Hong's Usa Taekowndo Inc., Master Hong, uantu, soon Pil Hong ripoff, deciet, false and misleading information, inflated facts and bio Niles Michigan

This is in response to the 12/2/06 post above about Grand Master Soon Pil Hong. I do not wish to malign the writer. I was not privy to the conversation and he is free to have his own opinion, obviously. However, I feel my opinion is a more accurate depiction of Master Hong since I have studied under him for almost two years.

My first comment, though, is why the gentleman's post in on this site. It's listed as a consumer comment. But he did not consume. He apparently never lost a dime. How exactly can that be considered a ripoff? But I digress.

The visit this gentleman had to Master Hong's establishment is unfortunate. He seemed to misread Master Hong entirely. I'll address many of the points. Master Hong frequently speaks of phony instructors whether they be Korean or American. I've seen numerous people come into his office to complain about being duped and ripped off by other schools. He is very frustrated by others demeaning his art through corruption. Master Hong is licensed through South Korea and it is a major component of his discussion with potential students. I am positive he was speaking in general (as he often does) and not demeaning this gentleman or his background.

I am quite certain I was in the class this gentleman observed. We may not have had a very strenuous class that night. We rarely do with a beginner in street clothes. Master Hong does not force anyone to buy a uniform. (A student needs one for promotion tests, but that is another matter.) I took classes in street clothes for two months. Or someone may have just come in to try out a class. That's usually the case for people in street clothes. And classes with beginners rarely involve falls and throws. How can someone expect a beginner to throw and fall in their first class? If this gentleman (or anyone for that matter) is expecting an aggressive, strenuous class every time then he simply needs to find another school. Our classes are tailored to the age, rank, and physical abilities of the students. Isn't that the way it should be? How is that something to deride?

Again, I wasn't privy to the office conversation so I cannot comment on that. All I can say is that I have never observed Master Hong belittle or be arrogant with anyone. Even as a beginner in street clothes he addressed me as sir. He is an 8th degree black belt and I have never once seen him at pompously or show even a hint of an ego. Master Hong preaches courtesy and integrity and practices it daily. I feel, as a student for almost two years, that I really do know Master Hong. I certainly know him better than someone who has only spoken with him once for a few minutes. Master Hong a phenomenal asset to the martial arts.

Would I recommend his school to anyone? Heck, yes. I already have. They have joined his school and love it. We are not being scammed. I was a valedictorian in high school, graduated from Notre Dame, and am a professional engineer. I feel I am intelligent enough to know if I am being ripped off. If Master Hong was anything but authentic, I would have left long ago. I appreciate everything he teaches me. I cannot think of a single instance that would cause me to disparage his impeccable and internationally known reputation.

Dan Delgado
South Bend, Indiana
Proud member of Hong's USA Taekwondo

Grandmaster Soon Pil Hong is getting tired of people attacking him by saying that he is not a true Korean Grandmaster and that he makes up things to change in the martial arts to benefit him. He has been in the Michiana Area for more than 23 years. He has ALWAYS been honest about his martial arts background and his strong connections still with his teacher in Seoul, South Korea. If you think he is making up this connection, check his web site: hongsusataekwondo.com, the Universal American National Taekwondo Union's web site: uantu.org, and the Universal Taekwondo Habgido Gumdo Union at their address in South Korea: Seoul Yangchung Gu Mog 2 Dong, 526-8H0, Seoul South Korea. Their web site is utukorea.org.

Grandmaster Hong has had 39 years that he has dedicated to his teacher. He has worked with other well-known grandmasters and masters in South Korea to start using the correct spelling of HABGIDO more often. HAPKIDO is the wrong spelling. For many years, it was spelled that way. When Koreans speak, they talk very rapidly, faster than English speaking people normally do. English speaking people, for a very long time, misunderstood the pronounication to be HAPKIDO. HABGIDO is the correct way to say it and spell it.

Grandmaster Hong is not making this up. For more than 40 years, they have been using HABGIDO in South Korea, where there are more than a 100 dojangs, including Grandmaster Hong's teacher's dojangs, that use the correct spelling of HABGIDO. It is not the only Korean word that has been mispelled and mispronounced over the years. KIA (the Korean-based car company) really should be GIA. The Korean city of PUSAN was also wrong. It was changed to the correct spelling BUSAN. That is not a lie. It can be documented. He has witnesses, that have gone on the annual trip to South Korea, that will verify that they saw and heard the native Korean people using the correct spelling & pronounication of HABGIDO.

As to Grandmaster Hong's being accused of making fun of peple who had trained in Korea. Grandmaster Hong has never called legitimate people, who can document their having received training in South Korea from authentic Korean grandmasters, "phony martial artists". Grandmaster Hong has had experience with martial art schools in the Michiana area who have lied about their rank level and martial arts background. These people have been brought to the public's attention through reports on local TV channels and other forms of media. Grandmaster Hong does not go after martial artists, whatever their style is, who only state the truth about who they are and where their martial artist background is based.

Grandmaster Hong has said " I will meet anyone face to face that accuses me of lying about my background". Why are you hiding behind this web site and possibly a false name? If this type of behavior does not stop, Grandmaster Hong will do his best to find out who you are and take you to court for slander.

As to what he teaches in the Habgido classes, Grandmaster Hong is not going to teach introductory or intermediate level students the master level techniques. They need to understand the basics before they can progress to the more advanced & difficult techniques. The techniques, that are taught, are chosen to fit the students physical makeup and strength levels. Children, women, and men maybe taught different techniques based on their body size, age, ability, etc. You can not expect a child to perofrm the same techniques that an adult can. They will not have the strength and body mass neccessary to complete it.

You said that it was disrespectful that Grandmaster Hong allowed a student to train on the mat in street clothes. Stop attacking him if you do not have the full story. He allows students to workout in their street clothes during the free trial lesson/period. Upon joining our dojang, they are required to purchase a uniform for whatever martial art they are interested in, as soon as possible.

Grandmaster Hong has always been polite to potential students, when they inquire about memberships. You are reading the situation all wrong when you say that he "rolled his eyes in that your full of sh** way". Talk about being disrespectful. He never forces people to sign up when they are not ready. Yes, he will try to convince them to sign up (what business owner woudln't try to sell something to a customer), but he never forces anyone too.

If you have problems with Grandmaster Hong and how he teaches, meet with him face to face to discuss them. Grandmaster Hong will defend the authentic, traditional Korean martial arts of TAEKWONDO, HABGIDO, and GUMDO. He is not a violent man. He is just sick and tired of people who hide behind false names & attack him and the legitimacy of his experience and martial arts background. If you want to see the truth for yourself, come to the 3rd World UTHGU (Universal Taekwondo Habgido Gumdo Union)Taekwondo Habgido Gumdo Championships that he is hosting at the University of Notre Dame Fieldhouse from July 27-29, 2007.

There will be grandmasters/masters coming from South Korea, along with the Korean International World Champion XPL Taekwondo Demonstration Team. There will also be competitors coming from across the United States and from other countries. For more details, please visit the web site: www.uantu.org. Would all these people be coming to the World Championships, that Grandmaster Hong is hosting, if he was a fake? I don't think so. They are coming because they love authentic, traditional Korean martial arts and want to attend seminars to learn more about them, as well as compete against each other.

Stop attacking Grandmaster Soon Pil Hong and his life long accumulation of experience and skill. Feel free to check out his background. He is not the one hiding anything.

Miss C. Garrett

I went to Hong's taekwondo dojong several months ago because I was intersted in taking Hap
Ki Do classes again. I had studied Hap Ki Do in Korea for almost 2 years when I was in the Air Force and stationed there. I found several things that disturbed me about the Hap Ki Do classes at his dojong.

First, comments were made by Grand Master Hong about "phony" Korean masters coming to the states and not being able to perform their techniques on bigger guys. Since he knew where I had studied, I felt those comments were directed at me. I thought, that's not a good way to attract new students.

As far as performing Hap Ki Do techniques on bigger guys, when I was just starting Hap Ki Do a 110-120 lb. Okinowan woman, who was also a student and a Black Belt did'nt have much difficulty throwing me around like a rag doll. As I learned and grew in the art, sure, I could resist, I knew what was coming. That's the point, when I "need" to use my Hap Ki Do they won't know its coming.

The Hap Ki Do style I saw that night consisted of a few wrist locks, some arm bars and grab defenses. None of the students even broke a sweat during the class that I could see. I would have reached a full sweat after warm up excerises in Korea. There were no standing break falls, no throws, no inside or outside circle techniques, not really much of anything.

He also let a student train on the mat in street clothes. Which I feel is very disrespectful, but hey, it's not my dojong. Spell it Hab Ki Do or Hap Ki Do, it was not what I know "The Way Of Coordinated Power" to be. (Why is GM Hong's school the only school that I can see that has changed the spelling? I've read nothing about this in any martial arts magazine, or seen any thing on the internet.)

After the class I went to GM Hongs' office to inquire about prices for the class and ask some questions. I told him about my training in Korea and the fact that I would train 2-3 times a day, every day, mostly twice, but would sometimes make it to the evening class that most of the black belts attended and once on Saturday. He just rolled his eyes in that "your full of sh**" way. I'm sure he trained that much or more when he first started in the martial arts. I'm thinking this guy must have so many students he does'nt want or need anymore.

When I asked about prices I was still considering enrolling my daughter in a Taekwondo class. He showed me the price list, it was'nt to outragious, but I told him I wanted to talk my wife about it. He has the nerve to say "do you have to ask your wife to do everything"? I calmly stated that, no, I don't need to ask her about everything, but when it comes to enrolling our daughter in his class I felt I should. He just laughed.

What an embarassment to the martial arts,
regardless of your rank, the number of martial arts magazine covers your picture is on or how many people in the public service community have
written you letters, it does not change what you really are.

Suffice it to say I'll continue to look for another HAP KI DO school or maybe another style altogether.

This rebuttal was written because of questions as to actual rank by certain instructors, is Mr. Hong really a Grand Master, who taught who, etc. I've expressed my opinions on the quality of the Hap Ki Do being taught at his school. Would I recommend his school to anyone? Heck no.

I don't know the answers to all the questions surrounding these issues, nor does it matter to me anymore. But I do know two things, I know my Grand Masters' lineage, it can traced back to Young Sul Choi, who started HAP KI DO. Is my Grand Master really a Grand Master? You bet he is, and, HE ACTS LIKE ONE!!

Steve,
that is an excellent idea.
however to truly assist you in your endeavor it would be easier to discuss your particular situation .

we would be happy to assist you in your training.

Sincerely,
TDMA STAFF

I am a martial arts student who is looking to improve. Although it seems that there is an ongoing battle of who is correctly ranked to teach and who is not, I (as an unbiased student)am more concerned about who can help me reach my goals in the martial arts.

I humbly request a posted response from each instructor regarding the best ways to improve my flexibility and any suggestions for books, CD roms, web links and any other study material that you can recommend.

This will help me to decide from this site who I wish to have as my instructor.

Thank You

Bruce

P.S. May I suggest formatting your response on e-mail or word format and then completing a spell check before submitting. Not to offend you in any way, but I know of several potential students that would not come to you because they would think you don't know how to spell.

Thanks again

This is an update to let anybody that reads through this post know that Master Hong is still teaching high quality Korean martial arts just as he has in the Michiana community for the past 20 years. Both his Niles and Mishawaka schools are operational and producing satisfied students.

The people on the other side of this argument are not in the same position. Their school in Dowagiac, CLOSED. Their school in Mishawaka, CLOSED. Both schools have closed and they have not opened another location.

They even blatently lied to the Michiana Community. Their web site, http://clix.to/cheongkyumkwan , advertised Hapkido Championships & World Martial Arts Festival Saturday May 13th 2006 at the South Bend Century Center. No such event existed. This is an example of the integrity of the people who were calling Master Hong a liar and a fraud. These people have created lies about hosting tournaments in the community. Master Hong hosted a US Open tournament at the University of Notre Dame that same weekend and it was a success. His accusers have opened and closed martial art schools at such a pace they could not teach qaulity martial arts. Teaching martial arts is a long term endeavor, many many years.

If you have read this far through this post it is obvious who the frauds are and who the integrible martial arts instructor is.

" If you are in the Michiana community and want to know the difference between Hong's and T&D check out both schools and judge for yourself. "

Excellent Summation, John ! I agree completely with this statement.

I could add a few comments...

First, if you go to a bookstore and find flyers stuck in magazines libeling a particular business, you should know that this tactic is illegal.

The bookstore owners definitely don't want people sticking flyers in their magazines !

There's usually a sign on the door, "NO SOLICITING".

Would you even want a teacher that would stoop to libel and trespass ?

Second, if you email John at his above address, you will step into a trap.

He set it up, you see, to get T&D emails so he could perpetrate more libel.

Forgive us if we decline to have our identities stolen.

By all means, visit a School and meet the Instructor before forming an opinion !

Be careful, don't sign anything on the first visit ! No matter WHO sticks a contract in your face.

If "Free Workout" is an option, take it. It's only sensible.

And Third, "Don't take any Wooden Nickels".

If someone has a bad rep and he's trying to pass off blame on others, think hard and then 'walk on by'.

If you want training, I'm sure there are many good Schools to choose from.

Find someone you're comfortable with, and if you have children who wish to learn, make sure the Instructor is GOOD with children before signing a contract.

Fourth, "Tiger and Dragon" Schools will accept payment monthly.

"Try it, you'll like it !"

But once you sign a contract with Hong's USA, you WILL be turned over to a faceless finance company immediately.

And once the three day 'Grace Period' passes, you will have no legal recourse.

None.

This rip off report is about Master Hong's integrity, martial art history, and ability to teach martial arts. Master Hong's credentials are listed on hongsusataekwondo.com. His contact info is also listed. If anybody wants to verify his credentials contact him, and he will give you the contact info. As for his ability to teach martial arts, visit his school and check him out.

The only way to judge a martial artist is in person. Go to their school, see how they teach, and research their background. If they advertise something, make them prove it. If they try to lead you in circles, give you vague answers as to where their rank is from, or refuse to give the proper contacts to verify their rank, they cannot be trusted. If you are in the Michiana community and want to know the difference between Hong's and T&D check out both schools and judge for yourself.

I have asked the T&D instructors repeatedly to admit what credible martial arts organization their rank is from. They avoid my single question with unprofessional responses. They have had the opportunity to prove the authenticity of their rank to anybody that reads this board, and have responded by stating they know where their rank is from. That tells the consumer reading this site nothing. They are questioning Master Hong's integrity, but won't prove their own integrity when given the opportunity. If you teach martial arts to the community, and advertise to the community you are affiliated with a major martial art organization, your rank and affiliations should be public knowledge.

My name is John Nowicki, and I have been a student of Master Hong's for over three years. I have learned a great deal about martial arts from Master Hong, and the discipline from this training is helping me through college. I have been in enough physical altercations in my life to know if someone teaching me self defense knows what they are talking about, and what Master Hong teaches is extremely effective. I have also played competetive sports all of my life so I am able to tell the difference between a bad coach, a good coach, and a great coach. Master Hong is a great coach.

There is nobody in the Michiana area who can compare to Master Hong's martial art ability. His ability to instruct, and motivate is unquestionable. This is not something that could be learned in ten or twenty years, it would take a lifetime of dedication to achieve this ability. Master Hong has been training for nearly forty years, and is still affiliated with the same instructor. That is an amazing accomplishment as far as professionalism is concerned.

I will offer the T&D instructors one last opportunity to answer my question. Where is your rank from? Please be professional, you are claiming to run an ethical business. If you wish to continue arguing, e-mail me mudojmn@hotmail.com

I welcome anybody that reads this website, and has any questions to contact me. If anybody wishes to verify my martial arts experience contact Master Hong at http://www.hongsusataekwondo.com or the Director of the UANTU at http://www.uantu.org

Thank you for reading my posts,

John M. Nowicki

John -- You are not showing the PROOF.

Show the So-Called Proof that you say we (T&D) are frauds

What I am telling you to do is this, Scan your So-Called Proof and then print it on this site.

I know that we (T&D) are Recognized by our Affiliations, I do not need to go to any (site) that you mention just to confirm it again.

Again if you have this So-Called Proof, why are you scared to POST IT on this website.

There John now I have spelled it out for you.

When you went to our Mishawaka school (T&D) you said that you gave Master Bolen the opportunity to tell his side of the story? You said that he declined.

That is your side of it and you will say anything to make your side look credible.


What I was told by Master Bolen was, that you came in and asked to see his certificates in Hapkido and his Kukkiwon certificate #.

You did not specify what Kukkiwon Dan that you wanted so Master Bolen gave you one. He has six certificates.


Does your wrist feel better now? :) That trick of Power-Checking a handshake is so immature... especially if you lose.


We all knew what you and Hong were going to do with the one that you got and you did exactly what we thought you would do.

Master Bolen showed you his Hapkido Certificate NOT the Participation certificate.


Now you've got me answering for other people, that is not why I started posting on this website for.

I will only respond to what is said about myself.

John and C-Buchanan (Cheryl), I will not tell you who our Grandmasters are.

They do not want to be part of your Childish Tempertantrum.

The other reason is what Cheryl G. Cherie did to Grandmaster Chang Seong Dong on his website.

No RESPECT for other people, People with a lot higher RANK too.

Our Grandmasters KNOW who we are, mainly Master Bolen and that is all that matters.

NO John, 3rd Dan is not Master. Do NOT TWIST what I said AGAIN.

I am 3rd Dan going for 4th, Master.

Again, we (T&D) are not UTU (Universial Taekwondo Union) NOR are our Grandmasters.

I could understand this Childish argument IF we were UTU.

The UTU is not the GOD of ALL Taekwondo organizations.

Get a grip on reality.

Master Bolen knows several Grandmasters in Korea from his Military Career.

John -- I see that you like to debate.

You should become a Politician, A Republican ??

JUST WALK AWAY FROM THIS.

"Rank means nothing if you cannot verify it. Your credibility is on the line here. What do you have to hide? Where is your rank from?"

Okay, let's flip this around.

Why don't you post all YOUR credentials ? Hong's Master, Hong's Master's Teacher, all the way up.

Contact info, personal emails, telephone numbers in Korea.

Post a website with scans of all your certificates and pictures.

IF you have any...

Of course, you might be embarrassed if somebody started calling and calling your superiors, making claims and charges to annoy your GrandMasters.

And of course, it's possible that when your higher-ups find out what's really been happening, they will be UPSET.

These GrandMasters likely meet at competitions. What are the odds they're friends ? How will they like finding out what you're doing?

These are the tactics we can definitely expect from your side.

It's so obvious what you are attempting, just give it up and walk away.

As for credibility, YOU don't have any. You only repeat what you've been told to say, like a disfunctional parrot.

You have minimal experience in the Martial Arts, but you presume to judge people with three times your training.

As IF you could judge a GrandMaster you've never met, just because Hong tells you lies !

You obviously have never been taught the proper respect for the Korean Masters.

You don't KNOW any of the people you attack.

Why should anyone even believe YOU have any training?

You have no credible claim to judge anybody.

The proof I showed was that T&D is claiming to be recognized by Kukkiwon, and Korea Hapkido Federation. I offered contact information so people could confirm the truth. Are you saying that T&D are recognized by KHF, and KKW? I offered Master Whalen's contact info because he is the US director of the KHF. If anybody wants to verify if a school or instructor in America are affiliated with KHF he is the person to contact.

William, I will not stoop to your level and try to point out your grammatical errors, you have made plenty.

Lets be direct. I did not simply ask what rank the T&D instructors were. I also asked where is it from, and who awarded it. If you will tell people you are 3rd or 6th dan, but you won't tell where it is from, why should anybody believe you? If it is authentic you will be proud to state where it came from.

Rank means nothing if you cannot verify it. Your credibility is on the line here. What do you have to hide? Where is your rank from?

John, I'm disappointed with you.

Here you made the 2005 Dean's List at SMC, the same College I went to, and you can't spell !

Now, I didn't make the Dean's List, but at least I CAN spell !

You asked for the rankings, and I gave them to you.

Then you say : "Anybody can say they are any rank. I could get online, order a belt, a certificate, and call myself wahtever rank I want."

So, I give you what you ask for, and then you say it means nothing.

Why should I even bother being straightforward with you then?

Your buddy, Cheryl, AKA C - Buchanan, has a history of harrassing the Korean Masters affiliated with T&D.

She goes into tirades scripted by Master Hong, and it honestly gets annoying ! The Master she contacted cooly told her they weren't interested in her claims.

The more we give Cheryl, the more harrassing emails she gets to send out.

If we post all the details online, then Cheryl gets all happy and starts harrassing people again.

You want to know more, show up in person ! You have the address.

The trouble is, that the people on your side of the dispute are happy to work by undermining, backstabbing, libel, and rumor mongering.

Just as YOU do, John. You don't KNOW these people, you just shill for Master Hong, and as I said, I'm disappointed in you.

I don't know who "Samuel" is, but I wish he'd never started this.

The smear campaign, the harrassing phone calls, the flyers stuck in Martial Arts magazines, were annoying enough, but this...

"http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/eng/promotion/simsa_eng4.asp?div=5"

So, you finally mentioned SOMETHING concrete ! Yaaaay !

The Kukkiwon website says for promotion:

" 3rd to 4th Dan 3 years 21 years and above"
" 5th to 6th Dan 5 years 30 years and above"

So, the MINIMUM age to achieve 4th Dan is 21.

The Minimum age to achieve 6th Dan is 30 years, assuming you start when you're a child.

So, you posted a helpful link, thanks ! Didn't you read it first ?

You wrote: "I would like to know which martial art organization in Korea will issue a 3rd dan a masters certificate. The earliest I have ever heard of is 4th dan"

Well, think about it. Brian's Third Dan NOW. Testing would be for Fourth, therefore... what was your point again ?

And even if I accept your math, Brian has 11 years in TaeKwonDo.

Sufficient to promote to Instructor, according to YOU.

There's a subtle detail you've missed.

You don't need a Master Instructor license to teach at a school. You need a Master Instructor license to OWN a school.

Brian runs the T&D franchise in Dowagiac. All promotion is done by HIS Master. Got it now ?

By the way, would you like a copy of Master Hong's harrassing phone calls?

We've got 'em all on tape.


One memorable detail... Master Hong repeated the details of his lawsuit, but the specifics kept changing.

On one call, he claimed to have won $50,000. Then it dropped to $45,000, then $40,000.

Inflation, I guess. Or is that Deflation?

I'll share a personal experience with you. When I was growing up, there was a girl in my neighborhood who was 'troubled'.

At the age of 14, she started telling lies. And they just got worse.

I wish she could have gotten professional help. Her lies would catch up to her from time to time, and she'd talk fast to try to get out of it.

But it was always the details that tripped her up. I recall getting my first tape recorder when I was a teenager.

When she found out the machine had been running while she was babbling away, she freaked out !

In retrospect she must have been racking her brain to remember what she'd been talking about.

People who lie constantly often have difficulty remembering the details.

As you say you never lie, we have more in common than our College. Neither do I.

Of course, I don't repeat false stories about people I don't know and have never met, so it's not like we're twins, exactly...

Innocent until PROVEN guilty

C-Buchanan -- Like normal Hong and his students are twisting what someone HAS SAID into something that was NOT SAID.

C-Buchanan You TWISTED what I said, You FORGOT to mention that my CONTRACT with Hong was OVER !

Again where is it written, about the YEARS after LEAVING one school to open your own ?

I am HONEST that is why I am where I am NOW and not where I was.

You said that you will not post your name, then you are the one that is a FRAUD

C-Buchanan -- You're quoted I did not post it becouse the INNOCENT do not have to PROVE who they are or what they have done. Only the ones that are accused of something have to show people who they really are.

Are you that uninformed on how this Country's Goverment is RUN?

Have you forgotten that this is the United States of America?

and the Courts of the United States say:

YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

We at T&D are the INNOCENT ONES.

Hong and his Students are accusing us (T&D).

So it is up to you to PROVE (T&D) are frauds.

And that you have not done.

Just SPITTING at the MOUTH.

I have been asking for that SO--Called PROOF all this time, PROOF is what you have not SHOWN.

C-Buchanan -- William has a Very Good Point You do not get to make demands of people while remaining faceless and anonymous.

I have Two legs and I stand on them pretty Well. Thank You

C-Buchanan -- You need to talk to those so--called Federal and Indiana attornies so you can understand the United States Laws.

Now for John M. Nowicki:

I thank you for telling me your name.



1. This Ridiculous argument was stated by Hong and this students.

2. Professionalism? No I do not think so,

a. This Goverment is a Democracy. Simply put the Accused is INNOCENT
until PROVEN Guilty.


3. Hong and his students are accusing us (T&D) of fraud so AGAIN it is UP to
YOU to PROVE that we are FRAUDS.

I will explain it to you again: 4th Dan is Master, 6th and Up is Grandmaster

I remember Hong was 6th when I started at Hong's 1994 His Banner that is in front of his Dojang at the Niles school the word Grand was velcroed on.

Hong told me himself that he used just Master for somethings and Grandmaster for other.

John being just a 1st GUP and ONLY having 3 1/2 years into Martial Arts --

WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE CALLING ANYONE GREEDY ?

John -- You and C-Buchanan KEEP SAYING that we (T&D) are not recognized by K.H.F. and Kukkiwon.

Again as Always WHERE is your PROOF?

SHOW IT !

That's Right... you CAN'T SHOW IT becouse you DO NOT have ANY.

So that means that you are LYING.

The UTU is a Private Organization and there is ABOUT 30 schools in it, in Korea and in the U.S.

Hong's teacher is part of that and that is how Hong is affilliated.

Like I said in my last post I will be a Master soon.

My Master's are Kukkiwon Certified and that is all that is NEEDED.



John you were the one that came to our (T&D) Mishawaka school and Master Bolen showed you his Certificate in Hapkido and you went back and told Hong that is was just a PARTICIPATION Certificate.

Now you are saying that it is a TRUE certificate ?

SO that means that you lied again.

As for U.S. Director Master Hal Whalen of K.H.F.

We (T&D) Do not go through this Master as far as I know of. Master Bolen has not mentioned that Master to me.

For my RANK all you need to know is that I am 3rd Dan in Taekwondo my age is 34.

C-Buchanan -- If you do not/will not give you Full Name and Rank,

You NEED to SHUT UP and STOP POSTING on the site.

You are the one that is HIDING, And you are the one that is SCARED to put your name on what you are posting.

Plain and Simple.

William stated that I (Brian) am 3rd Dan and Scott Bolen is 6th Dan

I want to clarify that Master Bolen does have all of his Certificates.

Yes -- I am mad people are talking about me that do not know me.

Most of all, people who accuse someone of something and they Do Not Post their So--Called Proof.

Three and a half years in Martial Arts, and someone thinks they are a expert, over a 3rd, 6th, or even a 9th Dan. People with a LOT more experience and time than said person.

William,

The essence of this report is the fact that people are making claims aboout Master Hong. None of these claims have been proven. You guys speak of how bad and dishonest Master Hong is, but you have provided no proof. We have provided proof that any claims Master Hong makes are true. I have provided hard evidence that T&D has lied about who their school is recognized by.

You are making assumptions when you state that all I know I was told by Master Hong. Believe me when I say, nobody tells me what to say or think. When I was informed there was a martial art school called Tiger and Dragon, I started researching them. After I discovered a number a false claims on their website I then found out they were former students of Master Hongs. I have been on a number of T&D's websites, and have hard copy of many of the claims they have made. I have contacted people they claimed to be affiliated with. I have seen their advertisements in the phone book, and on various dojang lists on the internet. I even read an interesting post about nutrition on the World Hapkido Association website where Bolen called himself a Doctor. He signed his post S.A. Bolen Ph.D N.D. the url is
http://www.worldhapkido.com/news-past3.html
Where did Scott recieve his Ph.D. from?

When Bolen offered anybody the opportunity to visit his school so he could prove his rank, I visited him face to face. I even offerd him a chance to tell his side of the story, and he declined. He did not tell me what rank he held, all he showed me was his Kukkiwon card which was for a first dan. He told me his Korea Hapkido Federation card was in the mail. When I contacted the KHF they told a different story. Believe me William, when I want to know the truth I find it.

The url for the Kukkiwon reference I made is article 8 under dan grading http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/eng/promotion/simsa_eng4.asp?div=5
Brian should have seen this when he found article 20, about gup promotions. Regarding your comments about Kukkiwon, you should not try to discredit them as a reference when Brian cited them in his post. If you are looking for a discussion about the beuracracy of KMA, e-mail me at mudojmn@hotmail.com, don't stray from the topic of this rip off, Master Hong, and his former students who are trying to tarnish his reputation.

I have asked repeatedly about all of the instructors rank at T&D. I also asked where is it from. You stated Brian is 3rd dan, and Scott is 6th dan. Anybody can say they are any rank. I could get online, order a belt, a certificate, and call myself wahtever rank I want. Rank means nothing if it is not from a credible Martial arts organization, that is why they exist. If they are that rank they would be overly proud to state where it has come from, to honor the instructor who awarded it. I have given Bolen the opportunity to prove to me where his rank is from, face to face, after he invited anybody to come and see it. He had nothing to prove it. If he is Brian's teacher, and cannot prove his rank how can Brian prove his rank?

I am giving Brian the opportunity to tell everybody where his rank is from. If it is real, he can prove it right now. If he cannot prove it, he has zero credibility as a martial arts instructor, and zero credibility as a critic of Master Hong.

William, you mentioned lawsuit insurance. It is very interesting that neither Brian, or Scott will personally list their rank, and where it is from. You had to do it for them. If they are matrial art instructors, and make a claim they have rank, they must provide proof this rank exists. If they cannot they are lying to the community, and their customers.

You also stated that Brian is 3rd dan, and going to Korea to test for a Masters certificate. I would like to know which martial art organization in Korea will issue a 3rd dan a masters certificate. The earliest I have ever heard of is 4th dan, with the standard being 5th dan, and some orgs have even raised it to 6th dan.

On the T&D website there is a picture that shows instructors Cummings, Henry, Welker, Bolen, and Nicolas all wearing blackbelts. Cummings, and Nicolas are even holding up certificates. Where are these from? Please inform everybody of all of their ranks, and where they are from. I hope that all of these individuals that call themselves instructors have the pride, and honor to personally state what rank they are, what organization it is from, and who awarded it.

Please answer the same question I have asked repeatedly. What rank are the T&D instructors, where is it from, and who awarded it? If they are too ashamed to answer this simple quetion they need to stop trying to damage Master Hongs reputation. If they don't want to post on this page they can e-mail me at mudojmn@hotmail.com

C -Buchanan, just a helpful hint.

You wrote:

"I did not post it because the innocent do not have to prove who they are or what they have done. ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE ACCUSED OF SOMETHING HAVE TO SHOW PEOPLE WHO THEY REALLY ARE."

Actually, that is incorrect. The Code of Laws used in America today goes back thousands of years.

And one of the most important principles is the Right to Face Your Accuser.

Another is the principle Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

Unlike the Napoleonic Code, which used to presume that a person charged with anything is Guilty until Proven Innocent.

So, you don't get to make demands of people while remaining faceless and anonymous.


As for yourself and John, I suspect that all you know, you were told by Master Hong.

You obviously have no direct knowledge of these issues. Were either of you his students from 1994 to 2000 ?

You have been told what to say, told what to think.

Have you ever discussed this with a Master outside Hong's Unions?

How else would you know you had your facts straight ?

John wrote:

"I hope that anybody that reads this ridiculous argument can appreciate the professionalism and maturity of my postings, and the lack of in yours."

Well, John, Brian points out he only posted here when he was being libeled.

If he's angry, and, yeah, he is, it's because people he's never even met are repeating stories about him that aren't true.

Stories scripted by your Master, designed to attack T&D while giving Master Hong lawsuit insurance.

After all, he gets YOU to take the risks.

(This site is currently being sued to reveal the poster's identities, I hear. Figure it out... I'll wait. )


Basically, you have blind faith in your Master. It would be admirable, if it wasn't so sad.

And you know, John, there IS a 'plethora of lies' here. It's just the source you have wrong.

Get some distance, get some perspective, read, ask questions of people who don't work for your Master.


The ten year rule you quote, can you find the URL to that?

Kukkiwon isn't the be-all and end-all, unfortunately. Different Schools have their own rules on advancement and testing.

Kukkiwon only pulls it all together when it comes to competitions, not white belt on up.

(Think of Kukkiwon as being like the Olympics. You don't get amateurs coming in at that level.)

So, if you've been told that there is a set of hard and fast rules every School in Korea obeys... not so much, really.

And if you think about it, that makes sense. Some people could train for ten years, and never be ready to teach. Others could train for six, and be ready.

And about that contract? The one that supposedly says that no student can open a school within five years of leaving Hong?

Maybe you've seen it. None of us have.

There was a VERBAL comment by Master Hong that none of his students could open a school without his permission.

(That wouldn't apply to ex-students, by the way, only CURRENT students.)

Perhaps Master Hong started using a different contract after 2000.

Oh, and 2005-2000 is, um, FIVE YEARS.

You asked about Brian's rank.

He's currently Third Degree Black Belt. His teacher, Scott Bolen, is a Sixth Degree Black Belt.

And in case you weren't paying attention, those aren't Kukkiwon belts since Brian hasn't been to Korea yet.

C -Buchanan, just a helpful hint.

You wrote:

"I did not post it because the innocent do not have to prove who they are or what they have done. ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE ACCUSED OF SOMETHING HAVE TO SHOW PEOPLE WHO THEY REALLY ARE."

Actually, that is incorrect. The Code of Laws used in America today goes back thousands of years.

And one of the most important principles is the Right to Face Your Accuser.

Another is the principle Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

Unlike the Napoleonic Code, which used to presume that a person charged with anything is Guilty until Proven Innocent.

So, you don't get to make demands of people while remaining faceless and anonymous.


As for yourself and John, I suspect that all you know, you were told by Master Hong.

You obviously have no direct knowledge of these issues. Were either of you his students from 1994 to 2000 ?

You have been told what to say, told what to think.

Have you ever discussed this with a Master outside Hong's Unions?

How else would you know you had your facts straight ?

John wrote:

"I hope that anybody that reads this ridiculous argument can appreciate the professionalism and maturity of my postings, and the lack of in yours."

Well, John, Brian points out he only posted here when he was being libeled.

If he's angry, and, yeah, he is, it's because people he's never even met are repeating stories about him that aren't true.

Stories scripted by your Master, designed to attack T&D while giving Master Hong lawsuit insurance.

After all, he gets YOU to take the risks.

(This site is currently being sued to reveal the poster's identities, I hear. Figure it out... I'll wait. )


Basically, you have blind faith in your Master. It would be admirable, if it wasn't so sad.

And you know, John, there IS a 'plethora of lies' here. It's just the source you have wrong.

Get some distance, get some perspective, read, ask questions of people who don't work for your Master.


The ten year rule you quote, can you find the URL to that?

Kukkiwon isn't the be-all and end-all, unfortunately. Different Schools have their own rules on advancement and testing.

Kukkiwon only pulls it all together when it comes to competitions, not white belt on up.

(Think of Kukkiwon as being like the Olympics. You don't get amateurs coming in at that level.)

So, if you've been told that there is a set of hard and fast rules every School in Korea obeys... not so much, really.

And if you think about it, that makes sense. Some people could train for ten years, and never be ready to teach. Others could train for six, and be ready.

And about that contract? The one that supposedly says that no student can open a school within five years of leaving Hong?

Maybe you've seen it. None of us have.

There was a VERBAL comment by Master Hong that none of his students could open a school without his permission.

(That wouldn't apply to ex-students, by the way, only CURRENT students.)

Perhaps Master Hong started using a different contract after 2000.

Oh, and 2005-2000 is, um, FIVE YEARS.

You asked about Brian's rank.

He's currently Third Degree Black Belt. His teacher, Scott Bolen, is a Sixth Degree Black Belt.

And in case you weren't paying attention, those aren't Kukkiwon belts since Brian hasn't been to Korea yet.

Brian,

I want to emhpasize that the only question I asked was what rank are you, and the other instructors, and where is it from? You obviously avoided that question. This is not about me it is about Master Hong, the head of our school. His rank information is made available to the public on his website.

I hope that anybody that reads this ridiculous argument can appreciate the professionalism and maturity of my postings, and the lack of in yours.

I will stand by my opinion of a certain Korean master as being greedy. He is only 6dan and calls himself a grandmaster. He also will give people a certificate of completing a training course to anyone that pays him the money. In my opinion the worst direspect is dishonoring the man who spent his time to train you from white belt on up.

Regarding the ten years of training, that is a cumulation of the minnimum requirements between dans from 1st to 5th. My reference would be to UTU taekwondo, ther website is written in Korean. They use a similar standard as the Kukkiwon, 1yr 1-2, 2yr 2-3, 3yr 3-4, 4yr 4-5. Remember these are minnimum requirements.

If you were a Kukkiwon practitcioner you could not be a Master instructor until 6dan, another 5 years. This info can be found on the Kukkiwon website, not WTF. WTF is an international sport governing body, they do no promote rank to anyone. Should I assume you are a Kukkiwon instructor if you are quoting their rules? Once again I am asking you the same question. What rank are you, and where is it from?

Please allow me to talk about Master Hong. All of his affiliations are listed on his website www.hongsusataekwondo.com. Everyone is truthful, and people are welcome to research them. The people posting about Master Hong have put their fraudulent claims in print. In the May 2005 issue of the SBC Yellow Pages. On page 386 they claim to be recognized by Korea Hapkido Federation, and Kukkiwon. They are not recognized by either of those associations. For info on KHF you can contact the U.S. Director Master Hal Whalen at whalen@mudoacademy.com. For info on Kukkiwon contact Mr. Kim, B.S. at Kukkiwon Headquarters,at 635 Yuksam-dong, kangnam-ku, Seoul, South Korea (Postal Code: 135-081), Phone # (from the USA) 011-822-563-3339 Fax # is 011-822-552-3025.

If you really want to know who I am, my name is John M. Nowicki. As for using the name the truth, that represents one of the core philosophies of KMA, integrity. I am 1st gup taekwondo, I am only an assistant instructor, and I have been only trainning for three and a half years. I am very humble about what I have learned. In context I am not even a beginner in the world of taekwondo. That is what 1st dan is, a beginner. I am still training to become a beginner. I am educated, and do have enough knowledge of Korean martial arts to identify, and research an instructor's authenticity.

The reason I have a problem with the T&D instructors is they have dishonored my instructor, and when I researched them I discovered a plethora of lies. I have done a great deal of research about Korean martial arts, and have had the opportunity to learn from great instructors. I never lie, and I am confident in any claims I make. If anybody has any questions for me e-mail me at mudojmn@hotmail.com, and I am not afraid to tell anybody what I think face to face. Please do not turn this into an issue of who I am, you now know that.

This argument is not about me, It is about Master Hong, and you guys. I have written everything I have to say about this rip off report in my previous posts. Please answer my question as to what rank you Bolen, and the other instructors are, and where is it from? If you cannot do that you are proving your lack of credibility as martial art instructors.

Brian Cummings, you just admitted that you left Hong's in the year 2000 and went some where else and you started teaching at your own school. That is admitting to breaking your contract with Hong's. You are not to teach at a martial arts school for 5 years after your leaving the school. You did that in less than 5 years. If you want to talk about honesty and integrity, than look at your self first.

As to the reason why I have not posted my full name and address for the public to see, it is not because that I am scared of you and Scott Bolen or anyone else. I will defend what I believe and what Grandmaster Hong has taught no matter what. I did not post it because the innocent do not have to prove who they are or what they have done. ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE ACCUSED OF SOMETHING HAVE TO SHOW PEOPLE WHO THEY REALLY ARE.

I believe what "Truth" has been saying. You and Scott and everyone else connected with the T&D school will just continue to try make Grandmaster Hong and his school look bad because you all know that you do not have a leg to stand on.

Brian Cummings, you just admitted that you left Hong's in the year 2000 and went some where else and you started teaching at your own school. That is admitting to breaking your contract with Hong's. You are not to teach at a martial arts school for 5 years after your leaving the school. You did that in less than 5 years. If you want to talk about honesty and integrity, than look at your self first.

As to the reason why I have not posted my full name and address for the public to see, it is not because that I am scared of you and Scott Bolen or anyone else. I will defend what I believe and what Grandmaster Hong has taught no matter what. I did not post it because the innocent do not have to prove who they are or what they have done. ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE ACCUSED OF SOMETHING HAVE TO SHOW PEOPLE WHO THEY REALLY ARE.

I believe what "Truth" has been saying. You and Scott and everyone else connected with the T&D school will just continue to try make Grandmaster Hong and his school look bad because you all know that you do not have a leg to stand on.

Brian Cummings, you just admitted that you left Hong's in the year 2000 and went some where else and you started teaching at your own school. That is admitting to breaking your contract with Hong's. You are not to teach at a martial arts school for 5 years after your leaving the school. You did that in less than 5 years. If you want to talk about honesty and integrity, than look at your self first.

As to the reason why I have not posted my full name and address for the public to see, it is not because that I am scared of you and Scott Bolen or anyone else. I will defend what I believe and what Grandmaster Hong has taught no matter what. I did not post it because the innocent do not have to prove who they are or what they have done. ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE ACCUSED OF SOMETHING HAVE TO SHOW PEOPLE WHO THEY REALLY ARE.

I believe what "Truth" has been saying. You and Scott and everyone else connected with the T&D school will just continue to try make Grandmaster Hong and his school look bad because you all know that you do not have a leg to stand on.

Truth, South Bend, Indiana, C-Buchanan you two are both being quoted saying we at Tiger and Dragon are using false names.

Truth are you too SCARED to use your REAL NAME on the site?

We all know that C-Buchanan is REALLY SCARED to use his/her REAL NAME

The two of you (C-Buchanan and Truth) need to come out of the closet -- tell everyone your REAL NAMES and RANKS and the TIME that you have in Martial Arts.

STOP ACCUSING US of using false names when the two of you are using false names.

What --- you think the people reading this site are mind readers and can see through your FAKE NAMES...

The two of you are quoted saying that we (Tiger and Dragon) are the ones that are HIDING..

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

My NAME is out on this site my ADDRESS is OUT on this site.

HOW am I HIDING ?

The TWO of YOU (Truth, C-Buchanan) are the ONES HIDING through FALSE NAMES.

Truth, You are being quoted saying They lost the ability to be affiliated with Master Hong by violating the tennets of Taekwondo.

My contract with Hong's USA Taekwondo was over in 2000.

Just like any contract you have the right to resign or go elsewere. I chose to go elsewere.


And I will quote Myself:

I left Hong's because of all the lying that I was hearing out of his mouth and the way he was treating his students.

You, Truth and C-Buchanan KEEP SAYING that you have PROOF that we (Tiger and Dragon) are Frauds?

WHERE IS YOUR PROOF ??? WHERE, WHERE, WHERE ?

IF YOU HAVE IT (PROOF) SHOW IT. SHOW IT !

Where is the PROOF that we are diluting Martial Arts ? WHERE?

SHOW IT !

You have NONE and that is why you are not POSTING IT.

For example -- can you find any former students of Tiger and Dragon that are posting a RipoffReport against them ?


The simple fact is we were Hong's students. We got tired of his lying and treatment and left, started our own schools and now Hong is MAD AT US.

Hong and his current students went to Korea last week (last week in June) with his So Called' Documention that we were Frauds.

They came back with NO PROOF.

If they HAD PROOF they would have GLOATED about it all over this site.

Instead they are calling a South Korean GRANDMASTER... GREEDY. Another Martial Artist that has studied all his life, and they are calling him --- greedy.

This is the worst Disrespect I can imagine.

These two are writing about honor and honesty.

They are both been quoted calling South Korean GRANDMASTERS... CROOKED and GREEDY.

You, Truth and C-Buchanan have NO HONOR.

Calling people that you DO NOT KNOW personally CROOKED and GREEDY is dishonorable.

Neither one of you have the RANKING or the TIME in Martial Arts to judge a GrandMaster.

I have not called Hong crooked or greedy -- read my Posts I said that he was lying.

I have never said that Hong's OWN certificate is fake, I said that ones that HE GIVES OUT are never registered outside his own Unions.

Despite having paid the $450 charge to be registered !

If you want to go by Kukkiwon Rules:

Article 20: Gup Promotion Test

The INSTRUCTOR that holds 4th Dan or higher Dan has a right to test the Gup promotion and ISSUE the Gup Certificates by his/her name for his/her students.

Truth and C-Buchanan you two do not have any PROOF that Master Bolen is the one trying to ruin Hong's reputation with the past posts that are on the site -- again you have NO PROOF.

Hong has made a lot of people mad at him for the way that he has done business.

And that is the TRUTH...TRUTH.

I left Hong and did not want to ever Hear, See or Do Business with that man ever again.

Then he started to harrass me by calling my cell phone, and I have those calls taped.

Truth, I do not want to be in front of that man (Hong) again I have seen FIRST HAND how Hong will turn what someone says around for his benefit.

This problem would not get solved.

I (Brian Cummings) have 11 years in the Martial Arts. Eight (8) years as an Instructor.

I have been complimented numerous times on my ability as an Instructor, even by a Pastor of a church. He and his family were going to Hong's.

What experience do you have?

I bet not that long !


Truth... I hope that you are not trying to threaten anyone.


NO, TRUTH, it is not US that are RE-CREATING things to ARGUE ABOUT.

They are C-Buchanan and the rest of Hong's Student that are LYING about US (Tiger and Dragon) and that NEEDS TO STOP.

I am posting here clearing things UP..

AGAIN IF YOU HAVE THE PROOF THEN POST IT SO EVERYONE CAN SEE IT.

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE PROOF (AND THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING US)

THEN ALL OF YOU (HONG'S FRIENDS AND STUDENTS)

Need to SHUT YOUR MOUTHS and go ON WITH YOURSELVES..

I did not post on this site till my NAME was brought up and was being LIED about.


As needing ten years of experience, did you read that on the back of a box of Cracker Jacks?


When you quote rules, please post your references to the WTF official website.


Scott Bolen has the needed experience and training, and he does all promotion testing.


I am not a Master Instructor YET, but I will be going to Korea soon to test for my Master's Certificates.

As for being good enough to act as Instructor, I was good enough to teach for Master Hong for two years !

William,

You mentioned six years of training. That is four years short of the minnimum time training to become recognized as someone who should open their own school. At the pace Cummings was promoting it would've been another 7-12 years before he would have been eligible to be a Master instructor. But now he has his own school, that does not make sense to me.

As far as Master Hong trusting him, that is what Master Hong did, and Cummings proved that he shouldn't have been trusted by abondoning his instructor. Whatever reasons he had, he left on his own will. As far as learning other styles I would like to know which styles, and who his instructors were. What rank is he, and where is it from?

Concerning Master Hong harassing his former students, this whole ordeal began when Bolen started doing everything he could to ruin Master Hong's reputation. This mission has continued to this date. Master Hong's sutdents are only trying to defend him by pointing out the lies that are being spread, and the truth about the people spreading them.

Don't worry, I never give advice I don't follow. Now that I know where to find Brian I will come introduce myself to him, and share with him my opinion. The reason I gave that advice was not for me to follow, it was for you William, and you Brian, and especially you Scott. If you have anything to say about Master Hong, go tell it to his face. If you cannot stand in front of another person, and say what you have to say, then you should say nothing at all. I will tell you guys what I have to say very soon.

I am a busy person, and can not waste any more of my time posting on this website. I have said all that I can say with a keyboard. It is obvious you guys will try to recreate things to argue about, and bend other people's words to attempt to make it look like you aren't doing anything wrong. So please answer my question about Cumming's rank, and if you could, please list the ranking of all of the T&D instructors, and who this rank came from. If you have any more questions for me, you will have the opportunity to ask me in person.

Brian Cummings trained with Master Hong for six years.

Six years.

He started in 1994. He achieved First Dan, First Tip February 7th, 1998.

And Master Hong rewarded his hard work with an Instructor's Belt.

I've seen it. He was very proud.

After that, Brian began acting as Instructor part-time.

Master Hong paid him in cash for his work as an Instructor/Manager.

Now, if Brian was a 'phony', then why would Master Hong trust him, pay him, and allow him to teach his students?

There were incidents, later, that caused Brian to become uncomfortable working for Master Hong.

We can get into that later if you wish.

Brian left Hong's Dojo then and began learning other styles.


And soon after that, Master Hong began his harassment of his former students.


Now, 'ruth, you gave some excellent advice.


"If you are a true martial artist, and have a problem with another martial artist, the way to handle that problem is not to hide behind a computer. You go and tell this person to their face."

Great advice !!

The Dowagiac school is at 105 Sheldon St, Dowagiac Michigan.

If you want to talk to Brian face to face, he's there between 5 pm and 9 pm Tuesday through Friday.

You've been given one side of the story. Maybe you should hear the other side.

And can you do me a favor?

Who is Phillip Hong?


Phillip Hong ---- age 51
1118 Ontario Rd.
Niles, MI 49120

Dear William of Cassopolis,

You have a very narrow view of what traditional martial arts are. Traditional martial arts means training for a long period of time. Being honest, and honoring your instructor. Dedicating your life to what you study and teach. This cannot be done in the short period of time Bolen, or Cummings have spent training.

You believe that because Bolen, and Cummings trained under Master Hong for a short period of time they can turn around and teach traditional martial arts. In order to teach traditional Korean Martial arts, one would have to follow a long road of integrity, and loyalty, and train under the leaqdership of a Master instructor. In order to open their own school they would have to be Master instructors. This means reaching a specific level of black belt, and attending, and passing a Master instructors training seminar (Scott, this does not mean finding a greedy instructor that calls himself a Grandmaster at 6th dan and purchasing a certificate from him, without him knowing where your rank is from). This means training at least ten years under an instructor, and earning your rank.

Neither Scott or Brian have spent that much time training. They decided after a couple of years they didn't need to follow the path of traditional martial arts. Instead they became greedy, and they abandoned traditional martial arts. They thought that because Master Hong promoted them to the beginning levels of black belt they were self proclaimed experts. Expert enough to stab Master Hong in the back, open their own schools, and create lies in attempts to ruin his reputation. Now these men have the audacity to compare themselves to a man who has trained for forty years, always honored his instructor, acquired all of the necesarry cerifications (the right and honest way), and attended all of the necessary seminars to become a true traditional instructor.

William, can you say that either Scott or Brian have put in enough time to be called Master Instructors? What rank are they, and where is it from? If they are not fifth dan, and have not attended and passed an authentic Masters certification program they have no business opening martial arts schools and calling themselves traditional Korean martial art instructors. Perhaps at one time they were good people that decided to take a wrong turn. I believe they were phonies all along disguising themselves as good students. That is why there is such a long process to become a Master instructor, so the dishonest and the greedy get weeded out. Bolen and Cummings got weeded out, and are doing everything they can to get around the system. It is a shame, because the only people they are hurting are the innocent members of our community.

In my first post I did not mention anything about a school closing in Dowagiac, I mentioned the two schools in Mishawaka. I was not aware of this since I live in South Bend. This is good news for the people of Dowagiac.

I would truly hope that a person of Master Hong's level would not waste one second of his time on this petty argument on the internet, this duty is taken on by lower level instructors. Master Hong has tried to ask the T&D instructors in person, but the lights at the school cooincidentally shut off, and the people dissapeared when he stopped by.

The only way to find out the truth about any martial art school is to visit it, and ask the instructor. Tell them you want to know where they earned their rank from, and contact info to verify the rank. Always ask about their martial art history. If they tell you they are members of an organization, get contact info. Master Hong is available six days a week if anybody wants to check his schools out. If you want to ask the Tiger and Dragon team anything you have to figure out what rock they are hiding under and show up on the right day. As far as I know they currently do not have a school anywhere. I will say again I hope, for the people of the community, they don't open another one.

A message to Scott, Brian, and the other instructors at T&D,
If you are a true martial artist, and have a problem with another martial artist, the way to handle that problem is not to hide behind a computer. You go and tell this person to their face. If you can't do that you should just keep your mouths shut. If you want me to come discuss my problem with you, tell me where to find you at.

Okay, let's parse this out.

"Truth" said:

"The damage they are doing in Dowagiac, telling peopele they teach traditional martial arts, I hope it stops soon"

Now, "Truth" also says:

"The truth is that these men studied under Master Hong. The martial arts they know and teach they learned from Master Hong."

If Master Soon Pil Hong teaches Traditional Martial Arts, and he trained Scott Bolen and Brian Cummings, then...

Wouldn't that mean that Scott Bolen and Brian Cummings ALSO teach Traditional Martial Arts?

"Truth" wrote:

"He knows the truth about the T&D school, and believes it is his duty to stop them from misrepresenting Korean martial arts in America."

But.... um... Master Hong TRAINED them. How are they misrepresenting Korean Martial Arts?

It's the responsibility of a good teacher to promote his students only when they have earned their rank.

A good teacher gets to know his students. A good teacher wouldn't promote or keep an unworthy student.

If you believe Master Hong is a GOOD teacher, then Scott Bolen and Brian Cummings MUST have earned their rank to have been promoted to black belt.

If you believe that Master Hong is a BAD teacher, then that would explain why his students leave and go elsewhere, wouldn't it ?

As for the Dowagiac school closing, the building owners sold it.

When you don't own the building, you have little choice but to move elsewhere when it's sold.

"Truth" said:

"Most of the time they use false names, or get their friends to do the post."

I don't see Master Hong posting here in person. Apparently though, he dictates his comments to his supporters.

To the Michiana community about Bolen, Cummings, Henry, Nicolas, Welker and any other T&D instructors.

These are the instructors at Tiger and Dragon school, and some of them are the people behind the rip off reports about Master Hong. Most of the time they use false names, or get their friends to do the post. They are only trying to hurt Master Hong's reputation because their reputations are so questionable.

The truth is that these men studied under Master Hong. The martial arts they know and teach they learned from Master Hong. They lost the ability to be affiliated with Master Hong by violating the tennets of taekwondo. They have found some greedy Korean masters that will sell their affiliation to people they hardly know. Now T&D claims to be teaching martial arts under the direction of people they hardly know, and have barely trained with. If you consider yourself somebodies student, and you have only trained with them for a couple of weeks over multiple years, you don't understand martial arts. You are also lying to yourselves, and your students.

Master Hong is not picking on T&D to help his business, he is trying to inform and protect the community from fraud. This team from T&D is dilluting martial arts in the Michiana community. Master Hong does not bother other schools, because he is not aware of any fraudulent claims they are making. If he finds out another school is lying, he will confront them, and try to stop the fraud. He knows the truth about the T&D school, and believes it is his duty to stop them from misrepresenting Korean martial arts in America. The sad truth is that the T&D team has already caused unreconcilable damamge to the reputation of martial artists in Michiana. Two schools opened and closed in such a short period of time in Mishawaka, I hope they don't open another one. The damage they are doing in Dowagiac, telling peopele they teach traditional martial arts, I hope it stops soon. The damage they are causing by creating lies about Master Hong must also stop.

Master Hong is a true martial artist. He is affiliated with his instructor of nearly forty years. Loyalty and honor are what make an affiliation to an instructor, not money and lies. The T&D gang must have ignored that teaching before they sold out.

Final note: I truly wish I could attend a tournament the T&D gang was competing at. Then I could show them first-hand the difference between a true martial artist, and a for profit rip off martial artist. The instructors at Hong's welcome a challenge from the T&D instructors. It is not hard to find them, they are usually at one of Master Hong's dojangs.

i am a resident of michianai know of master hongs
reputation both good and bad

i am a local martial artist from an okinawan style and have no affiliation with either school and could care less about hongs or tiger and dragon but i do know this whole thing is getting
way out of hand

i only knowof this situation because i was inconveianced when i went to borders book store in mishiwaka ind. and found out that i had to ask for the martial arts mags because people were putting flyers in the mags

well the next week i went to another bookstore
and realized what they were talking aboutwhen
i found one of the flyers i was alittle upset

i was talking to someone in my dojo about it and they said that it is all over the ripoffreport

site now after reading this is the most childish game i have seen in a long time a friend of mine used to be a student of hongs and knows of

both scott bolen and brian cummings and he said bolen was a 3rd black and cummings was a first

when he left he said they were both good
instructors i dont know how the koreans do things but once you earn a rank its yours

you worked for it you have the knowledge

how can you strip someone of it it sounds like

petty jealousy and greed

so on behalf of the other styles taught in the

area GROW UP and let the students decide fir themselves most are more intuitive than you are giving them credit for if someone is a fraud

the in time will reviele themselves


but by waging this war you are making all of us

look bad so please stop this childish game and remmember what the martialarts are really about


SELF IMPROVEMENT notbashing others thank you

Curiouser and Curiouser !

You need a password to post on this site. So how would someone post as someone else?

At any rate, the facts are as follows:

Brian Cummings and Scott Bolen are not cheating anybody.

They have trained for years, they have their businesses registered DBA, they have Federal Tax ID numbers, all the above-board stuff.

They are in constant communication with their Master in Korea and teach their students to show proper respect.

C -Buchanan admits he's been typing messages from Master Hong.

It was easy to figure out. Writing "Stong" instead of "Strong", for example.

Small mistakes only someone who speaks Korean as his native language would make.

This is a simple smear campaign.

What Master Hong has dictated for you to write is simply untrue.

For example, nobody's Black belts were ever pulled. A simple lie.

(Perhaps you should let him type his own messages from now on.)

Master Hong has written a long tirade of strange and bizarre claims, I've read it.

I especially like his constant claims that a link on the Tiger&Dragon website leads to a Porn website.

( I think he's just confused about the Internet ).

There are counter charges that could be made.

For example, any Black Belt Certificate from Hong's USA was supposed to be registered in Korea, at a charge of $450.00

Unfortunately there's no reason to believe this was ever done.

As C-Buchanan mentions himself when he said there would be no such record in Korea. Because the certificate was never registered at all !

There are several stories of people who signed up with Hong and cancelled within the 72 hour limit, but were charged anyway.

Then a local Pizza shop owner I know had a run-in with Master Hong and came away angry and bitter. He went to Hong's USA to pay his wife's bill and got shouted at.

Personally, I NEVER shout at people who come in to pay their bills, but that's just ME.

I'm sure you will eventually get an itemized list of these mis-statements.

I've seen the binder with the case being built. It's getting pretty thick by now.

But that's not really my concern.

I just need everyone who reads this to understand.

Master Hong seems ... obsessed. He seems determined to drive his competition out of business.

This is obviously a personal vendetta.

I actually feel sorry for him.

My attitude is "Live and Let Live".

I'd be happy to just let Master Hong go his own way.

I only wish he felt the same way about others.

HOW DARE YOU write an apology letter to Mr. Cummings and put my name on it!! IN NO WAY WOULD I EVER APOLOGIZED FOR WHAT I SAID TO BRIAN CUMMINGS, SCOTT BOLEN, OR LAURA BOLEN. My teacher is not playing childish games. He may have given me a very small portion of the responses that I have typed, but the majority of the words have come from my own mouth and I AM NOT A PUPPET!

I THINK FOR MYSELF AND I RESPOND AS TO HOW IFEEL ABOUT SOMETHING AND WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE DOING WRONG IS SOMETHING THAT I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT.

Anyone that is connected with the Tiger & Dragon Martial Arts schools in either Dowagiac, Michigan or Mishawaka, Indiana is destroying what martial arts is all about - INTEGRITY and HONESTY. ( I find it curious that this letter was sent by someone named "Michael" misspelled his own name. This further proves that this letter was not written by me.)

To mr.Cummings,

I would like to officially and sincerely apologize for including you,mr.Bolen,Laura,and Tiger and Dragon in my teacher's childish game.

i didn't realize your connections to Korea went that high

I've have seen the light today and understand now that i was REALLY wrong.
I was wrong to call you liars and frauds I know now that you are a VERY legitimate organization with strong ties to traditional Korean martial arts. i was only writing what he told me too.
i hope this didn't bring to much trouble for you.
i promise not to continue harrassing you anymore either.

C Buchanan

Brian Cummings, Tiger & Dragon Martial Arts LLC at Michigan Athletic Aerobic Club, 105 Sheldon Street, Dowagiac, MIchigan 49047, Phone #269-782-8901, you are just like Scott Bolen, but worse. How can you teach Taekwondo, Hapkido, or Gumdo when you are not qaulified to teach?

You need a master instructor's license in order in run a school. You said that you only had a 1st degree black belt/2nd tip when you left your former school. How can you get promoted to any other black belt when your rank, along with Scott Bolen's was stripped when this whole thing began back in the fall of 2001? You and Scott Bolen started to run a martial arts school, there by breaking the membership agreement that you both had with the school.

You are not to open and operate a martial arts school with a 5-year time period following leaving said school without the owner's written consent. Brian Cummings, your rank and Scott Bolen's rank is no longer recognized in Jidokwan Korea or Kukkiwon Headquarters in South Korea (Kukkiwon address: 635 Yuksam-dong, Kangnam-ku, Seoul, South Korea, Postal Code 13-081, Phone{calling from the USA} #011-822-563-3339, Fax# is 011-822-552-3025). you can contact them and they will tell you that they no longer recognize you both, so who do you continue to put in your ads that you are affiliated with Kukkiwon and the World Taekwondo Federation?

Brian Cummings, even if you are not hanging your former schools certificates on your wall, they are meaningless to you. all they are is pieces of paper. You are showing them to your potential customers, and in a sense that you are trying to use that school's good name and reputation to promote your own. Youare quoted saying that you never said that you received a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt from you former teacher.

WHERE DID YOU GETT THEM THEN? FROM SCOTT BOELN? IF YOUR 1ST DEGREE BLACK BELT IS NOT RECOGNIZED, HOW CAN YOU PROMOTE TO 2ND, 3RD, OR EVEN 4TH DEGREE BLACK BELT? DID YOU MAKE IT UP YOURSELF? WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR LICENSE TO TEACH? WHY DON'T YOU AND SCOTT POST THEM SO EVERYONE CAN JUDGE FOR HIMSLEF OR HERSELF IF YOU ARE LEGITIMATE OR NOT?

You do not have the right to say if your former teacher has fake certification or not. He is well known in the country of South Korea and in the United States. He did not buy his rank and his achievement awards. He earned them. Did you buy yours?

As to whether rankings from your former school are recognized outside of that school, all ranks, color and black belt levels are registered with Kukkiwon in South Korea, there by they are recognized worldwide. as to you stating that we said that we are going to close down any school in the Michiana area that are not authentic.

We are going to do just that. "Why are we the only martial arts school that you are attacking?", you said. You, Scott Bolen, and the Tiger & Dragon Martial Arts Schools are just the first, because the truth about you came to us first.

THIS IS YOU LAST WARNING, BRIAN CUMMINGS. WE HAVE CONTACTED A FEDERAL ATTORNEY, MRS. N, AND AN INDIANA STATE ATTORNEY, MRS. S, AND THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE YOU TO COURT SOON. YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE JUST AS MUCH AS SCOTT AND LAURA BOLEN DID.

Your former instructor is going to meet with the Secretary General of Kukkiwon and other concerned Grand Masters and Masters in South Korea next week about people like you in the United States and in South Korea who are pretending to be who they are not and to be affiliated with oragnizations when they are not.

He is taking full documentation to prove his case against you and Scott Bolen. You do not have very long before you are going to regret your affiliation with Scott Bolen.

In the past, did you or Scott Bolen appply for a state/federal Tax ID number? You must have this in order to sell any supplies or items of any kind.

You are quoted saying that your former instructor needs professional mental help. YOU ARE WAY OFF BASE ON THAT ONE!! He is well known by the locak community college's president, physical education dean and secretary. Just ask them what kind of man your former instructor is.

He has worked with them for over 16 years and would not have continued to work with them this long if he was an unstable person. He is a sharp, accurate, and stong person.

If he were as you are saying he is, then the states and Indiana and Michigan would not use him as a Korean translator when they needed one. they would not trust him if he was unstable, which he is not.

He has helped so many states, countries like Pakistan, Iran, Uguanda and even South Korea. Grand Masters and Masters from all these different places are coming to him for connections to authentic Taekwondo organizations.

They are really appreciative towards the UniversalAmerican national Taekwondo-Habgido-gumdo Union and the Universal Taekwondo-Habgido-Gumdo Union Headquarters in South Korea.

As to you stating that your former instructor's creating his own styles of martial arts is again totally off base.

Habigdo{TM} and Gumdo are the correct Korean spellings, which are currently starting to be used in South Korea and abroad. "Hapkido and Kumdo" are misspelled terms that have been around a long time because originally the Korean Martial Arts community thought that the English-speaking world would not be able to pronounce them correctly, so they made it easier for them. Now, they are changing it back.

So Brian Cummings, who is the honest one now? We are not out to destroy your and Scott Bolen's schools. We are only out to put a stop to your lies about your credentials, and anyone else who may be lying about their rank and recognition. YOU ARE GOING TO FIND OUT REAL SOON WHAT LYING ABOUT YOURSELF WILL GET YOU.

Brian Cummings, Tiger & Dragon Martial Arts LLC at Michigan Athletic Aerobic Club, 105 Sheldon Street, Dowagiac, MIchigan 49047, Phone #269-782-8901, you are just like Scott Bolen, but worse. How can you teach Taekwondo, Hapkido, or Gumdo when you are not qaulified to teach?

You need a master instructor's license in order in run a school. You said that you only had a 1st degree black belt/2nd tip when you left your former school. How can you get promoted to any other black belt when your rank, along with Scott Bolen's was stripped when this whole thing began back in the fall of 2001? You and Scott Bolen started to run a martial arts school, there by breaking the membership agreement that you both had with the school.

You are not to open and operate a martial arts school with a 5-year time period following leaving said school without the owner's written consent. Brian Cummings, your rank and Scott Bolen's rank is no longer recognized in Jidokwan Korea or Kukkiwon Headquarters in South Korea (Kukkiwon address: 635 Yuksam-dong, Kangnam-ku, Seoul, South Korea, Postal Code 13-081, Phone{calling from the USA} #011-822-563-3339, Fax# is 011-822-552-3025). you can contact them and they will tell you that they no longer recognize you both, so who do you continue to put in your ads that you are affiliated with Kukkiwon and the World Taekwondo Federation?

Brian Cummings, even if you are not hanging your former schools certificates on your wall, they are meaningless to you. all they are is pieces of paper. You are showing them to your potential customers, and in a sense that you are trying to use that school's good name and reputation to promote your own. Youare quoted saying that you never said that you received a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt from you former teacher.

WHERE DID YOU GETT THEM THEN? FROM SCOTT BOELN? IF YOUR 1ST DEGREE BLACK BELT IS NOT RECOGNIZED, HOW CAN YOU PROMOTE TO 2ND, 3RD, OR EVEN 4TH DEGREE BLACK BELT? DID YOU MAKE IT UP YOURSELF? WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR LICENSE TO TEACH? WHY DON'T YOU AND SCOTT POST THEM SO EVERYONE CAN JUDGE FOR HIMSLEF OR HERSELF IF YOU ARE LEGITIMATE OR NOT?

You do not have the right to say if your former teacher has fake certification or not. He is well known in the country of South Korea and in the United States. He did not buy his rank and his achievement awards. He earned them. Did you buy yours?

As to whether rankings from your former school are recognized outside of that school, all ranks, color and black belt levels are registered with Kukkiwon in South Korea, there by they are recognized worldwide. as to you stating that we said that we are going to close down any school in the Michiana area that are not authentic.

We are going to do just that. "Why are we the only martial arts school that you are attacking?", you said. You, Scott Bolen, and the Tiger & Dragon Martial Arts Schools are just the first, because the truth about you came to us first.

THIS IS YOU LAST WARNING, BRIAN CUMMINGS. WE HAVE CONTACTED A FEDERAL ATTORNEY, MRS. N, AND AN INDIANA STATE ATTORNEY, MRS. S, AND THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE YOU TO COURT SOON. YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE JUST AS MUCH AS SCOTT AND LAURA BOLEN DID.

Your former instructor is going to meet with the Secretary General of Kukkiwon and other concerned Grand Masters and Masters in South Korea next week about people like you in the United States and in South Korea who are pretending to be who they are not and to be affiliated with oragnizations when they are not.

He is taking full documentation to prove his case against you and Scott Bolen. You do not have very long before you are going to regret your affiliation with Scott Bolen.

In the past, did you or Scott Bolen appply for a state/federal Tax ID number? You must have this in order to sell any supplies or items of any kind.

You are quoted saying that your former instructor needs professional mental help. YOU ARE WAY OFF BASE ON THAT ONE!! He is well known by the locak community college's president, physical education dean and secretary. Just ask them what kind of man your former instructor is.

He has worked with them for over 16 years and would not have continued to work with them this long if he was an unstable person. He is a sharp, accurate, and stong person.

If he were as you are saying he is, then the states and Indiana and Michigan would not use him as a Korean translator when they needed one. they would not trust him if he was unstable, which he is not.

He has helped so many states, countries like Pakistan, Iran, Uguanda and even South Korea. Grand Masters and Masters from all these different places are coming to him for connections to authentic Taekwondo organizations.

They are really appreciative towards the UniversalAmerican national Taekwondo-Habgido-gumdo Union and the Universal Taekwondo-Habgido-Gumdo Union Headquarters in South Korea.

As to you stating that your former instructor's creating his own styles of martial arts is again totally off base.

Habigdo{TM} and Gumdo are the correct Korean spellings, which are currently starting to be used in South Korea and abroad. "Hapkido and Kumdo" are misspelled terms that have been around a long time because originally the Korean Martial Arts community thought that the English-speaking world would not be able to pronounce them correctly, so they made it easier for them. Now, they are changing it back.

So Brian Cummings, who is the honest one now? We are not out to destroy your and Scott Bolen's schools. We are only out to put a stop to your lies about your credentials, and anyone else who may be lying about their rank and recognition. YOU ARE GOING TO FIND OUT REAL SOON WHAT LYING ABOUT YOURSELF WILL GET YOU.

Brian Cummings, Tiger & Dragon Martial Arts LLC at Michigan Athletic Aerobic Club, 105 Sheldon Street, Dowagiac, MIchigan 49047, Phone #269-782-8901, you are just like Scott Bolen, but worse. How can you teach Taekwondo, Hapkido, or Gumdo when you are not qaulified to teach?

You need a master instructor's license in order in run a school. You said that you only had a 1st degree black belt/2nd tip when you left your former school. How can you get promoted to any other black belt when your rank, along with Scott Bolen's was stripped when this whole thing began back in the fall of 2001? You and Scott Bolen started to run a martial arts school, there by breaking the membership agreement that you both had with the school.

You are not to open and operate a martial arts school with a 5-year time period following leaving said school without the owner's written consent. Brian Cummings, your rank and Scott Bolen's rank is no longer recognized in Jidokwan Korea or Kukkiwon Headquarters in South Korea (Kukkiwon address: 635 Yuksam-dong, Kangnam-ku, Seoul, South Korea, Postal Code 13-081, Phone{calling from the USA} #011-822-563-3339, Fax# is 011-822-552-3025). you can contact them and they will tell you that they no longer recognize you both, so who do you continue to put in your ads that you are affiliated with Kukkiwon and the World Taekwondo Federation?

Brian Cummings, even if you are not hanging your former schools certificates on your wall, they are meaningless to you. all they are is pieces of paper. You are showing them to your potential customers, and in a sense that you are trying to use that school's good name and reputation to promote your own. Youare quoted saying that you never said that you received a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt from you former teacher.

WHERE DID YOU GETT THEM THEN? FROM SCOTT BOELN? IF YOUR 1ST DEGREE BLACK BELT IS NOT RECOGNIZED, HOW CAN YOU PROMOTE TO 2ND, 3RD, OR EVEN 4TH DEGREE BLACK BELT? DID YOU MAKE IT UP YOURSELF? WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR LICENSE TO TEACH? WHY DON'T YOU AND SCOTT POST THEM SO EVERYONE CAN JUDGE FOR HIMSLEF OR HERSELF IF YOU ARE LEGITIMATE OR NOT?

You do not have the right to say if your former teacher has fake certification or not. He is well known in the country of South Korea and in the United States. He did not buy his rank and his achievement awards. He earned them. Did you buy yours?

As to whether rankings from your former school are recognized outside of that school, all ranks, color and black belt levels are registered with Kukkiwon in South Korea, there by they are recognized worldwide. as to you stating that we said that we are going to close down any school in the Michiana area that are not authentic.

We are going to do just that. "Why are we the only martial arts school that you are attacking?", you said. You, Scott Bolen, and the Tiger & Dragon Martial Arts Schools are just the first, because the truth about you came to us first.

THIS IS YOU LAST WARNING, BRIAN CUMMINGS. WE HAVE CONTACTED A FEDERAL ATTORNEY, MRS. N, AND AN INDIANA STATE ATTORNEY, MRS. S, AND THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE YOU TO COURT SOON. YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE JUST AS MUCH AS SCOTT AND LAURA BOLEN DID.

Your former instructor is going to meet with the Secretary General of Kukkiwon and other concerned Grand Masters and Masters in South Korea next week about people like you in the United States and in South Korea who are pretending to be who they are not and to be affiliated with oragnizations when they are not.

He is taking full documentation to prove his case against you and Scott Bolen. You do not have very long before you are going to regret your affiliation with Scott Bolen.

In the past, did you or Scott Bolen appply for a state/federal Tax ID number? You must have this in order to sell any supplies or items of any kind.

You are quoted saying that your former instructor needs professional mental help. YOU ARE WAY OFF BASE ON THAT ONE!! He is well known by the locak community college's president, physical education dean and secretary. Just ask them what kind of man your former instructor is.

He has worked with them for over 16 years and would not have continued to work with them this long if he was an unstable person. He is a sharp, accurate, and stong person.

If he were as you are saying he is, then the states and Indiana and Michigan would not use him as a Korean translator when they needed one. they would not trust him if he was unstable, which he is not.

He has helped so many states, countries like Pakistan, Iran, Uguanda and even South Korea. Grand Masters and Masters from all these different places are coming to him for connections to authentic Taekwondo organizations.

They are really appreciative towards the UniversalAmerican national Taekwondo-Habgido-gumdo Union and the Universal Taekwondo-Habgido-Gumdo Union Headquarters in South Korea.

As to you stating that your former instructor's creating his own styles of martial arts is again totally off base.

Habigdo{TM} and Gumdo are the correct Korean spellings, which are currently starting to be used in South Korea and abroad. "Hapkido and Kumdo" are misspelled terms that have been around a long time because originally the Korean Martial Arts community thought that the English-speaking world would not be able to pronounce them correctly, so they made it easier for them. Now, they are changing it back.

So Brian Cummings, who is the honest one now? We are not out to destroy your and Scott Bolen's schools. We are only out to put a stop to your lies about your credentials, and anyone else who may be lying about their rank and recognition. YOU ARE GOING TO FIND OUT REAL SOON WHAT LYING ABOUT YOURSELF WILL GET YOU.

Brian Cummings, Tiger & Dragon Martial Arts LLC at Michigan Athletic Aerobic Club, 105 Sheldon Street, Dowagiac, MIchigan 49047, Phone #269-782-8901, you are just like Scott Bolen, but worse. How can you teach Taekwondo, Hapkido, or Gumdo when you are not qaulified to teach?

You need a master instructor's license in order in run a school. You said that you only had a 1st degree black belt/2nd tip when you left your former school. How can you get promoted to any other black belt when your rank, along with Scott Bolen's was stripped when this whole thing began back in the fall of 2001? You and Scott Bolen started to run a martial arts school, there by breaking the membership agreement that you both had with the school.

You are not to open and operate a martial arts school with a 5-year time period following leaving said school without the owner's written consent. Brian Cummings, your rank and Scott Bolen's rank is no longer recognized in Jidokwan Korea or Kukkiwon Headquarters in South Korea (Kukkiwon address: 635 Yuksam-dong, Kangnam-ku, Seoul, South Korea, Postal Code 13-081, Phone{calling from the USA} #011-822-563-3339, Fax# is 011-822-552-3025). you can contact them and they will tell you that they no longer recognize you both, so who do you continue to put in your ads that you are affiliated with Kukkiwon and the World Taekwondo Federation?

Brian Cummings, even if you are not hanging your former schools certificates on your wall, they are meaningless to you. all they are is pieces of paper. You are showing them to your potential customers, and in a sense that you are trying to use that school's good name and reputation to promote your own. Youare quoted saying that you never said that you received a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt from you former teacher.

WHERE DID YOU GETT THEM THEN? FROM SCOTT BOELN? IF YOUR 1ST DEGREE BLACK BELT IS NOT RECOGNIZED, HOW CAN YOU PROMOTE TO 2ND, 3RD, OR EVEN 4TH DEGREE BLACK BELT? DID YOU MAKE IT UP YOURSELF? WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR LICENSE TO TEACH? WHY DON'T YOU AND SCOTT POST THEM SO EVERYONE CAN JUDGE FOR HIMSLEF OR HERSELF IF YOU ARE LEGITIMATE OR NOT?

You do not have the right to say if your former teacher has fake certification or not. He is well known in the country of South Korea and in the United States. He did not buy his rank and his achievement awards. He earned them. Did you buy yours?

As to whether rankings from your former school are recognized outside of that school, all ranks, color and black belt levels are registered with Kukkiwon in South Korea, there by they are recognized worldwide. as to you stating that we said that we are going to close down any school in the Michiana area that are not authentic.

We are going to do just that. "Why are we the only martial arts school that you are attacking?", you said. You, Scott Bolen, and the Tiger & Dragon Martial Arts Schools are just the first, because the truth about you came to us first.

THIS IS YOU LAST WARNING, BRIAN CUMMINGS. WE HAVE CONTACTED A FEDERAL ATTORNEY, MRS. N, AND AN INDIANA STATE ATTORNEY, MRS. S, AND THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE YOU TO COURT SOON. YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE JUST AS MUCH AS SCOTT AND LAURA BOLEN DID.

Your former instructor is going to meet with the Secretary General of Kukkiwon and other concerned Grand Masters and Masters in South Korea next week about people like you in the United States and in South Korea who are pretending to be who they are not and to be affiliated with oragnizations when they are not.

He is taking full documentation to prove his case against you and Scott Bolen. You do not have very long before you are going to regret your affiliation with Scott Bolen.

In the past, did you or Scott Bolen appply for a state/federal Tax ID number? You must have this in order to sell any supplies or items of any kind.

You are quoted saying that your former instructor needs professional mental help. YOU ARE WAY OFF BASE ON THAT ONE!! He is well known by the locak community college's president, physical education dean and secretary. Just ask them what kind of man your former instructor is.

He has worked with them for over 16 years and would not have continued to work with them this long if he was an unstable person. He is a sharp, accurate, and stong person.

If he were as you are saying he is, then the states and Indiana and Michigan would not use him as a Korean translator when they needed one. they would not trust him if he was unstable, which he is not.

He has helped so many states, countries like Pakistan, Iran, Uguanda and even South Korea. Grand Masters and Masters from all these different places are coming to him for connections to authentic Taekwondo organizations.

They are really appreciative towards the UniversalAmerican national Taekwondo-Habgido-gumdo Union and the Universal Taekwondo-Habgido-Gumdo Union Headquarters in South Korea.

As to you stating that your former instructor's creating his own styles of martial arts is again totally off base.

Habigdo{TM} and Gumdo are the correct Korean spellings, which are currently starting to be used in South Korea and abroad. "Hapkido and Kumdo" are misspelled terms that have been around a long time because originally the Korean Martial Arts community thought that the English-speaking world would not be able to pronounce them correctly, so they made it easier for them. Now, they are changing it back.

So Brian Cummings, who is the honest one now? We are not out to destroy your and Scott Bolen's schools. We are only out to put a stop to your lies about your credentials, and anyone else who may be lying about their rank and recognition. YOU ARE GOING TO FIND OUT REAL SOON WHAT LYING ABOUT YOURSELF WILL GET YOU.

SOON PIL HONG is a LIAR, a person who likes to SMEAR the REPUTATION of people in Niles Michigan

I am a instructor with Tiger and Dragon Martial Arts.

It is TRUE that one of Hong's students came to my school. I used to work this this person at a local R.V. Company a few years ago, I will call him Mr.G.

Mr.G. came in and was looking at the supplies that the weight gym sells. I was talking to some of my friends about Hong and the last letter that he wrote that they found in a Martial Art Mag at a local Bookstore.

Mr.G. asked if he could get some of the supplies in cases, I said that is was very possible but he would have to talk to one of the owners and have them place the order.

I asked Mr.G. were he was working out at ? Because last time that I talked to him he was looking for a gym that was closer to were he lives. He lives in Dowagiac MI.

Mr.G. told me that he worked out at Hong's and I said "I'm sorry" and that he should sign up here because it was in his hometown, he said "No he does not work out at the weight gym at Hong's that he works out at Hong's Taekwondo.

Again I said "I'm Sorry".

He then said that he recogized the letter that my friends and I were talking about and that Hong was telling him stories.

Mr.G. said that Hong told him that I (Brian) was only with Hong's Taekwondo for 3 months.

I said "Really.. Follow Me". I showed Mr.G. all of my colored belt certificates and my Blackbelt 1st Dan, 1st and 2nd tips certificates.

These Certificates have Hong's signature in his HANDWRITING and with his STAMP.

I DO NOT HAVE or NEVER SAID that I had a 2nd or a 3rd Degree from Hong.

Hong is LYING, about ME DISPLAYING a 3rd Degree Blackbelt certificate from Hong's USA Taekwondo school.

Hong also says that I FORGED his signature on that so-called certificate that is also a LIE. Why would I even try to that would be wrong and stupid.

I was only a 1st Degree 2nd Tip when I left Hong.

Hong also says that Mr.G. took a picture of said certificate, let's SEE that PICTURE Hong! Remember you said MY WALL AT MY SCHOOL. So if you make a false certificate with MY name on it and YOUR signature you better have the right wall background couse I WILL prove you WRONG.

I DO NOT NEED or WANT your PROFESSIONAL BACKING.

I now know that any Blackbelt from Hong's USA Taekwondo does not mean anything outside of his school. Because my colored belt and blackbelt certificates have the same number on them just my student ID# and that # is N00077.

I left Hong's becouse of all the lying that I was hearing out of his mouth and the way that he was treating the students.

You made a statement: "There is NOTHING wrong with working hard and HONESTLY trying to make money". That is VERY TRUE.

You also make a statement "Not by trying to DESTROY SOMEONE to make ONE'S SELF LOOK BETTER".

What do you think you are TRYING to do to US at Tiger and Dragon Martial Arts ?

You, HONG, are TRYING to DESTROY US so YOU CAN LOOK BETTER.

Hong says that we are the ones creating our own style of Martial Arts.

NO, HONG, IT IS YOU CREATING NEW STYLES.

Like Habgido(TM) YOU are even (TM) TRADE MARKETING IT.

If you go to www.google.com and type in HABGIDO the sites that come up are HONG'S -- the same with Universal Taekwondo Habgido Gumdo Union and so on.

We left your school Hong, and now you are mad at us 'cause we started our own schools.

YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL MENTAL HELP -- see a DOCTOR before you have a STROKE.

Why are we the ONLY Martial ART school that you are ATTACKING? You were Quoted saying "That you were going to start closing schools down in this area that YOU SAY are not AUTHENTIC".

Who gave you the AUTHORITY to do anything like that?

Plus I do not HEAR you saying anything BAD about any other Taekwondo school.

I urge everone reading Hong's statement to look in the Niles/South Bend phonebook and look at all the other schools and ask Hong the same thing "Why are you ONLY ATTACKING Tiger and Dragon Martial Arts ?

You were the one that ATTACKED US FIRST with that thick letter that you mailed to certain people. We were just doing our thing and not bothering you !

You are the one placing libel in our community bookstores without their permission, and putting your SMEAR LETTERS in the magazines.

WOW ! STOOPING that LOW, well that does sound like you Hong.

You talk about US going around stabbing you in the back.

AGAIN LIES we are not the ones putting letters in magazines to SMEAR PEOPLE because there is no other way for you to do so in the direct MEDIA.

I bet that you would not dare to PRINT your LIES except anonymously.

The BEST THING for you to DO is to SHUT UP and LEAVE US ALONE becsuse YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK BAD....

I am NOT HIDING and I will not use fake names especially your name.

I DO NOT make Certificates for me or anyone.

SOON PIL HONG is a LIAR, a person who likes to SMEAR the REPUTATION of people in Niles Michigan

I am a instructor with Tiger and Dragon Martial Arts.

It is TRUE that one of Hong's students came to my school. I used to work this this person at a local R.V. Company a few years ago, I will call him Mr.G.

Mr.G. came in and was looking at the supplies that the weight gym sells. I was talking to some of my friends about Hong and the last letter that he wrote that they found in a Martial Art Mag at a local Bookstore.

Mr.G. asked if he could get some of the supplies in cases, I said that is was very possible but he would have to talk to one of the owners and have them place the order.

I asked Mr.G. were he was working out at ? Because last time that I talked to him he was looking for a gym that was closer to were he lives. He lives in Dowagiac MI.

Mr.G. told me that he worked out at Hong's and I said "I'm sorry" and that he should sign up here because it was in his hometown, he said "No he does not work out at the weight gym at Hong's that he works out at Hong's Taekwondo.

Again I said "I'm Sorry".

He then said that he recogized the letter that my friends and I were talking about and that Hong was telling him stories.

Mr.G. said that Hong told him that I (Brian) was only with Hong's Taekwondo for 3 months.

I said "Really.. Follow Me". I showed Mr.G. all of my colored belt certificates and my Blackbelt 1st Dan, 1st and 2nd tips certificates.

These Certificates have Hong's signature in his HANDWRITING and with his STAMP.

I DO NOT HAVE or NEVER SAID that I had a 2nd or a 3rd Degree from Hong.

Hong is LYING, about ME DISPLAYING a 3rd Degree Blackbelt certificate from Hong's USA Taekwondo school.

Hong also says that I FORGED his signature on that so-called certificate that is also a LIE. Why would I even try to that would be wrong and stupid.

I was only a 1st Degree 2nd Tip when I left Hong.

Hong also says that Mr.G. took a picture of said certificate, let's SEE that PICTURE Hong! Remember you said MY WALL AT MY SCHOOL. So if you make a false certificate with MY name on it and YOUR signature you better have the right wall background couse I WILL prove you WRONG.

I DO NOT NEED or WANT your PROFESSIONAL BACKING.

I now know that any Blackbelt from Hong's USA Taekwondo does not mean anything outside of his school. Because my colored belt and blackbelt certificates have the same number on them just my student ID# and that # is N00077.

I left Hong's becouse of all the lying that I was hearing out of his mouth and the way that he was treating the students.

You made a statement: "There is NOTHING wrong with working hard and HONESTLY trying to make money". That is VERY TRUE.

You also make a statement "Not by trying to DESTROY SOMEONE to make ONE'S SELF LOOK BETTER".

What do you think you are TRYING to do to US at Tiger and Dragon Martial Arts ?

You, HONG, are TRYING to DESTROY US so YOU CAN LOOK BETTER.

Hong says that we are the ones creating our own style of Martial Arts.

NO, HONG, IT IS YOU CREATING NEW STYLES.

Like Habgido(TM) YOU are even (TM) TRADE MARKETING IT.

If you go to www.google.com and type in HABGIDO the sites that come up are HONG'S -- the same with Universal Taekwondo Habgido Gumdo Union and so on.

We left your school Hong, and now you are mad at us 'cause we started our own schools.

YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL MENTAL HELP -- see a DOCTOR before you have a STROKE.

Why are we the ONLY Martial ART school that you are ATTACKING? You were Quoted saying "That you were going to start closing schools down in this area that YOU SAY are not AUTHENTIC".

Who gave you the AUTHORITY to do anything like that?

Plus I do not HEAR you saying anything BAD about any other Taekwondo school.

I urge everone reading Hong's statement to look in the Niles/South Bend phonebook and look at all the other schools and ask Hong the same thing "Why are you ONLY ATTACKING Tiger and Dragon Martial Arts ?

You were the one that ATTACKED US FIRST with that thick letter that you mailed to certain people. We were just doing our thing and not bothering you !

You are the one placing libel in our community bookstores without their permission, and putting your SMEAR LETTERS in the magazines.

WOW ! STOOPING that LOW, well that does sound like you Hong.

You talk about US going around stabbing you in the back.

AGAIN LIES we are not the ones putting letters in magazines to SMEAR PEOPLE because there is no other way for you to do so in the direct MEDIA.

I bet that you would not dare to PRINT your LIES except anonymously.

The BEST THING for you to DO is to SHUT UP and LEAVE US ALONE becsuse YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK BAD....

I am NOT HIDING and I will not use fake names especially your name.

I DO NOT make Certificates for me or anyone.

SOON PIL HONG is a LIAR, a person who likes to SMEAR the REPUTATION of people in Niles Michigan

I am a instructor with Tiger and Dragon Martial Arts.

It is TRUE that one of Hong's students came to my school. I used to work this this person at a local R.V. Company a few years ago, I will call him Mr.G.

Mr.G. came in and was looking at the supplies that the weight gym sells. I was talking to some of my friends about Hong and the last letter that he wrote that they found in a Martial Art Mag at a local Bookstore.

Mr.G. asked if he could get some of the supplies in cases, I said that is was very possible but he would have to talk to one of the owners and have them place the order.

I asked Mr.G. were he was working out at ? Because last time that I talked to him he was looking for a gym that was closer to were he lives. He lives in Dowagiac MI.

Mr.G. told me that he worked out at Hong's and I said "I'm sorry" and that he should sign up here because it was in his hometown, he said "No he does not work out at the weight gym at Hong's that he works out at Hong's Taekwondo.

Again I said "I'm Sorry".

He then said that he recogized the letter that my friends and I were talking about and that Hong was telling him stories.

Mr.G. said that Hong told him that I (Brian) was only with Hong's Taekwondo for 3 months.

I said "Really.. Follow Me". I showed Mr.G. all of my colored belt certificates and my Blackbelt 1st Dan, 1st and 2nd tips certificates.

These Certificates have Hong's signature in his HANDWRITING and with his STAMP.

I DO NOT HAVE or NEVER SAID that I had a 2nd or a 3rd Degree from Hong.

Hong is LYING, about ME DISPLAYING a 3rd Degree Blackbelt certificate from Hong's USA Taekwondo school.

Hong also says that I FORGED his signature on that so-called certificate that is also a LIE. Why would I even try to that would be wrong and stupid.

I was only a 1st Degree 2nd Tip when I left Hong.

Hong also says that Mr.G. took a picture of said certificate, let's SEE that PICTURE Hong! Remember you said MY WALL AT MY SCHOOL. So if you make a false certificate with MY name on it and YOUR signature you better have the right wall background couse I WILL prove you WRONG.

I DO NOT NEED or WANT your PROFESSIONAL BACKING.

I now know that any Blackbelt from Hong's USA Taekwondo does not mean anything outside of his school. Because my colored belt and blackbelt certificates have the same number on them just my student ID# and that # is N00077.

I left Hong's becouse of all the lying that I was hearing out of his mouth and the way that he was treating the students.

You made a statement: "There is NOTHING wrong with working hard and HONESTLY trying to make money". That is VERY TRUE.

You also make a statement "Not by trying to DESTROY SOMEONE to make ONE'S SELF LOOK BETTER".

What do you think you are TRYING to do to US at Tiger and Dragon Martial Arts ?

You, HONG, are TRYING to DESTROY US so YOU CAN LOOK BETTER.

Hong says that we are the ones creating our own style of Martial Arts.

NO, HONG, IT IS YOU CREATING NEW STYLES.

Like Habgido(TM) YOU are even (TM) TRADE MARKETING IT.

If you go to www.google.com and type in HABGIDO the sites that come up are HONG'S -- the same with Universal Taekwondo Habgido Gumdo Union and so on.

We left your school Hong, and now you are mad at us 'cause we started our own schools.

YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL MENTAL HELP -- see a DOCTOR before you have a STROKE.

Why are we the ONLY Martial ART school that you are ATTACKING? You were Quoted saying "That you were going to start closing schools down in this area that YOU SAY are not AUTHENTIC".

Who gave you the AUTHORITY to do anything like that?

Plus I do not HEAR you saying anything BAD about any other Taekwondo school.

I urge everone reading Hong's statement to look in the Niles/South Bend phonebook and look at all the other schools and ask Hong the same thing "Why are you ONLY ATTACKING Tiger and Dragon Martial Arts ?

You were the one that ATTACKED US FIRST with that thick letter that you mailed to certain people. We were just doing our thing and not bothering you !

You are the one placing libel in our community bookstores without their permission, and putting your SMEAR LETTERS in the magazines.

WOW ! STOOPING that LOW, well that does sound like you Hong.

You talk about US going around stabbing you in the back.

AGAIN LIES we are not the ones putting letters in magazines to SMEAR PEOPLE because there is no other way for you to do so in the direct MEDIA.

I bet that you would not dare to PRINT your LIES except anonymously.

The BEST THING for you to DO is to SHUT UP and LEAVE US ALONE becsuse YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK BAD....

I am NOT HIDING and I will not use fake names especially your name.

I DO NOT make Certificates for me or anyone.

SOON PIL HONG is a LIAR, a person who likes to SMEAR the REPUTATION of people in Niles Michigan

I am a instructor with Tiger and Dragon Martial Arts.

It is TRUE that one of Hong's students came to my school. I used to work this this person at a local R.V. Company a few years ago, I will call him Mr.G.

Mr.G. came in and was looking at the supplies that the weight gym sells. I was talking to some of my friends about Hong and the last letter that he wrote that they found in a Martial Art Mag at a local Bookstore.

Mr.G. asked if he could get some of the supplies in cases, I said that is was very possible but he would have to talk to one of the owners and have them place the order.

I asked Mr.G. were he was working out at ? Because last time that I talked to him he was looking for a gym that was closer to were he lives. He lives in Dowagiac MI.

Mr.G. told me that he worked out at Hong's and I said "I'm sorry" and that he should sign up here because it was in his hometown, he said "No he does not work out at the weight gym at Hong's that he works out at Hong's Taekwondo.

Again I said "I'm Sorry".

He then said that he recogized the letter that my friends and I were talking about and that Hong was telling him stories.

Mr.G. said that Hong told him that I (Brian) was only with Hong's Taekwondo for 3 months.

I said "Really.. Follow Me". I showed Mr.G. all of my colored belt certificates and my Blackbelt 1st Dan, 1st and 2nd tips certificates.

These Certificates have Hong's signature in his HANDWRITING and with his STAMP.

I DO NOT HAVE or NEVER SAID that I had a 2nd or a 3rd Degree from Hong.

Hong is LYING, about ME DISPLAYING a 3rd Degree Blackbelt certificate from Hong's USA Taekwondo school.

Hong also says that I FORGED his signature on that so-called certificate that is also a LIE. Why would I even try to that would be wrong and stupid.

I was only a 1st Degree 2nd Tip when I left Hong.

Hong also says that Mr.G. took a picture of said certificate, let's SEE that PICTURE Hong! Remember you said MY WALL AT MY SCHOOL. So if you make a false certificate with MY name on it and YOUR signature you better have the right wall background couse I WILL prove you WRONG.

I DO NOT NEED or WANT your PROFESSIONAL BACKING.

I now know that any Blackbelt from Hong's USA Taekwondo does not mean anything outside of his school. Because my colored belt and blackbelt certificates have the same number on them just my student ID# and that # is N00077.

I left Hong's becouse of all the lying that I was hearing out of his mouth and the way that he was treating the students.

You made a statement: "There is NOTHING wrong with working hard and HONESTLY trying to make money". That is VERY TRUE.

You also make a statement "Not by trying to DESTROY SOMEONE to make ONE'S SELF LOOK BETTER".

What do you think you are TRYING to do to US at Tiger and Dragon Martial Arts ?

You, HONG, are TRYING to DESTROY US so YOU CAN LOOK BETTER.

Hong says that we are the ones creating our own style of Martial Arts.

NO, HONG, IT IS YOU CREATING NEW STYLES.

Like Habgido(TM) YOU are even (TM) TRADE MARKETING IT.

If you go to www.google.com and type in HABGIDO the sites that come up are HONG'S -- the same with Universal Taekwondo Habgido Gumdo Union and so on.

We left your school Hong, and now you are mad at us 'cause we started our own schools.

YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL MENTAL HELP -- see a DOCTOR before you have a STROKE.

Why are we the ONLY Martial ART school that you are ATTACKING? You were Quoted saying "That you were going to start closing schools down in this area that YOU SAY are not AUTHENTIC".

Who gave you the AUTHORITY to do anything like that?

Plus I do not HEAR you saying anything BAD about any other Taekwondo school.

I urge everone reading Hong's statement to look in the Niles/South Bend phonebook and look at all the other schools and ask Hong the same thing "Why are you ONLY ATTACKING Tiger and Dragon Martial Arts ?

You were the one that ATTACKED US FIRST with that thick letter that you mailed to certain people. We were just doing our thing and not bothering you !

You are the one placing libel in our community bookstores without their permission, and putting your SMEAR LETTERS in the magazines.

WOW ! STOOPING that LOW, well that does sound like you Hong.

You talk about US going around stabbing you in the back.

AGAIN LIES we are not the ones putting letters in magazines to SMEAR PEOPLE because there is no other way for you to do so in the direct MEDIA.

I bet that you would not dare to PRINT your LIES except anonymously.

The BEST THING for you to DO is to SHUT UP and LEAVE US ALONE becsuse YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK BAD....

I am NOT HIDING and I will not use fake names especially your name.

I DO NOT make Certificates for me or anyone.

Scott Bolen and Brian Cummings you better get ready to be taken to court again by Indiana state attorney, Mrs. S. We alreadytook you, Scott bolen to court, in Michigan, Case #02-3959-CZ-T and won. WE WILL WIN AGAIN. You talk about justice and integrity, but you at Tiger & Dragon Martial aRts LLC, 303 E. Day Road in Mishawaka, Indiana 46545, Phone #574-254-0095, & cell phone #574-850-3367 and Brain Cummings at Michigan Athletic Aerobic club, 105 Sheldon Street in Dowagiac, Michigan 49047, Phone #269-782-8901 are both frauds. Brian Cummings is displaying false certification saying that he became a 3rd degree black belt from Grand Master Soon Pil Hong when he was only a 1st degree black belt when he left him years ago. A concerned citizen went to the school in Dowagiac and talked to Brian Cummings. He took a picture of the fake certificate that Brian posted on the wall. He had forged Grandmaster S.P. Hong's signature pretending that he has his professional backing of his school, trying to make it look legitimate.

Scott Bolen has repeatedly been attacking Grandmaster S.P. Hong, Hong's USA Taekwondo, and the UANTU in a sneaky way by using the Rip-off Report website instead of trying to prove his allegations by taking S.P Hong to court. GRANDMASTER HONG MAYBE A TOUGH INSTRUCTOR, BUT HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN HONEST MAN WITH MORE INTEGRITY AND CARING FOR PEOPLE THAN SCOTT BOLEN, LAURA BOLEN, AND BRIAN CUMMINGS WILL EVER HAVE!!

There is nothing wrong with working hard and honestly trying to make money. To earn the same level of excellent reputation that Grandmaster Soon Pil Hong has takes years of "Sweat Equity" and dedication, not by trying to destroy someone to make one's self look better. Because of Grandmaster Hong's efforts and excellent reputation for the truth, many Grandmasters and Masters in South Kroea have joined the Universal Taekwondo-Habgido-Gumdo Union headquartered in Seoul, South Korea. Grandmaster S.P. Hong has sponsored the 1st Annual UTHGU World Champsionships being held in Seoul during his annual Korean Trip from June 25th through July 4th, 2005. Participants are coming from all over the United States and from countries that are members of the Universal American National Taekwondo Union such as California, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Pakistan, Iran, Uganda, and many more.

We are going after Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen, and Brian Cummings the legal way and not by backstabbing. If they want to tell the truth, they why are they using false names when they are accusing Grandmaster Hong of wrongdoing? They are making up names of people who were supposedly members at Hong's USA Taekwondo at one time or another. They are the only ones who have a grudge against Grandmaster Hong. We have had a number of past students come forward and told us about what scott bolen was doing on the Internet and they stated that they were shocked that anyone would be so vindictive towards Grandmaster Hong. They were also shocked to hear that Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen, and Brian cummings were continuing to falisfy their rank as real martial arts instructors and master instrucotrs. They said that they never experienced anything bad concerning Grandmaster Hong and his school.

Scott Bolen and Brian cummings are offering Gumdo and Hapkido classes at both of their location. They are not qualified to teach either martial art. They have only learned how to do Gumdo and Hapkido through video and books and are trying to pass themsleves off as legitimate instrucotrs with master sintructor certification.

If you want to accuse someone of something illegal, use you true identity instead of hiding behind a false name, Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen, and Bian cummings. attacking people in a sneaky way does not make you look any better. Are you afraid to take your allegations to court and do things the legal way? You are because you all know that you are going to lose big time!!

Grand Master Hong is proud of who he is and has the backing of a U.S. Federal attorney, Mrs. N. Any money that he wins, which HE WILL WIN, is going for charities and not in his pocket. Grandmaster Hong is not getting money from the UANTU whatsoever.

Scott Bolen and Brian Cummings you better get ready to be taken to court again by Indiana state attorney, Mrs. S. We alreadytook you, Scott bolen to court, in Michigan, Case #02-3959-CZ-T and won. WE WILL WIN AGAIN. You talk about justice and integrity, but you at Tiger & Dragon Martial aRts LLC, 303 E. Day Road in Mishawaka, Indiana 46545, Phone #574-254-0095, & cell phone #574-850-3367 and Brain Cummings at Michigan Athletic Aerobic club, 105 Sheldon Street in Dowagiac, Michigan 49047, Phone #269-782-8901 are both frauds. Brian Cummings is displaying false certification saying that he became a 3rd degree black belt from Grand Master Soon Pil Hong when he was only a 1st degree black belt when he left him years ago. A concerned citizen went to the school in Dowagiac and talked to Brian Cummings. He took a picture of the fake certificate that Brian posted on the wall. He had forged Grandmaster S.P. Hong's signature pretending that he has his professional backing of his school, trying to make it look legitimate.

Scott Bolen has repeatedly been attacking Grandmaster S.P. Hong, Hong's USA Taekwondo, and the UANTU in a sneaky way by using the Rip-off Report website instead of trying to prove his allegations by taking S.P Hong to court. GRANDMASTER HONG MAYBE A TOUGH INSTRUCTOR, BUT HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN HONEST MAN WITH MORE INTEGRITY AND CARING FOR PEOPLE THAN SCOTT BOLEN, LAURA BOLEN, AND BRIAN CUMMINGS WILL EVER HAVE!!

There is nothing wrong with working hard and honestly trying to make money. To earn the same level of excellent reputation that Grandmaster Soon Pil Hong has takes years of "Sweat Equity" and dedication, not by trying to destroy someone to make one's self look better. Because of Grandmaster Hong's efforts and excellent reputation for the truth, many Grandmasters and Masters in South Kroea have joined the Universal Taekwondo-Habgido-Gumdo Union headquartered in Seoul, South Korea. Grandmaster S.P. Hong has sponsored the 1st Annual UTHGU World Champsionships being held in Seoul during his annual Korean Trip from June 25th through July 4th, 2005. Participants are coming from all over the United States and from countries that are members of the Universal American National Taekwondo Union such as California, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Pakistan, Iran, Uganda, and many more.

We are going after Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen, and Brian Cummings the legal way and not by backstabbing. If they want to tell the truth, they why are they using false names when they are accusing Grandmaster Hong of wrongdoing? They are making up names of people who were supposedly members at Hong's USA Taekwondo at one time or another. They are the only ones who have a grudge against Grandmaster Hong. We have had a number of past students come forward and told us about what scott bolen was doing on the Internet and they stated that they were shocked that anyone would be so vindictive towards Grandmaster Hong. They were also shocked to hear that Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen, and Brian cummings were continuing to falisfy their rank as real martial arts instructors and master instrucotrs. They said that they never experienced anything bad concerning Grandmaster Hong and his school.

Scott Bolen and Brian cummings are offering Gumdo and Hapkido classes at both of their location. They are not qualified to teach either martial art. They have only learned how to do Gumdo and Hapkido through video and books and are trying to pass themsleves off as legitimate instrucotrs with master sintructor certification.

If you want to accuse someone of something illegal, use you true identity instead of hiding behind a false name, Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen, and Bian cummings. attacking people in a sneaky way does not make you look any better. Are you afraid to take your allegations to court and do things the legal way? You are because you all know that you are going to lose big time!!

Grand Master Hong is proud of who he is and has the backing of a U.S. Federal attorney, Mrs. N. Any money that he wins, which HE WILL WIN, is going for charities and not in his pocket. Grandmaster Hong is not getting money from the UANTU whatsoever.

Scott Bolen and Brian Cummings you better get ready to be taken to court again by Indiana state attorney, Mrs. S. We alreadytook you, Scott bolen to court, in Michigan, Case #02-3959-CZ-T and won. WE WILL WIN AGAIN. You talk about justice and integrity, but you at Tiger & Dragon Martial aRts LLC, 303 E. Day Road in Mishawaka, Indiana 46545, Phone #574-254-0095, & cell phone #574-850-3367 and Brain Cummings at Michigan Athletic Aerobic club, 105 Sheldon Street in Dowagiac, Michigan 49047, Phone #269-782-8901 are both frauds. Brian Cummings is displaying false certification saying that he became a 3rd degree black belt from Grand Master Soon Pil Hong when he was only a 1st degree black belt when he left him years ago. A concerned citizen went to the school in Dowagiac and talked to Brian Cummings. He took a picture of the fake certificate that Brian posted on the wall. He had forged Grandmaster S.P. Hong's signature pretending that he has his professional backing of his school, trying to make it look legitimate.

Scott Bolen has repeatedly been attacking Grandmaster S.P. Hong, Hong's USA Taekwondo, and the UANTU in a sneaky way by using the Rip-off Report website instead of trying to prove his allegations by taking S.P Hong to court. GRANDMASTER HONG MAYBE A TOUGH INSTRUCTOR, BUT HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN HONEST MAN WITH MORE INTEGRITY AND CARING FOR PEOPLE THAN SCOTT BOLEN, LAURA BOLEN, AND BRIAN CUMMINGS WILL EVER HAVE!!

There is nothing wrong with working hard and honestly trying to make money. To earn the same level of excellent reputation that Grandmaster Soon Pil Hong has takes years of "Sweat Equity" and dedication, not by trying to destroy someone to make one's self look better. Because of Grandmaster Hong's efforts and excellent reputation for the truth, many Grandmasters and Masters in South Kroea have joined the Universal Taekwondo-Habgido-Gumdo Union headquartered in Seoul, South Korea. Grandmaster S.P. Hong has sponsored the 1st Annual UTHGU World Champsionships being held in Seoul during his annual Korean Trip from June 25th through July 4th, 2005. Participants are coming from all over the United States and from countries that are members of the Universal American National Taekwondo Union such as California, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Pakistan, Iran, Uganda, and many more.

We are going after Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen, and Brian Cummings the legal way and not by backstabbing. If they want to tell the truth, they why are they using false names when they are accusing Grandmaster Hong of wrongdoing? They are making up names of people who were supposedly members at Hong's USA Taekwondo at one time or another. They are the only ones who have a grudge against Grandmaster Hong. We have had a number of past students come forward and told us about what scott bolen was doing on the Internet and they stated that they were shocked that anyone would be so vindictive towards Grandmaster Hong. They were also shocked to hear that Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen, and Brian cummings were continuing to falisfy their rank as real martial arts instructors and master instrucotrs. They said that they never experienced anything bad concerning Grandmaster Hong and his school.

Scott Bolen and Brian cummings are offering Gumdo and Hapkido classes at both of their location. They are not qualified to teach either martial art. They have only learned how to do Gumdo and Hapkido through video and books and are trying to pass themsleves off as legitimate instrucotrs with master sintructor certification.

If you want to accuse someone of something illegal, use you true identity instead of hiding behind a false name, Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen, and Bian cummings. attacking people in a sneaky way does not make you look any better. Are you afraid to take your allegations to court and do things the legal way? You are because you all know that you are going to lose big time!!

Grand Master Hong is proud of who he is and has the backing of a U.S. Federal attorney, Mrs. N. Any money that he wins, which HE WILL WIN, is going for charities and not in his pocket. Grandmaster Hong is not getting money from the UANTU whatsoever.

Scott Bolen and Brian Cummings you better get ready to be taken to court again by Indiana state attorney, Mrs. S. We alreadytook you, Scott bolen to court, in Michigan, Case #02-3959-CZ-T and won. WE WILL WIN AGAIN. You talk about justice and integrity, but you at Tiger & Dragon Martial aRts LLC, 303 E. Day Road in Mishawaka, Indiana 46545, Phone #574-254-0095, & cell phone #574-850-3367 and Brain Cummings at Michigan Athletic Aerobic club, 105 Sheldon Street in Dowagiac, Michigan 49047, Phone #269-782-8901 are both frauds. Brian Cummings is displaying false certification saying that he became a 3rd degree black belt from Grand Master Soon Pil Hong when he was only a 1st degree black belt when he left him years ago. A concerned citizen went to the school in Dowagiac and talked to Brian Cummings. He took a picture of the fake certificate that Brian posted on the wall. He had forged Grandmaster S.P. Hong's signature pretending that he has his professional backing of his school, trying to make it look legitimate.

Scott Bolen has repeatedly been attacking Grandmaster S.P. Hong, Hong's USA Taekwondo, and the UANTU in a sneaky way by using the Rip-off Report website instead of trying to prove his allegations by taking S.P Hong to court. GRANDMASTER HONG MAYBE A TOUGH INSTRUCTOR, BUT HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN HONEST MAN WITH MORE INTEGRITY AND CARING FOR PEOPLE THAN SCOTT BOLEN, LAURA BOLEN, AND BRIAN CUMMINGS WILL EVER HAVE!!

There is nothing wrong with working hard and honestly trying to make money. To earn the same level of excellent reputation that Grandmaster Soon Pil Hong has takes years of "Sweat Equity" and dedication, not by trying to destroy someone to make one's self look better. Because of Grandmaster Hong's efforts and excellent reputation for the truth, many Grandmasters and Masters in South Kroea have joined the Universal Taekwondo-Habgido-Gumdo Union headquartered in Seoul, South Korea. Grandmaster S.P. Hong has sponsored the 1st Annual UTHGU World Champsionships being held in Seoul during his annual Korean Trip from June 25th through July 4th, 2005. Participants are coming from all over the United States and from countries that are members of the Universal American National Taekwondo Union such as California, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Pakistan, Iran, Uganda, and many more.

We are going after Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen, and Brian Cummings the legal way and not by backstabbing. If they want to tell the truth, they why are they using false names when they are accusing Grandmaster Hong of wrongdoing? They are making up names of people who were supposedly members at Hong's USA Taekwondo at one time or another. They are the only ones who have a grudge against Grandmaster Hong. We have had a number of past students come forward and told us about what scott bolen was doing on the Internet and they stated that they were shocked that anyone would be so vindictive towards Grandmaster Hong. They were also shocked to hear that Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen, and Brian cummings were continuing to falisfy their rank as real martial arts instructors and master instrucotrs. They said that they never experienced anything bad concerning Grandmaster Hong and his school.

Scott Bolen and Brian cummings are offering Gumdo and Hapkido classes at both of their location. They are not qualified to teach either martial art. They have only learned how to do Gumdo and Hapkido through video and books and are trying to pass themsleves off as legitimate instrucotrs with master sintructor certification.

If you want to accuse someone of something illegal, use you true identity instead of hiding behind a false name, Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen, and Bian cummings. attacking people in a sneaky way does not make you look any better. Are you afraid to take your allegations to court and do things the legal way? You are because you all know that you are going to lose big time!!

Grand Master Hong is proud of who he is and has the backing of a U.S. Federal attorney, Mrs. N. Any money that he wins, which HE WILL WIN, is going for charities and not in his pocket. Grandmaster Hong is not getting money from the UANTU whatsoever.

I have done business with Master Hong.

I have a family member that trained under Master Hong for six years and spent thousands ! Sixty dollars a month for six years.

After reading the comments on this board, I believe that Mr. Hong is the author of several of them. His writing style is distinctive, as you would expect from someone who learned English as a second language.

I have no reason to believe that Scott Bolen is dishonest. I have plenty of reason to believe that Master Hong is unstable and dangerous.

The local bookstores have been handling complaints about finding Master Hong's tirades against Scott Bolen inserted in the Martial Arts magazines.

This whole situation is practically unbelievable.

That one man would go to such lengths to run his competition out of business, making so many and varied accusations is unsettling.

Scott Bolen is continuing to advertise that he belongs to legitimate organizations and he is making some up of his own. He has an ad in the SBC-Michiana Area Phone book. It is on page 386.

Feel free to photocopy this page in order to sue Scott Bolen, Laura Bolen of Tiger & Dragon Martial Arts LLC, 303 E. Day Road #2, Mishawaka, Indiana 46545, Phone #574-254-0095, and cell phone #574-850-3367, website: www.musool.com is still being listed when it is no longer accessible.

Brian Cummings runs his Dowagiac branch school at Mishigan Athletic Aerobic Club, 105 Sheldon Street, Dowagiac, Michigan 49047, Phone #269-782-8901.

People of Michiana, you have the right to sue these people and get your membership fees and more back in court settlements. There are state and federal laws against fraud and flase advertising.

The other people, who are involved with these liars are the floowing: Tom Henry, Joshua Geopfrich, Todd Nicholas, Norm Welker, Randy Bazyck, and Nick Traxler. These people, because of their connections with Scott And Laura Bolen, also hold fake belt certificates. Scott Bolen is continuing to dig himself into a deeper, and deeper hole of trouble that he will not be able to get out of.

Scott Bolen is claiming that his school is recognized by Hapkido Cheongkyumkwan, Korea Hapkido Federation, Kukkiwon, and the World Taekwon Moodo Federation, which are all from South Korea. This statement is full of lies.

First of all, the Hapkido Cheongkyumkwan is a branch of the Korea Hapkido Federation. No one from the Hapkido Cheongkyumkwan is authorized to promote anyone to any black belt level in Hapkido. Scott Bolen was not authorized to open an official Hapkido Cheongkyumkwan U.S. Branch School.

Scott Bolen only has a participation certificate from Hapkido Cheongkyumkwan from a trip he took to seoul, South Korea with a few of his chosen students. The president of the Korea Hakido Federation, Sae-Rim Oh must authorize any black belt certification in the Korea Hapkido Federation. You can ask the President of Kukiwon (Taekwondo Headquarters in Seoul, South Korea), Woon-Kyu Uhm about Scott Bolen. He will tell you that he is only a registered 1st degree black belt (Kukkiwon/World Taekwondo Federation ID #05081487).

You can contact President Woon-Kyu Uhm at Kukkiwon Headquarters at 635 Yuksam-dong, Kangnam-ku, seoul, South Korea, Postal Code 135-081. You can also reach him at Phone #011-822-563-3339 and fax #011-822-522-3025. The World taekwondo Federation never gave Scott Bolen a Master Instructor's Certification.

As to the world Taekwon Moodo Federation: there is no such organization. Scott Bolen made up this organization in a vain attempt to cover up his lies about belonging to other organizaitons and federations. How can anyone like this continue to be allowed to operate a martial arts school? Scott Bolen is a very deceitful individual and he brainwashes his students into believing his "Tall Tales".

In his SBC-Michiana Phone Book ad, Scott Bolen is claiming that the school's martial arts curriculum had been professionally designed. WHAT PROFESSIONAL? HE IS ONLY A PROFESSIONAL CON ARTIST!! How can anyone that is a own liar and a cheat teach children or adults life building character skills? Scott Bolen can't teach self-improvement because he can't improve himself first!! The only things tht Scott Bolen can teach, is how to be a fraud. He likes to teach his students flashy/fancy techniques that they may not be able to remember when they really need them. Scott Bolen is also stating in his ad that his Tiger & Dragon School is a safe,fun, family-friendly environment that offers an after-school day program. Again, he has been connected with pornography and with sexual misconduct with a female student at a local community college in Dowagiac, Michigan.

People of Michiana, you need to wake up and help us put a stop to Scott Bolen and everyone that is connected with him. DON'T LET HIM CONTINUE TO BE AROUND YOUR CHILDREN!! HIS TIGER & DRAGON MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOL IS NOT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR CHILDREN OR EVEN FOR ADULTS!! You have the state and federal laws on your Side! Take Scott bolen, Laura Bolen, and all their associates to court and get 100% of your money back and much more!! send these people to jail so that they will not defraud anyone else!! Don't let them continue to operate a false business anywhere!! Don't let them leave town and open up shop somewhere else!!!

If Scott Bolen and Laura Bolen are who they say they are, then why have they closed their Tiger & Draong Martial Arts school on 303 E. Day Road, Mishawaka, Indiana and possibly skipped town? On May 6, 2005, we were called by a former student of Grand Master Soon Pil Hong's, who said they went to Scott Bolen's School on 303 E. Day Road to check it out. This person said that he saw an empty building. All the furniture and even the carpet was removed. If He was an honest person, and not falsely accusing other people, then he wouldn't close up shop and run out of town.

Back in Janauary of 2003, Scott bolen and his wife, Laura Bolen, were taken to court in the state of Michigan for falsely accusing a Michigan business owner of wrongful business practices and for lying about their own ranking credientials. The case number was #02-3959-CZ-T. The plaintiff had all his documents in legal order to prove the defenants liable. The plaintiff was awarded a judgement against the Bolens in the amount of over $50,000.00 because Scott and Laura Bolen failed to show up in court to give statement in their own defense. You, the pople of Michiana have the same right to take these people to court in MIchigan or in Indiana. They continue to lie about their Taekwondo and Hapkido belt rankings, going back and forth from 3rd degree balck belt to 6th degree balck belt. the following peopleare also associated with Scott Bolen and have fake belt rankings: tom Henry, Joshua Geopfrich, Todd Nicholas, Norm Welker, Randy Bazyck, and Nick Traxler; also there is Brian cummings of the Tiger & Dragon School at the Michigan Athletic Aerobic Club at 105 Sheldon Street, Dowagiac, MIchigan, 269-782-8901. Kukkiwon is the International Heaqdquarters of Taekwondo in conjunction with the World Taekwondo Federation, whose headquarters are also in Seoul, South Korea. Back on Janaury 27, 2005, several concerned Michiana Citizens visited Scott Bolen at his Tiger & Dragon Martial Arts School on 303 E. Day Road in Mishawaka, Indiana, because Scott bolen had been quoted to say that anyone that wanted to see proof of his rank, that they could come in and he wuold show it to them. Scott Bolen is a yo-yo. He lied about being 4th degree black belt, changed it 5th dgree black belt, and changed it again to 6th degree black belt. Scott Bolen could not show any proof of himself having documention for whatever ranks or affiliations from Korea Hapkido Federation, Kukkiwon, or World Taekwondo Federation. These organizations are all headquartered in Seoul, South Korea. Korea Hapkido Federation has only a copy of Scott Bolen's ChungKyumKwan Participation Certificate. He was not authorized to open a U.S. Branch School. You can contact the Korea Hapkido Federation by phone at #011-822-3437-3530 or by fax at #011-822-456-0953. Scott Bolen then showed the Michigan ctizens his Kukkiwon/World Taekwondo Federation Identification Card. The ID number was #05081487. The concerned citizens said that they wanted to confirm this by calling the Kukkiwon Headuqrters. They called them at Phone #011-822-563-3339. They spoke to a Kukkiwon employee, a Mr. Hyun-Sung Lee, who works in the Black Belt Certification Division. Mr. Lee said that Scott Bolen is only a registered 1st degree black belt and not any other rank. Please call yourself to confirm if you wish or you can also fax your inquiry to Kukkiwon at Fax #011-822-522-3025.

Now we have all the proof we nee against Scott Bolen's false Taekwondo rank. How can he promote anybody to color belt certification if he is not a qualified Master INstructor in any federation or organization? How can Scott Bolen promote anyone to 1st, 2nd, or 3rd degree balck belts in Takeondo or Hapkido if he is only a registered 1st degree balck belt in Taekwondo himself? Scott Bolen's rank and the ranks of all his associates are not real. Finally, the Grand Master, from South Korea, who was supporting Scott bolen, stopped all contact with him because Scott Bolen is trash and is not who he said he was. You can contact this Grand master in South Korea and confirm this for yourselves by calling him at Phone #011-822-2695-7924 of by fax at #011-822-2693-8924. How can all those peole listed in the above paragraphs continue to support some like that, expecially since they have been connected to pornography and sexual misconduct towards a female student at a local community college in Dwoagiac, Michigan. Please put a stop to these people and keep them away from your children!!

There are stae and federal lawas that prohibit false advertising. The courts are on your side, Michiana. go to their Tiger & Dragon School at 303 e. Day Road, MIshawaka, Indiana or at 105 Sheldon Street, dowagiac, Michigan and investigate them. If you signup with them, go back after a week and ask to se their credentials and martial arts certifications. They will not be able to produce them and then you can use the court system to sue Scott and Laura Bolen and all their associates. Get your money back and send these people to jail for fraud and for tax evasion!! They haven't paid taxes in a long time. They have to post a state tax permit in order to be a legitimate business!!

AS A PAST STUDENT OF GM HONG, I CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT HE IS AN ACCOMPLISHED MARTIAL ARTIST. NO DOUBT...A GRANDMASTER.

MONEY HUNGRY? HARDLY. GRANDMASTER, THEN "MASTER", HONG ALLOWED ME TO TRAIN AT NO COST. HE EVEN LET ME TEST WITHOUT PAYING THE TESTING FEES. HE WAS ALSO INSTRUMENTAL IN TRAINING OTHERS IN MY FAMILY. HE TREATED US AS FAMILY...NOT AS A COMMODITY.

AS FOR SCOTT BOLEN...HE AND I WERE IN THE SAME CLASSES TOGETHER. I REMEMBER A TALL, LANKY, SEEMINGLY NICE GUY, BUT WITH LOW SELF-ESTEEM. HE TALKED A BIG TALK, BUT I NEVER REALLY SAW HIM DELIVER.

AS FAR AS SCOTT'S ALLEGATIONS, THAT'S ALL THEY ARE. HE JUST WANTS ATTENTION.

AND SCOTT, WHEN YOU READ THIS, AND I'M SURE "YOU" WILL...TRY TO REMEMBER THAT A TRUE MARTIAL ARTIST EXUDES CONTROL OVER MIND, BODY, AND SPIRIT. IF YOU "ARE" A TRUE MARTIAL ARTIST, TRY TO FOCUS ON "YOU", AND WHAT "YOU" CAN DO TO IMPROVE "YOURSELF". STOP TRYING TO TAKE OTHERS DOWN WITH YOU.

AS A PAST STUDENT OF GM HONG, I CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT HE IS AN ACCOMPLISHED MARTIAL ARTIST. NO DOUBT...A GRANDMASTER.

MONEY HUNGRY? HARDLY. GRANDMASTER, THEN "MASTER", HONG ALLOWED ME TO TRAIN AT NO COST. HE EVEN LET ME TEST WITHOUT PAYING THE TESTING FEES. HE WAS ALSO INSTRUMENTAL IN TRAINING OTHERS IN MY FAMILY. HE TREATED US AS FAMILY...NOT AS A COMMODITY.

AS FOR SCOTT BOLEN...HE AND I WERE IN THE SAME CLASSES TOGETHER. I REMEMBER A TALL, LANKY, SEEMINGLY NICE GUY, BUT WITH LOW SELF-ESTEEM. HE TALKED A BIG TALK, BUT I NEVER REALLY SAW HIM DELIVER.

AS FAR AS SCOTT'S ALLEGATIONS, THAT'S ALL THEY ARE. HE JUST WANTS ATTENTION.

AND SCOTT, WHEN YOU READ THIS, AND I'M SURE "YOU" WILL...TRY TO REMEMBER THAT A TRUE MARTIAL ARTIST EXUDES CONTROL OVER MIND, BODY, AND SPIRIT. IF YOU "ARE" A TRUE MARTIAL ARTIST, TRY TO FOCUS ON "YOU", AND WHAT "YOU" CAN DO TO IMPROVE "YOURSELF". STOP TRYING TO TAKE OTHERS DOWN WITH YOU.

My own experience with tae kwon do began the summer after my senior year of high school, when I decided I wanted to take up martial arts in college. I looked around my home area for schools to start learning tae kwon do during the summer, and found three possibilities.

This allows me to make my first comment about Samuel's allegations. That is that he is not "sucking dry" anyone. The first school I looked at, the Rockford Academy of Tae Kwon Do, charged one hundred dollars a month. They have a website with contact information if you wish to verify this. Jung's Martial Arts cost 50$ a month; they have no website but you can look up the phone number on the internet my searching for Rockford Martial Schools and clicking on the Yellow pages site that comes up. The other area schools have similar pricing. In contrast I paid something like thirty or forty dollars to join the club for a whole academic year.

The reality is that Master Hong is not well off through Tae Kwon Do at all. In addition to teaching at his school in Niles, MI, he teaches at Notre Dame and visits his branch school in Mishawaka; he also has a wife, with whom he runs a Korean restaurant where he has responsibilities. They have only one car (if they have that, I'm not sure) and I have driven him back to the restaurant from Niles more than once. I assure you that he isnt taking about two hours every evening away from his wife and job for meager financial gain. Rather, he has a genuine love of the martial art he grew up studying.

I will also say that Master Hong is almost three times my age, and can move in a far more coordinated manner than I can. Also, he can put us in join locks that no one can get out of and no one else can do nearly as well, not even the black belts. So obviously he picked that up somewhere. And for the coordination and strength, even if somehow he's fooling all of his students (many of whom have studied at other schools and have a standard of comparison), he could get rich making a workout program; like I said, the man is both much older and much stronger/faster than I, and I am a 19 year old who runs and works out regularly. What I am saying is that it is obvious he has spent years practing his skills.

Scott - Notre Dame

I have the distinct pleasure of being taught by Grandmaster Hong at least once every week. He is an exceptional teacher. He has extraordinary ability, a positive attitude, and a great deal of patience. I have improved enormously under his teaching.

I will not attend to the charges laid on Grandmaster Hong concerning tax evasion. Though I know nothing of these matters, I have little doubt these accusations will prove groundless. This is because the other mentioned charges are patently false.

It was argued that Grandmaster Hong bilks his clients for all their worth. This is the most ridiculous claim I have heard. Grandmaster Hong offers Notre Dame students the exceptional price of lessons at the cost of forty dollars a semester. This amounts to roughly ten dollars per month, a third of what I paid at my old school. Quite frankly, from a financial standpoint, I don't see how he continues to teach at Notre Dame. There simply isn't enough money there to justify it. I'm quite certain that Grandmaster Hong teaches at Notre Dame because he loves Tae Kwon Do and is willing to suffer a loss to help a few dedicated students.

In addition to our low monthly dues, Grandmaster Hong gives us deeply discounted prices on all equipment. I can a buy a dobok (full body uniform) for the price of a pair of jeans. Having bought equipment from other schools previously, I can personally vouch for Grandmaster Hong's competitive pricing.

Even if one accounts for the fees generated when belt-testing occurs (which is once every three months), the venture is anything but a goldmine. Grandmaster Hong's testing fees are close (possibly even the same, although I would have to double check this) to the fees I paid at my old dojang. There is no scam occurring here.

Grandmaster Hong is if anything, overly generous with his customers. Many of us at Notre Dame would gladly suffer a significant price increase if he asked it; we feel that his instruction is will worth it.

I would also like to address the matter concerning the validity of Grandmaster Hong's status as a grandmaster. I do not know of the certification process or the required documents to prove such a thing. Yet I have no doubt that Grandmaster Hong has earned his rank.

I can only offer empirical evidence as my proof. For instance, when demonstrating pressure points and joint lock ups, Grandmaster Hong can control our entire bodies using no more than two fingers on his hand (whereas most of us can accomplish nothing using every resource at our disposal). Grandmaster Hong, a man well into his middle years, moves with an alacrity far greater than anything I have ever seen.

Before I studied under Grandmaster Hong, I studied in Minnesota under Master Scott Peterson. Another excellent teacher, Master Scott sent me to a black belt camp so that I would see a grandmaster move. He felt it was important that I see one of Tae Kwon Do's greatest teachers in action. He was right.

The grandmaster who performed the demonstrations was the one who founded my previous school: Grandmaster Moo Yong Yun. During his demonstrations, he defeated attacks from other skilled masters with careless ease. It was awe inspiring to see a man of his age (he was well over fifty) casually disable men half his age. He moved with unparalleled, strength, speed, and self assurance. Grandmaster Yun moved like no other man I had ever seen, martial artist or otherwise. Grandmaster Hong moves in exactly the same matter. He defends himself with the same effortless grace. He has the same extraordinary strength and speed.

Grandmaster Hong and Grandmaster Yun are the only men I have ever seen who possess these extraordinary capabilities. There are few such men in the world. At Notre Dame, I have the rare luxury of being taught directly by such a qualified teacher.

I have studied Tae Kwon Do for five years now. I was a two time sparring champion of the Tae Kwon Do junior-Olympics (at blue and red belt in 2001 and 2002, respectively). I was raised to a first degree black belt by Master Scott Peterson last summer. Master Scott is the head instructor at Northland Tae Kwon Do, a school in Grand Rapids, Minnesota. These are comparatively paltry credentials when compared to Grandmaster Hong or even a lower rank master, but these years I have studied have given me insight enough to see who is really skilled at Tae Kwon Do. Grandmaster Hong is undoubtedly a grandmaster, he does not bilk his customers, and he is an excellent teacher. Groundless claims to the contrary can only reflect poorly on the person who makes such claims, and it is enough to confirm my suspicions that the other charges are false as well.

You say that you have had meetings with "several influential members of the Korean martial art community" and have disturbing news concerning Soon Pil Hong. Who are these people and why don't you list their contact information? We know who you really are. We know that you are running out of options. We have took you and your group to court for pretending to be ranking black belt instructors and master instructors when you have faked Korean masters signatures to try to show potential customers that you are "a legitimate martial artist".

You claim to have proof that Soon Pil Hong has made false claims about his credientials and exprience, bilking them of their integrity and money. Grand Master, NOT Master, Soon Pil Hong as earned his rank as and as an excellent reputation in the Korean Martial Arts community and here in the USA. He has had over 37 years of experience in the arts of Taekwondo, Habgido(TM), and Gumdo and has no reason what so ever to lie about who he is or where he comes from, or where he may be going along his choosen career path. If you, "Samuel" or anyone else want to know who Grand Master Soon Pil Hong really is, you can contact Mr. Kim, B.S. at Kukkiwon Headquarters,at 635 Yuksam-dong, kangnam-ku, Seoul, South Korea (Postal Code: 135-081), Phone # (from the USA) 011-822-563-3339 Fax # is 011-822-552-3025. Mr. Kim, B.S. is NOT a sectariat but is the Kukkiwon Committee Manager in charge of the Black Belt Certification Division. Mr. Kim knows Grand Master Soon Pil Hong to be an honest and trust-worthy individual and many Korean masters and Grand Masters in the USA and South Korea know hime to be a TRUE AUTHENTIC KOREAN GRAND MASTER. Scott Bolen, aka "John Kent", aka "Samuel", aka "John Chen" can not say one thing of truth. Heis claiming to be a Master Instructor of Taekwondo and Hapkido. By calling Kukkiwon Headquarters, you can verify that his Kukkiwon ID #05081487 is not a Master's ranking of 5th or 6th degree black belt, but only is a registered 1st degree black belt. How can he Scott Bolen ("Samuel") be a Certifed Master Instructor in Taekwondo if he is only a 1st degree black belt. You have to have a Master Instructor's License in order to be able to promote anyone to color belt or black belt ranking. He has been promoting his friends and students by faking their certificates because he can't give them authentic ones because his rank is just as fake as theirs is.

As to having a class action lawsuit against him or the UANTU for fraud and tax evasion, and cotractual non-compliance is a vindicative statment made by Scott Bolen "Samuel" in an attempt to distract the authority from coming after him. If anyone wants to verify that the UANTU is a legitimate organization, please contact them through their website. In order to be an legitimate organization, you have to have official tax documents, which the UANTU has. In response to the statement that Soon Pil Hong is in trouble for contractual non-compliance is false. All one has to see is a copy of the membership agreement that he uses each time that he signs someone. Everything is in black & white. Clear as it can be. You will be able to verify his record by contacting his membership services company and by coming in to see a copy of the membership agreement for yourself. He has nothing to hide, whatsoever. I have because I am a student of Grand Master Soon Pil Hong and he has NEVER done anything to prove these false allegations to be true. He may be a tough Instructor but he loves his students like they are his own family and would not deal with them in this way. He is NOT a "Finanical Vampire" but an honest businessman, who loves his choosen career as an Martial Arts Instructor. Martial Arts is his way life and not just a "get rich quick" scheme, unlike Scott Bolen and all of his aliases.

You say that you have had meetings with "several influential members of the Korean martial art community" and have disturbing news concerning Soon Pil Hong. Who are these people and why don't you list their contact information? We know who you really are. We know that you are running out of options. We have took you and your group to court for pretending to be ranking black belt instructors and master instructors when you have faked Korean masters signatures to try to show potential customers that you are "a legitimate martial artist".

You claim to have proof that Soon Pil Hong has made false claims about his credientials and exprience, bilking them of their integrity and money. Grand Master, NOT Master, Soon Pil Hong as earned his rank as and as an excellent reputation in the Korean Martial Arts community and here in the USA. He has had over 37 years of experience in the arts of Taekwondo, Habgido(TM), and Gumdo and has no reason what so ever to lie about who he is or where he comes from, or where he may be going along his choosen career path. If you, "Samuel" or anyone else want to know who Grand Master Soon Pil Hong really is, you can contact Mr. Kim, B.S. at Kukkiwon Headquarters,at 635 Yuksam-dong, kangnam-ku, Seoul, South Korea (Postal Code: 135-081), Phone # (from the USA) 011-822-563-3339 Fax # is 011-822-552-3025. Mr. Kim, B.S. is NOT a sectariat but is the Kukkiwon Committee Manager in charge of the Black Belt Certification Division. Mr. Kim knows Grand Master Soon Pil Hong to be an honest and trust-worthy individual and many Korean masters and Grand Masters in the USA and South Korea know hime to be a TRUE AUTHENTIC KOREAN GRAND MASTER. Scott Bolen, aka "John Kent", aka "Samuel", aka "John Chen" can not say one thing of truth. Heis claiming to be a Master Instructor of Taekwondo and Hapkido. By calling Kukkiwon Headquarters, you can verify that his Kukkiwon ID #05081487 is not a Master's ranking of 5th or 6th degree black belt, but only is a registered 1st degree black belt. How can he Scott Bolen ("Samuel") be a Certifed Master Instructor in Taekwondo if he is only a 1st degree black belt. You have to have a Master Instructor's License in order to be able to promote anyone to color belt or black belt ranking. He has been promoting his friends and students by faking their certificates because he can't give them authentic ones because his rank is just as fake as theirs is.

As to having a class action lawsuit against him or the UANTU for fraud and tax evasion, and cotractual non-compliance is a vindicative statment made by Scott Bolen "Samuel" in an attempt to distract the authority from coming after him. If anyone wants to verify that the UANTU is a legitimate organization, please contact them through their website. In order to be an legitimate organization, you have to have official tax documents, which the UANTU has. In response to the statement that Soon Pil Hong is in trouble for contractual non-compliance is false. All one has to see is a copy of the membership agreement that he uses each time that he signs someone. Everything is in black & white. Clear as it can be. You will be able to verify his record by contacting his membership services company and by coming in to see a copy of the membership agreement for yourself. He has nothing to hide, whatsoever. I have because I am a student of Grand Master Soon Pil Hong and he has NEVER done anything to prove these false allegations to be true. He may be a tough Instructor but he loves his students like they are his own family and would not deal with them in this way. He is NOT a "Finanical Vampire" but an honest businessman, who loves his choosen career as an Martial Arts Instructor. Martial Arts is his way life and not just a "get rich quick" scheme, unlike Scott Bolen and all of his aliases.

You say that you have had meetings with "several influential members of the Korean martial art community" and have disturbing news concerning Soon Pil Hong. Who are these people and why don't you list their contact information? We know who you really are. We know that you are running out of options. We have took you and your group to court for pretending to be ranking black belt instructors and master instructors when you have faked Korean masters signatures to try to show potential customers that you are "a legitimate martial artist".

You claim to have proof that Soon Pil Hong has made false claims about his credientials and exprience, bilking them of their integrity and money. Grand Master, NOT Master, Soon Pil Hong as earned his rank as and as an excellent reputation in the Korean Martial Arts community and here in the USA. He has had over 37 years of experience in the arts of Taekwondo, Habgido(TM), and Gumdo and has no reason what so ever to lie about who he is or where he comes from, or where he may be going along his choosen career path. If you, "Samuel" or anyone else want to know who Grand Master Soon Pil Hong really is, you can contact Mr. Kim, B.S. at Kukkiwon Headquarters,at 635 Yuksam-dong, kangnam-ku, Seoul, South Korea (Postal Code: 135-081), Phone # (from the USA) 011-822-563-3339 Fax # is 011-822-552-3025. Mr. Kim, B.S. is NOT a sectariat but is the Kukkiwon Committee Manager in charge of the Black Belt Certification Division. Mr. Kim knows Grand Master Soon Pil Hong to be an honest and trust-worthy individual and many Korean masters and Grand Masters in the USA and South Korea know hime to be a TRUE AUTHENTIC KOREAN GRAND MASTER. Scott Bolen, aka "John Kent", aka "Samuel", aka "John Chen" can not say one thing of truth. Heis claiming to be a Master Instructor of Taekwondo and Hapkido. By calling Kukkiwon Headquarters, you can verify that his Kukkiwon ID #05081487 is not a Master's ranking of 5th or 6th degree black belt, but only is a registered 1st degree black belt. How can he Scott Bolen ("Samuel") be a Certifed Master Instructor in Taekwondo if he is only a 1st degree black belt. You have to have a Master Instructor's License in order to be able to promote anyone to color belt or black belt ranking. He has been promoting his friends and students by faking their certificates because he can't give them authentic ones because his rank is just as fake as theirs is.

As to having a class action lawsuit against him or the UANTU for fraud and tax evasion, and cotractual non-compliance is a vindicative statment made by Scott Bolen "Samuel" in an attempt to distract the authority from coming after him. If anyone wants to verify that the UANTU is a legitimate organization, please contact them through their website. In order to be an legitimate organization, you have to have official tax documents, which the UANTU has. In response to the statement that Soon Pil Hong is in trouble for contractual non-compliance is false. All one has to see is a copy of the membership agreement that he uses each time that he signs someone. Everything is in black & white. Clear as it can be. You will be able to verify his record by contacting his membership services company and by coming in to see a copy of the membership agreement for yourself. He has nothing to hide, whatsoever. I have because I am a student of Grand Master Soon Pil Hong and he has NEVER done anything to prove these false allegations to be true. He may be a tough Instructor but he loves his students like they are his own family and would not deal with them in this way. He is NOT a "Finanical Vampire" but an honest businessman, who loves his choosen career as an Martial Arts Instructor. Martial Arts is his way life and not just a "get rich quick" scheme, unlike Scott Bolen and all of his aliases.