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Complaint Review: Professional Marketing Group - PMG Mentors -Private Mentoring Group, Vermotion Secure Gate - Fortius - Provo Utah

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  • Professional Marketing Group - PMG Mentors -Private Mentoring Group, Vermotion Secure Gate - Fortius 5072 North 300 West Provo, Utah United States of America

I too have been scammed by PMG! My story is similar to everyone's.

*Consumer Comment: Wow, All of that

*Consumer Comment: Wow, All of that

*Consumer Comment: Wow, All of that

*Consumer Comment: Wow, All of that

*Consumer Suggestion: more info on PMG & how to file a complaint with State of Utah!

*Consumer Comment: Maybe some meds?

*Consumer Comment: Maybe some meds?

*Consumer Comment: Maybe some meds?

*Consumer Comment: Maybe some meds?

*Author of original report: National Security has been compromised. President Bush needs to step forward to show people that the Domestic Spy Program is a positive tool!

*Author of original report: Operation Firewall, Abel Danger, Domestic Spy Program violates CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

*Author of original report: Operation Firewall, Abel Danger, Domestic Spy Program violates CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

*Author of original report: Operation Firewall, Abel Danger, Domestic Spy Program violates CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

*Author of original report: Operation Firewall, Abel Danger, Domestic Spy Program violates CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: I'll stop "complaining" John, if you'll agree to stop engaging in taboo activities with your relatives.

*Consumer Suggestion: Who's The Whiner Here?

*Consumer Suggestion: Aaaaaaw, Is My Complaining All Of A Sudden Starting To Bother You Johnny?

*Consumer Suggestion: More Whining For John From Wantagh, New York. LOL.

*Consumer Comment: Please Stop your whining

*Consumer Suggestion: Absolutely Nothing Legitimate About This Program.

*Consumer Suggestion: Do We Have A Deal Mike Evans?

*Consumer Suggestion: Mike Evans Is A Piece Of $h!t.

*Consumer Comment: Code of Federal Regulations - Deceptive Telemarketing and Abusive Telemarketing

*Consumer Comment: Washington - Business Opportunity Fraud Act

*Consumer Suggestion: Rebuttals That Are Not Of Resolvement Are Meaningless.

*Consumer Comment: How do you keep these guys from yanking you around?

*Consumer Comment: Pattie & the FAA

*Author of original report: PMG or Prosper Learning, www.asiincentives.com , SelectYourGifts.com, Yourgiftcards.com, Pat Talerico AMERICAN SALES INDUSTRIES, John Beck.THE PLOT THICKENS REID!!!

*Consumer Comment: Is the Class Acction Law Suit really going in on this one? I'd like to join

*Consumer Suggestion: Please clarify relationship between the companies

*Consumer Comment: Another day, another name same rip-off = American Dream Challange, Inc. and are also doing business as Robert Allen Company, Prosper Learning and Multiple Streams of Income.

*Consumer Suggestion: Devin Has Proven What He's Peddling Fraudulent.

*Consumer Suggestion: LMAO At "Bend Over Buddy" Arron.

*Consumer Suggestion: Press Criminal Charges On The Individual, That's Personally Responsible For Ripping You Off.

*Consumer Comment: Here is a novel idea Devin

*Consumer Comment: Add To The List being 'interviewed' to decide if I was 'qualified'

*Consumer Suggestion: An Open Discussion With Devin. - WARNING: Disregard any and all rebuttals posted by Devin, along with any and all rebuttals posted by employees of the many fraudulent "mentoring" companies in question.

*Consumer Suggestion: An Open Discussion With Devin. - WARNING: Disregard any and all rebuttals posted by Devin, along with any and all rebuttals posted by employees of the many fraudulent "mentoring" companies in question.

*Consumer Suggestion: An Open Discussion With Devin. - WARNING: Disregard any and all rebuttals posted by Devin, along with any and all rebuttals posted by employees of the many fraudulent "mentoring" companies in question.

*Consumer Suggestion: We At Prosper Believe In Ripping Off As Many People As We Possibly Can!

*Consumer Suggestion: Prove Something Devin! Be More Willing! Are You Full Of $h!t?

*Author of original report: This is in response to Devin's ridiculous rebuttal! You did NOT answer any questions Devin! Are you afraid to put it in writing? Afraid it will be used against you in a court of law?

*Consumer Suggestion: Devin's Rebuttals Are Bull$h!t!

*UPDATE Employee: We at Prosper believe in being fair and honest

*Consumer Comment: What's going on behind the scenes?

*Consumer Comment: PMG is such a crock!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Come Up With Another Scam Already!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Gee, I Wonder Why John Beck Isn't Practicing Law? LOL.

*Consumer Suggestion: John Beck's Real Estate Programs Are Fraudulent!

*Author of original report: PMG, you reap what you soe or is it sow? (Quoting Arron or is it Aaron?) Next time PMG, pick a name you can spell!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Say Arron, Have You Enrolled Into The Fraudulent John Beck Program Yet? I Cannot Wait To Laugh!

*Consumer Suggestion: Shills Are Just Employees That Bend Over For Fraudulent Businesses.

*Consumer Suggestion: Shills Are Just Employees That Bend Over For Fraudulent Businesses.

*Consumer Suggestion: Shills Are Just Employees That Bend Over For Fraudulent Businesses.

*Consumer Suggestion: Prove Us Wrong Arron! Claims made by these fraudulent Real Estate "mentoring" companies are UNSUBSTANTIATED.

*Consumer Comment: It's Up To Individuals To Make The Most of Opportunities

*Consumer Suggestion: I'm On To Fraud, Like White On Rice And Flies To $hit!

*Author of original report: TIC-TOC TIC-TOC Your time is almost up PMG!!! PCS Professional Consulting Service, Summit Consulting, Mentoring of America, Amazing Profits, National Real Estate Investors Institute, National Training Conference, Netgateway, Inetseminars, etc. etc. etc.

*Consumer Suggestion: PMG Is Fraudulent!

*Consumer Comment: Response to Pattie's (PMG's General Counsel) Response

*Consumer Suggestion: John Beck Is A Shameless And Crooked Attorney!

*Consumer Suggestion: Just A Little John Beck Humour.

*Consumer Suggestion: Just A Little John Beck Humour.

*Consumer Suggestion: Just A Little John Beck Humour.

*Consumer Suggestion: Just A Little John Beck Humour.

*Consumer Comment: Federal Stautes Re Bait Advertising & Deception

*Consumer Suggestion: Possible Identity Theft.

*Consumer Suggestion: Possible Identity Theft.

*Consumer Suggestion: Possible Identity Theft.

*Consumer Suggestion: Possible Identity Theft.

*Consumer Comment: It seems that I may be WAKING UP people to the fact that they too might have been a VICTIM OF IDENTITY THEFT!

*Consumer Suggestion: Infomercials Are Scams.

*Consumer Suggestion: There's No Such Business Selling Legitimate Wealth Building Programs.

*Author of original report: Auctions for Income, NMR, IDI, Auctions 4 Income, Quicksite National Marketing Resources, National Marketing Resources, Iworks, Inc, Virtual Contact Inc, Paynet Merchant Services, Professional Marketing International, the list goes on & on & on & on ...

*Author of original report: EPI, epibiz, power profit system, mentors in motion, passport to millions, wealth and self, cash secrets, all names connected with Emerald Passport New Scam!

*Consumer Suggestion: All of the above fraudulent activities

*Consumer Suggestion: More Questions For Devin.

*Consumer Suggestion: Let's Be Very Open.

*Consumer Suggestion: To Peppermint Pattie: Silly Rabbit Tricks Are For Kids.

*UPDATE Employee: I am willing to answer all questions

*Consumer Suggestion: PMG And Mentoring In General Are All Scams.

*Author of original report: Emerald Passport, emeraldbiz.com ..This sounds like PMG all over!

*Author of original report: Emerald Passport, emeraldbiz.com ..This sounds like PMG all over!

*Author of original report: Emerald Passport, emeraldbiz.com ..This sounds like PMG all over!

*Author of original report: Emerald Passport, emeraldbiz.com ..This sounds like PMG all over!

*Author of original report: PMI, Robert Allen, auction secrets, auctionsecrets.com, brightbuilder.com, bright builders, foreclosures.com, foreclosures

*Consumer Suggestion: This Is Definitely A Scam.

*Consumer Comment: I am thankful I found this site

*UPDATE Employee: Truth is a casualty - blined by anger and frustratation

*Consumer Suggestion: Carlton Sheets: Sheet for brains.

*Consumer Suggestion: To Jean. Call your credit card company just as I did and dispute the transaction immediately.

*Consumer Suggestion: So, Loreen you are not the only one!

*Consumer Comment: Need advice, please respond!

*Consumer Suggestion: Mike Evans From The Fruadulent John Beck Team Is A Genetically Imbreded Cockroach.

*Consumer Suggestion: Mike Evans From The Fruadulent John Beck Team Is A Genetically Imbreded Cockroach.

*Consumer Suggestion: Mike Evans From The Fruadulent John Beck Team Is A Genetically Imbreded Cockroach.

*Consumer Suggestion: Mike Evans From The Fruadulent John Beck Team Is A Genetically Imbreded Cockroach.

*Consumer Suggestion: To Fudge Packing Peppermint Pattie.

*UPDATE Employee: Response to Laureen's subsequent posting

*Consumer Comment: I too enrolled in the real estate mentoring proram

*Author of original report: *New Name* PROSPER INC., Prosper Learning, prosperlearning.com, Old Names: pmgmentors.com, pmgicoaching.vermotion.net, pmgtech.com, multiple streams of income, PMI coaching, usight home inc., EPenzio, Russ Dalbey,Hacket Media,John Beck, Robert Allen, PMI

*Consumer Suggestion: COMMENT ON PMG, NADN & ORYAN MANAGEMENT

*UPDATE Employee: Response to Laureen's posting

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I too have been scammed by PMG! My story is similar to everyone's. After responding to an e-mail about a book from Jay Abramson, I received a phone call from PMG about what they had to offer me. After being laid up for 6 years with a bad back, I was looking to start a business from my home. An internet store seemed to be a viable solution.

After a long discussion with Kato Fakatoumafi, he tried to sign me up for an expensive program, $13000. I refused. Then he came back with a cheaper program. He explained that I would still receive some of the $13000 program benefits. He explained that the website would be mine to do with as I pleased. Therefore, I signed up for the $10000 program on my credit card.

They said they sent me their catalog and starter materials, which I never received. However, my credit card was charged immediately which meant my payment was due immediately but I was using "Other People's Money" (OPM).

I already had an idea for a website selling figure skating clothing, costumes, accessories, boots, blades, jewelry, harnesses, etc. So I would not be using their suppliers which meant that they would not get a kick back on any sales.

My package was to include the Vermotion web-builder, accounting software, e-zine marketing campaign, banner ads, pop-up ads, business coaching, search engine optimization, guaranteed hits, and their warranty of service. My contract reads, "The condition of our warranty is based on you keeping your commitments. If after six months from today you have not recouped your initial investment of $10,035.00, we will continue to work with you an additional six months until you have done so."

Then they gave me the link for the web builder. What they neglected to tell me was that I had to do all the designing and building of the site. I had to get all the contacts for suppliers and negotiate with them. Then I had a phone consultation with Lorin Hardy every week, which I did relgiously. Within 15 weeks, I had built my site. My coach was teaching me from their online tutorial.

What I was not told initally was that all of the help they were providing for a substantial fee for their coaching was all available FREE links to websites that provided the tools I needed. They did not provide any of the help themselves. In fact, I have copies of their online tutorials for anyone interested. If you can read, then you don't need their coaches.

PMG had started taking their hosting fee of $31.95 a month from the inception of the purchase not when the site was actually up and running. I later found out that I could not move the site to another server since their shopping cart only worked on theirs, therefore guaranteeing PMG $31.95 per month.

Then I decided to go with my local bank for my merchant. However, I had unbelievable problems with trying to connect it since PMG was pushing their merchant so they get their kick back. After being persistant with PMG and contact with the proper agency, I got the merchant of my choice, my local bank.

Then it came time for PMG to use Fortius to optimize my site. After six months of e-mails and phone calls, PMG did not live up to their marketing agreement. After spending hours on the phone with Kurt Brady, he offered to switch me to Secure Gate. I turned his offer down and asked for a refund. After Kurt hung up on the phone with me refusing to talk to me anymore, I contacted Devin, an owner of the company supposedly. He offered to give me a refund toward the marketing on the program. So I was refunded half of my initial investment. By now almost a year had past, and I still did NOT recoup my initial investment.

I did not even have an operational website

In the meantime, several months earlier, I had contacted my new marketing people, Netlinkz.net. They marketed and optimized my site to the best of their ability. However, PMG had lied to me telling me that this was a real website with HTML pages, when in fact only a few home pages were static; and the rest were dynamic or created on the fly. Therefore, it would be harder for search engines to pick up the pages since none of them were static.

Then in March of 2004, PMG planned to upgrade the Vermotion system. When they did, my site went down for weeks, then months. After numerous phone calls to them of which they never answered, I then called them non-stop every extension until I reached a live person. They assured me that everything was up and running. However, their website did not reflect that either, http://smedia.vermotion.com/media/5455/resources/devschedule.htm

All I knew was that no one could place any orders from my site for those 3 months. The shopping cart that I had purchased could not be supported on their new server. Also, once they said it was completed, they took the accounting and tracking software away from me. That was in my contract and was the one thing that helped me to decide on purchasing their product.

Customers e-mailed me saying they could not place orders, size and quantity selection boxes were messed up, orders were processed and lost but charged to their cards, and the list goes on!

After many more phone calls to PMG, they sent me an e-mail to sign, which I REFUSED! However, they sent me another partial refund check. I am not done with them yet. I am now looking for people to join me in a class action suit against PMG. I am not going to settle for their amount.

I want my full refund, as well as the doubling of my initial investment, as well as the cost of hiring someone new to reconstruct and move my website since their shopping cart was NOT compatible with any other server, and the lost sales for the down time, and something for the aggravation they put me through!!! PMG CANNOT change their minds as they go along. We had a contract, which PMG did NOT live up to! I will not let this issue go.

In fact, you would be interested to know that PMG probably purchased credit card information from members now arrested for trafficking over 1.7 million stolen credit card numbers. The hackers were targeting e-commerce sites. When PMG called me, they already knew how much I had available on my credit and how much was in my bank account. My identity was stolen last year and I believe yours might have been too.

No one can make you sign your rights away to sue them. In fact, there was nothing in my contract about any cancellation fee. PMG made up the rules as they went along. Percentages for cancellation vary amongst the people. Costs of the program vary based on how much credit you have available, how easily deceived you may be (if you aren't, they lower the price until you bite), and I can go on if you would like.

My next stop is the FTC and Attorney General. I think with all of my documentation, they will have a field day with PMG. Remember, my identity was stolen because my computer was hacked. PMG, the FBI and Secret Service have caught the hackers and have taken their computers. Eventually, the road will lead to justice. I suggest you turn yourselves in if you had any illegal dealings in securing names and financial information of your targeted victims.

Anyone interested in going to the FTC with me, please contact me by replying to this post. It does not matter that you signed a piece of "illegal" paper with PMG not to pursue them. I NEVER signed one. Even if you did, you cannot sign your rights away. In fact, you may be entitled to a full refund. Anyone following in my lead is welcome to join in the pursuit of justice.

Laureen Windham, New York
U.S.A.

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#103 Consumer Comment

Wow, All of that

AUTHOR: Chuck - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, August 07, 2006

Wow laureen, hope i spelled it right, if not, im sorry, its late, i was watching tv att he same time i was reading this thred and the carlton sheets program came on tv, i was doing some research on the matter, cause i was thinking about doing it, glad i researched, as of your last post, hope everything is going ok. i cant believe that you went threw all that trouble just to get your money back, its a prime example of what you have to do to get your life back after being scammed. as per something that reid wrote, i have always wondered myself, i remember first thinking about it way back yonder while watching an infomercial for smc, and the lady coach is goin on talking about how great this student was doing and talkinga bout there success stories for them, at that point, i wondered, if this is so great and all that, why isnt all those employess on the phones in the background not on the wagon and doing the product.

If you laureen, check this post from time to time, update it with your current situation, like, did you finally get your money back.

One thing i kinda knew from the start is that there has gotta be some sort of fraud at play here. anywho, im off to bed

Guten Nacht Nacht =)

chuckles

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#102 Consumer Comment

Wow, All of that

AUTHOR: Chuck - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, August 07, 2006

Wow laureen, hope i spelled it right, if not, im sorry, its late, i was watching tv att he same time i was reading this thred and the carlton sheets program came on tv, i was doing some research on the matter, cause i was thinking about doing it, glad i researched, as of your last post, hope everything is going ok. i cant believe that you went threw all that trouble just to get your money back, its a prime example of what you have to do to get your life back after being scammed. as per something that reid wrote, i have always wondered myself, i remember first thinking about it way back yonder while watching an infomercial for smc, and the lady coach is goin on talking about how great this student was doing and talkinga bout there success stories for them, at that point, i wondered, if this is so great and all that, why isnt all those employess on the phones in the background not on the wagon and doing the product.

If you laureen, check this post from time to time, update it with your current situation, like, did you finally get your money back.

One thing i kinda knew from the start is that there has gotta be some sort of fraud at play here. anywho, im off to bed

Guten Nacht Nacht =)

chuckles

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#101 Consumer Comment

Wow, All of that

AUTHOR: Chuck - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, August 07, 2006

Wow laureen, hope i spelled it right, if not, im sorry, its late, i was watching tv att he same time i was reading this thred and the carlton sheets program came on tv, i was doing some research on the matter, cause i was thinking about doing it, glad i researched, as of your last post, hope everything is going ok. i cant believe that you went threw all that trouble just to get your money back, its a prime example of what you have to do to get your life back after being scammed. as per something that reid wrote, i have always wondered myself, i remember first thinking about it way back yonder while watching an infomercial for smc, and the lady coach is goin on talking about how great this student was doing and talkinga bout there success stories for them, at that point, i wondered, if this is so great and all that, why isnt all those employess on the phones in the background not on the wagon and doing the product.

If you laureen, check this post from time to time, update it with your current situation, like, did you finally get your money back.

One thing i kinda knew from the start is that there has gotta be some sort of fraud at play here. anywho, im off to bed

Guten Nacht Nacht =)

chuckles

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#100 Consumer Comment

Wow, All of that

AUTHOR: Chuck - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, August 07, 2006

Wow laureen, hope i spelled it right, if not, im sorry, its late, i was watching tv att he same time i was reading this thred and the carlton sheets program came on tv, i was doing some research on the matter, cause i was thinking about doing it, glad i researched, as of your last post, hope everything is going ok. i cant believe that you went threw all that trouble just to get your money back, its a prime example of what you have to do to get your life back after being scammed. as per something that reid wrote, i have always wondered myself, i remember first thinking about it way back yonder while watching an infomercial for smc, and the lady coach is goin on talking about how great this student was doing and talkinga bout there success stories for them, at that point, i wondered, if this is so great and all that, why isnt all those employess on the phones in the background not on the wagon and doing the product.

If you laureen, check this post from time to time, update it with your current situation, like, did you finally get your money back.

One thing i kinda knew from the start is that there has gotta be some sort of fraud at play here. anywho, im off to bed

Guten Nacht Nacht =)

chuckles

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#99 Consumer Suggestion

more info on PMG & how to file a complaint with State of Utah!

AUTHOR: Roger - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 02, 2006

A little bit of further info, in case it helps any of who have been ripped off.

#1 --
Doing a 'whois' search on the domains PMGMENTORS.COM & PROSPERLEARNING.COM shows that both belong to:

Registrant:
Ware Holdings
5072 N. 300 W. Suite 240
Provo, UT 84604
US
(801) 437-5915

The technical contact for both domains shows a domain of warehd.com.

Try http://www.warehd.com and you'll find what looks like another get-rich-quick scam with Robert Allen listed.

Hope this helps anybody researching PMG or Prosper Learning or Ware Holdings. They all seem to be the same company according to these domain registrations.

You can check it yourself by going to any "whois lookup" website such as http://whois.godaddy.com


#2 --
If the contracts that you've signed with PMG or Prosper Learning (or any of their names) are not in compliance with Utah state law regarding sales of business opportunities then you can file a complaint with the Utah Department of Commerce's Division of Consumer Protection. Even though the companies say they're selling educational products and services, it sounds like from what y'all are saying that their sales guys are pushing a business opportunity through high pressure tactics.

So here are links to the business opportunity laws and the complaint form:
* http://www.commerce.utah.gov/dcp/en...nt/statute.html
* http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE13/13_12.htm Specifically click links to read sections 13-15-4 and 13-15-5.

If you feel you've been misled then the right thing to do is to file a complaint, no matter how long ago it was, in order to protect the public
* http://www.commerce.utah.gov/dcp/en.../complaint.html

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#98 Consumer Comment

Maybe some meds?

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 01, 2006

OMIGOD - just when things were going so well.

You people need medication - YIKES!!

Seriously, Loreen, this was a thread that was giving me lots of good, albeit discouraging, info on these scammers. Then suddenly we're in the last act of "Conspiracy Theory".

And Reid - Bubbeh, what can I say? I'm sure you have a lot of righteous ire over these guys, but 3 words: Anger Management Therapy.

While I appreciate your info, you post it OVER and OVER - often with no intervening posts - in the same thread. "ALL mentoring programs are SCAMS - there's no PROOF of any of their claims!" Alright, we get it, already!

Also, while I'm an ardent advocate of self-expression, your obsessive accusations toward any dissenters of sexual perversion, scatalogical references, and above all your raging homophobia, tend to diminish your credibility. (I'm sure you'll now accuse me of something colorful yet disgusting.)

You're both expending so much time and energy on this, and these schmucks AREN'T WORTH IT!! You may have gotten your money back, but you've let them steal your peace of mind. Please try and reclaim it; like the proverb says, "Living well is the best revenge." In Hawaii, Reid, you're surrounded by beauty (gotta scrape up enough $ to get back there!); blow it off, log off, and get out in the sun for awhile - just a suggestion.

I've inherited one of Dalbey's programs from my mom - scamming 82-yr-old widows is part of their repertoire - will report on my progress.

Lox and Knishes - CY

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#97 Consumer Comment

Maybe some meds?

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 01, 2006

OMIGOD - just when things were going so well.

You people need medication - YIKES!!

Seriously, Loreen, this was a thread that was giving me lots of good, albeit discouraging, info on these scammers. Then suddenly we're in the last act of "Conspiracy Theory".

And Reid - Bubbeh, what can I say? I'm sure you have a lot of righteous ire over these guys, but 3 words: Anger Management Therapy.

While I appreciate your info, you post it OVER and OVER - often with no intervening posts - in the same thread. "ALL mentoring programs are SCAMS - there's no PROOF of any of their claims!" Alright, we get it, already!

Also, while I'm an ardent advocate of self-expression, your obsessive accusations toward any dissenters of sexual perversion, scatalogical references, and above all your raging homophobia, tend to diminish your credibility. (I'm sure you'll now accuse me of something colorful yet disgusting.)

You're both expending so much time and energy on this, and these schmucks AREN'T WORTH IT!! You may have gotten your money back, but you've let them steal your peace of mind. Please try and reclaim it; like the proverb says, "Living well is the best revenge." In Hawaii, Reid, you're surrounded by beauty (gotta scrape up enough $ to get back there!); blow it off, log off, and get out in the sun for awhile - just a suggestion.

I've inherited one of Dalbey's programs from my mom - scamming 82-yr-old widows is part of their repertoire - will report on my progress.

Lox and Knishes - CY

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#96 Consumer Comment

Maybe some meds?

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 01, 2006

OMIGOD - just when things were going so well.

You people need medication - YIKES!!

Seriously, Loreen, this was a thread that was giving me lots of good, albeit discouraging, info on these scammers. Then suddenly we're in the last act of "Conspiracy Theory".

And Reid - Bubbeh, what can I say? I'm sure you have a lot of righteous ire over these guys, but 3 words: Anger Management Therapy.

While I appreciate your info, you post it OVER and OVER - often with no intervening posts - in the same thread. "ALL mentoring programs are SCAMS - there's no PROOF of any of their claims!" Alright, we get it, already!

Also, while I'm an ardent advocate of self-expression, your obsessive accusations toward any dissenters of sexual perversion, scatalogical references, and above all your raging homophobia, tend to diminish your credibility. (I'm sure you'll now accuse me of something colorful yet disgusting.)

You're both expending so much time and energy on this, and these schmucks AREN'T WORTH IT!! You may have gotten your money back, but you've let them steal your peace of mind. Please try and reclaim it; like the proverb says, "Living well is the best revenge." In Hawaii, Reid, you're surrounded by beauty (gotta scrape up enough $ to get back there!); blow it off, log off, and get out in the sun for awhile - just a suggestion.

I've inherited one of Dalbey's programs from my mom - scamming 82-yr-old widows is part of their repertoire - will report on my progress.

Lox and Knishes - CY

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#95 Consumer Comment

Maybe some meds?

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 01, 2006

OMIGOD - just when things were going so well.

You people need medication - YIKES!!

Seriously, Loreen, this was a thread that was giving me lots of good, albeit discouraging, info on these scammers. Then suddenly we're in the last act of "Conspiracy Theory".

And Reid - Bubbeh, what can I say? I'm sure you have a lot of righteous ire over these guys, but 3 words: Anger Management Therapy.

While I appreciate your info, you post it OVER and OVER - often with no intervening posts - in the same thread. "ALL mentoring programs are SCAMS - there's no PROOF of any of their claims!" Alright, we get it, already!

Also, while I'm an ardent advocate of self-expression, your obsessive accusations toward any dissenters of sexual perversion, scatalogical references, and above all your raging homophobia, tend to diminish your credibility. (I'm sure you'll now accuse me of something colorful yet disgusting.)

You're both expending so much time and energy on this, and these schmucks AREN'T WORTH IT!! You may have gotten your money back, but you've let them steal your peace of mind. Please try and reclaim it; like the proverb says, "Living well is the best revenge." In Hawaii, Reid, you're surrounded by beauty (gotta scrape up enough $ to get back there!); blow it off, log off, and get out in the sun for awhile - just a suggestion.

I've inherited one of Dalbey's programs from my mom - scamming 82-yr-old widows is part of their repertoire - will report on my progress.

Lox and Knishes - CY

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#94 Author of original report

National Security has been compromised. President Bush needs to step forward to show people that the Domestic Spy Program is a positive tool!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 27, 2006

You will not believe what has happened to me in the past few days. I posted an update to my page here on Monday. In the text, I mentioned that I had evidence on my computer.

When I arrived home from work on Tuesday, the following day, I had found out that my whole hard drive, the CPU, had been stolen. How convenient that it was stolen the day after my posting.

I am happy to report that the police are investigating. I even tried calling the White House to let them know about the theft. However, it does not seem important enough for the President or one of his associates to return my call.

However, he should be concerned. There was a program on my hard drive from the government, one that is only used and developed by the government and cannot get into the hands of the terrorists. This program I used during the investigation. I was told not to pass it along to anyone outside the country, which no one has to worry about since I have no dealings with anyone outside the country.

I do believe that there are many good people in the government that did what was right to help me. However, some wrong people got involved along the way, including someone who read this posting on Monday.

Unknowingly, my neighbor had installed surveillance cameras several months earlier. The tape has been turned over to the police.

I am begging President Bush to step forward and do what is right. Even though my civil rights were violated by the U.S. government, at this time the NSA can do what is right and reverse the situation. Satellite pictures of my house can prove who is guilty and who is not involved.

Initially, when I believed that I was in the Witness Protection Program, I did not have any problem with the government listening in on my phone lines, watching my home and work from satellites, and the body guards who were following me since I believed that all of this was being done in order to protect me. If you are doing what is right, there is no reason to feel like any of this would infringe on your rights.

Unfortunately, someone had leaked my name and information to the wrong people. I have had so many contradictory reports from the government's people.

I appreciated that the President told me yesterday in his speech, that he is behind full disclosure of what is going on in the White House. He was very positive about the domestic spy program. Now he has the opportunity to step forward and put his actions behind his words. I believe that he will do this.

If they were in my shoes, they would realize that I am frustrated since I cannot seem to get justice. An apology would be sufficient.

By the way, the government can find my computer easily. The program on it reports to the government every time the computer goes online. I am begging President Bush to step forward and show the people that the N.S.A. and domestic spy program can be used for something good.

I baited the bad people by saying this information was all on my computer. It worked. I had to do this to get the attention of President Bush. They took the bait and stole my hard drive. I hope they are not disappointed since any pertinent information was encrypted. Most of my hard drive had been backed up. There was nothing of any significance on the hard drive. Most of my documentation is spread out with many people. I am not stupid like they thought I would be. I told them exactly what I wanted them to believe just as I did the hackers, and they fell for it. Now they will get caught!

Happily, I can say they will be highly disappointed with their lack of findings. The coded e-mails, disguised as spam, cannot be interpreted by anyone else except the government and me. It will not mean anything to them without the backup documentation that is NOT on the computer. I would like for President Bush or his associate to contact me to work with me just as we had over the past three years. A lot of positive things has resulted from it.

The only thing I would have done differently if I were the government was to deal with me directly and not through anyone. They would have been surprised that I would have agreed to it. In fact, the terrorists never stopped my communication with the government. I needed them to think they did so they could leave me alone.

The program that is on my machine can be used to trace who and where they are. There is also the option of shutting the program down by destroying it from the Government's end to maintain National Security.

We need to maintain dialogue. The terrorists are crafty but are no challenge to my criminal law education. Please contact me in writing or by phone, and I will be happy to continue our dialogue as we had previously. That way they have no clue as to what is going on at all since they cannot understand the coded language that we used.

By the way, check the phone calls I have received from so many so-called mortgage brokers of which some are the enemy. They were trying to pick my brain for knowledge and what I thought about the U.S. government. So I told them what I needed them to believe.

Please monitor my credit report as all of my personal information was on my computer and the wrong people are watching it.

These people are counting on breaking my communication with the government.

I need for everyone to know that I never had any dealings knowingly with anyone who was a terrorist. However, a file worth $140,000,000, which the terrorists believed I had, attracted many of them around me in many different forms. They tried poison, incarceration, and killing me. Nothing has worked. In fact, their plan backfired.

The only way to beat the terrorists is first to learn how they think and work. Once you do that, they cannot control your mind and terrorize you. They lost! LOL I do NOT mind being their bait, (evidently they are attracted to the package)! LOL They cannot get to me. Sometimes the best way to get into their minds is to make them think they got something they were after.

I will keep everyone updated.

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#93 Author of original report

Operation Firewall, Abel Danger, Domestic Spy Program violates CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 22, 2006

I am back, PMG! (Actually, I never left.)

This is to update everyone who is involved in these scams.

Cases as big as this one take time to get to the bottom of. Happily, I can report that my people have been very aggressive in this investigation. There are 1000's of people working on this case. Let me fill you all in on a few things.

In April of 2003, I had discovered that my computer had been hacked. When the police told me that it would take 3 months before they could look at my case, I decided to take matters into my own hands by starting my own investigation. The hackers started contacting me through instant messages trying to play head games with me by telling me that they were stalking me. I then went on a mission to learn how hackers work, the programs used, how they think, etc. to figure out whom and how this was being done. I met this one computer programmer who changed my life. He had all the right connections.

The investigation ended up putting me into the witness protection program, the watchful eye version. I had never heard of this division before. Actually it ended up being another term for the domestic spy program. The only reason it was watchful eye is because they thought I was having dealings with terrorists overseas? I never had phone service for international calls my whole life and do not know anyone living overseas and do not know any terrorist! In fact, the only people they were spying on were two, honest, American citizens. Our CIVIL rights as well as the rights of 1000's of American people have been VIOLATED right by our own American government. My people all have the proof of this!

In June of 2003, they code named the investigation operation firewall, case number SSC_2003R01260.

Happily, I can report that over 62000 people were arrested as a result of the investigation. Over 4000 investigations spawned off the original one. Some cases are still ongoing. Many new laws, hundreds, have been put on the books for computer internet crimes and identity theft. However, some of the people who are supposed to enforce these new laws are the ones actually behind the identity theft themselves. We know who they are!

This took me 3 pain staking years of hours upon hours, night after night, on the computer to figure out who and what and how it was all being done. As a result, I have lost a ton money in actual losses, time, and lost business and wages. Yet my people have saved the US government and insurance companies, and credit card companies over $265 billion a year of theft and not even a thank you!

I realize that writing this report online and posting it VOIDS any so-called protection I was supposedly under. In fact, I never saw any agreement or anything in writing from them. However, I have e-mails from the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation), CIA (Central Intelligence Agency, DOJ (Department of Justice), United States Security and Exchange Commission, SSC (Secret Service Commission) etc., In fact, I received correspondence directly from my protectors speaking to me through text taken from websites. When someone is in the witness program, they are not supposed to be in contact with the person. BIG MISTAKE! Also, I had a visit to my house by one of the protectors guised under another identity. However, he used his real credit card number, address and phone number which gave me his real identity. A simple Google search resulted in more information. It was not until later in the year that I mentioned the name of this guy to my computer guy who told me that he was the head of the Department of Justice who was heading my case. This was the same guy who tried to set up my computer guy to testify! Come to find out, he was put up to this by someone else. The government then took him out of the DOJ and placed him in one of those secret torture prisons. (If I were you, I would let him out now before we rescue him out of your prison.)

I would also like Google to know that the government already controls your search engine. Proof is on my computer! They used your search engine and stories to communicate information to me so that I could help them with their investigation. In fact, several TV shows, such as TNT show called The Closer which is based after myself and my experiences, all has been done without my consent. A reward was never offered. Instead, multiple DEATH ATTMEPTS have been made on my life. Going public is the only way to stay safe at this moment.

Anyway, in the middle of the investigation, they came across a file in one of the hackers computers. This file contained all of the security identification plates as well as money plates for the whole world! This included the plates used to make badges for the FBI, CIA, DOJ, USSEC, UN etc as well as the plates used for identification cards for Department of Motor Vehicles, Social Services, Social Security, etc. The code name for this investigation was Abel Danger.

The file had been handed over to the US government. However, the key for the file was handed over to the United Nations who had purchased the file on the black market illegally. Without the key, the file was useless to the United States government. Therefore, President Bush made an agreement with the United Nations to purchase the key and not press any charges against the U.N. for the theft. The file was originally purchased by the U.N. for $140,000,000 on the black market. The United States wanted to make sure that the file was returned in its entirety. The U.N. was also really hurting for money, so they made a deal with the U.S. to sell them the key. (Follow the money trail) Everything comes down to greed when it comes to crime. What a motive for death attempts!

Upon opening the file, they discovered it was the full version, but the text containing who owned the file was missing. That made them nervous that someone else knew about the illegal ownership of the file. Therefore, the U.S. went out and hired hit men to come after me. I had been given a copy of the file from my computer guy just in case something was to happen to him. Then I could go PUBLIC to expose them. However, that did not happen either. (Don't you know who you are fighting?)

I am in the witness protection plan now but not the one from the U.S. government! No one can even get anywhere close to me to hurt me. The only reason they sealed operation firewall and classified my name was to shut me up and not come forward with the story and protect their indiscretions.

The PMG scam resulted as an investigation from Operation Firewall. Since the investigation is ongoing at this moment, I cannot go into the details, but I will make sure everyone knows as soon as possible.

Any reporters interested in seeking the full version of the story are welcome to contact me.

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Operation Firewall, Abel Danger, Domestic Spy Program violates CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 22, 2006

I am back, PMG! (Actually, I never left.)

This is to update everyone who is involved in these scams.

Cases as big as this one take time to get to the bottom of. Happily, I can report that my people have been very aggressive in this investigation. There are 1000's of people working on this case. Let me fill you all in on a few things.

In April of 2003, I had discovered that my computer had been hacked. When the police told me that it would take 3 months before they could look at my case, I decided to take matters into my own hands by starting my own investigation. The hackers started contacting me through instant messages trying to play head games with me by telling me that they were stalking me. I then went on a mission to learn how hackers work, the programs used, how they think, etc. to figure out whom and how this was being done. I met this one computer programmer who changed my life. He had all the right connections.

The investigation ended up putting me into the witness protection program, the watchful eye version. I had never heard of this division before. Actually it ended up being another term for the domestic spy program. The only reason it was watchful eye is because they thought I was having dealings with terrorists overseas? I never had phone service for international calls my whole life and do not know anyone living overseas and do not know any terrorist! In fact, the only people they were spying on were two, honest, American citizens. Our CIVIL rights as well as the rights of 1000's of American people have been VIOLATED right by our own American government. My people all have the proof of this!

In June of 2003, they code named the investigation operation firewall, case number SSC_2003R01260.

Happily, I can report that over 62000 people were arrested as a result of the investigation. Over 4000 investigations spawned off the original one. Some cases are still ongoing. Many new laws, hundreds, have been put on the books for computer internet crimes and identity theft. However, some of the people who are supposed to enforce these new laws are the ones actually behind the identity theft themselves. We know who they are!

This took me 3 pain staking years of hours upon hours, night after night, on the computer to figure out who and what and how it was all being done. As a result, I have lost a ton money in actual losses, time, and lost business and wages. Yet my people have saved the US government and insurance companies, and credit card companies over $265 billion a year of theft and not even a thank you!

I realize that writing this report online and posting it VOIDS any so-called protection I was supposedly under. In fact, I never saw any agreement or anything in writing from them. However, I have e-mails from the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation), CIA (Central Intelligence Agency, DOJ (Department of Justice), United States Security and Exchange Commission, SSC (Secret Service Commission) etc., In fact, I received correspondence directly from my protectors speaking to me through text taken from websites. When someone is in the witness program, they are not supposed to be in contact with the person. BIG MISTAKE! Also, I had a visit to my house by one of the protectors guised under another identity. However, he used his real credit card number, address and phone number which gave me his real identity. A simple Google search resulted in more information. It was not until later in the year that I mentioned the name of this guy to my computer guy who told me that he was the head of the Department of Justice who was heading my case. This was the same guy who tried to set up my computer guy to testify! Come to find out, he was put up to this by someone else. The government then took him out of the DOJ and placed him in one of those secret torture prisons. (If I were you, I would let him out now before we rescue him out of your prison.)

I would also like Google to know that the government already controls your search engine. Proof is on my computer! They used your search engine and stories to communicate information to me so that I could help them with their investigation. In fact, several TV shows, such as TNT show called The Closer which is based after myself and my experiences, all has been done without my consent. A reward was never offered. Instead, multiple DEATH ATTMEPTS have been made on my life. Going public is the only way to stay safe at this moment.

Anyway, in the middle of the investigation, they came across a file in one of the hackers computers. This file contained all of the security identification plates as well as money plates for the whole world! This included the plates used to make badges for the FBI, CIA, DOJ, USSEC, UN etc as well as the plates used for identification cards for Department of Motor Vehicles, Social Services, Social Security, etc. The code name for this investigation was Abel Danger.

The file had been handed over to the US government. However, the key for the file was handed over to the United Nations who had purchased the file on the black market illegally. Without the key, the file was useless to the United States government. Therefore, President Bush made an agreement with the United Nations to purchase the key and not press any charges against the U.N. for the theft. The file was originally purchased by the U.N. for $140,000,000 on the black market. The United States wanted to make sure that the file was returned in its entirety. The U.N. was also really hurting for money, so they made a deal with the U.S. to sell them the key. (Follow the money trail) Everything comes down to greed when it comes to crime. What a motive for death attempts!

Upon opening the file, they discovered it was the full version, but the text containing who owned the file was missing. That made them nervous that someone else knew about the illegal ownership of the file. Therefore, the U.S. went out and hired hit men to come after me. I had been given a copy of the file from my computer guy just in case something was to happen to him. Then I could go PUBLIC to expose them. However, that did not happen either. (Don't you know who you are fighting?)

I am in the witness protection plan now but not the one from the U.S. government! No one can even get anywhere close to me to hurt me. The only reason they sealed operation firewall and classified my name was to shut me up and not come forward with the story and protect their indiscretions.

The PMG scam resulted as an investigation from Operation Firewall. Since the investigation is ongoing at this moment, I cannot go into the details, but I will make sure everyone knows as soon as possible.

Any reporters interested in seeking the full version of the story are welcome to contact me.

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Operation Firewall, Abel Danger, Domestic Spy Program violates CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 22, 2006

I am back, PMG! (Actually, I never left.)

This is to update everyone who is involved in these scams.

Cases as big as this one take time to get to the bottom of. Happily, I can report that my people have been very aggressive in this investigation. There are 1000's of people working on this case. Let me fill you all in on a few things.

In April of 2003, I had discovered that my computer had been hacked. When the police told me that it would take 3 months before they could look at my case, I decided to take matters into my own hands by starting my own investigation. The hackers started contacting me through instant messages trying to play head games with me by telling me that they were stalking me. I then went on a mission to learn how hackers work, the programs used, how they think, etc. to figure out whom and how this was being done. I met this one computer programmer who changed my life. He had all the right connections.

The investigation ended up putting me into the witness protection program, the watchful eye version. I had never heard of this division before. Actually it ended up being another term for the domestic spy program. The only reason it was watchful eye is because they thought I was having dealings with terrorists overseas? I never had phone service for international calls my whole life and do not know anyone living overseas and do not know any terrorist! In fact, the only people they were spying on were two, honest, American citizens. Our CIVIL rights as well as the rights of 1000's of American people have been VIOLATED right by our own American government. My people all have the proof of this!

In June of 2003, they code named the investigation operation firewall, case number SSC_2003R01260.

Happily, I can report that over 62000 people were arrested as a result of the investigation. Over 4000 investigations spawned off the original one. Some cases are still ongoing. Many new laws, hundreds, have been put on the books for computer internet crimes and identity theft. However, some of the people who are supposed to enforce these new laws are the ones actually behind the identity theft themselves. We know who they are!

This took me 3 pain staking years of hours upon hours, night after night, on the computer to figure out who and what and how it was all being done. As a result, I have lost a ton money in actual losses, time, and lost business and wages. Yet my people have saved the US government and insurance companies, and credit card companies over $265 billion a year of theft and not even a thank you!

I realize that writing this report online and posting it VOIDS any so-called protection I was supposedly under. In fact, I never saw any agreement or anything in writing from them. However, I have e-mails from the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation), CIA (Central Intelligence Agency, DOJ (Department of Justice), United States Security and Exchange Commission, SSC (Secret Service Commission) etc., In fact, I received correspondence directly from my protectors speaking to me through text taken from websites. When someone is in the witness program, they are not supposed to be in contact with the person. BIG MISTAKE! Also, I had a visit to my house by one of the protectors guised under another identity. However, he used his real credit card number, address and phone number which gave me his real identity. A simple Google search resulted in more information. It was not until later in the year that I mentioned the name of this guy to my computer guy who told me that he was the head of the Department of Justice who was heading my case. This was the same guy who tried to set up my computer guy to testify! Come to find out, he was put up to this by someone else. The government then took him out of the DOJ and placed him in one of those secret torture prisons. (If I were you, I would let him out now before we rescue him out of your prison.)

I would also like Google to know that the government already controls your search engine. Proof is on my computer! They used your search engine and stories to communicate information to me so that I could help them with their investigation. In fact, several TV shows, such as TNT show called The Closer which is based after myself and my experiences, all has been done without my consent. A reward was never offered. Instead, multiple DEATH ATTMEPTS have been made on my life. Going public is the only way to stay safe at this moment.

Anyway, in the middle of the investigation, they came across a file in one of the hackers computers. This file contained all of the security identification plates as well as money plates for the whole world! This included the plates used to make badges for the FBI, CIA, DOJ, USSEC, UN etc as well as the plates used for identification cards for Department of Motor Vehicles, Social Services, Social Security, etc. The code name for this investigation was Abel Danger.

The file had been handed over to the US government. However, the key for the file was handed over to the United Nations who had purchased the file on the black market illegally. Without the key, the file was useless to the United States government. Therefore, President Bush made an agreement with the United Nations to purchase the key and not press any charges against the U.N. for the theft. The file was originally purchased by the U.N. for $140,000,000 on the black market. The United States wanted to make sure that the file was returned in its entirety. The U.N. was also really hurting for money, so they made a deal with the U.S. to sell them the key. (Follow the money trail) Everything comes down to greed when it comes to crime. What a motive for death attempts!

Upon opening the file, they discovered it was the full version, but the text containing who owned the file was missing. That made them nervous that someone else knew about the illegal ownership of the file. Therefore, the U.S. went out and hired hit men to come after me. I had been given a copy of the file from my computer guy just in case something was to happen to him. Then I could go PUBLIC to expose them. However, that did not happen either. (Don't you know who you are fighting?)

I am in the witness protection plan now but not the one from the U.S. government! No one can even get anywhere close to me to hurt me. The only reason they sealed operation firewall and classified my name was to shut me up and not come forward with the story and protect their indiscretions.

The PMG scam resulted as an investigation from Operation Firewall. Since the investigation is ongoing at this moment, I cannot go into the details, but I will make sure everyone knows as soon as possible.

Any reporters interested in seeking the full version of the story are welcome to contact me.

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Operation Firewall, Abel Danger, Domestic Spy Program violates CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 22, 2006

I am back, PMG! (Actually, I never left.)

This is to update everyone who is involved in these scams.

Cases as big as this one take time to get to the bottom of. Happily, I can report that my people have been very aggressive in this investigation. There are 1000's of people working on this case. Let me fill you all in on a few things.

In April of 2003, I had discovered that my computer had been hacked. When the police told me that it would take 3 months before they could look at my case, I decided to take matters into my own hands by starting my own investigation. The hackers started contacting me through instant messages trying to play head games with me by telling me that they were stalking me. I then went on a mission to learn how hackers work, the programs used, how they think, etc. to figure out whom and how this was being done. I met this one computer programmer who changed my life. He had all the right connections.

The investigation ended up putting me into the witness protection program, the watchful eye version. I had never heard of this division before. Actually it ended up being another term for the domestic spy program. The only reason it was watchful eye is because they thought I was having dealings with terrorists overseas? I never had phone service for international calls my whole life and do not know anyone living overseas and do not know any terrorist! In fact, the only people they were spying on were two, honest, American citizens. Our CIVIL rights as well as the rights of 1000's of American people have been VIOLATED right by our own American government. My people all have the proof of this!

In June of 2003, they code named the investigation operation firewall, case number SSC_2003R01260.

Happily, I can report that over 62000 people were arrested as a result of the investigation. Over 4000 investigations spawned off the original one. Some cases are still ongoing. Many new laws, hundreds, have been put on the books for computer internet crimes and identity theft. However, some of the people who are supposed to enforce these new laws are the ones actually behind the identity theft themselves. We know who they are!

This took me 3 pain staking years of hours upon hours, night after night, on the computer to figure out who and what and how it was all being done. As a result, I have lost a ton money in actual losses, time, and lost business and wages. Yet my people have saved the US government and insurance companies, and credit card companies over $265 billion a year of theft and not even a thank you!

I realize that writing this report online and posting it VOIDS any so-called protection I was supposedly under. In fact, I never saw any agreement or anything in writing from them. However, I have e-mails from the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation), CIA (Central Intelligence Agency, DOJ (Department of Justice), United States Security and Exchange Commission, SSC (Secret Service Commission) etc., In fact, I received correspondence directly from my protectors speaking to me through text taken from websites. When someone is in the witness program, they are not supposed to be in contact with the person. BIG MISTAKE! Also, I had a visit to my house by one of the protectors guised under another identity. However, he used his real credit card number, address and phone number which gave me his real identity. A simple Google search resulted in more information. It was not until later in the year that I mentioned the name of this guy to my computer guy who told me that he was the head of the Department of Justice who was heading my case. This was the same guy who tried to set up my computer guy to testify! Come to find out, he was put up to this by someone else. The government then took him out of the DOJ and placed him in one of those secret torture prisons. (If I were you, I would let him out now before we rescue him out of your prison.)

I would also like Google to know that the government already controls your search engine. Proof is on my computer! They used your search engine and stories to communicate information to me so that I could help them with their investigation. In fact, several TV shows, such as TNT show called The Closer which is based after myself and my experiences, all has been done without my consent. A reward was never offered. Instead, multiple DEATH ATTMEPTS have been made on my life. Going public is the only way to stay safe at this moment.

Anyway, in the middle of the investigation, they came across a file in one of the hackers computers. This file contained all of the security identification plates as well as money plates for the whole world! This included the plates used to make badges for the FBI, CIA, DOJ, USSEC, UN etc as well as the plates used for identification cards for Department of Motor Vehicles, Social Services, Social Security, etc. The code name for this investigation was Abel Danger.

The file had been handed over to the US government. However, the key for the file was handed over to the United Nations who had purchased the file on the black market illegally. Without the key, the file was useless to the United States government. Therefore, President Bush made an agreement with the United Nations to purchase the key and not press any charges against the U.N. for the theft. The file was originally purchased by the U.N. for $140,000,000 on the black market. The United States wanted to make sure that the file was returned in its entirety. The U.N. was also really hurting for money, so they made a deal with the U.S. to sell them the key. (Follow the money trail) Everything comes down to greed when it comes to crime. What a motive for death attempts!

Upon opening the file, they discovered it was the full version, but the text containing who owned the file was missing. That made them nervous that someone else knew about the illegal ownership of the file. Therefore, the U.S. went out and hired hit men to come after me. I had been given a copy of the file from my computer guy just in case something was to happen to him. Then I could go PUBLIC to expose them. However, that did not happen either. (Don't you know who you are fighting?)

I am in the witness protection plan now but not the one from the U.S. government! No one can even get anywhere close to me to hurt me. The only reason they sealed operation firewall and classified my name was to shut me up and not come forward with the story and protect their indiscretions.

The PMG scam resulted as an investigation from Operation Firewall. Since the investigation is ongoing at this moment, I cannot go into the details, but I will make sure everyone knows as soon as possible.

Any reporters interested in seeking the full version of the story are welcome to contact me.

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I'll stop "complaining" John, if you'll agree to stop engaging in taboo activities with your relatives.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 20, 2005

Hey shill John from New York who takes it up the rear,

Why does "complaining" and "whining" bother you shill John? Is it perhaps because people who view them are less likely to fall for whatever $h!t you're shoveling? Yeah, I think that's what it is.

Look all around you bend over shill John and hopefully you'll realize, that this is a consumer advocacy site where much "complaining" takes place.

I'll stop "complaining" John, if you'll agree to stop engaging in taboo activities with your relatives. Well, I guess people can't always come to an agreement. LOL!

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#88 Consumer Suggestion

Who's The Whiner Here?

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 20, 2005

John - Wantagh, New York: Please Stop your whining!!! As far as I am concerned, Reid from ALOHA HI needs to STOP COMPLAINING. If all you do is spend your time complaining, well then somethings wrong with you.

REID: What toilet did you pop out of John? Where the hell did you go to school? There's no such place as "Aloha" Hawaii you putz.

It helps to know a few things about geography. Oh and by the way, I'm not whining. I already received every single penny back from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, so have no reason to "whine."

Just keeping the public up to date regarding the John Beck scam. Which one of these fraudulent companies are you pulling down your pants and bending over for John?

If you don't like my "whining" you're not obligated to read my postings are you?
But I guess like all bend over shill puppets, you have nothing better to do then visit consumer advocacy sites and look over reports that bother you.

Well then something must be wrong with YOU.
Learn to enjoy my whining you bend over shill puppet who takes it from behind, because I'll be here for a while whether YOU like it or not. LOL!

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#87 Consumer Suggestion

Aaaaaaw, Is My Complaining All Of A Sudden Starting To Bother You Johnny?

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 19, 2005

NOT complaining shill John. I am simply letting the facts be known, regarding the many fraudulent "wealth building" programs that exists.

I have already received every single penny back from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, therefore, have absolutely nothing to gain by "complaining."

In case you haven't figured it out by now shill John, this is a consumer advocacy site, where much "complaining" and "whining" by consumers with grievances take place.

"Complaining and "whining" are to consumer advocacy sites, as you and your sisters are to marriage.

Unless you are a PAID "bend over buddy" for one of the many fraudulent "wealth building" programs, how you've stumbled across a consumer advocacy site is beyond me.

You and your wife Stella, who's probably also your sibbling, should return to your game or Yatzee, or coloring your books, because the both of you are far to intelligent to be posting rebuttals.

Don't appreciate what you see here shill John? Then navigate your cursor to the upper right hand corner of your computer screen and left click on the button containing the X. ADIOS!

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#86 Consumer Suggestion

More Whining For John From Wantagh, New York. LOL.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 19, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

There's absolutely no such thing as legitimate "wealth building" programs being shared with total strangers, for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible.

Disregard any and all rebuttals that claim otherwise. Real "success stories" DO NOT post favorable rebuttals on consumer advocacy sites, because it's non productive, and legitimate businesses that had nothing to hide would have absolutely no problem coming forward themselves to acknowledge and resolve all consumer related issues.

1. Why would any business share their "wealth building" strategies to total strangers for anything less than the profit potential claimed possible?

2. Why would anyone choose the sales of such a program as opposed to using the program themeselves?

3. How could such an UNPROVEN program be "exclusive" to so many?

4. Exactly which Infomercial were the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute planning to feature me in?

5. If John Beck's Real Estate program truly has a 94% success rate, why does his team of inbreeds find it a problem to refund unsatisfied consumers, which only make up 6% of his business?

6. Why did the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute literally beg my credit card company to reverse the dispute in their favor?

7. Why is the cost of John Beck's fraudulent Free and Clear program directly proportional to ones "available credit?"

8. Why does the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute find it necessary to tape record ones agreement to enroll, but none of their fraudulent sales pitches, unsubstantiated earning potential, misrepresentation, etc, etc?

9. Why haven't the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute accepted any of my public challenges which would have instantly yielded them profits in upwards of $97,000.00, but were desperate to obtain my $6,400.00?

10. If John Beck's fraudulent Real Estate program were truly legit, what would be wrong with marketing the program on a contingency basis?

11. If it truly were the victims "fault" for the non producing of income as suggested by many inbreded shill puppets, wouldn't it be hella easy for the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute to prove?

12. Why does the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute attempt to use such freakish means to settle consumer disputes when simple credit card disputes would suffice?

13. Could the answer to question number twelve be because credit card companies aren't easily paid off?

14. What makes the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute feel they are able to prove in a courtroom what they are totally unable to prove in simple credit card disputes?

15. Why does the fraudulent collection agency known as EPN randomely select their victims?

16. Exactly who are these product of incest maggots paying off?

17. Why is incest so prevelant among the scam industry and the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute in particular?

There is a one answer fits all to satisfy each and every question above which is "wealth building" programs do not exist.

The John Beck Free and Clear/Amazing Profit's/Mentoring programs are all scams and it's not just a matter of opinion. There is absolutely nothing legitimate about the John Beck Mentoring Institute.

I already received every single penny back from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, therfore in no way can be accused of whining John from Wantagh, New York. My rantings have purpose, just as your "bending over" and shilling for fraudulent companies do.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Reid - Aiea, Hawaii
U.S.A.

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#85 Consumer Comment

Please Stop your whining

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 19, 2005

Please Stop your whining!!!
As far as I am concerned, Reid from ALOHA HI needs to STOP COMPLAINING. If all you do is spend your time complaining, well then somethings wrong with you.

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#84 Consumer Suggestion

Absolutely Nothing Legitimate About This Program.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 18, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

There's absolutely no such thing as legitimate "wealth building" programs being shared with total strangers, for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible.

Disregard any and all rebuttals that claim otherwise. Real "success stories" DO NOT post favorable rebuttals on consumer advocacy sites, because it's non productive, and legitimate businesses that had nothing to hide would have absolutely no problem coming forward themselves to acknowledge and resolve all consumer related issues.

1. Why would any business share their "wealth building" strategies to total strangers for anything less than the profit potential claimed possible?

2. Why would anyone choose the sales of such a program as opposed to using the program themeselves?

3. How could such an UNPROVEN program be "exclusive" to so many?

4. Exactly which Infomercial were the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute planning to feature me in?

5. If John Beck's Real Estate program truly has a 94% success rate, why does his team of inbreeds find it a problem to refund unsatisfied consumers, which only make up 6% of his business?

6. Why did the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute literally beg my credit card company to reverse the dispute in their favor?

7. Why is the cost of John Beck's fraudulent Free and Clear program directly proportional to ones "available credit?"

8. Why does the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute find it necessary to tape record ones agreement to enroll, but none of their fraudulent sales pitches, unsubstantiated earning potential, misrepresentation, etc, etc?

9. Why haven't the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute accepted any of my public challenges which would have instantly yielded them profits in upwards of $97,000.00, but were desperate to obtain my $6,400.00?

10. If John Beck's fraudulent Real Estate program were truly legit, what would be wrong with marketing the program on a contingency basis?

11. If it truly were the victims "fault" for the non producing of income as suggested by many inbreded shill puppets, wouldn't it be hella easy for the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute to prove?

12. Why does the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute attempt to use such freakish means to settle consumer disputes when simple credit card disputes would suffice?

13. Could the answer to question number twelve be because credit card companies aren't easily paid off?

14. What makes the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute feel they are able to prove in a courtroom what they are totally unable to prove in simple credit card disputes?

15. Exactly who are these product of incest maggots paying off?

16. Why is incest so prevelant among the scam industry and the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute in particular?

There is a one answer fits all to satisfy each and every question above which is "wealth building" programs do not exist. The John Beck Free and Clear/Amazing Profit's/Mentoring programs are all scams and it's not just a matter of opinion. There is absolutely nothing legitimate about the John Beck Mentoring Institute.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#83 Consumer Suggestion

Do We Have A Deal Mike Evans?

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 17, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

What's going on with the John Beck team of inbreeds? Where have all their unproven "success stories" gone? I am a "success story." I own 200 McDonalds throughout the continental U.S., Europe, Africa and Asia.

Not to mention my 30 Burger King franchises and 70 Chevron gas stations. Why should I prove it to anyone? See how ridiculous you "bend shills" sound? Stop taking it up the rear and maybe you shill puppets won't be as stupid as your are.

Answering questions and resolving consumer complaints in the public eye is the only antidote to the many reports regarding fraudulent "mentoring" programs.

QUESTIONS FOR ANY AND ALL BEND OVER SHILL PUPPETS:

1. Why does the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute charge their victims a different amount for the same crap? Would you buy a cheeseburger from one of my many McDonalds franchises for the "available credit" on your credit card?

2. Why haven't the John Beck Mentoring Institute come forward to address any of these complaints with facts to the contrary?

3. Why has the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute turn down my many open challenges thus refusing in upwards of $90,000.00 profits. With such an abundance of distressed properties, this is by far the most ludicrious part of their scam.

OPEN CHALLENGE TO ANY AND ALL REAL ESTATE GURUS: I accept enrollement into any any all so called Real Estate Mentoring courses. I agree to participate in any program on a contingency basis. Upon me earning the profits that are so freely claimed, I will come forward to surrender my entire "available credit" to whomever has the balls to accept this challenge. I will post daily follow ups on this website, as to how myself, and the program is progressing, while agreeing to NOT discose any Real Estate "secrets" to the public.
Now why would anyone refuse such a cherry offer? Any takers?

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#82 Consumer Suggestion

Mike Evans Is A Piece Of $h!t.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 13, 2005

Hey there Joann,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Just as any scam company would, the fraudulent John Beck Mentoing Institute will more than likely wait until the last minute to respond to your attorney's letter, or ignor it altogether.

It's obvious that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute wants to give the public the impression that they're a legitimate company, by dragging this out and attempting to downplay the urgency/seriousness of your attorney's inquiry.

To say that PMG, PMI, Prosper, Inbreeds Inc, etc, etc, are bad businesses is the understatement of the century. These are all scam companies.

Contact me Mike Evans from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute. I can be reached @ 1 800 GO F^ck yourself or productofincestmikeevans@yahoo.com.

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#81 Consumer Comment

Code of Federal Regulations - Deceptive Telemarketing and Abusive Telemarketing

AUTHOR: Susan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 12, 2005

Bridgett,

You, and everyone else, may also be interested in The following sections of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). I'm not sure how you were solicited.

16 CFR Ch. I (1105 Edition)

310.3 Deceptive telemarketing acts or practices

and

310.4 Abusive telemarketing acts or practices.

Highlights:

310.3
(a) Prohibited deceptive telemarketing acts or practices. It is a deceptive telemarketing act or practice and a violation of this Rule for any seller or telemarketer to engage in the following conduct:
(1) Before a customer pays for goods or services offered, failing to disclose truthfully, in a clear and conspicuous manner, the following material information:
(i) The total costs to purchase, receive, or use, and the quantity of, any goods or services that are the subject of the sales offer;
(ii) All material restrictions, limitations, or conditions to purchase, receive, or use the goods or services that are the subject of the sales offer;
(iii) If the seller has a policy of not making refunds, cancellations, exchanges, or repurchases, a statement informing the customer that this is the seller's policy; or, if the seller or telemarketer makes a representation about a refund, cancellation, exchange, or repurchase policy, a statement of all material terms and conditions of such policy;
. . .
(2) Misrepresenting, directly or by implication, in the sale of goods or services any of the following material information:
(i) The total costs to purchase, receive, or use, and the quantity of, any goods or services that are the subject of a sales offer;
(ii) Any material restriction, limitation, or condition to purchase, receive, or use goods or services that are the subject of a sales offer;
(iii) Any material aspect of the performance, efficacy, nature, or central characteristics of goods or services that are the subject of a sales offer;
(iv) Any material aspect of the nature or terms of the seller's refund, cancellation, exchange, or repurchase policies;
. . .
(vi) Any material aspect of an investment opportunity including, but not limited to, risk, liquidity, earnings potential, or profitability;
. . .

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#80 Consumer Comment

Washington - Business Opportunity Fraud Act

AUTHOR: Susan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 12, 2005

Bridgett,

You might be interested in the following sections of the Revised Code of Washington.

Chapter 19.110 RCW
BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY FRAUD ACT

The entire text is about 12 pages long. I can post it here or you can access it at findlaw.com. This is a great source for all of the federal and state laws. These can be found in the For Legal Professionals section. This website also has a For the Public section with a lot of resources. This site is free and you do not have to be a legal professional to access any area of this site. There are no ads or popups.

Here are some highlights of the Washington Business Opportunity Fraud Act:

RCW 19.110.020
Definitions.
Unless the context clearly requires otherwise, the definitions in this section apply throughout this chapter.

(1) "Business opportunity" means the sale or lease of any product, equipment, supply, or service which is sold or leased to enable the purchaser to start a business; and:

(a) The seller represents that the seller will provide locations or assist the purchaser in finding locations, on premises neither owned nor leased by the purchaser or seller, for the use or operation of vending machines, display racks, cases, or similar devices or coin-operated amusement machines or similar devices; or

(b) The seller represents that the seller will purchase any product made, produced, fabricated, assembled, modified, grown, or bred by the purchaser using, in whole or part, any product, equipment, supply, or service sold or leased to the purchaser by the seller; or

(c) The seller guarantees that the purchaser will earn an income greater than or equal to the price paid for the business opportunity; or

(d) The seller represents that if the purchaser pays a fee exceeding three hundred dollars directly or indirectly for the purpose of the seller providing a sales or marketing program, the seller will provide such a program which will enable the purchaser to derive income from the business opportunity which exceeds the price paid for the business opportunity.

(2) "Person" includes an individual, corporation, partnership, joint venture, or any business entity.

(3) "Seller" means a person who sells or leases a business opportunity.

(4) "Purchaser" means a person who buys or leases a business opportunity.

(5) "Director" means the director of financial institutions.

(6) "Guarantee" means an undertaking by the seller to refund all or a portion of the purchase price paid for the business opportunity.
RCW 19.110.030
Sale or lease of business opportunity -- Offer to sell or lease business opportunity -- Occurrence in Washington.
(1) An offer to sell or offer to lease a business opportunity occurs in Washington when:

(a) The offer is made in Washington; or

(b) The purchaser resides in Washington at the time of the offer and the business opportunity is or will be located, in whole or in part, in the state of Washington; or

(c) The offer originates from Washington; or

(d) The business opportunity is or will be, in whole or in part, located in Washington.

(2) An offer does not occur in Washington if a seller advertises only in a newspaper having more than two-thirds of its circulation outside the state of Washington, or on a radio or television program originating outside the state and does not sell or lease business opportunities in Washington.

(3) A sale or lease of a business opportunity occurs in Washington when:

(a) The sale or lease is made in Washington; or

(b) The purchaser resides in Washington at the time of the sale or lease, and the business opportunity is or will be located, in whole or in part, in Washington; or

(c) The business opportunity is or will be located in Washington.

You may also be interested in Chapter 19.190 RCW COMMERCIAL ELECTRONIC MAIL. This Chapter includes, but is not limited to:

19.190.020 Unpermitted or misleading electronic mail -- Prohibition.
19.190.030 Unpermitted or misleading electronic mail -- Violation of consumer protection act.
19.190.040 Violations -- Damages.

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#79 Consumer Suggestion

Rebuttals That Are Not Of Resolvement Are Meaningless.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 07, 2005

Hey there Bridgett,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

FRAUDULENT: 1. Engaging in fraud; deceitful.
2. Characterized by, constituting, or gained by fraud: fraudulent business practices.

If the company gained your trust through the use of deception, coersion, misrepresentation, etc, etc, then the act was fraudulent.

The company in which you speak of is without question fraudulent. Devin Willis is a con artist who only wishes to speak to consumers in private???

Read the many rebuttals, where Devin had been totally unwilling to answer questions regarding his company and explain the many reports regarding his company off, or to the contrary.

Instead, Devin wants people to contact him behind the scenes, where he is at liberty to make all the UNPROVEN/UNSUBSTANTIATED claims he wishes???

Legitimate businesses that have nothing to hide, would have no problem resolving consumer issues in the open.

Until next time, take care Bridgett cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#78 Consumer Comment

How do you keep these guys from yanking you around?

AUTHOR: Bridgett - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 07, 2005

I just want to clarify a few things that PMG/Prosper is doing now to keep from being a bait, fish, hook, campaign. They now ask you to call so you can get your "free gift". I too got taken by them. I do not know about all the stuff said to be fraudulent to get you to buy. Though if what other people have been saying about the laws is true (I'm sure it is) then they are definitely Frauds. (I bought a couple other things on line pertaining to grants, and writing grants, and got a call from a company helping with Grant Writing. It sounded just like PMG and is even In UTAH. Someone might want to check that out.) But I do know that what you get for your money is not worth it. I would never have paid $500.00 for what I got.

Upon reading my "Agreement" with PMG I found that it tells you "You have the right to cancel for any reason within three days of you INITIAL sign up to receive a full refund. Notification of cancellation must be received via email. Cancellation requests should be sent to activate@pmgmentors.com and must include you name, email address, and the reason for cancellation. You may cancel your account at any time after the first three days. " "All set-up and design charges will not be refunded for work already performed."

So I say that I want a refund and Devin Willis calls me. We have a nice conversation where he offers me to start my mentoring PHONE CALLS over and with a new coach and if that doesn't work then we'll "negotiate a fair price for the mentoring already given". I say I have to talk to my husband about that he tells me go ahead. So then we play phone tag for 3 days. Devin then goes on vacation no e-mail or phone call telling me who he gave my case to.

But we had a very nice conversation and things sounded good.
Then I get a call yesterday and a guy from student care tells me he's calling to set up things with a new mentor.

I tell him we'd just like a refund and that Devin said we'd negotiate one. He tells me "it is funny Devin mentioned a refund (since we) don't give refunds." He told me he'd have to research the case more and talk to the board of directors and get back to me.
What a crock. It doesn't say you can't get a refund and I"LL GARENTY that the "set-up and design charges" were NO WHERE near what I paid the company.

It's been over 90 days and I don't think I can get my credit company to contest this. What can I do? If someone can tell me the case number of the suit that's going on by Laureen, that would be so awesome. I'd then be able to keep an eye on how that is going.

As far as the promises go they don't deliver on any of that but I'd really just settle for getting the money off my credit card so that I can actually get into Real Estate and not have to get a second job to pay it off. My husband already works two jobs.
HELP

Does anyone know the laws in Washington State governing out of state purchases, companies doing business from other states, in home sales and all that? If they do I'd love to hear from them.

Someone please contact me about how to handle the credit card company. Unfortunate for me we transfered the outstanding balance to a lower intrest card.

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#77 Consumer Comment

Pattie & the FAA

AUTHOR: Susan - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, July 05, 2005

Since "Pattie" so graciously revealed Laureen's last name, here is some information obtained through a search on the Internet. Please note, Pattie Christensen may or may not be the "Pattie" who submitted a rebuttal in this matter. Again, this information was obtained from an Internet search and its validity is unknown. The sources where this information was gathered are included.

According to the Utah State Bar Membership Public Address Locator, there is only one attorney named Pattie (Pattie Suzanne Christensen) in Utah. The Public Address Locator provides the following information:

PATTIE S CHRISTENSEN

UTAH ESTATE PLANNERS PLLC
8341 S 700 E
SANDY, UT, 84070
Voice Telephone: (801) 523-1470
FAX: (801) 523-1473
Email: pchristensen@utahestateplanners.com
Membership Information
Bar ID 08051
Status Active
Law School BYU Year Graduated 1997
Date Admitted to Utah State Bar 5/20/1998
Regular CLE 25 Ethics CLE 3

According to The Clark Memorandum, Spring 2003 Edition, published by the J.Reuben
Clark Law Society and the J.Reuben Clark Law School, Brigham Young University, Pattie S. Christensen (Salt Lake City), Class of 1998, "left
the law firm of Holme Roberts & Owen in
October 2000 to start her own practice
and to work as an executive in an Internet based
company."

Lawyers.com, by LexisNexis/Martindale Hubbell, provides the following information:

Pattie S. Christensen

Of Counsel
View firm profile of Travis Bowen, P.C.

Location
175 South West Temple, Suite 710, P.O. Box 11637
Salt Lake City, Utah 84147-0637
(Salt Lake Co.)

Contact Information
Phone: 801-364-0123; Toll Free Number 800-617-2873
Telefax: 801-595-0976
URL: http://www.bowenlaw.com

Pattie S. Christensen practices in the following areas of law: Estate Planning; Federal Taxation; Commercial Law
Admitted: 1998, Utah
Law School: Brigham Young University, J.D., 1997
College: State University of New York at Albany, B.S., 1992
Born: Richmond, Virginia, September 12, 1967

Web Site: http://www.bowenlaw.com

The bowenlaw website has a "What Clients Say" page. This page contains testimonials from three satisfied customers. Interestingly, one of these satisfied clients is Kurt L. Larsen, President/CEO, Resource Management, Inc., kurt@rminc.com.

According to bowenlaw, Mr. Larsen states:

"This is the first time in years that I feel my family is adequately protected and will be able to carry on without interruption, if I were to some how not be there to run the business. I also know that The Law Offices of Travis Bowen has looked at every possibility, and helps to continually maintain each of our entities with the same diligence that I would do personally, if I had the time allowing me to focus on the day to day operations of my primary company, which provides the reoccurring income so necessary."

"My experience with other firms that provide this service has been to prepare the documents and deliver a 5 pound binder, which sits on the book shelf and collects dust with no further attention to the entities. With all good intentions of maintaining it, I let it sit because I have not had time to deal with this. Now, The Law Offices of Travis Bowen makes sure they are kept up to date, and become living documents on a quarterly maintenance schedule. They do what they do best, leaving me to do what I got into business to do."

The Utah Court of Appeals has published an opinion in Christensen v. Christensen, Case No. 960312-CA, filed June 12, 1997. This opinion is available on the Utah State Courts' website in the Court Resources section. This opinion is one of the Appellate Court Opinions provided.

During these legal proceedings, Ms. Christensen was known as Pattie Brubaker. It appears that Ms. Christensen (Brubaker) and Mr. Daniel R. Christensen were divorced on May 17, 1990, after approximately one year and four months of marriage. Ms. Christensen (Brubaker) married Joseph Brubaker in October, 1989. That's right. According to the Court's opinion, Ms. Christensen (Brubaker) married Mr. Christensen January 16, 1987 in Springville, UT, married Mr. Brubaker in October, 1989, and divorced Mr. Chritensen on May 17, 1990. Although this seems to be incorrect, those are the dates given by the Utah Court of Appeals. The Court stated, "Brubaker married Joseph Brubaker in October 1989 and later moved the court to enter a nunc pro tunc order that effectively granted the divorce between Brubaker and Christensen on June 26, 1989."

"In July 1991, while living in Colorado, Brubaker filed a petition for a change of surname on behalf of the minor child in an attempt to legally change the child's surname to Brubaker." "The trial court ruled in favor of Christensen and ordered that the child retain the surname of Christensen and that Brubaker notify the child's school and church officials of the child's correct surname. Brubaker appeal(ed) from the trial court's findings of fact, conclusions of law, and order."

The Utah Court of Appeals affirmed "the trial court's ultimate conclusion that the child should continue to bear the surname Christensen..."

An endnote to the opinion states, "Brubaker's interference with Christensen's visitation rights has necessitated court intervention which ordered Brubaker to allow Christensen to see the child. Brubaker was previously held in contempt for denying Christensen visitation."

Pattie Christensen, Professional Service Consultants, LLC, 8930 South Quail Hollow Dr., Sandy, UT 84093, Phone: (801) 598-0419, Fax: (801) 944-3540, E-mail: pchristensen@pscllc.com is listed as the contact for the Salt Lake City LexisNexis HotDocs User Group.

Professional Service Consultants, LLC's website, states that Pattie S. Christensen is the general automator. A Business Entity Search with the Utah Department of Commerce for Professional Service Consultants, LLC shows Status: Delinquent and Status Description: Failure to File Renewal. The registered agent for Professional Service Consultatns, LLC is listed as Pattie S. Christensen, 8930 S. Quail Hollow Dr., Sandy, UT 84093.

A Business Entity Search with the Utah Department of Commerce for Utah Estate Planners, PLLC shows Status: Active, Status Description: Good Standing, and Registered Agent is Pattie Christensen, 8341 S 700 E, Sandy, UT 84070.

The May/June 2003 newsletter from the Utah affiliate of the American Woman's Society of CPA's announced, "[f]or our June meeting, we are excited to have Pattie Christensen as our speaker. Ms. Christensen is an attorney specializing in estate planning and estate administration as well as business planning and trust formation. She has extensive experience in IRS related resolutions, trust formation, gift tax planning, family business formation, and general business planning.

Before beginning a private practice of her own, Ms. Christensen practiced with the law firm of Holme Roberts & Owen LLP. She has also worked for the Utah Attorney General's Office, the Federal Aviation Administration in Longmont, Colorado and the Community School of Lifelong Learning in Boulder, Colorado. She received her Juris Doctor c*m Laude from Brigham Young University and a Bachelor's of Science in Accounting from the University of the State of New York. For two years, Ms. Christensen devoted time to the Tuesday Night Bar, a program providing free consultation, advice and referral to members of the community who otherwise did not have the means to pay for the services.

We are looking forward to hear her speak to us about Estate Planning: A Primer. The meeting will be held at 12:00 noon on Thursday, June 12, 2003 at the Joseph Smith Memorial Building."

Ms. Christensen's past employment with the Federal Aviation Administration is fascinating in light of the recent posts by Maria and Laureen.

Joseph Waldimar Brubaker and Joseph W. Faa both have ties to 8930 Quail Hollow Dr., Sandy, UT 84093. Could Faa be a typo for the Federal Aviation Administration?

Pattie Christensen is listed as a 2000 Conference Certificate Recipient on the WinWriters, Training for Software User Assistance website.

There is a picture of Pattie Christensen, a 37-year old attorney who lives in Salt Lake City, on the Kim Hazelwood Cettei website. It appears on the family.html page

Again, Pattie Christensen may or may not be the "Pattie" who submitted a rebuttal in this matter. This information was obtained from an Internet search and its validity is unknown.

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PMG or Prosper Learning, www.asiincentives.com , SelectYourGifts.com, Yourgiftcards.com, Pat Talerico AMERICAN SALES INDUSTRIES, John Beck.THE PLOT THICKENS REID!!!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 03, 2005

The plot thickens! I would hate to be PMG (or Prosper Learning or whatever other name you call yourself) right about now.

This just gave me another key piece of evidence against PMG!
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff146964.htm

Here is an excerpt,

Further proof of fraud by AMERICAN SALES INDUSTRIES, INC aka www.asiincentives.com using his Better Business Bureau affiliation and uses their logo Connected to Prosper Learning aka Federal Aviation Admin (FAA)

I was very interested by the comments made about the Talerico association with the Better Business Bureau. Pat must have a very special relationship indeed. I noticed on one of the webpages for selectyourgifts.com that they are allowed to use the BBB logo.

I thought that you had to have specific permission from the BBB to post that. Isn't that correct, Mr. William P. White? Oh, by the way, I have specific information that Stacy Horgan has been taking money to cover up complaints; selectyourgifts.com is just one of the companies.

I work at the Federal Aviation Administration in Miami and also know that the FAA provides supplies and support to another company affiliated with AMERICAN SALES INDUSTRIES,

Prosper, Inc.
5072 North 300 West
Provo, UT 84604
Toll-free: 800-748-5199
Local: 801-371-0755
Fax: 801-374-2358
support@prosperlearning.com

This company works with the FAA in DC and has used FAA stationary and the FAX machine to grab more business.

I wonder what the MORMON Church would say about the behavior of these "good MORMON people," lying, cheating and stealing from unsuspecting, trusting individuals.
http://www.prosperlearning.com

Maria - Miami, Florida
U.S.A.

Thank goodness for ghost copies of my old hard drive. I believe there is even more evidence on my old computer that will prove how PMG gained my financial data prior to calling me.

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#75 Consumer Comment

Is the Class Acction Law Suit really going in on this one? I'd like to join

AUTHOR: Bridgett - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, June 25, 2005

I went in on the reall Estate end off this company. Nothing was worth the 7500 I paid. I'd like to get in with the really unsatisfide Ripped off people out there.

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#74 Consumer Suggestion

Please clarify relationship between the companies

AUTHOR: S - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 14, 2005

Can someone clearly explain the relationship between the companies listed here and Fortius? It's very important that I receive this information quickly...

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#73 Consumer Comment

Another day, another name same rip-off = American Dream Challange, Inc. and are also doing business as Robert Allen Company, Prosper Learning and Multiple Streams of Income.

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, May 03, 2005

Hi all,

I noticed when I tried to find Prosper or Prosper Learning in the files of the Utah Better Business Bureau I was unsuccessful. I have since learned that they use American Dream Challange, Inc. and are also doing business as Robert Allen Company, Prosper Learning and Multiple Streams of Income.

I'm planning to file a Rip-Off Report of my own on this arm pit of the internet shortly but I have to do some proof reading etc. I'm looking forward to hearing from all then.

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#72 Consumer Suggestion

Devin Has Proven What He's Peddling Fraudulent.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 29, 2005

Hey there Devin you "bend over" shill,

Why haven't I received my $50,000.00 gift yet? Since your company is soooo willing to "mentor" total strangers to "success" at an enormous loss, what is a measely $100,000.00 to be split amongst two wonderful people?

I will accept your non willingness Devin, to gift a perfectly nice guy a measely $50,000.00, as an admittance of all your wonderful claims regarding your program as being fraudulent.

No established and reputable business would ever refuse to dish out a few free products or services, especially if they were so adamant about wanting to prove thier business legit.

What's up Devin?

Your fraudulent company is compelled to "mentor" total strangers, at an enormous loss, into earning $10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month, but is not willing to gift a nice guy like myself a measely $100,000.00, thus proving your program legit in the public eye?

What's up with that Devin? To think I used to be your friend. LMAO @ Devin.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#71 Consumer Suggestion

LMAO At "Bend Over Buddy" Arron.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 28, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute is all of the following.

SCAM: A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.

FRAUDULENT: 1. Engaging in fraud; deceitful. 2. Characterized by fraud, constituting, or gained by fraud: fraudulent business practices.

DECEITFUL: Deliberately misleading; deceptive.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute engages in the following and then some.

EXTORTION: Illegal use of one's postition, legitimate or not, to illegally obtain the property of others.

RACKETEERING: To carry on illegal business activities that involve crimes.

ROBBERY: The act or an instance of unlawfully taking the property of another by the use of violence or intimidation.

Credit card companies deliberatly engage in the following.

AIDING: The act or result of helping; assistance.

ABETTING: To approve, encourage, and support (an action or a plan of action);urge and help on. MBNA d!cked me by commiting this act.

Arron claims "I myself have never done business with any of the organizations that have been ripped on in this report, but I am even more inclined to do so given the tone of most of the writtings here." WHAT AN IDIOT!

So I ask you old wise one, are you successful yet? LMAO at "bend over buddy" Arron.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#70 Consumer Suggestion

Press Criminal Charges On The Individual, That's Personally Responsible For Ripping You Off.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 28, 2005

Hey there newcomers Ken and Tom,

I hope that this rebuttal finds the both of you in good spirits and health.

Great input! Wonderful business idea Tom, however, the fraudulent John Beck "mentoring" Institute has a lot of explaining to do and a tremendous amount of refunds to dish out, before they can even think about marketing another business program.

I'm not quite sure what the statute of limitations are regarding fraud, extortion, threatening, etc, etc, but the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute definitely commits these acts while peddling their fraudulent program.

"Mentoring" programs sound good theoretically, thus allows fraudulent businesses to shovel bogus programs.

Every new victim of the fraudulent John Beck scam from here on out, should contact the FBI and express interest in pressing criminal charges on the individual, that's personally responsible for extorting monies.

This would prevent the many imbreeds from hiding behind the fraudulent entity known as the John Beck Mentoring Institute.

Until next time, take care Ken, Tom, along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#69 Consumer Comment

Here is a novel idea Devin

AUTHOR: Tom - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 27, 2005

Dear Folks:

My name is Tom. I am a consumer advocate. I have do wish do disrepute any business -nor do i wish any consumer to be ripped off.

Too many times , the business owner asks for a leap of faith from the consumer. This is known as getting personal info and credit card access. If the busines just up and decides to rip the consumer off -it was because they were able to get the leap of faith in the first place. They give the consumer no choice if they want the service.

The consumer is left feeling like they are being used like an old toliet seat.

For Laureen:

you will succeed. I see your hard work and determination. Even though you were frustrated and manipulated by a site that doesnt really have the power to do all that they claim -dont be discouraged!!! Find a legitimate sever and site provider with a sound reputation and you will be a sucess story.

Sue these guys and get your money back -dont waste your time , energy and life fretting. Hire an attorney, and let s/he handle it. Take your husband out to dinner -go dancing - go for a walk . Dont let these butt munchers rob you of your quality of life.

For Ried:

Keep punching buddy. Its guys like you who cause grief to scam artists. They run from you and hide because you will stop and nothing to show everyone they are scam artists!!! This site and consumers everywhere need you.

For Devin, Pattie and whomever else:

you are a sham . its sad but true. what led you to operate like this to make a living is the real sad reality . If you really want to 'mentor' people try this:

1) set up their site and everything they need for free. Teach them all the tricks of internet marketing -plain basic stuff -no bill gates secrets here. The business and sales records have to go thru your server.

2) provide them fun friendly teachers online 24 7 to help them along -even at 2 in the morning when they call you cause they have been up all night thinking up a new idea.

3) walk them hand and hand down their online business thru your server -keeping track of their sales.

4) charge them 10% of their first 100,000 of their sales- thus the student eventually pays for the course.

5) charge them a maintinence fee of 2% of sales thereafter . The more people who started with zero down who make it to this point -the more money the company will make.

6) not only will you have hundreds of success stories, your risk is minimal, it doesnt cost much to set up the site. On top of that , you will instead of these rippoff complaints, you will have several glorious reviews of people who arent just your 'students' but are your friends now with a deep appreciation for what you did for them.

Give that a try.

Tom -Gahanna Ohio

p.s. what? are you worried people will go and get a free site -soak you down for info then stop trying to sell? Some will, but the vast majority will be loyal to you and build their business. you try a leap of faith . You will be rewarded 10 fold.
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#68 Consumer Comment

Add To The List being 'interviewed' to decide if I was 'qualified'

AUTHOR: Ken - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 27, 2005

While being 'interviewed' to decide if I was 'qualified' to participate in their program, I was told that I would be provided with some of the services listed here. As an EXISTING Internet professional, it should have been obvious to my interviewer that I would be immediately able to research his 'information', even as the telephone interview was being conducted.

The scary part of this is that I had never HEARD of PMG or anything like it. I was working with the 'Berman Investment Group'. But the premise was the same as described here, and I, of course, was 'invited' to participate for a mere $4175.00.

Co-incidently, the telphone number of the 'Berman Investment Group' representatives I had spoken with and the telephone number (with the exception of the extension) are identical (1-800-748-5199).

While I have no incidental knowledge, or a personal issue with either PMG or Berman, the mere fact of a coincidentally identical phone number, and the fact that either of them is listed here is more than enough to make me decide to steer well clear of either one of them.

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#67 Consumer Suggestion

An Open Discussion With Devin. - WARNING: Disregard any and all rebuttals posted by Devin, along with any and all rebuttals posted by employees of the many fraudulent "mentoring" companies in question.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 24, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: Disregard any and all rebuttals posted by Devin, along with any and all rebuttals posted by employees of the many fraudulent "mentoring" companies in question.

There is no such thing as legitimate businesses peddling "wealth building" strategies to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed by the many fraudulent companies.

DEVIN: To All,

The reason there are no major issues outside this fourm and this is limited to a few unhappy students , in many cases did not follow thru with their commitments.

REID: There ARE MANY issues outside this forum pertaining to the many fraudulent "mentoring" programs.

The fact that fraudulent "mentoring" programs are totally unwilling and unable to come forward in the public eye and satisfy them is just an excuse.

DEVIN: Those who did have concerns that were warranted did get a refund. I have been glad that majority of students have done well in our program and have reached the goals they have set for themselves.

REID: Where are these people, that were so freely given refunds?

Call me blind, but all I'm used to seeing is a growing number of unacknowledged, unexplained and unsatisfied complaints regarding the many fraudulent businesses and the imbreeds behind them.

DEVIN: We at Prosper believe in being fair and honest with our students and each other. In this manner, we will build trust and long term working relationships.

REID: I am going to campaign to launch an FBI investigation on Devin real soon.

DEVIN: We believe in delivering on our promises, over the years we mentored, coached and counseled over 25,000 students. We also, expect our students to keep their promises, and work together with us.

REID: 1. 25,000 students and you Devin, cannot even furnish proof of one?

2. Are you Devin, prepared to someday explain yourself to the Federal Authorities?

3. Are you Devin, prepared to someday explain yourself to the many victims of your fraudulent activitites?

4. How do you imbreeds sleep at night?

5. How those two f%ck!ng defected midgets with the big heads and bucked teeth sleep at night is beyond me.

6. Doesn't leaving your home on a daily basis ever worry you imbreeds about possibly running into an angry victim of your fraudulent activites? I give you imbreeds props dude.

DEVIN: we believe in truth and honesty as a key stone reqardless how embarrassing the outcome might be. we believe in being fair, knowing that we cannot SEEM fair to all, all of the time.

REID: If not being willing and able to come forward in the public eye to acknowledge and rectify the many complaints against your fraudulent company isn't embabarrassing, I don't know what the f%ck is.

DEVIN: We will continue to offer the best education . We continue to hold our staff and students to high mentoring standards and to prepare them for an increasingly dynamic and demanding world for financial freedom.

REID: We will continue to charge our victims whatever they can spare on their credit cards for our fraudulent services is what your last paragraph should read.

DEVIN: Please promptly contact me if you have any questions or concerns. I look forward to hearing from you

REID: No one is interested in your fraudulent offer Devin. Thanks for the offer anyhow.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#66 Consumer Suggestion

An Open Discussion With Devin. - WARNING: Disregard any and all rebuttals posted by Devin, along with any and all rebuttals posted by employees of the many fraudulent "mentoring" companies in question.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 24, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: Disregard any and all rebuttals posted by Devin, along with any and all rebuttals posted by employees of the many fraudulent "mentoring" companies in question.

There is no such thing as legitimate businesses peddling "wealth building" strategies to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed by the many fraudulent companies.

DEVIN: To All,

The reason there are no major issues outside this fourm and this is limited to a few unhappy students , in many cases did not follow thru with their commitments.

REID: There ARE MANY issues outside this forum pertaining to the many fraudulent "mentoring" programs.

The fact that fraudulent "mentoring" programs are totally unwilling and unable to come forward in the public eye and satisfy them is just an excuse.

DEVIN: Those who did have concerns that were warranted did get a refund. I have been glad that majority of students have done well in our program and have reached the goals they have set for themselves.

REID: Where are these people, that were so freely given refunds?

Call me blind, but all I'm used to seeing is a growing number of unacknowledged, unexplained and unsatisfied complaints regarding the many fraudulent businesses and the imbreeds behind them.

DEVIN: We at Prosper believe in being fair and honest with our students and each other. In this manner, we will build trust and long term working relationships.

REID: I am going to campaign to launch an FBI investigation on Devin real soon.

DEVIN: We believe in delivering on our promises, over the years we mentored, coached and counseled over 25,000 students. We also, expect our students to keep their promises, and work together with us.

REID: 1. 25,000 students and you Devin, cannot even furnish proof of one?

2. Are you Devin, prepared to someday explain yourself to the Federal Authorities?

3. Are you Devin, prepared to someday explain yourself to the many victims of your fraudulent activitites?

4. How do you imbreeds sleep at night?

5. How those two f%ck!ng defected midgets with the big heads and bucked teeth sleep at night is beyond me.

6. Doesn't leaving your home on a daily basis ever worry you imbreeds about possibly running into an angry victim of your fraudulent activites? I give you imbreeds props dude.

DEVIN: we believe in truth and honesty as a key stone reqardless how embarrassing the outcome might be. we believe in being fair, knowing that we cannot SEEM fair to all, all of the time.

REID: If not being willing and able to come forward in the public eye to acknowledge and rectify the many complaints against your fraudulent company isn't embabarrassing, I don't know what the f%ck is.

DEVIN: We will continue to offer the best education . We continue to hold our staff and students to high mentoring standards and to prepare them for an increasingly dynamic and demanding world for financial freedom.

REID: We will continue to charge our victims whatever they can spare on their credit cards for our fraudulent services is what your last paragraph should read.

DEVIN: Please promptly contact me if you have any questions or concerns. I look forward to hearing from you

REID: No one is interested in your fraudulent offer Devin. Thanks for the offer anyhow.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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An Open Discussion With Devin. - WARNING: Disregard any and all rebuttals posted by Devin, along with any and all rebuttals posted by employees of the many fraudulent "mentoring" companies in question.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 24, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: Disregard any and all rebuttals posted by Devin, along with any and all rebuttals posted by employees of the many fraudulent "mentoring" companies in question.

There is no such thing as legitimate businesses peddling "wealth building" strategies to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed by the many fraudulent companies.

DEVIN: To All,

The reason there are no major issues outside this fourm and this is limited to a few unhappy students , in many cases did not follow thru with their commitments.

REID: There ARE MANY issues outside this forum pertaining to the many fraudulent "mentoring" programs.

The fact that fraudulent "mentoring" programs are totally unwilling and unable to come forward in the public eye and satisfy them is just an excuse.

DEVIN: Those who did have concerns that were warranted did get a refund. I have been glad that majority of students have done well in our program and have reached the goals they have set for themselves.

REID: Where are these people, that were so freely given refunds?

Call me blind, but all I'm used to seeing is a growing number of unacknowledged, unexplained and unsatisfied complaints regarding the many fraudulent businesses and the imbreeds behind them.

DEVIN: We at Prosper believe in being fair and honest with our students and each other. In this manner, we will build trust and long term working relationships.

REID: I am going to campaign to launch an FBI investigation on Devin real soon.

DEVIN: We believe in delivering on our promises, over the years we mentored, coached and counseled over 25,000 students. We also, expect our students to keep their promises, and work together with us.

REID: 1. 25,000 students and you Devin, cannot even furnish proof of one?

2. Are you Devin, prepared to someday explain yourself to the Federal Authorities?

3. Are you Devin, prepared to someday explain yourself to the many victims of your fraudulent activitites?

4. How do you imbreeds sleep at night?

5. How those two f%ck!ng defected midgets with the big heads and bucked teeth sleep at night is beyond me.

6. Doesn't leaving your home on a daily basis ever worry you imbreeds about possibly running into an angry victim of your fraudulent activites? I give you imbreeds props dude.

DEVIN: we believe in truth and honesty as a key stone reqardless how embarrassing the outcome might be. we believe in being fair, knowing that we cannot SEEM fair to all, all of the time.

REID: If not being willing and able to come forward in the public eye to acknowledge and rectify the many complaints against your fraudulent company isn't embabarrassing, I don't know what the f%ck is.

DEVIN: We will continue to offer the best education . We continue to hold our staff and students to high mentoring standards and to prepare them for an increasingly dynamic and demanding world for financial freedom.

REID: We will continue to charge our victims whatever they can spare on their credit cards for our fraudulent services is what your last paragraph should read.

DEVIN: Please promptly contact me if you have any questions or concerns. I look forward to hearing from you

REID: No one is interested in your fraudulent offer Devin. Thanks for the offer anyhow.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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We At Prosper Believe In Ripping Off As Many People As We Possibly Can!

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 23, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

DEVIN: To All,

The reason there are no major issues outside this fourm and this is limited to a few unhappy students , in many cases did not follow thru with their commitments.

REID: There ARE MANY major issues outside of this forum. Your company is a scam. Not one complaint regarding your fraudulent company has ever been resolved on this website.

Also, there is absolutely ZERO PROOF of the 25,000 imaginary students you speak of.

DEVIN: Those who did have concerns that were warranted did get a refund. I have been glad that majority of students have done well in our program and have reached the goals they have set for themselves.

REID: Your company does not honor their refund policy. If one of the many victims of your company's fraud were ever granted a refund, it's because he or she disputed the charge and won a favorable decision, not because your company honored it.

DEVIN: We at Prosper believe in being fair and honest with our students and each other. In this manner, we will build trust and long term working relationships.

REID: We at Prosper believe in being UNFAIR and DISHONEST is what your last paragraph should've read. Actually DISHONEST, DECEITFUL, and flat out FRAUDULENT sounds more accurate.

DEVIN: We believe in delivering on our promises, over the years we mentored, coached and counseled over 25,000 students. We also, expect our students to keep their promises, and work together with us.

REID: Devin, like the many other fraudulent "mentoring" companies, believe in telling their victims whatever necessary to obtain their credit card numbers, then stiffing them by being totally unable to deliver what's been agreed upon. 25,000 students? Full of $h!t!

DEVIN: we believe in truth and honesty as a key stone reqardless how embarrassing the outcome might be. we believe in being fair, knowing that we cannot SEEM fair to all, all of the time.

REID: Full of $h!t! Fraudulent companies like yours have no kudos and could care less about being embarassed.

DEVIN: We will continue to offer the best education . We continue to hold our staff and students to high mentoring standards and to prepare them for an increasingly dynamic and demanding world for financial freedom.

REID: Full of $h!t! Your company is fraudulent!

DEVIN: Please promptly contact me if you have any questions or concerns. I look forward to hearing from you

REID: I bet you do! You're hoping that people actually contact you, so that you can feed them your bull$h!t without the general public witnessing it.

You genetic imbreeds are like child predators attempting to lure innocent children into danger.

WARNING: DO NOT CONTACT DEVIN! FORCE THIS SHILL TO COME OUT OF HIDING AND ADDRESS THE MANY REPORTS REGARDING HIS FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES IN THE PUBLIC EYE. CONTACT THE FBI IMMEDIATELY AND FILE A REPORT FOR HARASSMENT IF DEVIN EVEN ATTEMPTS TO MAKE CONTACT WITH YOU.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#63 Consumer Suggestion

Prove Something Devin! Be More Willing! Are You Full Of $h!t?

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 22, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Disregard the entire rebuttal posted by Devin. Devin is employed by one of the many fraudulent "mentoring" companies, so it's only natural for him to attempt to defend his fraudulent company with nothing.

Hey Devin!

1. Be willing to come forward and conduct business in the public eye, like any legitimate business would.

2. Be willing to come forward in the public eye, and explain and resolve the many reports regarding your fraudulent company. They're not going away by themselves you know.

3. Be willing to come forward in the public eye, and answer questions.

4. Be willing to come forward in the public eye, and provide some PROOF regarding your claims, otherwise, everyone may think you're full of
$h!t. Oh, I'm sorry I forgot you are.

5. Why are you Devin, so adamant and determined in having people call you?

6. Why do you Devin, so insist on conducting business discreetly?

7. Why are you Devin, posting rebuttals in the first place?

8. Are the many unexplained and unresolved complaints regarding your fraudulent company finally taking it's toll and affecting your sales?

9. Devin, if you keep posting retarded rebuttals, how do you expect everyone to believe you've helped over 25000 clients succeed?

I'm sorry Devin, no ones going to call you. I'm definitely not going to call you, because I'm afraid that you may try to bribe me and I do not accept bribes.

I do however, accept gifts. Gifts have been known to make me happy. Any and all cash gifts over $100,000.00 may be sent to the Bad Business Bureau.

Make one check out for $50,000.00 to the Bad Business Bureau and another for $50,000.00 to Reid and send them both to the Bad Business Bureau.

These checks are gifts from your heart, therefore, I cannot guarantee I'll ever return the favor.

Since your company seems so willing and able to "mentor" total strangers into making the ridiculous amounts of cash they claim, they should have no problem gifting me and the Bad Business Bureau a measly $100,000.00??? LOL.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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This is in response to Devin's ridiculous rebuttal! You did NOT answer any questions Devin! Are you afraid to put it in writing? Afraid it will be used against you in a court of law?

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 22, 2005

First of all, there ARE major issues outside this forum contrary to what Devin says. Search for yourself and you will discover many, many sites where people have filed complaints against PMG and their business entities.

Second, his comment that people did not follow through on their commitments is NOT TRUE. It was PMG, who NEVER did what they were supposed to do. I certainly did. My problems were ALL the fault of PMG. This included a website that was not operational, a server that was always down, excess fees that were taken out of my bank account for services that had been cancelled, their marketing people never marketing my site, a shopping cart and website that could not be supported on the new server, their server that was NOT SECURE, and many other commitment issues that PMG ignored.

BREECH OF CONTRACT on behalf of PMG has led me to pursue justice against them for myself as well as anyone else who wants justice. They promised, in writing, to double my initial investment within 6 months. I spent well over a year trying to get PMG to get my site operational but could not. Then I decided to move my site to another server, which meant redoing all of the work I had put into my website.

Therefore, I was out my original investment of $10,035, my hours upon hours of time putting in my hundreds of products, the loss of sales for the 6 months of down time since my site was not marketed and optimized, the loss of sales for more than 3 months when PMG's server was upgraded and could no longer support my site, the time and reconstruction of my website by Netlinkz.net in order to get my site up and operational, and the promise to double my investment within the first 6 months . That would mean that since my site was not up for almost a year and a half, I should have been able to double by investment 3 times over!

Then PMG had the nerve to charge me a restocking fee or cancellation fee or now a coaching fee. I have the contract. There is NO MENTION of any type of fee for leaving PMG. In fact, PMG had the whole web package bundled so that they profited off every angle. This meant that PMG made money off the web builder, the optimization which was a joke with dynamic pages, not HTML, the hosting fees, the merchant account that they were pushing, and any other expenses related to this venture. There was NO WAY to leave PMG without losing everything. How dare they think of keeping any of my hard-earned money!

NON-DISCLOSURE of all the fees related to this venture, as well as the cost of PMG's program at the initial contact is another federal statute PMG has broken.

SPYWARE helped PMG to obtain leads and people's personal information. Think about how you were contacted. The initial e-mail was sent or you phoned them after seeing an infomercial. After your initial purchase or BAIT, which was usually a book, they had your credit card information as well as your name and address. If you used the computer, they followed your internet habits and spied on you through the computer. This leads to

IDENTITY THEFT, which is another crime PMG probably committed. Think about what PMG or any other business entity of theirs first offered you the program for. Most likely it was the same as the amount of available credit you had on your credit card or how much you had in your bank account.

The SWITCH came when you were phoned by PMG or any of their other business entities. This means that PMG violated another federal statute that of the BAIT AND SWITCH scheme.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION to clarify how SMALL PMG or Prosper really is, when I was with them they only had about 2,000 websites up and running most of which are NO LONGER WORKING since they upgraded their server. I have a copy of their previous clients. That would mean that the majority of people who purchased from PMG or any of their business entities received partial refunds or NO refunds. However, if you combine the total fraudulent income from ALL of their business entities, it is one of the BIGGEST CONS out there!

My questions to you are:

Why should PMG keep ANY of the money people invested into their fraudulent schemes especially if they hide behind many layers of "business entities" so that a person cannot find complaints about them on file since they search under the wrong name since they change their name constantly?

Why has PMG NOT addressed any of the questions posed by anyone on this forum?

Why has PMG NOT provided any proof of the unsubstantiated statements of their success stories?

Why will PMG NOT come forward on THIS FORUM to answer these questions? What are they hiding? I DARE YOU, PMG, PUT IT IN WRITING ON THIS FORUM!

Why will PMG NOT refute any of the statements made on this forum? Perhaps they know they are true and realize they are NOT going to have a leg to stand on when they have to answer to FEDERAL AUTHORITIES in court about their deception and fraudulent schemes.

Why will PMG NOT come out from hiding behind all of these business entities and continue to use different identities other then their own?

To answer Roger's previous post, contrary to what Devin says, there is a unified consumer movement occurring. Thanks to RipOffReport, e-mails have been flooding in to me. (Thanks for posting my identity PMG! Since I cannot hide, I will not let you either. Did I mention, BAD MOVE!) RipOffReport also has a long list of people's names and contact information that the authorities have access to view. I have a long list of unsatisfied customers who have left PMG/Prosper since their websites were not operational on their previous server. I have an even longer list of people who are not satisfied with any of their other business entities which includes a long list of almost 100 business names that are being used in this web-mob's circle of deceit and 1000's of people who were not satisfied. It takes a while to gather all of the information for such a lawsuit. It will take some time to sort through all of the 1000's of complaints on file with all agencies of all states such as the Attorney General's offices, BBB's, credit card companies, etc. Also, in class action lawsuits, many times the victim is only contacted in the end once a settlement has been reached. I have had many come forward to say that they are willing to use their story and testify if necessary.

By posting your OWN RipOffReport, it is like testifying. The report will all be used against PMG and their business entities. Everyone will have some say.

PMG is trying to hide themselves as well as their deception and fraud. Did I mention earlier PMG, it does not work with the people watching YOUR IDENTITY right now? So tell me PMG, how does it feel to have someone watching YOUR IDENTITY? Tables have now turned. The heat has been turned up now. Is it getting a little TOO HOT for you? How does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot?

Now maybe, since it is hitting PMG in the pocket, they will know how their victims feel. Hopefully soon, they will have a lot of time to think about what they have done when they are all behind bars! Time is ticking away! I am happy to say to PMG that I am not going away until PMG and their business entities get what is coming to them. It should not be much longer.

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#61 Consumer Suggestion

Devin's Rebuttals Are Bull$h!t!

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 22, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Desregard the entire rebuttal posted by Devin. Prosper is a fraudulent company and Devin is an employee of the fraudulent company. Huh, go figure?

DEVIN: To All,

The reason there are no major issues outside this fourm and this is limited to a few unhappy students , in many cases did not follow thru with their commitments.

REID: Bull$h!t! If one believes this, they also believe in my telephone sex "mentoring" program.

DEVIN: Those who did have concerns that were warranted did get a refund.

REID: Bull$h!t! Where are these people that were so free given refunds? Funny, many victims on this website alone, found it necessary to under go long and drawn out disputes with their credit card companies.

Like fraudulent business's many UNPROVEN claims, Devin speaks of UNPROVEN refunds.

DEVIN: I have been glad that majority of students have done well in our program and have reached the goals they have set for themselves.

REID: Bull$h!t! Do you have any PROOF of this? I thought not. Funny, if I were running a legitimate business, I would want nothing more than providing PROOF of my students success.

By the way, my telephone sex "mentoring" programs have a 100% success rate. LOL at "bend over buddy" Devin.

DEVIN: We at Prosper believe in being fair and honest with our students and each other. In this manner, we will build trust and long term working relationships.

REID: BULL$h!t! Devin you claim that "We at Prosper believe in being fair and honest with our students and each other. In this manner, we will build trust and long term working relationships."

Where are all of these relationships you speak of? We see the many reports regarding your fraudulent company, but where are those reports you speak of, that have been satisfied and resolved in the public eye.

DEVIN: We believe in delivering on our promises, over the years we mentored, coached and counseled over 25,000 students. We also, expect our students to keep their promises, and work together with us.

REID: Bull$h!t! Out of 25,000 students, how many have failed as opposed to succeeded? Can you PROVE it? Why are you so adamant about not PROVING anything you claim?

All the people on this website hear from your mouth is hot air. Shoot, my telephone sex "mentoring" program has a 100% success rate.

DEVIN: we believe in truth and honesty as a key stone reqardless how embarrassing the outcome might be. we believe in being fair, knowing that we cannot SEEM fair to all, all of the time.

REID: Bull$h!t! Not only does you company not SEEM fair to all, it's NOT fair to all. Your company is fraudulent! UNPROVEN! Just hot air! Your company is just in the business of pedling bags of gold, while actually delivering bags of
$h!t.

DEVIN: We will continue to offer the best education . We continue to hold our staff and students to high mentoring standards and to prepare them for an increasingly dynamic and demanding world for financial freedom.

REID: Bull$h!t!

1. If your company were doing so great, you wouldn't need to post ridiculous rebuttals on it's behalf would you?

2. If your company were doing so great, you wouldn't need to waste much time surfing the web searching for complaints regarding your company would you?

Gee, over 25,000 happy students and you Devin, can't seem to find anything better to do, than search the web for complaints regarding your fraudulent company, which you can't resolve in a public forum?

DEVIN: Please promptly contact me if you have any questions or concerns. I look forward to hearing from you

Devin Willis
Student Care Manager

REID: Oh please, please Everyone contact me regarding my telephone sex "mentoring" programs. I am in desperate need for clients.

I'm aware that my program is UNPROVEN and my claims are UNSUBSTANTATED and somewhat FRAUDULENT, but you gotta believe me when I say I have many successful and happy students. LMAO at Devin.

Why do you Devin, keep insisting on having people contact you? What's wrong with "open" discussions?Why haven't you answered any of my questions on my many previous rebuttals? Where have you been all this time? Where the f%ck did Peppermint Pattie go?

I'm glad you finally decided to return Devin. There's nothing I needed more than a good laugh.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#60 UPDATE Employee

We at Prosper believe in being fair and honest

AUTHOR: Devin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 21, 2005

To All,

The reason there are no major issues outside this fourm and this is limited to a few unhappy students , in many cases did not follow thru with their commitments.

Those who did have concerns that were warranted did get a refund. I have been glad that majority of students have done well in our program and have reached the goals they have set for themselves.

We at Prosper believe in being fair and honest with our students and each other. In this manner, we will build trust and long term working relationships.

We believe in delivering on our promises, over the years we mentored, coached and counseled over 25,000 students. We also, expect our students to keep their promises, and work together with us.

we believe in truth and honesty as a key stone reqardless how embarrassing the outcome might be. we believe in being fair, knowing that we cannot SEEM fair to all, all of the time.

We will continue to offer the best education . We continue to hold our staff and students to high mentoring standards and to prepare them for an increasingly dynamic and demanding world for financial freedom.

Please promptly contact me if you have any questions or concerns. I look forward to hearing from you

Devin Willis
Student Care Manager

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#59 Consumer Comment

What's going on behind the scenes?

AUTHOR: Roger - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 21, 2005

I've been following the reports regarding PMG, Prosper, etc. for quite some time now and I'm just curious as to whether or not there is actually a unified consumer movement (i.e. a class action lawsuit) going on behind the scenes or if this is just a forum where people are blowing off a little steam (or both!). I check the "Lawsuits" link on the home page of this site regularly but it always just says "Coming Soon". I have also heard that lawyers who are interested in class action cases will occasionally browse this site but if that's the case, I haven't seen any indication that any are interesting in taking up a case against PMG/Prosper.

If anyone can offer any info or insight, it would be greatly appreciated.

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#58 Consumer Comment

PMG is such a crock!!!

AUTHOR: Dawn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 20, 2005

I want to thank you that have reported information on this huge scam!!! I wish I would have found this site before I had decided to try this company...or lack there of I should say.

Laureen, you are a godsend, and I would love to become part of your quest to bring justice to others that have been screwed by this company. Please let me know how I can join your efforts and bring down this heinous company.

Similar story here, joined this with my boyfriend and thought it would really be something good to get into. By both doing this, we've put more time and effort into TRYING to get into real estate. Sure they've been well taught to sugar coat and speed talk everything, but it's been one nightmare after another. Like you've said before, they make unjust promises to benefit themselves off the willingness of others to succees. They say they'll help you get out of debt, but what they did is put us more INTO debt, and they're still asking for more money for their "services". We still have not been able to access our website for 2 months, we've been contacted by other sources that supposedly "work" with Prosper, but all they want is for us both to shell out more money.

When we called to cancel for a refund, we were told be signed an online agreement stating that we can cancel after 3 days. What can you learn about this company in 3 days? Nothing!!!

We're in the process of trying to see what we can do to get a refund back. Any comments on what we can do? What can we do to assess this situation and help you out?

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#57 Consumer Suggestion

Come Up With Another Scam Already!!

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 20, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

$10,000.00 a month? $15,000.00 a month?
What got you to agree to enroll in John Beck's fraudulent "mentoring" program? What were you promised by the "result of incest" on the other end of the telephone?

Why would anyone with the ability to "mentor" total stangers to make $10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month do so for anything less than that?

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#56 Consumer Suggestion

Gee, I Wonder Why John Beck Isn't Practicing Law? LOL.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, April 19, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Here is just one of the many reports regarding the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, which I've stumbled across while conducting a google search for John Beck reviews. The name has been omitted to protect the innocent. John Beck's blatant fraud is f%ck!ng hillarious.

REPORT READS: I bought johns system and about a month later I got a phone call from one of his reps he went over some steps that I needed to take to get on course not telling me that it was going to cost me. he said that he needed my credit card number to see if I would be a good canidate for their coaches being that they did not have enough for all of the people that purchase the system and that I was worth enough to do a tax deal fast, told me he was going to have me recorded not to ask any questions or they would have to start the recording over. Started the recording. At this point I Knew it was a scam and I said no.I was sent back to the rep(mike Rosenham)who tried to convince me to pay I said I will talk to my attorney and get back with you he got mad and said I am going to charge you 1000 dollars an hour four my time and hung up the phone. I called my credit card company and they charged over 7000 for taking up 1hour of my time to feed me some lies I contacted the FBI I hope that this will get the ball rolling I am going to file a law suite as soon as I can it would be nice to get a hold of DATELINE so that other people can be aware of this fraud.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#55 Consumer Suggestion

John Beck's Real Estate Programs Are Fraudulent!

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, April 19, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

PMG is far more than just a bad business. PMG is flat out fraudulent! It is not just a matter of ones opinion. PMG has been PROVEN fraudulent due to having far too many unacknowledged, unexplained, unresolved and unsatisfied complaints, reports and disputes against them.

Problem is, many businesses including the fraudulent Better Business Bureau, media companies that shoot Infomercials, credit card companies, etc, etc, are all somehow tied in to fraudulent businesses and fraudulent activities.

This gives fraudulent businesses a false sense of security. What fraudulent businesses often fail to realize or deliberately ignores, is the fact that someday, somehow, each and every victim of their fraud will be compensated.

Far too often in the end, only the person who bares the name of the fraudulent activities and a few of his or her associates eventually end up behind bars, while the fraudulent Better Business Bureau, and everyone else, that aided and abetted in the fraud tucks in their tails and run like the band of fraudsters they are.

It's no wonder Hawaii has none of these fraudulent businesses. Hawaii is a very small Island and many are aware, that there are areas on Oahu where the residents have absolutely no problem rearranging innocent people's faces for no reason.

I would hate to be one having to clean up after a genetic imbreed like Mike Evans had he ever decided to pull his scam out here. I'd be more than willing however, to suggest some areas to Mike Evans if he were ever interested in moving his trailor and family of imbreeds our here.

Hey, what can I say? I'm just a nice guy like that! LMAO.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#54 Author of original report

PMG, you reap what you soe or is it sow? (Quoting Arron or is it Aaron?) Next time PMG, pick a name you can spell!!!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 17, 2005

Arron is right. PMG is now going to reap what they have sown. That is why you are seeing all of the negative postings against them and the other "business entities". Their time has almost come.

Nice try PMG! I would like to say that the response PMG posted as Arron was well thought out. However, I would like to suggest to PMG, next time to pick a name that they can spell. Arron is spelled AARON. Try using spell check too.

PMG has NOT taken my advice and BACKED OFF. They keep on trying to contact me and send me messages through e-mail and these postings.

Maybe I should have been more specific in my previous posting. I told PMG to call off their hitmen, when I should have said HITMNN007!!! I guess they do NOT believe me when I say that my identity is being HEAVILY WATCHED by the real 007's.

That last posting was directed to PMG and their HITMEN as a reply to the e-mail threats and phone calls I have received.

BACK OFF PMG! If you are wondering why the tone of these last few writings is the way it is, it is because I DO NOT TAKE KINDLY TO THREATS!!! By the way, I do not take any bait that is put out in front of me no matter how nice the e-mail may sound. I am not replying to any of the e-mails people are sending me since I am protecting myself due to the fact that, PMG posted my name and identity!

PMG, I suggest that if you have anything to say to me, YOU DO SO ON THIS FORUM! DO NOT CALL OR E-MAIL ME or USE ANYONE ELSE'S IDENTITY! All ip addresses of e-mails are being traced, as well as phone calls. By the way, proxy servers do NOT work with the people watching my identity. Did I mention, using cloned phones or someone else's phone does NOT work with them? Did you ever hear of satellites? NOW BACK OFF!

Arron was right when he said, what goes around comes around. PMG and all of their business entities are now starting to see that deceiving and fleecing the public eventually will catch up to them.

Thank you, RipOffReport for giving us a public forum to post complaints on. This is how we can vent and let everyone know what is going on about these corrupt mentoring companies. By comparing reports, we can see that we are not alone. Sites like this one help EXPOSE THE CORRUPTION and hopefully, help others NOT to fall into the same trap. That is why PMG is angry now. It is finally starting to hit them in their POCKETS! ABOUT TIME since PMG and their business entities hit all of us in the pocket already! Remember what Arron said, you reap what you soe and What goes around, comes around.

PMG and their "business entities" are about to reap what they have sown.

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#53 Consumer Suggestion

Say Arron, Have You Enrolled Into The Fraudulent John Beck Program Yet? I Cannot Wait To Laugh!

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 16, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: Disregard any and all rebuttals posted by shills of the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute or any one of the many other bogus Real Estate "mentoring" programs.

Any and all companies claiming to be marketing "wealth building" strategies to total strangers at a loss are fraudulent.

The John Beck Mentoring Institute has been PROVEN fraudulent by myself, many others who have taken their money back (via credit card dispute) from the fraudulent company and also by themselves, by not being able to come forward in the public eye with an ounce of proof to the contrary.

UNPROVEN "wealth building" programs are scams and it's not open for debate nor just an opinion. Say Arron, would you be interested in one of my many telephone "mentoring" programs? LOL at this clown.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#52 Consumer Suggestion

Shills Are Just Employees That Bend Over For Fraudulent Businesses.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 15, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

You know I would never poke fun at the mentally challenged, but Arron's stupid rebuttal is in dire need of an articulate response.

ARRON: I myself have never done business with any of the organizations that have been ripped on in this report, but I am even more inclined to do so given the tone of most of the writtings here.

REID: Go for it Arron! I think the tone of many people's writings is a good reason to dive head first into a program that has already been PROVEN fraudulent by many.

Arron, you're obviously just bending over for John Beck or just the worlds biggest idiot. How much did this fraudulent company pay you to reveal your true mental condition? Nothing you say? Well then you're even dumber than your dumb rebuttal suggests.

REID'S CHALLENGE: Hey Arron, since you're so adamant about being blatantly stupid, I think it would be a nice gesture if you were to assist the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute in PROVING their progam legitimate, by allowing the public to witness your experience with them.

What do you say? You've already PROVEN what an idiot you are. Question is, are you willing and able to PROVE your envolvement and dealings with the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute. LOL.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#51 Consumer Suggestion

Shills Are Just Employees That Bend Over For Fraudulent Businesses.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 15, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

You know I would never poke fun at the mentally challenged, but Arron's stupid rebuttal is in dire need of an articulate response.

ARRON: I myself have never done business with any of the organizations that have been ripped on in this report, but I am even more inclined to do so given the tone of most of the writtings here.

REID: Go for it Arron! I think the tone of many people's writings is a good reason to dive head first into a program that has already been PROVEN fraudulent by many.

Arron, you're obviously just bending over for John Beck or just the worlds biggest idiot. How much did this fraudulent company pay you to reveal your true mental condition? Nothing you say? Well then you're even dumber than your dumb rebuttal suggests.

REID'S CHALLENGE: Hey Arron, since you're so adamant about being blatantly stupid, I think it would be a nice gesture if you were to assist the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute in PROVING their progam legitimate, by allowing the public to witness your experience with them.

What do you say? You've already PROVEN what an idiot you are. Question is, are you willing and able to PROVE your envolvement and dealings with the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute. LOL.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#50 Consumer Suggestion

Shills Are Just Employees That Bend Over For Fraudulent Businesses.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 15, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

You know I would never poke fun at the mentally challenged, but Arron's stupid rebuttal is in dire need of an articulate response.

ARRON: I myself have never done business with any of the organizations that have been ripped on in this report, but I am even more inclined to do so given the tone of most of the writtings here.

REID: Go for it Arron! I think the tone of many people's writings is a good reason to dive head first into a program that has already been PROVEN fraudulent by many.

Arron, you're obviously just bending over for John Beck or just the worlds biggest idiot. How much did this fraudulent company pay you to reveal your true mental condition? Nothing you say? Well then you're even dumber than your dumb rebuttal suggests.

REID'S CHALLENGE: Hey Arron, since you're so adamant about being blatantly stupid, I think it would be a nice gesture if you were to assist the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute in PROVING their progam legitimate, by allowing the public to witness your experience with them.

What do you say? You've already PROVEN what an idiot you are. Question is, are you willing and able to PROVE your envolvement and dealings with the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute. LOL.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#49 Consumer Suggestion

Prove Us Wrong Arron! Claims made by these fraudulent Real Estate "mentoring" companies are UNSUBSTANTIATED.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 15, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

ARRON: After reading all the complaints contained here, one is expected to believe that all institutions/organizations for higher education and knowledge gathering which charge a fee are rip-offs.

REID: Real Estate "mentoring" courses ARE NOT legitimate institutions/organizations for higher education and knowledge. Real Estate "mentoring" programs are UNPROVEN, unlike legitimate institutions/organizations which you are obviously confused with.

1. Fraudulent Real Estate "mentoring" programs are UNPROVEN.

2. Claims made by these fraudulent Real Estate "mentoring" companies are UNSUBSTANTIATED.

3. Successful Real Estate professionals would lose their shirts, if they ever decided to market their "success strategies" to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" so fraudulently claimed.

Are you good with math arron? Do the math and you'll see, that it would make no sense for any successful person to market such knowledge to the world.

$10,000.00-$15,000.00 per month for $6,400.00? Better yet, $10,000.00-$15,000.00 per month for whatever "available credit" one has on his or her credit card, which is often less than $6,400.00?

It just doesn't make any sense. Comparing fraudulent and UNPROVEN Real Estate "mentoring" courses to that of legitimate and PROVEN higher learning institutions is preposterous.

Fraudulent businesses are any and all businesses, that are unwilling to disclose the exact success to failure ratio of their programs and are totally unwilling to stand behind any of their claims.

ARRON: As with any education and investment, you reap what you soe, that includes investigating what you are putting your time and money into.

REID: Suggesting what you have in the above paragraph leads me to one of the following conclusions 1. You have no idea what you're talking about, meaning you have never enrolled into one of the many fraudulent Real Estate "mentoring" programs. 2. You're a shill for one of the many fraudulent Real Estate "mentoring" companies.

It's understandable why someone like you would want people to believe, that the many UNPROVEN Real Estate "mentoring" programs are legitimate.

This allows fraudsters like yourself the opportunity to turn the blame of failure on to the victims.

Valiant attempt, however at the end of the day the facts still remain;

1. Real Estate "mentoring" programs are UNPROVEN.

2. No one from the many fraudulent Real Estate "mentoring" companies have ever come forward in the public eye and PROVEN, that their program is legitimate.

3. No one from the many fraudulent Real Estate "mentoring" companies have ever come forward in the public eye and successfully acknowledged, explained, resolved or satisfied any one of the many reports regarding them.

ARRON: Also, never expect others to do ALL of the work for you and then believe that the rewards will just come flooding in.

REID: You are sounding more and more like a desperate shill as each paragraph goes by. What a f%ck!ng coincidence! These were the exact words from the mouth of Mike Evans. Is this one of the "scripted" defenses they teach you during training?

ARRON: With regard to the question of, why would some one agree to help others start up their own business?

REID: No, the question is, why would any successful entreprenuer feel compelled to "mentor" total strangers to use his or her success strategies for a loss?

ARRON: Why not just sieze the opportunity and increase one's own profits rather than help someone else? Remember the phrase, "What goes around, comes around"?

REID: Oh dear!

ARRON: Or how about the charitable philosophy of what you give will come back to you ten-fold. (Now that one can be for positive results and negative.) Most extremely successful people will tell you that the greatest success is that which is gained through helping others to succeed. Examples are the following families: Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie, DuPont, Walton, Vanderbilt, and many more too numerous to mention here. As these families have contributed to charity and assisting others to succeed, their fortunes have increased exponentially.

REID: Here we go again, attempting to compare UNPROVEN scams to that of PROVEN success. This is like comparing apples to paper cups.

ARRON: I myself have never done business with any of the organizations that have been ripped on in this report, but I am even more inclined to do so given the tone of most of the writtings here. I am looking to start a new company which will assist others to find financial freedom. If an IWorks affiliate or subsidiary can help me to help those others reach their dreams, then I will gladly accept that help and the cost will be negligable compared to the benefit.

REID: Oh dear! After reading this last paragraph I must apologize to you Arron, for I had absolutely no idea you're a quack.

You claim that you yourself have never done business with any of the organizations that have been ripped on in this report, but you're even more inclined to do so given the tone of most of the writtings here?

I f%ck!ng dare you to join the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring program. I challenge you here Arron, to join the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute and allow everyone that visits this website to track your progress.

TRACKING OF PROGRESS INCLUDES BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO: 1. Exact play by play of your dealings with the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute. 2. Exact names of all employees and or coaches you deal with. 3. Exact times and dates of all contacts and dealings with the John Beck Mentoring Institute. 4. Exact sales pitches and the terms and conditions of your agreement with the John Beck Mentoring Institute. 5. Properties you bid on and successfully obtain. 6. Properties you successfully turn around for profit. 7. Asking of questions by the many victims of the John Beck scam and their responses.

Give us victims of the John Beck scam something to really laugh at. Let us know when you are ready in PROVING us wrong. Until you are ready to accept this challenge, I suggest you pull out the foriegn object, pull up your pants and zip up. LOL.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#48 Consumer Comment

It's Up To Individuals To Make The Most of Opportunities

AUTHOR: Arron - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 13, 2005

After reading all the complaints contained here, one is expected to believe that all institutions/organizations for higher education and knowledge gathering which charge a fee are rip-offs. As with any education and investment, you reap what you soe, that includes investigating what you are putting your time and money into. Also, never expect others to do ALL of the work for you and then believe that the rewards will just come flooding in.
With regard to the question of, why would some one agree to help others start up their own business? Why not just sieze the opportunity and increase one's own profits rather than help someone else? Remember the phrase, "What goes around, comes around"? Or how about the charitable philosophy of what you give will come back to you ten-fold. (Now that one can be for positive results and negative.) Most extremely successful people will tell you that the greatest success is that which is gained through helping others to succeed. Examples are the following families: Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie, DuPont, Walton, Vanderbilt, and many more too numerous to mention here. As these families have contributed to charity and assisting others to succeed, their fortunes have increased exponentially.
I myself have never done business with any of the organizations that have been ripped on in this report, but I am even more inclined to do so given the tone of most of the writtings here. I am looking to start a new company which will assist others to find financial freedom. If an IWorks affiliate or subsidiary can help me to help those others reach their dreams, then I will gladly accept that help and the cost will be negligable compared to the benefit.

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#47 Consumer Suggestion

I'm On To Fraud, Like White On Rice And Flies To $hit!

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 02, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

I know that you're upset Laureen, but it's a waste of time warning these fraudulent companies regarding any law enforcement envolvement.

These genetic imbreeds will only tuck in their tails and crawl back into their little holes. These fraudulent businesses will change their name in a heartbeat and continue to run the same scam.

WARNING: Don't ever allow one of these "product of incest" beings to discourage or intimidate you from disputing their fraudulent programs.

These programs are UNPROVEN, thus leaving these fraudulent businesses with absolutely no recourse in obtaining monies from their victims.

Their contracts, which appear to have been drafted by retarded baboons, lack the necessary elements which constitute legally enforceable and binding agreements.

If you've been scammed by any of the businesses posted by Laureen, or any other business peddling their crap, contact your credit card company immediately and dispute the charge.

Again, these programs have very little in their favor, which would allow them to sucessfully win a favorable decision in a credit card dispute.

One thing, that would ensure these "scum bags" a victory is if for some reason you gave in.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. What's the names of the two demented/deformed alien midgets in Real Estate? I am interested in kicking these two f%ck!ng defects.

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#46 Author of original report

TIC-TOC TIC-TOC Your time is almost up PMG!!! PCS Professional Consulting Service, Summit Consulting, Mentoring of America, Amazing Profits, National Real Estate Investors Institute, National Training Conference, Netgateway, Inetseminars, etc. etc. etc.

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 01, 2005

Bad move PMG!!! I told you to BACK OFF!!! You better CALL OFF YOUR HITMEN!

FYI: All e-mails and phone calls are being traced. You made a CRUTIAL mistake. You should have taken my advice and BACKED OFF ALREADY!!!

We know who you are. We have the ip addresses as well as the names and addresses that belong to those e-mails. We also have the name and address of the person belonging to the cell phone. We actually have the name of the real person using the cloned phone too as well as their personal information. Proxy servers do NOT work with the people watching my identity. You cannot hide behind AOL either or YAHOO for that matter. There is NO place to hide.

Did I mention? REALLY, REALLY BAD MOVE!!! Threats do NOT scare me. BTWthere are sooooooooooooo many people watching my identity right now, I would not try anything foolish like before! That would be a REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BAD MOVE!

I hope you are watching the news PMG! They are changing all of the laws before they come for you and all of your crones (all of the other business entities). TIME IS ALMOST UP!

By the way, recent hacking attempts have not worked, NOR WILL THEY! Keep trying though. It gives me more evidence.

For everyone else's information, I do not respond personally to any of the e-mails or phone calls I receive. All information is being passed through to the proper authorities and channels due to the nature of the threats I am receiving.

Please do not hesitate to contact me by e-mail if you would like to be a part of the class action lawsuit, just do not expect a reply from me. You may however receive a reply from anyone helping to protect my identity. My e-mail contact information is listed in the above updates.

Join in the pursuit of justice today!

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#45 Consumer Suggestion

PMG Is Fraudulent!

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 09, 2005

Hey there Rebecca,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

A little over a year ago, I too, have fallen for this "mentoring" nonsense. Don't waste too much time trying to get a refund from this fraudulent company, but instead contact your credit card immediately and dispute the charge.

Hopefully you have become aware of PMG's fraudulent activities in the little time window in which to do so.

In case you've exceeded the duration in which to rightfully dispute the charge, follow the EDitor's suggestions on how to sucessfully "Get Your Money Back Into Your Account."

DON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER! credit card companies are often responsible for fraudulent activities in the first place, for constantly allowing charges to go through to companies in which they already knew were fraudulent.

NOTICE: Representative from MBNA specifically told me "John Beck Mentoring Institute is a really bad merchant." Yeeeah, thank's for the heads up!

Thanks MBNA for failing to notify me of this fact, while deliberately allowing my money to end up in the hands of this "bad merchant."

Trust me, these fraudulent "mentoring" programs have nothing, which would allow them to run away with your money. John Beck is an "attorney", and yet still won't come forward to defend his little scam.

The reason for this is he's aware, that I have an interest in a video taped interview/discussion, where all of his victims ask questions in a public setting, thus uncovering his scam and holding him accountable of reimbursing each and every victim of his devious scam.

Until next time, take care Rebecca along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#44 Consumer Comment

Response to Pattie's (PMG's General Counsel) Response

AUTHOR: Rebecca - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 09, 2005

This rebuttal is meant specifically as a response to Pattie's comments made to Laureen on 1/4/2005. I too feel that my partners and I have been scammed by PMG. We have tried to receive a refund and I/we were quite surprised by some of the statements made in Pattie's posting. Pattie stated that when she reviewed Laureen's file, it showed that Laureen had received assistance from the company 32 times. For all intents and purposes, that doesn't mean a whole lot. When my partners and I felt scammed and requested a refund, we were told that our file stated numerous things that were very misleading. I don't trust what is stated in the "files". Our mentor, Randall Jones, reported in our file that we failed to complete our weekly homework assignments. However, he never gave us any to complete.

In addition, Pattie stated that Laureen received a refund and that PMG takes "prompt action to resolve customer issues". When my partners and I tried to get our money refunded, we were told by Devin Willis that PMG does not give refunds. This is obviously untrue. We tried speaking with Mr. Willis about our unhappiness with the program, but we were treated rudely and felt that our concerns were dismissed. If PMG is prompt in handling customer concerns, why haven't we recieved a refund? I have sent several emails to various people at PMG voicing my concerns and have not heard a response from one of them. I do not consider that prompt or anywhere remotely close to customer service.

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#43 Consumer Suggestion

John Beck Is A Shameless And Crooked Attorney!

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 30, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: I don't care what Infomercial you've seen, what magazine ad you've read, what newspaper classifieds you've skimmed through, there's no such thing as legitimate "wealth building" programs, where they "mentor" total strangers to success.

THEY'RE ALL SCAMS! Also, there's no such thing as legitimate envelope stuffing programs, medical billing programs, etc, etc.

1. Businesses that perform high volume mail outs now use machines to carry out their mass production mailing.

2. It would be far cheaper and more productive to pay a few employees hourly wages with benefits, as opposed to paying "$1.00 per envelope stuffed as per a fraudulent company's instructions." LOL at the ENVELOPE STUFFING SCAM.

3. Medical billing programs are ALL fraudulent. This task is, and has always been performed by the staff of each individual medical professional.

Just do the math and you will come to the logical conclusion, that it would make absolutely no sense for any medical professional to contract this work out to the general public.

Why the f%ck would any medical professional be willing to pay thousands for people to perform this simple task, when there are literally thousands unemployed, that would do it for minimum wage?

4. Mentoring programs are ALL scams. Legitimate "mentoring" programs have never, and will never exist, as it would make no sense for any professional to package up his or her "wealth building" knowledge, and market it cheaper than the profit potential claimed.

5. John Beck is a dirty, two timing, dishonest, con artist, who posseses no morals, no itegrity and no scrupules. John Beck is a total disgrace to the word "attorney", the United States and the human race.

Is being an attorney nowadays that bad? Not enough business to go around? LOL.

Does anyone know how we can make our reports come up higher on major search engines? Let's keep everyone informed on how to do this via the rebuttal box, as it seems crooks now have the advantage by PAYING large sums of money to fraudulently advertise and have their sites somehow come up higher on search engines.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Hey scum bag Mike Evans from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, still smoking
d!ck? F%ck you b*****d for ruining my life!

I hope that you're still searching this site and find my postings amusing. You're my free insurance policy, that I live a long and happy life! What do you think?

Give me a call and have my check ready, if you're interested in cancelling this policy.

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#42 Consumer Suggestion

Just A Little John Beck Humour.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 29, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: John Beck's Free And Clear/Amazing Profits/"mentoring" programs, along with all the rest of his Real Estate Seminars and "wealth building" programs are ALL scams.

It's not a matter of opinion and just a mere case of heir say. This f%ck!ng unscrupulous b*****d is an attorney! LOL at this result of incest and disgrace to the human race.

There are no such thing as legitimate "mentoring" programs.

Any businesses claiming to have an interest in "mentoring" one to wealth, are fraudulent third party marketing companies, that operate via illegal boiler room operations.

These scam "mentoring" operations employ drug attics, "result of incest" beings, high school drop outs, ex-prison inmates and various other leeches, that can't obtain honest and legitimate employment elsewhere.

YEEEEAH! I WANT AN ATTORNEY ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH A SCAM OPERATION AND A BUNCH OF IMBREEDS TO REPRESENT ME IN A COURT OF LAW! LOL.

FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY: I am offering telephone sex "mentoring" courses for anyone and everyone, that may be interested in possibly earning a six figure yearly income.

Contact me through this website and have your credit card handy. The cost of my "mentoring" program is only what one has "available" on their credit card.

SATISFACTION GUARANTEE: I am offering a complete 30 day satisfaction guarantee, in which one needs to contact their credit card company to dispute the transaction in order to be refunded.

I set up my transactions this way, because there are MANY and I do mean MANY, that won't dispute the transaction, thus allowing me to illegally retain their money.

I am also offering all interested takers a "3 day right to cancel" clause in our agreement, where I will continuously give them the run around long enough for this lure to expire.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Mike Evans from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute is gay and smokes d!ck!

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#41 Consumer Suggestion

Just A Little John Beck Humour.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 29, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: John Beck's Free And Clear/Amazing Profits/"mentoring" programs, along with all the rest of his Real Estate Seminars and "wealth building" programs are ALL scams.

It's not a matter of opinion and just a mere case of heir say. This f%ck!ng unscrupulous b*****d is an attorney! LOL at this result of incest and disgrace to the human race.

There are no such thing as legitimate "mentoring" programs.

Any businesses claiming to have an interest in "mentoring" one to wealth, are fraudulent third party marketing companies, that operate via illegal boiler room operations.

These scam "mentoring" operations employ drug attics, "result of incest" beings, high school drop outs, ex-prison inmates and various other leeches, that can't obtain honest and legitimate employment elsewhere.

YEEEEAH! I WANT AN ATTORNEY ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH A SCAM OPERATION AND A BUNCH OF IMBREEDS TO REPRESENT ME IN A COURT OF LAW! LOL.

FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY: I am offering telephone sex "mentoring" courses for anyone and everyone, that may be interested in possibly earning a six figure yearly income.

Contact me through this website and have your credit card handy. The cost of my "mentoring" program is only what one has "available" on their credit card.

SATISFACTION GUARANTEE: I am offering a complete 30 day satisfaction guarantee, in which one needs to contact their credit card company to dispute the transaction in order to be refunded.

I set up my transactions this way, because there are MANY and I do mean MANY, that won't dispute the transaction, thus allowing me to illegally retain their money.

I am also offering all interested takers a "3 day right to cancel" clause in our agreement, where I will continuously give them the run around long enough for this lure to expire.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Mike Evans from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute is gay and smokes d!ck!

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Just A Little John Beck Humour.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 29, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: John Beck's Free And Clear/Amazing Profits/"mentoring" programs, along with all the rest of his Real Estate Seminars and "wealth building" programs are ALL scams.

It's not a matter of opinion and just a mere case of heir say. This f%ck!ng unscrupulous b*****d is an attorney! LOL at this result of incest and disgrace to the human race.

There are no such thing as legitimate "mentoring" programs.

Any businesses claiming to have an interest in "mentoring" one to wealth, are fraudulent third party marketing companies, that operate via illegal boiler room operations.

These scam "mentoring" operations employ drug attics, "result of incest" beings, high school drop outs, ex-prison inmates and various other leeches, that can't obtain honest and legitimate employment elsewhere.

YEEEEAH! I WANT AN ATTORNEY ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH A SCAM OPERATION AND A BUNCH OF IMBREEDS TO REPRESENT ME IN A COURT OF LAW! LOL.

FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY: I am offering telephone sex "mentoring" courses for anyone and everyone, that may be interested in possibly earning a six figure yearly income.

Contact me through this website and have your credit card handy. The cost of my "mentoring" program is only what one has "available" on their credit card.

SATISFACTION GUARANTEE: I am offering a complete 30 day satisfaction guarantee, in which one needs to contact their credit card company to dispute the transaction in order to be refunded.

I set up my transactions this way, because there are MANY and I do mean MANY, that won't dispute the transaction, thus allowing me to illegally retain their money.

I am also offering all interested takers a "3 day right to cancel" clause in our agreement, where I will continuously give them the run around long enough for this lure to expire.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Mike Evans from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute is gay and smokes d!ck!

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#39 Consumer Suggestion

Just A Little John Beck Humour.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 29, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: John Beck's Free And Clear/Amazing Profits/"mentoring" programs, along with all the rest of his Real Estate Seminars and "wealth building" programs are ALL scams.

It's not a matter of opinion and just a mere case of heir say. This f%ck!ng unscrupulous b*****d is an attorney! LOL at this result of incest and disgrace to the human race.

There are no such thing as legitimate "mentoring" programs.

Any businesses claiming to have an interest in "mentoring" one to wealth, are fraudulent third party marketing companies, that operate via illegal boiler room operations.

These scam "mentoring" operations employ drug attics, "result of incest" beings, high school drop outs, ex-prison inmates and various other leeches, that can't obtain honest and legitimate employment elsewhere.

YEEEEAH! I WANT AN ATTORNEY ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH A SCAM OPERATION AND A BUNCH OF IMBREEDS TO REPRESENT ME IN A COURT OF LAW! LOL.

FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY: I am offering telephone sex "mentoring" courses for anyone and everyone, that may be interested in possibly earning a six figure yearly income.

Contact me through this website and have your credit card handy. The cost of my "mentoring" program is only what one has "available" on their credit card.

SATISFACTION GUARANTEE: I am offering a complete 30 day satisfaction guarantee, in which one needs to contact their credit card company to dispute the transaction in order to be refunded.

I set up my transactions this way, because there are MANY and I do mean MANY, that won't dispute the transaction, thus allowing me to illegally retain their money.

I am also offering all interested takers a "3 day right to cancel" clause in our agreement, where I will continuously give them the run around long enough for this lure to expire.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Mike Evans from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute is gay and smokes d!ck!

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#38 Consumer Comment

Federal Stautes Re Bait Advertising & Deception

AUTHOR: Anthony - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 27, 2005

Code of Federal Regulations, Title 16, Part 238

The primary aim of a bait advertisement is to obtain leads as to persons interested in buying merchandise of the type so advertised

Code of Federal Regulations, Title 16, Part 238.2(b)

"Even though the true facts are subsequently made known to the viewer, the law is violated if the first contact or interview is secured by deception."

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PMG uses "bait advertisements" and "deception" as defined by the COde of Federal Regulations.

Since PMG solicits and does business across state lines, PMG violates Federal fraud statutes.

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#37 Consumer Suggestion

Possible Identity Theft.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 25, 2005

Hey there Laureen,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Recently I have been contacted by MBNA and were notified about fraudulent tranactions appearing on my credit card. I'm hoping that my identity hasn't been stolen.

Anyway for me to find out if my identity had been stolen and if so, who's behind the identity theft? It wouldn't surprise me one bit, if John Beck (the "attorney") had something to do with the activity.

He has already proven, by just being affiliated with the fraudulent PMG, that he is dishonest, has no morals, integrity, or self worth.

Until next time, take care Laureen cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. I apologize for taking your posting out of context. I should've read it in it's entirety and understood it, before jumping to conclusions. Remember, I'm on your side.

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#36 Consumer Suggestion

Possible Identity Theft.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 25, 2005

Hey there Laureen,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Recently I have been contacted by MBNA and were notified about fraudulent tranactions appearing on my credit card. I'm hoping that my identity hasn't been stolen.

Anyway for me to find out if my identity had been stolen and if so, who's behind the identity theft? It wouldn't surprise me one bit, if John Beck (the "attorney") had something to do with the activity.

He has already proven, by just being affiliated with the fraudulent PMG, that he is dishonest, has no morals, integrity, or self worth.

Until next time, take care Laureen cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. I apologize for taking your posting out of context. I should've read it in it's entirety and understood it, before jumping to conclusions. Remember, I'm on your side.

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#35 Consumer Suggestion

Possible Identity Theft.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 25, 2005

Hey there Laureen,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Recently I have been contacted by MBNA and were notified about fraudulent tranactions appearing on my credit card. I'm hoping that my identity hasn't been stolen.

Anyway for me to find out if my identity had been stolen and if so, who's behind the identity theft? It wouldn't surprise me one bit, if John Beck (the "attorney") had something to do with the activity.

He has already proven, by just being affiliated with the fraudulent PMG, that he is dishonest, has no morals, integrity, or self worth.

Until next time, take care Laureen cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. I apologize for taking your posting out of context. I should've read it in it's entirety and understood it, before jumping to conclusions. Remember, I'm on your side.

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#34 Consumer Suggestion

Possible Identity Theft.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 25, 2005

Hey there Laureen,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Recently I have been contacted by MBNA and were notified about fraudulent tranactions appearing on my credit card. I'm hoping that my identity hasn't been stolen.

Anyway for me to find out if my identity had been stolen and if so, who's behind the identity theft? It wouldn't surprise me one bit, if John Beck (the "attorney") had something to do with the activity.

He has already proven, by just being affiliated with the fraudulent PMG, that he is dishonest, has no morals, integrity, or self worth.

Until next time, take care Laureen cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. I apologize for taking your posting out of context. I should've read it in it's entirety and understood it, before jumping to conclusions. Remember, I'm on your side.

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#33 Consumer Comment

It seems that I may be WAKING UP people to the fact that they too might have been a VICTIM OF IDENTITY THEFT!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 24, 2005

Reid,

I think you missed the point I was trying to make by listing all of the above names. I did a search on this site for PMG. ALL of these names listed on these reports linked to PMG's name, including the John Beck mentoring program! That means that PMG is behind ALL of these scams in one way or another.

The purpose of me listing all of the names to this posting of PMG is to link this page to all of those other names that PMG promotes. This way, people will be able to see that PMG is behind a multitude of the business entities here. Although each business entity may not be that big of a business, if you combine the fraudulent income of all of these businesses, I believe this is one of the BIGGEST CONS going around!

I believe that anyone who these business entities contacted has had their identity stolen. When someone's identity is stolen, most cases go unreported simply because the victim is not aware that someone has stolen their identity.

In this case, instead of PMG actually fraudulently charging your credit card, they are persuading you to give them the information to fleece you. In the end, they still end up with the money. They neglect to tell you that they ALREADY had your credit information before they called you! Unless you had someone new calling you, who was in training, slip up and admit to the cost of the program being the same dollar amount of credit you had available (like in my case), you would not know your identity was stolen. I DID think it was odd that the $13000 cost of the program happened to be the amount of available credit on my credit card but I could not make the connection that my identity had been hacked or stolen until I found out my computer was hacked. Most people do not know much about computer security. They do not know how EASILY someone can take their identity from right under their nose. I certainly did not know until it was too late. The computer hack was how they gained my e-mail address for the initial bait as well as all of my personal information.

Now all I can do is inform the public about my ordeal and maybe prevent it happening to others. In this case, it seems that I may be WAKING UP people to the fact that they too might have been a VICTIM OF IDENTITY THEFT.

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#32 Consumer Suggestion

Infomercials Are Scams.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 24, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: Disregard any and all businesses claiming to have an interest and ability to "mentor" you, a total stranger, to success. Mentoring programs have been PROVEN by myself and many others to be nothing but scams.

PMI, PMG, John Beck Mentoring Institute and ALL other businesses out of the state of Utah especially, claiming to have an interest and ability to "mentor" one to success are ALL scams.

Gee, over one year has passed since I've been scammed by the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Insitute, and not a single imbreed from ANY "mentoring" company has come forward to PROVE their program legitimate.

It's really this simple, If a business and their program were legitimate, they would definitely jump at any opportunity to come forward and discuss their program in the public eye.

Fraudulent businesses rather market their bogus programs through the use of Infomercials, where they are able to hide disclaimers deep in the fine print, make UNSUBSTANTIATED claims, and use UNPROVEN testimonials. INFOMERCIALS ARE PAID FOR!

Infomercials are paid for, thus fraudulent businesess are at liberty to flat out lie while using this medium.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Mike Evans from the fraudulent John beck mentoring Institute is a homosexual who smokes
d!ck!

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#31 Consumer Suggestion

There's No Such Business Selling Legitimate Wealth Building Programs.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 23, 2005

Hey there Laureen along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Great job in posting the names of the many fraudulent business, offering fraudulent programs to the public.

I have a better way however, in determing what businesses are legit and which ones are scams.

ALL businesses peddling "wealth building" programs are scams! There are no legitimate businesses, which are willing and able to set people up in their own businesses.

Businesses have nothing to gain by setting people up in their own businesses, especially if the income potential claimed, exceeds the amount charged for the program. Just won't happen in the real world.

WARNING: Wealth Building programs in opportunity magazines, Infomercials, newspaper classifieds, etc, etc, are ALL scams.

Businesses that promote "wealth building" programs do so to produce another stream of profits, while generating an enourmous pool of victims to advertise for their company. SCAAAMS!

Before conducting business with ANY company, inquire about a video taped interview/discussion. Any legitimate businesses that had nothing to hide would definitely not be opposed to the idea.

After all, businesses literally spend millions to shoot and air Infomercials?

Until next time, take care Laureen along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#30 Author of original report

Auctions for Income, NMR, IDI, Auctions 4 Income, Quicksite National Marketing Resources, National Marketing Resources, Iworks, Inc, Virtual Contact Inc, Paynet Merchant Services, Professional Marketing International, the list goes on & on & on & on ...

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 23, 2005

Auctions for Income, NMR, IDI, Auctions 4 Income, Quicksite National Marketing Resources, National Marketing Resources, Iworks, Inc, Virtual Contact Inc, Paynet Merchant Services, Professional Marketing International, PMI Coaching, ITC Internet Treasure Chest, IDI Global, Summit Consulting, Online Supplier Coaching, onlinesupplier.com, online supplier, Netgateway, StoresOnline.com, Galaxy Mall, Imergent, Internet Treasure Chest, Stores Online, Foreclosureworld, Summit Group, Summit Consulting, Internet Development, Income Success Team, The Tax Club, Links 4 Trade, Professional Consulting Services, PCS, nmrcoaching, pmicoaching, quicksite builder, Nathan Kenyon, Dave Espino, Jim Cochran, Greg Cooper, Frank Kerns, Colton Moody, Dolf De Roos

Visitors, please take time to read EVERY word on this page. There is important information contained in the text about how these companies may have obtained your personal and financial information, steps you can take to protect your identity, and how to spot a fraudulent offer! It is definitely worth the time to read. Also, read between the lines in order to see who is all reading and commenting on this page.

There is an unbelievable response to my posting my e-mail contact information through my SkatersParadICE.com website! At this point-in-time, I am only collecting names and e-mail addresses of those willing to join in the pursuit of justice. Please, if you have a similar problem in dealing with any of the companies on this page, fill out your own RipOffReport now. The more individual reports filed, the better.

For some reason RipOffReport, I cannot log into my old account and had to create a new one. I can log in here as a consumer only under my old account information. I tried to e-mail you about this but my e-mails were bounced back.This has been going on for a few days now. Thank you.

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#29 Author of original report

EPI, epibiz, power profit system, mentors in motion, passport to millions, wealth and self, cash secrets, all names connected with Emerald Passport New Scam!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 13, 2005

It looks like someone has been busy pushing a "new business"! After searching the internet for information on Emerald Passport, I noticed that this site was launched from one of PMG's "existing entities",PMI. Please read the following links associated with this "new venture".

WARNING:Please make sure you have the following INSTALLED on your computer BEFORE visiting any of these sites.

2 spyware programs to scan your computer after you visit these pages, what one program does not pick up the other one will

firewall

antivirus protection

router

cookie delete program

trojan and keylogger scanner

program to show all the port connections

Ad Blocker

Pop-Up Stopper

Why you may ask? It is simple. These pages are LOADED with SPYWARE! The spyware on these pages includes tracer cookies, browser hijacks, trojans, and many more "information tracking programs" to view all of your internet habits and perhaps take your identity. My computer is heavily secured and tells me what is trying to get in! Get the spyware off these pages PMG!

Now, here is a list of SOME of the websites related to Emerald Passport.

http://www.3dcity.com/dollars4u
http://www.3dcity.com/asx_files/4mins_hi.html
http://www.3dcity.com/ambition
http://www.epibiz.com/ambition
http://www.epibiz.com/forbes/
http://www.epibiz.com/forbes/html/forbes.html
http://www.epibiz.com/html/testimonials.cfm
http://www.wealthandself.com/index.cfm
http://www.epassportinc.com/home_frameset.cfm
http://ambition.powerprofitdaily.com
http://www.emeraldpublications.com/training_success.asp
http://www.profitmastersteam.com/PMI/homepage.html
http://www.timeandresources.com
http://www.emeraldpassport.cc/ambition
http://www.emeraldpassport.cc/insight
http://www.emerald-passport.net
http://www.emeraldpublications.com/training_success.asp
http://cash2gold.com/
http://powerprofitsystem.com/
http://powerprofitteam.com/
http://www.money-talk.org
http://mentorsinmotion.com/
http://mentorsinmotion.net
http://www.weekly-calls.com/
http://www.weekly-calls.net
http://www.yourpowersystem.biz/thankyou.php?userid=canx_market
http://www.profitmastersteam.com/PMI/homepage.html
http://payyourselfnow.com/home/main.asp
http://go4gold.net
http://www.eliteteammarketing.com/14384/
http://www.eliteteammarketing.com/14384/
http://makefreedomareality.com/
http://www.herbalife.com/hl/templates/templatepreportal/herbalife/opp/findASponsor.jsp?GTSE=Goog>KW=business%20from%20home
http://www.4incomeonline.com/?refid=sg
http://passport2millions.net/PMI/movie.asp?id=caw
http://www.thecashsecrets.com/cgi-bin/plexum.pl?page=home&id=chrisward
http://www.wealthandself.com/html/panama.cfm
http://www.wealthandself.com
http://www.epassportinc.com/register/terms.cfm?repl_member_id=96900
http://spfreedom.com/cgi-bin/network-marketing-leads.cgi
http://get-rich-from-home.biz/?refid=ppc-567881629
http://www.cash4customers.co.uk/?OVRAW=work%20from%20home&OVKEY=work%20from%20home&OVMTC=standard
http://www.thedreamclick.co.uk/
http://www.siteads.biz/index.asp?type=pmi
http://www.powerprofitteam-epi.com/
http://www.emeraldpassport-ppt.com/
http://www.golickmarketing.com/

Someone has been busy putting out

Press releases that "anyone" can write to try to make the company look legit. (That was in PMG's online manual.)

Bogus links to magazine and news pages like the New York Times, http://listings.nytimes.com/businessopportunities/View_Listing.asp?Lid=80-BIZ412152&CategoryId=BIZOPS
This is the creation of phony website pages to try to make the business look legit. When in doubt, go to the "real" site and try to find the page. Also, take note of the web address of pages similar. If you notice "clean addresses" from the real site and the page posted for the "bogus" link has a lot of characters, then you know the page is phony. I wonder what the New York Times would think of this page?

Classified ads for "help wanted" http://www.newyorkjobs.com/jobdetails.cfm?jid=17336
(that is interesting reading, warning: do NOT send them your resume):
Description
We're looking for new people to join our team and work independently from home.
Make 5-10k/month.
This means that you really do not know who you are dealing with since they can hide their identity behind a phony business.

There are even sites to post your "experience" with the company. Do NOT trust these sites! One of PMG's tactics was to create these posting sites as well as webrings. Then you need to create several identities. Then you need to have a conversation with all of the identities. This is supposed to help increase the ranking of their sites, but it deceives the "general public" who visit them! PMG promoted this deceit!

If you have been scammed by any of the "Names of Businesses" listed anywhere on this posting or page, do NOT respond to any other e-mails about home businesses. I have read many posts where people were scammed by the "same company" hiding behind a different name and web front. It has now become obvious to me what they are doing after being able to link all of these "business names" by all of the postings on this site! No wonder PMG does not like this site. EXPOSED!

Once your computer was infected, there is no way of knowing how much information these companies have on your identity. There are some FREE software programs and websites where you can go to scan your computer. Just be careful that the sites you go to are legit. A good site to trust is downloads.com.

If they scam you the first time and you get a refund for the "majority" but not "all" of your investment, do NOT be surprised when the company will come back under a different name and tactic, whether it is through a phone call, e-mail, or mail.

Stay away from any of the websites claiming to make you "wealthy overnight" and "take you out of debt" in a short period of time. My advice would be stay away from anything related to PMG!

By the way Reid, I see that PMG has not responded to any of your questions. I wonder what they are hiding? LOL When a company cannot come forward in the public eye like this page or on video for an interview by the public and NOT by e-mail or a phone call, then they are definately SHADY! They also need to stop attacking the people who are victims in their crooked business practices!

Since PMG's posting of my last name on this site, I am asking that people direct all correspondence to me by e-mail through my website, SkatersParadICE.com, and please do not call. You may forward me your contact information if you would like to pursue justice against any of these "companies".

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All of the above fraudulent activities

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 13, 2005

Just a question; how does one go about getting a full refund of their money if they are not receiving what they thought they paid for? Is it possible to get a full refund and where does one go for legitimate help. Thank you.

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More Questions For Devin.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 11, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

REID: Hey Devin- I appreciate your invitation to contact you to discuss your program. Unfortunately, your invitation seems very shady in that it severely lacks "openess".

Why do you find it such a problem answering my simple questions out in the open? Fraudulent "mentoring" programs seem to have no problem discussing their prorams via PAID Infomercials, PAID magazine advertisements, etc, etc.

Please stop ducking my questions, because I have many more.

MORE QUESTIONS FOR DEVIN:

1. What the hell is OPM?

2. What kind of guarantee does your program offer?I'm not referring to any income guarantees, but rather any guarantee, that what is pithed by your company is delivered according to the agreement.

3. Why isn't your company willing to disclose ABSOLUTE FACTS about your company and bogus program in the public eye and on neutral grounds? Frauduelent companies seem to have no problem disclosing unsubstantiated claims on their Infomercials, websites, etc, etc.

4. Why the need for discreet contact?

5. Why not make it easier for everyone by answering my questions and acknowledging the many complaints regarding your company out in the open?

6. Why have you and or your company posted the name of a non-existant "legal counselor"?

7. Who the hell is Pattie?

8. If pattie is indeed a real person, why the need to remain anonymous, after feeling compelled to disclose her title as "legal counselor"?

9. Was introducing "Pattie" (legal counselor) just a scare tactic? If so, it obviously hasn't worked.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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Let's Be Very Open.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 11, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

DEVIN: Reid and and anyone else who has questions-Let's deal with the facts because I think it is important to talk openly:

REID: Why don't we start with the questions posted on this website? Let's be very candid now that we both agree on the importance of "open" communication.

Let's put all the "hiding" behind crooked attorneys, "clauses" in contracts which bind victims to pay for services never rendered, attempts at frivilous litigation, etc, etc, behind us.

DEVIN: If you would like to talk please openly give me a call and let's talk about our program. I am proud of what we have to offer our students and yes their success.

REID: Are you willing to furnish documented PROOF of any of your students success? Have you even considered meeting with me personally to have a video taped interview?

I whole heartedly believe, that any legitimate business would jump at the opportunity of a video taped interview/discussion, for it would save any business thousands, perhaps millions on unecessary PAID Infomercials.

DEVIN: I am willing to answer all questions on above items and give extra info where needed. Feel free to call or e-mail me.

REID: Thank you for your offer, but you still sound a little tentative about an open discussion.

DEVIN: Devin Willis
Student Care Manager
Phone 800-748-5199 Ext 4056
Fax 801-374-2358
Home e-mail devin.willis@comcast.net
Work email devin@pmgmentors.com

BTW-I never claimed to be a expert in gramar. I only claim to want to help our students to succeed.

REID: While we're on the topic of "success", would you simply state for the record, the EXACT success to failure ratio of your program?

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. I have to assume, that "pattie" (imaginary legal counselor) does not exist, just as legitimate "mentoring" programs don't.

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To Peppermint Pattie: Silly Rabbit Tricks Are For Kids.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 10, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

FOR THE LAST TIME, WHAT'S PATTIES LAST NAME? I find it very disturbing for an imaginary woman to come forward, put in her two sense, and upon being asked to provide her last name, fails to do so.

ANYONE & EVERYONE, that had been working for a legitimate company and had nothing to hide would definitely be willing to furnish this information. It's a simple question!

YEEEEAAH! We all know the presidents full name, but imaginary Peppermint Patties last name is "top secret". WHAT A F%CK!NG JOKE!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

TO PEPPERMINT PATTIE: Contact me you silly "legal counselor". I would love to meet you, or one of your colleagues in person to conduct a one on one interview and have the session recorded by a member of my video crew.

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I am willing to answer all questions

AUTHOR: Devin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 10, 2005

Reid and and anyone else who has questions-

Let's deal with the facts because I think it is important to talk openly:

If you would like to talk please openly give me a call and let's talk about our program. I am proud of what we have to offer our students and yes their success.

I am willing to answer all questions on above items and give extra info where needed. Feel free to call or e-mail me.

Devin Willis
Student Care Manager
Phone 800-748-5199 Ext 4056
Fax 801-374-2358
Home e-mail devin.willis@comcast.net
Work email devin@pmgmentors.com


BTW-I never claimed to be a expert in gramar. I only claim to want to help our students to succeed.

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PMG And Mentoring In General Are All Scams.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, January 10, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

PMG is just another scam! I assure you, that there's no one person or business selling legitimate wealth building information via telephone "mentoring".

If a program were truly as great as these genetic imbreeds claim, they would be participating in the programs themselves as opposed to shoveling the $h!t.

Be very skeptical if the business is located in the state of Utah. I'm sure the residents of Utah are great people, however Utah seems to be the hidaway of choice for scam operations.

FACT 1: I don't give a rat's a*s Devin, If I haven't dealt with your company. One does not need to be scammed by a particular company before speaking his mind.

You have made it very easy for me to dismantle your scam, by being incapable of coming forward with FACTS, as to cotridict anything in which I've posted.

I would love to meet you someday to discuss your program in person. Would either yourself, or your imaginary "Peppermint Pattie" (legal advisor) be willing to meet me and my personal video crew?

FACT 2: What's Pattie's last name? Any legitimate company would have provided this information a long time ago, instead of hiding behind anoniminity. Oh I'm sorry, you're not a legitimate company.

QUESTION 1: Why the f%ck does your fraudulent company keep changing it's name?

QUESTION 2: Why does the cost of your fraudulent program differ from victim to victim?

QUESTION 3: Why does the restocking fee differ from victim to victim?

QUESTION 4: Does your frauduelent company tape record ones agreement to enroll? If so, WHY?

QUESTION 5: Does your fraudulent company tape record it's sales people's bogus sales pitches? If not, WHY?

QUESTION 6: Does your fraudulent company's contract include all the necessary items and pertinent information to be considered legally binding, or like John Beck's, have been drafted by a kindergardener?

QUESTION 7: Does your fraudulent company's contract stipulate the EXACT terms and conditions, policies and procedures, in the event of breach, etc, etc?

QUESTION 8: If you are truly a "success story" as you so fraudulently claim, why do you choose to work for an employer as opposed to participating in your fraudulent program full time?

QUESTION 9: If you are truly a "success story" as you so fraudulently claim, why in the world would you "mentor" others to use your strategies at a lower rate than your programs earning potential?

QUESTION 10: Why have your company's bogus sales pitches become sononymous with scams?

I have MANY other questions, but won't waste my time posting them at this time, for I am certain that Devin won't answer them with FACTUAL ANSWERS and will probably attempt to answer these with EXCUSES or worst yet, ignore them altogether.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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Emerald Passport, emeraldbiz.com ..This sounds like PMG all over!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 09, 2005

I plugged in the information you just gave me into google. The website that came back linked me to their site.

http://www.emeraldbiz.com/PMI/movie.asp?ID=CHKMARKETING

This sounds like PMG all over! The posting of this site just went up Tue Jan 04 2005, which coincidently is the same day PMG posted their first reply to this page! Look at the name PMI in the link? That is one of theirs. If this is a new company just starting up, then I would wait sometime before I invested in it. Viewing this movie will show you it is a pyramid or networking scheme, which are illegal.

If it were me, I would not do it.

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Emerald Passport, emeraldbiz.com ..This sounds like PMG all over!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 09, 2005

I plugged in the information you just gave me into google. The website that came back linked me to their site.

http://www.emeraldbiz.com/PMI/movie.asp?ID=CHKMARKETING

This sounds like PMG all over! The posting of this site just went up Tue Jan 04 2005, which coincidently is the same day PMG posted their first reply to this page! Look at the name PMI in the link? That is one of theirs. If this is a new company just starting up, then I would wait sometime before I invested in it. Viewing this movie will show you it is a pyramid or networking scheme, which are illegal.

If it were me, I would not do it.

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Emerald Passport, emeraldbiz.com ..This sounds like PMG all over!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 09, 2005

I plugged in the information you just gave me into google. The website that came back linked me to their site.

http://www.emeraldbiz.com/PMI/movie.asp?ID=CHKMARKETING

This sounds like PMG all over! The posting of this site just went up Tue Jan 04 2005, which coincidently is the same day PMG posted their first reply to this page! Look at the name PMI in the link? That is one of theirs. If this is a new company just starting up, then I would wait sometime before I invested in it. Viewing this movie will show you it is a pyramid or networking scheme, which are illegal.

If it were me, I would not do it.

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Emerald Passport, emeraldbiz.com ..This sounds like PMG all over!

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 09, 2005

I plugged in the information you just gave me into google. The website that came back linked me to their site.

http://www.emeraldbiz.com/PMI/movie.asp?ID=CHKMARKETING

This sounds like PMG all over! The posting of this site just went up Tue Jan 04 2005, which coincidently is the same day PMG posted their first reply to this page! Look at the name PMI in the link? That is one of theirs. If this is a new company just starting up, then I would wait sometime before I invested in it. Viewing this movie will show you it is a pyramid or networking scheme, which are illegal.

If it were me, I would not do it.

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PMI, Robert Allen, auction secrets, auctionsecrets.com, brightbuilder.com, bright builders, foreclosures.com, foreclosures

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 09, 2005

I would like to start by saying that the majority of what I posted is fact. I have documentation to back up all the facts listed in the above posts as well as the ones listed below.

Fact 1:
A program was sold to me be based on my available credit limit

Fact 2:
I never received my initial packet of goods and a tape recording of my verbal contract. I do not know if anyone has received that.

Fact 3:
The online tutorial and coaching was a list of all the free links on the internet.

Fact 4:
They provided me with a website that only worked on Vermotion, PMG's system.

Fact 5:
I had trouble setting up my merchant account with my local bank. They will verify that.

Fact 6:
PMG lied to me by telling me that the website was HTML when in fact it was dynamic. My webmaster was privy to that conversation.

Fact 7:
The Fortius Group never optimized or marketed my website even after months of trying to contact them by phone and e-mail.

Fact 8:
According to your edgar postings, the advice PMG received for the upgrade of the server FAILED. Note the dates of the postings were prior to the upgrade of the server. In fact, my shopping cart and website could not be supported on the new server. Records of other users or client's websites and the web pages that PMG removed substantiate this. My site was down for 3 months. In fact, I moved my domain and had to have the website rebuilt. Even after I did this, my account was continuing to be billed the $31.95 hosting fee for 4 months even though I no longer had my site with PMG or Vermotion. I eventually had to close my bank account to stop the charges. My bank statements verify this.

Fact 9:
PMG started changing their old website by removing the bug list, which listed all the problems people were having with their websites that were on the previous server and would not function on their new server as well as other pages. PMG's phones rang off the hook, which no one ever answered during this time-period. People sent hundreds or thousands of e-mails trying to find out what was going on. Then PMG had the problem that new clients would not sign up when they saw the list of bugs with their site. Next, PMG had to create a new site for the new server for their new clients thus phasing out of the existing website. Copies of the previous web pages that PMG removed from their old site have been copied and saved for future reference.

Fact 10:
PMG has changed their name once again. It was Professional Marketing Group then Private Mentoring Group, now Prosper, Inc. It is obvious that pmgmentors.com is now prosperlearning.com. Then you can type pmgmentors.com into your browser. The redirected site will be prosperlearning.com.

Fact 11:
PMG posted my name! If PMG thought that posting my last name would scare me off since my identity was stolen last year, they are WRONG! In fact, I would like to say that my identity is being heavily watched right now. Bad move! In fact, I think that they are now liable for trying to bring harm to me by posting my last name. If you do not believe me, read the above.

Fact 12:
My contract has no mention of a restocking fee or cancellation fee or now a coaching fee. I have the contract.

Fact 13:
Pattie identified herself as general counsel not legal counsel as Devin says. She will not even come forward to talk to me by identifying her full name and contact information, but she was terribly quick to post my identity out there. Now Devin is responding to me. What happened to Pattie? Does she even exist? I think not. Read the above posts to verify.

Fact 14:
I found PMG's program to be very limiting. Everything that is included in their product or package is owned by them. Then you run into the problem of trying to move it elsewhere. There seems to be much better deals out there. Most of what you are supplied with can be found on the internet for no charge. In addition, hosting costs are usually cheaper anywhere else, like $5-$10 per month. There are shopping carts out there that will work on just about any server. If you have a problem with your site and need to move it to another server, in a matter of a few minutes your site is back up and open for business. You can also purchase upgrades for the website to customize it for you. This includes gift certificate option, promotional code option, accounting/tax option and others.

Fact 15:
Then I ran into the problem that PMG's server was NOT SECURE. Anyone could view everyone's personal credit card information from the back end of the Vermotion system; that is anyone who works for them. In addition, when my computer was hacked, the hackers could view everyone's information right from my own computer screen since I could view it all. It was a good thing I discovered the hack before the store went live! On a secure site, you can only see the last 4 digits of the card, no expiration date, a transaction number, the date and the amount. At that point, even if your computer was hacked, no one would be able to see anyone's credit card information. That secures the purchasers personal and financial information. Only the merchant themselves can see all of the information; full account information, number, and expiration date. Two ways to know that a site is secure is to look for the little lock icon and the web address starts with https, s=secure.

The reason I went with my local bank as my merchant is that I wanted to know who was handling my money. After I thought about it, I did not like PMG seeing my accounting software for the business on their server. It is not a good practice to post your financial information anywhere on the internet or on a server. The program I have now transfers order information right into Quickbooks or Peachtree and for a fraction of the price. Therefore, my host does not see any of my expenses or actual checkbook as they did on Vermotion. Therefore, they cannot see the bottom line or anything going on in any other bank accounts.

Fact 16:
My initial bait came from the purchase of an e-book, Multiple Streams of Income. It was after this purchase that PMG contacted me. I would like to know how PMG got my e-mail address since I did not sign up for anything until after I received their e-mail. The switch came when PMG phoned me. My credit card receipt and initial e-mail prove this.

Pattie of PMG: As general counsel for the company in issue, I am surprised to see this posting. A review of Ms. Priputen case with the company shows that she received assistance 32 times. Notwithstanding all of the services provided, Ms. Priputen received a refund of her purchase price less the standard 20% restocking fee. As with any large company, there are times when there will be dissatisfied customers. We take prompt action to resolve customer issues, as was done in this case. There are a number of libelous statements made in this posting and we will be reviewing the same for appropriate legal action.

Laureen: I really wish PMG would get their story straight. In the above post, Pattie said that I received a refund of her purchase price less the standard 20% restocking fee. Now Devin is saying, We refunded you all of your money minus 20% for "coaching services". You received Five extra coaching session to help you make up two session you failed to show up for with your coach. Just for the record, I never missed a coaching session. There was only one session that I had to reschedule and one that Lorin Hardy, the coach rescheduled due to scheduling conflicts, which occurred a few days in advance of the scheduled time. I did not receive an extra five coaching sessions! Besides, why would you give me 5 more sessions if I missed 2? Also, get your story straight PMG. Was it a 20% restocking fee or 20% coaching services or 20% cancellation fee as per my e-mail? Some people received a full refund, some less a 10% cancellation fee, some 15%, 20% and so on. Others received a full refund less a restocking fee or coaching fee. None of these fees are even mentioned in my written contract. Therefore, I have not received a full refund. In fact, since I had to have my site rebuilt and moved, PMG is responsible for all of my time that I put into their useless site, for the construction of the new site, as well as all of the hosting fees, interest payments on my credit card, and any out-of-pocket expenses related to this venture. Therefore, I am still awaiting a full refund. Something for all the aggravation would be nice too. I will not hold my breath.

PMG: It seems most of the people that posted here are not out to report facts, but rather their stories that are blined by anger and frustratation at perhaps a company or a person or themselves that are driving them attack blindly and if the truth is a casualty (Notice that blinded and frustration are spelled wrong). (I wonder who is blinded and frustrated.)

Laureen: The fact is, all I reported was facts! They did get one thing right. I am angry. Angry that PMG has taken advantage of many people. I did not like being blown-off especially after I spent so much money on this program. The only people PMG cares about is themselves and their pocketbook! Since this posting as well as numerous others, PMG is losing some business. Now they are going to respond to me in a nice way after they attacked me and threatened me? They should have thought about what they were going to say before they threatened me. Bad move! If they had listened to me in the beginning, I would not have had to push the matter this far.

I find it odd that no one has posted anything on the internet about being turned down by PMG. Perhaps, that is because PMG knows your credit and bank history before they contact you. They do not waste any time calling people who do not have the money. I know in my case, they knew how much available credit I had since their first offer of $13000 happened to be all that I had available on that card.

Also, Devin, if your website is so successful, why are you still working for PMG? I think you should get the website off the ground quick just in case PMG, now Prosper, Inc. goes under. As a side note, if pmg in a google search does not bring back anything negative try pmgmentors or any other combination of names and try reading the first 10 pages and try other terms as I suggested in a previous post. You might be surprised how many negative reports are out there about all your entities.

I think the people working for PMG better go back to school. Their grammar and language is not befitting for a big company. In addition, Pattie needs to go back to law school and finish getting her degree before she threatens people. PMG forgets that most of the people they talked into purchasing their products they sold on the fact that this was an investment and there was a lot of work involved and that it was not a get rich quick scheme. That means that they are dealing with people who can think for themselves not those who work for other businesses and cannot think for themselves.

For the record, I take that statement Devin quoted Complainers like yourself are usually good at stating problems in such an accusing manner that it is hard to sort out the true problems from the complaints. Complainers tend to blame others when something goes wrong. They feel powerless to fix the things they complain about. They rely on others to fix things because this allows them to believe that they are free of faults. This seems to be the way you are comming off on the place..." PERSONNALLY. It almost sounds as if PMG wrote this reply themselves. By the way, how can we verify any of your success stories? How can we know that PMG did not write them or that the people even exist? Even if you could call the people, how do we know if they are legit and that they do not work for PMG? After all the lies PMG told me, I would not trust anything they say.


For the record, I am not a complainer who blames others when something goes wrong. If it is my fault, I accept responsibility. PMG had the server that would not work after the upgrade. The Fortius Group, a supplier for PMG, never optimized my site. PMG took the accounting software away from me. PMG overcharged my bank account for hosting fees after the site moved to another server. PMG lied to me about the site being HTML not dynamic. In fact, I had the website rebuilt and moved so that it does work. I have had a few minor problems with the site. I certainly do not know everything about building a site. That is why I have a webmaster, Netlinkz.net. I pay for this service and they deliver, unlike PMG. I think PMG should own up to their faults and stop blaming everyone else.

How dare Devin says, To most of them, trashing the truth is o.k if it jusifies the means. I have no doubt that people here are hurting and upset, but it is hurting innocent parties in the process. An example is Reid. He has never delt with our company and yet attacks us. How does this help any one ? It does not. I cannot believe that was the goal of Ed Magedson, when he developed this website. (Note spelling mistakes justifies and dealt.)

PMG is now trying to blame the host of this site. They are trying to put a guilt trip on Ed Magedson for posting everyone's comments. BACK OFF PMG!

In addition, Reid had problems with the John Beck Mentoring program, a division of their company. Even though PMG did not deal with him directly, they support and push the John Beck Mentoring program and make money off it. That makes PMG responsible for his problems, not me!

I find it funny that PMG is now asking me to sign a disclosure. Why are they asking now? They posted my last name without my permission. For the record, I AM NOT SIGNING ANYTHING! If I were PMG, I would watch my step closely and BACK OFF!

There seems to be a lot of identity theft going on here. PMG had my personal and financial information before they ever contacted me. They are hiding their identity by hiding behind so many business names as well as different phone numbers and addresses. They also had access to thousands of names and personal and financial information from anyone who purchased anything from any of the websites they host. Their names differ slightly from other names people have posted. Pattie does not have a last name. Does she even exist? Too bad PMG cannot produce her. Now I have to deal with Devin. Is it Devin Willis or Devin Williams or something altogether different? I think not. They can deal with my attorney. It is a little too late to talk, especially after they attacked me.

My advice to people is close all your credit card accounts. Get a new number assigned for each card you have since you do not know how much credit information might be out there. Change any passwords too. Then get copies of your credit reports from the 3 major companies, Equifax, TransUnion, and Experian. By placing a fraud alert on your credit you can receive free copies of your credit report. Scan your computers for trojans and keyloggers. Put on an anti-virus program and firewall. Buy a router, which is a hardware firewall and will not allow anything to pass through it without your permission. This is the best and cheapest investment to secure your computer and I highly recommend it. Purchase a router for $30 - $75 at Radio Shack or any other electronic store. Download a free or paid spy-ware program. Delete cookies from your computer on a daily basis. Get a new e-mail account. Close the old one and assign a completely different password that is not a pet or child's name, birth date, phone number, social security number, or any other previously used password. A combination of letters and numbers works best. There are some easy fixes to do to your computer to ensure that no one can take your personal information and steal your identity from under your nose. Although you can order from a secure site, it does not ensure you that your computer is secure. By the way, recent hacking attempts on my computer have not worked, nor will they.

If I were you PMG, I would BACK OFF NOW!

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This Is Definitely A Scam.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 09, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

DEVIN: It seems most of the people that posted here are not out to report facts, but rather their stories that are blined by anger and frustratation at perhaps a company or a person or themselves that are driving them attack blindly and if the truth is a casualty

REID: Devin, you like the many other people involved with scams, are doing nothing to PROVE any reports erroneous or to the contrary. The company in which you work is without a doubt fraudulent and the program in which you are peddling is without a doubt a scam.

You Devin, are a joke, in that your rebuttal does not point out any facts as to why Laureen's posting or anyones posting for that matter are not genuine.

Laureen's posting is obviously her genuine experience and you have provided absolutely NADA PROOF that contridicts her experience and prove it otherwise.

DEVIN: To most of them, trashing the truth is o.k if it jusifies the means. I have no doubt that people here are hurting and upset, but it is hurting innocent parties in the process.

REID: The only innocent parties in this case are Laureen and the many other victims of your fraudulent buisness practices.

DEVIN: An example is Reid. He has never delt with our company and yet attacks us. How does this help any one ? It does not. I cannot believe that was the goal of Ed Magedson, when he developed this website.

REID: Of course it was the goal of Ed Magedson, when he developed this website! What are you, STUPID?

You are correct Devin in stating that I have never delt with your company, but I have been duped by another fraudulent company named the John Beck Mentoring Institute, and I've heard all the many fraudulent sales pitches before, such as "OPM", "Success Stories", etc, etc.

It's very safe to assume, that any and all companies that use these fairy tale words while attempting to peddle their programs are scams.

Devin,,, please do me a favor and answer these few very simple questions. Something every legitimate business would have been willing to do a long time ago.

1. Why the hell would any business be willing to set people up in their own "businesses", as opposed to setting up the so called "businesses" themselves and reaping the profits?

2. Why are you the student care manager of a fraudulent company, instead of participating in the very scam you're shoveling?

I have many more questions and will post them here at a later time. Question number two is really the only question necessary to PROVE that "mentoring" programs and ALL "business in a box" programs are bogus.

DEVIN: I want to address the following to Laureen:

Laureen,

I want to cover some of the points in the information that you posted.

Laureen-I contacted Devin, an owner of the company supposedly. He offered to give me a refund toward the marketing on the program. So I was refunded half of my initial investment.

*I have always been clear what my role in this company has been for the last three years, I have been the Customer Care (now Student care) Manager.

*We refunded you all of your money minus 20% for coaching services. You received Five extra coaching session to help you make up two session
you failed to show up for with your coach.
(If you sign a discoulsure doucument. I can post all the coaching notes with dates and times)

Laureen- go to Google and type in keywords like pmg, complaints, fraud, Utah, Texas, Florida, scams, and any of the above-mentioned names in different combinations and any other states of your choice. Please visit the sites listed below for additional complaints and information on this company:

ist-co.com/edgar1003003.html

foreclosures.com/pages/gurus_to_avoid.asp?gID=51

papersourceonline.com/discus/messages/1649/7326.html?1080346531

vermotion.com--online.com/

*O.K This is a fair request: Google search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=PMG&btnG=Go
ogle+Search (Nothing negitve)

ist-co.com/edgar1003003.html- Please read the full report. There is nothing negitive about PMG

foreclosures.com/pages/gurus_to_avoid.asp?gID=51

*When asked if they felt the stories on the website was true they pointed to the Disclaimer on the website :

"..The personal experiences listed on this page are the experiences of users unfamiliar to foreclosures.com. Foreclosures.com has no way to verify the validity of these claims and you the decision maker should take the hearsay nature of these statements into account when reading them..."

REID: Funny you should post this Devin, with the intent of smearing Laureen's campaign to bring out the truth regarding your fraudulent company. Let us not forget that Foreclosures.com's disclaimer pertains to yourself as well. LMAO.

DEVIN: *To use this link as a way to prove our company is some how treating people wrongly is intellectually dishonest of you. Foreclosures.com will not even valid the stories as truth.

REID: DISHONEST? LMAO at Devin! This is the perhaps the most severe scenario of the pot calling the kettle black.

How the f%ck could you Devin, even consider suggesting that Laureen's posting is intellectually dishonest, when you haven't even provided an ounce of proof, which PROVES Laureen's posting harmful, erroneous or to the contrary.

DEVIN: papersourceonline.com/discus/messages/1649/7326.html?1080346531

* I think this is a great resourse it has pros and cons of the program. I encourge all to read all the posts. Here is an example of a post that is on papersourceonline.com:

"...BBB,

It seems you always focus on the negative. Is your glass half empty or half full? Mine's half full and I'm working to fill it further.

Complainers like yourself are usually good at stating problems in such an accusing manner that it is hard to sort out the true problems from the complaints. Complainers tend to blame others when something goes wrong. They feel powerless to fix the things they complain about. They rely on others to fix things because this allows them to believe that they are free of faults. This seems to be the way you are comming off on the place..."

REID: Con artists like yourself are usually good at tellling stories while shoveling $h!t. Con artists like yourself cannot sort out the true problems, because their programs itself are the true problems.

Con artists tend to always turn the blame onto the consumers and ultimately attempt to use signed contracts as weapons to obligate and bind their victims into paying for sevices which have not been delivered according to the agreement.

They feel powerless to PROVE the worthiness of what they're selling and why it is they are employees of con firms and not actively particiating in the program themselves.

DEVIN: vermotion.com--online.com/-

*This redirects to http://www.prosperlearning.com/

Laureen- A genuine legal council or legal representative would not have posted my last name. Posting my last name shows intent to harm. By the way, according to PMG they do not know this so-called "Pattie's" last name. She only works on occasion. She only works on Tuesdays and Fridays now supposedly. She has no extension to leave a message. You can leave one with Jeff Merritt to reach her.

* Laureen,- Pattie is Prosper's Legal Counsel. To contact her all you needed to do is contact me and I could have helped you. I know you have my contact information, but in case you do not have it :

Devin Willis
Student Care Manager
Phone 800-748-5199 Ext 4056
Fax 801-374-2358
Home e-mail devin.willis@comcast.net
Work email devin@pmgmentors.com

It is our goal to help people and I am sorry to see that it did not work for Laureen.

REID: How many other people has your program failed to help?

DEVIN: I do have the opportunity to talk with our students every day and see the success stories. We really care about our sudents and care about their success.

REID: Really? Could you in some way furnish PROOF of this. the simple fact of life, is when someone is able to prove something, their usually very willing to do so.

PAID Infomercials, Magazine advertisements, PAID Better Business Bureau memberships, literally mean nothing and does not PROVE squat regarding the legitimacy of a particular business.

DEVIN: It hurts me personally to read the things that have been written here. Especially when I know many of them to be false, and that is why I am taking time to respond. I and everyone I work with take seriously the following commitments http://www.prosperlearning.com/aboutUs.htm

REID: Once again, exactly which parts of Laureen's posting can you PROVE are false? You have posted a very long and ridiculous rebuttal, which PROVES absolutely nothing regarding what it is your're compaining about.

DEVIN: I am a success story myself , I guess that is why this is why I feel bad that it did not work out for Laureen. I am using the same site and system and am VERY happy. My site is www.selfdefeseeducation.com

REID: SURE YOU ARE! That is why I suppose you feel compelled to "mentor" total strangers to use your wealth building strategies. LMAO at this putz.

If you're a success story Devin, why are you still working? WE ALL BELIEVE YOU DEVIN!

DEVIN: I want to end this post with a promise to all We will do what is fair and honest. I truly feel we did what was fair and honest in this case with Laureen. And I wish Her the best in life.

REID: Wanna be fair an honest? Simply quit your job, because the business of ripping people off is not fair and honest.

DEVIN: Please feel free to contact me at home or work I plan on being here hith this company for a very long time:

Devin Willis
Student Care Manager/"success story" LMAO
Phone 800-748-5199 Ext 4056
Fax 801-374-2358
Home e-mail devin.willis@comcast.net
Work email devin@pmgmentors.com

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. The only thing that could PROVE a businesses legitimacy is FULL DISCLOSURE and a company's willingness to come forward in the public eye with ABSOLUTE PROOF. Simple enough for any business to do, if it were truly legitimate.

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#16 Consumer Comment

I am thankful I found this site

AUTHOR: Jean - (Canada)

POSTED: Sunday, January 09, 2005

Thank you for the advices you guys have given me,I will always bear that in mind.I guess I was just one of those innocent people who are yearning to have a better financial status in order to fulfill my simple dreams in life and turned to the internet to search for these opportunities.Good for those people who are saying that they benefited thru these mentoring programs but for myself and for those people who had the same experience on how they were lured by those guys into enrolling into the course it was indeed a bad experience or a nightmare.It was not just one but many complaints about this mentoring program which is enough for me to believe that this program should be avoided by people looking for honest opportunities that will improve their lives.A big red flag!It is now a habit for me to check this site to find out which is scammish or not.
By the way,I've been researching about emerald passport and havent found anything against it.anybody????Have a good day everybody!

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#15 Consumer Suggestion

Carlton Sheets: Sheet for brains.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 08, 2005

Hey there Jean,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Contact your credit card issuer immediately and dispute the charges. John Beck's Free and Clear program is dfinitely a scam just like ALL the other "money generating" programs being shoveld via PAID infomercial.

Unfortunately, there's no such business or person, that is selling information with the earning potential so often fraudulently claimed, otherwise it would make no sense for anyone to market the information to total strangers.

LIST OF SCAMS:

1. John Beck's Free and Clear Program/Amazing Profits/Mentoring: Sickly looking, decrepid, con artist/attorney peddling a fraudulent "mentoring" program.

2. Carlton Sheets: Sheet for brains.

3. Dean Graziossi: f****t who claimed to have made her fortune by purchasing and selling used automobiles, then later claimed to have made her fortune by using the same strategies that John Beck used.

4. Envelope stuffing: We now have machines that could stuff envelopes at a much faster rate than 15-20 humans could.

5. ANY & ALL individuals and or businesses, that claim to be selling the service of "mentoring". Successful people have absolutely nothing to gain by sharing their wealth building strategies to total strangers.

6. ANY & ALL businesses, that charge a FEE of any sort, which exceeds cost of materials required to successfully profit. If a business truly were legitimate, it would not attempt to profit from the sales of enrollements, but rather establish a pool of "business owners."

7. Internet Treasure Chest/SMC/Don Lapre: If any of these programs were so great, these donkeys would be doing the program themselves as opposed to peddling the know how to total strangers.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. If you have other programs, that you'd like to list, please feel free to do so.

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#14 UPDATE Employee

Truth is a casualty - blined by anger and frustratation

AUTHOR: Devin - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 08, 2005

It seems most of the people that posted here
are not out to report facts, but rather their stories that are blined by anger and frustratation at perhaps a company or a person or themselves that are driving them attack blindly and if the truth is a casualty

To most of them, trashing the truth is o.k if it jusifies the means. I have no doubt that people here are hurting and upset, but it is hurting innocent parties in the process.

An example is Reid. He has never delt with our company and yet attacks us. How does this help any one ? It does not. I cannot believe that was the goal of Ed Magedson, when he developed this website.

I want to address the following to Laureen:

Laureen,

I want to cover some of the points in the information that you posted.

Laureen-I contacted Devin, an owner of the company supposedly. He offered to give me a refund toward the marketing on the program. So I was refunded half of my initial investment.

*I have always been clear what my role in this company has been for the last three years, I have been the Customer Care (now Student care) Manager.

*We refunded you all of your money minus 20% for coaching services. You received Five extra coaching session to help you make up two session
you failed to show up for with your coach.
(If you sign a discoulsure doucument. I can post all the coaching notes with dates and times)

Laureen- go to Google and type in keywords like pmg, complaints, fraud, Utah, Texas, Florida, scams, and any of the above-mentioned names in different combinations and any other states of your choice. Please visit the sites listed below for additional complaints and information on this company:

ist-co.com/edgar1003003.html

foreclosures.com/pages/gurus_to_avoid.asp?gID=51

papersourceonline.com/discus/messages/1649/7326.html?1080346531

vermotion.com--online.com/

*O.K This is a fair request: Google search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=PMG&btnG=Go
ogle+Search (Nothing negitve)

ist-co.com/edgar1003003.html- Please read the full report. There is nothing negitive about PMG

foreclosures.com/pages/gurus_to_avoid.asp?gID=51

*When asked if they felt the stories on the website was true they pointed to the Disclaimer on the website :

"..The personal experiences listed on this page are the experiences of users unfamiliar to foreclosures.com. Foreclosures.com has no way to verify the validity of these claims and you the decision maker should take the hearsay nature of these statements into account when reading them..."

*To use this link as a way to prove our company is some how treating people wrongly is intellectually dishonest of you. Foreclosures.com will not even valid the stories as truth.

papersourceonline.com/discus/messages/1649/7326.html?1080346531

* I think this is a great resourse it has pros and cons of the program. I encourge all to read all the posts. Here is an example of a post that is on papersourceonline.com:

"...BBB,

It seems you always focus on the negative. Is your glass half empty or half full? Mine's half full and I'm working to fill it further.

Complainers like yourself are usually good at stating problems in such an accusing manner that it is hard to sort out the true problems from the complaints. Complainers tend to blame others when something goes wrong. They feel powerless to fix the things they complain about. They rely on others to fix things because this allows them to believe that they are free of faults. This seems to be the way you are comming off on the place..."

vermotion.com--online.com/-

*This redirects to http://www.prosperlearning.com/

Laureen- A genuine legal council or legal representative would not have posted my last name. Posting my last name shows intent to harm. By the way, according to PMG they do not know this so-called "Pattie's" last name. She only works on occasion. She only works on Tuesdays and Fridays now supposedly. She has no extension to leave a message. You can leave one with Jeff Merritt to reach her.

* Laureen,- Pattie is Prosper's Legal Counsel. To contact her all you needed to do is contact me and I could have helped you. I know you have my contact information, but in case you do not have it :

Devin Willis
Student Care Manager
Phone 800-748-5199 Ext 4056
Fax 801-374-2358
Home e-mail devin.willis@comcast.net
Work email devin@pmgmentors.com

It is our goal to help people and I am sorry to see that it did not work for Laureen.

I do have the opportunity to talk with our students every day and see the success stories. We really care about our sudents and care about their success.

It hurts me personally to read the things that have been written here. Especially when I know many of them to be false, and that is why I am taking time to respond. I and everyone I work with take seriously the following commitments http://www.prosperlearning.com/aboutUs.htm

I am a success story myself , I guess that is why this is why I feel bad that it did not work out for Laureen. I am using the same site and system and am VERY happy. My site is www.selfdefeseeducation.com

I want to end this post with a promise to all We will do what is fair and honest. I truly feel we did what was fair and honest in this case with Laureen. And I wish Her the best in life.

Please feel free to contact me at home or work I plan on being here hith this company for a very long time:

Devin Willis
Student Care Manager
Phone 800-748-5199 Ext 4056
Fax 801-374-2358
Home e-mail devin.willis@comcast.net
Work email devin@pmgmentors.com

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#13 Consumer Suggestion

So, Loreen you are not the only one!

AUTHOR: Gary - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 08, 2005

Pattie,

I thought Loreen was the only one, well it looks like you have a problem. If those you represent are not taking care of things at base level you will see more of these postings on line. I guarentee that when you take their money and push people too far, any legal threats have no meaning to them. You also run the risk of waking up people that may be unaware of similar problems that they may have that parellel Loreen's. Please tell me, what has all the elements of a scam but is not a scam?

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To Jean. Call your credit card company just as I did and dispute the transaction immediately.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 08, 2005

Hey there Jean,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Call your credit card company just as I did and dispute the transaction immediately. Any business claiming to be interested in "mentoring" you to success is definitely a scam.

NO ONE and I do mean NO ONE, would ever agree to "mentor" complete strangers to success, especially when the cost of the program is far less than the program's earning potential, which in the case of fraudulent "mentoring" just happens to be directly proportional to ones "available credit".

Disregard any and all programs and biz ops featured in magazines, Infomercials, newspaper classifieds, etc, etc, that require a fee of ANY sort. Their ALL scams!

Why should anyone pay any business to be involved with said company? Would you pay Sears to be included on their company payroll?

ANY and ALL businesses which profit from the sales of fees, programs, "information" are scams in that they are profiting from the very people who would turn the company a profit, had the business only been legitimate and lucrative.

Mentoring like envelope stuffing, sounds good in theory, thus allows fraudulent businesses to use fairy tale scripts, fraudulent sales pitches and whatever else means necessary to trap unsuspecting victims into contracts, that are heavily filled with clauses.

Think of "mentoring" program as fraudulent lure and trap schemes, because that is exactly what they are. Scams in which a fraudulent third party marketing company sells unsuspecting victims bags of gold, while delivering bags of $h!t.

Until next time, take care Jean cause I definitely do care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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#11 Consumer Comment

Need advice, please respond!

AUTHOR: Jean - (Canada)

POSTED: Friday, January 07, 2005

For those of you who signed up for pgm mentoring who cancelled enrollment/involvement afterwards,did you have to send a letter or an email is enough?

I am sure they will not be able to charge my credit card bec.I called them right away(cr.card company)and told me that they will cancel my card so that prosper will not be able to get any money from my card.

I am just curious on what is going to happen in the next few days?

they havent answered my email yet and do i have to cancel the class i signed in for monday too?

sorry,i am a newbie with regards to scams so an answer will be much appreciated.thank you.

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Mike Evans From The Fruadulent John Beck Team Is A Genetically Imbreded Cockroach.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 07, 2005

Hey there Laureen,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

PMG, along with EVERY business claiming to be offering "mentoring" are scams. Businesses, "gurus", Real Estate experts, etc, etc, would have nothing to gain by sharing their strategies to complete strangers.

There is no such thing as businesses for hire, which "mentors" total strangers to wealth. It flat out makes no sense for any business to teach strangers to acquire wealth.

EXAMPLE: Mike Evans (boy who more than likely engages in sexual intercourse with members of his own family) from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute claimed, that my coach would "mentor" me to $10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month.

This f%ck!ng retard charged me $6,400.00, which just so happened to be the amount of "available credit" on my credit card. I clearly told this genetic imbreed on numerous ocassions, NOT to waste my time.

But this fool really wanted my money and would stop at nothing to get it. He sent me one of his company's fraudulent contract, which was a total joke. A kindergardener could have drafted a better contract.

I went through about 4-5 of 12 scheduled sessions with my so called coach, while receiving absolutely no pertinent information as agreed upon regarding tax leins, how to obtain them, and how to profit in the process.

The information which I did receive could be sumed up in less than one paragraph. Intructions on how to get to about 2-3 websites and a suggestion to seek any and all tax related information at H&R BLOCK.

Cockroach Mike Evans should consider himself a very lucky person, that I'm a very patient person with a relatively good sense of humor.

Once I caught on to the JOKE (scam), all I asked for was a refund. Maggot Mike Evans threatened to sue me, even though it was the fraudulent company in which he works, that breached the agreement.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute insisted on dragging on my credit card dispute, even though they could not provide any pertinent items, that could prove my dispute to the contrary.

This experience has truly ruined my life. My mother have recently passed away, and being that I had $6,400.00 unecessarily tied up, could not provide for her, and carry out plans which I have set fourth for her final days.

What I can do however, and will continue to do is warn the naive public, that "mentoring" programs regarding wealth building does not exist and probably never will.

Once again, successful people would have nothing to gain by "mentoring" total strangers to use their successful wealth building strategies. These con artists make their money by peddling fraudulent "programs" via PAID magazine advertisements, PAID Infomercials, etc, etc.

Until next time, take care Laureen along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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Mike Evans From The Fruadulent John Beck Team Is A Genetically Imbreded Cockroach.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 07, 2005

Hey there Laureen,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

PMG, along with EVERY business claiming to be offering "mentoring" are scams. Businesses, "gurus", Real Estate experts, etc, etc, would have nothing to gain by sharing their strategies to complete strangers.

There is no such thing as businesses for hire, which "mentors" total strangers to wealth. It flat out makes no sense for any business to teach strangers to acquire wealth.

EXAMPLE: Mike Evans (boy who more than likely engages in sexual intercourse with members of his own family) from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute claimed, that my coach would "mentor" me to $10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month.

This f%ck!ng retard charged me $6,400.00, which just so happened to be the amount of "available credit" on my credit card. I clearly told this genetic imbreed on numerous ocassions, NOT to waste my time.

But this fool really wanted my money and would stop at nothing to get it. He sent me one of his company's fraudulent contract, which was a total joke. A kindergardener could have drafted a better contract.

I went through about 4-5 of 12 scheduled sessions with my so called coach, while receiving absolutely no pertinent information as agreed upon regarding tax leins, how to obtain them, and how to profit in the process.

The information which I did receive could be sumed up in less than one paragraph. Intructions on how to get to about 2-3 websites and a suggestion to seek any and all tax related information at H&R BLOCK.

Cockroach Mike Evans should consider himself a very lucky person, that I'm a very patient person with a relatively good sense of humor.

Once I caught on to the JOKE (scam), all I asked for was a refund. Maggot Mike Evans threatened to sue me, even though it was the fraudulent company in which he works, that breached the agreement.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute insisted on dragging on my credit card dispute, even though they could not provide any pertinent items, that could prove my dispute to the contrary.

This experience has truly ruined my life. My mother have recently passed away, and being that I had $6,400.00 unecessarily tied up, could not provide for her, and carry out plans which I have set fourth for her final days.

What I can do however, and will continue to do is warn the naive public, that "mentoring" programs regarding wealth building does not exist and probably never will.

Once again, successful people would have nothing to gain by "mentoring" total strangers to use their successful wealth building strategies. These con artists make their money by peddling fraudulent "programs" via PAID magazine advertisements, PAID Infomercials, etc, etc.

Until next time, take care Laureen along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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Mike Evans From The Fruadulent John Beck Team Is A Genetically Imbreded Cockroach.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 07, 2005

Hey there Laureen,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

PMG, along with EVERY business claiming to be offering "mentoring" are scams. Businesses, "gurus", Real Estate experts, etc, etc, would have nothing to gain by sharing their strategies to complete strangers.

There is no such thing as businesses for hire, which "mentors" total strangers to wealth. It flat out makes no sense for any business to teach strangers to acquire wealth.

EXAMPLE: Mike Evans (boy who more than likely engages in sexual intercourse with members of his own family) from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute claimed, that my coach would "mentor" me to $10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month.

This f%ck!ng retard charged me $6,400.00, which just so happened to be the amount of "available credit" on my credit card. I clearly told this genetic imbreed on numerous ocassions, NOT to waste my time.

But this fool really wanted my money and would stop at nothing to get it. He sent me one of his company's fraudulent contract, which was a total joke. A kindergardener could have drafted a better contract.

I went through about 4-5 of 12 scheduled sessions with my so called coach, while receiving absolutely no pertinent information as agreed upon regarding tax leins, how to obtain them, and how to profit in the process.

The information which I did receive could be sumed up in less than one paragraph. Intructions on how to get to about 2-3 websites and a suggestion to seek any and all tax related information at H&R BLOCK.

Cockroach Mike Evans should consider himself a very lucky person, that I'm a very patient person with a relatively good sense of humor.

Once I caught on to the JOKE (scam), all I asked for was a refund. Maggot Mike Evans threatened to sue me, even though it was the fraudulent company in which he works, that breached the agreement.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute insisted on dragging on my credit card dispute, even though they could not provide any pertinent items, that could prove my dispute to the contrary.

This experience has truly ruined my life. My mother have recently passed away, and being that I had $6,400.00 unecessarily tied up, could not provide for her, and carry out plans which I have set fourth for her final days.

What I can do however, and will continue to do is warn the naive public, that "mentoring" programs regarding wealth building does not exist and probably never will.

Once again, successful people would have nothing to gain by "mentoring" total strangers to use their successful wealth building strategies. These con artists make their money by peddling fraudulent "programs" via PAID magazine advertisements, PAID Infomercials, etc, etc.

Until next time, take care Laureen along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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Mike Evans From The Fruadulent John Beck Team Is A Genetically Imbreded Cockroach.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 07, 2005

Hey there Laureen,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

PMG, along with EVERY business claiming to be offering "mentoring" are scams. Businesses, "gurus", Real Estate experts, etc, etc, would have nothing to gain by sharing their strategies to complete strangers.

There is no such thing as businesses for hire, which "mentors" total strangers to wealth. It flat out makes no sense for any business to teach strangers to acquire wealth.

EXAMPLE: Mike Evans (boy who more than likely engages in sexual intercourse with members of his own family) from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute claimed, that my coach would "mentor" me to $10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month.

This f%ck!ng retard charged me $6,400.00, which just so happened to be the amount of "available credit" on my credit card. I clearly told this genetic imbreed on numerous ocassions, NOT to waste my time.

But this fool really wanted my money and would stop at nothing to get it. He sent me one of his company's fraudulent contract, which was a total joke. A kindergardener could have drafted a better contract.

I went through about 4-5 of 12 scheduled sessions with my so called coach, while receiving absolutely no pertinent information as agreed upon regarding tax leins, how to obtain them, and how to profit in the process.

The information which I did receive could be sumed up in less than one paragraph. Intructions on how to get to about 2-3 websites and a suggestion to seek any and all tax related information at H&R BLOCK.

Cockroach Mike Evans should consider himself a very lucky person, that I'm a very patient person with a relatively good sense of humor.

Once I caught on to the JOKE (scam), all I asked for was a refund. Maggot Mike Evans threatened to sue me, even though it was the fraudulent company in which he works, that breached the agreement.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute insisted on dragging on my credit card dispute, even though they could not provide any pertinent items, that could prove my dispute to the contrary.

This experience has truly ruined my life. My mother have recently passed away, and being that I had $6,400.00 unecessarily tied up, could not provide for her, and carry out plans which I have set fourth for her final days.

What I can do however, and will continue to do is warn the naive public, that "mentoring" programs regarding wealth building does not exist and probably never will.

Once again, successful people would have nothing to gain by "mentoring" total strangers to use their successful wealth building strategies. These con artists make their money by peddling fraudulent "programs" via PAID magazine advertisements, PAID Infomercials, etc, etc.

Until next time, take care Laureen along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

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To Fudge Packing Peppermint Pattie.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 07, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that my open discussion with Pattie finds each and everyone of you in good spirits and health.

PATTIE: Response to Laureen's posting.

As general counsel for the company in issue, I am surprised to see this posting. A review of Ms. Priputen case with the company shows that she received assistance 32 times.

REID: I don't care if Ms. Priputen received assistance 1000 times! PMG like ALL the other so called "mentoring" scams never live up to any of their fraudulent claims.

Why are you surprised Pattie? PMG is a scam! If PMG or any of the other "mentoring" programs were real, you imbreeds would be participating in them yourselves, as opposed to selling the programs.

You would definitely not be considered an "employee" as you are now, but instead a knowlegable "business owner".

PATTIE: Notwithstanding all of the services provided, Ms. Priputen received a refund of her purchase price less the standard 20% restocking fee. As with any large company, there are times when there will be dissatisfied customers. We take prompt action to resolve customer issues, as was done in this case. There are a number of libelous statements made in this posting and we will be reviewing the same for appropriate legal action.

REID: What the f%ck is the "restocking" fee for anyway? Just pure profits for PMG.

I have a better idea... upon receiving returns from dissatisfied customers, instead of restocking the trash, throw the f%ck!ng thing in the rubbish can.

What the f%ck is "general counsel?" Do you mean legal counsel? Are you attempting to intimidate people, by giving them a false impression that you are an attorney?

The truth is an absolute defense against any and all accusations regarding slander and or libel. If you were an attorney, you would know this.

Before accusing someone of libel, please state for the record Peppermint Pattie, exactly which part of Laureen's true experience you felt were libelous.

Laureen's posting sounds like nothing more than someones story to me. Please point out specific parts of Laureen's experience, which you consider erroneous and which you also feel may have been posted to intentionally damage PMG's reputation.

You are absolutely correct when stating "As with any large company, there are times when there will be dissatisfied customers. We take prompt action to resolve customer issues, as was done in this case".

If this statement were true, this situation would have been resolved a long time ago. You Peppermint Patty, along with your fraudulent PMG, would have definitily been willing and able to resolve this matter in the public eye, instead of hiding behind hired "hit men" attorneys in a feeble attempt to intimidate the public.

PMG is without a doubt a scam. If you want to be ridiculous and assist in proving me right behind "closed doors", I challenge you to contact me. I'll even allow you to pick the time and place, where we may go public and finally bring this "mentoring" scam to a rest.

I leave it up to you shill Peppermint Pattie, to explain to all the con artists why they must once and for all come forward and PROVE, that they have truly not stolen millions from unsuspecting victims. BRING IT THE F%CK ON!

I'm sure the entire state of Utah would be proud of you Pattie, for attempting to tackle a lawsuit, which you have absolutely ZERO chance of winning.

It's about time someone from the so called "mentoring" scam is willing to go public. After all, what does PMG have to lose, but the thousands of dollars, which they have scammed many out of?

People are getting sick and tired of false threats made by the many fraudulent "mentoring" programs.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. I have started a new "mentoring" program where for a fee (amount of "available credit" on your credit card) I will "mentor" you to make Peppermint Patties.

Please bare in mind, that I am selling bags of gold using fraudulent sales pitches and bogus claims, but only intend on actually delivering bags of $h!t.

Also bare in mind, that I have constructed my contract with much fine print and clauses, which would literally guarantee, that I end up with your hard earned dollars, regardless of whether or not I live up to my end of the deal.

Last but not least, bare in mind, that I have hired "hit men" attornies waiting in the wing, just in case someone attempts to report my shaddy and fraudulent business practice, which I am unable to explain to the contrary in a public forum.

Contact me and have your credit card handy. LMAO at Peppermint Pattie.

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Response to Laureen's subsequent posting

AUTHOR: Pattie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, January 07, 2005

"Unknowingly, PMG posted a username and password on this page. I believe it was someone at PMG's website login information. The text was login: skillmaster8421 password: gotcha42. I would like to clarify that and say GOTCHA. " This was not a PMG site. It is associated with IST, an independent company. Issues there should be addressed to them.

This poster seems to confuse PMG with IST. Please read all edgar postings with respect to the relationship between those two parties for a correct understanding.

"majority of their websites were adult oriented. " This is a false statement.

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#4 Consumer Comment

I too enrolled in the real estate mentoring proram

AUTHOR: Jean - (Canada)

POSTED: Friday, January 07, 2005

I actually talked to a mentor this evening.they have been leaving messages in my mailbox and finally enrolled myself in the course after a long talk to two persons,gave my SIN and credit card number.Then I decided to research more about the compant and found this site.Thank God!I quickly sent an email of cancellation to prosper and before that talked to my credit card company and told them what happened.I just hope I wont have any problems after doing this as they told me they recorded our conversation when i was agreeing to the 'contract'.

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*New Name* PROSPER INC., Prosper Learning, prosperlearning.com, Old Names: pmgmentors.com, pmgicoaching.vermotion.net, pmgtech.com, multiple streams of income, PMI coaching, usight home inc., EPenzio, Russ Dalbey,Hacket Media,John Beck, Robert Allen, PMI

AUTHOR: Laureen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 06, 2005

Since my posting, PMG has changed their old technical website everyday. They deleted the bug list page but there are several copies floating around. Then they moved their home page to the news page and replaced the home page with the customer care page. Unknowingly, PMG posted a username and password on this page. I believe it was someone at PMG's website login information. The text was login: skillmaster8421 password: gotcha42. I would like to clarify that and say GOTCHA. Guess what? That page has been totally deleted from their website! Once again, there are copies of that website page floating around. I also have eyewitnesses (thanks guys!) that saw these pages and have copies of these pages changing everyday.

You would also be interested to know that PMG has once again changed their name. It is now Prosper, Inc. Their new website is http://www.prosperlearning.com. If PMG has nothing to hide, why have they changed their name 3 times in the past year? Why did they change their old tech website, located at http://pmgtech.com/ everyday since I posted my letter when they were phasing out of that website and try to delete incriminating evidence?

I would like to thank PMG for posting my last name. Now people can contact me easier. Even though I posted enough information in my complaint to find my website online or my webmasters site and thus my contact information, this makes it easier for people to contact me. If PMG thought that posting my last name would scare me off since my identity was stolen last year, they are WRONG! In fact, I would like to say that my identity is being heavily watched right now. Bad move! In fact, I think that they are now liable for trying to bring harm to me by posting my last name. I have informed my attorney of these new developments.

In addition, I would suggest that PMG carefully reread my post and pay attention to the wording that was used. I never accused them of anything. All I listed was the facts. I have documented proof to back up everything I experienced through that company. In fact, they should read our contract. There is NO restocking fee. In fact, their e-mail to me said cancellation fee. Well, guess what? There is NO mention of a cancellation fee in my contract either. In fact, they told me there was no cancellation. They promised to work with me until I made all of my money back and doubled it. Also, I phoned PMG more than 32 times! With all of the problems I was having, they kept passing me to everyone. Here is a short list of names used in e-mails to me.

Allison Murray, Charlotte Petersen, Kurt Brady,
Lorin Hardy, Kevin Mink, Nathan Stoddard,
Dallan, Jayde Koyle, Paul Stoddard,
Dave Mink, Nate Clark, Devin Willis,
Julie, Traci Bird,

A genuine legal council or legal representative would not have posted my last name. Posting my last name shows intent to harm. By the way, according to PMG they do not know this so-called "Pattie's" last name. She only works on occasion. She only works on Tuesdays and Fridays now supposedly. She has no extension to leave a message. You can leave one with Jeff Merritt to reach her. By reading the other 100's of posts on this site, I noticed that last names and first names were slightly different, like Devin Willis and Devin Williams.

I challenge anyone visiting this report to try to find out who owns PMG. It is very hard to find but I finally did. You will find several names and different addresses all over the place. They have changed their name so many times, that it is hard to keep track of. The reason PMG answers their phone Corporate Headquarters may be their way of trying to keep up with all of their many business names. Search this site from the home page and/or on the internet for John Beck, Robert Allen, PMG, EPMG, Energy Professional Marketing Group, Professional Marketing Group, Private Mentoring Group, PMG Mentors, Fortius, Secure Gate, Secure Offer, Vermotion, Prosper, Inc., Prosper Learning, prosperlearning.com,pmgmentors.com, pmgicoaching.vermotion.net, pmgtech.com, multiple streams of income, PMI coaching, usight home inc., EPenzio, Russ Dalbey, Hacket Media, and PMI! There are many more names. The above-mentioned names have the most reports filed against them.

For a supposedly big business, I wonder if they are competent at all. Go to http://mailman.plug.org/pipermail/pluglist/2003-December.txt and read. When I first signed up, they only had 2000 websites they were hosting. The majority of their websites were adult oriented. Most of those sites that were up originally when I started my website, are now down since they upgraded their server and people received partial refunds. Also, go to Google and type in keywords like pmg, complaints, fraud, Utah, Texas, Florida, scams, and any of the above-mentioned names in different combinations and any other states of your choice. Please visit the sites listed below for additional complaints and information on this company:

ist-co.com/edgar1003003.html
foreclosures.com/pages/gurus_to_avoid.asp?gID=51
papersourceonline.com/discus/messages/1649/7326.html?1080346531
vermotion.com--online.com/

As far as the services provided, the only services I received from PMG was a BIG HEADACHE and a HUGE HOLE IN MY POCKET! The coaching sessions were done from their online tutorials. If you did your homework and read them, you did not need a coach. I have a fully printed copy of their online tutorial to all the free links available on the internet. The accounting and tracking software was taken away from me. The marketing never happened. The website was down for months. I spent a lot of time spinning my wheels with a worthless website until I had it redone and moved to another server. So what services did PMG give me besides fleecing me? As far as giving me a full refund, on the contrary I have yet to receive the balance of my refund.

In fact, if you go to pmgtech.com, the site they were "phasing out of", you will notice that they had no choice but to abandon their old site since it was not supported by their new server. The same is true of their vermotion.net website.

Changing a name will not hide what they are doing! I will make sure I get all of my money back. My goal is to inform the public about this group of what I believe to be incompetent webhosts looking to phish for innocent people looking to make money by making a smart business investment. Let the people do their own research on the internet and decide for themselves. If I can spare anyone else from going through what I went through, then this post was worth it.

I was blatantly lied to by PMG, they did not provide the services I was promised. My web site could not be found and was down or not working properly from the day it was put up until the day I cancelled with PMG. Ultimately, I lost both time and money. I could have chalked a lot of it up to an education if it were not for all of the crap this company put me through.

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COMMENT ON PMG, NADN & ORYAN MANAGEMENT

AUTHOR: Gary - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 06, 2005

Pattie,

I think that you will save your legal department at PMG a whole lot of time by considering that you read the requisites and that what is posted along with the facts are opinionated criticism and not libelous. If , as you say, this is the "rare" dissatisfied customer, that you have properly refunded to, then this will be the "rare" posting on the net.

I do find it interesting that you jumped on this so quickly. It is probably a good move. I ran into this posting researching an old problem with my wife's internet business-gone bad. If you look at reports about NADN & Oryan Management elsewhere on this site you will see how things can s****.> If you see a drastic contrast to the way your organization handles itself vs. my example, you have nothing to worry about do you? Everyone will write off Laureen's report as blowing off (a lot of)steam. It is simple; Good, sound, business
practices will tend to keep you off these pages.

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Response to Laureen's posting

AUTHOR: Pattie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 04, 2005

As general counsel for the company in issue, I am surprised to see this posting. A review of Ms. Priputen case with the company shows that she received assistance 32 times. Notwithstanding all of the services provided, Ms. Priputen received a refund of her purchase price less the standard 20% restocking fee. As with any large company, there are times when there will be dissatisfied customers. We take prompt action to resolve customer issues, as was done in this case. There are a number of libelous statements made in this posting and we will be reviewing the same for appropriate legal action.

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