Heyuan International and several more working together. insaist.comwww.heyuaninternaitonal.com.torictradinghk.comwww.samsungelecstore.com mingzhizhuhk.com/ Bait and switch Scam...too good to be true pricing. Hong Kong Internet

My wife and I signed up for an account with Alibaba.  Before doing so we opened up a brand new Gmail e-dress for messages from potential providers to go into.

The day after opening the account on Alibaba we started to recieve messages offering us incredible deals on Cel phones and computers.  My first thought was that they were fakes...so I challenged serveral and they insisted that they were real.  I then asked for proof that they were real, was directed to pretty slick web pages with loads of available merchandise...always 'contact us for latest pricing.'

After a few days back and forth we decided to do a test trade with one of them.  I ordered 5 I-Phones and they wanted a Western Union.  I thought better to do a bank to bank wire as I was under the impression that the banking system would have some sort of a monitor of fraudulent histories on accounts or in other words that if people were being defrauded they would have flagged the accounts to protect clients.

I expected as they promised that the next day we would recieve a tracking number...we did not...they said there was a problem with confirming the wire.  This got me suspicious.  I pressed them and gave them a deadline or I would attempt to pull the funds back...little did I know that the funds were gone and they were just stalling.  

Next they tried to tell me there was a problem with the customs and they needed 700 dollars on top of the money I had already sent in order to get the Chinese customs happy.  I said no thank you and that I wanted my money back. I have not heard from them since.

In this same time I challenged another provider as to why they were real and trustworthy as I had the first.  To my surprise they sent me word for word the same letter of assurance and the same list of cleints and important companies who could vouch for them and the same tracking numbers from DHL for the same delivery of merchandise to companies as the first company I did this with.

This is when I realized that his is several companies using almost identical web sites, offering nearly identical products and the identical assurances of 'long term business is real business.'

Now what I have found interesting is that we did not ask for quotes on Alibaba for any of the products we were offered.  And the offers to products came rolling in THE VERY NEXT DAY after signing up on Alibaba.  So the organized crime syndicate is directly tied to Alibaba.  The e-mail address we used did not exist the day before and the only place we signed up with it was Alibaba.  

I was in touch with Alibaba but got no response.  I spoke to a lawyer who said that I was spitting in the wind and I woudl be the only one wet at the end of it.

Heyuan International was the site I tried to do business with, but it is remarkable close to several who contacted us.   HongKong Mingzhizhu Trading Company was another.  Skype ID: mingzhizhuhk.  Another was HK Insaist Electronics Products and Ms Victoria was the contact person there.  There was one we threw out right away called Samsun Elec Store and the Skype contact there was Justin.jiang82.  There was Hong Kong Toric Tading Limited and Ms. Evelyn there.  They also wanted us to send the cash...by this time we had been burned by Ms. Fairy with Heyuan International and so when this Ms. Evelyn asked how she could earn my trust I told her since DHL offer a collect upon delivery option that would be just fine...I had already researched it and it IS an established practice in China...but they refused outright.

Now Aliababa will not respond to our repeated attempts to get comment from them.  We were under the impression since our contact information COULD ONLY have come from Aliababa that they would want to look into this but they have refused to do anything, even respond.

So long and the short of it...Aliababa is either implicitly or complicitly involved in the defrauding of potential trade partners.  I would never deem to do business with anyone in China again in an internet arrangment.  My bank said that I was not the only person who recently sent money to China to discover it was a rip off and I asked them why it was AFTER the money was gone that it occured to them to mention that and not before.