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Complaint Review: Littledale Hall Therapeutic Community lhtc brainwashing Lying Lancaster Lancashire rehab rehabilitation treatment about failure Sue Robinson Keith Robertson con lie bad contact - lancaster Select State/Province

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I have copied the post from the other report to save time, I feel the more exposure this place gets the safer people will be.





I would like to start by saying I believe therapy and rehabilitation is a good thing and that the concept behind Littledale hall is good.

However I have a major issue with Littledales treatment of relationships. This is a snippet from their website.

"Family and friends may play a vital role in the recovery process. Given this residents are encouraged (when possible and appropriate) to attempt to rebuild or develop positive relationships with family and friends"

It must be pointed out that our relationship was never an issue. All our arguments occurred only when my partner was drunk. 

Littledale told my partner to end our relationship and end communications with me the moment that she entered the place. How was this rebuilding our relationship?
When she refused they allowed a compromise that she could only communicate via letter.
I found out that this alone was a complete breach of social care rules.

When I received letters from her they were dated 3 weeks late and were franked on the same day. By this I mean I received 3 letters in one go all franked on the same day yet dated 3 weeks earlier. It was clear that they had been withholding the mail my partner had sent.
Mail that I sent to her was being kept until someone was able to read it to her by Sue Robinson her key worker.

So lets talk about Sue Robinson 
Mrs S Robinson. Dip Counselling. BA Hons TOPPS. Over 7 Years experience of working as a counsellor in a Therapeutic Community. CENTRA Groupwork Cert. DANOS Level 3 Health & Social Care (TBC Jan 2008)

This person seem well qualified but when my partner posed questions to me her answers were simply not helpful. I asked her opinion on a number of occasions especially when i had letter clearly stating my partners unrest. 
She was quick to make suggestions that would make my partner stay in rehab, but none that would alleviate her discontent. In hindsight I should have never trusted her as this is a business not a family like they claim.
It is my opinion and I can prove Sue Robinson breached protocol and aided in the breakdown of my relationship.

1) she failed to relay on vital information that would stop my partner getting stressed. 
2) she disallowed dialogue between me and my partner.
3) she failed to pass on key information to my partner.
4) she convinced me not do thing my partner had requested
5) She interfered in our relationship.
6) she put phone down on me when I requested to speak to Keith Robertson the director. The phone wasnt even answered by her.

Now lets talk about Mr Keith A Robertson
Registered Manager . CCETSW, CSC, IMS, DMS, Cert Ed 1. Advanced Cert Substance misuse. GCT Cert Group Therapy. Over 17 Years experience of working in the substance misuse field. 14 years experience of Managing Therapeutic Communities.

After reading his qualifications I trusted his judgement. His promise to arrange an interview after three months was broken and he had not kept his word. The communications still remained blocked.

I requested to see my partner on her birthday, Eid and My birthday yet all were denied. She wasn't even allowed to call me.

Up until a week ago my letters from my partner were full of questions that I had been advised to ignore and not respond to but consistently they ended with love, missing you, and xxxx.

I then received a disturbing letter telling how emotional and erratic she was feeling (confirmed by a family member)
I called in to Littledale and was shocked to be told this was not the case that she was happy and fine. 
I asked about why she was home sick and i was told to ignore her and just talk about stuff that was not going to make her feel bad. I did just that.

A week later I received a dear John letter. 
when i called in i was completely shunned by the staff and told if i rang again I would be arrested for harassment.

I contacted Keith Robertson who at first seemed to be helpful but then also shunned my calls.

I have received an anonymous call, from Lancaster telling me that my partner is being lied to, by staff and manipulated into a wrong state of mind. They have got involved into our personal lives and made wrong suggestions that over step the line. 

My advise is not to use this rehabilitation facility as it is looking after the Business as oppose to the Patient.







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  2 days ago by   shell2009  +2 Votes







Hi There, 

I really feel for you chuck, but you stick in there. I am an ex-patient of LDHC Littledale hall left in 2009 and I had them batter my brain for ages making me think all sorts. They kept on about moving on with my life and making changes. kept on telling me I was a confident woman and need to take charge. They wont admit they push you but they do. I ended my relationship with my guy. It nearly destroyed him. I thought it were for the best and that i needed a fresh start. the make it sound so wonderful and you believe everything is rosy. Then you get reality check and they disappear.She will regret it like I did. When I came out and the funding stopped the care stopped and I was ignored. I felt suicidal and I only made one call he came back to me I was lucky If you love her then keep it up. Do not stop writing to her they have to give them to her. 

How long she been in there for?
No point in speaking to staff. Nardone is nice and helpful and this isn't aimed at everyone but the whole programme is a money making scam. They want you to stay for as long as possible.I missed my boyfriend in the first few weeks and the wouldn't let me see him. Eventually they tuned me out and every time I felt down about him they distracted me. If she does love you she will get in touch when she gets out. I hate Little-dale hall. I came out even worse than when i went in. Karl helped me kick the problems I had not Little-dale. And i know 2 other girls from there who will tell you exactly the same thing. It is meant to be a place to rebuild your life but they don't care about people they don't get paid for.

I hope you will be ok pal bear with it and just stick by your girl.

Karl and Shelly










  2 days ago by   Unhappy family  +1 Votes







Thank you for your comments. 

Shelly who was your treatment key worker. My partners is Sue Robinson. The reason i ask is the the "confident woman" thing that you said is always said by her and was in my last letter from my partner. It seems like you were treated by same person. 

Karl, how did you cope and what were they like with you?

If you dont mind me asking did you use any thing and what reason did they give?

Shelly how long were you in for?

Did you get to see him at all?










  1 days ago by   ex-patient 2010  +1 Votes







I HATE LITTLEDALE.

I just left there. I feel I have wasted my time. Its not right and its not clever. I watched them pressure people into following the regime and the think its rehab and as a peer I did it to. They pretend its all good and the analysing my relationship. Its twaddle shite. I can say my fella was proper mustard. He didnt do anything wrong to me and by the time the finished i though everything was his fault. The said may be its time to move on and start afresh. They wont tell you to do it they just suggest a course of action. my mind was not right and i can see that now. I sent a letter they helped me draft and I also get told to say I am a confident woman. 
If you are positive that you have done nothing violent towards your partner or anything destructive, I would keep writing. 
My letters stopped and my head went to bits. They said I needed to stay on for another three months but i was refused funding. Littledale discarded me like trash. I no longer got support or help from them and the whole balloon that they created crashed. I found myself in the real world and the thing they taught me meant nothing. They worked in the ideal community in Littledale but outside it became a problem. 
I started looking for negativity where there was none. I walked pass my ex boyfriend and cracked up I tried to ring for support and ignored.
I have got back with my boyfriend and have been happy for the last three months. He helped me overcome my issues because I trusted him.
I advise you get your girlfriend out of there as soon as possible. I have gone through the exact same thing. They may tell you that they are looking after your partners interest but they are only looking out for themselves.
Did Littledale help me? No they made things worse. When I came out I was alienated by my mother, father and brother. My boyfriend got trolled because they indirectly told me to. He was knocked for six.
I watched them do this to a number of people yet i kept my mouth shut because i never wanted to be kicked out. 

STAY AWAY FROM LITTLEDALE HALL REHAB> IT IS JUST A HOLIDAY CAMP>










  1 days ago by   shell2009  +1 Votes







Yes it was Sue. she seemed really nice but is one manipulative human being. I promise that on Karls life you should not give up. She made out that she was all nicey nicey but she was horrid to my guy. She used to read my letters and add her own spin on them whilst she was reading them made me see other things in them that weren't there. I was in there for 5 1/2 months. I never got to see him an when i asked they would side track the issuie
I agree that you should get her out. 
Going off experience she is best off out and live life properly.










  1 days ago by   peer-2010  0 Votes







I have seen this s**t first hand. The guys in that place are sheep. When they leave they are getting slaughtered. I kept in touch with 5 other members and they are all back on it. I have to but i have opted for a home detox and rehab. 
The place is a great place to relax and do nothing. They keep you busy running the place so they don't have to. I thought I had achieved some thing in there but I got out and they said i was ready to reintegrate with society.
Never really spoke to Keith. Is that Graham still there? He is a pervert you should hear his comments about what he gets offered by female patients. I think he loved hanging with the girls for his own gratification.
Its a really bad idea going to Littledale. I am glad someone finally had the balls to speak out. If I knew how to I would make a website and tell everyone about my experience there. 
I never had Sue as a key worker but I heard she was two faced. 
If you want to quit do it at home because that real life, Not this fake bulls**t environment that they put you into. I came out and was hit hard. I had no safety net and had lost all my friends. some of which were really great mates. 
I don't know why the first person has sat back. If you love her go in and get her before the fully brainwash her. Yes brainwash mate that all it is. The letter thing is true to pal. they keep your letters and don't send them until they feel like it. it causes loads of stress ad then you head is all over the place. My noggin was trumped up mate. If i hadn't kept ties with my bro I would have killed myself when I got out. You need to get hold of a few more of us and get that place shut down. They want you to keep in there for three month periods. I am sorry to tell you this but you girl will probably think she is doing the right thing. My mate dawn dumped her fella while in rehab and he topped himself but didn't die. They call it treatment it Brainwashing.
I am going to try and find some of the other lads and get them here too. Stay strong for her lad.










  1 days ago by   Unhappy family  0 Votes







Thanks for that.
I intend to hold tight because I don't want to interfere in her treatment but with what you lot have said so far it seem Littledale hall is not what it makes out.
Is there a way i can find out it success rate. I think i might get a news paper involved to see if t he can high light it. They may be able to shed light on the success rate.










  1 days ago by   shell2009  0 Votes







Are you mad? Longer you leave her in there the more damage it will cause. They made me fall out with everyone to. Then when I told Sue she said that the choice was mine to make and with choices there are always consequences. Your partner will be nurtured into forgetting about you in there. They will make her feel like she made a choice and she should stick by it. When she finally realises the mistake she has made (I dont know what your circumstances are) she will go in at the deep end and you will need to be there for her. Its easy for her now. Sue is very very good at making you think you are doing really well. This is fake confidence. The goals they set are easily achievable in there and are set to fall in line with the day your funding is reviewed. I can tell you right now that she has probably been in three months. Or that she has been feeling really homesick. Getting you out of the picture gives her nothing to go back to. 
Karl has just told me to say you may be feeling like doing something but dont, you will make things worse between you and her. They will goad you into getting mad and angry. If she loves you she will realise.










  1 days ago by   inlittledale  0 Votes







I have been at this place for only a short period of time and I am not happy with the way we go about things. I am not allowed to give details as the will figure out who I am. You are not wrong about the way this place works. They make you dependent on your stay here and their support and I have questioned an number of things about the way they push the residents. I have been told that you have to do it to get the numbers right and that in the end its a job and a business. I have seen one of the girls there end her relationship and I could clearly see that she doesn't want to do it. they have made her feel that if she takes back her decision then she is not ready to move on.People here feel like they just want to finish and go home and they put hurdles in front of them. I hate this place and I work here. I cannot mention her name but I think you must be her boyfriend because this has just happened. One of the other students has rang her boy friend up and told him the truth. I feel ashamed and if it does come to it I would give a statement if I can do it anonymously my career depends on my placement here. The statement about Graham has been voiced as a concern already. The place is run like a residential care home for old people not a rehab centre. The people are being taught to conform and nothing more. I am not lying about knowing your girlfriend, she has a dog right!! She was feeling bad and was really horrid a few week ago because of what she thought she had to do. Ask her before you get told you cant contact anymore. 
If I lose my placement I would like it noted that it was because of my discontent at the treatment of residents in the establishment of Littledale and that I have made my concerns clear. I did so for the safety of the residence and that my record at Littledale has been exemplary up until now. If this changes it will be due my posting this message and this reason alone. I feel it is my job to protect people in my care.










  1 days ago by   Unhappy family  0 Votes







I am sorry please could you give me more details. Yes my partner has a dog which they are now looking after for her. I received a letter from her feeling homesick and she said she was erratic. I know it is your career but this is my life and i am really worried about her state of mind. They are saying she is making her own choices and knows what she wants. I received an email from Keith saying that he spoke to her and that she was adamant about her decision. 
They have put me in a catch 22 if I dont abide by her wishes then I am in the wrong. If i do then I risk letting her down. 
Everyone who is reading this is advising me to go get her.
I think if I do and I am wrong then then what happens.










  1 days ago by   inlittledale  0 Votes







Sorry, I feel really bad but I cant help you. I spoke to the one who rang you and she flipped out. She was trying to do you a favour and now could lose her placement and mine. She said ask her mum and she clearly knows where her daughters head is at. Or ask the bold chap. If you go there Your girl will know who I am. My mate thinks she is sound and a really good laugh. She really missed you.

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My Experience

AUTHOR: gratefulcontent - (USA)

POSTED: Tuesday, October 04, 2016

Having read all the comments i would like to give my experience of Littledale Hall

I went in broken, addicted and totally dysfunctional and not long for this world. During my time there i was able to come to terms with my upbringing and learn about my addiction and the reasons why my life was so dysfunctional. I learned an incredible amount about myself, hard as that was at times, and learned so many better ways to cope and live my life. I left almost exactly five years ago and I relocated in Lancaster for a couple of years while i found my feet, which was a sensible thing to do. It wasn't easy, and i often struggled but things slowly came together. I eventually moved back to my home town. Having had nothing on my CV, no experience, through starting in various voluntary jobs I've worked hard and am now a manager in the the Security Industry. I now have a great relationship with my family and daughter. I see a lot of my old friends but I use my common sense and I'm careful who i spend my time with. I have a good functioning life, one i wouldn't of dreamed of years ago and have confidence and purpose. I still see some great friends i made in the hall and I'm grateful to the staff for helping me build this new life. I would have ended up dead without going to Littledale. This was my personal experience.

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Please be aware of personal grievences being aired

AUTHOR: genuinepost - (United States of America)

POSTED: Monday, October 25, 2010

I am an ex-resident at Littledale Hall Therapeutic Community and would like to provide the following response to the below accusations:

First and foremost I would question the authenticity of each of the persons posting comments below and would challenge each of them to provide details of their time at LHTC. I believe this is an impossibility as all of the below accounts have been created by one individual wishing to air grievances against the staff at Littledale. The fact that all posts were created within hours of each other and use language that does not fit within a treatment setting is evidence of their falsehoods. I could list a multitude of contradictions and impossibilities in all of the posts detailed in this report however feel that my time is better spent reviewing my experiences of LHTC.

The strongest evidence of falsehoods are the accounts of people claiming to be ex residents. My experience of Littledale Hall is so far removed from these deluded accounts (created by one calculated individual) that I know in absolute certainty that they are false. The staff are caring, commited individuals who - above all else - allow each resident to make their own life choices. They support and guide the people in their care and have the utmost respect for families and rebuilding relationships.

I have personal experience of their genuine, open and honest approach and have witnessed countless other people being supported in changing their lives and achieving long held ambitions.

Often, as was the case for me, it is the difficulties of family and partner relationships that can have the biggest impact on the recovery process. LHTC provides a structured, open and informed service that explains the theories and models that underpin it's treatment programme and includes residents families in each step of this.

All people in treatment also have a funder who assesses their progress and is completely external to LHTC. It is these people, the funders, who offer official judgment on the centre and ensure it is providing an adequate service. They (the funders) give their clients the choice of rehabilitation centre to attend and only refer to services that meet strict standards set by national governing bodies in social care. As was the case for me, the funder attends the centre regularly to meet with their clients and check in on their progress.

It is the client who will be absolutely honest about their experiences in the centre and would report these to the funder. They would not, in any circumstance, feel the need to use comsumer choice websites that are unregulated and completely unrelated to the field of social care provision to report a complaint about their treatment. Firstly, it would have no bearing on their time in treatment anyway and secondly they have constant access to the official process and can ask to be switched service or go home at any time of their choosing.

I did not need to make any complaints against the staff at LHTC because they are selfless, commited, honest people who care very much for the people who choose to enter into their care.

I would be completely outraged at the false accusations being levied against them below if it weren't for the fact that they are so obviously a creation of one deluded and calculated individual who is unable to accept the truth of his own situation.

If by chance any potential service users have stumbled upon this site from a search engine I would urge you to do your own, independent research into Littledale Hall as a treatment centre. Look into recent inspections, review their involvement in various local and national initiatives and above all else speak to your local CDT or CAT for advice.

My life has been changed unrecognisably by the positive influences and support of LHTC. I trust and value the friendship of each staff member and would have no hesitation in recommending their help to my nearest and dearest should the need ever arise.

It is an amazing place with so much to offer those struggling with dependency and I have first hand knowledge of this. I have seen mums and children reunited, brothers and sisters reconciled after many years and worried parents finally given peace following many years of heartache and chaos.

This is Littledale, not the twisted propaganda listed below. But don't take my word for it, ask around, look at official records - please be aware of un-regulated sites such as this and always question the motives of individuals using them. I felt it necessary to post a response in light of the one sided nature of this report but I do not intend to influence the minds of those that choose to read it - only to provide my account of LHTC. For me that is enough.

 

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