Munchkinland Chihuahuas Debra Bourassa Debra Drury Munchkinland Chihuahuas Deception and Horrible Customer Service Main Concern Money Manteca, California

Please gets facts before posting, I begged Kathryn not to take the puppy. I begged her to the point she got angry and told me that she had paid for the puppy and SEND IT. WHat more was I to do? Kathryn is a full grown woman, Was I suppose to pretend she was 5 years old and refuse to send the puppy altogether? Hindsite is perfect. Of course if I could go back I would refuse. But I did my part and REVEAL IN HONESTY that the puppy had too much of a growth spurt and I did not want to send the puppy to her. Even after she demanded I do and she called me a scammer???? THEN I asked her to send back for full refund, Kathryn would have never written that report if she hadn't run into Jennifer ! A breeder who has harassed me since,2005.

Kathryn bought a Merle puppy from Jennifer and I'm sure that Kathryn wrote the report to please ajennifer and probably got a good discount on that Merle puppy. Kathryn posted a picture of the Merle and that puppy was on Jennifer's SOLD puppy page. Also Kathryn's pride for her puppy was approx $1700 plus $350 shipping. Sure she didn't get what she wanted, but whose fault is that? I tried my best to have her choose another more appropriate puppy. Even after she demanded I ship and complained ( duhhh of course puppy was too big, like I didn't warn her!) I asked her to send back for a full refund. Kathryn said to give her the refund FIRST and then she would send the puppy back. nope, I fell for that scam in 2006 and won't let that happen again.

So Joanie writes a report because is she angry Debra refused service! She says she ALMOST bought from Debra as if Joanie had the choice?? That sentence of Joanie's,misleads the reader to think she had choice in the matter! Debra refused to sell to Joanie. One morning sJOANIE hollberg called to arrange to buy a puppy and she informed Debra that she had read ripoff reports and in order for her to buy a puppy she made a list of rules for Debra to comply with. Haha. Joanie was corrected that purchasing is a TWO WAY STREET and any Breeder was not obligated by law to sell a puppy to her. Joanie was told her that if she Had already judged then WHY would she consider to buy a puppy? Joanie was asked why she didn't ask for the other side and why she condemned using one side . Joanie was told that Breeders like to have a good relationship with buyers and , Why would A Breeder, sell a puppy to anyone who judged and condemned? Debra then told Joanie she would not sell a puppy to Joanie. Then Joanie had a temper tantrum Racing here to filed a huge report? Based on what? ??? WHY didn't Joanie Hollberg write a report complaining About being refused sale? Haha why can't she just tell the simple truth?? Instead what kind of report did she make? Where did she get the information? What is her report for? Her intentions? All because Debra decided not to sell to her? This is how Joanie,reacts when she doesn't get her way? WHich person's character should be looked at here?

  In Kathryn's defense, I believe she IS very well entitled to the exact puppy she paid for! Her demanding the dog she paid $3,000 for is not ridiculous. The fact that YOU are saying it is unreasonable that she demands the puppy she bought and paid for only goes to show your biased nature. It also tells me I'd never want to but a puppy from either of you, because your word and honor means NOTHING!! If someone buys a puppy for thousands of dollars, they darn well better get the puppy they paid for, not some replacement because the breeder decides she wants to keep it. Give me a break. I don't care about this lie our that lie, but it's obvious to me that both of you have no honor. Not to mention how completely rude and condescending she was to the college girl. It was more than apparent to me (and I'm sure everyone else with a brain and some sense), that she was threatened by the thought if someone coming into her home and finding out the horrid conditions the dogs are kept in. She tried saying she was worried someone would "steal" a dog! Give me a break. She obviously doesn't even have psychology 101 skills and that's really just basic common sense. I don't care what anyone says...

I wouldn't touch this breeder with a thousand foot pole and neither should ANYONE else! Mange, tape worms, round worms and a cheap parvo shot that's not even guaranteed for ten days?!? Horrific. I am simply horrified by what I'm hearing here. NOT just from the buyers, but from the breeder's responses herself. I am a respective buyer and unless I can see where the puppy lives, it's parents and see the contracts and papers with my OWN EYES, it's not happening. There are breeders everywhere and there's NO reason to order a puppy. If it's that important to you, fly there to pick up the puppy yourself. It's not worth getting a dog that has been traumatized by it's early environment and health issues.

 22 year old was refused service so has no puppy buying experience!

 

Joanie can't post her own simple truth in that she went to the breeder to buy a puppy and WAS REFUSED SALE. There is no experience to write about. The parties do not know each other. If you do not know another person then how can you write a large report about their character?? 

 WHAT ARE FACTS?

1. Joanie Holberg called to buy a puppy from Breeder

2. Breeder refused sale

There you have it.Enjd of story, but Joanie got angry that she didnt get a puppy,so not having anything of her own so what does she do? Plagerizes the material of other as if it is her own experience?

TO STEAL AND PASS OFF THE IDEAS OF OTHERS ? Unvalidated lies that Joanie tries to pass off as truths to defame someone she doesn't even know, 

 

How does a person of this kind of character get into Standford? Does she have a relative ther?  Is that Uncle Leo Holberg? Certainly a human so vindictive to go to such lengths to try to destroy another person she doesn't know stealing words of OTHERS because she was not sold a puppy is not a special kind of human being in the least.

I was almost a customer of http://www.chihuahua-teacups.com but fortunately didn't buy a puppy from them. I am a 22 year old Stanford graduate majoring in computer science. I have complied the below report to protect people from making the mistake I almost made.

 

If you want picture proof of the liklihood of the scams discussed at the below links, here it is.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Debra-Bourassa/Manteca-California-95337/Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Debra-Bourassa-Debra-Drury-Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Deception-and-H-939240

 

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Debra-Bourassa/Manteca-California-95337/Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Debra-Bourassa-Debra-Drury-Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Deception-and-H-939240

 

You can view the pictures of the below emails at: 

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0fr2bxuuNuBfnNmcmpmVEE2RzhoMTF2Y3lCcXlKU3c2ZWNwN3FEYXk2YVp3UFQ3clhjZ2c&usp=sharing

 

 

 

Here is a summary of the relevant information:

 

My Email to Her:

Thank you for the video! After some thought I decided that I definitely would like to buy Gizmo!

 

However, I did some research and came across the negative internet posts about you. I have added the links below. I remember that you mentioned this is another breeder slandering you, but as it is all online, there is no way to confirm whose side of the story is true. 

 

I read through the contract and you state:  " I refuse sale to anyone who I perceive  feels distrustful, so please choose either to trust and feel good about me, or find another breeder. Why even attempt to  buy from any breeder you feel you can't trust?" After the online posts, I would normally go to another breeder, but I have fallen for Gizmo and I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt. 

 

As a result of this, I will only buy Gizmo if I can come to your home, meet you and Gizmo, see your breeding operation, and meet Gizmo's parents and some of your other teacup chihuahuas. If everything checks out, I can give you half of the cost of Gizmo in cash upon this visit after signing two paper versions of the contract (one for me and one for you). As you mentioned that you might sell him before my potential visit the weekend after next, I am wondering if I could come this Friday (5/22). Meeting you and Gizmo and seeing for myself the internet posts are not true would calm all my worries. Additionally, if everything checks out, I would be happy to write posts on the below forums providing evidence in your favor and a contact email for potential future customers to confirm I am a real buyer of one of your puppies. 

 

I understand the concern you expressed about strangers in your home and possibly stealing puppies, but I assure you I am trustworthy. I am a Stanford grad and a computer programmer starting work at Apple in October. Here are links to my social media accounts for proof:

 

(removed for privacy, included my facebook, my linked in, and my boyfriend's facebook) 

 

The Worrisome Links:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Debra-Bourassa/Manteca-California-95337/Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Debra-Bourassa-Debra-Drury-Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Deception-and-H-939240

 

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Debra-Bourassa/Manteca-California-95337/Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Debra-Bourassa-Debra-Drury-Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Deception-and-H-939240

 

 

God bless,

Joanie (removed for privacy)

 

 

 

Her Responses (with no responses from me in between):

(1)

Did you read my contract like I mentioned? I do not usually sell to people that feel they need to point out those articles. Do you not think I am well aware of them?

 

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(2)

This is a two way street and your money doesn't mean anything to me

 

You do need to go elsewhere. You should never offend someone that as a precious living

 

Soul you want. Money? That isn't important to me. Good luck finding someone you can trust

 

Maybe do a bit of research on who owns ripoff report, and you should have read my contract to

 

Disclosures. You also spent time on the phone with me and you are unable to form your own

 

Opinions? I sold a puppy for $6000 and they had the courtesy not to being up such

 

Pain and injury to me. Please educate yourself and then develop empathy toward those

 

Who have suffered greatly from cyber terror. You obviously feel I am after your money and

 

You made a grave  mistake. You must be very young and have much yet to learn

 

I have a website page you could have read to which address the online character

 

Assassination. My harasser is a breeder masquerading as buyers and has multiple

 

Felony records. I just sold four puppies in the last two weeks and they all range $3000 area

 

I do not need to be insulted and offended by young people who do not do their

 

Full Research first , but assume, and  then speak  boldly without any thought of harming another

 

person.at the same time you assume , as a breeder I am drooling over your money

 

And you fail to see this is a two way street and how fortunate you are to have one of my babies,

 

Every person that buys from me is well aware of what you speak of, as I mentioned before,

 

They are kind and would not mention such a tragic experience. You should have read

 

My contract and disclosures and my page on website. I am assuming you did not,

 

I have a right to refuse sale.

 

Good luck

 

 

 

 

 

 

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(3)

I am repulsed. I would feel unsafe with your character of condemning and judging.

You can read this we page I created years ago. Like I said you must be just above teenage years as it would not be possible for you to be past the mid twenties. Most of the people

I sell to are in their thirties to seventies. I just recently sold to a sweet young person though in twenties and we just chatted away about the horror I went through online. Plenty of consumers 

Say they buy from me DUE to the criminal cyber abuse I went through. Most all my references mention it and call it nonsense. My contract disclosure REVEALS it NOT hide it

Lol it is so funny that you act like you just " found" or ran into the defamation. WASNT it my contract that REVEALED this defamation to you? It WASNT you finding it yourself. Or unlikely.

I have kids your age 22 and you simply MUST to be this age group , but I still can't excuse you as you need to learn from.consequences. I have filed police reports so the online terror finally came to an end after a decade of five breeders trying to drive me offline. Maybe you will run into one of them as a couple are in Ca and they have changed their websites to hide from the criminal attacks on me. My advice is to Run a criminal background check on them :) See the felonies. LoL

Below is a link, but after seeing your reaction to my honesty and disclosure ( while you act like YOU found the info) that offers strong proof you do nit have the ability to take much out of any information provided to you,

http://www.chihuahua-teacups.com/safe-online-buying.html

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www.chihuahua-teacups.com

How many new sites will she make this year? She says people are supposedly stealing her website name? You buy your domain name (your website) once a year so there is only a possiblity of that once a year not 4 times in a year.

 

Registration Overview

 

Getting a domain name involves registering the name you want with a organization called ICANN through a domain name registrar. For example, if you choose a name like "example.com", you will have to go to a registrar, pay a registration fee that costs around US$10 to US$35 for that name. That will give you the right to that name for a year, and you will have to renew it annuually for (usually) the same amount annum.

 

Credit to the above paragraph goes to thesitewizard.com Under How to register your own domain name. (I did not write this)

Her newest website is www.teacupandtoypuppies.net

She has changed her website address... Her own words saying breeding scammers change their website address once they've sold a bad puppy. And the above rebuttle says I am the author I am not. I dont know why she put my name down but at the top it tells you it is the owner of the company who went down to name calling... again.

 

www.chihuahuas-forsale.com

Online Smear Campaign! Anyone Prefer Animals Over Humans?

A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, beacuase people from a distance can't tell who is who.

First off let me say I bought champions Chihuahuas and champion Sired offspring from Osito, Marquis, Hi- C Chihuahuas, Toyvilles and the list goes on.  Champions are fuller sized so I spent years breeding to bring down size.Depsite have smaller Chihuahuas there can be a puppy born that takes after the fuller sized Champion grand parent in the ancestry. The blood lines are all AKC Champions I bought from BAYARD, BURGANDY,BLUE SKYS DUGGERS, HI-C, JEN-JEANS, KANDEE, DARTAN, DEAS, DESMOND, HURDS , JALWOOD, JIMBOBS, JO-ELS, JOANNA, KLEINS,  MARJAX, MARQUES, O'PAG,  OSITO, MT VIEWS, PALS, PAVS, PANCHE,REGS, PITTORE, REGNIERS, QUACHITAH, ROBBINS, SHARING, SOROKO, STAR BRITE, STOBERS,TOYVILLE,TOYON HILLS, TOY VALLEY, VANDERPOOL, WILLMADOR ,VANNOY.

HER FIRST PUPPY CHOICE- The first puppy Kathryn had chosen had a mild case of demodex which caused the coat to look shabby. At first I thought it was a reaction to a shampoo, but as more time went on it became apparent it could be a mild form of demodex. No sores or any pinkness, just a few thinning areas making the coat look shabby. I would not fly a puppy with a coat looking like that, even though it was mild, it was noticeable and I sent photos to Kathryn so she could see the condition of the coat. I do not understand why she could not see the condition in the photos as I viewed the same photos and I could clearly see it, although mild.

I have OCD and mild conditions may seem worse to me , but I doubt the Vet would have given me a flight certificate for a puppy that had hair loss. I would have been far too embarrassed to send anyone a puppy with thinning areas of hair. I had mentioned to Kathryn the puppy was cute enough to keep, but how those simple statements of mine got twisted into the fabricated story she spun is confusing. The choice to wait or not  for the confition to resolve rested solely with Kathryn. It was Kathryn's choice to not wait. Her report misleads readers to think we forced her to give up the puppy. This is not true. As a matter of fact Kathryn did decide to wait for a week or two but  then decided she did not wish to wait longer.

SECOND PUPPY CHOICE  I actually helped Kathryn to choose a runt of a litter  ( Osito lines, Hi-C lines, Toyville Lines ) so later when the puppy started to grow leaps and bounds it occurred to me that his newborn runted size was likely due to an insufficient placenta while in uteri. Even in human fetuses a condition called SGA can occur due to a small placenta. This can happen with any mammal as well. An experienced breeder knows that newborn runts can catch up if they are not true runts and didn't grow well in the womb due to a poor functioning placenta. I observed a jump in growth where he caught up with his siblings by 8 weeks. I  didn't want to upset Kathryn prematurely  so I monitored his growth for a couple more weeks.

I didnt wish to upset her unless I was certain. I did tell her that her pups charting weight had changed and he was no longer the runt. As the puppy continued to grown  I knew I had to break the news to her that she would need to chose another smaller puppy. I explained to her that the great grand father of the puppy was a 6 lb Champion and the puppy had picked up the genes despite being smaller at birth. I explained to her how a newborn runt can once in a blue moon not be a true runt. I was open, frank and  told her the puppy was not right for her. I asked for her to wait and to choose a suitable puppy. Kathy refused to listen to me. She stated she had rights to the puppy she paid for. So I shipped the puppy to her as she asked. He was 2 lbs at 3 months old.

I have shipped fat 2 lb puppies at 3 months of age  who only gained several more ounces by 1 year old, but this puppy was slender and had a larger sized body and I was very worried about sending her the puppy. I honestly didn't know what to do when Kathy refused to listen to me and refused to wait for another puppy. What would YOU had done? I have never come across anyone that would force me to send them a puppy I advised them not to take. Within a week of receiving the puppy she phoned me shoutin g obscenities and labeling me a scammer. How can someone act like that when previously  told to choose another puppy? How does HER bad choice make ME a scammer? Wouldn't it have been appropriate to admit that I had been right and just agree to send him back?

I was shocked over her reaction and simply asked her to send him back for a refund. Isn't that what any reputable breeder would have done? What else was expected of me? She refused my offer. She contacted me again about a month later complaining and I AGAIN offered her a refund. She refused the refund AGAIN.  I  warned her that if she continued to refuse to send him back while still young, that I would not offer her the refund anymore. I told her she needed to take me up on the offer. When he was a few months short of one year old she said she waqs ready to send him back.

It was unfair for the dog who after so many months loved his mommie. If Kathryn had been nice I would have given her a free puppy and let her keep the oversized son of PipSqueek ( 2 lbs) grandson of Hi C Blue Skies 6 lbs when titled but 8 lbs middle aged. Remember I bought the Champions 4 to 6 lbs to begin my breeding program. I then kept smaller offspring ( brought size down, as Champions are fulled sized ). Kathryn became so cold hearted I couldn't imagine sending another puppy to her, which was why I had offered the refund so many times

She then emailed me days later that she had taken her dog to a  shelter where he was euthanized! I went online to her posts defaming me and saw that she spoke of the puppy being  alive, loved and well. Kathryn should appreciate that I didn't post the cruel email she sent to me threatening to euthanize her puppy due to his weight.  

 I have been Munchkinland since 2005!!! Before that I had ONE other title. THAT TITLE WAS STOLEN BY BREEDERS WHO WERE TERRORIZING ME ONLINE. THEY TOOK MY TITLE AND MADE UP SIMILAR DOMAINS AS MINE, PERHAPS WITH ONE LETTER DIFFERENCE SO THE WEBSITES LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE MINE. THEY USED THOSE WEBSITES TO TRICK PEOPLE TO THINK I OWNED THE SITES. WHEN CONSUMERS WHENT ONTO THOSE SITES THERE WAS ALL KINDS OF DEFAMATION POSTED ON ME BY THOSE BREEDERS.  THEY CREATED IMPOSTER SITES AND EVERY MONTH I HAD TO EMAIL WEBSITE COMPANIES TO NOTIFIY THEM THAT THE WEBSITES WERE NOT MINE BUT WERE PUT UP BY IMPOSTERS WHO WERE TERRORIZING ME ONLINE. THE WEBSITE COMPNAIES WOULD THEN  TAKE DOWN THE IMPOSTER WEBSITES.CYBERBULLIES MAKE UP LIES AND THEN THOSE NOWADAYS WHO READ THOSE OLD FAKE REPORTS JUST CHOOSE TO  BELEIVE THOSE FALSEHOODS  JUST SPREAD THE LIES AROUND. HASNT ANYONE NOTICED THAT YOU CAN WRITE ANYTHING ON THIS SITE? HASNT ANYONE NOTICED THAT IF YOU ARE SORRY YOU WROTE LIES ONE DAY THAT YOU CANT REMOVE YOUR POSTS?

HAS THE POSTERS FORGOTTEN ABOUT OUR CREATOR, OUR GOD JEHOVAH SPEAKS IN THE BIBLE ABOUT BEARING FALSE WITNESS.  LOOK UP THE VERSES IN THE BIBLE ON HOW GOD FEELS ABOUT LIARS. OUR GOD DETESTS LYING AND CLEARLY DETAILS THIS THROUGHOUT HIS BOOK THE BIBLE. SATAN THE DEVIL IS CALLED THE " FATHER OF THE LIE".  PERHAPS SOME HUMANS WRITING ON THIS FORUM NEED TO EITHER RETURN TO THE WAYS OUR GOD ASKS US TO TREAT EASCH OTHER OR TO NEELY  LEARN ABOUT GOD AND HIS MORAL ADVICE FOR US. BUT THEN AGAIN THE BIBLE  ( GODS WORD) CLEARLY STATES THAT IN THE LAST DAYS THE LOVE OF THE GREATER NUMBER WILL COOL OFF AND PEOPLE WILL BE LOVERS OF THEMSELVES, HAUGHTY, SELF ASSUMING..... IF YOU CARE AT ALL ABOUT THE RULES OUR HEAVENLY FATHER HAS MADE FOR MANKIND TO FOLLWW WHICH WAS SHOWN TO US AS AN  EXAMPLE JESUS CHRIST SHOWED US WHILE HE LIVED ON EARTH, THEN  DO NOT ALLOW THESE MALICIOUS POSTERS TO MISLEAD YOU AS THEN YOU TOO ARE A VICTIM OF THEIR LIES.LIES AFFECT MORE THEN THE TARGET OF THE BULLIES. LIES AFFECT CONSUMERS ARE ARE DECEIVED AND MISLEAD.

I WOULD NEVER SCAM ANYONE. ABOUT 12 LB CHIHUAHUAS IS A LIE. THERE ARE A COUPLE FOLKS MADE THAT THEIR CHIHUAHUAS WENT TO 4 OR 5 LBS AND MAYBE THEY ARE EMBARASSED TO POST THE TRUTH BECAUSE THEY WOULD LOOK BAD SO THEY MAKE UP A LARGE FIGURE LIKE 12 LBS?? OR THE POSTS ARE JUST MORE UNTRUTHS TO CAUSE ME HARM.

 I HAVE A CONSCIENCE TOWARD GOD. I HAVE LOST SO MUCH FAITH IN THE GOODNESS OF MANKIND DUE TO INTENSE ONLINE TERROR  AND HORRIBLE LIES MEANT TO RUIN MY CHARACTER .I HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS TO CRUEL HATEFUL TREATMENT. BUT I FEEL IF GOD FEELS THAT THER ARE PEOPLE GOOD ENOUGH TO SAVE THEN WHAT RIGHT DO I HAVE TO LOSE FAITH IN HUMAN BEINGS? IT IS HARD THOUGH AS SO MANY HUMANS ARE SO UNKIND THESE DAYS AND  FREELY WITHOUT ANYT THOUGHT, WILLING TO CAUSE GREAT PAIN TO OTHERS.

 

DEBBIE

I wrote the facts of the hell I dealt with in buying a puppy from Debra... Did what I write damage her reputation? Maybe some because it is horrible things she did. Was that my intent? No I wrote it because I wanted to warn others of the hell they would go through and the deception of paying such a high price for not a tiny chihuahua but a large (and extra large according to other peoples posts) chihuahua. The size chihuahua you could get in the pet store for 500. (or less) but the pet stores puppy would come with one of the series shots or all, microchiped and actual documentation of their shots and worming. Like I said I am not alone in this as you can see others have come forward about their experiences with Debra and her continual deception of the size (among other things) of her dogs. Im glad you had a good experience Pattie but you do not know my experience with Debra you were not there every thing I have said is true so to call me disgusting when I share my experience to try and help others...

 

just wanted to add i too purchased a puppy from debra promised to be 4lbs fully grown. my chihuahua is now a year and are you ready for this...he is 12lbs!!! debra told me this has never happened to her before and it is so rare. guess not after reading the above report. i have a so called "teacup" weighing in off teh charts for a chihuahua! just wanted to add so you all can beware of what you will be getting for your high priced "teacup"

 I just thought I would add a comment.  I adopted a pup from Debra and at the first visit to the doctor, I was advised that her knees were in bad shape - it is a condition in smaller dogs called luxated patellar.  When I let her know, just to let her know that she is breeding pups with this condition and selling them at really high prices, she responded that she (th pup) would grow out of tha. I was floored because this condition only gets worse unless you have the surgery and creates a high degree of arthiritis as they age. You would think Debra would know this but she obviously thinks everyone else is stupid and wouldn't know that.  I let it go, I would think any responsible breeder would want to know that.  I wasn't asking for anything although I could have pursued her legally to get her to pay for at least some of her treatment since this was learned on her first vet visit.

She also told me that my pup would be three pounds - she is now 7 pounds. Debra plays games with people for sure.  She pretends to be an expert but I am not convinced - she is my fourth chihuahua in my life and she really doesn't get it.  Her prices are really high. I did some research and for that price, a person in the market for a champion chi pup that enjoys the show circuit should be paying that price, not someone looking for a companion pup especially when Debra misinforms her customers on many levels.

Firstly I find it disgusting you would write what you did to damage someone's good reputation

I am a munch inland customer and will go back for my next chihuahua puppy.

Deborah is very kind and caring. The puppy we purchased is the most perfect and healthiest dog we've ever had. We met several of her puppies when we picked up ours and they were all well cared for and perfect. You really need to think before you write such untrue trash about someone.

You're disgusting.

I caught his CHANGE IN CHARTING SIZE AND i told Kathryn to WAIT. I wanted Kathryn to WAIT. It was not my choice to ship the puppy to her I advised Kathryn to WAIT for a smaller puppy. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT.

My choice was not to send the puppy because the puppy had changed charting weight and I warned Kathryn about this and asked her to wait. Kathryn didn't listen to me. kathryn demanded i send the puppy. Kathryn attacks me same day she gets the puppy. Even though I had told her to wait and I didn't want to ship him.It was not my choice! What was I to do? Just not send him when she insisted I send him? I warned her he could stop at 4 lbs or could be more the that. I told Kathryn to WAIT. If you read her original letter above, you will see that she was sick of waiting, waiting, waiting..... She didn't listen to me. I knew he would be larger then she wanted and I did not want to send the puppy. Honestly I had no idea shed would be so cruel and malicious or I would have never sent him no matter what she said. It was a case of a puppy charting more and I tried to get Kathryn to wait for another puppy that would be smaller. She insisted I send him so I did. She got the puppy and said I was a Scammer and here is my letter trying to get him back. I never even wanted to send him in the first place. It is my job to monitor charting weights as puppies change charting weights as they grow. Charting weights are based on AGE and puppies grow a week older EVERY WEEK! I have puppies I sold charting 4 lbs at 8 weeks and by 3 month are charting 2- 3 ( so less ) they end up 2 lbs. I see they are charting smaller before they ship and the buyer is okay. But when you find a puppy charting MORE before they ship I always tell customers and give them the option to switch to another puppy as I did with Kathryn. It was my choice for her to wait. After she got the puppy, despite my warnings, she complained. i sent her this email.

Re: Charting Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:39 PM From: "Debra B" To: "Kathryn sitab" <(((REDACTED)))>

sorry he is weighing more then you wanted. Did you want to send him back to me and try for a smaller puppy? You would need to pay shipping here and shipping back of a new puppy. I will give you full credit 2000 and you would just pay shipping as no credit for shipping. Or I can give you 50 percent off another puppy. I place charting weight and it is all a good educated guess. I am accurate 90'percent or more of the time. Can't be accurate 100 percent unless I have a crystal ball. He could just stop fast And not go over 4 . Dad is only 2 1/2 and mom is 4. My pups tend to stop weight by 5 months but genes of distant relatives could cause a puppy to,be larger then parents or smaller then parents.

Deb

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I to am a supossed customer of Debra,I did use the word exceptional ,and I actually did borrow the word from Debra.But that's because I thought it approriate to describe my two little guys,although i'm not quite sure what vocabulary has to do with anything...

I would just like to state that i am a real customer of Debra ,and i am personally very pleased with both my pups from Debra.The first one was so awesome that I had to have another one.But even if my new guy get's up to 20lbs i wouldn't care,I will love him no matter what ,because I to know that nobody can predict the size of a pup 100% of the time!

I really hope you can get your issue resolved, and i would gladly help if I could,I think it's time to just forget about Mikey's size and just go on .You have a small chi now ,that's what you wanted.Your only hurting yourself by all your worrying over the small things,and thats taking away from your true happiness.Everyone deserves to be happy to the fullest,life is just to short to sweat the small stuff.Also Mikey looks like a very beautiful chi , I love his colors and also the flashy merle in the background!! Both are beautiful Dogs,you are very blessed.

IM sorry if i offended anybody,that was not my intention.Only wanted to point out I am a real customer,and not a supossed customer.And I to have a 7 lb Chi and he is still a very small dog. Thanks and good luck to all!!

Rest assured....I do not want to come to your house.  and I have no idea how or why you think having a play date with other dogs has any bearing on wheather or not that makes you a good person.  My response to you originally, was solely to voice my opinion that I had a much different experience than yours.  Since then, I felt it sad how you seem to keep harping on the size of your dog.  To me, and I'm sure whoever reads what you say, that only makes you sound quite shallow. 

And now, I will say further that I don't appriciate you insinuating that Debra and I are the same person.  I have met her only once.  Did it ever cross your mind that maybe it's hightly probable the reason WHY people are using the word "exceptional" in thier letters about their dogs is because they truely believe they are??!!  And for the final record, so that you do not try and twist anything that I say or mean,.....I am a customer who has bought the light-of-my-life puppy from Debra in early 2012, I have only met Debra one (1) time, Debra and I are not communicatig on what I write, and there is not one iota of belief that I have that I have been "scammed" or that Debra is in the business of not seling the highest quality puppies.  EB

EB you sound remarkably like Debra... how odd. Just like her she does not rebuke what I say and makes no try to prove otherwise only claims I am a bad person. I know how I sound like a person who has figured out a scam. I am not stating that it is possible to be 100% accurate... not at all. I am stating that Debra claims to have tiny "compact" puppies and she does not. Debra herself told me of other people who got a 6 lb large dog from her and were very upset (this was before I even got my puppy). I am not the minority. And I do LOVE Mikey no matter if he is big or small. That is not the issue here and you know it you/Debra ... thats all you have thats the only thing that cannot be proven without coming to my house. I can post the MANY photos I have of mikey and mikey and me together and mikey and my friends dogs having play dates but Im sure you will still say I am a cold heartless person. Anyways Debra is selling her dogs for high prices under the guise that they are xxx tiny... I have since found other breeders that sell small chihuahua's for much less. If I was wrong/lying she would have proof ... the proof being many more good references but she doesnt because so many are not happy... take note that many of her references have the word exceptional (as well as the rebuttals from supposed costumers here) in them... a word Debra likes to use.

Wow.  First, let me state that I AM a real customer and not a "supposed" customer as you so kindly made reference to in your last story.  Secondly, do you have any idea how you sound??  I'm pretty sure that it is common knowledge that it is impossible to be 100% sure about the growth-pace of any living being.  And if you know anyone (I will use people as my example to make it easier to understand) who has brothers and sisters from the same parents, it is often that they all are not the same height.  Myself as well as anyone else who reads your comments will most likely truely only feels sorry for the poor puppy you keep complaining about.  Maybe you should have purchased a stuffed toy from Toys-R-Us instead of a living, breathing being that has to live with someone who very much sounds incapable of giving them the love they need and deserve because they weigh more than what you want.??  If anything, I'm sure Debra will from now on, only do better research and not sell to superficial persons such as yourself.  EB, Central California

He is now 7 lbs and almost 13 inches long. The rebuttals of supposed people who got a tiny dog from Debra... where is their reference on her reference page? In 2012 there is 4 references she also has some references mixed in the 2012 with no dates. She has 4 with a 2012 date even if the ones with no dates are from 2012 that makes it 6... for the whole year of 2012 she has a total of 6 references and I know she has sold over 30+ puppies this year... what does that tell you? I am including two pics to show the dog (Mikey) I bought from her is almost 13 inches long. Remember she says on her page that her dogs are more compact... she used to state actually measurements ex. A 12 inch long 2lb dog may weigh less but our 7 inch long 3 lbs dog is much smaller because our dogs are more compact. I just want to warn people that she is a scam she charges 1.900 (if they are older and havent sold) up to 5k+ for puppies she claims are smaller and they are not. Please take caution and really think about things. And for the record she did not tell me to wait for a smaller dog because she was telling me the whole time my dog was going to be 2 1/2-3lbs!!! only till the day he was actually flying did she state he MIGHT go to 4 lbs. Like I said he is now 7 lbs and almost 13 inches long and NOT done growing yet. In the pictures just for clarification the smaller chihuahua that is a meral beside Mikey (the black and white dog I got from Debra) the small meral is NOT from Debra she is from a honest breeder I found.

I bought not only one but two chihuahua's from Debra.I purchased the 1st one a while back , he is almost 10 months old and is just a beautiful little guy with a great disposition.His last vet visit was a week ago and he is weighing in at 3.1 lbs . I loved him so much that I purchased another little guy from her,He has just been here a week ,his vet check was great , as was my first little guys. Vet said they were both excellent quality puppies!! My 2nd little man weighed in at barely a pound and he is 15 weeks old and same as the first he is equally of great disposistion!!! Im not trying to doubt anybody's opinion or experience, but mine was absolutely wonderful,and I personally would refer anybody interested in buying a chi to Debra for one of her exceptional chihuahua's .

Took him in for his rabies shot today. Last shot untill next year! Today he weighed 6lbs and 4ounces he just keeps growing.

I am not going fight I just wanted to tell everyone about my experience with Debra so others will know. Right before I put this report up I asked one more time about getting reimbursed especially since she has that new guarantee on her web page and she replied that that was a OPTION she didnt say yes Kathryn I can do that for you. She claims that she offered reimbursement before but she did not. She offered me credit for another dog :

 Re: Charting
Thursday, July
19, 2012 10:39 PM
From: "Debra B" <munchkinpups@aol.com>
To: "Kathryn sitab" <(((REDACTED)))>

sorry he is weighing more then you wanted. Did you want to send him back to me and try for a smaller puppy? You would need to pay shipping here and shipping back of a new puppy. I will give you full credit 2000 and you would just pay shipping as no credit for shipping. Or I can give you 50 percent off another puppy. I place charting weight and it is all a good educated guess. I am accurate 90'percent or more of the time. Can't be accurate 100 percent unless I have a crystal ball. He could just stop fast And not go over 4 . Dad is only 2 1/2 and mom is 4. My pups tend to stop weight by 5 months but genes of distant relatives could cause a puppy to,be larger then parents or smaller then parents.

Deb

Sent from my iPad

When she didnt offer to reimburse me again just last night and found out about my report here she proceeded to call me names stupid senseless etc then block my email THEN continue to send me emails (because why would I block her when she has blocked me I figured never to hear from her again) talking down to me and slinging insults.

I will not lower myself to her level of name calling and slinging insults... I am not going to drag this thing out I just wanted to show my proof what I have said to be true. I hope you really think before you deal with Debra. I hope my report helps save some people the emotional hell Ive gone through.

Hello, I just read the letter dated Sept. 10th and I had such a completely different experience with the purchace of my puppy and Debra, that I wanted to write a response.

I began my search for a small puppy about a year ago.  (summer, 2011).  I was, at that time unsure which breed of puppy I wanted and was considering a Yorkie, because I have owned them before, or a Chihuahua, because my husband has owned many before.  I searched multiple breeders and visited countless websites.  I fell in love with the pictures posted of the Chi puppies on Debra's site "munchkinland" and began to email her regarding one of her puppies. 

After communicating with Debra via email, and then later by phone, I realized that she was the breeder that I had unquestionably chosen to buy my puppy from.  Not only was it evident that she cared for her puppies as much as one would care for their own children (which they are, in a way), she made me feel very peaceful about making a purchace over the computer, which I had never done prior to this.

I live about 5 hours from where Debra lives, and opted to drive there to pick up my new puppy rather than having her fly to me.  We met each other at her vets' office, which was very clean and updated, and it was evident that Debra and the staff had a very good repor.  My new puppy was fantastic on the way home, too!

The next few days following, I brought my new puppy to my vet for her first check-up, and I was so happy to hear my vet say, that I had purchased an "EXCEPTIONAL" puppy!  He said that it is not very often that one sees the full combination of great breeding quality, beautiful looks all along with such a sweet and well-mannered temperment.  He said the we got the whole package!  (She really is that stunning!)

We have had our newest addition to our family for about 5 months now, and I have never been so happy!  Wherever we go, I bring her with me and she not only attracts attention because of her beautiful looks, but then even more because she is so well behaved.  I credit Debra for all of that because it is Debra who not only is wise enough to breed so well, but she also gave her such a wonderful and loving start in life as a new puppy. 

I will also say, that if I ever choose to have another Chi, or if I know of a friend who is interested in one, I will without hesitation use Debra of Munchkinland pups.


EB, Central California

 I OFFERED KATHRYN AND JACK BATIS OF WEST VIRGINA  A CASH REFUND MONTHS AGO. THEY SHOULD HAVE SENT THE PUPPY BACK MONTHS AGO. NOT WAIT UNTIL HE IS A TEENAGER AND ATTACHED TO HER FAMILY

First off I warned this family BEFORE THE PUPPY FLEW that he would be at least 4 lbs.
i TOLD KATHRYN SHE SHOULD WAIT FOR A SMALLER PUPPY. SHE REFUSED TO WAIT

KATHRYN WANTS TO BREED BUT I DID NOT THINK THAT SHE WOULD NOT LOVE THE PUPPY IF HE WENT A BIT OVER 4 LBS. I WOULD HAVE NEVER EVER SHIPPED HIM. REMEMBER I WARNED HER ABOUT HIS CHARTING AT LEAST 4 LBS. I SHOULD HAVE INSISTED SHE WAIT!!!

 I TOLD HER TO SEND HIM BACK MONTHS AGO WHILE HE WAS NOT YET ATTACHED TO HER

I FEEL I HAVE FAILED AS A BREEDER BECAUSE I SOLD HIM TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T LOVE HIM

HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT BACK MONTHS AGO BEFORE HE BONDED TO YOU KATHRYN!!!

IF THERE ARE BAD BREEDERS, THIS PROVES THERE ARE BAD BUYERS TOO

I WILL NO LONGER SELL PUPPIES TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BREED. EITHER THE FEMALE COULD BE TOO SMALL OR THE MALE TOO LARGE AND THESE PEOPLE DON'T LOVE THE DOG AS FAMILY

KATHRYN SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO ME AND WAITED FOR A SMALLER PUPPY IF SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO LOVE A PUPPY THAT WOULD GROW OVER 4 LBS. HE TOOK AFTER HIS CHAMPION GRAND PARENTS BECAUSE HIS PARENTS ARE ONLY 2 LBS ( SIRE) AND 4 LBS ( DAM)


I SENT DOZENS OF EMAILS OFFERING RESOLUTIONS TO THIS FAMILY

BUT WHEN I FOUND OUT I WAS DEALING WITH A COLD PERSON I WOULD NEVER SEND HER ANOTHER PUPPY SO I DECIDED TO DO CASH REFUND TO COVER THE COST OF THE PUPPY HIMSELF AND SOME SHIPPING COSTS TOO


From munchkinpups@aol.com
To
Kathryn sitab
browneye_angel88@yahoo.com

The puppy you bought is 1500 plus 500 akc right  and 350 shipping ( his price INCLUDES EVERYTHING so this is a
breakdown)

I will give,you 1500 refund for the puppy if you send him back to me. I will help with the shipping. You pay for the flight and vet certificate ( 225 should be it)  I will pay the 150 to cora go get him from the airport here
and bring to me.

The refund is very fair considering I have lost out on selling him to a pet home where he would be welcome.