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Complaint Review: Microsoft Corporation - MSN, Microsoft Online - Redmond Washington

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  • Microsoft Corporation - MSN, Microsoft Online One Microsoft Way Redmond, Washington U.S.A.

Microsoft Corporation, MSN, Microsoft Online Unauthorized Billing 9 charges to CHECKING account X 3months; 10th fraudulent charge to CREDIT card X 14months. Redmond Washington

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In June 2002, I temporarily relocated to Arizona. I was a long-time Prodigy subscriber, but its inavailability prompted me to request the advertised Free Trial of MSN internet access. I considered it unlikely that I would later commit to this service as I was already paying for Prodigy and required retention of my widely known Prodigy email address. I also considered MSN internet access far too expensive

Several months later, I noticed that MSN's Free Trial access stopped working, which I anticipated

In June 2003, I ordered (what I thought was) my ONE and ONLY internet service account from MSN, to use with my home PC .

On 9/26/03 I learned that, for THREE (3) CONSECUTIVE MONTHS, MSN had debited my (low balance) bank checking account for NINE (9) UNAUTHORIZED internet service accounts.

9n 9/26/03 and again on 10/3/03, I called MSN Customer Service-Billing. During those two calls I was solicitously reassured that the errors would be corrected immediately and all 27 erroneous debits, totaling $592.65 , would be reversed as credits to my checking account.

In addition, Billing Rep 2 promised that if I faxed bank proof, MSN would reimburse me for the NSF charges I incurred when MSN drained my checking account to larger and larger negative numbers. I faxed those bank statements within the same hour.

below, I describe in detail, an ELEVENTH (11th) internet access account for which, without my consent or knowledge of the account's existence, MSN has withdrawn $21.95 every month, beginning at least as early as October 2002, from an absolutely private, unavailable (even to me) DiscoverCard account in my name.

On 10/7/03, I received a call from a woman representing MSN billing (Billing Rep 3), on a day when I was home with flu symptoms, including a fever. This woman (who did not identify herself but your records can do so) treated me with deliberate harassment and antagonism and repeatedly tried to provoke me into arguments by disputing the 27 erroneous debits to my bank account. In short, the discussion was a nightmare. Early in the conversation I advised her I was not well that day and that I wanted to discuss matters the next day, but she was relentless in her appalling conduct and would not accede to this basic request. She clearly did not care that I was the customer and that I was aggrieved by the horrific overbilling errors by MSN. She concluded her malevolence with the incredible pronouncement that I WOULD NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING CLOSE TO A FULL REFUND. I never understood her reasoning, but THERE COULD NOT BE ANY EXCUSE FOR NOT RETURNING MY MONEY, TAKEN WITHOUT MY CONSENT FROM MY BANK ACCOUNT.

The 11TH Account -- Unauthorized DiscoverCard Debits
Billing Rep 3 advised me that, incredibly, MSN was also charging me for an ELEVENTH (11th) internet access account by debiting my Discover credit account for $21.95 during every month since October 2002. I can hardly describe my shock when I learned that high monthly charges were accumulating on my credit account without my consent, for a service I did not want, need or use--and at a time when I could least afford this dollar loss. Billing Rep 3 conceded that MSN account activity records showed a long period of inactivity to date on this account.

Billing Rep 3 claims that the Free Trial offer "automatically converted" to a permanent account at the expiration of the Free Trial period. Perhaps this is how MSN WANTED its Free Trial set-up program to have performed, but THIS IS NOT HOW IT IN FACT PERFORMED when I signed up. Nothing in the setup dialog even remotely suggested that the Free Trial internet access would continue indefinitely at my expense. Obviously, the cost issue would have received my attention if it had been present, in which case, I would never have considered accepting the Free Trial offer.

Regardless of the automatic conversion issue, I never created a contractual relationship with MSN because, as I recall, I never disclosed my discover account number to MSN; however, MSN somehow obtained it and commenced monthly charges, without my knowledge or consent. In fact, I distinctly remember, after completing the Free Trial registration, that I was so pleased that a credit card number was not required and that my inaction would default to ISP discontinuation. I shared this experience with friends who I thought might appreciate the same type of Free Trial."

As MSN must be aware, within basic contract law, particularly with consumer contracts, it is axiomatic that contracts are construed against the drafter. This is particularly applicable here, because MSN has 100% control and possession of the evidence of my online [instead of printed/hard copy] Free Trial registration.
MSN's billing system is, at best, seriously flawed; at worst, fraudulent. I have not spent enough research time to determine whether a Class Action is the optimal solution.
Apart from my memory, other facts demonstrate that I simply would not have provided my Discover account number to MSN under any circumstances. I obtained the Discover account for a single Balance Transferit is never used for purchases or transactions such as MSN fees. The balance always remained extremely close to the credit limit, and, I believed until now, the account was not vulnerable to unauthorized charges such as these. Apparently I was wrong because the balance was not close enough to the limit to prevent MSN from insinuating itself into my bill unnoticed.
I also note that I did not notice fraudulent debits earlier, because of paperless billing, I paid electronically/
and because I never used the card. .

Current Status-11th account--Billing Rep 3 stated that she would take care of terminating the MSN account causing the unauthorized Discover charges. However, neither Billing Rep 3 nor Microsoft Online has made any effort to stop the ongoing misappropriation of funds from my Discover account. Further, MSN has not yet refunded the sums misappropriated from my checking and Discover accounts or reimbursed the NSF fees it caused and promised to pay.

THIS HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE.

Jacqueline
Sedona, Arizona
U.S.A.

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#2 Consumer Comment

Wait Until it happens to you.

AUTHOR: Katina - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, December 06, 2004

I have been having the hardest time getting in touch with the Microsoft Corporation mysef. I recently moved from Indiana to Georgia and called the company to cancel. Well to my pleasant surprise they could give me a 2 month free trial or put my account on hold for 2 months. I thought great. I get moved call the company back up and let them know that I moved. Because I didn't have a major credit card to bill to I couldn't continue my service. I still had a few weeks until such time the agreement expired. Not thinking anything of it until I get an overdraft notice from the bank I no longer used and not authorizing anyone to use my card. I explained that extensively to Microsoft on the phone. So now this has become my focus write this person fax this information yadda yadda and so now I am having to stand up for myself. I guess the moral of the story is I thought I was getting a good deal. If I had known this in the beginning do you really think I would have done this! And I am forced to rely on the BBB well we will see.

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AUTHOR: Rich - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, July 02, 2004

This response is strictly my personal opinion.

First of all, let me start by saying that I don't believe that MSN has ever offered a "free trial" without requesting credit card, debit card or checking account information. Even if it is just to determine identity and age of consent. (12 year olds cannot have internet access accounts.) Nor have I ever seen a "free trial" given by anyone that did not come with a "cancel or continue at $???? rate" clause clearly stated. Since you clearly show that you do not review your credit card or checking account information, did you perhaps fail to review the terms of the free trial?

Secondly, I would really like some clarification on several points in your related story.

How does "an absolutely private, unavailable (even to me) DiscoverCard account in my name", obtained for "a single Balance Transfer and never used for purchases or transactions such as MSN fees", always remain extremely close to the credit limit?

Even paying electronically, I always check account activity. I would nost definitely keep a close watch on it if it remained that close to the limit. Even if it is just to verify my last payment date and amount.

Why have you not disputed the charges with Discover? Why have you not changed your Discover Card account number? That would most certaily get MSN's accounting department's attention. They surely would not relish the idea of a chargeback fee of say $25 x 10 charges.

It seems by your writing that they also have either a Debit Card or Checking Account number. ("27 erroneous debits to my bank account").
Why did you not dispute these charges with your bank?

NOTE: Any electronic charge can be disputed.

Good luck with this. Just be aware that 6 months after the charge first appears, 60 days in the case of your bank, you will have no chargeback ability in this matter. Guess it's already too late for that though. You should check your state's law regarding civil suit. Usually one year from the date of incident is all you have to take action.

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