OTB Management Scentura Fragrances, Brian Covington, Aileen Encina Scam, street peddling, pyramid scam, Internet

  Wow, its funny how every complaint is filled with the exact same information on how this company is a scam.  i was working with Exclusive Enterprises in Lakewood Colorado, and let me tell ya, everything bad people say about it is absoluetly true.  They promise you the world and deliver nothing.  They plead to us that we are not the sales people, that they have certain staffed people for that, yet every last one of us "trainees"  is sent out for longer then the class is to hustle perfume and cologne to people in parking lots and on the street.  Its rediculous and embarassing, not to mention you make basicaly nothing.  They tell you in the second interview that you will make an average of 250-400 a week.  that is complete and utter bull.  You make nothing pretty much and they try and use you to push FFAR.  Litteraly conning those closest to you to by this crap.  They tell youin the first day that they are gonna hold a contest, for $500 to whoever in the class sells the most.  and then give an unreachable number on how much the class neads to sell ina whole for someone to win it.  That way no one does, but they get free labor out of you.  Thats what this company is about, suckering inocent job seeking people into free labor for them.  I mean how can you even look at your self in the mirror when sending people out on the street to hustle for 5 hrs at a time. for little to no money. Terrible.  Not to mention your getting chased away by cops. and store employees.  Its funny, because while the people who run the office are talking to you, they make themselves look like such big timers, telling you what they drive, and the exuberantly nice things they have now.  how they now shop at Express...lolo!!!  are you serious right now?!!  Its so wrong what they do to people. They make you feel like youv made it by being called back, and make it seem like such a limited opportunity, and once ina lifetime, when in actuallity they are filtering new people or "FNP's"  in to "work every single freakn week!!  because of this, they get free labor out of everyone, and when people do eventually catch on to this pyramid scheme, and quit, they have a whole new slew of new people withbright hopes and dreams to completely take advantage of.  Its terrible because during the call they tell you not to quit or give up, and the people that do are "Blow outs" or "WPOS"  Weak Pieces Of s**t.  wow, really??  so if a singlemother quit because she needs to make money to support her children, and cant afford to give 9 hrs a day to this s**t place for no money, then shes a Week Piece Of s**t??  i dont think so.  Its horrible what they do to people here.  i emplore people to not fall for this crap, they will use you and eventually you will leave for not making any money.  They dont reimburse you with gas, even though they expect you to drive there everyday, as well as toat people across the state to peddle this rubbish in parking lots.  I cant even begin to explain how awful this place is, and how terrible people are who actually defend it.  On top of all of this....I met someone who worked for this company for 7 years, and he told me all the ins and outs of it.  He ran his own office for 7 years, so yeas you can eventually get one, if you do indeed sell enough of their product to payfor it, even though they say that they provide it for you. They dont.  Anyways, he said he made alittl ebit of money for a while, but the things he was doing to people just never sat well with him.  He says in order to make the company work, you have to pray on people, and basicly scam them into working for free, with the promise of more money an done day an office of your own.  After 7 years he couldnt do it anymore... Im glad he realized his wrongs, and quit and tried to rectify them by warning people everyday.  This place sucks, and everyone of this god forsaken places should be shut down and prossecuted.  harshly. Especially the office runners.  they tell you oyour only out in the field selling as a small part of it, just to get a feel for what it is, so you can learn it, except your out doing it every day, and slowly you learn everything revolves around you the sucker going out and selling these bottles.  your not on the computer, your not conducting interviews, and your only out selling crap.  Onother clever thing they do is, when they have new peeps come in for the 2-3 hr second interview, their is no one else their from the previous classes.  they send the Old Dogs out early so you arent getting the wrong idea. and actually think youve made it into something special.  Meanwhile the offices look shity with crap pictures on the wall, and old Tv's and computers, and awful unmatching chairs to sit in.  the office itself, if their making so much should at least have a tellivision from the last few years??  or even a CD player thats from this century.  Unbelievable.  I hope no body else falls victim to this scam. If you do im sorry.  These people will get ehats comming to them one day. Karma always comes full circle.

I'm sorry you're are unemployed.  But I feel more empathy for your family.  But if they think being unemployed is acceptable then that's the real problem.  But let me go through your post. 

1)  If what we did was illegal then we wouldn't be in business.  We've been in bussiness now for over 36 years. 

2)  The one thing you can't control in our business is the weather.  Get over it.  I've done sales when it's been 116 in Palm Springs CA.  And I've done it in -20 in St. Paul MN.  That's why I can look at my people and tell them they'll do good.  Because I've done 20 in all types of weather. 

3)  My turn in was $20 my first 3 weeks in this business and I still made the money I had to to survive. Go to work and quit cryin about it.  We tell you it's not a get rich quick program. 

4)  I don't know OTB but we are a wholesale company.  What do you think that means?  We manage distributors, what do you think that they do?  Sales is what we do!!!  Getting a office is not a dream in the bussiness if you've ever read any of these post you'll realize anyone who doesn't quit gets a office. But thats where this opportunity begins not where it ends. You go through the training to get the office. Which is the position we all applied for. Or else the beginning of the job. You didn't even make it more then a week. 

5)  You can go wherever YOU want to move the merch.  I believe we've advertised in 14 nationaly dist. "fashion" magazines.  We've been on Good Morning America or USA Today or whatever one of those shows.  And the rest has been cemented in word of mouth.  We've got clintele that has been buying the product for over 20 years.  1 in every 6 housholds has purchased our product in the U.S.  Seems pretty strong to me. 

And I'd rather not get into my opinion about blow-outs integrity.  Someone that'd rather be unemployed then be working.  Even if you were just doing sales once you got it you'd make over $300/wk even if you sucked!!  I've met distributors that have just been moving merch for over 15 years.  I've asked them why they don't want to run a office they don't want the responsibility.  Fair enough.  With more responsibility comes more opportunity.  You didn't take the opportunity serious and that was your choice.  Some of us did and we are doing alright.  I wish you good luck.  Be safe and god bless. 

Good Luck and Best Wishes

I just wanna let u know that I have been out of work for six months and I might be out of work for another six months. BUT I don't think my family, my children, or my household would approve in any shape, form or fashion if I was to be put in jail for pandering on the street. I do not mind working for mine AT ALL. I have done a little bit of everything to put food on my table. What I do have a problem with is BREAKING THE LAW, if you have enough SENSE to understand that, papa perfume. Any and every job that I have applied for and/or gotten never required me to be outside walking in the middle of Texas 100 degree weather, selling $20 bottles of perfume (NOT A DIME of which is coming into MY pocket) when I was ADAMANTLY PROMISED that this was NOT a sales position, nor ducking and dodging cops. Like I said before, if I was gonna be doing all that, I may as well be on the corner selling drugs or tail, and I guarantee you by the end of the day I would have more money than if I made a few "drops" for OTB.

I also am not in the habit of letting people use me. If OTB was such a credible company, why don't they have company cars for trainees to ride in using their gas and their insurance coverage? And if ya'll are so LEGIT, why can't I be at a credible place of business selling your perfume? Why can't I have a little shop at the mall, where people stop by WANTING to buy perfume, not getting HARRASSED by people on the street? And another thing, where is all the credible advertising for this company? If I actually WANTED to buy some of this perfume, where are your credible websites, or commercials? Why don't the OFFICE MANAGERS have cards that can be given out to the general public, if someone WANTED to buy this crap?

Please answer this for me papa perfume!

Oh, one more question, papa perfume: Why is my butt being put on the line and I am making money for the people running this office, but I'm not bringing home ONE DIME, all the while while I AM IN TRAINING!!!

Huh?

I am so glad for you that your life is peachy, and your household has two cars. But I SOOO not willing to sacrifice my intergrity for the sake of money. All money aint good money, and I don't know about YOU, papa perfume, but MY mother taught me right from wrong. And you're right I MAY be out of work another six months, but to me what OTB is offering is just not worth it to me.

Right on, Lionel. Was wondering what had happened to you. I will continue to search for this 'Jamie' and verify the information for myself. Good work, kid.

Papa Perfume's name is Jamie and he's a distributor in the Westport, Kansas City Area. So Now we can finally stop addressing him by his rediculous alias.

Thats right JAMIE! I now know who you are! You gave yourself away by getting so defensive over Ultimate Fragrance aka Five-Star aka Paradise Enterprises and posting on the complaints board but it was Ben your local perfume guy that gave you way. That doesnt change much; youre still a complete and total BSer and Scenutras Public Relations remains a complete and total joke.

For any newcomers to this site Jamie who calls himself Papa Perfume (a ridiculous name by the way) went back and forth with me for months!! In previous threads he admitted that some branch owners place purposefully misleading classified ads, he admitted that some owners do the business the wrong way then jumped right to their defense, he called people names when they gave him honest advice on how to repair his joke of a companys reputation, he dismissed a factual court case that ruled Scentura was a Pyramid Scheme by simply refusing to believe it and he admitted that he doesnt even use his real name in interviews and presentations. 

In addition Jamie has demonstrated his ignorance of the law in several instances. He said that 95% of all US cities do not require sales permits..WRONG! He said that he could have people arrested for slander/libel for typing on this site.. WRONG AGAIN!! He said people can go to jail for posting on this site. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!

Ignorance and brainwashing aside; you can choose to stick it out with this company if you wish but first let me compare their business practices to that of a normal business. Im not unemployed, Im not a blowout and yes I run my own business. My companys business practices are the norm at most organizations. I admit my benefits package is more generous than other companies but thats because I strive to maintain a low turnover rate.

I provide my employees with a full benefits package upon hire. Scentura provides none. I comp my sales people for ALL the miles they drive and expenses they incur on the job. Scentura comps nothing! When Im hiring for sales people I advertise for sales positions, when Im hiring for IT people I advertise for IT positions. Scentura advertises an extremely risky business opportunity as a management job. I hire people with experience in their respective fields. Scentura will hire any idiot off the street as long as they can be easily brainwashed or are just plain greedy.

Jamie I bet you didnt even watch the 9 news story on your buddy Chris the tax cheat, woman beater Westphal did you?

News Stories:

http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=86732794001#/News/Onyx+Wholesale/49906872001/50183015001/86732794001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nzij9QNYLs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paneyohWtGk

Court Case:

http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/AppellateCourt/2001/2ndDistrict/September/Html/2000964.htm

I have been able to substantiate absolutely every single claim I have made about your bullshit company from day one. That is why I can show my face and have zero fear I would ever get sued by people like you.

You, on the otherhand, can not substantiate anything. You claim to make all this money, claim to own all these cars, claim to have it all... well, since you seem to be so successful, let's see a detailed report on excatly who you are and where your Christian based business is. You DO remember on proclaiming to be such a GOOD CHRISTIAN, don't you? I can dig up the old posts if you forgot.

"Fakin' it Till You're Makin' It!

You've never made it and you'll never will. Larry Hahn is a freak of nature and you, personally, will never acheive his status. He'd kill you first. He doesn't want you to make it, he only wants your money. When will you understand this?

You will never be Larry Hahn. You are a third level con-man with very little options after everybody else catches on to you.

What you say now, fool?  

This business works if you work.  I've been in the business now over 6 years.  I'm getting ready to open up our fourth new promotion to the area in the last year.  My household just bought two new cars and life is peachy.  And you mam are unemployed. 

Yes we are a sales company.  Yes you have to complete training.  And Yes upon completion of training they will give you a office with no investment what so ever.  Now completing training doesn't grant you success but it gets your foot in the door.  It's better then being unemployed for 6 months.  Or in your case another 6 months. 

And I wouldn't feel so good about the club you are in.  Look at the picture of your fearless leader.  SCARY!!

Good Luck and Best Wishes

I have been on a mission for the last year to personally help ruin every Scentura office that I can. And I will never stop. Thank you for sharing your experience.

-Rio