Complaint Review: Face 2 Face Sales Solutions - Grand Rapids Michigan
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- Face 2 Face Sales Solutions Grand Rapids, Michigan United States of America
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Face 2 Face Sales Solutions Face 2 Face: Fraudulent company out to ruin lives! They Lie about Pay! Grand Rapids, Michigan
*UPDATE Employee: This pig wearing cute clothes did not have their life ruined by making money hand over foot!
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WOW, where do I begin with these people? Let's start with the lies.
They have this independent contractor agreement that promises you laptops and uniforms. They make you sign it. You get none of it. At first glance, it looks good. A sales job walking around with an expensive laptop in company provided uniforms? I thought, why not? Yeah, none of that is true. Must no be illegal to promise employees things you never plan on giving them.
The best part is the 1099 part of it. Anyone who's been in sales knows you can't require certain demands of a 1099 position. These people treat you like W4 employees but illegally don't want to provide the benefits that go along with it. Restrictive hours, "have to be here at a certain time", no health coverage...ever. I wish someone with the IRS would read these reports. These people are absolute frauds and what they do is illegal.
Then you've got your pay. I know a lot of sales people in the industry. One week it was a 2 week pay with these guys. Then it was a 1 week pay. Then it was no training pay at all. Just another Pyramid scheme set up for a few months. They change their compensation so often, you know these fools are losing money hand over foot. Bottom line...if you work with these guys, don't expect to be paid what you're owed.
They provide no gas cards or any benefit at all, but want 1099s showing up in the mornings and after shifts, after wandering around in the cold knocking on people's doors. They'll tell you it's lead sales, but it's like they pull names out of the phone book. Those aren't leads. People were shocked when I showed up. These people are jokes to the industry. When you need to lie to people to get them into your company, that says it all.
They pump advancing to management quickly. Never have seen or heard of anyone getting promoted there. They just want you to wander around and knock doors, so they'll just lie to get you in the door.
Every other door 2 door direct sales company I've worked with knows about these guys and they laugh when I mention them. This place has only been open for 6 months as a company and already the competition just scoffs and knows they won't make it. There is NOTHING permanent about this company. It's a pyramid scheme that will close up a month after you take the job. Later on, I found out that this is just a different failed company with a new name WOW. You know what they say about putting cute clothes on a pig....
Do not, under any circumstance work for these people. Do yourself a favor. I don't know the owner, but if he knew the type of illegal activity, false promises, and executive incompetance going on with his company I can't imagine what he'd think. I'm putting this out as a warning so you don't take a job with these people and their lies end up hurting you. If the IRS wants an easy case, I suggest they look up Face 2 Face before they're defunct and have a new Pyramid Scheme name.
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#1 UPDATE Employee
This pig wearing cute clothes did not have their life ruined by making money hand over foot!
AUTHOR: F2F team member - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, January 04, 2011
WOW, where do I begin with this person? Let's start with the lies.
The first point made is about laptops and uniforms. I have been here for several months and have never heard anything about a laptop! I knowsomeF2F clients in other cities have netbooks, but never for Grand Rapids. I do, however, get dressed in my company provided shirt, coat, hat and come into an office where I am provided coffee, food, unlimited promotional materials, and everything else needed to be sucessful. I did sign a contract when I started, but I unlike the complainer, I read it before I signed it. I can confidently say that everything laid out in the agreement has been as promised including what to expect as a 1099 contractor.
As a 1099 contractor they cannot tell me when to come or go. I show up in the mornings to apre-shift meeting. I get advise from mgt and other reps, recognized for my sales the day prior, given prizes I won, and get pumped up for my day.I am not required to be there! They won't not pay me if I am late or don't even show up. But the atmosphere is so great who wouldn't want to be there? I have worked sales for years and have never felt like I am part of ateam like I do at F2F. Mgt actually wants me to be sucessful. They are always happy to see meand just a phone call away ifI ever need some help. In additon to everything else F2F gives us, they also have great sales techniques that they share all the time, always trying to improve us as a team. The amountand hours I workis subject to having client call centers open, but other than that I am free to set my schedule. PersonallyI like that I don't have to walk around at night, talking to people in their pajamas.
Next let's talk about compensation and training pay. This fall they did change their training pay, but onlyto pay more.I wish when I startedI didn't have to spend two whole weeks in a classroom beforeI was able to get out there and make money hand over fist!Like I stated before I have worked here forseveral months now... and I have never once seenpay change.I think this person quit making sales, which is why their paychecks kept decreasing. Paying less is different thanmaking less pay!
Also, the office provides me with leads...and NOT from a phone book! They are leads from ATT, of existing ATT customers, who have been notified that I am coming to thier area. I know they have been notified because ATT has sent me information notifing me that someone was coming to my home soon. No the appointments are not preset but that has never stopped me from bringing home $500 easily each week.
If anyone was interested in advancing to management level it does happen. I have seen several people in F2F get promoted, and not like a pyramid either. A promotion to mgt is earned, and they don't change every week (as was indicated in a seperate post).
Seems like this person doesn't understand hard work since they have worked with several other Door 2 Door companies since they left us (as indicated in thier post). But what they must have figured out is that the F2F Grand Rapids office out performs all of the competition and they pay very competitively, which is why they have kept me coming back every week!
Also, I think it is safe to say that this company is not going anywhere. When the owner of Face 2 Face sold the company Reese Brothers (which he built from the ground up) it sold for $250 million- You can google that, it's public record! TRG (the company he sold to) is one ofthe the largest telemarketing companies worldwide to date. Again you can google that too! If you google the management and executive team members you will see some rather impressive resumes. I don't think they would have left thier other jobs to start F2F if it wasn't going to be successful and around for awhile!
On toa note to the complainingauthor...
I suggest they do a little research...like the definition of a pyramid scheme. And freshen up on his/her cliches because I have never heard of losing money 'hand over foot' or 'putting a pig in cute clothes'?!?! lol But if that's what they like to do on a Saturday night then so be it!
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