National Association of Christian Ministers Scam, Ministry, Internet, Fake Credentials Internet

Don, perhaps you should heed your own advice rather than put your hypocrisy on full display for all the world to see? You stated, 'Please stop this busy body work and please mind your own business and not that of others.'

Therefore, since you enjoy cherry-picking passages to suit your pious, dark, and twisted arrogance, I will enlighten you with the following righteousness which speaks for me:

1) Matthew 6:1

2) Matthew 7:1-5

3) James 1:26

4) Matthew 15:7-9

5) Romans 2:3

6) Luke 12:2

7) Titus 1:16

8) 1 John 2:4

9) Romans 2:1-5

10) Romans 2:1

11) Psalm 101:7

12) 2 Peter 2:3

13) Matthew 23:28

14) Romans 1:8

15) Micah 3:11

Now be gone and tend to your own house, you pesky and pious little hypocrite and liar. You are no better than the thieves I have complained about through your actions of defending them.

Dear Sir,

I am commenting on the information you have issued about NACM National Association of Christian Ministers.

First of all, if you had a bad experience with this I am truly sorry to hear this. Please try to resolve any issues that lie before you.

Second of all my personal comment is to STOP meddling in other people's affairs. If you consider yourself a Christian or obedient to the word of God then please stop this meddling or making bad comments. What seems to be true to you might not be so true to someone else. 

The Holy Bible says:

"...and to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life. You should mind your own business and work with your hands just as we told you." (1 Thessalonians 4:10-12)

"We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies..." (2 Thessalonians 3:11-13)

Please stop this busy body work and please mind your own business and not that of others.

I see all the responses and accusations and it really saddening.

I see that some people are bothering because NACM has not been acknowledged or have studied through some of these other christian orgainzations and seminaries; legal requirements of a secular government and about 501c3 status. 

This debate reminds me of what they said about Jesus in John 7:15-16, 15The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man attain such learning without having studied?” 16“My teaching is not My own,” Jesus replied. “It comes from Him who sent Me.…

Why would NACM need these other organziations approval or creditials to require THEIR certifications as long as they are following biblical commandments? Reminds me also when the Jews in the early church wanted Paul to instruct the new christian converts to conform to some restrictions e.g. circumcision, not eat meat of sacrified animals, etc. then called his preaching 'a boast'.

legal requirements? The term “Legal” is defined as - “the undoing of God’s law.” R.S. Peale 9th Encyclopedia Britannica. Most people do not know the difference between legal and equitable anything which if you studied the scriptures then you would know that Jesus was God's equity. 

501c3 - Many were confused because they do not understand that 501c3 is a number of a code regulating a branch of the federal government concerning all sorts of charitable organizations. Many of these organizations can qualify for exemption based on their compliance with the terms of those federal statutes. The term 501c3 is not really a status or a title until you make it one. Organizations must adjust their status to meet those terms in the statutes and then they must apply in order to obtain a “classification” recognition. Once they obtain recognition through application and compliance with the rules and terms for their type of organization they may use the designation of 501c3 to identify that they have obtained a classifying determination letter based on their "compliance" and "application".The interesting point in the codes is that there are no terms or rules for the Church to comply with nor are they required to file. Their law is clear...

I am just putting in my 2 cents and not interesting in getting into a heated debate with anyone....

The biggest problem that I see today is that the church is not doing what God instructed and still creating covenants with secular bodies and getting involved in government functions which has brought them right back into bondage.

as Winston Churchill said, “If we do not learn from our past then we are bound to repeat it”. As reflected in biblical history in Deuteronomy 17:16 that show were the people Israel was under the bondage of the Egyptian government which provided a welfare system and a social security system through benefits and privileges. The Egyptian government provided Israel with free housing, free food and free protection (welfare / social security) in exchange for each person’s daily tribute of twenty (20) tallies of bricks (e.i. taxes). The same system applies today in the United States in the form of welfare and social security benefits which come directly from coveted goods and compelled offerings by our neighbors by the force of government in direct violation of the 10th commandment “Thou shall not covet thy neighbor’s goods”.

When any people receive any form of government privilege, entitlement, welfare, license or benefit including citizenship from government who in turn exercises authority, jurisdiction and subject them to new ‘gods’, is by their own consent and ensnares them. Whereas King David said, in Psalms 69:22, “Let the bountiful table set before them become a snare and their prosperity become a trap”. Paul repeated King David's warning, “...Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompense unto them” in Romans 11:9.

In Deuteronomy 17:16, “the Lord hath commanded you to return no more the same way”. Believers are never to be under any type of government servitude again but unfortunately Christians and government agents today have been ignorant to biblical history with the exception of the Amish. God also commanded his people that, “You shall make no covenant with them, nor with their gods”. Exodus 23:32 and “Be careful not to make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it become a snare among you”. Exodus 34:12; “so that they cannot teach you to do all the detestable things they do for their gods and cause you to sin against the LORD your God”. Deuteronomy 20:18.

The prophet Samuel warned against one’s consent and acceptance of any government ruler (today that is a president), privilege, benefit, welfare, protection or even citizenship. “Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.” Judges 10:14.

Throughout the Bible, disobedience against God always brings consequences. In Joshua 24:20, he warned “If you forsake the LORD, and serve foreign gods, then he will turn and do you harm, and consume you, after he has done you good." Jesus also said "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?” Luke 6:46.

Allegiance: By accepting Jesus as our “Lord”, “Judge”, “King” (Isaiah 33:22 “The Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; He will save us” (e.g. God is our Judicial, Legislative Executive branches) and as the ‘Christ’ (‘anointed one)’ through a public acceptance and by baptism before men is an act of sanctification from all earthly governments. Pontius Pilate asked Jesus, "You are a king”? Jesus said, "You say correctly that I am a king… “John 18:37. Pilate acknowledged Jesus as the ‘King of Judah’ (‘King of the Jews’) by an official Roman proclamation written in three (3) languages that were nailed to Jesus’ cross in Luke 23:38.

Jesus’ kingdom government was foretold in Isaiah 9:6, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government is placed upon his shoulders”. Jesus’ kingdom government operates under love, faith & charity as the ‘perfect law of liberty’ and could not operate like the kingdoms of the world (past, present and future) that exercise forcible authority one over the other.  Jesus’ church is its own civil government known as a ‘theocracy’.

Jurisdiction: In John 19:10, Pontius Pilate asked Jesus, “"Do you refuse to speak to me? Don't you know I have the authority to release you, and to crucify you? Jesus answered him, "You have no authority over me at all, except what was given to you from above..".  

Right then Pilate knew that his authority came from Caesar, not from God. Pilate was sitting in the judgment seat as a judge in a Roman court of law as chief magistrate. Jesus said “My Kingdom is not a part of your world” that means Jesus’ kingdom is not a part of Pilate’s constitutional order orRoman’s system of government basically saying ‘you have no jurisdiction to judge Me or My Kingdom’. Pilate knew he had no jurisdiction over Jesus and could not try him of the false allegations made against him and did not try him. Pilate dismissed the case with prejudice by washing his hands since he lacked all jurisdiction against Jesus.

In God’s first commandment, “You shall have no other gods before me”. Exodus 20:3, the words “gods” and “God” is translated from the word ‘elohiym’[1]in the plural. ‘Elohiym’ is defined as ‘rulers’, ‘judges’[2]and occasionally applied as deference to ‘magistrates’[3]. In the New Testament, the word “God” is translated from the Greek word ‘theos’ which figuratively means ‘a magistrate’[4].

God expounded upon this command, “Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them”[5]. The emperors of Rome were often referred to as “gods” using the words, ‘Apo Theos’,  not because any one believed that they created heaven and earth, but because they were the chief magistracy and ruler of the people, appointing judges throughout the empire[6]. Emperor[7] and Principas Civitas[8] were offices to which Augustus Caesar was elected. The third office, he requested was the “Apotheos” of the Empire. The words translate as “the originator of gods” which meant he appoints other imperial magistrates throughout the empire. Today, a U.S. president (Imperator) exercises this same type of authority when appointing federal justices and agency commissioners in selected districts as the identical Roman procedure of centuries ago. This is what the prophet Jeremiah referred to, “Do people make their own gods? Yes, but they are not gods!" Jeremiah 16:20. The apostle Paul also said “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)” 1Corinthians 8:5; “Stay away from people who are not followers of the Lord!” 2 Corinthians 6:14.

There is not one bible scripture that commands us to give our allegiance to any country, king, queen, pope, president etc. The bible commands that our allegiance be given to God and God only.

The term "citizen” that means “a member of a political community that has submitted oneself to the dominion of government.” Black’s 6th, p. 244. The U.S. Supreme Court declared, ‘citizenship is a membership into political society’. Luria v. U.S. 231 U.S. 9 (1913); U.S. v. Polzin, 48 F.Supp. 476 (1942)) which requires one’s consent. The Holy Bible decrees, “our citizenship is in heaven”, Philippians 3:20 and "So now you Gentiles are no longer strangers and foreigners. You are citizens along with all of God's holy people. You are members of God's family. Ephesians 2:11 and the bible does not show anyway that it permits it dual citizenship if you have truly declared Jesus as your king and ruler. The ‘Declaration of Independence’[1] in Federal Statues-at-large, vol. I, states that all governments receive its just authority and power from one’s consent known as ‘derived from consent the governed’.

[1] Strong’s No. 0430 ‘elohiym {el-o-heem’} plural of 433

[2] Online Bible and Concordance. Woodside Bible Fellowship.

[3] Strong’s Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary.

[4] Strong’s Greek Dictionary of the New Testament.

[5] Exodus 20:5

[6] “The last act was the formal decree of the senate by which Augustus, like his father Julius before him, was added to the number of the gods recognized by the Roman state.” Encyclopedia Britanica 1953,Vol II, pp. 689b.

[7] An “Emperator” means the “Commander-in-chief” of the military. Collin’s Latin Dictionary

[8] “Principas Civitas” was the “first citizen” of Rome, the chief executive officer of Rome, a municipality.

Conclusion:

NACM is doing nothing wrong or corrupt but spreading the word. can they improve? of course they can.

The bigger problems is how christians are living today and under ungodly rule. Repent and turn away from the bondage which has ensnared you. Live "IN" the world but dont be "OF" the world. Jesus’ kingdom government operates under love, faith, charity as the ‘perfect law of liberty’ through freewill offering and could not operate like the governments of the world (past, present and future) that exercise forcible authority one over the other and by coveting your neighbors good. The only people that really understand this concept is the amish.

Why do any of you want to be "governed" by a secular and corrupt goverment and heathen leaders???

The greatest horrors against mankind have always come from some type of government and will in the future. Remember, there is a time coming that things will be so bad that has never happened since the beginning of time. "For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again". Matthew 24:21

Most Christians do not the different between a natural right verses a civil right or a natural law verse a civil law.

Christians are back in bondage due to their own slothfulness and lack of knowledge. So when things get bad then you can do what the phophet Samuel said  “Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.” Judges 10:14.

Throughout the Bible, disobedience against God always brings consequences. In Joshua 24:20, he warned “If you forsake the LORD, and serve foreign gods, then he will turn and do you harm, and consume you, after he has done you good."

Jesus also said "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?” Luke 6:46.

[1] Federal Statues-at-large, vol. I; See: 'that all men are endowed' not by edicts of  emperors, or decrees of parliament, or acts of congress, but 'by their  Creator with certain inalienable rights.'. U.S. v. Twin City Power Co., 350 U.S. 222 (1956).

I was a member of the National Association of Christian Ministers from 2011 to 2015

I have meet the founder and several Elders.

I have completed their leadership and Mentor Program.

I have learned a lot from them, and from other members.

I have found them to be fair, and very supportive.

We have seperated because they felt I was too agressive  encouraging other ministers to be on fire for Jesus Christ.

I am on fire for Jesus Christ, I gladly admit this.  

They did agree to give me a second chance, and then later decided not to.

I wish I was still a part of NACM, however I understand why they felt I had broken their rules.

 The Accreditations and Certifications provided what I needed to visit the Jails, Hospitals, and Nursing Homes.

They also provided what I needed to provide servise such as Weddings, and Funerals, and to assit me with
the running of the church.

The Laying on of Hands, was by far my best experience, although I am greatful for all the support.

If your a minister, or have a calling to be one.  I suggest becoming a part of the NACM.

However for communicating with other members, I suggest using an email differant from NACM.

I wish you well, and may God bless you in all you do

An accusation of discrimination has been made, using the same verse used by the Universal Life Church's manuscript, "A Textbook on the Universal Life Church". This claim of discrimination is an attempt at cherry-picking Scripture, to make a point that any Christian, regardless of whether they choose to continue sinning or not, can successfully minister. To this accusation, I will pull out the following passages:

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches decive the hearts of the simple." -Romans 16:17-18

The next claim is that a religious organization must be an organized business, with paperwork filed with the I.R.S. and state and local authorities, which is a straight-up lie. Even if the claim of filing no paperwork with any of these organizations was true - which, obviously, it is not, - this link contradicts the conclusion of fraud, solely for refusing to file with any government organization: https://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Annual-Exempt-Organization-Return:-Who-Must-File

In particular: "Every organization exempt from federal income tax under Internal Revenue Code section 501(a) must file an annual information return except:

A church, an interchurch organization of local units of a church, a convention or association of churches,
An integrated auxiliary of a church...
A school below college level affiliated with a church or operated by a religious order,
Church-affiliated mission societies if more than half of their activities are conducted in, or are directed at persons in, foreign countries,
An exclusively religious activity of any religious order...
A religious or apostolic organization described in section 501(d) (required to file Form 1065, U.S. Return of Partnership Income)..."

Therefore, such claims are lies.

One only needs to read NACM's policy on ordinations. They do not ordain just anyone.  They will not ordain homosexuals for example. Now you may think there is nothing wrong with that; if you're a true Christinan it is a "red flag" however.... 

The Bible clearly states in Timiothy "You have not chosen me, I have chosen you".In Peter, Peter states  the Lord does not show partiality....

NACM does show partiality and is doing the choosing, in place of God and in so doing have made hypocrites of themselves and slighted Jesus.

On a legal note, I have done a good bit of research into NACM. They are not incorporated nor are they state-licensed as a non-profit coproration, or a 501(c) 3. By all appearances they are an ordination mill - wolves in sheeps clothing. Buyer beware!

I'll be responding, point by point, to the original post. Before I do, I will assert that I am ordained with the National Association of Christian Ministers, and have received chaplain certification from them, through their affiliate, David J. Basham Ministries.

"Always refrain from getting involved with questionable and unscrupulous organizations."

This is what's known as a "set-up", or "poisoning the wells". It's setting the tone, to try to make you think the poster is being honest, and that their complaint is legitimate.

"The National Association of Christian Ministers (NACM) is nothing more than an elaborate and well (self) promoted online business, designed to entice an individual by preying on their desire to minister, while exploiting naivete to profit profit by selling unrecognized professional accreditations and certifications."

The law says that religious organizations don't require accreditation, though they can seek it. N.A.C.M. is very open about the nature of their courses, and encourages people to seek further education on the topics they cover, preferably with accredited institutions. Self-study is also important to the Association for Clinical Pastoral Education, in spite of the fact that they do have coursework of their own.

"The National Association of Cristian Ministers (NACM) is NOT recognized by ANY of the ONLY lawful accreditation agencies within the United States:

1. Distance Education & Training Council (DETC)

2. Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges & Schools (ACICS)

3. Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges (ACCSC)

4. Association of Theological Schools in the US & Canada (ATS)

5. Association of Advanced Rabbinical & Talmudic Schools (AARTS)

6. Transnational Association of Christian Colleges & Schools (TRACS)"

While I'm usually loath to cite Wikipedia, it does have a page dedicated to recognized higher education accrediting organizations. You can see, for yourselves, if any of these organizations are on that list, or not. Again, religious institutions do not require accreditation, especially if their certifications/degrees/diplomas are issued only as religious citations, and not in some technical, scientific, or medical field.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recognized_higher_education_accreditation_organizations

"It is advisable to contact these accreditation agencies or your individual state Consumer Fraud Protection Agency and request advice regarding the National Association of Christian Ministers (NACM).

NEVER pay money for unrecognized accreditations or certifications."

This fraudulent claim closes with the tone of a Public Service Announcement, in an effort at using social authority, blaming, and several other social engineering techniques to manipulate the reader into accepting the claims made wholesale, and poisoning the wells against this organization. For more on social engineering, I suggest you read up on the framework sections of this website: social-engineer.org.

A matter of fact, which anybody can corroborate with enough research, is that the staff and members of the National Association of Christian Ministers are often already ordained by other recognized religious institutions, and have prior training, such as their executive elder, Michael Mooney. You can see his LinkedIn page, where his credentials are listed: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-mooney-ms-mba-60213363

It's often the case that an individual from another organization, who is looking to take down competition, will use media like this to slander those they see as such competition. Such was the case with "Reverend Michael Cauley", and his formerly-named "Universal Life Church", which he has changed to a different name. Michael Cauley made multiple fraudulent claims about his organization, as well as the Universal Life Church, and attempted to manipulate ministers from their organization into paying for ordination with his own; many of his former clients will tell you that he became abusive with them, when confronted about the unscrupulous and suspect nature of his activities. The question, now, is who would have a grudge against the National Association of Christian Ministers, and why?

I will close, by saying that the only course of certification they offer is the chaplain certification course. Before the poster, or any of his/her supporters bring it up, any religious organization can certify you as a chaplain; the only question, in seeking a job in such a position, is whether or not the institution you apply to will accept the credentials. While most are very specific in where they will accept credentials from, and for what types of positions, many are very open, and chaplains who do not meet their requirements, for whatever reason, can still operate as chaplains, under certain conditions, such as operating as volunteers or getting permission from the institute's chaplain on staff or a patient to see said patient. In any case, while donations are accepted, as with any organization, and papers are offered for a certain amount, which can be found on their site, shop.nacministers.org, you are not required to buy the papers to be recognized as an ordained minister with them - their site, nacministers.org, has a list of ministers, and you can contact them at nacministers.com to request information about whether or not someone is a minister with them, - and none of the courses offered by the N.A.C.M., themselves, require money to take. There's more information here: http://nacministers.org/page/programs

Tina, point taken, but I have two words for you regarding your brother: so what? 

Do you not think that God calls people to do His work from all walks of life, including those who are "mentally 12 years old"? I do. I know that my God can use anyone, anywhere, and at any time. 

Just my thoughts. 

Based on the assertion that the person filing had credentials revoked, and further that there is libel and slander, based on it being a work of God, I have a few points to make.

First of which, what is the legal definition of a work of God? To my knowledge, legality is a secular issue, and therefore there is no such term, aside from act of God - that being nature/weather phenomena.

Second, based on the scriptures, what passage specifically validates as a test, if something is a legitimate work of God, considering that governmental law applies according to the words of Jesus Christ?

Third, why is it that NACM ordination and degrees are NOT recognized by churches, such as the Southern Baptist Convention members, the United Methodist Church, if it is valid and legitimate? Why also, is there legal precedent rejecting mail-order ordination/ministry in a minority of states, and in D.C.? 

Last, I saw a lot of personal attack, inclusive of claims of libel/slander in an effort to silence people in this report. Instead of labelling, and personal attacks (which is not exactly a Christ-like trait), maybe the best approach for you is to provide fact-based evidence, legal briefs, where the organization is recognized or legitimized by a government entity, or other professional accredidation. My understanding is, NACM only self-accredits, by claim of authority under scripture, which has no legal bearing.

I fail to understand how NACM's background check process did not catch a particular person who sports the NACM logo, that I know personally. This person not only uses NACM's credential to claim authority as a pastor to bully people around, but misuses the Dr. of Divinity. This credential, he uses to practice psychology without a license. He has also practiced medicine in his home at his trailer park without a license. Further, this guy has multiple social media accounts, where he has created "certificates" for himself in MSPaint (like his EMT), complete with seals from the State of Alabama (copied off of a government website). How in the world did the NACM Social Media part of the Background Check miss this on LinkedIn, Google+, Facebook, and MySpace?

To me, based on the conduct of NACM here, and based on the conduct of a certain minister, my opinion is that NACM "certificates" open the door to abuses, with insufficient checking into the legitimacy of ministers. If the Social Media check that is said to happen on the front page of the website can miss all of the above, it brings to my mind a question as to how thorough the checks are when dealing with sex offenders. Is this through LexisNexis, or another reputable background investigation firm?

Is NACAM Above the Law? I have planted churches all over the United States. When I planted churches in the Carolinas. According to the IRC 501 (c3) and subsequent codes, there must be a mandate. The statement that there is no way to mandate, this is a lie...it also points to illegal activity. There have also been statements declaring Lible and Slandar. However, the only defense against libal and slandar is the truth. I will be researching the comments and communicate the questions that come up from the statements in this thread with the IRS which is the regularory government institution that offers regularory and quality assurance. 

And for one low price, NACM offers a truly nifty certificate that declares an individual a "Doctor of Divinity". It matters not if the purchaser is illiterate, whether an individual has ever opened and read the Christian Bible, as long as the individual "has a calling to minister" and purchases through an "offering" of a certain amount, NACM will give the "called" consumer whatever "credential" or "certificate" declaring themselves a genuine "Pastor", "Preacher", "Reverend", "Priest", etc., etc., ...

Again, NACM is so serious about ordaining an individual who has a "calling to minister" that for an added monetary "offering", NACM will give their "called to minister" consumer any number of official-looking "certificates" of "recognition" on the NACM sales page, certificates which are completely fake and serve as nothing more than novelty items. After all, NACM is a fine, upstanding institution of theological study, correct?

We shall see how long Mr. Mooney will have his 501c status and witness if he is charged with multiple fraud and other felonies within the very near future.

I fell prey to NACM in 2010. I was even personally recruited by Michael Mooney the website owner to be an "Elder in my Area" The only difference was that I have a congregation. Therefore, when I discovered the fraudulent nature of NACM, my congregation began to take steps to make ourselves available for those who have been duped by an organization such as National Association of Christian Ministers.

Our research has revealed that according to the IRC 501(c)(3) there has to be certain things in place to be recognized as a church.

1.  Regular Worship Services...Got It

2.  People Holding Common Belief.. Got It

3.  Christian Education for Children... Got iters

4.  A course of study to educate our own ministers... Got It (Although it is not finished yet)

6. Our own Ministers Got Them.

We recognize the desire of the many who want to serve God in the Ministry. We we welcome Anyone who has felt the call of God to the Gospel Ministry to join with us and our ministry partners to establish themselves as Christian Ministers. We do this through Education in preparation for ordination, Mentorship in Church Planting and continued support and accountibility for the work of the Ministry. There are absolutely no fees for the education. There is a fee for the background check and shipping of credentials. Our Ministry does not allow admittance into ministry those who are registered sex offenders. This is mandated by the 22nd Plenary Sesson of Ambassadors of Christ Theological Synod. This is the only fee--Unless one loses their credentials.

Everyone who feels the call of God is welcome to enroll in the free course of study that we offer for our ministers.

No one said anything about government accreditation or approval, only that the "National Association of Christian Ministers" fails to be recognized or even to meet the standards for recognition by any and all of the well-known accreditation agencies overseeing validity and ethics of legitimate theological and seminary courses.

You complain about lack of government approved association accreditation?

Ripoff, I respect your opinion, but if not this company, then who do you suggest?  I want to be able to officiate a marriage. 

I have to say, I do not understand how this ripoff report got filed int he first place. It doesn't appear to have any relevence to a ripoff or someone being harmed or taken advantage of.

I know of no other source as important for issues related to ministry and spiritual formation. And for the record, God does not specify how one becomes a minister. To infer it has to do with some formal or authorized process is to condemn the Word of God and that of the Holy Bible on so many levels that I won't even begin.

I do wonder why you would file such a report, and why it is important to you.

I am an ordained minister (by a church with no affiliation with NACM, have a degree from a Christian University, and working on my Masters Divinity). Even my own denomination does not offer the guidance and help that NACM offers. I am most grateful for NACM, and to have someone file a ripoff report is personally painful to me.

Though I do not perform marriage ceremonies very often, I needed help with a problem of faith and legality. There were questions arising from an elderly couple who wanted me to marry them, and one was very ill. They did not want to get legally married for end of life reasons, but other ministers at NACM coached me through the process using a convenent, and confirming that marriage is an act of God, not of the courthouse.

For someone not as familiar with marriage ceremonies, it was a tremendous help--I work with end of life spiritual needs and at-risk youth, not marriage ceremonies.

As the recipient of the power of prayer when I had cancer, I utilize the prayer group quite often. I have connected with ministers from all over the world. Ceremonies and spiritual needs change all the time, and NACM is one of the best places I know for learning what is new in counseling, ceremonies, legal issues, etc. Plus, I do not believe that NACM charges for ordination, and the only newly ordained ministers I have read about with NACM were firmly engaged in their church and were called to ministry, not actors using credentials as a gag.

I have nothing to do with NACM, except that of being a member. I hope that your ripoff report does not end up damaging the credibility or great work NACM does for assisting ministries throughout the world. God bless you.

 This website ( Ripoff Report ) is brand owned by a young foolish liberal at best. I am not affiliated with National Association of Christian Ministers in any way, but I am ordained and licensed by an organization no different than NACM and I have solemnized legal marriages, officiated funerals and baptized people under a license and ordination no different than that offered by NACM. It's obvious that the young liberal owner of "Ripoff Report" doesn't understand the first thing about the laws on this matter let alone libelous and slanderous comments and statements which the owner of this site has made from his own personal assumptions( or at least allowed to be pisted on his site ). Liberals must not favor their own brands much because "Ripoff Report" proves it's material is majorly inaccurate. Anyone who knows non-profit status EIN's knows that the person or person's running "Ripoff Report" have no clue as to what they're talking about in this report. Non-profit EIN's holders are not bound to accreditation whatsoever. If I were the owner of NACM I'd whois this website get their contact info and start legal preceedings against "Ripoff Report" immediately.  There are a ton of attorneys who would love this kind of libelous.   Most third graders understand how non-profit EIN's work at least enough not to file slanderous reports against someone else's brand. Liberals have smoked themselves retarded.

Check out his website, you will see for yourself http://www.edmagedson.com/did-you-know/

My brother who is mentally 12 years old and has anger issues was "ordained" through this outfit. Please don't claim to be anything other than a moneychanger.

Rob, you are correct, anyone capable of signing their name may title themselves "minister", "reverend", "pastor", "preacher", etc., whether or not they are qualified to profess such a calling and career choice. Such is the case to those the "National Association of Christian Ministers" caters to. However, in order to be legitimately recognized by the review organizations mentioned, there is certainty established that qualifications for clergy are met within legitimately recognized and accredited religious theological study programmes, which meet minimum national standards for theological study programmes. The "National Association of Christian Ministers" fails to meet even the minmum standards for any recognition by these esteemed reviewers.

Quite oft, confidence schemers and incompetents choose to by-pass enrolling in any theological studies and simply go to unscrupulous online businesses such as the "National Association of Christian Ministers" who prey on incompetent and unqualified individuals. Also, it can be argued that the "National Association of Christian Ministers" assists in aiding confidence schemers in their mission to commit questionable acts in the name of religious faith by proclaiming to substantiate non-existent qualifications, simply through application to receive unscrupulous and unqualified "credentials". Further, for example in establishing the questionable business practices and worthlessness of the "National Association of Christian Ministers", its business SELLS unrecognized novelty credentials, i.e. "Doctor of Divinity" and other worthless items which serve little more than to make mockery of the calling to ministry.

 "Pastor" Rob, you cannot refute the legitimacy of the complaint nor can you refute the legitimacy of the reporting agencies I have provided. The agencies I have listed exist to protect consumers from being defrauded by questionable business practices utilized by unscrupulous organizations such as "National Association of Christian Ministers".

Secondly, "Pastor Rob", How about disclosing your connection to the "National Association of Christian Ministers"? I am certain reviewers would like to take your position with the organization in question when evaluating the legitimacy of your opinion. Considering your connection to the organization, your opinion does not qualify as an unbiased or objective review. Does it? For you, such questionable business practices equate to an income.

After reading your report I have not found anthing to make me believe this organization has any ligitimate concerns thus far. At least any more than normal. The agencies you listed are not Required in the licensing of ministers. In fact there is no national oversight for the licensing or training of ministers. It is not something I am comfortable with but quite frankly anyone can get a license and be a minister these days. What NACM seams to do is offer at least some Oversite and vetting for ministers. They require certain criteria for becoming a minister. I am a minister but I have no connection with NACM I am licensed through an established denomination with a centralized government. But many ministers are independant of any organization and there is very little rescouce to vet or to prove those ministers are trained, have integrity and quality. This organization appears to be attempting this. I will continue to check the organization out. But right now I see no reason for your complaint. I will check with my friends over at Asbury theological seminary

 "Pastor Jay" or whatever your real name is, it appears you are attempting to bear false witness against an individual you choose to be at odds with. A poor reflection upon you, if not simply pathetic. No one has ever stated the NACM refused to accept anyone as a "member" or anything else for that matter. Nor does the complaint against the NACM business elude to such a claim. Therefore, why would you falsely insinuate that such is the case? Interesting. More interesting is the fact that your supposed rebuttal has more in common with an advertisement than an argument to excuse the unprofessional behaviour and business practices of the NACM.

 Allow me to clarify the complaint for you, as it appears you lack the basic skills to read and comprehend the complaint which has been made against the NACM business organization.

 The fact is, no legitimate national accreditation authority monitoring Christian organizations within the United States and its territories recognizes the NACM. The NACM is a business, specializing in exchanging worthless credentials and services for a preset dollar amount in the form of "donations" (plus shipping and handling). For example, the NACM business offers to exchange a "Doctorate of Divinity" for a donation of a specific dollar amount despite having no requisite of academic study. NACM offers several similar items at preset "donation" prices. Basic intellect would determine such a business practice as nothing more than a novelty, a joke. Any attempt to pass it off as something more than a novelty is highly unethical, potentially fraud. Further, anyone unscrupulous enough to attempt utilizing such whimsical certifications as professional qualifications could easily find themselves charged with fraud. No matter, such remains an unscrupulous and unethical business practice by the NACM (and other similar businesses), as they attempt to financially prey upon those who may be called into Christian ministry.

I am a member of National Association of Christian Ministers.  I would like to point out that it did not cost me anything.  I have had several members from N.A.C.M. help me with 2 events I have had for our community, and I have personal contact with several hundren of its members.  From my experience There is no better association of ministers.  I have completed a leadership program which has cost me nothing but my time.  I am now taking another training program which has proved to be very useful, and again, this has cost me only my time.  This is an organization which works hard to follow the Bible.

 I do admit that I was not so happy that it took so long to be accepted through N.A.C.M., but looking back, I am glad they really checked out who I was before accepting me.

I do not work for N.A.C.M., so I do not know why this person was not accepted.  I would guess it was they did not see this person following the course they said they were on, or perhaps they found something unfaverable.

But I think we all can now see this person shoulde NOT of been approved for membership.

N.A.C.M. is a Christian organization, not a school, or college

any orginization that is set up in the Governace way NACM is is not required by law to be associated of accredited by any of those agencies listed. are you telling me the National Association of Evangelicals is a scam. by this faultery logic they would be along side the Acts 29 network, the Southern Baptist Convention, tha Anglican Church in North America, the Foursquare Church, etc. this claim does not take into account for our 1rst amendemt right in this country and it also assumes all religious groups are governed by those six agencies. the fact isthere are at least 215 outlets of governace that are assceptable this is the minister association through Liberty University so all of this is false and misleading

First, nothing I have stated in my report about the "National Association of Christian Ministers" is the least bit slanderous. What I have stated are strictly the facts, fully supported by the information provided. Interestingly, I have never had ANY 'credentials' revoked by ANY organization, especially one which fails to possess ANY legal authority to grant such credentials. Whomever is making such a claim on behalf of "National Association of Christian Ministers" will be most wise to consult with their legal council, as their statement can easily result in a civil defamation action being filed against them and the "National Association of Christian Ministers" business.

The information I have provided offers LEGAL resources for the general public to research and an advisement for people to use caution in their potential consideration of dealing with "National Association of Christian Ministers". The fact that someone representing the "National Association of Christian Ministers" has responded with the preposterous accusation of slander and then made a blatantly false allegation against a critic of their dubious business practices is not only in defiance of what they claim to morally and spiritually represent, it is also quite pathetic and unlawful. Then again, it is precisely what is to be expected from such an organization milling out useless and fake "diplomas" (always for an exorbitant fee), serving no other purpose than to prey upon and exploit general naivete in order to generate undisclosed profits.

After having his credentials revoked, it is no surprise that the individual filing this report is attempting to discredit a work of God.  He said that he would do this after his membership was dismissed from our fellowship.  Yet, that he would do so in the name of Christianity is absurd.  You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. (Exo 20:16 MKJV).

The organization makes no claim to any affiliation with the accreditation institutions previously mentioned, nor does it even suggest it.  To do so would be irrelevant.  Accreditation is something that pertains to academic institutions such as universities.  The NACM does not claim to be a school, does not grant degrees, and even informs the public that the use of degrees from unaccredited universities may be considered illegal. This may be seen at this link (http://www.nacministers.com/ordinationschool.htm)

Ordination is a sacred rite of a religious community for spiritual purposes.  It is not imparted by
government or institutions of higher education.  I do not know of a regionally accredited university in the US that ordains anyone even if the school is of a religious background.  Regarding government, the first amendment states Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

For these reasons, it is evident that the individual who filed this report is uninformed and attempting to slander the reputation of our fellowship.  This is the type of thing that should be expected, for even John the Baptist and Jesus Christ were slandered and accused of being demon possessed (Luke 11:18-19; John 8:48).