Complaint Review: ExtremeScooters.com, Dave Bergman, John Eline - Warner Robins Georgia
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ExtremeScooters.com, Dave Bergman, John Eline; Fraudulent and misleading practices, changing the deal illegally at last minute, etcetera; Warner Robins Georgia
*UPDATE Employee: Customer Has Been Taken Care Off Not Ripped Off and Was Given A Refund on 3/12/2008
*Author of original report: Sorry about the confusion.
*Author of original report: 6 More Consumer Advocacy Websites With Online Quick Complaint Forms
*Author of original report: Extreme Scooters' response to BBB.
*Author of original report: Extreme Scooters' response to BBB.
*Author of original report: Extreme Scooters' response to BBB.
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*Author of original report: FYI: IC3 is FBI and NW3C.
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*Author of original report: Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3), Re: Extreme-Scooters
*Author of original report: Response From Federal Trade Commission Re: Extreme Scooters
*Author of original report: Extreme Scooters Update & I'm still laughing at him for trying to charge me $219.90 interest for holding my $1,000 on lay-a-way.
*Author of original report: FYI: What The Office Of Consumer Affairs Can Do; Re: Extreme Scooters
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I made the mistake of not investigating ExtremeScooters.com BEFORE handing them $1,000 of my money towards lay-a-way and now I'm in the process of filing a fraudulent transaction report with my bank as well as submitting a formal report with Better Business Bureau of Georgia since the phone numbers, post office box, physical postal mailing address, and business license given in their emails stems from the State of Georgia, however, I'll further follow-up with filing a formal criminal report to Honolulu Police Department Internet Crime Division, Federal Trade Commission, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and any other authoritative agencies I can think of, but first I'm submitting this quick report to RipOffReport.com to immediately warn others incase someone else is wise enough to investigate ExtremeScooters.com before making the mistake of doing any business with ExtremeScooters.com because of so-called unethical business practices by Dave Bergman and others of ExtremeScooters.com.
To begin with, Dave Bergman used to answer my initial phone calls and he also used to respond quickly to my emails prior to having any of my funds. Yesterday I called and left 3 phone messages and two of those were to his answering service but one particular woman quickly hung-up on me the moment I politely said I'm trying to get in contact with Dave Bergman who has $1,000 of my money on lay-a-way.
During one of our initial phone conversations that Dave Bergman and I had in November of 2007, Dave Bergman quoted over the phone as well as quoted in one of his initial emails, quote: Can do a price of $1450 Total includes Residential Shipping [to Hawaii] for the Sandy Gold Tank Touring Deluxe 150cc. He additionally quoted in his email: You can go ahead and put the 2008 Sandy Gold Tank Touring Deluxe 150 on Layaway anytime, or pay for it in full. We will only ship it after its paid in full. To Start a Layaway the minimum down payment is $200. We will accept payment by personal check or money order for $1450 for the 150cc Tank Touring Deluxe 150cc Scooter, payable to Extreme-Scooters. So your Total Including Shipping to Your [Hawaii] Residence is $1450. That's the only information he gave pertaining to lay-a-way and nothing else pertaining to lay-a-way was ever mentioned since November of 2007 until today of March 1st, 2008 when all of a sudden he tried to change the deal.
The basic price of the Tank Touring 150cc Deluxe Scooter itself is $1,300 and more than once Dave Bergman quoted the shipping cost to Hawaii as an additional $150.
So then in mid-December of 2007 I made the mistake of sending ExtremeScooters a personal check for $1,000 to be placed on lay-a-way, however, since then I've had some new financial responsibilities and therefore I recently changed my mind and decided to purchase a cheaper model and have been trying to contact Dave Bergman for the past few days and I have also been leaving a few phone messages for Dave Bergman as well as an email informing him that I've changed my mind and that I will settle for purchasing a cheaper 50cc moped instead of the 150cc scooter and this morning I finally got 2 email responses from ExtremeScooters.com which starts off with Dave Bergman instructing me to sign the bill of sale for the 150cc model and then he adds, quote,
Also, Shipping to Hi has an additional overseas fees of $800
So Total With Shipping to Hi Residential Deliver with Overseas Shipping Fees is
$2250 For the Touring Deluxe. Also, all layaway are 30 days Interest Free.
After 30 days there is an interest of 21.99% and Layaway cancellation fee of 20% for all merchandise that was ordered and shipped to our wearhouse [warehouse] in the USA. He mentions nothing about my change of plans despite my email and multiple phone messages regarding my change of plans.
Then two minutes later after I received that particular email from Dave Bergman earlier this morning I also received another email from a John [Eline] at ExtremeScooters.com who writes, quote:
We Cannot Change a Layaway once it starts.
The Scooter, Touring 150 was already shipped in the Continental USA for $1450 to our wearhouse [warehouse] and is held for you.
This actually goes beyond mere unethical business practices but is rather outright criminal behavior altogether. So BUYERS BEWARE of doing business with ExtremeScooters.com. This is the first time I've ever heard of anyone offering lay-a-way business who then blatantly changes the deal after having received a substantial amount of down payment towards the lay-a-way, as well as later charging additional interest on funds held on lay-a-way and then also further charging a lay-a-way cancellation fee when they were already collecting free banking interest to begin with on the money they were holding on lay-a-way. Prior to my receiving today's emails from ExtremeScooters.com there was only one gut-feeling red-flag warning-sign early-on in November 2007 which I ignored but it did catch my attention when Dave Bergman stated in his initial email that he prefers payment be made to his post office box number instead of to his physical mailing address. The only psychological profiles I'm familiar with who would prefer doing business using a post office box rather than a physical postal mailing address are the criminal-minded, otherwise, all legitimate business that I can think of would automatically prefer to use their physical mailing address over a post office box number.
I also noticed that someone else's RipOffReport.com report also mentioned that ExtremeScooters,com does not accept credit card or debit card transactions which is actually another red-flag-warning-sign because I would normally expect a fairly large business such as ExtremeScooters would normally be authorized to accept credit cards or debit cards but for some peculiar reason they are not? Either their poor track record is not good enough to gain authorization by the major credit cards companies or most likely it's what another consumer mentioned about the credit card companies having a fraudulent department/division which ExtremeScooters would want to avoid.
Meanwhile, according to the terms presented by RipOffReport.com I am quite willing to be contacted by the media, a consumer advocate, lawyer or government authority to help further my cause or to help with any investigation, whether criminal or otherwise, against the business and/or individual(s) I am reporting and will gladly accept contact information from RipOffReport.com via RipOffReport.com if a lawyer is interested in my particular casefile or is possibly starting a class-action lawsuit against ExtremeScooers.com. The reason I completely expect to eventually receive back my full $1,000 from Dave Bergman of ExtremeScooters.com is because I'm fairly good at this sort of thing, in fact, I almost kind of enjoy doing this sort of thing of stumbling upon crooks and then having the evidence and the cause for turning them into the proper authoritative agencies.
This one almost sort of reminds me of when I had first gotten my first computer years ago and curiously investigated so-called free triple-x websites that mysteriously kept popping up on the screen and I eventually concluded there was actually no such thing as so-call free triple-x websites despite all the advertising hype and I was very careful to avoid any such paying-websites where they would automatically charge my debit card number, however, there was one particular website that managed to trick me by saying they needed my card number for proof of age only for a free tour but the moment I sensed I was getting tricked into entering a paying-website I quickly and immediately clicked on the close button within a mere tenth-of-a second or so. But sure enough they eventually charged me $40 for having spent approximately a total of a tenth-of-a-second or so on their website and then of course for several weeks thereafter they continuously gave me the complete endless run-a-round and meanwhile everyone else keep telling me it was impossible for me to get my money back from such a situation but eventually I gathered up all the evidence and submitted a fraudulent transaction with my bank and immediately got my $40 back just like I knew I would.
The more that people try to tell me it's impossible for me to get my money back then the more it only makes me laugh. I survive on a modest V.A. pension and sometimes engage in various volunteer work but otherwise I have all the time in the world to pursue and troubleshoot these things whenever I happen to stumble upon them. The best part is reversing the stress factor, for instance, Dave Bergman and others at ExtremeScooters.com thinks they'll end up stressing me out until I get so fed up with them that I'll eventually disappear but I won't disappear and I won't stop troubleshooting this issue until they've received so much legal stress in return that they'll gladly give me back my $1,000 just to get rid of me while forever regretting having trying to scam me in the first place.
I don't go looking for crooks but I sure do enjoy turning them in whenever I happen to encounter them and what Dave Bergman and ExtremeScooters is doing to me right now is blatant criminal behavior, plain and simple. I'm their worse living-legal-nightmare but they just don't know it yet. Any legitimate business would've informed me up front at the beginning if they would be charging interest on holding lay-a-way funds, nor would a legitimate business likely charge a cancellation fee on lay-a-way funds, nor would they change the deal at the last minute by trying to up the cost by a surprising $800 more, but instead a legitimate business would have had no problem with accepting my change of plans to purchase a less expensive item.
And I don't believe for a moment that they would've ordered the merchandise ahead of time prior to having received full payment. And Dave Bergman foolishly ignored my change of plans and instead he responded by trying to instruct me to pay an additional $800. Legitimate honest business people don't behave that way, only the criminal-minded behave like that. He showed his true criminal psychological profile loud and clear by completely ignoring all my recent messages and then tried to instruct me to immediately sign the bill of sale for something he knows that I no longer want, plus his attempt to change the deal by adding another $800 to the original deal. Only crooks do that.
The sad part is that I would think there'd be a good amount of honest money to be made in the business they're in to where they wouldn't feel the need to resort to engaging in criminal tactics but I can see from all the multiple reports to RipOffReport.com regarding Dave Bergman and ExtremeScooters that they prefer to be criminal-minded about their business. They've made it quite apparent that they have all intent that we must go through life to where one of us has to stress out the other and to cause grief towards the other instead of doing mutual good business and they simply won't have it any other way.
Technically, they're in the business of stressing people out, and well, so be it, I've dealt with this type of criminal-minded people before and I'd have to rate ExtremeScooters as two-bit criminals in terms of their criminal expertise. In my personal opinion they've typically gotten away with such criminal behavior for such a long time that they've typically gotten sloppy about it.
As I've said, I've dealt with this type of criminal profiles before and one of the things that they all absolutely have in common is that they all have absolutely nothing of value to say to anyone. The only things that come out of their mouths is scams and rhetoric, period. They've already provided me with sufficient evidence to show their criminal intent and I do strongly suggest to other victims of ExtremeScooters to avoid wasting your valuable time trying to seek honest solutions through further encounters with ExtremeScooters but instead go straight to any authoritative agency that comes to mind.
In my own particular situation the most I did after receiving the crazy criminal emails from ExtremeScooters earlier this morning was to place another phone call to Dave Bergman's cellular phone number and then paged him to have him call my number and then I also left a voice message saying that changing the deal on lay-a-way at the last minute is wrong and that I'll be filing a fraudulent transaction with my bank as well as submitting a report with the Better Business Bureau. Of course I knew he would not respond by calling me back but my intent was to start reversing the stress by letting him know that I'm not about to let him scam me.
At this point he's had all day to return my call but instead he chose to ignore the paging and voice message. Although RipOffReport.com does communicate with some authoritative agencies it would be within your best interest to also make the personal effort to contact such agencies yourself rather than waiting and hoping for the next person to do it for you. And while it may be common sense for many of you to avoid writing angrily, I want to strongly suggest to others to calm down and let your anger subside before writing and submitting a report to any authoritative agencies.
Avoid speaking emotionally but rather present facts as a matter of fact so that it will be easier reading for the intended reader. If you try imagining putting yourself in their place you should be able to see what I mean. If your job was to read complaints all day long, day in and day out, the last thing you want to read about is another emotional angry complaint letter that might also be filled with angry profanity, etcetera. The more you can keep it as non-emotional as possible then the easier it is for the intended reader to accept what's written and the more likely the intended reader will happily have the willing desire to process your incident report.
If you make it easier for the intended reader then you ultimately make it easier for yourself towards obtaining the kind of legal results you seek. If the issue pertains strictly to unethical business practices then I recommend starting off with submitting an incident report to the appropriate Better Business Bureau who will in-turn contact the dubious business mentioned in the incident report.
More often than not, the problem tends to get promptly resolved within a timely manner whereas harassing the perpetrators with continuous emails, postal letters, and phone calls will usually only lead to more weeks or months of further wasting your valuable time. It's also important to understand what the BBB represents which is an impartial mediator for all parties involved which is what it should rightly be. It is not a so-called consumer's advocacy entity but rather its job is to provide a common impartial ground for all sides to meet on in order to resolve issues of complaints.
Having said this, For Your Information I just went to the Georgia Better Business Bureau website and wasn't surprised at all to see that based on BBB files ExtremeScooters has, of course, an unsatisfactory record with the BBB who has processed a total of 48 complaints about ExtremeScooters in the last 36 months.
The BBB report further mentions that on April 10, 2006, ExtremeScooters signed an Assurance of Voluntary Compliance with the Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs Office and paid restitution payments totaling $11,781.
The BBB report also mentions that the Office of Consumer Affairs alleges that ExtremeScooters who also does business under the name of Extreme-Hobby has used unfair or deceptive acts or practices in the conduct of consumer transactions including:
1) Deceptively advertising, promoting, and soliciting business through its websites in violation of O.C.G.A. // 10-1-393(a), (b)(5),(b)(7), (b)(9), (b)(10), and 10-1-393.5.
2) Offered for sale and accepted payment for merchandise of particular brands but instead delivered merchandise of different brands in violation of O.C.G.A. // 10-1-393(a), (b)(5),(b)(7) and 10-1-393.5(b).
3) Represented through its websites that certain merchandise was in stock when in fact it was not, in violation of // 10-1-393(a), (b)(5) and 10-1-393.5(b).
4) Accepted payment for merchandise but failed to deliver this merchandise or provide refunds, in violation of O.C.G.A. // 10-1-393(a), (b)(9), and 10-1-393.5(b).
[The Official Code of Georgia Annotated (OCGA) is the compendium of all laws in the U.S. state of Georgia.]
The BBB has also requested basic information from ExtremeScooters but BBB has not received a response and without this information the BBB may not have current information concerning such things as the company's management or its nature of business.
If you're reading this as a matter of investigating ExtremeScooters prior to doing business with ExtremeScooters then the ultimate decision is still up to you whether or not you wish to do business with Dave Bergman and John Eline of ExtremeScooters based on their given track records as presented with the Better Business Bureau, Office of Consumer Affairs, and RipOffReport.com, however, if you're reading this because you yourself have also been victimized, then again and in quick summary, I advise that you should not waste too much of your valuable time trying to contact the perpetrators but rather make the minimal amount of effort in attempting to resolve the issue directly with the perpetrator but as soon as it's obvious and you know you're getting scammed and being giving the typical scammer's run-a-round then stop wasting anymore of your valuable time and go straight to contacting authoritative agencies.
Michael
Haleiwa, Hawaii
U.S.A.
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#15 UPDATE Employee
Customer Has Been Taken Care Off Not Ripped Off and Was Given A Refund on 3/12/2008
AUTHOR: John Eline - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, March 22, 2009
The Customer Received a Refund for his Cancelled Purchase on 3/12/2008.
We have not submitted Our Reply Until Now, because we were very disgusted by the way the customer has handled himself.
However, the customer has basically described accurately how he kept changing his mind on the model of the scooter that he ordered and how he ignored the time limit for a Layaway, etc. In addition, he was ignorant of the cost of shipping from the continental US to Hawaii.
On our web site we have many customer testemonials and photographs in particular from Hawaii that illustrate customers from Hawaii that are very content and satisfied with the scooter that they ordered from us and that we shipped to Hawaii.
Sincerely
Management
Extreme Scooters
#14 Author of original report
Sorry about the confusion.
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, March 08, 2008
My apologies to readers and RipoffReport.com for I forgot that particular links aren't permitted here. However, if I may, I'd like to warn consumers who might be thinking about posting any complaints on Con$umerReport.org because that website requires consumers to first pay money to subscribe to their subscription services in order to be allowed to post complaints on their blog. And secondly beware of Pi$$edCon$umer.com. There's even another consumer advocacy website that has blacklisted Pi$$edCon$umer.com's name. Upon further investigation of Pi$$edCon$umer.com's website I agree Pi$$edCon$umer.com is a flaky website who's goal is to try to capitalize money off of innocent victims rather than having any true concern for the misfortune of consumers. If I could remove my posting from Pi$$edCon$umer.com I would but it's too late now. After I went back to investigate further into Pi$$edCon$umer.com's website that's when they often kept mysteriously re-directing me to a suspicious webpage disguised as advice irregardless of what I was searching for or what other links I clicked on. It often kept re-directing me to a webpage where an outfit called $ecureAccount$ervice$.net tries to sound like they have the reputation for being the best at recovering funds from fraudulent websites but that outfit's own website is listed as "temporarily under construction" and I could find no other evidence anywhere in the world of that outfit's existence other than on Pi$$edCon$umer.com.
If you want to place more warnings regarding Extreme Scooters on other consumer advocacy websites then it's up to you to google for them like I have done for myself, otherwise, RipoffReport.com does have their rational and justifiable reasons for deleting links to other websites, for instance, according to RipoffReport.com's experience many times links to unknown web sites will cause your pc to freeze up and /or cause you to get a computer virus, virtually rendering your computer useless and most of the time this is the work of a Company or an Individual who has been reported. More reasons as to how come RipoffReport.com removes links, e-mail address or phone numbers from reports is provided at this RipoffReport.com URL: http://www.ripoffreport.com/whyedited.asp, or click on the link provided at the bottom of my previous update.
#13 Author of original report
6 More Consumer Advocacy Websites With Online Quick Complaint Forms
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, March 07, 2008
Besides filling out an online quick complaint form with FTC (Federal Trade Commission) and IC3 (IC3 is a partnership between Federal Bureau of Investigation and National White Collar Crime Center), if you feel you are or have been victimized by Extreme Scooters and wish to forewarn as many others as possible from making the same mistake you and I have made then please feel welcome to also post your complaint via the online quick complaint procedures on these other advocacy websites listed below:
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Thank you.
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#12 Author of original report
Extreme Scooters' response to BBB.
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, March 05, 2008
Most Recent Message From BBB:
The Better Business Bureau has received a response from the business in the above referenced complaint case. Please review their response to your original complaint and advise us of your position in the matter.
On March 03, 2008, the business (Extreme-Scooters) provided the following information:
Yes, the shipping to Hi eventhough is the US is still overseas shipping which costs additional to the price of the scooter.
The price ranges between $400 to $900 depending on the date of the order. For any layaway the sum must be paid in full within 30 days. Since Nov 2007 the amount has not been paid in full.
Currently the cost of shipping is $800.
Once a scooter is ordered on Layaway the scooter is shipped to our wearhouse from the factory and awaiting payment in full prior to shipping.
Thank-You
John Eline
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Michael's comment to BBB:
John Eline is merely reciting typical criminal rhetoric for himself as well as on behalf of Dave Bergman who clearly stated in November over the phone as well as clearly stated in Bergman's initial email that the total shipping cost for overseas to Hawaii for a particular 150cc scooter is $150, and furthermore I did not send them any money nor agree to lay-a-way until around mid-December, and on top of that there was never any mention of any $219.90 interest for holding my $1,000 on lay-a-way nor any mention of any $200 cancellation fee until a few days ago on March 1st, 2008, but most of all, they are merely trying to detour the subject away from 2 facts: Firstly, that I had changed my mind and decided to purchase a cheaper 50cc model moped instead of the more expensive 150cc scooter and that's when they turned around and gave their criminal nonsense about $219.90 interest on lay-a-way as well as their criminal nonsense about the $800 for overseas shipping and I have the emails to prove it all in conjunction with their past history in BBB and Office of Consumer Affairs records of Extreme-Scooters conducting "shady" business with a significant number of other consumers, and 2ndly, John Eline's response is merely their poor attempt to detour away from the fact that what they are doing is blatant criminal behavior but no amount of their silly typical criminal rhetoric will ever suffice to detour the issue away from the fact that this is a criminal matter we are discussing here and not just a mere business dispute, therefore, I will continue to pursue filing criminal charges against Dave Bergman and John Eline to the proper policing agencies as I've already filed an incident report with our Federal Trade Commission and our Internet Crime Complaint Center which is a partnership between our Federal Bureau of Investigation and our National White Collar Crime Center and I will continue to follow-up with submitting the incident report to Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs, as well as filing a fraudulent transaction with my bank, as well as filing an incident report with other policing entities irregardless of whether or not Dave Bergman and John Eline wants to continue at trying to scam me further and whether or not they want to illegally continue withholding my $1,000 and whether or not they end up doing the right and legal and proper thing which is to return my full complete $1,000 back to me instead of talking some more of their same criminal stupidity. Make no mistake about this situation, this is a criminal incident at issue and not a business conflict. BBB and Consumer Affairs and other records show that Extreme-Scooters have a consistent past history of various criminal behavior in doing business as Extreme-Scooters that surpasses mere unethical business practices and I will do everything within my legal rights to ensure that criminal charges are brought forth against Dave Bergman and John Eline. For future reference, since Dave Bergman and John Eline have consistently shown to display a criminal psychological profile in their behavior in how they've been conducting their criminal business activities as well as in how they've responded to this initial BBB correspondence, it just goes to show that they have typical criminal mentality and have nothing of value to say to anyone, therefore, in the future I expect to refuse to accept anymore of their typical criminal responses since it's apparent they obviously don't know anything else. I expect any further responses from Dave Bergman and John Eline will continue to be of more typical criminal nonsensical rhetoric and therefore I request that BBB do not automatically presume the issue is satisfied whether you hear from me within ten days or not, or in other words, I will most likely always answer within 10 days but I humbly request that BBB please make an exception to standard procedures and please do not automatically close this casefile under any other circumstances until I specifically state and request otherwise whenever I happen to deem the time to be appropriate in doing so. Since this is a criminal issue more so than merely a business dispute I therefore anticipate this casefile will continue as on-going for a matter of months until prosecution is officially brought against Dave Bergman and John Eline. Whether or not they wish to keep or return my $1,000 is not as crucial as stopping their criminal enterprise from victimizing others in the future. They need to be stopped and I will do everything I possibly can within my entire lifetime to stop them. They obviously made all effort of going out of their way to ensure getting my full attention and I'm glad to give it to them because somebody has to take them down and I happily volunteer to be the person to do so, in fact, if need-be I gladly volunteer making a $1,000 donation towards the Cause in order to help protect our consumers from the ilks of Dave Bergman and John Eline. Thank you kindly to all of staff at BBB of Central Georgia for your concern, cooperation, and intervention as impartial mediator and I will continue to keep BBB informed on this casefile as time progresses.
Sincerely,
Michael
#11 Author of original report
Extreme Scooters' response to BBB.
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, March 05, 2008
Most Recent Message From BBB:
The Better Business Bureau has received a response from the business in the above referenced complaint case. Please review their response to your original complaint and advise us of your position in the matter.
On March 03, 2008, the business (Extreme-Scooters) provided the following information:
Yes, the shipping to Hi eventhough is the US is still overseas shipping which costs additional to the price of the scooter.
The price ranges between $400 to $900 depending on the date of the order. For any layaway the sum must be paid in full within 30 days. Since Nov 2007 the amount has not been paid in full.
Currently the cost of shipping is $800.
Once a scooter is ordered on Layaway the scooter is shipped to our wearhouse from the factory and awaiting payment in full prior to shipping.
Thank-You
John Eline
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Michael's comment to BBB:
John Eline is merely reciting typical criminal rhetoric for himself as well as on behalf of Dave Bergman who clearly stated in November over the phone as well as clearly stated in Bergman's initial email that the total shipping cost for overseas to Hawaii for a particular 150cc scooter is $150, and furthermore I did not send them any money nor agree to lay-a-way until around mid-December, and on top of that there was never any mention of any $219.90 interest for holding my $1,000 on lay-a-way nor any mention of any $200 cancellation fee until a few days ago on March 1st, 2008, but most of all, they are merely trying to detour the subject away from 2 facts: Firstly, that I had changed my mind and decided to purchase a cheaper 50cc model moped instead of the more expensive 150cc scooter and that's when they turned around and gave their criminal nonsense about $219.90 interest on lay-a-way as well as their criminal nonsense about the $800 for overseas shipping and I have the emails to prove it all in conjunction with their past history in BBB and Office of Consumer Affairs records of Extreme-Scooters conducting "shady" business with a significant number of other consumers, and 2ndly, John Eline's response is merely their poor attempt to detour away from the fact that what they are doing is blatant criminal behavior but no amount of their silly typical criminal rhetoric will ever suffice to detour the issue away from the fact that this is a criminal matter we are discussing here and not just a mere business dispute, therefore, I will continue to pursue filing criminal charges against Dave Bergman and John Eline to the proper policing agencies as I've already filed an incident report with our Federal Trade Commission and our Internet Crime Complaint Center which is a partnership between our Federal Bureau of Investigation and our National White Collar Crime Center and I will continue to follow-up with submitting the incident report to Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs, as well as filing a fraudulent transaction with my bank, as well as filing an incident report with other policing entities irregardless of whether or not Dave Bergman and John Eline wants to continue at trying to scam me further and whether or not they want to illegally continue withholding my $1,000 and whether or not they end up doing the right and legal and proper thing which is to return my full complete $1,000 back to me instead of talking some more of their same criminal stupidity. Make no mistake about this situation, this is a criminal incident at issue and not a business conflict. BBB and Consumer Affairs and other records show that Extreme-Scooters have a consistent past history of various criminal behavior in doing business as Extreme-Scooters that surpasses mere unethical business practices and I will do everything within my legal rights to ensure that criminal charges are brought forth against Dave Bergman and John Eline. For future reference, since Dave Bergman and John Eline have consistently shown to display a criminal psychological profile in their behavior in how they've been conducting their criminal business activities as well as in how they've responded to this initial BBB correspondence, it just goes to show that they have typical criminal mentality and have nothing of value to say to anyone, therefore, in the future I expect to refuse to accept anymore of their typical criminal responses since it's apparent they obviously don't know anything else. I expect any further responses from Dave Bergman and John Eline will continue to be of more typical criminal nonsensical rhetoric and therefore I request that BBB do not automatically presume the issue is satisfied whether you hear from me within ten days or not, or in other words, I will most likely always answer within 10 days but I humbly request that BBB please make an exception to standard procedures and please do not automatically close this casefile under any other circumstances until I specifically state and request otherwise whenever I happen to deem the time to be appropriate in doing so. Since this is a criminal issue more so than merely a business dispute I therefore anticipate this casefile will continue as on-going for a matter of months until prosecution is officially brought against Dave Bergman and John Eline. Whether or not they wish to keep or return my $1,000 is not as crucial as stopping their criminal enterprise from victimizing others in the future. They need to be stopped and I will do everything I possibly can within my entire lifetime to stop them. They obviously made all effort of going out of their way to ensure getting my full attention and I'm glad to give it to them because somebody has to take them down and I happily volunteer to be the person to do so, in fact, if need-be I gladly volunteer making a $1,000 donation towards the Cause in order to help protect our consumers from the ilks of Dave Bergman and John Eline. Thank you kindly to all of staff at BBB of Central Georgia for your concern, cooperation, and intervention as impartial mediator and I will continue to keep BBB informed on this casefile as time progresses.
Sincerely,
Michael
#10 Author of original report
Extreme Scooters' response to BBB.
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, March 05, 2008
Most Recent Message From BBB:
The Better Business Bureau has received a response from the business in the above referenced complaint case. Please review their response to your original complaint and advise us of your position in the matter.
On March 03, 2008, the business (Extreme-Scooters) provided the following information:
Yes, the shipping to Hi eventhough is the US is still overseas shipping which costs additional to the price of the scooter.
The price ranges between $400 to $900 depending on the date of the order. For any layaway the sum must be paid in full within 30 days. Since Nov 2007 the amount has not been paid in full.
Currently the cost of shipping is $800.
Once a scooter is ordered on Layaway the scooter is shipped to our wearhouse from the factory and awaiting payment in full prior to shipping.
Thank-You
John Eline
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Michael's comment to BBB:
John Eline is merely reciting typical criminal rhetoric for himself as well as on behalf of Dave Bergman who clearly stated in November over the phone as well as clearly stated in Bergman's initial email that the total shipping cost for overseas to Hawaii for a particular 150cc scooter is $150, and furthermore I did not send them any money nor agree to lay-a-way until around mid-December, and on top of that there was never any mention of any $219.90 interest for holding my $1,000 on lay-a-way nor any mention of any $200 cancellation fee until a few days ago on March 1st, 2008, but most of all, they are merely trying to detour the subject away from 2 facts: Firstly, that I had changed my mind and decided to purchase a cheaper 50cc model moped instead of the more expensive 150cc scooter and that's when they turned around and gave their criminal nonsense about $219.90 interest on lay-a-way as well as their criminal nonsense about the $800 for overseas shipping and I have the emails to prove it all in conjunction with their past history in BBB and Office of Consumer Affairs records of Extreme-Scooters conducting "shady" business with a significant number of other consumers, and 2ndly, John Eline's response is merely their poor attempt to detour away from the fact that what they are doing is blatant criminal behavior but no amount of their silly typical criminal rhetoric will ever suffice to detour the issue away from the fact that this is a criminal matter we are discussing here and not just a mere business dispute, therefore, I will continue to pursue filing criminal charges against Dave Bergman and John Eline to the proper policing agencies as I've already filed an incident report with our Federal Trade Commission and our Internet Crime Complaint Center which is a partnership between our Federal Bureau of Investigation and our National White Collar Crime Center and I will continue to follow-up with submitting the incident report to Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs, as well as filing a fraudulent transaction with my bank, as well as filing an incident report with other policing entities irregardless of whether or not Dave Bergman and John Eline wants to continue at trying to scam me further and whether or not they want to illegally continue withholding my $1,000 and whether or not they end up doing the right and legal and proper thing which is to return my full complete $1,000 back to me instead of talking some more of their same criminal stupidity. Make no mistake about this situation, this is a criminal incident at issue and not a business conflict. BBB and Consumer Affairs and other records show that Extreme-Scooters have a consistent past history of various criminal behavior in doing business as Extreme-Scooters that surpasses mere unethical business practices and I will do everything within my legal rights to ensure that criminal charges are brought forth against Dave Bergman and John Eline. For future reference, since Dave Bergman and John Eline have consistently shown to display a criminal psychological profile in their behavior in how they've been conducting their criminal business activities as well as in how they've responded to this initial BBB correspondence, it just goes to show that they have typical criminal mentality and have nothing of value to say to anyone, therefore, in the future I expect to refuse to accept anymore of their typical criminal responses since it's apparent they obviously don't know anything else. I expect any further responses from Dave Bergman and John Eline will continue to be of more typical criminal nonsensical rhetoric and therefore I request that BBB do not automatically presume the issue is satisfied whether you hear from me within ten days or not, or in other words, I will most likely always answer within 10 days but I humbly request that BBB please make an exception to standard procedures and please do not automatically close this casefile under any other circumstances until I specifically state and request otherwise whenever I happen to deem the time to be appropriate in doing so. Since this is a criminal issue more so than merely a business dispute I therefore anticipate this casefile will continue as on-going for a matter of months until prosecution is officially brought against Dave Bergman and John Eline. Whether or not they wish to keep or return my $1,000 is not as crucial as stopping their criminal enterprise from victimizing others in the future. They need to be stopped and I will do everything I possibly can within my entire lifetime to stop them. They obviously made all effort of going out of their way to ensure getting my full attention and I'm glad to give it to them because somebody has to take them down and I happily volunteer to be the person to do so, in fact, if need-be I gladly volunteer making a $1,000 donation towards the Cause in order to help protect our consumers from the ilks of Dave Bergman and John Eline. Thank you kindly to all of staff at BBB of Central Georgia for your concern, cooperation, and intervention as impartial mediator and I will continue to keep BBB informed on this casefile as time progresses.
Sincerely,
Michael
#9 Author of original report
Extreme Scooters' response to BBB.
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, March 05, 2008
Most Recent Message From BBB:
The Better Business Bureau has received a response from the business in the above referenced complaint case. Please review their response to your original complaint and advise us of your position in the matter.
On March 03, 2008, the business (Extreme-Scooters) provided the following information:
Yes, the shipping to Hi eventhough is the US is still overseas shipping which costs additional to the price of the scooter.
The price ranges between $400 to $900 depending on the date of the order. For any layaway the sum must be paid in full within 30 days. Since Nov 2007 the amount has not been paid in full.
Currently the cost of shipping is $800.
Once a scooter is ordered on Layaway the scooter is shipped to our wearhouse from the factory and awaiting payment in full prior to shipping.
Thank-You
John Eline
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Michael's comment to BBB:
John Eline is merely reciting typical criminal rhetoric for himself as well as on behalf of Dave Bergman who clearly stated in November over the phone as well as clearly stated in Bergman's initial email that the total shipping cost for overseas to Hawaii for a particular 150cc scooter is $150, and furthermore I did not send them any money nor agree to lay-a-way until around mid-December, and on top of that there was never any mention of any $219.90 interest for holding my $1,000 on lay-a-way nor any mention of any $200 cancellation fee until a few days ago on March 1st, 2008, but most of all, they are merely trying to detour the subject away from 2 facts: Firstly, that I had changed my mind and decided to purchase a cheaper 50cc model moped instead of the more expensive 150cc scooter and that's when they turned around and gave their criminal nonsense about $219.90 interest on lay-a-way as well as their criminal nonsense about the $800 for overseas shipping and I have the emails to prove it all in conjunction with their past history in BBB and Office of Consumer Affairs records of Extreme-Scooters conducting "shady" business with a significant number of other consumers, and 2ndly, John Eline's response is merely their poor attempt to detour away from the fact that what they are doing is blatant criminal behavior but no amount of their silly typical criminal rhetoric will ever suffice to detour the issue away from the fact that this is a criminal matter we are discussing here and not just a mere business dispute, therefore, I will continue to pursue filing criminal charges against Dave Bergman and John Eline to the proper policing agencies as I've already filed an incident report with our Federal Trade Commission and our Internet Crime Complaint Center which is a partnership between our Federal Bureau of Investigation and our National White Collar Crime Center and I will continue to follow-up with submitting the incident report to Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs, as well as filing a fraudulent transaction with my bank, as well as filing an incident report with other policing entities irregardless of whether or not Dave Bergman and John Eline wants to continue at trying to scam me further and whether or not they want to illegally continue withholding my $1,000 and whether or not they end up doing the right and legal and proper thing which is to return my full complete $1,000 back to me instead of talking some more of their same criminal stupidity. Make no mistake about this situation, this is a criminal incident at issue and not a business conflict. BBB and Consumer Affairs and other records show that Extreme-Scooters have a consistent past history of various criminal behavior in doing business as Extreme-Scooters that surpasses mere unethical business practices and I will do everything within my legal rights to ensure that criminal charges are brought forth against Dave Bergman and John Eline. For future reference, since Dave Bergman and John Eline have consistently shown to display a criminal psychological profile in their behavior in how they've been conducting their criminal business activities as well as in how they've responded to this initial BBB correspondence, it just goes to show that they have typical criminal mentality and have nothing of value to say to anyone, therefore, in the future I expect to refuse to accept anymore of their typical criminal responses since it's apparent they obviously don't know anything else. I expect any further responses from Dave Bergman and John Eline will continue to be of more typical criminal nonsensical rhetoric and therefore I request that BBB do not automatically presume the issue is satisfied whether you hear from me within ten days or not, or in other words, I will most likely always answer within 10 days but I humbly request that BBB please make an exception to standard procedures and please do not automatically close this casefile under any other circumstances until I specifically state and request otherwise whenever I happen to deem the time to be appropriate in doing so. Since this is a criminal issue more so than merely a business dispute I therefore anticipate this casefile will continue as on-going for a matter of months until prosecution is officially brought against Dave Bergman and John Eline. Whether or not they wish to keep or return my $1,000 is not as crucial as stopping their criminal enterprise from victimizing others in the future. They need to be stopped and I will do everything I possibly can within my entire lifetime to stop them. They obviously made all effort of going out of their way to ensure getting my full attention and I'm glad to give it to them because somebody has to take them down and I happily volunteer to be the person to do so, in fact, if need-be I gladly volunteer making a $1,000 donation towards the Cause in order to help protect our consumers from the ilks of Dave Bergman and John Eline. Thank you kindly to all of staff at BBB of Central Georgia for your concern, cooperation, and intervention as impartial mediator and I will continue to keep BBB informed on this casefile as time progresses.
Sincerely,
Michael
#8 Author of original report
FYI: IC3 is FBI and NW3C.
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, March 04, 2008
The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C).
The National White Collar Crime Center is a congressionally-funded, non-profit corporation whose membership primarily comprises law enforcement agencies, state regulatory bodies with criminal investigative authority, and state and local prosecution offices. While NW3C has no investigative authority itself, its job is to help law enforcement agencies better understand and utilize tools to combat economic and high-tech crime.
#7 Author of original report
FYI: IC3 is FBI and NW3C.
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, March 04, 2008
The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C).
The National White Collar Crime Center is a congressionally-funded, non-profit corporation whose membership primarily comprises law enforcement agencies, state regulatory bodies with criminal investigative authority, and state and local prosecution offices. While NW3C has no investigative authority itself, its job is to help law enforcement agencies better understand and utilize tools to combat economic and high-tech crime.
#6 Author of original report
FYI: IC3 is FBI and NW3C.
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, March 04, 2008
The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C).
The National White Collar Crime Center is a congressionally-funded, non-profit corporation whose membership primarily comprises law enforcement agencies, state regulatory bodies with criminal investigative authority, and state and local prosecution offices. While NW3C has no investigative authority itself, its job is to help law enforcement agencies better understand and utilize tools to combat economic and high-tech crime.
#5 Author of original report
Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3), Re: Extreme-Scooters
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, March 04, 2008
Thank you for filing a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3).
Your complaint has been submitted. Once processed by the IC3, you will be sent an email containing your complaint id and password to be used for future contacts with the IC3. This process can take several hours.
The IC3's mission is to serve as a vehicle to receive, develop, and refer criminal complaints regarding the rapidly expanding arena of cyber crime. The IC3 aims to give the victims of cyber crime a convenient and easy-to-use reporting mechanism. If you have comments or problems related to the IC3 website, please contact us.
Complaint Status
The IC3 receives thousands of complaints each month and does not have the resources to respond to inquiries regarding the status of complaints. It is the IC3's intention to review all complaints and refer them to law enforcement and regulatory agencies having jurisdiction. Ultimately, investigation and prosecution are at the discretion of the receiving agencies.
Evidence
It is important that you maintain any evidence you may have relating to your complaint. Evidence may include canceled checks, credit card receipts, phone bills, mailing envelopes, mail receipts, a printed copy of a website, copies of emails, or similar items. Please keep the items in a safe location, in case you are requested to provide them for investigative purposes.
#4 Author of original report
Response From Federal Trade Commission Re: Extreme Scooters
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, March 04, 2008
Thank you for contacting the Federal Trade Commission. We entered the information you provided into our shared law enforcement data base. We share this data base with Federal, State and Local law enforcement agencies. Attached is your electronic response, which includes your reference number. Any enclosures can be found at www.ftc.gov under Consumer Protection and Consumer Information section.
Information from consumers like you helps Federal, State and Local authorities investigate possible illegal practices and enforce our laws. Someone from the Federal Trade Commission or another law enforcement agency may contact you if they need additional information to help them in an investigation.
Please visit the FTC's web page, www.ftc.gov, to get free information to help you avoid costly consumer problems.
#3 Author of original report
Extreme Scooters Update & I'm still laughing at him for trying to charge me $219.90 interest for holding my $1,000 on lay-a-way.
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, March 03, 2008
BBB notified me today that they've forwarded a copy of this casefile to Dave Bergman.
A 21.99% interest on $1,000 is equal to charging me $219.90 for holding my $1,000 on lay-a-way and meanwhile he's already been collecting banking interest for holding my $1,000 since mid-December. It's so absurd I can't stop LOL. :-) And then there's the sudden extra $800 he wants based on shipping costs when he already earlier consistently kept quoting $150 for shipping overseas. His mind-set would seem to suggest he expected or he hoped that I'd pay his new total of $2,250 which includes the extra $800 but if I did pay him his new total of $2,250 he would then further demand an additional $219.90 to cover the outrageous criminal 21.99% interest for holding my $1,000 on lay-a-way, and then in accordance with his infamous track record with Ripoff Report, BBB, and Consumer Affairs there's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that he fully intended on doing his popular bait-&-switch routine by sending me a cheaper and broken model moped, ...say what!? The best part is that he gave me all the evidence needed to thoroughly prove his criminal behavior, plus combined with his infamous track record, he's so busted. :-) But the hilarious part is that he expected I'd be the one who's all stressed out for the rest of my life while he'd be laughing his way to the bank with more of my money but in reality I can't stop laughing because the predator hasn't heard from Consumer Affairs yet. :-)
#2 Author of original report
FYI: What The Office Of Consumer Affairs Can Do; Re: Extreme Scooters
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, March 02, 2008
What Georgia Governor's OCA CAN do for our consumers:
- - Issue fines of $2,000 per violation per day against businesses that violate consumer protection laws.
- - File legal action against businesses or individuals operating in violation of Georgia law and seek injunctive relief, court-ordered civil penalties up to $5,000 per violation per day, and other remedies as appropriate.
- - Seek enhanced or double penalties from violators whose victims are elderly or disabled.
- - Pursue criminal charges against individuals or companies who commit fraud through identity theft, telemarketing, home repair, or a computer network such as the Internet.
- - Order businesses to stop any unfair or deceptive activities by issuing cease-and-desist orders.
- - Obtain reimbursement from businesses for consumer losses.
- - Obtain settlements from businesses regarding their future activity in the marketplace.
- - Investigate consumer complaints alleging fraud.
- - Mediate between consumers and businesses.
What Georgia Governor's OCA CANNOT do for our consumers:
- - Give legal advice or act as your private attorney.
- - Provide information about the reputation of a particular business or individual, although this may be available from the Better Business Bureau.
- - Handle a complaint filed by one business against another, except in very limited circumstances.
- - Handle a complaint where another state or federal government agency has primary authority.
Although the Better Business Bureau is usually the best place to start when filing a complaint, their job duties is limited to that of being an impartial mediator without any legal powers for posing fines or enforcing laws, however, their upstanding reputation and popularity among consumers and authoritative agencies alike, and also the ease of filing a quick complaint is what makes our Better Business Bureau so very useful and more often than not is the speediest solution for remedying conflicts that otherwise fail to resolved without outside intervention. But where our Better Business Bureau is lacking in legal powers, our Office of Consumer Affairs can impose fines and enforce the law upon proven violators.
The purview for handling casefiles in Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs may or may not fall within their criteria but if not then they adequately help our consumers to connect with the appropriate agency or agencies.
According to Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs Complaint Procedure, a significant quantity of complaints about a business may give rise to legal action but not on behalf of the individual complainants but rather to enforce state law.
Submitted complaints must set forth the problem chronologically and must be accompanied by copies of relevant documents such as invoices, contracts, or previous correspondence with the business.
#1 Author of original report
Re: Extreme-Scooter Inc. Update.
AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, March 02, 2008
Earlier this evening of March 1st I've also submitted reports to Better Business Bureau of Central Georgia and to Federal Trade Commission Complaint Form regarding Dave Bergman's criminal tactics and will continue to follow-up with a fraudulent transaction with my bank as well as file a criminal incident report wherever applicable.
He apparently has the reputation of doing the bait-&-switch routine and I feel somewhat lucky that I never did end up making any final purchases or else I would expect at this point that he would not hesitate to send me something other than what I would've been getting.
The way things are now, I'm still laughing over the way he tried to suddenly and illegally up the deal by another $800 as though he was actually stupid enough to really think I'd fall for it. This guy surely deserves a nomination for this year's dumb criminal award, hahahahaha!!!, when I peek into his mind-set this guy just cracks me up. There he was thinking he's about to successfully increase his scam while in reality all he did was adequately provide all the sufficient evidence needed to throughly incriminate himself.
I've run into my fair share of dumb criminals before but this guy surely takes the cake. It just goes to show that sheer stupidity holds no boundaries. :-)
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