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Complaint Review: New York Health And Racquet Club - NYHRC - New York New York

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  • New York Health And Racquet Club - NYHRC 60 West 23 Street , 132 East 45th Street, 20 Eat 50th Street, 115 East 57th Street, And More New York, New York U.S.A.

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Buyer beware: New York Health and Racquet Club's business model is based on a near-impossible cancellation policy. Even if you have a month-to-month "No commitment, cancel anytime" membership, you can not simply cancel by phone, email, fax, or even in person.

First, you must go to a physical location of the gym to pick up a form (if you're out of the country, tough luck). But you are nor permitted to fill out the form on the spot and hand it back. No-- you must mail it, by REGISTERED or CERTIFIED mail. Then, unless the letter is received a full 30 DAYS before your next scheduled billing, TOUGH LUCK: you'll be billed again, for a membership you've already asked to cancel.

This fraudulent policy is buried in the fine print of their 40,000 word contract, and they will not under any circumstances waive it. I know, because I called from FRANCE, where I had to move due to a death in my family, told them that to send a registered letter from there would be nearly impossible, very expensive and unreliable, and they refused to make an exception!

I spoke with 5 individuals at my branch, and was then referred to a Heidi Krebs (phone number: 212-220-0763; email address: hkrebs@nyhrc.com), who never returned by repeated calls or emails. Aside from the borderline criminality of this policy, the sheer refusal to make exceptions for humanitarian reasons indicates the depth of the hit-and-run, to hell with the customer mentality at this company.

Anyone considering joining a gym, you'd be insane to consider the criminal organization that is NYHRC the New York Health and Racquet Club.

Try the New York Sports Club, Equinox, the YMCA, or countless smaller gyms with superior ethics and some modicum of consideration for their clientele.

E.a.
New York, New York
U.S.A.

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#6 Consumer Comment

NYH&RC won't own up. A horrible scammy business.

AUTHOR: Superherox - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, November 20, 2009
Like an alcoholic, you continually deny any wrong doing and refuse to address your underlying deceitful practices. All over the city your advertising reads, NO COMMITMENT. I saw it for a at least a year after all this bad press about your no commitment contracts. What's wrong with you? Will you continue to demonize your x-customers because they were victims of your fraud?

What more can you do to tell members about your policy other than a sign at the front desk or some small print in your contracts that says 30 days cancellation? How visible do you think that is compared to the 20 foot posters and 10000 postcards that say NO COMMITMENT on them? 

This is what you can do- every single time you sign someone up for a monthly membership, you explain to them that as soon as they cancel, they still have to cough up for another month, regardless of where they are in the billing cycle. Make your customer aware of your scam and then let them decide what NO COMMITMENT means for themselves. 

You dig your grave in that I have to outline the further deceitfulness of your response. You are absolute crap.
 
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#5 Consumer Suggestion

Only One Way Around the Contract Terms

AUTHOR: Superherox - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, December 05, 2008

This contract is bogus, it has as much integrity as a subprime loan. Jeff, YES, when we make a request to have our membership terminated, we expect it should be done:

- immediately
- in person
- at any location

When I joined your location 4 years ago, I canceled from Crunch in person, in 5 minutes- all I needed was a picture ID.

Veiling and justifying any other terms as 'proceedure' is NYH&RC's way of squeezing a last month from your customers.

THERE IS NO WAY TO CANCEL YOUR MEMBERSHIP WITHOUT AN ADDITIONAL MONTH'S FEE. No matter when you tell NYH&RC you are canceling, because you have to do it 30 days in advance, you will get charged another month. This is a plain crooked practice.

Id like to share a solution I found, as I managed to get my contract canceled via email and in 24 hours. NYH&RC insisted that I maintain this membership for another 6 weeks and with an additional month's fee (as they explained was outlined in the fine fine fine fine fine print of my contract, although not disclosed at all by a sales person during time of initiation, or I would have crossed it out). I let them know Dec 2 that I wanted to cancel, but they said they would charge me again on the 17th and my membership would be done Jan 16.

As long as they were sticking me with the membership, I let Jeff know that I intended to use as many as my member resources as I could, which would include draining all their shampoo, soap, paper towels, bath towels, water, hoard equipment, sit in the lounge with stinky food. Frankly, I was determined to get thrown out as an option to being racquet-eered by these devious business practices.

I'm not sure if this was the catalyst that got the management to cancel my membership, but they did threaten that if I ever walked into their club again they would have me thrown out and subsequently arrested. So, now I'm a criminal because I refused to get jerked around by a bogus business practice.

Jeff, just change the d**n contract. I realize it will probably mean millions of dollars that you aren't shafting from your customers, but I bet you are losing a hell-of-a-lot more money from potential members turned away from the exposure of your lousy and crooked business practices.

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#4 Consumer Comment

"NYHRC's cancellation policy is honest" - Really?????

AUTHOR: Pjphili - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 13, 2008

I, too, have a month-to-month membership with NYHRC. I have been a member since 2005. When I visited the gym, I was hesitant about joining it, but the Zach, the one who signed me up informed me about the month-to-month "No Commitment" membership. Needless to say, I signed up. Three years later, I find myself wanting to cancel my membership. I called NYHRC and told them that I wanted to cancel my membership. The woman I spoke to over the phone was curt (NYHRC's customer service leaves much to be desired).

She told me that I would have to put it in writing that I want to leave the gym. She gave me the number to call in which I should request a fax copy of the form that I was to fill out. When I called the number, the other woman said that she would fax it to me immediately and informed me that I will have to give it at least 30 days before the date of cancellation. No problem. I received the fax and sent it out on the June 19th, 2008, knowing that I will be charged for June and July, and my membership cancelled for August.

June and July has passed and I received a bill for $101.00 from NYHRC. I called the billing department and explained that I requested to cancel my gym membership starting in August and was not to be billed. He said that this was not noted in the records, call Member services. I called member services who directed me to the two women I sent my request for cancellation to: Heidi Krebs and Erica Smith. I called them both and left two messages on July 28th, July 30th, August 5th and today, August 13th. I have yet to hear from either of them. I have even called the corporate office and now, their number is busy. I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that their phone system is down today, but not to hear from ANYONE for the past couple of weeks? I don't think so.

If Zach would have told me when I signed up that cancelling my "No Commitment" membership would be such a hassle, I would have NEVER signed up.

Note: I've contacted the BBB and NY1 for You to help resolve this issue.

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#3 Author of original report

Exceptions are made? Really?

AUTHOR: E.a. - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008

The employee above claims that "exceptions are made" but fails to elaborate. Strange, because I was told by several employees that NO exceptions are made under ANY circumstances. I was then referred to a member of management who did not return calls or emails.

Keep in mind that I had a death in my family and was forced to leave the country. If that's not grounds for an exception, I wonder what is?

Over to you, Jeff.

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#2 UPDATE Employee

NYHRC's cancellation policy in honest.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 25, 2008

This complaint is simply untrue. Any member can get a cancellation form faxed or e-mailed to them at any time. There is a 30 day notice requirement on cancellations, but this is told to all members when they enroll, is clearly written in the membership contract, and is even posted on signs at every front desk! What more can they do to tell the members about the policy? They are not hiding that policy. Exceptions are also made, depending on the situation.

The reason members are required to send the cancellation request certified or registered mail is so they will have a receipt, thus ending any dispute of who cancelled and when. It appears as though this member wanted her membership cancelled immediately and heard nothing else.

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#1 Author of original report

NYHRC New York Health And Racquet Club Terms of Service

AUTHOR: E.a. - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 23, 2008

This passage, repeated twice in the NYHRC New York Health and Racquet Club online Terms of Service, raises some questions...:

NEW YORK HEALTH AND RACQUET assumes no responsibility regarding the accuracy of the information that is provided by NEW YORK HEALTH AND RACQUET and use of such information is at the recipient's own risk. NEW YORK HEALTH AND RACQUET provides no assurances that any reported problems may be resolved with the use of any information that NEW YORK HEALTH AND RACQUET provides.

NEW YORK HEALTH AND RACQUET assumes no responsibility regarding the accuracy of the information that is provided by NEW YORK HEALTH AND RACQUET and use of such information is at the recipient's own risk. NEW YORK HEALTH AND RACQUET provides no assurances that any reported problems may be resolved with the use of any information that NEW YORK HEALTH AND RACQUET provides.

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