you get a laugh out of that, don't. God has a way of bringing you to your knees. What goes around comes around. It always does.

Any further communications of any type from you will be turned over to our attorneys! Again, remember that would be those two that whooped her hinnie! From now on we say blah, blah, blah, blah to you and to her! AND, GET A LIFE!

Tim and Dianne Hutcheson
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#22 Consumer Comment

About Germany

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, August 10, 2009
I would highly suggest you read this book before discussing anything further with me in regards to an interest I have involving Germany - a further clue for you would be that I am hearing impaired and this condition is hereditary. Not only would you have to prove that I am "making up" my disability, you would also have to prove this condition is not hereditary.

My interest is the rights of the deaf and hearing impaired and how they are currently being violated.


"Crying Hands: Eugenics and Deaf People in n**i Germany" by Horst Biesold

If this website allows links, it can be read at the link below:

http://books.google.com/books?id=MPAzWtoHBBYC&dq=crying+hands&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=_9SASr-9ENeutge43KXRCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false
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#21 Consumer Comment

Just a few more questions

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 09, 2009
Are you guys aware that I realize my privacy has been violated and that a certain individual in your family has the ability to "cyberstalk" or "hack"?

For example - read the above comment where you directly quoted something I had said on a private account - also note that nowhere in that comment do I claim that I am a special agent - it was put on this private account knowing full well I was being watched by a cyber stalker. My answer to the two times I was asked if I was a special agent was a firm "no". You might also want to check the date of my posts on this private account in which I say I know I have a cyberstalker. This was posted BEFORE I said anything about being asked if I was a special agent. Dates are very important.

I am also aware that this certain family member of yours has the ability to "professionally" alter photographs. This can be seen by the public.

Now, I am not a special agent. However, I am an individual opposing an unlawful action, I am also an individual assisting a disabled person with the legal procedure of exercising their rights under the provisions of the ADA. That does not make me an agent.

Now, Tim, your name appears in your signature so I will call you Tim. Do you recall the conversation the two of us had the night your son broke into my home? Do you recall that I told you if I was called to testify, that I would have to tell the truth under oath in regards to what I witnessed? Do you also recall that I told you that both, your son as well as JG informed me that your son not only tried to strangle her, but broke into a locked room and raped her (the house in Woodstock where she tried to escape from him was broken into by him), as well as he damaged her knee intentionally while she was taking a shower in a locked bathroom by breaking into the bathroom and ripping the shower curtains off before physically assaulting her?

Do you remember what you told me after I informed you of all of this? I do. You said verbatim "well ....when a man finds out his wife has been unfaithful, all of that is justified".

Do you realize that this is the exact same agenda promulgated by the enemy of our country? The Taliban physically assault women whom they view as being "out of line".

Now, since you have brought all of the accusations against me in hopes of intimidating me from assisting a disabled individual from practicing their rights under the ADA, which have been plainly stated as well as implied; with one being an accusation that I am a schizophrenic, I must make the following statements of fact. Bear in mind I am highly uncomfortable making these statements and I do not take any sort of perverse pleasure in doing so.

According to your son:
1) Your gambling addiction has caused great stress on your marital relationship. 2) Your wife accused you of having an affair with your daughter in law's mother, your son's ex wife's mother.
3) This accusation from your wife placed enormous pressure on your son's marriage at the time he was married.
4) This accusation placed enormous pressure on JG's mother.
5) This accusation from your wife placed enormous pressure on JG.
6) In the above corespondence, you made specific statements that indicate you have taken the role of a psychiatrist without having placed me under observation.
7) In addition to those statements, you made an accusation that implied different licensed practicing audiologists over a span of 33 years have intentionally lied that I have a profound hearing loss.
8) My "wife" has attempted to place restraining orders on her 1st, 2nd husbands and me, being third, an additional attempt was made.
9) An incident report with the Cherokee County Sheriff's Department, as well as the Holly Springs Police Department were made prior to her attempt - these were complaints against her.
10) I have in my possession a medical bill showing an abortion was administered, rather than a "miscarriage"
11) Having a child out of wedlock is immediate grounds for a divorce.
12) I have a legally issued Georgia Firearm's permit issued by a Cherokee County Judge - they do not issue these to person's with restraining orders on them.
- A GBI background check was performed
- An FBI background check was performed
- A Local Law Enforcement Background check was performed


Again, my definition of a crook is far different from yours. I refuse to be intimidated by you and your family.

Have a nice day sir.
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#20 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 09, 2009
Ich bin doch nicht bescheuert!
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#19 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 09, 2009
Ich bin doch nicht bescheuert!
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#18 Consumer Comment

Response to both Tim and Dianne

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, August 09, 2009
Ich bin doch nicht bescheuert!
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#17 Consumer Comment

Answer to Prosecute Threat!

AUTHOR: Chichi In Georgia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, August 08, 2009
I said honorable man because anyone who stands up to her, as the despicable person that she is, he's honorable in my book. You say he's not honorable, how did you meet such a person? You never said why you rented a room to him. I thought she was your roommate. You told that she rented a room from you and slept in it! You continue to be caught in your lies. Come on answer my question. And, if you can, tell the truth! Of course, you say he threatened you that is your tale - Paranoid Schizophrenic . And, he has nothing to do with me, he is your roommate, acquaintance. So, are you an arms seller now?

The nude pictures were sent? What? She told that she gave them to him. You must be losing out, she's hunting, I'm telling you. You are sleeping with her and you say, but it's not my business anyway. You are refusing to entertain that, right?

She told people in 2006 that her grandmother was giving her the house in Woodstock but not until she was divorced from now ex-husband. Why doesn't she live in that house? Oh right, you are protecting her your words. Believe me, she doesn't need protection from anyone. And, why don't her parent's protect her, if needed?

Also, that her grandmother had given her over $100,000.00 and that her mother had hidden it in her bank account. That came out again in the courtroom during the Contempt of Court hearing. And, didn't she go to her family members asking for money to give to you, so that you could return to college? Did they do it? Are you a gigolonow?

LOL, LOL, put you under surveillance, you stated, your post is riddled with it. I have admitted to nothing.

Why do you think it is Dianne writing? Two people have signed the letters. Why did you escape back into the courthouse every time you saw Tim? Why do people always attack Dianne?

Your car do you mean that old jeep you drive? You also accused our son of making it break down on you when you were driving through Tennessee, while hauling the rest of her things from Colorado to Georgia. You remember, her husband was living with us and you and she sneakily drove to the apartment in Thornton and you and she stole his Social Security card and his Ford truck title, along with the estimate of the diamond engagement ring, which she told the Judge never existed. She stole many items which belonged to him and were paid for by him and us. We were told that she destroyed/trashed some of those items. The Judge has ruled that she will pay our son for the loss of those items. Oh, that's right, didn't you buy a newer vehicle, now that she is helping you with your expenses? I wonder what will happen when she finally finds someone who will associate with her and moves out of your apartment. When that blowup from her comes, please dear God let us know about it! Did you know she filed a TPO against the live-in boyfriend before our son met her? Oh yeah and she renewed it, six months and then six months again. After she married our son she still insisted on renewing the TPO again for a third time.

If your car was broken into and your car blew up when you turned the engine on, I would suggest you check out the person, whom you made mad and kicked out of your apartment. You know - the renter.

Now you are falsely accusing a senior person who wouldn't bother herself enough to do what you callously suggest. However, our paper trail is growing!

Yes, you threaten to sue everybody in the world! It didn't work with us and will not work with the deaf people, who are so much better than you, your live-in and her mother.

You have tried desperately hard to set yourself up as the King of the greater Atlanta area and beyond. You think you are so much better than the other deaf people because you have a lesser hearing loss and that you are so much better educated than them. It hasn't worked and it never will because everyone who knows you realizes that you are a controlling, selfish, bully. We know of many, many things that you have said and done to try to threaten and terrorize the deaf people. We also have stored volumes of information regarding this case and, in particular, you and her.

In 2006 after you wrote, not to stir the pot blah, blah, regarding D.R. and his alleged ownership of guns and remarks eluding to our son being shot, a report was made with the Police Department. We have withheld information and communication with you and her pending the finalization of the Divorce and the Contempt of Court hearing. But, make no mistake, we have pertinent information that will be used toward any further legal action. If you, in your paranoid mind, think of this as a threat, no it is not, rather, a Fact.

You say you are not a threat and that you do not intimidate with your guns. Why do you show pictures of your several guns on the internet? Are you just showing off? The fact that they are shown there can be considered a threat to some people. Why are you so obsessed with things that are German? Do you deny that you told our son, the Jews stole those peoples land referring to the Palestinians? Please answer my question what does your father, the ordained Christian minister, think of your remark?

Our writings were not verbal attacks. They were facts and truth.and you well know it! Would you like to see our proof?

Regarding your inferred special agent status you asked us to point out where you mis-represent yourself.

Stated by you in one of your ramblings:

It kind of amused me that throughout the 3 and a half years these events unfolded and having testified in this trial I was never asked if I was a special agent. The last time I was asked this was by a DC district 5 homicide detective and the secret service while on a private tour in the White House.

Oh well ..

Sound familiar? Good grief! You are too far gone! Truly, has your family ever offered to help you with your mental problem?

Your bogus credentials, watery at the least, can be checked out. If you did any type of assistance or work at the college, by no means did it rise to the level that you present here. Where is your degree? The one you have talked about so much and that was a lie also!

Blah, blah, blah. I will not waste my time going over all that bull you cut and pasted regarding federal rules, regulations, statues, laws, etc., etc., etc . If you want to become a lawyer or counselor go to school and do so. But, do not try to pass yourself off as either. It is not wise on your part. Also, we greatly fear you would not succeed at either, due to your mental limitations and obvious problems. Also, you are just not intelligent enough.

We used to know you as a calm, polite boy. I guess, drop the man part. No you sure are not. Once again, you are a bully and a habitual liar and are hooked up with the same. It is very sad that both of you, being of that type of character, would graduate toward each other and end up together. Together you are double trouble.

We don't believe anybody blew up your car. But if there is any chance it is the truth, go back to the place where you purchased it or your previous roommate, whom you have put down so badly. Why should anyone believe your remarks about him?

On this website you continue to falsely accuse a Senior Citizen with your menacing attitude. You probably did something to it yourself, in order, to be able to blame our family members. Sore loser! Again, that paper trail folder is growing!

Your live-in draws Social Security money. She worked full time until she moved to Colo. Why doesn't she work full time now? She refused to work the three years they lived as a married couple in Colo. She did, however, draw Social Security full time! You tried to do so also. You have threatened, once again, to sue someone, this time Social Security because they will not allow you to do so. They do not consider you to be legitimately disabled, rather you only have a hearing loss. You told the now ex-husband that you planned to sue Social Security for $250,000 because they were not going to give you the benefits. I am asking you again, who paid for you to go to Gaulladet College for three years? Vocational Rehabilitation Federal Taxpayers funds that's who! Our taxpayers dollars help pay into Social Security.

Since you consider yourself to be so educated and intelligent and work very hard to inform everyone of it and hope they will believe it, do more with your life! Why not become an Information Technologist? That's what the ex's husband was doing in his college classroom when she brought about the commando raid! And, fraudulently skipped out with Federal Government funds!

We only respect people who deserve our respect! You, she and her family do not!

Our advice, go back to Wash., you should take her with you. That's a whole new group of men for her to meet.

Your hearing impairment ----- well, you operate just fine with a hearing aid and have no speech impediment. You said on this site that people would bring their children to the college and ask you to teach them to speak as clearly as you.

Steve, you continue to live in the deaf realm, rather than in the hearing world. Why do you do that? Do you feel like a big man, who communicates verbally and also signs and that you feel you are much better than them? Do your many family members, whom you have said here are hearing impaired or deaf do the same? No.

While you and the Grant's were mostly composed throughout the four parts of the divorce proceedings, it was extremely obvious that they had gone through several court hearings pertaining directly to her and her horrific behavior. Due to her mother's insistence that her father go pick her up from her boyfriend's house, her insanely outrageous behavior brought about the fight and her father being jailed for several days. Regardless of the outcome her father was jailed. It was, at this time, that her mother tried to commit suicide. All of this was due to her bad behavior.

It would have been so much better had our son never met her. He was engaged to a lovely and beautiful young lady. Or, him to have allowed her mother, and her grandparents, to manipulate him and pressure him into a marriage to her. Our first impression was, they are trying to bring about an arranged marriage. Her grandfather even saying, now we need to help this to his mother the very first time they met. This took place outside the Wings restaurant in East Marietta. Our son was engaged to a lovely and very intelligent young lady when he was fervently pushed toward his now ex-wife. We were against the wedding from the very beginning, especially considering the problems her mother was already causing.

To finalize here, we refuse to waste anymore of our valuable time. We are happy to have had the opportunity afforded by this web site to converse with you, considering during the divorce proceedings you said, don't talk to me. It amazes us that you were so involved in your roommate's divorce and that you so stupidly continue to say she is your roommate. People would think you two were a couple and sleeping together. The Judge knew it was so! You continue to deny that you are a huge liar, that proves it to us.

By the way, you made a point of my usage of grammar and understanding of laws. I don't profess to be a teacher as you do and I don't care about the statutes you keep listing. You are the one who is obsessed with them, but then that makes you feel important doesn't it?

There have been additional expenses incurred since all the divorce hulabaloo began in the home securities area but we had been planning to do so anyway. If you even expel gas in or around our home, vehicles or pets, smile!

This has been very therapeutic and helpful in bringing about closure to the worst event ever to have happened to our family. Our son is very happy now and we move on to enjoy the next wedding in our family.

Tim and Dianne Hutcheson
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PROSECUTE threats

AUTHOR: Chichi In Georgia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, August 08, 2009
Hey Steve why did you think she wrote anything? PROSECUTE threats..still! Why are you talking?

Wish I could really, in plain words and full sentences, tell you what you are. However, I read the rules and regulations of this site and will abide by them.

Song dog hunter (indeed)! What is that lovely cake served at Christmas, oh yes, fruitcake!

Hmm, let me remember some of my German (since we lived there for a year) didn't just visit. Oh yes, one of my favorite words dumkauf!

Our son never continued to associate with the sex offender after it became public knowledge! Also, he was never in contact with the man except at the Church. How many agencies did you contact on the sex offender's behalf, in order, to get him released from jail? And, is he out free right now? Yes! I suppose your assistance was able to allow him to roam the streets.

Lies, lies, and more lies! You are habitual. Our son didn't care who the ex associated with. However, her choice of friends simply stands proof of her character.

You know, as well as I, who had the sex offender arrested. You know that person very well, in fact. Didn't it have to do with association with a child? So your ludicrous insinuation that our son had anything to do with it justdoesn't fly! You are really fishing, aren't you? Catch anything yet? You must have taken the last few days trying to think up more ridiculous lies. You are apparently running out of them.

Who, who, told our son that his ex-wife (thank God) was having the affair with D.R.? Oh my, could that have been you???? This was while she was visiting Woodstock from Co. and all of you people were living together in that house, right? Didn't you confront that man and he didn't deny it?? You saw that she stayed in his bedroom most of the time. Then, you and your current wife both informed our son that would be to him in Colorado at his apartment. Right, thought so. You have such a very bad memory, must be early onset Alzheimer's Disease. You started the whole thing between them.

Your statement to the aid of his ex-wife.hello! Who, I say, who won the divorce based on her numerous affairs during only the last year of the marriage. Apparently, the presiding Judge believed testimony, whereby, she abused him! I guess in your book, hitting someone on the head with an alarm clock and abuse in other ways doesn't count. I say, once again, who won the divorce decree???

You, as her long-time live-in boyfriend, are just a Sore LOSER! Paint a big L on your forehead and get over it! If you are this obsessive, what will happen when your number is up and she runs out into the night with yet another man? Will you have another TPO filed against you like the one your current wife filed and you so brilliantly represented yourself in court. You were ordered by that Judge to, I reiterate undergo a year of anger management classes at your expense. Who has the real abuse problem Steven? By the way, the ex has tried very unsuccessfully to grab a married man in another Georgia county. Eww! Better keep an eye on her. Don't forget the guy living in Puerto Rico with his wife and kids and the married man living south of Atlanta who has a child also. She does go for married men a lot. I think that it is a challenge, a type of game with her.

Before they were divorced, you convinced the wife to file a TPO against her husband. What happened with that in court? You were there every time she had to appear and let's see, wasn't it dismissed by yet another presiding Judge? You went to the aid of the wife because.money and sex was free and you ran like a wild turkey! I hope you have been careful.

Fourth paragraph, fourth sentencewhat??

I invested my time, effort, energy, and lots of money into having my son trained and educated to be verbal. Surely, you are not going to say I should have, rather, deliberately forced my son (with a tested IQ of 140) to remain deaf and speechless. Am I to understand that is what you are stating here?

Steven, Steven (or Steve as we always called you) get over it! That isn't even an intelligent argument. Our son was educated and taught to speak. Are you going to deny that is the best for a hearing impaired or deaf person? I suppose if you have a child with a hearing loss you will refuse to allow the child to learn to speak! Isn't that child abuse? If a handicap can be helped or overcome, isn't that better? Oh, please say yes!

Explain to a panel at Gallaudet ----- is that supposed to mean something? To my knowledge our son never approached the college.

Simply put, so that you will understand, our son always, always spoke. But then, you know that don't you? Your argument here is nonsensical. You really must get into this world - the world of the sane.

Paragraph five, first sentence.. maam how do you know I am female? Two people signed the writing, remember?

If, in fact, people brought their children to Gallaudet and asked you to teach them to speak..excuse, me, wouldn't it be a little late for that?? Come on Steve! Do better. Our own son, until the company went under, had a wonderful job in engineering with a very large company. He never could have held such an important position without verbal communication. You know the communication skills that we made sure he was allowed to develop.

Once again, Steve, the Superior Court, the Judge, and the witnesses never accused our son of abuse. Rather, I can show you copies of e-mails, whereby, the wife incriminated herself so badly that it was rather sickening.

Steve. she helps you with your rent, utilities, food, upkeep of the apartment, etc. I think that tells the story. And..let's not forget the loving! Roommates, indeed.

I have a few short statements here: The sex-offender is emailing his past minister and church members with very profane, tasteless accusations and remarks. Those are a paper trail. The sex-offender told the minister that he will advise teenagers not to come to the church. Won't that constitute association with children? Isn't that against the law for him to do so? Ah yeah!

The ex-wife supports the sex-offender and is a very close friend, as are you. The ex-wife admitted in divorce court that she was guilty of, without the permission of the Father and Mother, driving their baby a long distance, in a problematic car with bad tires, to visit another man. She was living with her legal husband at the time. I wonder what her sister, who has children, would think of such a thing. Would she be worried about hers? Would her sister agree to her taking the children and spending time with the sex-offender? The ex is a good friend of his. Both of you were very active in getting him released from jail, do you deny that?

I have a paper trail also, and I am sooo much better at it than you. You have no idea.

Prosecute for what? Oh, you mean like you were going to sue us? How's that working for you?

You are welcome, that I even consider you to have enough intelligence needed to communicate with me.

You allegedly, being screen by a specific agency for numerous mental conditions and none showed up. What the heck does that mean? Was it conducted as part of your anger management evaluation and possible subsequent medical treatment, to include medication for your anger? The fact that you were screened gives pause and wonder as to why, exactly.

Are you inferring again, that you are a government agent? That statement, if by any stretch of the imagination, were actually true, only means that it is comparable to a sordid person, with a tack in the shoe, being able to trick a polygraph machine. You would need to give us a little more information here. Oh that's right, if you were actually involved in any type of government special agent work, especially of the classified category, we would have to possess a Need to Know. Correct??

People who are paranoid schizophrenic, of course, do not know they are paranoid schizophrenic. Regardless of testing, many humans are borderline and or are simply not diagnosed by the proper medical community.

Bring it on.just because you may know how to use the word doesn't mean you can legally do it. Actually, good grammar would read..Thank you for all the information I need, in order, to prosecute you.

And, we used to think you were a nice boy and had a brain.

Not to show our hand but maybe we have been busy also. Actually, we are enjoying the war of words!

Why not stop masquerading and go back up north to school, finish your education and really do something! Stop insinuating that you are a government agent. Are you spying for the government while you are delivering pizzas? Do you really believed that stuff? Because, if you do. Whooh!

That pres. wrote to you? Really, can we see the communiqu or is it Top Secret?

We will just sign off with: Hey Steve, prosecute this!

Tim and Dianne Hutcheson
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Honorable Man

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, August 07, 2009
You wrote:

Here's a clue for you, you might want to ask your male roommate who was" renting the second bedroom", since you and she (got ya) use just the one bedroom (roommates, indeed) why he left. He left because he was so horrified and repulsed when she showed him nude pictures of herself! Because, you see, he knew you two were a couple!

He was an honorable man.

You really need to get her some strong professional mental health help. Some of the deaf people had suggested to her husband to do so but he held out hoping for the best.


My reply:

Here is a clue for you

You have forever associated yourself and your family to a person whom you yourself has said was an "honorable man." This website does not remove posts.

Like I said earlier, my definition of a crook is far different from yours. Here is a prime example why. These are my only comments regarding this. This "honorable man" as you mentioned, was hoping to purchase a rifle from me so that he and I could go hunting together. So, like a responsible law abiding citizen, I did a background check on him. Needless to say, the results of this background check ended up with me not selling him a rifle. This "honorable man" as you mentioned, does not have the right to vote.

This "honorable man" that you claim is honorable, was put in jail by his own mother. Not only that, in another incident, he also solicited an under cover female police officer for prostitution. In another incident, he was incarcerated for auto theft. In yet another incident, he was incarcerated for illegal possession of a weapon. Incarcerated three times for felony violations. Do you think he told me all of this? Nope. Would you think he lied? I would say thats a pretty good bet.

So, when I told him to pay his back rent and move out, he naturally threatened me.

Also, these nude pictures - they were sent before he even moved in. So repulsed huh? Well, I didn't know anything about nude pictures or whatever, but its not my business anyway.


So ... Dianne, how does he have anything to do with you?

You yourself have admitted to having me put under surveillance, your post is riddled with it.

I would also like to know why my car was broken into ... and why it mysteriously blew up when I turned on the ignition .... I would also like to know (but have already figured out) why you would try to imply I am schizophrenic

No, I am not dating her. However, go ahead and take the word of so called "honorable people".

I think I have figured this out already.


Now, in your lengthy verbal attack you contradict yourself several times. Firstly, you say no one is scared of me and my guns. Well, no one needs to be, I never make threats. Then, you go on to say that perhaps Homeland Security should be aware of all this - so why would this be important if no one is scared of me and my guns and I am not a threat?

You also go on to say that I have represented myself as some kind of an agent - please point out specifically where I state that I am. You also say that there is no way to authenticate me ever being a teacher of the deaf. Yes there is.

You have also said that I really need to brush up on my grammar as some sentences I write out do not make any sense. Perhaps the sentences that you did not understand were the Federal Statutes I copied and pasted? Yes, of course, anyone can cite Federal Regulations, that is the whole point. So, if anyone can cite federal regulations, would you agree they should also follow them?

You have also stated that you knew me to be a calm polite boy. Well, I am still that person. I am still polite to people who do not break into my car and do something to make it blow up in my driveway. I am still polite and respectful to people who respect me.


You also asked me why I am delivering pizzas, well I like to actually work for a living instead of sitting around doing nothing and drawing an income on tax payers money. Its my choice, I will take it.

So, do you honestly think I am "faking" being profoundly hearing impaired and should develop a speech impediment to make it more believable? That would mean that every single audiologist who has ever seen me since the time I was 4 years old would be a liar, now why would they do that?

Maybe in your opinion, they are "dishonorable"?

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A more detailed response

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, August 07, 2009
You said:

You have stated here that Elizabeth Kuhn charged a surcharge. More time" to deal with the deaf client, deaf witnesses and the deaf opposition is not over-charging" it is a fact! The divorce trial and the Contempt of Court proceedings took much longer,

due to the interpreters for the deaf service and the deaf presenting their case.

You are really stretching the truth and lying. (really?)

According to your logic, a lawyer should charge a flat rate for court time and should not charge the deaf people anymore money, but make an exception on fees due to their disability. It doesn't work that way. Find me a lawyer that will agree to that. Did your live-in girlfriend's attorney do so? No, he did not! It is all by the hour Steven, wake up, grow up. But then you wouldn't know, having never retained a lawyer. Ever plan to marry your live-in? Guess not since your wife is still in hiding from you after over three years! Well, that saves the cost of you a divorce! Why don't you use your energy to pressure the Federal Government to require all attorneys to perform pro bono for all disabilities cases?

I did not say the following - "they" said the following (your argument is against the DOJ - read the last sentence carefully):

Attorneys have responsibilities to provide deaf clients with sign language interpreters and other accommodations that they may need to communicate. A lawyer who fails to communicate effectively with a client is not meeting his or her duty of competent and zealous representation under the Canons of Ethics. Furthermore, attorneys have a statutory duty to provide effective communication to deaf clients under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), which went into effect on January 26, 1991. Title III of the ADA, 42 U.S.C. 12181-12183, provides people with disabilities the right to equal access to public accommodations. Both Title III of the ADA, and the U.S. Department of Justice regulation pursuant to Title III, 28 C.F.R. Part 36, specifically include the offices of lawyers in the definition of public accommodations. 42 U.S.C. 12181; 28 C.F.R. 36.104.

Under Title III, public accommodations are required to provide auxiliary aids and services to ensure effective communication with deaf and hard of hearing people: A public accommodation shall furnish appropriate auxiliary aids and services where necessary to ensure effective communication with individuals with disabilities. 28 C.F.R. 36.303(c). Lipreading and writing notes back and forth are seldom effective methods of communication with sign language users. An attorney who relies on these methods cannot be assured of communicating effectively or accurately with his or her client. A comprehensive list of auxiliary aids and services required by the ADA is set forth in this regulation, and includes, for deaf and hard of hearing individuals:[q]ualified interpreters, notetakers, computer-aided transcription services, written materials, telephone handset amplifiers, assistive listening devices, assistive listening systems, telephones compatible with hearing aids, closed caption decoders, open and closed captioning, telecommunication devices for deaf persons (TDD's), videotext displays, or other effective methods of making aurally delivered materials available to individuals with hearing impairments. 28 C.F.R. 36.303(b)(1). The term qualified interpreter is defined in the regulation to mean "an interpreter who is able to interpret effectively, accurately and impartially both receptively and expressively, using any necessary specialized vocabulary." 28 C.F.R. 36.104.

The Department of Justice states in its Analysis: It is not difficult to imagine a wide range of communications involving areas such as health, legal matters, and finances that would be sufficiently lengthy or complex to require an interpreter for effective communication. 56 Fed.Reg. at 35567. The Department of Justice has also noted in its Analysis: The Department wishes to emphasize that public accommodations must take steps necessary to ensure that an individual with a disability will not be excluded, denied services, segregated or otherwise treated differently from other individuals because of the use of inappropriate or ineffective auxiliary aids. In those situations requiring an interpreter, the public accommodations must secure the services of a qualified interpreter, unless an undue burden would result. 56 Fed. Reg. at 35567 The responsibility to provide effective communications with clients applies to attorneys regardless of the fee arrangements with the client, and regardless of whether a case is being handled for a flat rate, hourly rate, contingency, pro bono, as part of a legal insurance package or other arrangement.

A public accommodation may avoid provision of an auxiliary aid or service only if it can demonstrate that providing the aid or service would fundamentally alter the nature of the service, or would constitute an undue burden or expense. If the public accommodation is able to demonstrate that there is a fundamental alteration or an undue burden in the provision of a particular auxiliary aid it must nevertheless be prepared to provide an alternative auxiliary aid, where one exists. 28 C.F.R. 36.303(f). Whether or not providing a particular auxiliary aid would constitute an "undue burden" is difficult to ascertain. Undue burden is defined as significant difficulty or expense when considered in light of a variety of factors including the nature and cost of the auxiliary aid or service and the overall financial and other resources of the business. 28 C.F.R. 36.104. The undue burden standard is applied on a case-by-case basis. Undue burden is not measured by the amount of income the lawyer or other private business is receiving from a deaf client, patient or customer. Instead, undue burden is measured by the financial impact on the entity as a whole. Therefore, it is possible for a lawyer to be responsible for providing auxiliary aids even for pro bono clients, if the cost of the aid would not be an undue burden on the operation of the firm. Furthermore, it may be necessary for a lawyer to provide an interpreter when communicating with non-clients (e.g., estate beneficiaries, witnesses, an audience for a legal seminar). The Department of Justice does not permit an attorney or other place of public accommodation to charge a person with a disability for the cost of the auxiliary aid provided. Therefore, billing the deaf client for interpreter services as a "client cost" is not permissible:

A public accommodation may not impose a surcharge on a particular individual with a disability . . . to cover the costs of measures, such as the provision of auxiliary aids . . that are required to provide that individual . . . with the nondiscriminatory treatment required by the Act or this part. 28 C.F.R. 36.301(c). Congress has amended the Internal Revenue Code to provide tax incentives for businesses that incur expenses in increasing accessibility for people with disabilities. The "Tax Deduction to Remove Architectural and Transportation Barriers to People with Disabilities and Elderly Individuals" (Title 26, I.R.C. Section 190) allows a deduction for barrier removal expenses not to exceed $1,500 for any taxable year. The "Disabled Access Tax Credit" (Title 26, I.R.C. Section 44) is available to small businesses. It provides a tax credit of 50 per cent of eligible access expenditures that exceed $250 but do not exceed $10,250 made for the purpose of complying with the ADA. For more information on these tax provisions, contact the IRS, Office of the Chief Counsel, P.O. Box 7604, Ben Franklin Station, Washington, DC 20044, (202) 622-3110. It is clear from the Act, the Regulation and its Analysis, that important communications such as those with an attorney will require provision of a qualified sign language interpreter to ensure effective communication with the deaf individual. This cost cannot be passed on to the client.
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AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 06, 2009
Its an interesting choice of words you use to describe crooks.

Wouldn't this so called "sex offender" be a friend of your son's for over 30 years? Didn't they attend the same church together?

I will answer these questions. Yes, they were friends for longer than I have known this person, in fact, they continued to be friends right up until this "sex offender" maintained friendship with his ex wife. That is where your son threatened him to have nothing to do with his ex wife ... or else. Then a week later, he was arrested.

You have tried incessantly to incriminate anyone who went to the aid of your son's ex wife, including me. Your choice of words above explaining how you have fought for over 40 years for the rights of the disabled in your own family do not mesh well with the fact you do not even use Sign Language with your deaf son. That is odd. Why don't you explain why you never did to a panel at Gallaudet University?

I know your antics maam. I saw parents do this all the time when they brought their deaf child/adult to Gallaudet. "Please make my child speak and talk like you, you speak so nice." I had to explain to them that sadly, this would never happen and that they should instead, learn ASL. In fact, and this is as personal as I will get, your own son has complained to me many times at how disappointed he was that you would not communicate with him using ASL. Your fight was actually AGAINST the rights of the disabled. I am able to tell the difference.

You should be ashamed of yourself. I do not consider the lives of others to be a "game" of win or lose as you do. You should have intervened when you knew your son was verbally and physically assaulting your daughter in law instead of incriminating anyone that went to her aid.

Your definition of "crook" is far different from mine.
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Thank you for all the information I need to prosecute

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 06, 2009
Rather than a lengthy reply I will just say this. I have been screened by a very specific agency for numerous mental conditions and none showed up. I am sure that does not mesh well with what you had in mind. It means I am not schizophrenic. It also means I now have a paper trail of you lying, for that I thank you.
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Angela in Woodstock and Steven L. Turner

AUTHOR: Chichi In Georgia - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, August 03, 2009
Rebuttal to Angela in Woodstock regarding an alleged ripoff by Elizabeth Kuhn, Attorney
08-03-09

My advice to Angela is to Read and Comprehend, also to listen and take notes at any legal meeting.

A family member has been represented by Elizabeth Kuhn. We found that she is very professional, experienced, precise, very articulate and immensely clear in her presentation of the legalities of the case. She was cooperative, possesses patience to sainthood, and if Angela researched the rates of attorneys that may be why she chose Elizabeth Kuhn. She is steadfast and not intimidated by anyone, including other lawyers.

Elizabeth Kuhn's retainer of $1500 is far lower than other attorneys in the area. In fact, she charged less than anyone else that we spoke to. She explained the retainer to us and the fact that, indeed, the $1500 is held toward closure of the case. This is to assure that remaining expenses will be covered. If money is left unused it is returned to the client. We have had no problem with her fee system.

Once again, I suggest that Angela in Woodstock should have read and comprehended. If she was unsure she could have had it clarified. She also admitted that some money was refunded to her. After the free consultation, if offered, then all attorneys charge for every single service regarding the case. Due to our request for more information, the consultation ran over the free first 30 minutes and we, of course, understood we would pay the remainder.

Elizabeth Kuhn is very extroverted, kind, considerate, and works well with everyone in our family regarding the case. Never, at any time, did we feel she was flirtatious. I suggest that Angela may have had a self-esteem issue or a definite lack of confidence. Possibly, she and her husband should have settled their issues from the very beginning without a lawyer.

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I have known Steven Lewis Turner since his early teens. Until several years ago, I always considered him to be a calm, nice young boy/man. However, Steven has changed greatly. Is it possible he is an undiagnosed paranoid schizophrenic? A family member of his current wife thinks so. Due to Steven's own mother, after having an affair left him, his father, his two sisters and his brother to divorce his father and marry the other man. Steven's current legal wife left him and also, Steven knew the divorcing woman had had several affairs against her husband. He took up with her anyway. It would seem that Steven Turner's women problems have continued to the point of pushing him to his mental breaking point.

Steven Turner has attacked Elizabeth Kuhn on this site. Please allow me to explain some of background as I know it.

Steven Turner lives with his past friend's ex-wife. She was, however, still married to the husband referred to in Steven's writing here. While Steven Turner was be-friending his long time friend, he was also bodily befriending the man's wife. That's right! They called it roommates. Bad thing is, they have been seen! Why did she move in with you? She has a house in Woodstock that her grandmother gave to her. No one is living in it!

During the divorce proceedings, Steven Turner testified on her behalf. He has said Elizabeth Kuhn lied when she said he had a TPO against him by his current wife. It is on file at the Canton, Georgia Sheriff's Office. The U.S. Freedom of Information Act covers it. Steven may be playing with the date on it, but it was taken out by his current wife for physical/severe emotional abuse, including causing her to suffer a heartbreaking miscarriage. She stated Steven Turner was in possession of an unregistered firearm and she was in great fear of him. As a result, she was assisted by a local agency and has been in hiding from him since 2006. Steven Turner called Elizabeth Kuhn, a highly respected attorney, a criminal. Who is the criminal Steve?

Your credentials are a pure joke! How can you're Germany repertoire be authenticated? You were a teacher in a foreign land, using a foreign sign language? Oh please. I believe you are really stretching it. If you are a pronounced teacher in so many ways, why are you delivering pizzas?? Why not go back to Washington, finish school and do something with your life? Why not take her with you?

You are obsessed with Germany. When allegedly you visited Germany and then Israel, afterward, you told your friends, The Jews stole the land from those people meaning the Palestinians. And your father was an ordained Christian minister at one time. I wonder what he thinks.

You complained that Elizabeth Kuhn made the wife out to be a w***e (your words) in the case, the wife did that herself! That was proven in the courtroom. She was a habitual liar with the mindset of a teenager and a pretty good little actress I might also say. Those tears were almost genuine. She was proven to be a complete, total liar by six of her peers. Most all deaf people are decent and honest. And, in cases of this sort, the judge will almost always side with the wife.not so! The judge saw through the whole charade and realized that the woman, in fact, was guilty of battering her husband! The judge decided for the husband because the truth was brought out in the trial. You and she are just Bad Losers. You don't want her to have to pay any money to the now ex-husband so that she will have more to help you. Did she go to her family members asking for financial help for you, so that you could return to school? You know; the one you say you graduated from, Gaulladet College. Of course, people know that you never finished. More of your lies. No one is afraid of you or your several guns that you boast about and show pictures of on-line. You have the need to look the big, bad, intimidating man. Why the conflict of a manly man who uses pictures of himself and his sister as little children and a baby as his logo on the internet sites? That is too weird. You seem to have some real serious issues. If you do not want your bizarre writings/pictures incorporated into a divorce, in which you are involved, and on-going related court case why do you post it? You are extremely contradictory regarding yourself.

You and your live-in girlfriend for almost three years (excuse me, I mean your so-called roommate wink, wink) the now famous ex-wife, are greatly, abhorrently, abusing your referenced Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (uh, doesn't that mean it is in place to rehabilitate someone?) Clearly and simply put, you are mad that she lost and you are misusing the laws that were put into place, to exactly restrict what you are doing. You are a crook! Not even a smart one. And, you try to present yourself as a government agent? Please!

She could well have afforded a lawyer in the Contempt of Court Case but rather, you instructed her to represent herself. Isn't that what you did in your TPO hearing with your current wife? Didn't you lose? Weren't you forced by the presiding Judge to attend anger management classes, at your expense, for a year? And, who has the problem? She was the direct cause of her own father being jailed for several days. Maybe it all stems from the fact, that she is aware that her mother and father decided to give her up for adoption when they learned she was deaf! Oh yes, she told me. She was to be placed somewhere in the North or Northwest in a home until adopted if possible. Her mother decided to give it a try and work with her. What a Mom!

Didn't you lie to everyone as she did also when you wrecked her car on her husband's insurance, causing an increase in his policy? Weren't you delivering pizzas in her car when you hit the Jaguar and the driver sued for $3,000.00 bodily injuries? Then, she was so stupid as to tell her husband her car had been recalled for body work! See, Steven and we know a lot more.

The Americans with Disabilities Act does not allow for fraud, graph and mockery by a known crook! Again, you are abusing the system, which was signed into law to aid persons with sincere, genuine disabilities. It was never, ever made available in order to just appease the disgruntled partner of a clearly deranged woman, who is disabled but who works part time. If she can work part time, why not full time as she used to do? She stated in court that she pays one half of all the expenses in your household. She also receives Social Security Disability funds. She has done so for many years, even while she was not working and was able to do so. Did she ever attend any type of further educational facilities? Did she attend a university, college, technical school, training facility for persons of limited mentality or any other type of training, in order, to get off of Social Security? No, that is the answer. Did you forget that her ex-husband was in a college classroom when she brought about the six person commando raid on their apartment to get as much of her belongings and ran out on him at night.

All of your deaf or hearing impaired relatives have no bearing on your live-in girlfriend's case. Shame on you, that you would use and abuse their disability here (I have never heard of all of these you listed and I truly wonder if it is the real truth.) Or, are you stretching your story again? You state you are profoundly hearing impaired, then why can you hear perfectly well with just a hearing aid and you have no speech impediment?? You might want to try to develop a little impediment if you want to continue pedaling that story.

You have caustically and unconscionably written about the reputable Elizabeth Kuhn and other lawyers in the Hait & Eichelzer Law Firm, the husband his mother, your current wife, people who had visited your home and caught you in a compromising position with the other man's wife and the presiding Judge of the divorce, the Honorable Judge LaTain Kell. You have tried to tattle erroneous tales to the Americans with Disabilities Office, Gov. Sonny Perdue, the FBI and the rest of your obtrusive list. The length to which you take your lies, innuendos and completely false accusations knows no bounds! Steven, have you no conscience left? Have you both warped each other's minds so badly? The two of you together, along with her mother, are comparable to throwing a match into a gasoline tank, considering also that her mother hits the tap a little too often. I just wonder, where do honest people draw the line at presenting a twelve year old child as a witness in court? Considering the case, as related to the child witness, her testimony was not valid. And, that the information the child was to have given was utterly useless because the divorce case had already been finalized. Doesn't that constitute child abuse? If not, it should! Judge LaTain Kell prevailed in ruling against such an action.

Here's a clue for you, you might want to ask your male roommate who was renting the second bedroom, since you and she (got ya) use just the one bedroom (roommates, indeed) why he left. He left because he was so horrified and repulsed when she showed him nude pictures of herself! Because, you see, he knew you two were a couple! He was an honorable man. You really need to get her some strong professional mental health help. Some of the deaf people had suggested to her husband to do so but he held out hoping for the best.

You have stated here that Elizabeth Kuhn charged a surcharge. More time to deal with the deaf client, deaf witnesses and the deaf opposition is not over-charging it is a fact! The divorce trial and the Contempt of Court proceedings took much longer, due to the interpreters for the deaf service and the deaf presenting their case. You are really stretching the truth and lying. According to your logic, a lawyer should charge a flat rate for court time and should not charge the deaf people anymore money, but make an exception on fees due to their disability. It doesn't work that way. Find me a lawyer that will agree to that. Did your live-in girlfriend's attorney do so? No, he did not! It is all by the hour Steven, wake up, grow up. But then you wouldn't know, having never retained a lawyer. Ever plan to marry your live-in? Guess not since your wife is still in hiding from you after over three years! Well, that saves the cost of you a divorce! Why don't you use your energy to pressure the Federal Government to require all attorneys to perform pro bono for all disabilities cases?

By the way, for your information, you are a bad writer and you really need to brush up on your English grammar. I mean, by your admission you are so educated. Some of your sentences don't make sense.

You are the trouble maker by ill-advising the now ex-wife and causing her immeasurable trouble and hardships. You are more interested in carrying on your tirade and trying to show everyone you are the man!

We all know how to look up the statutes Steven, gosh you would begin to think this is your case rather than your roommate's. You continued to demand correct your mistakes to Judge Kell. I think that really smacked of threatening a Superior Court Judge unless he had done what you wanted, wouldn't it? I was just wondering, here on this site, would that, in any way, fall under Homeland Security? I'm not as learned as you so maybe you would know.

Steven Turner you know she screwed up! Now, you have taken it upon yourself to assess blame, that belongs to her and in some instances to you, upon these other people. You, she and her family, including her grandparents (and especially her mother) are just sore losers and now you want it all fixed to your, her and their liking. Well, it doesn't work that way in the court of law. Her own divorce lawyer refused to represent her again! He had represented her and her family members at least five times that I'm aware of, all of them due to problems caused by her. Why didn't she retain a different attorney? She told her friends in the beginning that her grandfather had said he would pay for it all. You and she thought she could ludicrously represent herself in court. You both also decided that the man you said represented the Americans with Disabilities Office would somewhat/somehow serve in place of a lawyer, along with her and you as her self-appointed counselor/coach/whatever. You cannot present a circus to the court system. Justice was served. Every faction of Judge Kell's courtroom was conducted completely legally according the Georgia State law and with the utmost integrity. If the agencies you have contacted accept your bogus word they are guilty of a great miscarriage of justice which is illegal. I for one, will be there as a witness for the opposite side. Once again, I know you. You are a punk who intimidates and terrorizes the other deaf people with your threats. They are wonderful people who should never have to be subjected to your insane behavior. And, I for one hearing person, am not now and never will be afraid of you! Remember your great joy and enthusiasm at seeing the bat tower? You've gone a long way down since that day.

My advice to you, you messed up, a very good law firm who might have served you in the future would have been Hait & Eichelzer and in particular, Elizabeth Kuhn.

And by the way, your live-in newly divorced girlfriend defrauded the Federal Government when she received money from DOVE to move back to Georgia. She had money in her checking account which should have been used for the move but she wanted DOVE to pay for it. Free money was best! She committed fraud against the American Taxpayers! DOVE is funded by the Federal Government. It has been proven in court that she was not abused and strongly lied to that group.

Steven L. Turner you know, full well, that my concern and lasting good intentions for disabled people and the Americans with Disabilities Act is extremely important to me. I have spent 40 years fighting for the rights of the disabled in my own family. Do not pretend to pimp that whole system. Do not attempt to trash a system, which has taken so long and so much hard work, by so many, to rather exploit it for your and her own means! You two are a disgrace and an embarrassment to the deaf community. No wonder so few of them associate with you.

Didn't you work hard to promote help for a convicted sex offender to get out of jail? If you would only use your interest, energy and work, for the good you would succeed in life. You are so very convinced of your greatness, knowledge of firearms, drive for influence and control over other people, why don't you volunteer for a branch of the military and volunteer for Iraq or Afghanistan, thereby putting your efforts to good use? There are many soldiers wearing eyeglasses, why not force the government to allow a person with a hearing aid who hears, as well as, you to go also? That would give you a good challenge and better direct your interests.


Tim and Dianne Hutcheson

P.S. Depending on your rebuttal to this, we will have another rebuttal - stay tuned to be updated!
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#10 Consumer Comment

Hundreds of ADA Violations found in Atlanta

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, August 01, 2009
Hmmmm ..... how is it Atlanta was "randomly" selected? ;)

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/hundreds-of-ada-violations-105776.html
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#9 Consumer Comment

Hundreds of ADA Violations found in Atlanta

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, August 01, 2009
Hmmmm ..... how is it Atlanta was "randomly" selected? ;)

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/hundreds-of-ada-violations-105776.html
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#8 Consumer Comment

Hundreds of ADA Violations found in Atlanta

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, August 01, 2009
Hmmmm ..... how is it Atlanta was "randomly" selected? ;)

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/hundreds-of-ada-violations-105776.html
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#7 Consumer Comment

Obama celebrates the 19th anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 30, 2009
Submitted By NAD (National Association of the Deaf) On Tue, 07/28/2009 - 16:19
On Friday, July 24, 2009,

President Obama celebrated the 19th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) with an announcement of his intention to sign the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD). Obama also met privately with 12 representatives from the disability community and Administration officials.

The ceremony took place in the East Room of the White House with disability rights champions and advocates. The NAD was represented at the ceremony by members Howard Rosenblum, senior attorney at Equip for Equality and chair of the NAD public policy committee, and Jeff Rosen, former general counsel and director of policy of the National Council on Disability and currently general counsel and vice president of governmental affairs at Snap!VRS.

Jeff Rosen also attended a private meeting with the President and Administration officials prior to the ceremony. During that meeting, the President noted a wide-ranging agenda that included employment, education, technology, health care,

and civil rights policy.

Disability advocates emphasized the importance of seeing disability policy issues as fundamentally about fairness, civil rights and human rights. They expressed their desire to work with the White House and federal agencies on a broad-based strategy towards achieving the goals of the ADA in recognition of next year's 20th anniversary.

Earlier in the week, Nancy Bloch, chief executive officer of the NAD, participated in the ADA anniversary celebration event at the Hart Senate Office Building in Washington, DC, sponsored by the American Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD).

The NAD was invited to a reception on July 30, 2009 at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations in New York City, to commemorate the occasion of the signing of the CPRD by President Obama. Alexis Kashar, chair of the NAD civil rights committee, will represent the NAD at this event.
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Obama celebrates the 19th anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 30, 2009
Submitted By NAD (National Association of the Deaf) On Tue, 07/28/2009 - 16:19
On Friday, July 24, 2009,

President Obama celebrated the 19th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) with an announcement of his intention to sign the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD). Obama also met privately with 12 representatives from the disability community and Administration officials.

The ceremony took place in the East Room of the White House with disability rights champions and advocates. The NAD was represented at the ceremony by members Howard Rosenblum, senior attorney at Equip for Equality and chair of the NAD public policy committee, and Jeff Rosen, former general counsel and director of policy of the National Council on Disability and currently general counsel and vice president of governmental affairs at Snap!VRS.

Jeff Rosen also attended a private meeting with the President and Administration officials prior to the ceremony. During that meeting, the President noted a wide-ranging agenda that included employment, education, technology, health care,

and civil rights policy.

Disability advocates emphasized the importance of seeing disability policy issues as fundamentally about fairness, civil rights and human rights. They expressed their desire to work with the White House and federal agencies on a broad-based strategy towards achieving the goals of the ADA in recognition of next year's 20th anniversary.

Earlier in the week, Nancy Bloch, chief executive officer of the NAD, participated in the ADA anniversary celebration event at the Hart Senate Office Building in Washington, DC, sponsored by the American Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD).

The NAD was invited to a reception on July 30, 2009 at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations in New York City, to commemorate the occasion of the signing of the CPRD by President Obama. Alexis Kashar, chair of the NAD civil rights committee, will represent the NAD at this event.
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Obama celebrates the 19th anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 30, 2009
Submitted By NAD (National Association of the Deaf) On Tue, 07/28/2009 - 16:19
On Friday, July 24, 2009,

President Obama celebrated the 19th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) with an announcement of his intention to sign the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD). Obama also met privately with 12 representatives from the disability community and Administration officials.

The ceremony took place in the East Room of the White House with disability rights champions and advocates. The NAD was represented at the ceremony by members Howard Rosenblum, senior attorney at Equip for Equality and chair of the NAD public policy committee, and Jeff Rosen, former general counsel and director of policy of the National Council on Disability and currently general counsel and vice president of governmental affairs at Snap!VRS.

Jeff Rosen also attended a private meeting with the President and Administration officials prior to the ceremony. During that meeting, the President noted a wide-ranging agenda that included employment, education, technology, health care,

and civil rights policy.

Disability advocates emphasized the importance of seeing disability policy issues as fundamentally about fairness, civil rights and human rights. They expressed their desire to work with the White House and federal agencies on a broad-based strategy towards achieving the goals of the ADA in recognition of next year's 20th anniversary.

Earlier in the week, Nancy Bloch, chief executive officer of the NAD, participated in the ADA anniversary celebration event at the Hart Senate Office Building in Washington, DC, sponsored by the American Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD).

The NAD was invited to a reception on July 30, 2009 at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations in New York City, to commemorate the occasion of the signing of the CPRD by President Obama. Alexis Kashar, chair of the NAD civil rights committee, will represent the NAD at this event.
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Obama celebrates the 19th anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 30, 2009
Submitted By NAD (National Association of the Deaf) On Tue, 07/28/2009 - 16:19
On Friday, July 24, 2009,

President Obama celebrated the 19th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) with an announcement of his intention to sign the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD). Obama also met privately with 12 representatives from the disability community and Administration officials.

The ceremony took place in the East Room of the White House with disability rights champions and advocates. The NAD was represented at the ceremony by members Howard Rosenblum, senior attorney at Equip for Equality and chair of the NAD public policy committee, and Jeff Rosen, former general counsel and director of policy of the National Council on Disability and currently general counsel and vice president of governmental affairs at Snap!VRS.

Jeff Rosen also attended a private meeting with the President and Administration officials prior to the ceremony. During that meeting, the President noted a wide-ranging agenda that included employment, education, technology, health care,

and civil rights policy.

Disability advocates emphasized the importance of seeing disability policy issues as fundamentally about fairness, civil rights and human rights. They expressed their desire to work with the White House and federal agencies on a broad-based strategy towards achieving the goals of the ADA in recognition of next year's 20th anniversary.

Earlier in the week, Nancy Bloch, chief executive officer of the NAD, participated in the ADA anniversary celebration event at the Hart Senate Office Building in Washington, DC, sponsored by the American Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD).

The NAD was invited to a reception on July 30, 2009 at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations in New York City, to commemorate the occasion of the signing of the CPRD by President Obama. Alexis Kashar, chair of the NAD civil rights committee, will represent the NAD at this event.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Update

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 29, 2009
The defendant was asked this question by a lawyer whom represented Hait & Eichelzer in court on Tuesday afternoon in The Superior Court of Cobb County Georgia with Judge LaTain presiding:

"Did you read and understand the comments made by Steven Turner on the rip off report on the internet?"

The plaintiff replied yes. The next question had me baffled a little bit:

"And you thought it was funny didn't you?" the lawyer asked almost laughing (good actor).

Well the wrong person was asked. I am the author of the above post and my answer is actually a question - which would not be permissible in court, but is permissible here:

My answer - My father is deaf, my uncle is deaf, my grandfather was deaf, my sister is hearing impaired, my niece is hearing impaired and I am profoundly hearing impaired. You, the attorney are not hearing impaired or deaf. Why would I think an act of discrimination against the hearing impaired or deaf would be funny? Perhaps your law office thinks its funny?

I would assume that Hait & Eichelzer does not take the ADA seriously, but they will.

I will have a few questions for you which will asked before an Administrative Law Judge. The chance to correct your mistakes as well as the opportunity to do so is over.


When your law office placed a surcharge on attorney fees based on an individual or group of individuals disability, were they aware of the provisions of
28 CFR 35.130 (f) ?

(f) A public entity may not place a surcharge on a particular
individual with a disability or any group of individuals with
disabilities to cover the costs of measures, such as the provision of
auxiliary aids or program accessibility, that are required to provide
that individual or group with the nondiscriminatory treatment required
by the Act or this part.

Were they also aware that a private law firm is considered a public accommodation given the provisions of 28 C.F.R. 36.104 ?

Place of public accommodation means a facility, operated by a private entity, whose operations affect commerce and fall within at least one of the following categories --

(6) A laundromat, dry-cleaner, bank, barber shop, beauty shop, travel service, shoe repair service, funeral parlor, gas station,

office of an accountant or lawyer,

pharmacy, insurance office, professional office of a health care provider, hospital, or other service establishment;


Did you notice the above provisions did not say "Publix"?

The reason I ask is because the attorney who represented the plaintiff did not seem to be aware of this, and in fact, completely misconstrued the provisions of the ADA in his argument. I suspect it was done intentionally.
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Elizabeth Kuhn will rip you off

AUTHOR: Steven Turner - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 01, 2009
This is interesting. I am also a victim of Elizabeth Kuhn. I am not bound by client-professional privacy privilege as she calls it, as I am not nor will I ever be her client, nor will I refer her services to anyone I know. I cannot think of anyone I dislike that much. Yes, I fully expect her to find this little niche on the internet that she feels she has to defend her honor on. Her is my story of the unfortunate experience I have had with this criminal.

I was called to testify on behalf of a deaf friend who was going through a divorce from an abusive husband. This man, whom I have known for over 20 years, admitted to me, as well as I personally saw him abusing his wife, damaging her knee to the point she walked with a limp for over a year. He also admitted to fraudently receiving disability each month even though he had inherited over $100,000 from his grandfather. He also went to school, with tax payer's money, all the while being able to completely afford to do so on his own. This means, that some poor man or woman out there, who really needed SSI benefits, was turned down so that he could receive his. Yes, imagine that, a crippled person in a wheel chair that cannot even feed them self so that he could get his benefits. Its fraud.

Most people who do not have a disability are clueless regarding laws related to those who have disabilities, including Elizabeth Kuhn. This isn't a huge deal, except when it involves essential life activities, one being, a complicated court case.

Here is where I give my credentials. I am a former educator of the deaf from Gallaudet University, the world's only Liberal Arts University in the world. I have attended workshops in Berlin, Germany for people who have Usher's Syndrome (deaf/blind) and am not only proficient in American Sign Language, but Tactile Sign Language as well. I taught English to foreign deaf adults, whom did not have any ASL knowledge, so, in essence, I was teaching a foreign written language to foreigners using a language they could not quite grasp. This is something that only a handful of people are capable of doing or even capable of comprehending. I also taught communication modes to people who did not have motor functions of their limbs whom were also deaf.

Having said that, Elizabeth Kuhn felt that if she made the wife out to be a w***e in this particular case, whom so happens to be a profoundly deaf individual who does not 100% grasp ASL nor written language, the husband could walk out scot-free. She claimed that she felt it was reasonable to charge 300% more for this case as all of the witnesses, the plaintiff and the defendant were .... deaf.

Yes, that's right ladies and gentlemen, she felt justified that due to her lack of knowledge regarding laws relevant to the deaf, she could, in essence, turn the deaf community into her own little gold mine. But here is where I let you all in on a little secret, she was hoping that she could devastate the opposing party so badly (the woman who was already devastated by years of abuse from her husband) that there would be no way anyone would say she was unfair.

Needless to say, she not only violated the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, she also violated the Americans With Disability Act, which, by the way, fines lawyers who do not comply with Federal Law. Its not a small fine either. To be absolutely precise, as precision is the key word here, Elizabeth Kuhn manipulated the court system in a way to make it appear she worked harder due to the fact that everyone testifying, as well as the plaintiff and the defendant, were .... deaf. She cashed in on "more than what is normal" fees due to the fact of another person's disability. Hoorah for her. It's a $115,000 fine for each violation.

Ok, following this logic, we should then of course, charge people for using the handicap ramp to her office ... right? Because she is required to have individual parking spots for the handicapped, as well as equal accessibility to her office, which she has to pay for to be compliant with Federal Law, then this, essentially, is what she is doing by charging 300% more because everyone in this case was deaf. The correct method that should have been followed in this very specific case would have been to charge "normal" charges. That is not just my opinion, it is federal law.

Well, not to mention she also flat out lied to the judge concerning my integrity and moral character, which I took personally. She put me on the stand, and asked me to describe the layout of my home (so that following witnesses whom never visited my home, nor people I have ever met, could describe the inside of my house - thereby convincing the judge of a lie). She also knowingly told the judge the following FALSE information, that I was under a restraining order from my wife. Of course, I know its a lawyer's job to make the opposing party "look bad" in the eyes of the judge, but to knowingly tell false information? That is, I think, against the code of ethics ... maybe slander, yes, I think I am on the right track.

Well, let's see if I understand everything correctly. The Judge, whom is a deacon of a baptist church, was made to sympathize with the Husband because he had recently "been saved" and turned away from his past history of abusing his wife. How sweet .... Isn't church and state separate? Isn't leaving an abusive spouse the act of self preservation? If so, why then does Elizabeth Kuhn continue to abuse, exploit not only the plaintiff, but her deaf client as well?

I think its time for the people of Cobb County to know what is really going on there. I think its time for parents of handicapped children to know just how "protected" their children really are. There are people out in this world that will absolutely exploit another person's disability; I usually avoid them as much as I can, as I am also hearing impaired, and developed this uncanny love of life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness - but when you meet a person in authority that chooses to exploit the deaf, such as a Supreme Court Judge, ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

This isn't just concerning me. It isn't just my rant about a bad experience, lawyers like her are a dime a dozen. They are not rare, they milk people's emotions for money, its what they do. "Oh please, tell me all about it and take as much time as you .... need" while they charge you by the hour.

This rebuttal is more or less the following question:

What about the damaging and illegal precedent you imposed upon the deaf community?

I do not have to hire an attorney and pay any expenses to file a complaint against your practice. I have in writing ... the final divorce decree in which you stated you charged 300% more than what is considered "normal" due to the fact that most of the witnesses, the plaintiff and the defendant were deaf. I have also made a note that the Judge allowed it. This information has already been sent to the proper authorities and it has been confirmed this is a violation. Yes, those proper authorities are the Federal Government, as well as advocacy groups. So its not just my word, its theirs too.

This has been completely damaging .... you need to correct your mistake or it will be corrected for you. As an attorney, you should know these laws, what is amazing, and I don't want to think this of you, but what appalls me, is the notion you may already be aware of these laws. Pure speculation at this point, but I would bet your just greedy. I'll also bet, you never helped out another person in your life unless there was something in it for you.

This post is being posted on a site in Arizona - my goodness, why would you be so concerned about one person's complaint against you that you felt compelled to reply?
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Completely Un-True GET THE FACTS

AUTHOR: Lizzkuhn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 13, 2008
Unfortunately, I am bound by attorney-client privilege and cannot disclose all information. First of all, this client retained my services for a contested divorce. During the initial consultation, clients are informed that Hait & Eichelzer has a low retainer of $1,500. It is explained that most contested divorces, without children, run between $3,500 and $7,000. Much depends on the Judge, the opposing attorney and the complexity of the case. Most attorneys guess how much a case will cost and will charge the full amount up front.

Hait & Eichelzer, however, charges $1,500 up front. (Other attorneys would have required this client to pay $5,000 up front). This amount is like a deposit on an apartment. The firm generates a bill each month and the client is expected to pay the bill in full or contact the accounting department to be put on a low monthly payment plan. The $1,500 is applied to the bill at the end of the case. Generally, at the end of the case, the client owes Hait & Eichelzer about $1,500 and we break even. No money is owed to the firm and the firm does not owe a refund to the client.

This particular client, however, wanted the firm to continue working on her case without payment. Certainly no one works for free. When the retainer was explained again, she was infuriated and refused to pay.

Like most people, I do make mistakes. This particular client is correct. I made an minuscule insignificant error in her paperwork. When she brought it to my attention, I immediately corrected the error and removed the charge from the bill. I felt this was the proper thing to do: recognize the mistake and not charge for my error.

Like most contested divorce cases, it does cost our clients about $800 just to get the case out the door. This particular client did not know anything about her Husband's assets and liabilities. As a diligent attorney, I mailed questions to the Husband asking about debts and assets and requested documents from him. The client (who did not know about the debts and assets) wanted me to go blindly into Court and look like a fool. I refused to do so. I have to protect my own professional reputation and must try to protect the clients from themselves.

As for flirting with her Husband, I am appalled by such an accusation. It is a violation of the ethical code for an attorney to have any type of intimate relationship with a client, let alone her Husband, the opposing party. As for the accusations of the costs of COBRA, the client insisted that I speak with her and her Husband together and that I answer all of his questions. I did as the client asked. After all, even if I have a different opinion, the client has the final say.

Nothing in this response is protected by attorney-client privilege.
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