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Complaint Review: JC Auto Sales Inc - Belleville Illinois

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  • JC Auto Sales Inc 4201 W Main St Belleville, Illinois U.S.A.

JC Auto Sales Inc If you want to pay 48% down and get your car Repossessed go to JC Auto Sales. Belleville Illinois

*UPDATE Employee: THE KOLB FAMILY CIRCUS

*UPDATE Employee: Angry ex employee

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: JC Auto Sales

*UPDATE Employee: the other side of this story

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I am here posting this ad so I can find anyone that has ever purchased a used car from JC Auto Sales in Belleville Illinois. I purchased a car from them on 2-7-2008. They were asking $7900 for this vehicle and I was able to talk them down to $7300 because they told me that the headlight motor was going out on the drivers side and the power window motor was out on the passenger door. I asked them if I was to purchase this car would the key I would use on the test drive be the only key becuase I was going to get keyless entry and remote start and was going to need another key made if that was the only one. They told me when they got the car, they only received one key. THAT WAS A TOTAL LIE!!! Illegal in the state of Illinois for a dealer to keep a key unless they tell you in advance that they have a key. After I drove it on the test drive ( a total of 6 miles) and put down $3500 on this car, I drove it about 2 miles down the street to put gas in the car becuase they left it on EMPTY to see the Service Engine Soon Light come on. I called the store that I bought the car from the next day and told them all about it. I told them since they have it warrantied that they need to fix it because they never said anything to me about the SES being on. I took it to Autozone, O'Reilly's and Advanced to see what the codes were that was causing the SES to come on. They all said that the EGR valve and the Knock sensors were causing it. A total cost of $400 in parts to repair a car that shouldn't have any mechanical problems according to the manager of the dealership. When I took it to the shop that they sent me to to have it fixed, the owner of the shop told me that he had no clue why I was there and what needed done to the car. They rescheduled another appointment for me a week later to come back stating they would have all the parts to turn off the SES and to replace the gas pedal THAT WAS NOT THERE AT ALL, and to replace the defroster switch that didn't work. They told me to make sure that I had someone follow me cause I was going to have to leave the car there for about 4 hours for them to fix everything all at once. A week later I returned to the "shop", which is in the worst neighborhood in Cahokia, had my husband follow me in his vehicle ( so now I have used 4 trips of gas in 2 different cars). We get there and they tell us that they don't have any parts for the vehicle cause the manager at the dealership I bought it from never ordered them and that I was going to have to talk to him about it. I left with both vehicles (another 2 trips, a total of 3 round trips) and went to the dealership on West Main Street to talk to the manager and see why my parts were not ordered and why my car was not being covered under the warranty? Of Course the manager was not there and noone would give me his phone number to contact him about my car. I asked them to have him call me ASAP. About 30 minutes later the detail guy called me and told me that the manager, Shawn, said that I need to take my car back down to the shop (Mudd Ducks) in Cahokia in 2 days and it will be fixed. I called down to Mudd Ducks the day I was suppose to go there and get my car fixed (I refused to drive there yet again to be turned away) and they still had no clue why I was suppose to come there and they had no parts. Well I made the decision that I was going to take the car to a mechanic that I know will do the work. So I refused to take it there. On Feb. 22, 2008 I had a payment due, (2 weeks after dropping $3500 down on this car) in the amount of $140.43. I couldn't pay that payment because I was working a new job out of the area and I knew I wouldn't get back to town before they closed. I worked that way for 3 weeks. On Saturday March 1, 2008 Shawn decided to call me, but I didn't get to the phone in time, so when I was done getting ready for work I called them to see what they wanted and to tell them I would get in to pay my payment as soon as I got a day off again. Well they didn't answer my phone call. I didn't get a chance to call them again because of work. Well on March 5, 2008 They decided to come to my house, walk up to my car, open the door witha key they "didn't" have and drive out of my driveway with my car without any notice, no legal paperwork, and not even knocking on my door. The only reason I wasn't gone was because it was my day off and I was sleeping still. Thankfully my brother in law was not asleep and He heard my car start. As soon as he told me I call the Belleville Police Department and the St. Clair County Sheriff's Department. The Sheriff's office asked me "What exactly do you want me to do about this? This is a civil matter so what do you want me to do?" The Belleville Police Department told me that my car was repossessed and that I couldn't file a Stolen Vehicle report. I started looking up the laws and see what I could do about this. In the mean time, Shawn was suppose to call me at 2pm and tell me if I could get my car back or not. I didn't hear from him when he said he would call me, so I called him. Now mind you I just threw $3500 3 weeks ago on this car, which is 48% of the total cost of the car. Shawn had the audacity to tell me that "I had to pay the remaining $5055 to get my car back, that he would give me some time to get it back, and if I bought all the parts that we needed for the car he would have someone put the parts on for me after I paid the car off." So I called the Attorney General and A private Attorney to SUE them. If you ever had a problem with this company at all or know anyone that has, please email me and let me know. I need someone else that had a bad experience help me out. Even if you have a loan with them now and your paying on a car but having some of the same troubles.

Kjwaeckerle
Belleville, Illinois
U.S.A.

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#4 UPDATE Employee

THE KOLB FAMILY CIRCUS

AUTHOR: Steve Manka - (USA)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 23, 2010

The Kolbs have always been a family that contributes a lot to the city of Belleville. As far as Drunks and potheads. I know personally that the owner has not had a drink in about 4 years. I am not related to them but do know all of them very well and take offense to the slandering of this fine group of WELL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS OF SOCIETY.  Just a little bit of information, The Kolbs are responsible for about 8,000 local residence getting to work and school over the years. They also contribute to charity and organized sports for young children. Their hours of operation shows how family oriented they are. If they just wanted to make money they would be open as long as the other car lots. If this is a circus than I would buy a ticket any day. Thanks for reading

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AUTHOR: Steve Manka - (USA)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 23, 2010

I will not say any names, but I'm pretty sure this employee was getting fired for stealing. Again I am not positive but do believe this to be the case. They didn't give a name so its hard to tell.

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AUTHOR: tillo - (United States of America)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 30, 2010

Good old JC Auto Sales. I used to work with Shawn and his family. The whole operation is a joke. Has anyone heard of the last name "Kolb"? Thats the crew who runs that circus. They are all a bunch of drunks and pot heads. What the manager of the South Illinois location failed to state was that the owner "Johnny Kolb" is also part owner of Mudd Duck AUTO SALVAGE! If you can put 2 and 2 together you would know the quality of their cars. They buy junk cars and use junkyard parts to TRY to put them together to sell them. KJ Waeckerle, i wish you all the luck in the world but your obviously not too smart buying a car without a gas pedal, but on the other hand it doesnt surprise me that they would put a car out on the lot for sale without a gas pedal. For those of you who dont know how a buy here pay here lot works, its like this. The down payment they ask for is 99% of the time what they payed for the car. This is to cover their own a*s incase you go out and total the car, they are not out any money. Kind of funny they dont ask for proof of insurance before you drive off the lot. The payments you make.....Its all profit for them to go out and buy another junker and the process starts all over again. Its a enterprise! They cant go wrong!

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AUTHOR: Steve Manka - (USA)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 14, 2009

My name is Steve Manka. I manage JC Auto Sales at 518 S. Illinois St. Belleville Il. The report filed is against the 4201 W. Main St. I just want to make this clear for everyone. In no way does this involve me. Both car lots are owned by the same person but ran separately. Knowing what happened on both sides of this story I feel it is my duty to get both of them out there. Normally I wouldn't bother but I have had a few customers of my own bring this to my attention. K.J.Waeckerle bought a 2000 Firebird with 70,000 miles. She purchased this vehicle for $7,300 correction financed. Tax Title & Lic. come out to be $677. She put $3,500 down. Now the $677 comes out of the down payment to pay the state. The rest goes towards the balance of the vehicle. Pretty self explanatory. 

First complaint by K.J.Waeckerle, this one I find humorous. It has to do with the key being the only key. She claims she was lied to about that being the only key. Well it was. We are a dealership, we can have a key made just by using the title. 
Second complaint. She drove the car 2 miles and the check engine light came on. Well I can't say anything about this because I wasn't there, but it does seem kind of weird that it came on then after she drove it and bought it. Besides I tell my customers that they can take there vehicle to have it checked out by their own mechanic before purchasing it. I recommend it after all we are dealing with used cars with higher mileage usually. As far as her going back and forth from home to the shop. I believe this was just bad communication between the shop and the dealership. I can totally see her getting upset with this issue. The egr valve was fixed however by us for no extra charge after this whole incident was taking care of.
Third issue, Her payment was due 02-22-08 in the amount of $140.43 I don't know what you think but that is a cheap cheap payment. She even states she hadn't made her payment in three weeks after her due date. If somebody had something of yours and was 3 weeks late on their first payment what would you do? You can't tell me you couldn't make it. We have a drop box for customers to make their payments after hours plus there is also a mailbox. I would have to say about half of my customers mail their payments to me.
Fourth issue, her vehicle was repossessed. Well who wouldn't be upset. Shawn had tried calling her about 20 times and knocked on her door a number of times with no answer and the car was parked outside. He reposed it about a week later. This I know without a shadow of a doubt is the whole reason this report was filed. 
Last but not least I just wanted to say about two months later the owner of the dealership personally went out and bought a nice Jeep Grand Cherokee and got her approval on it and gave it to her for no extra charge. He just kept her down payment of $3500 that was for the Firebird. I have personally never seen a dealership do this for someone and I have worked for 4 different dealerships. I guess my purpose for writing this rebuttal is fairness. This is a family owned business that is very family oriented. The last thing that we want to do is rip somebody off. I want to make money off of selling a car but I wouldn't make my house payment off of one person. I also wouldn't sell something to someone that I thought was a bad car at least without getting the issue taken care of. We are in a bad time in this country with the economy and all we can't afford to lose any customers by selling junk. So I would challenge anyone that has purchased a car from any other buy here pay here lot to try us out. I know that you will see a huge difference in the way we do business as apposed to the competition. 
Thank you for taking the time to read the other side of this story. Please feel free to call if anyone has any questions about JC Auto Sales Inc. 618-235-5557

Sincerly,
Steve Manka
JC Auto Sales Inc.
Manager  
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