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Complaint Review: Online Detective - Internet

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  • Online Detective OnlineDetective.com Internet U.S.A.

OnlineDetective ripoff Unauthorized credit card charge $29.95 monthly for total $1048 before charges noticed, and they will not reply to email Internet *EDitor's Suggestions on how to get your money back!

*Consumer Comment: net detective, thieves john stanley

*Consumer Comment: Call or email to get this company offline

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We contacted the OnlineDetective.com website in June, 2001 but after entering credit cxard info we learned their software is not Mac compatible.

We never used their service, but they began charging our card $29.95 monthly (in one case at least, TWICE per month) and we didn't notice the recurring charge until April 2004.

They took at least $1,048 from us.

They will not answer email.

The card billing was through ibill.com which also bills for several other things we buy online so the charge did not stand out.

Brad
Garden Ridge, Texas
U.S.A.

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EDitor's Suggestions on how to get your money back!

HERE IS WHAT RIP-OFF REPORT SUGGESTS YOU DO:

Go to your bank within 60 days of the charge, or as soon as you know about the charge, don't delay, and tell them that there has been fraudulent activity within your account. Explain that you wish you file a dispute, and demand that they assist you in accordance with Federal Regulation E.

According to the majority of victims interviewed by Rip-off Report, those who immediately called their banks to dispute the charges did not get very far. Many victims got the following responses from their banks: we could not do anything for you or you waited too long; it has been more than 60 days.

If the bank is says that you have waited too long, explain to them how you called their 800 number as soon as the charges were found, and were told by the bank that nothing could be done. Remind the bank that they failed to assist you properly at the 800 # , and instead, provided you with an inadequate explanation of your right to dispute. Tell the bank that it's their fault time has expired, and since they gave you the wrong info to begin with, they will just have to deal with it, take the loss and reverse the charges.

Tell them the truth; this was unauthorized and your account was NOT to be charged! Keep emphasizing how you never authorized anything! Direct them to the hundreds of victims reports that were filed on Rip-off Report.com. And if you're at the bank, walk them over to their computer and make them go to this site! If you are on the phone with them, tell them you will wait while they access this site! Either way, be persistent!

DO NOT TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER!

Let them know nicely, that you were advised to Report them (the Bank) and this situation to the Banking Commission in your state. Since each state has a different name for the agency/comptroller over banks, find that name before you call or get to the bank so you can throw it in their face. The more knowledgeable you appear to be, the further you will get.

And just continue to demand the Federal Regulation E form! The bank CAN, MUST and WILL reverse the charge! But, you must be persistent; ask to speak to the supervisor or the area manager for all the branches in the state.

Let the bank personnel know you are meeting with the media later in the day, that you would much rather they do the right thing (as most other banks have) by looking at the complaints and immediately reversing the charge(s) to your account; no matter how long ago it was. Be sure to call the Media if necessary so you are telling the truth.

If you have to, be loud (but nice) in front of other customers. If you are just calling by phone, the above tactics should still work. The bank can easily fax or mail to you the Federal Regulation E dispute form.

CHARGES TO YOUR CREDIT CARD

If the charge was to your credit card (not debit card, check card, or checking account), contact the credit card company as soon as possible to request a dispute form. Consumers usually have a little longer to dispute fraudulent credit card charges (up to 6 months), but it is better to act right away. In this type of situation, credit card disputes are usually successful since fraudulent companies often won't contest the disputed charge. In rare cases, credit card companies will review disputes, but refuse to reverse the charges. If this occurs, complain to a manager and let them know you will be filing a report here.

Remember Don't let them get away with it! Make sure they make the Rip-off Report .. The more Reports filed on a Company or individual, the more likely it is that the authorities, media and attorneys will want to take action.

And good luck Let us know how you do!

ED Magedson Founder, Rip-off Report.com & Author of www.ripoffrevenge.com
EDitor@RipoffReport.com
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#2 Consumer Comment

net detective, thieves john stanley

AUTHOR: Gary - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, April 20, 2004

I HAVE PERSONALLY BEEN RIPOFFED BY NET DETECTIVE BUT RESOLVED IT THROUGH MY CREDIT CARD.I AM SORRY TO CONTINUE TO SEE THEY ARE STILL DOING THE SAME THING.
I AM A PRIVATE DETECTIVE AND I FOLLOWED SEVERAL STAGES TO EXPOSE THESE PEOPLE.NET DETECTIVE IS RUN BY E.JOHN STANLEY AND HIS WIFE DEBORAH &SILENT PARTNER SCOTT ADAMS THEY RESIDE AT 909 MCGREGOR AVE DELAND FL,32720

THEY LIVE IN A 325,000 $ ESTATE THIER REG BUISNESS NAME IN FLORIDA IS CYBERSPACE TO PARADISE INC.

I HAVE FILED REPORTS WITH SEVERAL STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCYS WITH NO RESULTS THESE PEOPLE AINT STUPID BUT THEY ARE GETTING RICHER MY INVESTIGATION IS STILL OPEN AND ONGOING AND I HOPE TO FIND WHAT ROCK THESE PEOPLE CRAWLED OUT OF.

SORRY FOR THE CAPITAL LETTERS

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Call or email to get this company offline

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 07, 2004

After doing what the EDitor of this website advised you to do, you can take it one step further if you want to help get this company offline.

I checked to see if I could find out more information on them. I kept checking domains and nameservers they were linked with, until I came up with their highest upline. UU.Net and newedgenetworks.com. I called techs from both companies and they confirmed to me that onlinedetective.com IS linked to them. This is what they told me to tell everyone who's been ripped off.

Here is some more information you will need:

netdetective.com is using the nameservers of: LOCKDOWN.WEBEXPRESS.COM and pipe.WEBEXPRESS.COM

Webexpress.com is using the nameservers of: LOCKDOWN.WEBEXPRESS.COM 216.216.89.206 and
PIPE.WEBEXPRESS.COM 65.218.246.114

Checking those IP numbers of their nameservers gets you to UU.Net from the 65.218.246.114 one. OrgName: UUNET Technologies, Inc. NetRange: 65.192.0.0 - 65.223.255.255

Email to security@uu.net and tell them what onlinedetective.com has done to you. Include all information you have to help them. UU.Net *CAN* take down onlinedetective's website if they get complaints about the abuse they are doing to people. UU.Net's number is: 1-800-900-0241.

The IP of 216.216.89.206 gets you to newedgenetworks.com. NetRange: 216.216.0.0 - 216.217.255.255 I talked to a tech there and he said calls can be made Mon - Fri during business hours (pacific time) to customer service at: 877-435-7950. They can take your complaints about onlinedetective.com and also hopefully shut them down. You can email abuse@transedge.com also to file a complaint with them against onlinedetective.com.

Onlinedetective is smart using two different ISP's for their uplines, it makes them harder to track. If one site gets shut off, they will still have the other going so they stay on the web. PLEASE make sure you complain to both UU.Net and newedgenetworks.com. Both companies are hosting their website and both will have to shut them.

As for onlinedetective itself, here is their whois info. I did not try to contact them, I didn't feel it would do any good, I went to the companies hosting their website instead, as that is where you can get the most help in getting them shut down. I did try to call webexpress.com, but it gives me what sounds like a personal cell phone's 'leave a message at the beep'.

onlinedetective.com

Domain Name.......... onlinedetective.com
Creation Date........ 1999-12-20
Registration Date.... 1999-12-20
Expiry Date.......... 2008-12-20
Organisation Name.... onlinedetective.com
Organisation Address. #26L 350 5th Ave Suite 3304
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. New York
Organisation Address. 10118-0069
Organisation Address. NY
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES

Admin Name........... Online Detective Software Division
Admin Address........ #26L 350 5th Ave Suite 3304
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ New York
Admin Address........ 10118-0069
Admin Address........ NY
Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... techsupport@onlinedetective.com
Admin Phone.......... +001.212-971-1305
Admin Fax............

Tech Name............ Webexpress Service Provider
Tech Address......... 9393 N 90st #102-125
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Scottsdale
Tech Address......... 85258
Tech Address......... AZ
Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
Tech Email........... support@webexpress.com
Tech Phone........... +001.480-6077105
Tech Fax.............
Name Server.......... LOCKDOWN.WEBEXPRESS.COM
Name Server.......... pipe.WEBEXPRESS.COM

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