Report: #972441

Complaint Review: Juliens Auctions

  • Submitted: Wed, November 21, 2012
  • Updated: Sat, January 12, 2013
  • Reported By: TeamMichaelJackson — Los Angeles California United States of America
  • Juliens Auctions
    Wiltshire Blvd, Beverley Hills, California
    United States of America

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Michael Jackson Signing Styles in Julien's Tompkins and Bush Sale

On December 2, Julien's Auctions is selling The Collection of Tompkins and Bush. The collection contains 465 lots of Michael Jackson memorabilia, 294 of them autographed by him. Michael Bush and the late Dennis Tompkins were Michael Jackson's
costume designers for 25 years, during Jackson's most successful period. They were the consignors of the signed Thriller jacket that Julien's sold for $1,800,000 in June 2011

At least 250 signatures are forgeries, we have had expert evaluation! see discussion here, multiple samples of Michael Jackson's signatures posted, none match those in Juliens auctions catalog..

there is a very good reason you are not familiar with this "version"  of Michael Jackson's signature. That is because these are NOT Michael Jackson's signatures. [continued below]....
..... They are BLATANT FORGERIES. TO BE CLEAR: These items, publicly advertised in Juliens 2012 Thompkins-Bush Michael Jackson auction catalog are OVERT FORGERIES and are NOT Michael Jacksons genuine signature! 1.) PAGE AFTER PAGE in the Juliens 2012 Bush-Michael Jackson auction catalog of signatures with an awkward, amateurish looking loop on the N in Jackson - the last letter of the last name. NOTE: MICHAEL JACKSON  DID NOT SIGN THE N in HIS LAST NAME JACKSON with this awkward, amateurish loop. 2.) Michael Jackson used 3 different styles of J in Jackson over the years. Single Line J, Line and Swoop J (or Two Swoop), and Single Swoop J.

When MJ used the "two swoop" style J in Jackson, HE did it with STYLE, FLUIDITY, ELEGANCE and GRACE, there are heavy and light strokes and you can tell he produced the signature QUICKLY - just like we all do when signing OUR OWN NAME.

Conversely, ALL! the forged J's in Juliens upcoming 12/2/12 auction are COMPLETELY without FLOW, STYLE and GRACE. They are HEAVY and CLUNKY and AMATEUR looking. THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER DECREPANCIES CLEARLY MANIFESTED IN THE JULIENS AUCTION FORGERIES. They show HESITATION MARKS where the forger slowed up their hand movement to THINK about what to do NEXT. Every persons signature, while retaining its own overall unique  fingerprint, shows slight variations based on day, month, year,  situation, mood, etc.  NOTE: There is NO variation to these fraudulent signatures being advertised for sale by Juliens. CLEARLY,  the signatures were mass produced and NOT done over the years, as is
being represented by Darren Julien and Michael Bush. As someone with an astute eye for detail, I have diligently studied
Michael Jacksons signature and handwriting style for several years. I  have done extensive research through PSA/DNA, PAAS, JSA, Autograph  Magazine and have monitored eBay auctions of both genuine and forged  Michael Jackson signatures, on a regular basis for several years. I KNOW I've seen forgeries by this SAME forger as the Juliens signatures  all over eBay for 2-3 years up until very recently. Interestingly, I can no longer find any active or completed auctions on eBay by this forger.
Notably, the hat on page 184 of Juliens catalog - the forgery on the  Budapest police hat - I KNOW FOR A FACT that I saw a hat JUST LIKE THIS  WITH THE SAME OBVIOUS FORGERY FOR SALE ON EBAY RECENTLY - within the  last 2-3 weeks. THAT TOO HAS BEEN REMOVED from the ebay database.
I MUST TELL YOU that the HUNDREDS of fake signatures being passed off by Juliens Auctions and Michael Bush in their upcoming anticipated  Sell Off of Illegal merchandize are some of the most shamelessly  AMATEUR forgeries of Michael Jacksons signature that I have ever seen. ALL THE TELL TALE SIGNS OF A FORGERY ARE PRESENT ON EACH AND EVERY
ONE OF THESE ITEMS. The massive quantity and obviously POOR QUALITY of  these fake Michael autographs, along with ALL of the involved Persons  brazenness to do this IN THE STARK LIGHT OF DAY.. IS UTTERLY SHOCKING.
[Sentence deleted--Editor.]
PLEASE express your opinion as to not recognizing the Julien's  signature "examples" as those of ANY genuine Michael Jackson signature you have EVER seen to Twitter accounts: @JuliensAuctions @tompkinsandbush @MJonlineteam - AND via email to:

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#1 Consumer Comment

So what came from all of this?

AUTHOR: Follow-Up - ()

seems not much at all.  a few refunds from what I heard but not many.  The auction house is going full tilt with hardly a stumble.  even though megaphone nut Taaj Malik and head loon Wendy Christine accomplished little.  

What became of them?  From what I am hearing Megaphone Nut seems to have nearly vanished with her megaphone and wendy christine got a new gig on an autograph blog as a moderator under the name of wascher.  not bad for a dog breeder from wisconsin whose real name is Wendy Ascher.  Apparently from that position she can give even more soapbox views on her expertise in autographs and assessments of others.  Appears the collectible industry & some blogs are just going to the dogs.  

Guess, they didn't understand that Julian's auction house doesn't care if one has a megaphone and the other now has a delete button.


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#2 REBUTTAL Owner of company


AUTHOR: brando - ()


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#3 Consumer Comment

What does it matter what her name is anyway?

AUTHOR: Rose - (Australia)

Debbie Michael Joe Jacksons REAL name is Debbie Michael Joe Jackson. It is may not like it, but you need to accept it!

Whether she was born with it or had it legally changed for personal reasons, is her business and her business alone... its just a NAME!

I think some people need to remember the saying "if you havent got anything nice to say, dont say anything at all".

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#4 Author of original report

Thank you

AUTHOR: TeamMichaelJackson - (United States of America)

Debbie Michael Joe Jackson is not this womans real name, and she is from New Zealand, not Australia, error corrected, we pride ourselves on reporting true facts,
WE do not break into to lie to sneak into a mausoleum
We respect Michael Jackson, his fans, and other property owners at Forest Lawn. We walk in the spirit and image of Michael, always being true, we bring attention to injustices to his fans, Michael after all protested against sony world wide, he would never stand for this type of fraud perpetuated in his name.

Thank you
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#5 Consumer Comment

Does this make you feel like a BIGGER person?

AUTHOR: Rose - (Australia)

Firstly...... You should not claim to "know" that someone is selling fakes etc unless you have evidence. What you think or want to believe is not always the truth.. If people have been apparently ripped off, what is it too you anyway?? Why do you even care? Are you that jealous it wasnt you that got to purchase it, and its your way of dealing with it?? Im sure if someone was going to spend $500,000 or more on an item, they would check it out first! Honestly, do you have nothing better to do with your time than right stuff like this on the internet?? Its pretty stupid if you ask me and you shouldnt bother!

And this DEBBIE.. well she IS Debbie Jackson. Yep, thats her REAL name!! If you were so accurate with everything you would know that right?? Oh, and she is from Australia?? Did you get that from the same place you were told about Juliens??? Cos shes NOT from Australia, never has been and never will be! So dont assume, make up lies, put down, harrass, abuse or make FALSE comments about her! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT.

Anybody that reads your opinions and thinks they are correct must be as crazy as you are!

Find something better to do with your time, then harrass people who are trying to make a living and make people happy! Who are you to put them down? You must have a sad lonely life........ ;0(
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#6 Consumer Comment

In their own words

AUTHOR: Just Nick - (USA)

The best response comes from how fast they turn on their own expert.  Megaphone nut just a few weeks ago was supporting and even passing out pamphlets outside of Juliens on the "experts" but when someone expresses a good point and it is from one of the "experts" look how fast the master manipulator turns;
Expert; "auction house much like ebay acts as a middleman between the buyer and the seller and would not be guilty of nothing more then trusting and excepting the providence of their consigner.  I think by getting Darren to listen and to except some of the facts he could be a big help in cleaning up this situation. I do not feel all the negative attacks against him can help him in making that decision. "
and was quickly attacked by Megaphone Nut Malik and the loons; but please keep these kind of comments away from us, we have not worked tirelessly for the past four plus weeks...How dare you come here with this kind of suggestion.  If you feel to bail out please do so, but do not, i repeat do not think i will shake hands with the devil!  I AM SO MAD RIGHT NOW!!!   only to be outdone by the  owner of the blog;   "their expert"  have been very brave recently. You've impressed me with your strength, determination, and sense of justice; and you've had to take a lot of flack for it. Don't let Julien's intimidate you. 

So if the "expert" thinks differently on a solution - bad dog.
then we have the blog owner; Please be 100% sure, with clear evidence, before you say something is fake or misrepresented. It hurts our credibility if it's later found to be incorrect.  Cyrkin then commented: Heck, I run the joint and Im not an expert in anything,
Credibility?  100%?"  "devil?" "not an expert in anything?"
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#7 Consumer Comment

Speaking of Loonie Tunes

AUTHOR: Just Nick - (USA)

even down under a loon is a loon is a loon.

Wendy Christine the leader of the loons says, "Absolutely, PSA/DNA have not formally weighed in.

And yet their respected reputation speaks for itself and they came back twice to two separate parties... on 21 quick opinions, with the same "Not Likely Genuine

misguided, misinformed and too blind to see the difference & not worth the explanation as one would suspect  the head loon would be knackered from brain cell drain.    presuming there are any cells.

Hello - head loon;  psa/dna quick opinion is part of PSA/DNA and their "respected opinion"... respected by whom the head loon and all the little loons?  Did you ever find out which "expert" at QO made the call?  Oh, that's right it's a secret but they are a EBAY resource

look up this guide on ebay Loons
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#8 Consumer Comment

top respected, professional autograph authenticators

AUTHOR: Just Nick - (USA)

have all stated items from the Dec. 2nd 2012 Juliens-Bush auction are "NOT LIKELY GENUINE!

respected?  PSA Quick Opinion, PAAS..., megaphone nut jobs....    Come to think of it Megaphone Nut needs help handing out more pamphlets.   Just another wendy loon chiming in.

When you get Bush to admit he signed these items as you keep claiming that will be news.  Even your latest investigative report says "MAY be phony".  Now for those who don't understand what that "may mean" go look it up if you can put down your megaphone.
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#9 Consumer Comment

Julien Auction has INDEED Sold Fraudulent Items for $Millions

AUTHOR: Wendy - (United States of America)

On December 2, 2012 Darren Julien, the owner of Julien's Auction in Beverly Hills, California did indeed sell hundreds of badly, overtly forged Michael Jackson items consigned to him by Michael Lee Bush.  Total profit from this auction was more than $5 MILLION DOLLARS.

PSA/DNA, Roger Epperson, and P.A.A.S - THE top respected, professional autograph authenticators have all stated items from the Dec. 2nd 2012 Juliens-Bush auction are "NOT LIKELY GENUINE".

All of the factual information proving this massive fraud may be located here at Autograph Magazine Live forum discussion:

All of the HUNDREDS of frudulent, forged Michael Jackson signatures in the Julien-Bush 2012 auction are in the SAME awkward, ungraceful, non-flowing and unknown signature style.. a signature style which NO ONE researched and knowledgeable in Michael Jackson's autograph/signature has EVER seen him produce.

ADDITIONALLY: One of the items manifesting this same unknown Michael Jackson "signature" on it is a cardboard standee which the manufacturer of the SAME said standee has verified was manufactured AFTER Michael Jackson's death. 

It is therefore IMPOSSIBLE for Michael Jackson to have signed this item.  And make NO MISTAKE - it has further been verified by the exclusive manufacturer of the standee that there were NO prototypes either MADE or GIVEN to Michael Jackson at any time.

This is a legal matter.  A crime has been committed. 

Innocent, unknowing consumers have been defrauded.  Julien's Auctions has IGNORED consumers repeated emails, phone calls, communications requesting a refund for these fraudulent items sold by Darren Julien - Juliens Auction - Michael Lee Bush.

I would hope the media would investigate and report this blatant, egregious matter - as we have been asking them to do for over a month now.

Finally and most importantly, I truly want the United States legal authorities to PLEASE investigate this criminal act to the tune of $MILLIONS of DOLLARS.
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#10 Consumer Comment

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something

AUTHOR: Maria - (United States of America)

Team Michael Jackson "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something" Winston Churchill

Juliens best interest was to investigate the forgeries prior to auction not after. From what i have read on consumers have been scammed out of $1.8 Million dollars.

Juliens are denying evading consumers their rights. Ignoring emails. And are attempting to muzzle professionals shining light on the forgeries "We just got the take down notice from Julien's Auctions for claims of copyright violations. All of the images they mentioned will probably be
down shortly, but we have everything archived."

The autographs in question are registered trademark to the Estate of Michael Jackson, which is a serious matter if the Estate pursue Juliens and the consignor. 
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#11 Author of original report

Debbie NOT Jackson

AUTHOR: TeamMichaelJackson - (United States of America)

This woman making comments on this post is not "Nick" she is not from
"besonhurst, USA" She is Debbie from Australia. Debbie called 911 when
one of our team members  was demonstrating outside of Julliens
auctions. She called 911 whilst she was INSIDE the building, filed a
FALSE report, citing she
had been threatened with physical violence, Debbie then proceeded to
exit the building, approached our member that was outside, screaming and
harassing them, this was a set up,
she was hoping to be assaulted which was evident by her aggressive
behavior. Everything was being recorded so she can not deny the facts.
Our team member ignored her, walked away many times only to be chased
and confronted by this woman! After 15-20 minutes security yelled over
to her "Debbie you can't do that, you better get inside or you will be
thrown in jail" as
which point Debbie went back inside the building. Once police arrived
our team member filed a report against her, which was followed up by a
visit to the Beverly Hills Police Dept. Police warned Debbie its against
the law to behave as she was doing, Our Team Member remained outside
demonstrating for further 8 hours. Police drove by many times did not
say or do anything. Our TeamMembers were gracious, and conducting
themselves in a dignified manner. We managed to hand out 50 copies of
Expert reports to bidders/winners of this auction, many of them are now
contacting us to help them with a refund.
This delusional woman
Debbie whoever she is better be careful as next time she attempts to
enter into the United States her entry may be refused, we will be
forwarding out full complaint to Immigration and Border Control. As you
can see from the unstable behavior displayed by this woman, She is a complete and
utter NUT! Sorry to the readers who have been distracted by crazies,
yes Michael has many crazy fans, Its so embarrassing to be associates with some of them. Its those that should be called
"WACKO'S" see her for yourself here>> The auctioneer is asking her to wait... But the woman is just outta control!!!!

doubt this  woman will continue to comment on this thread, we
have no control over that, It just shows how unstable she is!! but we
will not be responding any further to her idiotic nonsense, If you want
to see videos of the heffer on YouTube just Google Debbie Michael Joe
Jackson(Which is NOT her real name) and Juliens auctions, grab some
popcorn its great entertainment!! As for us Arguing Facts with morons... It never works.

We hope you read the full reports on Juliens Auctions here before deciding to bid on anything they have to offer
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#12 Consumer Comment

It says they are investigating

AUTHOR: Just Nick - (USA)

most likely to see if they can determine when that exact one was made or when and what date was it acquired.  Where is the outcome?

The only crazy person here is Taaj Malik.  Weren't you the one I saw standing outside with your bullhorn ranting like a nut?  Your vigilante approach to life is what makes you as the indepth article identifies you as - a master manipulator or a nut.   Don't play with smoking guns.  Guns in the hands of nuts can be very dangerous.
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#13 Author of original report

UPDATE!! The smoking gun!!

AUTHOR: TeamMichaelJackson - (United States of America)

Juliens auctions sold one item with the same overt forgeries, This item
was manufactured AFTER Mr Michael Jackson passed away. We have confirmed
this via Bravado Licensed by the Estate to sell Official Michael
Jackson Merchandise. See Bravado email here
Darren Julien is denying he sold this item, see catalog with the item here

Please excuse Crazies attempting to discredit this report, click and read evidence for yourself.
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#14 Consumer Comment

Who is the author of this report?

AUTHOR: Just Nick - (USA)

Just read this and it will give you all you need to know;
Taaj Malik is not only a stalker but a dangerous one at that.

& as far as the link she gives all one has to do is look at the many Reports here
about Steve Cyrkin who has currently been served a take down notice for copyright
infringement.   Does this statement from Steve Cyrkin sound like a balanced person, "We don't want to harm anyone except members of the forgery industry (producers, sellers, authenticators), who we are going to annihilate. We don't intend to annihilate them...we are going to annihilate them. Every one is a dead man walking."   Watch out all you EBAY sellers who sell an item not realizing it's not authentic you may have Cyrkin waiting for you outside your door with a semi-automatic.
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