International Olde English Bulldogge Association - IOEBA The World's Largest Cross Breed Registry And No Pure Breed Olde English Bulldogge and RareBreed Mutt Registry Tehachapi California

The OEB Debate

The debate over who is producing real Olde English Bulldogges will never end. This is primarily due to the fact that the OEB is a re-creation breed of dog along with a lot of combating egos. This implies that the breed died off at some point and someone decided to try and re-create the breed based on their research and some photos that they found in some old books. A few people have been credited with the re-creation of the dog as we know it today. The reality is that no one currently has an OEB with an OEB pedigree that can be traced back more than 50 years regardless what they say. We have to accept the fact that the breed had become extinct for a period of time for whatever reason. Any OEB dog born in the last fifty years is what we believe that the ancestor dogs looked like.

I know it to be a fact that I cannot tell another breeder how to run their yard. I also know it to be a fact that many breeders are doing their own things on their yards. Some of the dogs that they have produced do not even resemble what we envision an OEB to look like. But you can't tell some folks anything. Some of these so called OEB's look like bricked up Pit Bulls, small American Bulldogs and oversized English bulldogs. The bad thing about this situation is that they will continue to breed these dogs, register the litters and sell the puppies as though they are the real deal to unsuspecting buyers. The goal of any respectful breeder is to improve the breed with each breeding. This statement implies that the breeder must know the current standards and understand that every dog is not meant to be breed. Every dog does not have that It just because you own it. However, every puppy born deserves to go to a good home for the rest of their life. As a breeder, you have to be big enough to remove certain dogs from your breeding program, especially if the dog has too many faults regardless how much you paid it. Please keep in mind that a superior dog will not automatically clean up the faults of an inferior dog. More importantly, a veteran breeder would not put a superior dog on an inferior dog and hope for a great outcome. Furthermore, two marginal dogs will seldom produce anything other than marginal offspring.

The other dilemma that we have to deal with is the questionable breeders that conduct mutli-sire hits and arbitrarily decides which male they will say sired the litter. Not only is this an unethical breeding practice, a purchaser will not be able to eliminate certain flaws that he or she is hoping to eradicate from their breeding program. Most breeders base their purchases on the pedigree of the dog that they want to purchase. If the paperwork is bogus the breeder does not know which dog is throwing the undesirable faults that they are producing in the future. When a person states that their goal is to produce high quality OEB's they need to put some conviction behind those words. As a current breeder of OEB's and a former breeder of bullmastiffs, I have outright refused to conduct some breedings because it would do nothing to enhance the breed. My reputation is more important than the little money they wanted to throw my way.

Keeping it real, there is enough BS going on with the OEB's to make me want to invest my time and money into another breed. However, most of the bully breeds that I like are also going through the same thing or have too many health concerns for my liking. So what I am going to do? I am only going to breed the best dogs that I have access too in attempts to help standardize a breed that I am really fond of for a number of reasons.

In closing, the Olde English Bulldogge will probably never become an AKC dog due to the wide variations in the breed. Until OEB breeders respect the standards no one else will respect the breed. How can a dog be judged objectively when they are all over the place? The ultimate compliment of an outstanding breeding program is when a person can recognize your OEB dog and not question what type of dog it is or speculate on the parentage of the dog.

Brian Turner, M. Ed., Breeder
Gangway's Olde English Bulldogges
www.goebulls.com

The IOEBA is the World's Largest mutt registry Kennel Club in the world. These people will registry anything as pure breed but don't known what and how to line breed a dog. They think there Olde English Bulldogges Standard is the right ways but it is not. Buyer beware of getting These paper work. They are crossing American Bulldogs with English Bulldogs call them Olde English Bulldogges and cutting the dogs tail make them look like Big English Bulldogs.

ALSO IT SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE BIG ENGLISH BULLDOG WITH A "SCREWED" TAILS OR A CUT TAIL. THE OLDE ENGLISH BULLDOGGE IS WORKING BULLDOG BREED.

these people will registry anything as pure breed buyer beware of these clowns. This people are registry bull crap dogs as Olde English Bulldogges have many so call breeders and selling Bull crap cross breed to consnmers as pure breed dogs. This is fact and true story.


People need to understand the truth. Olde English Bulldogges are Working Dogs not look like Big English Bulldogs with there tail cut or SCREWED" TAILS

To clarify the above, the Olde English Bulldogge has been recognized by the Canine Developmental Health & Performance Registry (CDHPR), which is a new foundation stock service for the United Kennel Club (UKC) for new and existing rare breeds.

The ONLY registry which will be registering dogs with the CDHPR is the Olde English Bulldogge Kennel Club (OEBKC) which registers dogs exclusively from the Leavitt line of OEB's.

The Hermes line of dogs has an extremely checkered past as far as health and performance, buyers should be very aware when buying a dog identified as such, and realize that it is not from the actual original line of OEB's started by David Leavitt.

The "Winston" line of dogs is non-existent, and the originator of this complaint is the only person to ever mention this line of dogs. He is also a convicted felon for animal neglect and fighting. Extreme caution should be used when dealing with anyone who registers or sells a dog associated with the Olde Red English Bulldogge Association (OREBA).

Buyers Beware. These people here don't have pure breed Olde English Bulldogges, They are Buying Dogs from Leavitt and Hermans Bloodlines and Crossing them with AKC English Bulldogs then Registry as IOEBA. People need to learn the Truth If buying A Dog you have to understand these people are cutting dogs tail beacuse they are coming moron and moron like Big Cross English Bulldogs with "SCREWED" TAILS. The Original Registry For the Olde English Bulldogge are OREBA and LBA these are true pure breed bulldogges.


Also these people are taking Boston Terrier and cross them with AKC English Bulldogs and calling them Olde Boston Bulldogges these also are Registry Mutts. Buyers beware. They are World's Largest Mutt Registry and Most Recognized Cross Breeds Registry of Leavitt Olde English Bulldogge Cross mutts. These Registry don't have the Original Standard by The Original Breeder. The Original Breeders of Olde English Bulldogges are Leavitt, Winston and Hermans these people been around since 1970, and 1950. They have non working Bulldogges or Bulldogs. If you have IOEBA Registry then you have Mutts.

Buyers Beware. These people here don't have pure breed Olde English Bulldogges, They are Buying Dogs from Leavitt and Hermans Bloodlines and Crossing them with AKC English Bulldogs then Registry as IOEBA. People need to learn the Truth If buying A Dog you have to understand these people are cutting dogs tail beacuse they are coming moron and moron like Big Cross English Bulldogs with "SCREWED" TAILS. The Original Registry For the Olde English Bulldogge are OREBA and LBA these are true pure breed bulldogges.


Also these people are taking Boston Terrier and cross them with AKC English Bulldogs and calling them Olde Boston Bulldogges these also are Registry Mutts. Buyers beware. They are World's Largest Mutt Registry and Most Recognized Cross Breeds Registry of Leavitt Olde English Bulldogge Cross mutts. These Registry don't have the Original Standard by The Original Breeder. The Original Breeders of Olde English Bulldogges are Leavitt, Winston and Hermans these people been around since 1970, and 1950. They have non working Bulldogges or Bulldogs. If you have IOEBA Registry then you have Mutts.