KC Motors Inc tottally screwed my first time buying a car broke down on the way home on the side of a bridge Everett, Washington

I sold this Honda to this guy it was a private sale and KC motors was were the car was stored as I was friends with them.

I bought a 1971 Winnebago on line from England via eBay that was from a guy who had the yard behind KC motors, when i got to the USA i ended up living on the yard in the winnabago and i bought the Honda to use for getting about.

I ended up selling the Winnebago on craigs list after living in it for a month and buying a 2001 Dogde intrepid 3.2 v6 off KC motors and i drove to Miami 3600 miles accross Montana way.

I serviced the Honda fitted new parts and tyres and left on the KC motors lot and put it for sale on craigs list. it was a great runner for me and never gave me no problems! i was actully going to drive the Honda down to Miami untill i bought the dogde.

After arriving in Miami I got a call off this guy wanting this car, i explianed to him i was in Miami and told him the car was at KC motors and the guys had the keys and paper work ect.......

i phoned my friend at KC motors the guy went and bought the car which was sold as seen, the guys at KC motors put the $500 into my bank account.

then i got a call off this guy telling me the car had broke down, the car was cheap and sold as seen i was in Miami there was nothing i could do, i wasent going to wire him the money back, he test drove the car before buying it and it was sold as seen.

The title he got must of just been a mix up with the title i had for my winnebago as when i sold it the guys at KC motors helped me out with all the paperwork as i am from the UK i dont know how it works.

There was nothing roung done hear apart from a mix up with paperwork aparently that i have just found out, the guy who bought the Honda knows it was a private sale from craigs list and the sale had nothing to do with KC motors really apart from being my middle men in this sale.

KC MOTORS WERE GREAT TO ME AND THE CAR I BOUGHT FROM THEM WAS ONE OF THE BEST I HAVE EVER BOUGHT!

To the guy who bought the car again I am sorry you broke down but i drove it for several werks before you bought it and it was fine for me? you can chq my road trip to Miami out on you tube my user name is "cartelow" and chq the Miami video out.

What you may not realize..is the bantering back and forth has nothing to do with the car. It has simply turned into a pissing match...and I can understand how you can think we are two idiots. Honestly I could not care less about the 500 dollar piece of s**t car...if the dude felt he was ripped off and given falsified documents..he should have called the police first thing if the dealer would not fix this...I see no reason to have been attacked because I simply suggested what I would have done to correct this expeditiously.

As far as your response...I guess you feel coming here and calling us idiots...and the victim a moron..has done any good? Tough guy behind a computer screen..what courage you display.

But how can you predict how this would go..the world doesn't work by a "script" that you write on rip off report.

How do you know this dealership is not already being investigated for fraud and other crimes? How do you know if this customer was at the dealership..cell phone in hand..dialing the police...that the salesperson/manager/owner would not immediately offer recourse rather then risk more problems? Maybe there was a witness? My advice was sound.

It can go both ways..I agree with that. I simply explained in my reply what I would have done.. first thing.

Now of course it is too late. Perhaps the OP will update and lets us know of an outcome. Which most likely he is stuck with the piece of s**t car...and a receipt stating he paid less then he actually did.

Here's where we always disagree. You are describing things as they would be in a perfect world. I'm telling the OP what can be done in the real world.

 Again, I invite him to call the police and report back. I guarantee you that the police will tell him that this is a civil matter and they want no part of it.  

 Let's go as far as to pretend we're in your perfect world. The OP calls the police because the dealer fudged the price on the document and they miraculously show up. Now the OP says he bought the car for $500 and the dealer put $200 on the title. The dealer says he sold the car for $200. What happens next?  The dealer will ask the police to escort the OP off the lot and that will be the end of it.  There will be no investigation or court case because the OP has absolutely no evidence to back up his claim.  

 I have unfortunate connections to this slimey industry and have seen all the tricks of the trade. Most of the time, I try to point out to posters how they have been had and how to avoid it in the future. Your pie-in-the-sky advice will only waste their time and cause them more frustration.

If I discovered a phony document after an experience like that, I would go right back to the dealer. If the dealer refused to make it right..I would call the police on the spot.

In case you didn't know.."illegal" means "against the law"...and I was always under the impression that the police were law enforcement..and our first line of defense.

So I may not exactly be a sage leaving this advice..you don't need infinite wisdom to call the police if you have a dispute at a place of business that is falsifying documentation and refuses to make good.

Do I like the idea that the police should be bothered with this? No..but it might settle the matter right quick..or at least provide a report if it ends up in court.

"Apparently this dealer signed over the title for a 1971 Winnebago motor home..but the buyer purchased a Honda Accord. If you don't see a violation here..I don't know what else to say."

   As I read it, the poster originally received a Winnebago title in error, then went back and got the Honda title.

"but i came back and they gave me three peices of paper one was a title/registration certifacate..."

  As for the funny business with the purchase price on the documents, that is not legal.   It's also not something the police would be interested in.   The motor vehicle department might be interested, but this was a cash transaction so the OP has no evidence that he paid more than $200 for the vehicle.    Are you starting to see the futility in your sage advice?  

   I invite the OP to take your advice and call the police, then report back here on the results. 

I have been buying and selling cars for years..in 5 different states..and there are laws being broken here..perhaps federal..or a major mistake.

The poster took possession of a vehicle..whether as-is or not...requires a title. A licensed dealership would know better then to sell a vehicle without a title. Apparently this dealer signed over the title for a 1971 Winnebago motor home..but the buyer purchased a Honda Accord.

If you don't see a violation here..I don't know what else to say.

It one thing to sell someone a piece of s**t "as-is"..the "as-is" "generally" will protect the seller..assuming no written guaranties or warranties are involved..but that doesn't mean any seller can forge documentation, give a receipt for a lower price then paid (more fraud)...or sign over titles to a different vehicle then was sold.

I am an experienced buyer..so I would have known to check the title before purchase..I would have ran the number to check for past accidents..liens, actual mileage etc... this buyer apparently noticed the wrong documentation after driving off...not a smart move on the buyers part for sure. Either way if this happened to me I certainly would call the police..but only after I called the dealer first to see if this can be straightened out.

Judging by this report..there is trickery and tom foolery going on with the documentation..and if this is the case...the buyer does have recourse. If the dealer will not cooperate..then legal action can and must be the next step.

   Call the police?   They do not get involved in civil disputes, which is exactly what this is. 

   The OP will most likely strike out in small claims as well.  Given that the seller appears to be a dealer, they no doubt had him sign the "as is" paperwork.  The only out is if the ad in Craigslist implied a level of fitness.  Such as, "this car is perfect except for the starter".    Even then it requires a sympathetic judge.   I have a feeling that this dealer has sold junk cars before and probably avoided making warranties of fitness in the ad.

   The OP is likely stuck with his $500 junk car (who expects to buy a good running car for $500 these days?).    If you buy a car "as is" without getting it checked out, you're stuck with whatever problems it has once you drive away.  

   Because of the "as is" paper that is part of every used car transaction, it is up to the buyer to verify that the vehicle is in an acceptable condition BEFORE the purchase.   Lemons are only sold to those who don't bother to protect themselves.   Anyone who takes the word of a used car salesman for anything is just asking to be fleeced.  

If it is a private seller you may have to take a bath. If this is an actual business you have plenty of recourse. Now you weren't to swift in signing anything..especially a title without reading it..but regardless...this is fraud...and probably a half a dozen other violations at least off the top of my head.

I would call the police actually first....then get to small claims court. Report this place to as many agencies as you can think of also.