Energy Savings Solutions EnergySavingsIndustry.com No proof, no real clients, fake owner too?? Internet

I have not been ripped off thanks to the report previously posted...but my fears we're confirmed...thank you for posting.  Here are my thoughts on Energy Savings Solutions, Peter Stein, Spencer Beiler and EnergySavingsIndustry.com.

I too called and got the hard sell from salesman Spencer Bieler.  I was intrigued by the industry and income potential and the "ease" with which this opportunity could be done.  Then I started asking questions and unfortunately I got not one direct answer and was brushed off with "I'm busy, I have lots of calls to return, look at our website if you want answers."  In other words I was too much trouble for him to sell because I wanted some facts.  Spencer Beiler became downright rude at this point "I'll be here until 5 if youre interested....CLICK!"  

Here is what I asked. 

Q:  Can I speak with just one successful sales person in your organization?
A:  No.  We can't do that.  We'd have to accommodate too many people.

I have never been asked to take the success of any company I was going to work for on faith alone....especially one where I will never meet the people I would work for, who, by the way, are operating in on one of the boiler room hot-beds in the entire country in Miami, FL.

Q:  Why do you need $470 upfront from me and $25 per month?
A:  For the software.  It's a really good deal, go check it out at Office Max if you like, it's cheaper and better than salesforce.com plus you can lock in all your prospects that way.

Really.....this is sounding like a medical billing software scam now.  Let's get to the real question that he diddn't like...

Q:  Who are your clients?
A:  Lot's of companies are doing LED retrofits, like Macy's.
Q:  Macy's is your client?
A:  No.  Macy's did it another company......before we got into business .
Q:  You mention Chili's in your emails, is that and Energy Savings Solutions Company client?
A:  No.
Q:  Who are your clients?
A:  We have lots of them.
Q:  Like who?  Specifically?  Any names I would know?
A:  (Spencer Beiler huffs and puffs...)  They're on our website, did you look at our website?
Q:  Can't you just tell me who they are?
A:  I'm busy.  I have a lot of phone calls to return.  Look at our website and call me back...I'll be here until 5.  CLICK!

I did look at the website and there were nothing but "case studies", along with the aforementioned Macy's who is not their client, of many companies who have done an LED retrofit, but NONE with Energy Savings Solutions as far as I can tell.  If any of those case studies is an Energy Savings Solution customer it does not say so and I can find no news anywhere on the internet that reports that Energy Savings Solutions has even one client.

Another red flag....in all of their emails, etc. mentioning the millions of dollars in commissions that can be made they never specifically mention any client -- it's always a large airport - a major chain - a big this or that -- get the picture? 

Listen, I'd be happy to be proved wrong and have this be a real opportunity so I welcome a legit rebuttal.  The way I have been treated thus far leads me to believe that will never happen however.  Real companies don't recruit like this.