New Dawn Distribution/Ds-max Ripoff! False Advertising, Deceptive, Cult-like... Stay away! They need you to make them money. Liberty Ohio

I worked there around 2001 and I loved it.  It was a great experience.  I really applied myself and made a profit that I paid bills with. 

I agree with this post. I was one of those 2 smart people out of 10 that walked into the Launch Local/Axiom/New Dawn office, desperate to find a job. I did graduate college and had been searching all summer for a job. (Maybe my standing as a smart person can be argued, because I took the job after falling for Linda's sales pitch. In my defense, I was under the impression that this was a respectable company that was going to teach me something while I got paid. I got wise very quickly. I was out after 3 days. I may be naive, but I come to my senses very quickly.) I was wrong about one very important thing: I'd be making money; however, I did learn something very profound about myself. I got everything I needed from this company walking around Twinsburg and Ashtrabula like a fool for those 3 days. I'm glad I didn't settle for it. I'd rather be unemployed and wait for a salaried job-- no matter how lowly it is (there is another author of a comment that inspired me to add my two cents is soo soo right about that) is better than working in direct marketing. Logically, it doesn't add up. In 3 days (one day shadow, two days "working"), I made $84. I gave it shot, I did make some sales, but it didn't feel right as soon as I really got a look under the veil and experienced a full day.

Pros-

1. Some of Linda's spiel is right, but you have to pick, choose, and interpret it carefully. Very carefully, which is hard to do when you're desperate and someone took you to lunch and told you you could make $300-$500 a week.

2. The people who tell you no 90% of the time are cool. I understand the position they're in-- we waltz in thinking they owe us something when they're just trying to do their actual jobs? Direct Marketing is soliciting, that fact does not change just because we learn how to overturn negatives. (Overturning negatives-- having a response ready in the event of someone refusing our product, aka, not taking no for an answer, saying ridiculous stuff with a straight face.) When I was under the impression that there was some kind of base pay, I didn't mind hearing no. I took advantage of having whatever cordial conversations I could with the people I'd come across the short time I was working. That was the highlight; I met some characters, really kind people that deserve more than what we're trying to sell them.

3. The experience in of itself is a funny story to add to my life exerpiences. (Am I trying to see that glass is half full with this one? Yup, but as I said, I'm a little naive.) It's a funny story and as I said, I learned something about myself. A little over a month later, I found a job, which would not have been possible, I personally believe, without some of Launch Local's culty jargon. I'm working at Sheetz, which is a company that really does treat their employees well, does give them what they need to succeed, and does offer actual opportunities to move up. I've seen and experienced something (I feel strange calling this something a job) comically unreal and am currently living something that has tangible, realworld clout and evidence to back it up. What speaks volumes to me about where I'm at now is that my superiors have nothing to prove, my co-workers are balanced, knowledgable fun people, and the customers are basically the same (it is retail, food service to be specific, so that's nothing new to me, but even they have ways of showing their gratitude and dedication to our restaurant.) I call it cool honesty. Launch Local was culty and loud and strange and all that seemed to say they had a lot to prove; loud "honesty," the kind of peacockiness and s****.>

-I feel more desperate than I actually am; I am not so desperate that I'm willing to settle for such a wonky/sketchy job.

-I'm better than peddling crappy coupons for crappy businesses (that's why the companies are not paying for their "advertising." They're struggling and are desperate for any kind of foot traffic. I didn't tell many people about where I was working because it's embarrassing explaining the ins and outs of what I did each day.

-I might be naive, but I'm not stupid. Clearly being unemployed is better than direct marketing, especially at this particular "business."

Cons-

1. Culty atmosphere-- Here's where things get funny. We'd have to be there by 7am and as soon as you walk into the office, you're met by Irish punk rock blaring out of the speakers. Linda, who kind of looks like she does or has done roller derby, greets you with a a smile, a very earnest handshake, and a "good morning." This combination of the music or maybe Linda's demeanor managed to turn me off every single time. Every morning, I was instantly overwhelmed and it would not let up as others filtered in and gave their equally strange and possibly put-on morning salutations. Before going "out to the field," (what a euphemism!) we stood around whiteboards for two hours doing a combination of things: practicing our pitches, learning the jargon (aka, the keys to sales-- impulse curve, law of averages/attraction, etc.), and listening to Linda's morning speech. (That was about as Stalin-esque as things got in the office. Hitler personally came to my mind during these morning pow-wow sessions, but it was only in style. I'm sure she's a kind woman, but clearly she's indoctrinated by something. It's part of her job to maintain that image, right? If anybody has to practice what they preach...) I don't know what kind of flow I managed to get into, but thankfully, these hours passed quickly. Then we went out to our respective locations. The first half of the day, we'd work with our parnter (like the freaking Jehovah's Witnesses of direct marketing!) and do our spiel. The person would say no, or rarely someone would say yes, then around lunch time, we'd split up in a divide and conquer way and then meet up and drive back to the office together. I did way better on my own and did not make sales until I had some space to be in my head and put my own spin on things. (My team leader was a sweet girl, but she was too much in the morning for me-- and I'm a morning person. That's saying something. She's really nice and would be cool, if she'd turn down a little bit. Talking to her often made me tired.)

That was the biggest con for me. While I do have my personal qualms about our style of selling to people, I found the interpersonal rapport in the office to be most disconcerting of all; I studied psychology school. It's just generally hard for me to overlook pod-person behavior. One has so few options in its presence: completely reject it or absorb it without question-- neither of which I wanted to do. The personalities made it hard for me to find a middle ground. Aside from the general sketchiness of the job, I had to get out because the people were too strange, had crossed the line from lovably eccentric to uncomfortably bizarre.

I worked for Axiom through the winter of 2011-2012.  Linda's mentality, while geared towards success, is far too extreme.  The concept of you make what you're worth, is so out of line, it's not even funny.  There were many days I worked my a*s off, but still found myself spending more money towards the travel or it just didn't meet the bare minimum of a livable standard.  I'm sure there are some who may be able to make it work, but she exaggerates and pulls people with deceptive wording and promises of the path of advancement.

Also, anyone that as the owner of a company would resort to posting slander, be it true or false, about a former employee in a public forum, that owner has demonstrated just how little class they actually have.  It's one thing for the former employee to do so, but the owner should, as someone with that title and level of success, know better, be the better man/woman.  Linda demonstrated how she operates, by responding to whomever it was in the manner she did here.  It was inappropriate, which is a good word to describe her in general.

Linda Barton is probably an intelligent individual. That being said, she is probably very manipulative. I read her post, and yeah, she makes okay points, but also she is crazy. College vs. This Job? I think the answer is clear. Look at it this way. 10 people walk into her office. 2 out of 10 are smart, strong, and confident individuals (mislead by the Vindicator Jobs ad). The other 8 have had problems in the past, low to no self esteem, and pretty much no future career prospects. Now, all 10 think the job is bogus, but Linda starts telling them all that they are great, they will have better jobs than a college graduate, they are strong and they will be better sales people than guys making $100k a year.

So, the 2 individuals with self confidence say yeah right, and they leave. Now, Linda says that they are "weak", they "suck", etc... The other 8 think, "Man, I'm not weak, I don't suck. I don't want her to think I suck", so they stay. Now the other 2 that left, they find a job at oh, let's say, Giant Eagle. They are bagging groceries, and going to college. The other 8 are selling junk business to business and decide to forego college because Linda said they don't have to go. Now, the baggers at Giant Eagle, however lowly a job it may be, are making a steady pay check. They don't have to worry about making money based on how many groceries they bagged that day. The other 8 at Axiom, New Dawn, whatever (nice trick) are making $30 bucks here and there, $50 if they are lucky. Now, the other 2 finish college, and most likely get good jobs (Linda- Most likely, yes. It's definitely not rare to find a job out of college, saying what you said makes you sound stupid). The other 8, still at Axiom, lose their jobs because the scam is finally brought to it's knees and Linda stops making $30k a year, so she is screwed. (Don't let her fool you, she is faking it til she starts making it); Now the other 8, since Linda told them 100 times they are the best, strongest people in the world, they need jobs. They apply for numerous sales positions and they are laughed at. Finally, the run into 1 of the 2 that went to college - at a job interview - guess who gets the job, guess who gets laughed at? Later on, 1 of the 8 runs into the other guy that went to college. He runs a mid-sized company, and this person from Axiom needs a job. He asks them "What are your qualifications, education, work history, etc...", and they reply "Axiom..."; they are cut-off, laughed out, and felt sorry for afterwards.

 People, young people, listen. I went to college, I have a real job; I make actual money; I'm no dummy- this Linda Barton, this company, forget them. Get a trade, an education, find a career that doesn't promise much in the beginning,but gives you experience in that field- that's honest and knows it's place. I bet everything I own this company in 20 years will be gone. Another one with another intelligent, manipulative leader will sprout out, but the same thing will happen. Please don't take advice from her post.

I just wanted to give the heads up that New Dawn Distribution is in suite F, it handles merchandise (the cheap China made generic CRAP) and AXIOM ADVERTISING is in suite E, which handles the certs (the coupon certificates issued by Innovage/ Granton (now called "Smart Circle"). Both are owned and operated by Linda Barton and the Humanistic Philosophy is still there. Social Darwinism to the 10th power. Both companies are under the same roof and bith share the same atmosphere room every morning and every night.
8-9 hours of door to door sales with 3-4 hours of "atmosphere" (impacts).

If you like not having any money, I suggest you check out careerbuilder, that's AXIOM ADVERTISING's favorite place to advertise.

I am a recent graduate who came upon this company while searching for employment. My academic performance, job experience, and corresponding credentials are excellent, and I expect soon to find employment- in my field of fitness and physical education.

I am very disappointed by this companies misleading advertisements targeting young professionals like myself. Rather then bore you with my own recollection, I will show you the
post in question:

Company: New Dawn Distribution Location: Independence, OH 44131
Salary/Wage: 20,000.00 - 30,000.00 USD /year
Pay based upon personal attributes. Status: Full Time, Part Time, Employee
Job Category: Education/Training Occupations: Fitness & Sports Training/Instruction
Relevant Work Experience: Less than 1 Year Career Level: Entry Level

Even a visit to the website quickly informed me that something was NOT kosher.
Attempting to categorize a sales position as 'education/training' or 'fitness & sports training'
goes way beyond typical doublespeak or Nixonian dialect and into the realm of Bushism type
pure falsehood.

In addition to this, salary/wage does not designate commission. The fact that this
job description is so incredibly vague and deceitful leads me to believe this is not
a company I would be a representative of.

I was scheduled for two separate interviews before becoming suspicious about the
entire business model. As a monster.com user who has been besieged by Primeica and UAI
calls I should have been more skeptical; finding employment in the present economy
is difficult enough without wasting profane amounts of time on misleading tactics and cons.
If I do attend the interviews, it will only be to question the practices of this business.

Thank you for opening my eyes on this issue.

It's been about 8-9 years since i've worked for New Dawn Distribution and I still have the "JUICE", that's what's up.

First the company, you do go door to door and hear a lot of no's. But when you get your 10-15 yeah's you will make your money. Its all in a days work. As I believe linda stated, if everyone said yes everyone would be in the business. In all businesses not everyone is a customer. This company teaches you not to push a product. If someone says no, you move along and don't care because you have'nt covered your territory yet and will hear enough yeah's to reach your goals. I remember one day I worked an area I never worked before. I heard no all day but never let it get me down.

At the end of the day i went to one door and the company purchased eveything I had. This happened because of what Linda and her training taught me. With this company you learn more than any school can offer. If you don't make money in this business it is because your L A Z Y. Some of the products you promote and move may not be top quality but for the price, you can't beat it. The company treats its costumers great. If they have a problem with a product we always made it right. I recall so many times that people would light up when I came in the door.

Now about the owner, Linda. She would give you the shirt off her back if you were cold, give you food if you were hungary, and she would give you shelter if you were out in the elements. She housed me and a number of employees who were in need of a place to stay till we got going. When she yells at you it is out of love and to push you to better youself in the business and as a person.

In closing, those ex-employees who could'nt make it in the business need to quit bashing this company and Linda and go back to flipping burgers.

Thanks for all the great times Linda,
Steve (NEW DAWN FOLK from the Mike, Tara, Eric, Jason, Curtis days)

After eight years you are a self-proclaimed "outstanding food-service worker"? Yet you were only making $8 an hour? You must be diluted or easily taken advantage of. Four years ago I worked as a part-time dishwasher in Oakland, PA (about 45 minutes south of Newcastle) making $7.25 an hour from the start. Either you sucked at food-service, or never worked in it.

Also, you cannot build a house from acronyms. In the same sense, Ninjas aren't in the business of building houses.

Why don't you (as in all associated with DSM) just forget the childish Halloween fantasies and call yourselves what you really are; door-to-door, 100% commission compensated, padded-dream chasing salesmen? Instead of being proud of what you really are you have to relegate yourselves to animalistic icons. Honestly, when you shake the hand of a new acquiantance, do you say, "I'm a rhino"? Or do you say, "I'm a door-to-door salesman"?

Honestly, I'd rather be a money making person than a lie-chasing rhino, ninja, whatever.

At the same time, being unrelenting and strong comes from within, and lands you a career. Being submissive and weak allows others to convince you that the scheme they've roped you into is a career, and everything else is a "job".

Matt, the very first moment (if it hasn't happened already, it will soon) you realize that this job sucks, don't fight it. You will be told by others that its just a phase. Trust your instincts and leave, or learn the hard way.

I'm not quite done yet.If only the strong survive Matt, then why is that whenever one of you "Gimmels" (I still love that word to this day) starts sh*t there is always three rebuttals from three different people staring right back into your ugly canned words champ?
Sounds to me like you are right. Only the srong survive? Yep.
P.S. Earlier I wanted to say beady dead eyes (instead of "ugly canned words") but I couldn't remeber how to spell beady....Is it beedy,beady,betty or beeddy dead eyes? If someone could please tell me how to spell it and correct my grammar, it would be much appreciated.But not you Matt, my little spinach cake.

So a ninja, a waiter and a business owner are building a house. The ninja turns to the waiter and says, "I've got these juicy tools that we can use to build our house" and the waiter says "that's great but I thought I was here for a marketing job." To which the owner replies, "what kind of attitude is that? Do you want to live in your parents' house all your life or do you want to build this great, luxurious mansion?"

"I want to live in the mansion," replies the waiter.

"That's what I thought. Here are the 8 great house building habits you'll need to build your mansion," instructs the owner. "Now, don't be fooled waiter. I'm not looking for you to actually build a house. In fact, we're not even in the business of building houses. No, what I want you to do is build walls. And then, after you build those walls, build a ceiling. And then, after building the ceiling, add electricity..."

"This sounds a lot like building a house," claims the waiter.

"We don't talk like that in atmosphere," rebukes the ninja.

"...And after you add electricity, move to another city and start building another house from scratch with fewer resources and no help."

"That doesn't sound very appealing to me," says the waiter.

"THEN MOVE IN WITH YOUR PARENTS AND BE A MISERABLE FAILURE YOUR WHOLE LIFE, GIMMEL!!"

Man, I love that joke. Thanks for reminding me of it, Matt. Speaking of jokes, I've got another one.

What did the leader say to the juicy new guy on his day of O?

Anything he could to get him excited about a bogus, cult-like, dishonest, deceptive and relentless business model.

Matt, you and these jokes have something in common. You make no sense and you're not funny.

You are a dork.Is ds-max or Granton or Cydcor doing business for Home Depot now? I worked my a*s to the bone for 8 months and do you know where that got me? 1. Repoed truck. 2. Loss of friends. 3. Loss of self respect. 4. Loss of dignity. And I don't even want to get into 5 through 10.My story is relativley mild compared to some of the others that I have read.How can you even try to condone what you do to people who have lost it all and never got it all back from the same place that you WORK for?

Those people that all had the same stupid belief.
Believe it or not...You are no better than the kid who "wasn't worth the air breathed." That is a shitty thing to say around the holidays man.I can tell who you WORK for.

By the way. I picked myself up out of the dirt many times. Only to realize that the person I was busting my a*s for was for a man by the name of Paul "Master Ninja" G-e-a-.....I don't even know how to spell his d**n last name.
You sound pretty confident sport.But you probably couldn't even hold my neck-tie in the field.

Like I always say to guys like you..."You think your hot snot, but you are just cold boogers."
I currently am the manager of a restaraunt, and If I had to choose between building a shack with what I make now or building a mansion with Paul G...Then I choose the shack.That way when I am done, at least I will still have my pride and dignity which I have earned back.
And remember one last thing tiger....drug dealers,rapists,thiefs,serial killers,George Jung,Jeffery Dahmer and my good friend Paul are all self motivated too.(Except of course Jeff. He's dead Fred.)
Merry Christmas Chief. And good luck with that house.

P.S. I don't think a MLM counts as a career.It isn't even a real job.Think about it son.

My friends i feel it is time for me to say my piece.

for the past eight years i have been working in the food industry. in respect to that career i can walk in to any restraunt and come out with a job making seven to eight bucks an hour. that sounds like decent money but let's break this down for a second.

when i first started in the inustry i made five fifty. since then i have mastered every form of the food service concept ever created. i'm good at it. no that's not true. i'm outstanding at it.

so eight years later i'm one of the best restraunt worker's out there working my butt off for my well earned eight dollars an hour. in that same restraunt i had a so called employee who quite honestly was not worth the air he breathed making fifty cents less than me.

have we as a societety gotten so lazy that a man who works hard every day is only worth fifty more cents a day than a d****e bag who still hasn't gotten tying his shoes down pat?

i have met linda barton. she's pushy, bossy, and direct. she's also caring, understanding, and sincire. she, like all men and women who make it to ownership in this business, strongly believe if you work your butt off and give it everything you got then you have a shot at success.

the largest misconception about this business is people think we are looking for people who can sell stuff. wrong! we are looking for people who can go two weeks straight falling in the dirt and keep getting back up, always ready to learn always asking how he can improve and never blame some one else for his misfortune.

i do not know the guy who wrote the original post and therefore i can not comment on his character. but if linda says he was a good guy then i'm sure he was.

i have met a few people who had a falling out with this business and left with hard feelings about what we do. they tell me it's a scam and it's impossible to achieve anything.

my answer to them is this...

imagine building a house is like reaching the ownership level. building a house is hard work. there are many seperate things that must work together in order to get your house livable.

now imagine when you walk in our doors we give you the tools and the supplies to build your house. if you take those tools and only build a shed that you hate living in because it was easier than building a mansion then you and your shed deserve each other.

this business is no different. you recieve what you put into it. when i started i sucked, and they told me as much. was it wrong that my boss was so rude about it? would you rather he pat my head and give me money i didn't earn? what would that teach me? he forced me to fight for his respect, but once i got it he and the other guys in the office taught me how to be awesome.

jobs teach people how to be submissive and weak.
careers teach people how to be unrelenting and strong.

Me? I'm a ninja.

My friends i feel it is time for me to say my piece.

for the past eight years i have been working in the food industry. in respect to that career i can walk in to any restraunt and come out with a job making seven to eight bucks an hour. that sounds like decent money but let's break this down for a second.

when i first started in the inustry i made five fifty. since then i have mastered every form of the food service concept ever created. i'm good at it. no that's not true. i'm outstanding at it.

so eight years later i'm one of the best restraunt worker's out there working my butt off for my well earned eight dollars an hour. in that same restraunt i had a so called employee who quite honestly was not worth the air he breathed making fifty cents less than me.

have we as a societety gotten so lazy that a man who works hard every day is only worth fifty more cents a day than a d****e bag who still hasn't gotten tying his shoes down pat?

i have met linda barton. she's pushy, bossy, and direct. she's also caring, understanding, and sincire. she, like all men and women who make it to ownership in this business, strongly believe if you work your butt off and give it everything you got then you have a shot at success.

the largest misconception about this business is people think we are looking for people who can sell stuff. wrong! we are looking for people who can go two weeks straight falling in the dirt and keep getting back up, always ready to learn always asking how he can improve and never blame some one else for his misfortune.

i do not know the guy who wrote the original post and therefore i can not comment on his character. but if linda says he was a good guy then i'm sure he was.

i have met a few people who had a falling out with this business and left with hard feelings about what we do. they tell me it's a scam and it's impossible to achieve anything.

my answer to them is this...

imagine building a house is like reaching the ownership level. building a house is hard work. there are many seperate things that must work together in order to get your house livable.

now imagine when you walk in our doors we give you the tools and the supplies to build your house. if you take those tools and only build a shed that you hate living in because it was easier than building a mansion then you and your shed deserve each other.

this business is no different. you recieve what you put into it. when i started i sucked, and they told me as much. was it wrong that my boss was so rude about it? would you rather he pat my head and give me money i didn't earn? what would that teach me? he forced me to fight for his respect, but once i got it he and the other guys in the office taught me how to be awesome.

jobs teach people how to be submissive and weak.
careers teach people how to be unrelenting and strong.

Me? I'm a ninja.

My friends i feel it is time for me to say my piece.

for the past eight years i have been working in the food industry. in respect to that career i can walk in to any restraunt and come out with a job making seven to eight bucks an hour. that sounds like decent money but let's break this down for a second.

when i first started in the inustry i made five fifty. since then i have mastered every form of the food service concept ever created. i'm good at it. no that's not true. i'm outstanding at it.

so eight years later i'm one of the best restraunt worker's out there working my butt off for my well earned eight dollars an hour. in that same restraunt i had a so called employee who quite honestly was not worth the air he breathed making fifty cents less than me.

have we as a societety gotten so lazy that a man who works hard every day is only worth fifty more cents a day than a d****e bag who still hasn't gotten tying his shoes down pat?

i have met linda barton. she's pushy, bossy, and direct. she's also caring, understanding, and sincire. she, like all men and women who make it to ownership in this business, strongly believe if you work your butt off and give it everything you got then you have a shot at success.

the largest misconception about this business is people think we are looking for people who can sell stuff. wrong! we are looking for people who can go two weeks straight falling in the dirt and keep getting back up, always ready to learn always asking how he can improve and never blame some one else for his misfortune.

i do not know the guy who wrote the original post and therefore i can not comment on his character. but if linda says he was a good guy then i'm sure he was.

i have met a few people who had a falling out with this business and left with hard feelings about what we do. they tell me it's a scam and it's impossible to achieve anything.

my answer to them is this...

imagine building a house is like reaching the ownership level. building a house is hard work. there are many seperate things that must work together in order to get your house livable.

now imagine when you walk in our doors we give you the tools and the supplies to build your house. if you take those tools and only build a shed that you hate living in because it was easier than building a mansion then you and your shed deserve each other.

this business is no different. you recieve what you put into it. when i started i sucked, and they told me as much. was it wrong that my boss was so rude about it? would you rather he pat my head and give me money i didn't earn? what would that teach me? he forced me to fight for his respect, but once i got it he and the other guys in the office taught me how to be awesome.

jobs teach people how to be submissive and weak.
careers teach people how to be unrelenting and strong.

Me? I'm a ninja.

Linda,

If you don't mind, I'd rather discuss this in a public forum, rather than a private phone call...

If you were really concerned over issues of slander than I suggest that you take the matter up with local courts, otherwise, your claim is worthless. Also, you may want to consider the reputation that preceeds you - being an "associate" of such reputable companies as Innovage, Granton, etc.

As for the rest of your post, it is fundamentally the same as other pro-dsmax arguments, just packaged differently.

If you think your contributions to society exempt you from responsibility, think again. On a personal level, I also contribute to Goodwill, Salvation Army, and local food banks. Not to mention the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, Animal Resuce League, Beginning With Books, etc. While I consider these contributions to be rewarding, they in no way release me from any personal liabilities that arise from poor or careless actions. The BBB and Chamber of Commerce? Well, I'm glad you pay your dues...

Speaking of dues, do you have a hub? Just wondering, 'cause they do the "meat and potatoes" work of actually running the buisness, not things that can be taught with acronyms.

I just have to laugh at your post. Its so riddled with hypocrisy. You claim to be a capitalist, then take a stab at Chuck E. Cheese's for "milking childeren of their piggy banks for corporate gain", or banks for their interest rates on student loans (which are usually federally backed and have a rediculously low rate), or schools. Speaking of schools, they publish job placement statistics, which are based on fact and can be researched, which is more than I can say about the "averages" published by DS-Max affiliates regarding "average" earnings. Your claim of "rarely fulfilled" job placement is a load of s**t.

You speak of "weeding out" as if this is a process that should only be utilized by the company hiring a candidate. The fact that you think this way is evidence that your company is completely out of touch with standard practices of decency. You do not take into consideration that the candidate is, at the same time, "weeding you out". You think nothing to publish bloated statistics, vague job descriptions, and misleading claims. Which brings me to my final conclusion, which doesn't alude to some bastardization of patriotism and the first amendment...

You stated that Ed was "talented", with an "unbelieveable attitude" and "very educated on the system of the business". Not only do I wonder why he "failed" after hearing such praise (especially after you claim that the opportunity is only for those with a great attitude), but what he thinks of you. According to him, you promised $400-$500 a week. Imagine his surprise when he didn't make that amount! Or how about working "in" a distribution office? None of the work you do "in" the office is paid for. And "well known company"? Perhaps on the ROR...

Linda,

If you don't mind, I'd rather discuss this in a public forum, rather than a private phone call...

If you were really concerned over issues of slander than I suggest that you take the matter up with local courts, otherwise, your claim is worthless. Also, you may want to consider the reputation that preceeds you - being an "associate" of such reputable companies as Innovage, Granton, etc.

As for the rest of your post, it is fundamentally the same as other pro-dsmax arguments, just packaged differently.

If you think your contributions to society exempt you from responsibility, think again. On a personal level, I also contribute to Goodwill, Salvation Army, and local food banks. Not to mention the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, Animal Resuce League, Beginning With Books, etc. While I consider these contributions to be rewarding, they in no way release me from any personal liabilities that arise from poor or careless actions. The BBB and Chamber of Commerce? Well, I'm glad you pay your dues...

Speaking of dues, do you have a hub? Just wondering, 'cause they do the "meat and potatoes" work of actually running the buisness, not things that can be taught with acronyms.

I just have to laugh at your post. Its so riddled with hypocrisy. You claim to be a capitalist, then take a stab at Chuck E. Cheese's for "milking childeren of their piggy banks for corporate gain", or banks for their interest rates on student loans (which are usually federally backed and have a rediculously low rate), or schools. Speaking of schools, they publish job placement statistics, which are based on fact and can be researched, which is more than I can say about the "averages" published by DS-Max affiliates regarding "average" earnings. Your claim of "rarely fulfilled" job placement is a load of s**t.

You speak of "weeding out" as if this is a process that should only be utilized by the company hiring a candidate. The fact that you think this way is evidence that your company is completely out of touch with standard practices of decency. You do not take into consideration that the candidate is, at the same time, "weeding you out". You think nothing to publish bloated statistics, vague job descriptions, and misleading claims. Which brings me to my final conclusion, which doesn't alude to some bastardization of patriotism and the first amendment...

You stated that Ed was "talented", with an "unbelieveable attitude" and "very educated on the system of the business". Not only do I wonder why he "failed" after hearing such praise (especially after you claim that the opportunity is only for those with a great attitude), but what he thinks of you. According to him, you promised $400-$500 a week. Imagine his surprise when he didn't make that amount! Or how about working "in" a distribution office? None of the work you do "in" the office is paid for. And "well known company"? Perhaps on the ROR...

Linda,

If you don't mind, I'd rather discuss this in a public forum, rather than a private phone call...

If you were really concerned over issues of slander than I suggest that you take the matter up with local courts, otherwise, your claim is worthless. Also, you may want to consider the reputation that preceeds you - being an "associate" of such reputable companies as Innovage, Granton, etc.

As for the rest of your post, it is fundamentally the same as other pro-dsmax arguments, just packaged differently.

If you think your contributions to society exempt you from responsibility, think again. On a personal level, I also contribute to Goodwill, Salvation Army, and local food banks. Not to mention the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, Animal Resuce League, Beginning With Books, etc. While I consider these contributions to be rewarding, they in no way release me from any personal liabilities that arise from poor or careless actions. The BBB and Chamber of Commerce? Well, I'm glad you pay your dues...

Speaking of dues, do you have a hub? Just wondering, 'cause they do the "meat and potatoes" work of actually running the buisness, not things that can be taught with acronyms.

I just have to laugh at your post. Its so riddled with hypocrisy. You claim to be a capitalist, then take a stab at Chuck E. Cheese's for "milking childeren of their piggy banks for corporate gain", or banks for their interest rates on student loans (which are usually federally backed and have a rediculously low rate), or schools. Speaking of schools, they publish job placement statistics, which are based on fact and can be researched, which is more than I can say about the "averages" published by DS-Max affiliates regarding "average" earnings. Your claim of "rarely fulfilled" job placement is a load of s**t.

You speak of "weeding out" as if this is a process that should only be utilized by the company hiring a candidate. The fact that you think this way is evidence that your company is completely out of touch with standard practices of decency. You do not take into consideration that the candidate is, at the same time, "weeding you out". You think nothing to publish bloated statistics, vague job descriptions, and misleading claims. Which brings me to my final conclusion, which doesn't alude to some bastardization of patriotism and the first amendment...

You stated that Ed was "talented", with an "unbelieveable attitude" and "very educated on the system of the business". Not only do I wonder why he "failed" after hearing such praise (especially after you claim that the opportunity is only for those with a great attitude), but what he thinks of you. According to him, you promised $400-$500 a week. Imagine his surprise when he didn't make that amount! Or how about working "in" a distribution office? None of the work you do "in" the office is paid for. And "well known company"? Perhaps on the ROR...

Linda,

If you don't mind, I'd rather discuss this in a public forum, rather than a private phone call...

If you were really concerned over issues of slander than I suggest that you take the matter up with local courts, otherwise, your claim is worthless. Also, you may want to consider the reputation that preceeds you - being an "associate" of such reputable companies as Innovage, Granton, etc.

As for the rest of your post, it is fundamentally the same as other pro-dsmax arguments, just packaged differently.

If you think your contributions to society exempt you from responsibility, think again. On a personal level, I also contribute to Goodwill, Salvation Army, and local food banks. Not to mention the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, Animal Resuce League, Beginning With Books, etc. While I consider these contributions to be rewarding, they in no way release me from any personal liabilities that arise from poor or careless actions. The BBB and Chamber of Commerce? Well, I'm glad you pay your dues...

Speaking of dues, do you have a hub? Just wondering, 'cause they do the "meat and potatoes" work of actually running the buisness, not things that can be taught with acronyms.

I just have to laugh at your post. Its so riddled with hypocrisy. You claim to be a capitalist, then take a stab at Chuck E. Cheese's for "milking childeren of their piggy banks for corporate gain", or banks for their interest rates on student loans (which are usually federally backed and have a rediculously low rate), or schools. Speaking of schools, they publish job placement statistics, which are based on fact and can be researched, which is more than I can say about the "averages" published by DS-Max affiliates regarding "average" earnings. Your claim of "rarely fulfilled" job placement is a load of s**t.

You speak of "weeding out" as if this is a process that should only be utilized by the company hiring a candidate. The fact that you think this way is evidence that your company is completely out of touch with standard practices of decency. You do not take into consideration that the candidate is, at the same time, "weeding you out". You think nothing to publish bloated statistics, vague job descriptions, and misleading claims. Which brings me to my final conclusion, which doesn't alude to some bastardization of patriotism and the first amendment...

You stated that Ed was "talented", with an "unbelieveable attitude" and "very educated on the system of the business". Not only do I wonder why he "failed" after hearing such praise (especially after you claim that the opportunity is only for those with a great attitude), but what he thinks of you. According to him, you promised $400-$500 a week. Imagine his surprise when he didn't make that amount! Or how about working "in" a distribution office? None of the work you do "in" the office is paid for. And "well known company"? Perhaps on the ROR...

Linda,
This may be the first report about YOUR company. But as we both know, YOUR company is an affiliate of DS-MAX, which has dozens upon dozens of reports against it.
Make as many informed and intelligent rebuttals as you want. The facts remain clear: your company misleads its employees just like every other DS-MAX company. That's why you've finally gotten a complaint. I hope it's the first of many.

Im posting today because of a second round of futile attempts to scare me into submission. Mr barton has called me numerous times to tell me he will be attacking me because of the "lies" i tell about his wifes buissness.

If anyone were to do a search on this respected outlet of consumer complaints for DSMAX the parent company....or should i say thesupplierlookupdsmax and a long list will pop up on this website. The reason? because this job is absolute rubbish.

While i still maintain i never posted the original post, I am posting today to ask scott IF Your buissness is so clean and everything i say is a lie why after months and months of nothing do you continue to harrass me and my girlfriend? Maybe because your biz isnt as clean as you say....i mean walmart has its fair share of complaints but the owners dont threaten or harrass the complaintants.

If you are reading this and feel that i am being unfair, please E-mail me and i will play this latest round of voicemail messages.this is a lesson and a warning about working for this scam.I am at present attempting to put the messages left on my machine online and encourage anyone checking up on new dawn distrobution or any Ds max or innovage company to do a complete check with ripoffreport.com as to others experiances.

FURTHERMORE Mr.Barton your threats fall on deaf ears. While i dont doubt you may try somthing illegal to get back at me, the public will know about New Dawn's deceptions.
mrloserpunk@hotmail.com

p.s editor, If you'd like to hear these messages yourself you have my contact information, I can provide copies of police reports and a fairly large group of ex-employees who feel the same.
EDWARD JOHNSON

Think Twice before considering a job at new dawn distrobution, like Ed i worked from 6:30am till about 7:00pm. I made 2 dollars for every 10 dollar item i sold. I even worked with ed a few times, funny how at one point he was "man" doing all the meetings and training now he's gone. It was like that all the time, people would quite everyday. Linda made it a point to say it was cause they were weak or "sucked". Is that how you treat an employee who quites? Ridicule them in front of other employees. Its a good thing New dawn preys on the unemployed and undereducated, otherwise its easy to see the comparisions to amway ect. But the fact that after i left i ran into ed and he told me about this

website.http://groups.msn.com/DSMAXTheAftermath
the truth is this company is a scam.From the interview it seemed something of the sort was wrong. after being in the buissness awhile i learned how to lie about how many positions we had so an interviewee would feel an urgancy to accept this job. Also we were made to pay a trainees pay if they didnt make at least $50 to say anything differant look at this...

http://ripoffreport.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=ds-max&submit.x=26&submit.y=7

if you trust this site enough to read on it do a search of new dawns "supplier" now called innovage....can new dawn really be any differant than the horror stories these reports speak of?

Reguardless my post isnt to fuel any hatered i have for this company rather to help steer anyone thinking about working for them to at least take one of those " Observation days" to observe what this company is really about.

Linda, I would just like to state that as a business owner myself, I really respect your rebuttal. Unlike most people I know, you really handled your rebuttal with tact and the utmost professionalism.

I owned a security alarm company for 6 years before the Tyco scam, and it seemed like no matter how hard I tried to take care of my employees, most of them were never satisfied. And most of them earned $1,000+ per week with my company. In fact, the guy I hired as a regional sales Mgr. started his own company and stole all of the employees from the main office he worked at. That just goes to show you can't always trust people with full control of one of your offices.

I used to work for AJ specialties (DS Max)in Merrillville Indiana. I will admit, having 8 years prior sales experience, it was over hyped and there were very young inexperienced young people training on a daily basis.

However they were very motivated. I sold out my stock every single day I was in the field earning over $100 a day for a total of 2 months.

However, I was used to earning $80,000 plus with my prior sales jobs and you couldn't work long enough in a day to earn that kind of money with DS Max.

But you know what, for a young man or lady fresh out of High School, it is a great training tool to learn the "hard school of knock's". My first sales job was selling combined insurance door to door.

I will never regret having that experience and I'm sure these young people will not regret the experience they learn with you. I took my years of sales experience and helped train that particular DS Max organization.

I really made an impact on the young persons and taught them the deeper studies of sales closes. The only thing I didn't like, was the fact that everyone that walked through that door, thought that they were going to be an "owner".

Let's face it, only 2% of the sales people that walk through our door are cut from the cloth of ownership. Do they have the potential? Of course they do. Are most willing to take the time and discipline to learn all the traits necessary to run a successful sales organization? Absolutely not! And discipline in the field of sales, is 95% of the talent needed.

I would tell them that the chances of them owning their own office was slim to none. But then I also told them that it's better to have a shot at slim to none, than to not try and always wonder if it could have been them.

And that's how you become one of the 10% of this world's population that is fincially independant. You continually try and learn no matter how many times you fail. "Failure is only evident when you have given up. Success is evident only when you have overcome your failures".

Now I own my own Credit Card Processing franchise, and I earn well over $200,000 per year just from my own efforts. I am learning to trust again and I have an ad going in this weekend to hire some sales representatives. If they are good, and learn what I have to teach them, they will earn over $100,000 their first year.

It makes me so happy to effect other peoples lives for the better. Keep doing what you are doing, and you will receive the true harvest from your seeds you are planting. Best of luck, and if you ever get tired of that type of business, I would love to have someone like you on board as a business partner. Take care, and good luck with your business.

I would like to apologize for the misprint about Ed Johnson. He is "20" , not "22". HE is also the person that told me he was A.W.O.L. from the military, this information is not factual, just heresay directly from Ed himself. I had no proof, just his word. I apologize for the misprint. I also stated I personally like the guy and didn't attack his character just rebuttalled his complaint.

My name is edward johnson, I did not post the original post, I have become a target for Mr.Bartons anger because a report was published after I Left the company. I was not Terminated by Either of them. I left because of ethical objections associated with Their Pactices. 2 Police reports have been published reguarding personal attacks against my persons. Scott Barton has threatend me because of his "belife" I was involved. I do however know the author however i will not deliver his name due to said nature of said attacks. Please remove my name as i am not the author

My name is edward johnson, I did not post the original post, I have become a target for Mr.Bartons anger because a report was published after I Left the company. I was not Terminated by Either of them. I left because of ethical objections associated with Their Pactices. 2 Police reports have been published reguarding personal attacks against my persons. Scott Barton has threatend me because of his "belife" I was involved. I do however know the author however i will not deliver his name due to said nature of said attacks. Please remove my name as i am not the author

It is a great privilege that in the United States we enjoy freedom of speech. Personal perceptions that people swindle, steal, and cheat falls under that first amendment right. People may even feel justified in their thinking. The corporation in question, being held in excellent standards since its birth in 1999 with the Better Business Bureau of Ohio, and the Regional Chamber of Commerce, is also a donator to Second National Food Bank, Goodwill Industries and the Salvation Army. We have come under attack by a terminated independent distributor who became malcontent and disillusioned with the business.

At the age of 22, Edward Johnson is A.W.O.L. from the military and a former Chuck E -Cheese employee. Posting a complaint on Rip Off Report.com, Mr. Johnson slandered the corporation by using opinion instead of fact. Actually, I personally liked the guy. I thought he was very talented and had an unbelievable attitude. He was in line to accomplish great things with little experience. I feel that he had potential. I tend to believe his girlfriend may have written this complaint. For I feel Mr. Johnson was very educated on the system of the business. Regardless I'm addressing the issues in question.

After having been an owner in this business for over 5 years, I am motivated by the fact that this is the first complaint ever directed towards New Dawn Distribution and the way I have run the business. If you research other Fortune 500 Co., you will always find disgruntled people no matter the business or profession. Since the complainant was so akin to provide salacious information about myself and my organization, I felt it only right to provide FACTUAL information about Mr. Edward Johnson. In the 115 days that Ed was contracted here, he made exactly $7397.33 that is an average of $64 dollars daily, not the $35 $40 so self proclaimed. Another interesting fact is that he was an active independent distributor for 133 days but missed the opportunity of earning more income by missing a total of 18 days in that period of time. He was NOT here for 8 months.

No one has ever said that direct marketing/sales were easy. You are supposed to hear no's and our business is a weeding process. If everyone said yes, everyone would be doing this business and we would have no customers. Not everyone has the strength and tenacity to do our business and be successful. Sensitive and unmotivated people never cut it. There is opportunity for the people who can maintain a great attitude through negatives and positives which gives you experience in dealing with every possible situation. This is survival of the fittest. I did not invent the phrase Only the strong survive.

Every business sells something whether it be an idea, a service, a product(schools sell education and even promise job placement that is rarely fulfilled). Every business is in business to make money that's what makes the world go around! If you believe you people should not be rewarded by more income as their accomplishments get greater, than you believe in communist tactics as so eloquently written by the complainant. Even the Rip Off Report.com makes money off of your complaints. I am a capitalist and I am in business to teach other people the same information that students spend money on in college and universities. (Banks make money of the interest of student loans.) There is NO investment, just cash made daily based on merit.

Everyone at our business is an independent distributor and can come and go as they please. Our warehouse hours are Monday through Friday from 7a.m. until 5:30p.m. If people stay until 8p.m. it could only be that they don't want to go home due to our fun family like atmosphere. For complainant to say that it is a requirement is false.

I have encouraged people to quit if they are not making good money. It's not fair for them to work all day and not make money which is mainly linked to having a bad attitude, poor social skills or poor work ethics. Regardless if distributors make money or not I am still making money and that, I believe, is dirty money to me and I don't want it. I am not here to make money off one person. I am here to teach people how to run an organizational distribution center and they make money in the process while they are learning versus spending money at school to learn or invest money to make money. They also have the same opportunity that I've had. If an independent distributor makes $50 in a day, the office makes $50. If the office has 20 people making $50 a day, the office makes $1000 that day. This times 5 days a week is $5000 weekly. ( The corporation has expenses like every other business.) Obviously, before you can run a distribution office of 20 people, you have to show you can handle a few no's in the field. Also learn the business and learn to lead in the system so you are qualified in the process of managing other people that are doing something that you have mastered yourself. That is an opportunity like no other and sometimes, depending on the quality of people, it takes more than 133 days to teach a person how to run a corporation.

About offering opportunity: If complainant was here for 133 days. At any other place, after that period of time, you may have gotten a quarter raise. Rome was not built in one day. Check back one year from now and make a statement that there's nothing going on. Complainant made more here in that amount of time than at Chuck E Cheese. (They make money off tokens and overrated pizza and prizes, milking children of their piggy banks for corporate gain.)

No one is ever misled to think they are making an hourly rate. The independent distributor makes a piece rate. We live in a performance based society. Street performers get paid solely on performance. Entrepreneurs are motivated about making what their worth. Some people feel that they are worth $10.00 an hr. My time is priceless and my efforts are in my own reward. It is the people that try to get away with doing as little as possible for as much as they can per hour that never do well in sales because they are not self reliant. Sports players that get cut from the team blame the coach because they are incapable of realizing that, maybe, they didn't play hard enough. People like Michael Jordan play harder.

I never realized that stressing the importance of a positive attitude telling people they need to be responsible for themselves and accountability for their actions was cult like. I feel that friends and family who sit around all day and smoke pot and drink beer is more cultish because they want their friends to continue amongst degenerates of society versus getting a professional image and work ethic and working towards a future and making a living. Anyone wanting to change their lifestyle is called brainwashed by these people. Maybe, people call your opportunity a scam because they have no faith in your ability to be anything in life but a drunk.

IN CONCLUSION anyone that has a question please call me direct and we can discuss any situation as adults or meet me in person would be better. I need not hide behind the face of a computer. Please come to visit our location and see for yourself. OR take warning of complainant. Either way Freedom of Speech is what our country was founded on. GOD BLESS AMERICA 330.759.3500