Complaint Review: Progressive Medical Consultants - Tampa Florida
- Progressive Medical Consultants 4707 West Gandy Blvd Suite 11 Tampa, Florida U.S.A.
- Phone: 800-36504pmc
- Web:
- Category: Pharmacies
Progressive Medical Consultants Dishonest Thieves, I ordered a prescription of Hydrocodone and they sent me over the counter pills instead Tampa Florida
*Consumer Comment: I'm not sure if this is relevant to YOUR story, but I've had some scary experiences.
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: costumer service rep
*Consumer Suggestion: The medication may have very well been stolen by the shipping company!!!
*Consumer Comment: RESPONSE TO STEVE - BRADENTON, FL, 6/30/06 6:15:04 AM
*Author of original report: Progressive Medical Consultants
*Author of original report: Sally go back to DrugBuyer's and kiss some more a*s
*Consumer Suggestion: Some facts for Larry...re; Wrong? ...I think not!
*Consumer Comment: Steve -
*Consumer Suggestion: For Olivia......I know how to read...AND...
*Consumer Comment: MY RESPONSE CONCERNING PMC
*Consumer Comment: In Their Defense
*Consumer Suggestion: Steve
*Consumer Comment: More bad news for Marietta....I checked out this company..
*Consumer Suggestion: Marietta..some more info for you...and a question..
*Consumer Suggestion: Many have used PMC
*Consumer Comment: To whoever said Hydrocodone is a schedule 2 med
*REBUTTAL Individual responds: In my Defense etc.
*Consumer Comment: It's a date LOL
*Consumer Comment: Lorraine..Thanks for the info!..I felt there might be a problem with it..
*Consumer Suggestion: *sigh* I can't type some days
*Consumer Suggestion: LORRAINE
*Consumer Suggestion: Lorraine is absolutely right!
*Consumer Suggestion: Tina .. If a doctor keeps good records, the DEA won't bother him at all
*Consumer Comment: Doctors prescribing pain meds
*Consumer Comment: Did you have a legal prescription?
*Consumer Comment: OOPS! Typo..sorry
*Consumer Suggestion: Dispute the charge!
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I was ripped off for a medication that I ordered. I did everything I was required to do, and they did nothing but rip me off. I am out of the money it cost to pay for the Medication and the price it costs to ship the Medication.
I was told that I was dishonest and that Fedex the shipping company must have stolen from me.
They gave me no compensation whatsoever and I am out of my money and medication. They told me they could do nothing for me and to go elsewhere with my problem.
I was lied to by the owner of the site and Customer Service was so rude. The man I spoke to was joking with his co-workers about their paychecks all the while I was trying to get answer's to my dilema.
Marietta
butler, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.
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#27 Consumer Comment
I'm not sure if this is relevant to YOUR story, but I've had some scary experiences.
AUTHOR: Brittany - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, July 07, 2008
I have Fibromyaglia, pretty d**n severe for my age, and last October my previous doctor gave me a prescription for 5mg Lortab (this is what she told me) and faxed it to my local pharmacy. Unfortunately, my tolerance to these are high due to no one knowing what was wrong with me, so they "fixed" it with unnecessary surgery and then just throwing pain meds at me. So I took 3 Lortabs when I got to a friends, because I planned on staying there for quite some time.
While I was under the impression that I'd just taken 15mg of it, I thought that I would just get a little loopy and as long as I didn't chainsmoke, I'd be feeling better as opposed to nauseous and in immense pain. Nope. That DID NOT happen.
I started to get pale, shake violently, overheat, and stumble. I had to drive myself home because said friends decided to drink. Now, I drive a manual and lived roughly twenty minutes from their house, but it was the scariest drive ever. I had to roll all of the windows down, turn on the a/c, remove my jacket, and drive in my bra. Remember, this is the middle of October in Montana. I got home and d**n near collasped on the floor in front of my mother, finding out that my temperature was at 84.3 degrees.
Turns out, my doctor told the pharmacy 7.5mg, as opposed to my being told it was the lowest dosage. This "doctor" had also given me medication that was NOT approved for my condition, even though I wasn't diagnosed at that time, I still told her what I thought it was but she looked at me as though I was trying to teach her her own profession. I now experience tremors due to the medication. It took my mom screaming at her to finally make her give us the referral to a rheumatologist, only to find out that she lied to us and we had to fight her again, only this time it was because we were told that she'd call and make the appointment, when she wrote on my chart that she gave us the number and told us to call, even though we can't f**king do that!
I'm 20 years old and I shouldn't be having to deal with all of this, but because of my age, it's the exact reason why I'm subjected to it. I MUST be trying to scam everyone for drugs, right? Couldn't possibly be because I'm in pain and it's saddening to not be able to act like any other normal young adult. I'm sure that most doctors I've seen have labeled me as an addict. I'll be requesting every single medical professional I've seen to send my records so I can review them just for this purpose. And if I'm right, I'll be a lot more than some little girl in pain. Just because I can't win at this disease does not mean I'll let them eviscerate me.

#26 UPDATE EX-employee responds
costumer service rep
AUTHOR: Hey - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, July 02, 2008
i now that this was originally posted a while ago but i was looking up the companies name just because i heard they finally got shut down, just seeing if it was true... when i saw this i had to say something... what this lady needs to understand is what she was dealing with... and as a rep we told customers constantly how shady the company was... every day that i went into work they were looking for new pharmacies talking about the phone lines being tapped and keeping up on the pole of of online sites being shut down... the INFO that was requested was any document signed by a doctor within the past two years prescribing the meds( which all we offered was pain med anxiety med and sleeping pills), and a copy of the actual script whether from a pharmacy or a pill bottle...
now let me ask where can you walk into a doc's office throw him some papers and say i had this before i want it again... we dealt with papers being forged(fake scripts) sometimes we would look up the originating doc office but mostly we were told to let it slide b/c we needed the consults to make money...most the people that filled through us were pill popping feens...they found and easy score... we often would send pills out, the patient would receive and lie about it even though we had copies of the signature. also in some states b/c of the narcotics.. the packages were being confiscated and it was possible that the patient might get a refund but not likely.
there was no REAL doc.. the person that everyone talked to for the consult was a nurse that worked at home reviewed the papers and decided if she thought the people were ok to deliver to. the doctors were paid for a copy of their signiture that got attached to the script that went to the pharmacy which we also paid and then was filled and sent out.... so there it is.... the place was a crap hole with a money grubbing boss who is now dealing with karma.

#25 Consumer Suggestion
The medication may have very well been stolen by the shipping company!!!
AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, July 20, 2007
Hello,
I can't believe I came across this. I also live in Tampa Florida, and I happen to know a Fedex driver (in tampa) who was recently arrested for stealing/trafficking prescription drugs that he was supposed to deliver. And no, this isn't someone I associate with, he was just someone I knew years ago through school. But anyway, it is completely possible that the drugs were stolen.

#24 Consumer Comment
RESPONSE TO STEVE - BRADENTON, FL, 6/30/06 6:15:04 AM
AUTHOR: Dian - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, January 25, 2007
Reference: Steve - Bradenton, Florida Rebuttal Progressive Medical Consultants in Florida
Date of rebuttal: 6/30/06 6:15:04 am
Steve, you indicated you online pharmacies all the time. I have extreme lower back pain and sciatica nerve pain from 3 surgeries on the same disk within 2 years.
You said you use online pharmacies and did not have to send medical records (although I have them) and had no problem with online consultation and prescription issues.
CAN YOU HELP ME BY EMAILING ME THE COMPANIES YOU USE ONLINE?
OR ANYONE ELSE THAT KNOWS A GOOD REPUTATION THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU JUMP THROUGH HOOPS TO GET YOUR MEDICATION. I TAKE NORCO 325/10.
We just can't afford the medical insurance for doctors visits. Only major medical. NOW that would be a good issue for this web site. People can't afford medical insurance. Ours started going up about 30% a year for the last 3 years.
Warmly,
Dian R. - Anaheim CA
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#23 Author of original report
Progressive Medical Consultants
AUTHOR: Marietta - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, July 13, 2006
I would like to take back everything I said about this company, After some long hard thinking on the subject I realized that it wasn't PMC that ripped me off it was Fedex. So please reconsider what I said and give this company a chance. Call me what you will, I am a hothead at time's and I was hasty in my decision to make this report. I would like to drop it like it never happened.
Sincerely,

#22 Author of original report
Sally go back to DrugBuyer's and kiss some more a*s
AUTHOR: Marietta - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, June 30, 2006
Sally,
Listen how can you say I am a liar, when you don't even know me?! I didn't change my story several time's, I posted in my defense several times! Why would I go through so much trouble to get attention?! Your INSANE! I don't need that kind of negative attention, I am married with 3 children and a productive life. I don't need what you refer to as attention. I told my story and I am going to stick to it no matter what any Moron (including yourself)say's about it. PMC is a fly by night OCS that will be gone in few months with a bank account full of unexpecting patron's money. I wouldn't wish what happened to me on anybody except for you. Remember the golden rule Sally! Open a book and put the pill's down, you may see thing's from more than one perspective yours, and that's a low way to live, low as in I.Q.

#21 Consumer Suggestion
Some facts for Larry...re; Wrong? ...I think not!
AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, June 30, 2006
Larry,
What EXACTLY was I wrong about? Please be specific.
Furthermore, this company IS NOT a pharmacy. They are a middleman between the customer and the actual pharmacy. They do not stock any drugs, nor do they have a license to dispense drugs.
As far as the COD thing. That is ridiculous. COD gives the customer NO RECOURSE and that is why they do it! Read the website! They have a half page on incomplete or wrong orders, and no recourse after COD is signed for! HOW does this protect the customer?
I use online pharmacies all the time and use my credit card. I get my drugs for less than half of what I can get them for walking into a local pharmacy. And yes, some of them come from other countries.
And..I NEVER once had to send in any medical records. Online consultation AND prescription issue.
This company had every warning flag of being a scam! that is to any person with common sense.
Unbelievable.

#20 Consumer Comment
Steve -
AUTHOR: Larry - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, June 29, 2006
Steve - well, you're just plain wrong about how this Online Pharmacy thing works. But I respect your opinion about it.
But look, there is a whole "culture" and history when it comes to U.S.-based Online Pharmacies, especially the types that Marietta used in this case and many like it.
Sure, in any other realm of the business world, offering COD-only as a form of payment is certainly looked upon as being pretty shady. But the reverse is true in the Online Pharmacy biz. COD actually can serve to protect the "patient" or consumer against those OP's who just don't have their act together or whatever.
But look, this is how the whole thing works, for the types of places that Marietta is speaking of. A person who has a pre-existing documented and diagnosed condition, who for whatever reason does not or can not get access to the medicinal treatment they feel that they need, can use what we call ROP's (Records Online Pharmacies). ROP's consist basically of a company who serves as the referral service, as they take the customer's information and medical records, and they connect that person with a real live physician (in most cases and in every case with the legitimate operations). This physician reviews the records, makes sure that the customer has had a physical in the past 12 months prior to that consultation, ensures that the customer has a verifiable chronic pain condition or anxiety condition or whatever, and then if the customer/patient meets all of the above criteria, then the physician will write a real prescription for that person. The physician will then forward this prescription to a U.S.-based and located pharmacy, who then fills the prescription just like any other pharmacy that a person would walk into, and they send the medication overnight or whatever, using Fedex or UPS.
Now, I'm not saying anything about the legality about this whole process, but there is one fact that I would draw your attention to and that is that most of these ROP places, the ones that do all of the things itemized above, have stayed open and above the law. Some are new, but there are many who have been open and operating for years. I only mention this because in those years, the DEA and local authorities have brought down and busted dozens upon dozens of other "Online Pharmacies," but these pharmacies are ones that do NOT require medical records. They do NOT have a physician physically speak and consult the customer/patient. They DO use a simple web form that the person fills out and they are sent the medication they request overnight. These are the illegal operations I would surmise, only because the DEA has left the Records Pharmacies alone, for the most part.
Now - you also mentioned Online Pharmacies that ship from outside the U.S. and that customs confiscates incoming packages all the time from these transactions. Well - yeah you're right - there are tons of International OPs, and they too are NOT legal in any way shape or form, unless a person has a DEA Importation License, which I would surmise most people making these orders overseas do NOT have. And it is with these overseas places that yes - one should worry about the "medication" they are receiving because there is NO guarantee that it is what was requested/desired/ordered by the consumer.
And might I make another point. When someone does a google search for a certain medication, most of the time for meds like Hydrocodone and/or Oxycontin, just because thousands upon thousands of websites pop up claiming to sell and offer those medications, certainly does not mean they actually deliver those medications. Most are scams and should be avoided like the plague. I mention this only because you had said that hydrocodone is certainly available overseas because you have seen many sites offering it, or something to that effect. Don't quote me on that. But it was similar I believe. So I just wanted to illustrate that just because a website claims to offer something, especially these pharmacy websites and most especially for overseas pharmacies, certain is no guarantee and actually is about 99% non-guaranteed that they will or can deliver.
Okay - sorry for the length, but just wanted to explain some things so we're all on the same page here.

#19 Consumer Suggestion
For Olivia......I know how to read...AND...
AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, June 29, 2006
The OP never said she had a PRESCRIPTION, she said she sent medical records and ID. That is what I responded to.
Also, any company who does not accept credit cards or debit cards should be avoided, as should anyone who only ships COD. As is a "business" who has no advertised physical business location or LISTED business phone#'s.
These are warning signs, and COMMON SENSE would tell ANYONE to go elsewhere.

#18 Consumer Comment
MY RESPONSE CONCERNING PMC
AUTHOR: Sally - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, June 27, 2006
PMC is a real company.One that I used with wonderful results.I am sorry to say that the original poster on this issue changed her story many times.It is very sad when one has to lie in order to recieve attention and in doing so try to destroy a reputable Companys reputation.Shame,shame!

#17 Consumer Comment
In Their Defense
AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, June 23, 2006
While ROPs (Records Required Online Pharmacy) and OCS (Online Consultation Services) may be controversial, they currently are considered legal in all but 1 of the contiguous US states so that part of this thread should be put aside.
In defense of PMC, there have been many satisfied customers, including myself. They are a relatively new startup, within the last 3 months. They provide the doctor consultations and send the legal prescriptions over to the pharmacy that they work with IF any medication is warranted based upon a doctor's review of the patient's medical records.
PMC is not the pharmacy, but they do work with the pharmacy. I am a member of an online pharmacy forum and have seen the "victims" posting there and have also witnessed some of the responses the OCS took. They had the pharmacy do a hard count to ensure they did not "underfill" the prescription. They reviewed video footage (or at least they claimed to) both came back as negative for any tampering according to PMC posting on the forum.
There continues to be charges of stolen medications from delivery services and in the news recently was a report about a UPS driver charged in just such an incident (however, I am not saying that happened in this case). The point is, the theft could have occurred anywhere along the chain of events leading to the receipt of the medication by the Marietta.
Again, PMC is the consulting firm, not the pharmacy. I believe PMC did what they could given the situation and even requested that the pharmacy double check their records. These pharmacies deal in much larger quantities of medication than what Marietta had ordered via prescription and it would be very odd for the pharmacy to put their reputation at stake over such a small quantity of pills, but stranger things do happen.
Being a customer of PMC, I can only say that I have received everything in good order that was prescribed. Also, their latest innovation is a tamper proof seal placed over the top of the bottle and under the prescription label. This indicator will help to identify if a problem existed at the pharmacy level or after the medication left the pharmacy hands.
As always, with COD shipments, it is always a good idea to check the package before the delivery guy leaves with your money. Just food for thought.
Thank you for letting me post my rebuttal and I wish Marietta the best of luck in the future. Try talking with the manager again. He has always made up for any mistakes in my case by offering free shipping on the next order, etc. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Oh, and the refill information on the bottle, just my opinion but, I think that is so they can send the refills to an alternate pharmacy easily should for some reason they decide not to do business with a certain one. I had no problems whatsoever obtaining my refills with PMC regardless of what was on the label. Again, this is just my opinion.
Be well!

#16 Consumer Suggestion
Steve
AUTHOR: Olivia - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, June 23, 2006
Yes Steve they do have a valid prescription from a real Doctor. That is why there is a fine line to all of the on line places.
Yes and Yes

#15 Consumer Comment
More bad news for Marietta....I checked out this company..
AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, June 23, 2006
I checked out this company. They do not exist!
The website domain is done by proxy through godaddy.com. This is the first sign of bad news and of an illegal venture. Anyone who hides their identity and contact info should be avoided.>>
>>
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: PROGRESSIVEMEDICALCONSULTANTS.COM
Created on: 25-Oct-05
Expires on: 25-Oct-06
Last Updated on: 27-Mar-06
Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration PROGRESSIVEMEDICALCONSULTANTS.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration PROGRESSIVEMEDICALCONSULTANTS.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.PROGRESSIVEMEDICALCONSULTANTS.COM
NS2.PROGRESSIVEMEDICALCONSULTANTS.COM
The second warning flag is having to pay C.O.D. only, AND only with a money order.
ALL legitimate businesses take debit cards and credit cards! I have NEVER seen a pharmacy that didn't.
The third warning flag is that there is no physical contact information listed anywhere on their website. Toll free phone#'s mean nothing. They can be a stand alone or virtual service with no physical address.
They have an entire section on the website in FAQ about missing or incorrect product, and once you sign for it there is no recourse! Unless this was a regular occurence, or the covering of a scam, that paragraph would not be there!
EVERY legitimate company takes full responsibility for your order and offers 100% satisfaction with the order.
This has so many warning flags that all say SCAM!
The only local# given is an 813# but is a fax#. This too can be an eFax# with no physical location.
(813) 856-4550 is a land line based in Plant City, FL The registered service provider is XO**.
Detailed listing information is not available.
This "business" has NO listed BUSINESS telephone#'s in that name.
I searched all State of Florida Licensing agencies and this business does NOT exist. No Corp, LLC, Partnership, Fictitious name filing or even a business license!
Well, thats the story! You got ripped off by a business that doesnt even exist!
Better luck next time.
I suggest you go to a REAL doctor who has a PHYSICAL location and a REAL pharmacy who has a physical location and accepts debit and credit cards!

#14 Consumer Suggestion
Marietta..some more info for you...and a question..
AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, June 23, 2006
Marietta,
Your assumptions are wrong! I can show you dozens of online pharmacies that operate outside the US that you can get Hydrocodone from! It makes absolutely no difference where it is manufactured.
The manufacturers distribute worldwide, and many countries have no requirement for a prescription to dispense drugs.
That brings me back to my original question. Did you have a valid prescription written by a doctor in the US? Your medical records and identification mean absolutely nothing.
Did you have a valid prescription? AND, did the pharmacy require that you sent it to them prior to filling and shipping your meds?
If the answer to either question was no, than you ordered prescriptions illegally, and they were shipped illegally.
That is the law.

#13 Consumer Suggestion
Many have used PMC
AUTHOR: Olivia - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, June 23, 2006
I used them once the price is very good. NOT in the end! They were speedy and the Dr. was very helpful with my MS and gave me some great suggestions. I did not like the fact that they do not show refills on the bottle and they will tell you on your third refill that you need to show a Doctor that has given you hydro for your condition. That is so stupid if a Doctor would give people hydro they would have no need for PMC or any other ROP. So that is clearly a rip off and they know what they are doing.
I will never go back to them. I have never had any problems with any other OP with my records. I found them to be very strange the way they operate.
NO tracking number no refills they say because of security. I say it is so they don't have to give you any refills. Why do they not do CC well it is because they know they are ripping off people. They don't want people doing charge backs. I also have MS plus fibro and knee problems. I am waiting for SSI so I can go to a Doctor for my medication. When you pay over 100 bucks to go to the Dr. and he makes you come in every other month then a ROP is cheaper right now. For now I have to use ROP but when my Medicade kicks in bye rip off ON LINE PHARMACIES.
Making a profit off of other peoples pain. At least they should lower the price on what they sell. I went to the dentist a few months ago and paid 7 bucks for 30 hydro. I got 30 hydro of the same from PMC for 50 wow what a mark up. This place has good prices compared to many others. They charge only 75 bucks and you would pay that for a dr. visit. Some of the Rops charge as much as 150 people are just stupid that pay that much.
No one should judge why anyone used these places. I will say that if you have had the same DR for 16 years you need to move on. Really that is just ignorant. I am not judging you only telling you 16 yrs and no meds wake up and smell the hydro.You will find a Doctor if you look hard to give your meds to you for MS. Trust me I have it and I will have a DR when I get my Medicaid. I am not being mean I want you to get the help you need and not pay a dime to these places anymore.
If you have Medicare or Medicaid Please get a Doctor. that can help you. Trust me I have MS and I know there are Doctors that can help you. Also I know there are new meds for MS patients. I hope your Doctor is trying them with you. I hate seeing anyone ripped off or in pain they are taking advantage of us with pain issues. You and I are in the same boat. Please find another DR. Maybe the owner will give you a free consult if you talk to them again. If not then run from them and don't look back and stay with one of the others you have used and know to be good. If the owner did call you that then he should look in the mirror because he is a pusher and or dealer if he says your an addict. Shame on you Mr. PMC if you did in fact say that. The other thing is if the DEA would just let the Doctors treat their patients with chronic pain all of these so called pharmacies would be just a thing of the past.
Shame on him if he did he should apologize. I really think the owner should do something about this because I do not think someone would go to all this trouble if it really did not happen. If your trying to get free drugs they try and if it don't work then they stop. I see it all the time on the forums. This has gone above and beyond so I really believe you.
Owner please help this person because no one would do all this if they were lying. Go to the police and file a report so they can trace the steps of the package and find the thief. You have done nothing wrong so do not be afraid to get the police involved. That should make him a little nervous when the cops call him or the DEA.
Good luck to you.

#12 Consumer Comment
To whoever said Hydrocodone is a schedule 2 med
AUTHOR: Dawn - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, June 23, 2006
Please get you facts straight, hydrocodone/apap, or vicodin or norco or lortab/lorcet is not a scheduled II medication, it is a scheduled III medication that is a controlled substance.
Now onto why some people turn to the Online Consulting Services for Pain meds, well I can you as someone who is a nurse that it is not that easy to pain contol medication from a local doctor, they are petrified of the DEA and many docs who used to prescribe for pain meds are no longer prescribing for pain meds either because they have lost their license to prescribe or because they have heard a few docs loosing their license to prescribe and are scared. Pain is what I think is the # 1 under treated condition in this country today, why because the DEA is playing Doctor without ever having gone to any kind of medical school and also because you cannot see pain.
Thank you for letting me comment.

#11 REBUTTAL Individual responds
In my Defense etc.
AUTHOR: Marietta - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, June 23, 2006
This is not a chat board nor is it a pick up place to meet and get coffee! I will turn in your posts if you have nothing to say about my Report. Start your own report if you want to talk. Now I did nothing illegal when I ordered this product! I had medical records and State Identification sent to a Licensed doctor. Also you cannot obtain Hydrocodone anywhere but in the United States we are the only country that manafactures this drug.
It's not more expensive for me to order online than for me to see my doctor after you add up all the fee's! I made this report so other's that may consider using this source to obtain legal medication can be warned not to do it!
I am not here to be flamed in anyway.
Also I used COD to pay for my meds so there is no charge back of a credit card going to happen. If you don't have anything to contribute that is positive then keep it to yourself!

#10 Consumer Comment
It's a date LOL
AUTHOR: Lorraine - Geek Consumer Advocate :-) - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, June 22, 2006
Sounds like a plan to me. Get my info from ED staff and drop me a line so we can arrange a time/place to meet. (I already told him it was ok to pass it on to you via email.) There is parking right across from where I live for a truck, a trucker friend I used to ride along with before he retired parked there often.
I agree about the Tramadol. I tried it years ago and it made me sicker than a dog and real sleepy. Hydrocodone I don't feel any 'high' from, but gets the pain kinda gone.
I do so hope all those in pain who have posted on this report are able to find the right doctor for them and get their pain under control. Untreated pain can lead quickly to depression and really destroy your quality of life.

#9 Consumer Comment
Lorraine..Thanks for the info!..I felt there might be a problem with it..
AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, June 22, 2006
Lorraine,
I'm lucky, as the VA pays 100% for all of my meds for my back and knee injuries. I actually liked the Hydrocodone better, but cannot legally have it in my system driving a tractor-trailer.
I have been off for a few weeks because I aggravated my back with too many hours back to back. I go for another MRI tomorrow, and will ask about other options for pain meds.
I noticed that the tramadol causes night sweats if taken too close together. I don't have a regular schedule, so taking meds on a schedule is hard.
Anyway, that cup of coffee will be on me next time I'm in PHX!
Take care

#8 Consumer Suggestion
*sigh* I can't type some days
AUTHOR: Lorraine - Geek Consumer Advocate :-) - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, June 22, 2006
I did it again didn't I? I typo'd the schedule on another rebuttal too. Sometimes I type faster than I think and again put 2 instead of 3.
I've taken almost every painkiller out there over the years, the strength depending on my pain levels/tolerance and if I had insurance or not. Now I don't, so the most I can afford is simple Lortab 10/500 and Soma every month. If I don't move around much, it kinda works. When circumstances change in the future, I will go back on Oxycontin or Methadone, which both work much better for me and enable me to actually go out of the house and do things other than just sit and play online.
My best friend is a pharmacy tech! He loves the job and is considering going back to college to become a full fledged pharmacist.
I talk to many pain patients and 'medical addicts' online and the majority of them who have tried the online pharmacies have ended up losing their money and getting no product.
Steve, please be careful with that Tramadol. A friend of mine who was on it for quite some time with pain issues was finally able to taper off it, but then she had a very bad seizure and fell, cracking open her head. To this day she has not regained her full senses of smell and taste. Opiates don't cause you to seize when you detox, but Tramadol, being man made, will cause some to. You shouldn't have too much problem as you are going back and forth between the two meds, which in itself will help you not build up the tolerance you'd get taking only the Tramadol.

#7 Consumer Suggestion
LORRAINE
AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, June 22, 2006
Lorraine,
You have some very good info on Hydrocodone/APAP.
I have been a Certified Pharmacy Tech for 12 years and seen thousands of prescriptions for Lortab, not to mention the stronger Percocet(Oxycodone). And I know from ordering these drugs from the wholesalers that Hydrocodone is dirt cheap. It is amazing what these online pharmacies are charging. But one correction. Lortab/Vicodin(Hydrocodone) is a Schedule III drug, not Schedule II. Percocet/Percodan(Oxycodone)is a Schedule II.

#6 Consumer Suggestion
Lorraine is absolutely right!
AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, June 22, 2006
Tina,
You need to find a new doctor!
I also live in daily constant pain. I have 3 damaged disks (L-4,L-5,S-1). I have no problem getting the 10/650 Hydrocodone. I get a 90 day supply mailed to me! Legally.
When I am not working [Truck Driver] I take the Hydrocodone, when I am working, I take Tramadol/Ultracet.
Lorraine is absolutely correct. If the doctor keeps good records there will never be a problem with the DEA.
Keep in mind that many of those online pharmacies who offer online consultation/no prescription needed are not at all regulated by the FDA. You may even get a totally different drug, or even a placebo. These pharmacies are not in the US and shipping of Meds in or out of the country without a prescription by a US doctor and a US licensed pharmacy is a crime.
Postal inspectors sieze these shipments all day long, as do customs officials.
For Marietta.. The website address may be in Tampa.. But your drugs would be coming from outside the US if you did not send them a valid prescription from a US doctor.

#5 Consumer Suggestion
Tina .. If a doctor keeps good records, the DEA won't bother him at all
AUTHOR: Lorraine - Geek Consumer Advocate :-) - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, June 21, 2006
You say your doctor won't give out painkillers and you have MS, yet you haven't in all these years asked him to either refer you out to a pain doc or found a new doctor who will give you something for pain? Why not?
I have Crohn's, Fibro, IBS and run migraines. I give a doctor one chance and no more. They either help me stay painfree or they are fired and I hire a new doctor to care for me. I pass out from my pain when it hits, I can't go without meds and won't put up with a doctor who wants to play God. I hire them and I can fire them just as fast, if they can't care for me in the way I need. I did that many times until I found a very caring, understanding Osteopath who's taken very good care of me the past 6 years.
If a doctor keeps good records, the DEA won't bother him at all. My doc is very careful that my use of opiates is well documented, I see him as the law requires and I fill at one pharmacy only. If your doctor is that terrified of the DEA, then maybe he needs to find a new line of work.
The next time you see your doctor, ask him again for something if you are in pain. If he says no, he won't write for painkiller, then ask him to refer you to a pain doctor who can and will. If he won't do that, fire him and find a new doc to be your GP.

#4 Consumer Comment
Doctors prescribing pain meds
AUTHOR: Tina - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, June 21, 2006
I am glad that so many of you can go to your doctor and get the pain medication prescribed to you that you need.
It doesn't work that way for most of us anymore.
Doctors are being threatened by DEA agents and arrested.... even if they have medical records to back up a patients need for pain control.
I have MS and have been seeing the same doctor for 16 years. He will flat out tell you he doesn't prescribe narcotics because of the fear of being arrested.
If you are really interested in more info on this subject, please read my blog at
You will find 3 links (wasn't room to post them all) to stories where doctors have been railroaded by the DEA.
Don't jump to conclusions.....many of us pain control patients have to find other ways to get relief from the pain. The suicide rate is climbing every day due to uncontrolled pain.
CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

#3 Consumer Comment
Did you have a legal prescription?
AUTHOR: Lorraine - Geek Consumer Advocate :-) - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, June 20, 2006
Steve gave you some good questions, but I want to take it a little further. I'm curious why the OP would go online to try to get this order filled. From what I've seen of these online pharmacies, most of them are total ripoffs and they rarely send product after giving them your money. The few that do, charge way higher prices than you would pay at your local pharmacy.
Is there a reason you didn't go to your doctor and ask him to write you for some Vicodin/Lortab or did you have him fax a script to this company? That drug Hydrocodone/APAP comes in 5/500, 7.5/750 and 10/500 (or 300 for some brands). It's from the opiate family, but much stronger than Codeine. It's a schedule 2 drug, which means you can't obtain it without a legal prescription from a doctor.
How much did they charge you? A few online pharmacies have a doctor on staff that will write a script for you, if you are willing to pay outrageous prices for this service, along with paying another fortune for the drug itself. (Which is the only way buying from this company would be legal, if your personal doctor isn't involved in the process.) That brings us back to why didn't you just see your personal physician? For the cost of an office visit, upon finding you have justified pain, most doctors will give you some kind of painkiller, but not normally anything stronger than 5/500 for hydrocodone and Tylenol (APAP).
I am a Chronic Pain Patient with no insurance. I pay 70 dollars for a doc visit (once every 3 to 4 months) and just shy of 90 a month for 180 Lortab 10/500. I have built up a massive tolerance to opiates over the years, so while that is a very low dose for me, it could make a person who'd never taken opiates to the point of an OD. I seriously doubt I could walk cold into a new doctor's office and get him to give me what I presently take. I've spent years with the same doctor and have more than proven to him I'm truly in pain and I do not ever abuse my meds, I always take as directed.
What OTC drug did they send you in place of what you tried to order from them? You weren't clear on that in your report.
Pain sucks, I'm the first to admit that. If you are still hurting, please make an appointment with your doctor and ask him to prescribe you something for your pain, then take the script to a local pharmacy. That way you are assured you will get what you need to get out of pain.

#2 Consumer Comment
OOPS! Typo..sorry
AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, June 20, 2006
Should read 650mg Acetaminophen not Hydrocodone.
Was too early in the AM for me to think straight!

#1 Consumer Suggestion
Dispute the charge!
AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, June 20, 2006
You did use a credit card, right?
Or at least a Visa/MC branded debit card?
You do know what Hydrocodone is, right?
It is a form of Codiene, and the pill you get is mostly Acetaminophen!
660 mg pill = 10 mg Hydrocodone + 650 mg Hydrocodone.
Why not just get a legal prescription filled at your local pharmacy? Any doctor will write it!


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