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Report: #1422194

Complaint Review: Navah, LLC - Bend Oregon

  • Submitted: Wed, January 10, 2018
  • Updated: Thu, June 28, 2018
  • Reported By: Derek — Bend Oregon United States
  • Navah, LLC
    1005 SW Disk Dr Ste 102, Bend
    Bend, Oregon
    United States

Navah, LLC Navah Counseling, Navah Retreats, navahretreats.com, Joseph Dalton Joseph Dalton of Navah counseling in Bend, Oregon destroyed my marriage Bend Oregon

*Consumer Comment: Forever Grateful to Joseph Dalton and Navah LLC

*Consumer Comment: Yikes Dude

*Author of original report: To Josh...

*Consumer Comment: This guy above has problems of his own.

*Consumer Comment: Thank You Joseph Dalton, Navah LLC!

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Joseph Dalton destroyed my marriage. Firstly, my marriage was not stellar to begin with: My wife was abusive to me and was experiencing post partum depression. She wanted us to go to a Christian psychologist. At the recommendation of a church pastor, my wife contacted Joseph Dalton for marraige counseling. He was extraorinarily expensive - about $400 each session. He came off decently at first, and he seemed to be a psychologist. He's not. In fact, he has no license to practice any form of counseling in the state of Oregon. He has no degree from a higher learning intitution. Effectively, he's convinced some local pastors in Bend, Oregon to send people to him for snake oil. On his website, Navahretreats.com, he falsley claims that he's been in business for over 11 years. This is easily proven as false. Look up his whois domain info. Look up his LLC info online. He had a bogus blog previously, and in the 'about' section of that blog, he states that his practices were too unorthodox for the church he was attending, so he started Navah instead. Let's see...so his methods are too risky for a church and are not rooted in a degree program from a college. 

 

So what happened in counseling? How did Joseph Dalton of Navah counseling in Bend, Oregon destroy my marraige? (By the way, I've since spoken with 3 other men who have told me the same story nearly to the T)

 

Dalton effectively tossed a grenade into the room & walked away. Session after session, Dalton would assign blame to me for all of our problems, but he never addressed the blame of my wife AT ALL. He would make list after list of nagative words about me: self-centered, angry, blaming, hardened, not loving.

 

He sent an email to my wife and I wherein he 'fired' me from counseling, and then he claimed that he had never had to do that before in 11 years (clearly a lie on top of a lie). After 'firing me' from counseling, my wife left me, took our daughter away, has moved into a home with her alcoholic brother & has emptied our ENTIRE bank account. Firstly, Dalton has no education or certification to practice therapy in the state of Oregon. He hasn't been in practice for 11 years as he states on his website. Look up his business registry info & his WHOIS domain - he's an online ghost. He practices a version of regression therapy (very dangerous...can lead to suicide) - his techniques combine hypnotherapy, guided visualizations & two way dialoguing with "Jesus". RUN FAST if u want to save ur marriage. I’ve now spoken to 2 other men who sought counsel from Navah, & they’ve shared the exact same experience: Joseph Dalton simply makes list after list of negative attributes about u & shares them to ur wife. “Unreachable, unteachable, harsh, critical, angry, hypocrisy, inner pain, etc.” Effectively, he assigns blame to the husband (because he knows who’s paying him - the wife). Then, u go home with a wife who has more doubt and anxiety than ever before.

 

THE SESSIONS: To begin, Dalton asked us to make lists of 'ways my spouse has hurt me'. After 3 sessions, I was frustrated that he hand’t gone over the list of 'ways my spouse has hurt me' or any other assignments he gave us. Now began the rift between Dalton & us. I expressed that I'm in the doghouse with my wife for these unresolved issues, & that I would really like to understand when we’ll review the assignments. Dalton’s attitude shifted against me. He began to argue with me, & at one point, saying I 'remind him of a lawyer' & that I'm 'lawyering him'. This alarmed me, because on 4 occasions the told us his father was an attorney who’d abused him his entire childhood emotionally, psychologically & physically. I suspect this was countertransference. I asked him if he feels that I remind him of his father & if that's bothering him. He reacted by tossing his pencil down, rolling his eyes & head, & with a chuckle, he asked, 'what...so now you're psychoanalyzing me?' At any point, if Dalton did not get 100% agreement & compliance from me, he would say, 'you're unreachable' & ‘unteachable’. He wrote down many many lists of character flaws. My wife would collect his notes about my character flaws for her records. The list reads like a list of symptoms for any number of behavior disorders or mental illnesses. Googling these words online yielded search results for sociopathy, bordering personality disorder, narcissism & more - as u can imagine, I was crushed at the thought that I am struggling with one of these disorders. When Dalton presented us with the list, he told me, "This is who u are, Derek." I then replied, "I can definitely see how I react in some of these ways when I'm experiencing stress or danger." He replied, "No, you're lying to urself; THIS is who u are & no one in ur life is willing to admit it to u because they're afraid of how you're going to attack them for it." I replied & said, "No, that's not who I am - those are some behaviors I express as a reaction to stress, & I want to work on improving in those areas. He replied & said "you're lying to urself". He continued to press in & said that I'm lying, a hypocrite, & not reachable. Then, in a random shift of the conversation, he looked at me & said 'if u engage with her sexually, & you're not connected emotionally, then u're violating ur wife...& if it's not happening in a way where you're emotionally connected, then stop having sex...it's a violation" Then, he asked me to speak to my wife & to repeat after him:

DALTON: "In the past when we've had sex, was that violating for u?"..."What did u do with all the pain?" & so on.

 

I contacted him and pleaded with him to reach out to my wife - to help me win her back. He never replied. I tried again. He never replied. Run fast if you want to save your marriage. This guy is a classic con artist, in the name of Jesus. The worst. 

 

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#1 Consumer Comment

Forever Grateful to Joseph Dalton and Navah LLC

AUTHOR: Troy - (United States)

  I want to address the accusations made here by Derek because I’m greatly disturbed by it. Full disclosure, Joseph Dalton/Navah LLC saved my marriage. I’m not overstating things when I say, if it wasn’t for Joseph I wouldn’t be married right now. We were at our wits end, about to get divorced, had already seen multiple counselors... when we finally went to see Joseph. He dealt with both my wife and I and our issues. (He didn’t just focus on me.) Thank God, he connected us to each other in a way I never thought possible. I know SO many people (single, married, etc) who have the same story of healing. It has to be said, a counselor can be defined as a pastor or person in leadership, who isn’t licensed but is respected for his/her guidance and advice... OR as a person who is licensed as an MFT, Psychologist, Psychotherapist, etc. Joseph has never claimed to be a licensed Psychologist, which I’m bringing up because Derek seems very concerned with that fact. Also, he has mentioned that their church referred them to Joseph, which implies some type of Christian counseling (again, not all counselors are licensed). But he seems to think that praying and talking to Jesus is "engaging in some type of mysticism”. I’m confused by this, since a HUGE part of Christianity is praying and engaging with Jesus in some form or another. Why is there confusion about this? Being referred to a counselor by my pastor, I would expect that counselor to pray. And to ask me to pray. If all I wanted was a Licensed Psychologist or MFT, I would just google one in my area. I’m sorry his wife took their child and left him but I doubt very much it had anything to do with Joseph Dalton. There are two sides to every story and There were obviously some deep rooted issues before Joseph came along. How many times has a husband or wife not realized this until their spouse has left? I suspect this situation is no different. Also, why is the reviewer upset that Joseph asked him to address being sexual with his wife while being completely disconnected to his wife? Most people I’ve talked to DON’T want to have sex when the other person is out of it. Weird that the reviewer is writing a review and bringing up his sex life, while also not understanding sex 101....be present with the person you’re having sex with or they won’t want to have sex with you. I wonder what the wife’s side of the story is. Also, he seems to be very concerned with Joseph allegedly not being in business for 11 years. I know of people who saw him 10 years ago (word of mouth is how we found Joseph). It’s interesting that he would assume Joseph was not in business just because Navah, LLC wasn’t around yet. Many people start careers and then later decide to take on a bigger vision and establish an actual company. Is it possible that’s what happened with Navah? There are certainly many examples of this in the business world. Sara Blakely, who invented Spanx, is one such example. To address Regression therapy and hypnotherapy. Joseph never used any type of hypnotherapy with us or any of the people I’ve spoken to who have seen him (of which there are many). Also, here’s a definition of Regression Therapy...”Regression therapy is a specific approach to psychotherapy that helps people improve their emotional and cognitive health by resolving past events from their earlier life or past lives.” In no way, at any time, did Joseph talk about past lives or earlier lives. We spoke in depth about both our childhoods (which is typical). Joseph is the most non-judgmental person I’ve ever met and I know his practice deals with Christians and non-Christians but no one I’ve ever spoken with has said he dives into past lives or an earlier life. It’s crazy to think someone is saying Joseph does this. All in all, I’ll be forever grateful I went to Navah/Joseph Dalton. He saved our family.

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#2 Consumer Comment

Yikes Dude

AUTHOR: Lindsey - (United States)

For reference... Joseph Dalton and his counseling SAVED my marriage. And he has never claimed to be a licensed psychologist. (Not to me or my husband personally or on his website). I know of at least 5 other couples with the same story (not just 2 or 3 men but multiple COUPLES who wouldn’t be together if not for Joseph). Some of the couples I know saw Joseph a long time ago, 10-11 years, so this guy’s ranting is garbage on that front.

If my husband and I had seen Joseph when our friends first told us about him 10 years ago our marriage would have been MUCH different, for the better. However, when we finally decided to seek help from him last September, he certainly didn’t focus all the blame onto my husband. But, to be fair we were BOTH at our wits end and almost at divorce courts door and my husband was willing to do the work with me. Joseph spoke to my husband and I about BOTH our failings and the pain we had caused eachother.

Also, from a woman’s perspective...I agree with Joseph, if my husband were constantly trying to have sex with me (or actually having sex with me) while he was completely disconnected and somewhere else, I’d feel violated too. I get what this man’s wife was feeling. There are two sides to every story and I’d be careful to form an opinion when reading a review like Derek’s. I doubt very much this man’s wife left him and took their child all because of Joseph Dalton. Sounds like she was having serious issues with this guy way before Joseph showed up.

Here’s a more succinct account about my experience with Joseph.... Words can not describe how thankful, grateful and in awe I am over our time with Joseph last September. He counseled my sister and when I saw the enormous change in her, I decided to talk to my husband. Just a little background, we were about to get divorced. We decided that we had nothing to lose and agreed that if this counseling (we had gone through counseling before) didn’t work, we’d end our marriage. So we got a personal loan (that’s how serious we were), flew out to Bend, got an Airbnb and spent a week with Joseph. We both come from abusive backgrounds and had brought all that into our marriage and into our lives in general.

Thank you God, because our time with Joseph changed our lives and saved our marriage. I’ll personally never be the same and my marriage will never be the same. We’re actually the best of friends now. I wish I could detail here all we learned and everything that happened. But I’ll just leave it at this. Joseph is open, kind, peaceful and the most non-judgmental person I’ve ever met. And we (this is CRUCIAL) were willing to learn, do the work, be as humble/honest with each other as possible and were willing to drop/resolve our anger. No amount of counseling will help you if you’re not willing (or your spouse isn’t willing) to do the work. That said, you’re crazy if you don’t get to Navah and Joseph as soon as possible!! ♥️

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#3 Author of original report

To Josh...

AUTHOR: Derek - (United States)

Navah Bend and NavahRetreats.com are a scam.

Josh,

Firstly, you don't know me. But, I will engage your reply point by point. (By the way, no claims I'm making with regard to Dalton's Navah Bend LLC practice are false. Dalton is a scammer with NO license.) Navahretreats.com reads like a future cult commune.

You said...

I have known Joseph personally for many years, and all of what you are saying is false:

DEREK: Prove that what I'm saying is false. He has no license. He's engaged in bizarre mysticism. Additionally, he breached confidentiality by discussing our counseling sessions with my wife's personal therapist. Is that ethical? No.

You can see it in your post that you have a lot problems - the first major blaring one being that you're blaming another human for your issues (first sign of delusion) - its seeping through all of your words.

DEREK: I'm blaming Dalton for what he contributed to my divorce: My wife was suffering from depression and anxiety (which has been diagnosed by a licensed therapist. Dalton did not identify that. Instead, he assigned all of the blame for my marital problems onto me. If anyone has assigned blame, it is Dalton. After he did that over and over, my wife believed him and left. It played to her anxiety.

Perhaps it's you that's delusional. After all, you're making claims that 'everything I'm saying is false', but you can't bring up one example.

Your post tries to reveal some hidden truth - but you never once owned up to any of your issues or what you might have done in your marriage but also in your counseling session.

DEREK: The truth cannot be hidden. Dalton and other mystics use colloquialisms like this. God does not hide truth. Check your Bible.

Tell me what it is that I've done in my marriage. You do not know me, so it's quite "delusional" for you to presume anything.

If your wife left you with your kid, it most likely has nothing to do with a counselor. And it seems you have tried to go to their church with this information and your thoughts were rejected there, so you took to going online.

DEREK: Actually, I did go to my church, who recommended him to us. Is this not what your Bible tells us to do? It is no surprise that Dalton's collegaues are also Biblically illiterate. I then reported him to the state. I plan to continue to report him to every board which is interested, and I will perhaps file a lawsuit. These are the avenues for conflict resolution available to citizens that feel that someone is acting unethically. Wow. This should all be super obvious. Besides, I know that this site has great SEO. Dalton is a businessman. This is a scam site to report businesses.

You need to take a close hard look in the mirror before you start making accusations of another human.

DEREK: Literally, you're making accusations about me. You sound like a self righteous hypocrite. 

I don't have to prove that Dalton is a scammer. His failing business is proof itself.

Have a good day. 

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#4 Consumer Comment

This guy above has problems of his own.

AUTHOR: Josh - (United States)

I have known Joseph personally for many years, and all of what you are saying is false. You can see it in your post that you have a lot problems - the first major blaring one being that you're blaming another human for your issues (first sign of delusion) - its seeping through all of your words. Your post tries to reveal some hidden truth - but you never once owned up to any of your issues or what you might have done in your marriage but also in your counseling session. If your wife left you with your kid, it most likely has nothing to do with a counselor. And it seems you have tried to go to their church with this information and your thoughts were rejected there, so you took to going online. You need to take a close hard look in the mirror before you start making accusations of another human.

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#5 Consumer Comment

Thank You Joseph Dalton, Navah LLC!

AUTHOR: TandB - (United States)

 If you're tired of going in mental circles with trying to get breakthrough personally or in your marriage, I strongly suggest you try meeting with Joseph Dalton. He's kind and genuine, a good listener, profoundly sensitive to the subtlest of feelings and things going on that may not even be brought up-he's got a real gift. Joseph has consistently been someone who speaks the truth in a loving way, when everyone else seems content to beat around the psychoanalysis bush. If you're ready to do the hard work of getting real with your heart and moving forward, and ready to own your own part in things instead of passing the blame or finding bandaids to buy time without really healing, then it's amazing what a week of sessions at Navah can do. I've known very few people-counselors and therapists included-who actually seem genuinely compassionate and personally connected when I've talked with them about some very traumatic and difficult things that I've experienced. But Dalton does an incredible job of being connected and real, without crossing any emotional boundaries. He's a rare gift in the "counseling" world, and a refreshingly different and effective approach to the typical mode of counseling. I've known SO MANY (not just one or two!) people (young/old/single/married) who have had the same experience and would echo my thoughts. I've seen friends' lives do a 180 for the better and marriages too. We give a big fat two thumbs up to Navah LLC/Joseph Dalton--definitely an investment well worth it!

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