PSI Seminars ripoff Phoenix Arizona

Bring your own folding chair....LOL

Why don't those hooked on PSI Seminars get that they are being taken advantage of? That they are pouring money and unpaid time into a business they are getting nothing back from? Why don't they get that the whole absurdity of the brainwash... er "training?"

My wife just returned from PSI7 this last Sunday and I am very, very, concerned. She came home for this seminar with a new found attitude towards me, our marriage and our children. She tried to talk me into taking this course ever since she got home. She has been talking about playing something called Pld (?) and getting people that we know into enrolling in the class. She is constantly on the phone shouting the praises of this group. She tried to talk our teenage daughter into taking this course. My daughter being somewhat computer savvy looked PSI up on the internet and found all this information about these groups. When my daughter, being somewhat a straight forward person, told my wife she had been brainwashed by a cult she started having a fit that she could not be influenced by anyone; that what my daughter found was made up b*&*& by people who want to destroy PSI. Like there is global conspiracy against this organization.

Now she is butting heads with our teenage daughter on every little thing that comes up. This causes me the problem of having to act as a mediator between the two of them. I tell my daughter to let things go and maybe my wife will return to normal. I tried to tell my wife that there is a lot of evidence out there that support the fact that she has been influenced by this group. The argument that ensued was the worse one in our 19 year marriage. She told me I wasn't supporting her and I was taking sides with my daughter. I tried to explain to her that I wasn't taking a side against her, rather I was agreeing with my daughter's assessment that she had been influenced by this group. I told her that her new attitude was not something I liked and I suggested she rethink what she was doing with our relationship and the relationship with our oldest daughter. I guess that was the wrong thing to say because I got the cold shoulder on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Wednesday evening she returned home with all her things from the office and told me she quit her job for no apparent reason except she wants a change. No forethought whatsoever. She had thirteen years in the company and threw away her seniority, medical insurance, etc, for these new ideas that the universe is going to provide her with her wants and needs.

This shift in her attitude is costing us a lot of mental anguish and a large amount of money. She told me that she paid three thousand dollars for the 7 day seminar after attending the four day basic a few months ago. When she returned from California she tells me that she paid this organization another $3600.00 for a nine day leadership class. We don't have the money for this and she doesn't seem to care. Then to quit her job without any warning. She told me she is moving forward with her life and after reading some of the posts on here and other sites I am very concerned that I am going to lose my wife. The power of positive thinking is one thing but this is ridiculous.

I am a former (beginning in 1985) and current student and have attended all of their programs. Wikipedia defines cult as "a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture considers outside the mainstream, with a notably positive or negative popular perception.

In common or populist usage, "cult" has a positive connotation for groups of art, music, writing, fiction, and fashion devotees,[1] but a negative connotation for new religious, extreme political, questionable therapeutic, and pyramidal business groups." It is a cohesive social group devoted to world peace one mind at a time. It is not a religion, nor political, nor pyramidal.

I believe it is highly therapeutic! (I am a licensed marriage and family therapist.) I went back to school for 12 years after attending the PSI Seminars and prompted by a new-found belief that I had value and could contribute to this world.

Mr. Derrick's assertion that "We would meet after all of the sessions and....intentionally avoid" anyone is absolutely contrary to my experience. I have never found a more accepting, open group of people in my entire 52 years. Never have I experienced anyone attempting to stop exchange of e-mail or phone contact information. Cause and economics are two base functions of any successful organization.

Of course a successful company is interested in keeping a company fiscally sound. On the other hand, I have known the "top" people from a distance and up close - the same four women manage this company now as 25 years ago. They are women leaders of integrity. I have personally experienced their kindness and caring throughout the years.

So you've been cajoled into attending PSI Seminars by a loved one, or an employer. What do you do?

I attended PSI Seminars a few weeks ago, against my better judgment, and afterwards I decided to compile this list of helpful suggestions for people who find themselves in the same uncomfortable position that I did.

PSI Seminars may vary from region to region, so I don't know if everything that I bring up happens at every PSI Seminars weekend, but I'm not exactly willing to find out firsthand. Anyway, here is my advice on how to go through it with your brain intact, and a few observations.

1. Don't go. If it's a friend or employer who is enrolling you, give a very firm NO as soon as possible, or better yet, use PSI-speak and say I choose not to go. Give no explanations, for none will be accepted. This will not be easy for most people, but it is highly recommended.

2. If you chicken out with rule #1, don't count on going to PSI Seminars and getting your refund on the first day. Yes, they do offer a refund, but before they offer it to you there is a speech on how much courage it takes to attend PSI, and how everyone there should be congratulated for having so much courage. After that, people who want a refund are asked to rise, go to the back of the room and collect their refund. Very clever. If you don't have the fortitude to do #1, you won't find this to be any easier.

3. Before you go, read as much about PSI Seminars, from rickross.com, as you can stomach. It helps to know the jargon, techniques, philosophy, history, and of course the big Sunday afternoon punch-line; Life is empty and meaningless. (Not worthless, meaningless. Be aware of the distinction.) Many of the worst case scenarios that you will read are just that, worst case. It's not likely to happen to you, but why take that chance (See #1).

4. VERY IMPORTANT: Bring your own chair. PSI Seminars has notoriously hard chairs. Bring along one of those fold up canvas chairs. On the breaks, take the chair with you, and move to another area when you return. There is no acceptable reason for you to be uncomfortable. If you bring your own chair, you can consistently choose to be on the end of one of the last rows. Also, an added bonus is that you are likely to inspire others to show up on subsequent days with their own chairs. PSI wants a very controlled environment (Especially chairs.), they don't like this control being disrupted, but they will accommodate you.

5. Bring a cooler full of food, and keep it in your car. The half hour breaks aren't long enough to run out to a restaurant. Make your own sandwiches and bring your favorite fruits and vegetables. Eat things that will keep your energy up. You'll need healthy foods to keep your critical thinking in gear.

6. At the beginning of PSI Seminars, the leader may mention that Everything I say up here, isn't the truth. Remember this, and take them at their word. Pay attention to these sorts of disclaimers. Essentially, they tell you outright that what they are telling you for the next few days is crap. You can, at the very least, agree on that.

7. They give you homework at the breaks. Don't do the homework. If by chance someone asks you why you didn't do your homework, just say Because I chose not to. That is all you need.

8. Don't stand up and try to reason or argue with the leader. This is pointless (See #6.) PSI Seminars philosophy rejects the concept of reason. Remember: You can't reason a person out of an idea, that wasn't reasoned into to begin with.

9. The leader and volunteers aren't your friends. They're like car salesmen, or people who sell time shares in Ft. Lauderdale. They may be friendly, they may be very nice people, but they aren't your friend.

10. Don't be angry. You're already there, don't make it worse for yourself by being angry. Yes, you're bored, frustrated (Remember #6), and bored, but maybe make a game out of the situation. Think up nicknames for the various volunteers. Call them by their designated nicknames when you breeze past them on your way to and from the meeting room. How's it goin' Roscoe? Atta boy, Skippy. Beautiful day, eh Chuckles?, etc. Disclaimer: Enthusiastic friendliness is an important key.

11. When approached by one of the volunteers, tell them no more about yourself than what you would tell to a perfect stranger. Be cheerful, maintain unwavering eye-contact, and deflect their prying questions about you, by asking only questions about them. Where are you from? How long have you been in PSI? What event in your past did you overcome because of PSI Seminars? etc. If there's one thing you can count on, it's that PSIer's love to talk about themselves. Keep them going until they get bored, or until time runs out.


Observations:

I found it startling how much PSI philosophy is almost an exact photo-negative of Objectivism; feelings over reason, denial of objective reality, devaluing of human judgment, and volunteers that give up their time for a group without compensation. Both philosophies emphasize choice, but in diametrically opposite ways. PSI encourages choice as an end to itself (I choose, because I choose to.), cutting evidence or reason out of the equation. Objectivism is about choice based solely on a devotion to ones own interest, using ones own senses and mind to reason and understand a tangible world.

Ask yourself why the "leader" keeps quoting a Stalinist (Jean Paul Sartre) and a n**i (Martin Heidegger). No doubt, some people will be impressed by quotes from philosophers with exotic sounding foreign names, but why does the leader feel that such compromised individuals are so intellectually persuasive? Does the leader hope that most in the room haven't heard of these people, or maybe haven't yet mastered the finer points of Googling?

PSI Seminars claims that they can help you to unlock your creativity. Create a new possibility, if you will. I've had the opportunity to watch several movies made by, and promoted by Landmarkians; Pay It Forward, The Matrix sequels, even What the Bleep Do We Know. On the surface, very different movies, but they all have one thing in common. They're crap. Not just crap, mind you, boring, proselytizing crap.
Think of your favorite movie and realize that there is at least a 99% chance that the writers and directors of that film didn't use PSI technology to unlock their creativity. What it took was determination, luck, and some combination of innate and acquired skills. There is no one-weekend magic bullet for creativity.

In reading various sites by people promoting PSI Seminars, there is one thing that becomes immediately apparent. They all sound alike. There's a limp SAMENESS to nearly everything that I've read by these people, and it's chilling to go from page to page, person to person, seemingly all written with the same voice. Certainly there are more points that I could make, but these are my most obvious suggestions and observations.

Remember, always think for yourself, and be wary of anyone who tries to convince you to turn off your inner voice, because that inner voice IS YOU.

I've been away from PSI Seminars for a little while because I had to find myself after being brainwashed by the so called training and let go of all the things that have come to my life in this last year from PSI Seminars; to the discovery of the truth to my recovery.

I've been feeling better and better day by day, week by week. My rage started to fade, especially after I finished my revision of these seminars, writing down almost everything I could remember. Then I cut the bridges with basically everyone who was, and still is, involved in the cult and cancel them completely from my life. I found myself thinking about that horrible time less and less.

When I went on holiday, I forced myself not to check any forum or group or website about PSI Seminars. I wanted a completely cult-free time. I started to go out with old friends, going clubbing, restaurants, cinemas, I got a new job, and I put my finances back on track. I left my old job and ended up broke, but now, just yesterday I paid off my last credit card repayment. My card is clear and my bank account is up again. I finally think my recovery is almost complete.

Now I've come back nor do I check the Rick Ross message broad; I don't write anymore, nor I felt the need till today. Not because I'm not interested anymore but because I felt it's time to move on.
Today, then, something extremely upsetting happened. I've been called from the PSI Office.

-Hi this is Lori from PSI Seminars. How are you today?
-F*** off. (click)

I had been told by a few staff members that my file had been cancelled. Now I found not only that they didn't cancel my data, they didn't even have the decency to put me in their 'don't call' list. Obviously I have been lied to (and I can't believe that surprised me). Now I feel furious.

Just when I thought I had my life back, they come back calling me. I don't even think this is the first time, I found some unknown missed calls in the past; I just thought they were some friends or relatives (and some times they were, so I never worried). I can't believe this is happening. This nightmare must end.

Maybe they'll just smile at me and pretend not to understand what I'm talking about, and I'll have to change my number (which I don't want to because I'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG) but at least I'll clear the air and feel lighter (well at least from my side. They'll always be repugnant).

This was posted on rickross:

"I simply cannot understand why people feel that PSI is the answer to their problems. Take it, you might like it. I took what I wanted and left the rest It's so perfect, it's imperfect. It does nothing but destroy lives, bending the minds of people for the single purpose of relieving them of their money. PSI does not care what the end result of your move to the white light means to you. It only cares about the money it can obtain from you.

You say it's a business; of course they want to sell you more seminars. They are in the business of making money. PSI is a con game geared towards relieving you of more of your money. Spend enough on the seminars and they give you a ring? It was well worth what I took from it. Would it be worth your family? Would it be worth the loss of the respect of your family and friends?

Before PSI my wife was someone I LOVED, respected and trusted. Her friends held her in high esteem. She had their trust and respect. This PSI *&*& BRAINWASHED my wife and made her into a selfish *&*&. Nothing more, nothing less. Now her ex-friends don't trust her, nor do they believe her lies. They now laugh at her behind her back and gossip about her and the cult she involved herself in.

I see the problems she has created in her life in a very short time. She now sits in jail waiting for a trial for passing bad checks for the simple reason that she wanted the money to take more of these seminars. Her PSI buddies berate her for being late to her PLD meetings and she's upset that they called her on it as she put it. They told her she was out of integrity. Well they had that part right; she is out of integrity. She lost her integrity for believing in this PSI *&*&. Her friends can't believe she got into this kind of trouble since her return from the ranch. They ask how she could have been this stupid. Some ask how come I did not see this coming and I have reached the point where I am embarrassed to have been married to her.

This has caused me a lot of heart ache and has put a strain on my family. MY FAMILY, not some PSI group. I don't see her PSI buddies going to the jail to see her in her time of need. I don't see her PSI buddies fronting the money to bail her out. In fact she has told me that she tried to call one or two of them and they won't accept the charges for the collect call. So much for the bond they shared at the ranch. Well she's not laughing about this anymore. You should ask her how it feels to lose, not only her self respect, but her freedom.

As for her family; my daughters should not have to see their mother in jail. Can you ever imagine taking your children to a jail to visit their mother? They won't go because they're embarrassed to be seen there and I refuse to take them. When she asks why they won't come I take the blame and tell her I don't want them to see the environment of a jail.

The fact remains; I still LOVE and miss my wife; stupid or not. I guess that's something that will not change.

As for your attempt to persuade me that PSI is what it is; I am here to tell you PSI is nothing more than a bunch of *&*&, pure and simple. PSI was a business founded by a man who saw people as easy marks to separate them from their money. And you fell for it."

This was posted on rickross:

"I simply cannot understand why people feel that PSI is the answer to their problems. Take it, you might like it. I took what I wanted and left the rest It's so perfect, it's imperfect. It does nothing but destroy lives, bending the minds of people for the single purpose of relieving them of their money. PSI does not care what the end result of your move to the white light means to you. It only cares about the money it can obtain from you.

You say it's a business; of course they want to sell you more seminars. They are in the business of making money. PSI is a con game geared towards relieving you of more of your money. Spend enough on the seminars and they give you a ring? It was well worth what I took from it. Would it be worth your family? Would it be worth the loss of the respect of your family and friends?

Before PSI my wife was someone I LOVED, respected and trusted. Her friends held her in high esteem. She had their trust and respect. This PSI *&*& BRAINWASHED my wife and made her into a selfish *&*&. Nothing more, nothing less. Now her ex-friends don't trust her, nor do they believe her lies. They now laugh at her behind her back and gossip about her and the cult she involved herself in.

I see the problems she has created in her life in a very short time. She now sits in jail waiting for a trial for passing bad checks for the simple reason that she wanted the money to take more of these seminars. Her PSI buddies berate her for being late to her PLD meetings and she's upset that they called her on it as she put it. They told her she was out of integrity. Well they had that part right; she is out of integrity. She lost her integrity for believing in this PSI *&*&. Her friends can't believe she got into this kind of trouble since her return from the ranch. They ask how she could have been this stupid. Some ask how come I did not see this coming and I have reached the point where I am embarrassed to have been married to her.

This has caused me a lot of heart ache and has put a strain on my family. MY FAMILY, not some PSI group. I don't see her PSI buddies going to the jail to see her in her time of need. I don't see her PSI buddies fronting the money to bail her out. In fact she has told me that she tried to call one or two of them and they won't accept the charges for the collect call. So much for the bond they shared at the ranch. Well she's not laughing about this anymore. You should ask her how it feels to lose, not only her self respect, but her freedom.

As for her family; my daughters should not have to see their mother in jail. Can you ever imagine taking your children to a jail to visit their mother? They won't go because they're embarrassed to be seen there and I refuse to take them. When she asks why they won't come I take the blame and tell her I don't want them to see the environment of a jail.

The fact remains; I still LOVE and miss my wife; stupid or not. I guess that's something that will not change.

As for your attempt to persuade me that PSI is what it is; I am here to tell you PSI is nothing more than a bunch of *&*&, pure and simple. PSI was a business founded by a man who saw people as easy marks to separate them from their money. And you fell for it."

This was posted on rickross:

"I simply cannot understand why people feel that PSI is the answer to their problems. Take it, you might like it. I took what I wanted and left the rest It's so perfect, it's imperfect. It does nothing but destroy lives, bending the minds of people for the single purpose of relieving them of their money. PSI does not care what the end result of your move to the white light means to you. It only cares about the money it can obtain from you.

You say it's a business; of course they want to sell you more seminars. They are in the business of making money. PSI is a con game geared towards relieving you of more of your money. Spend enough on the seminars and they give you a ring? It was well worth what I took from it. Would it be worth your family? Would it be worth the loss of the respect of your family and friends?

Before PSI my wife was someone I LOVED, respected and trusted. Her friends held her in high esteem. She had their trust and respect. This PSI *&*& BRAINWASHED my wife and made her into a selfish *&*&. Nothing more, nothing less. Now her ex-friends don't trust her, nor do they believe her lies. They now laugh at her behind her back and gossip about her and the cult she involved herself in.

I see the problems she has created in her life in a very short time. She now sits in jail waiting for a trial for passing bad checks for the simple reason that she wanted the money to take more of these seminars. Her PSI buddies berate her for being late to her PLD meetings and she's upset that they called her on it as she put it. They told her she was out of integrity. Well they had that part right; she is out of integrity. She lost her integrity for believing in this PSI *&*&. Her friends can't believe she got into this kind of trouble since her return from the ranch. They ask how she could have been this stupid. Some ask how come I did not see this coming and I have reached the point where I am embarrassed to have been married to her.

This has caused me a lot of heart ache and has put a strain on my family. MY FAMILY, not some PSI group. I don't see her PSI buddies going to the jail to see her in her time of need. I don't see her PSI buddies fronting the money to bail her out. In fact she has told me that she tried to call one or two of them and they won't accept the charges for the collect call. So much for the bond they shared at the ranch. Well she's not laughing about this anymore. You should ask her how it feels to lose, not only her self respect, but her freedom.

As for her family; my daughters should not have to see their mother in jail. Can you ever imagine taking your children to a jail to visit their mother? They won't go because they're embarrassed to be seen there and I refuse to take them. When she asks why they won't come I take the blame and tell her I don't want them to see the environment of a jail.

The fact remains; I still LOVE and miss my wife; stupid or not. I guess that's something that will not change.

As for your attempt to persuade me that PSI is what it is; I am here to tell you PSI is nothing more than a bunch of *&*&, pure and simple. PSI was a business founded by a man who saw people as easy marks to separate them from their money. And you fell for it."

PSI is a cult; My wife went to PSI Seminars now she is really twisted in her thinking. They teach on broad subjects where everyone draws their own conclusion. There is no check to see what each student is about to take from the seminar into the world. What I'm saying is since there are no checks and balances from the discussions, everyone attending will select only what they think they need to fix their perceived problem. Then they plug the perceived solution in where ever they think it fits. The danger is that these are not real head doctors dealing in one on one person therapy. They don't have any way of knowing if this mental motivation is being applied correctly in theory or if they are making existing problems more complex. Each student will interpret what he or she wants from the subject matter.

My wife returned from these seminars talking like some kind of *&*&. She began blaming me for all her worldly unhappiness. The damage had been done after her PSI 7 seminar at the ranch and after she had spent about $3000.00. What I didn't know I learned through her actions.

PSI seminars didn't teach her anything about morals or ethics, but they did teach her it's all about the forward charge no matter what. Don't let the husband, or the kids or anything for that matter stand in your way of "happiness" and what they call "success." It's all about you and what you want in life and to push everything else to the side. She came back so changed that I don't know if I can deal with her anymore. She now says things to me meaningful only to her like "Who are you trying to be, or that is what you tell yourself." She came across as some sort of robot programmed to do someone else's bidding. I don't know what buttons they pressed in her mind that caused her to totally zone me out even if I was trying to save her for this b*&*&.

PSI Seminars is a very dangerous seminar to those whom minds and families it will destroy. It destroyed my family; it turned my wife into a mindless PSI idiot. Even my children, who are very young, won't go near her, not that she cares.

PSI is a cult; My wife went to PSI Seminars now she is really twisted in her thinking. They teach on broad subjects where everyone draws their own conclusion. There is no check to see what each student is about to take from the seminar into the world. What I'm saying is since there are no checks and balances from the discussions, everyone attending will select only what they think they need to fix their perceived problem. Then they plug the perceived solution in where ever they think it fits. The danger is that these are not real head doctors dealing in one on one person therapy. They don't have any way of knowing if this mental motivation is being applied correctly in theory or if they are making existing problems more complex. Each student will interpret what he or she wants from the subject matter.

My wife returned from these seminars talking like some kind of *&*&. She began blaming me for all her worldly unhappiness. The damage had been done after her PSI 7 seminar at the ranch and after she had spent about $3000.00. What I didn't know I learned through her actions.

PSI seminars didn't teach her anything about morals or ethics, but they did teach her it's all about the forward charge no matter what. Don't let the husband, or the kids or anything for that matter stand in your way of "happiness" and what they call "success." It's all about you and what you want in life and to push everything else to the side. She came back so changed that I don't know if I can deal with her anymore. She now says things to me meaningful only to her like "Who are you trying to be, or that is what you tell yourself." She came across as some sort of robot programmed to do someone else's bidding. I don't know what buttons they pressed in her mind that caused her to totally zone me out even if I was trying to save her for this b*&*&.

PSI Seminars is a very dangerous seminar to those whom minds and families it will destroy. It destroyed my family; it turned my wife into a mindless PSI idiot. Even my children, who are very young, won't go near her, not that she cares.

PSI is a cult; My wife went to PSI Seminars now she is really twisted in her thinking. They teach on broad subjects where everyone draws their own conclusion. There is no check to see what each student is about to take from the seminar into the world. What I'm saying is since there are no checks and balances from the discussions, everyone attending will select only what they think they need to fix their perceived problem. Then they plug the perceived solution in where ever they think it fits. The danger is that these are not real head doctors dealing in one on one person therapy. They don't have any way of knowing if this mental motivation is being applied correctly in theory or if they are making existing problems more complex. Each student will interpret what he or she wants from the subject matter.

My wife returned from these seminars talking like some kind of *&*&. She began blaming me for all her worldly unhappiness. The damage had been done after her PSI 7 seminar at the ranch and after she had spent about $3000.00. What I didn't know I learned through her actions.

PSI seminars didn't teach her anything about morals or ethics, but they did teach her it's all about the forward charge no matter what. Don't let the husband, or the kids or anything for that matter stand in your way of "happiness" and what they call "success." It's all about you and what you want in life and to push everything else to the side. She came back so changed that I don't know if I can deal with her anymore. She now says things to me meaningful only to her like "Who are you trying to be, or that is what you tell yourself." She came across as some sort of robot programmed to do someone else's bidding. I don't know what buttons they pressed in her mind that caused her to totally zone me out even if I was trying to save her for this b*&*&.

PSI Seminars is a very dangerous seminar to those whom minds and families it will destroy. It destroyed my family; it turned my wife into a mindless PSI idiot. Even my children, who are very young, won't go near her, not that she cares.

PSI is a cult; My wife went to PSI Seminars now she is really twisted in her thinking. They teach on broad subjects where everyone draws their own conclusion. There is no check to see what each student is about to take from the seminar into the world. What I'm saying is since there are no checks and balances from the discussions, everyone attending will select only what they think they need to fix their perceived problem. Then they plug the perceived solution in where ever they think it fits. The danger is that these are not real head doctors dealing in one on one person therapy. They don't have any way of knowing if this mental motivation is being applied correctly in theory or if they are making existing problems more complex. Each student will interpret what he or she wants from the subject matter.

My wife returned from these seminars talking like some kind of *&*&. She began blaming me for all her worldly unhappiness. The damage had been done after her PSI 7 seminar at the ranch and after she had spent about $3000.00. What I didn't know I learned through her actions.

PSI seminars didn't teach her anything about morals or ethics, but they did teach her it's all about the forward charge no matter what. Don't let the husband, or the kids or anything for that matter stand in your way of "happiness" and what they call "success." It's all about you and what you want in life and to push everything else to the side. She came back so changed that I don't know if I can deal with her anymore. She now says things to me meaningful only to her like "Who are you trying to be, or that is what you tell yourself." She came across as some sort of robot programmed to do someone else's bidding. I don't know what buttons they pressed in her mind that caused her to totally zone me out even if I was trying to save her for this b*&*&.

PSI Seminars is a very dangerous seminar to those whom minds and families it will destroy. It destroyed my family; it turned my wife into a mindless PSI idiot. Even my children, who are very young, won't go near her, not that she cares.

Hey Ronald from Peoria,

I'm glad they have MBA's in stupidity and your wife is a lawyer. If you're that smart you should really do more research on these groups and how destructive they are to people; their marriages and relationships. I'm glad your marriage survived. But my question to you is; how long will your marriage survive?

This was sent in by another PSI victim: You obviously know more than I do with your MBA. What would you tell this woman?

Posted: 06-18-2005 06:25 PM Post subject: This letter was sent to various PSI Groups. I copied it and pasted it here. Thought it was very interesting.
"Dear PSI brothers and sisters, especially my sisters. I'm writing this letter to you all to tell you that I have had a profound experience about PSI. I don't want to use my real name as it could lead to retribution so I've logged in with a different name and if someone who knows me figures out who I am I would ask that my identity be kept secret, as I'm very afraid. I started taking PSI seminars about two years ago and thought it was a very life moving experience. Shortly after taking PSI7 I came home and left my husband after a week. I had been married for ten years to a good and loving man, but at the time I thought there was more to life than what I had with him at home.

I divorced him and moved in with a man I had met at the Ranch. My relationship with this man continued for almost a year when I realized he was seeing another woman, who was also taking PSI, so I left him. After confronting my boyfriend about seeing this other woman he told me he only took the seminars to meet other woman and to get laid. I left him and I continued to enroll and staff the basic and WLS, enrolled in PLD, and realized after a time I was still missing something.

I spent most of my time working and earning extra money so I could pay for other PSI seminars and realized I have nothing to show for it except a failed marriage. My ex-husband continues to stay in touch with me as we have two children from our marriage and I realize this was the man I should have stayed with.

I started looking into PSI a few months ago after getting some disturbing emails and found several message boards describing the tactics used by PSI to get people to break up their marriages and relationships. After reading the information I realized I made a terrible mistake with my life. I know people that came out of the Basic and used what they found to be helpful and left what wasn't. I recruited' six of my closest friends to PSI. Two told me the seminar was *&*& and because I felt threatened by their lack of understanding I didn't see them anymore. Four went on to PSI7 and once they came back three left their husbands. I feel so ashamed that I was responsible for breaking up their marriages.

One of my friends came to the same realization I did and thankfully returned to her husband. The whole thing is that PSI preys on those that cannot separate themselves from what is healthy behavior and not healthy. That is transforming the world for the better? There is something in the training that cause people to believe they are "changing" the world but really all they are doing is keeping a choice few very money happy. These people don't truly care about transforming the world because if they did, they would not allow them to overlook the needs of their families.

If you are involved with PSI they have you hook line and sinker. Two years and $12,000.00 dollars I wasted. There is more to life than PSI, its life itself. The main reason I'm writing this letter to you, especially to you my sisters, is to look at these message boards. I saw my life in some of the stories I read there and I was scared and ashamed. I started to see a pattern with the tactics used by PSI to simply do one thing and that is to get our money. Google PSI and read the web sites you'll find there and make your own decision.

I'm only doing this because I learned to love all of you and know that we were all looking for something we didn't have before, and I've come to understand that I still didn't find what I was looking for and I cried because of what I gave up. My husband, my family and some of my closest friends, and know that because of the path I took I can't go back. The righteous anger I feel lead me to an all but irresistible compulsion to act, to do the right thing, and tell you what I learned about myself and others.

We can exercise free will and turn away, or stay with PSI but only at the cost of our self respect and to me that's intolerable. God bless you all. Keri

Apparently, are experiences were totally different. My wife and I loved it. We got out of it what we put in it. I can tell you that we are two very successful people. I have MBA and a good job. My wife is a successful lawyer. We both are great parents and we both have good relationships. We just needed help reconnecting in are relationship. We got this and more. In addition, I made a few more friends that I love hanging out with. As far as labeling it as a Cult, you sound stupid to a educated person like myself and my wife. If this a Cult, then I guess anyone watching Dr. Phil or Opera who also buying his books or her book recommendations is probably in a Cult by your definition.

In reality, none of the information was new to me. You can find this information spread out in several books. What this offers is a all-in-one package. However, I can see how a closed minded person, who thinks they know it all, but want acknowledge their problems would find PSI info useless.

Finally, for $450 this is a great deal! If I knew my relationship could get to the level it is at now, I would have paid $5000 to get these results in 4 days.

Sincerely,

Happy Customers!!!

Apparently, are experiences were totally different. My wife and I loved it. We got out of it what we put in it. I can tell you that we are two very successful people. I have MBA and a good job. My wife is a successful lawyer. We both are great parents and we both have good relationships. We just needed help reconnecting in are relationship. We got this and more. In addition, I made a few more friends that I love hanging out with. As far as labeling it as a Cult, you sound stupid to a educated person like myself and my wife. If this a Cult, then I guess anyone watching Dr. Phil or Opera who also buying his books or her book recommendations is probably in a Cult by your definition.

In reality, none of the information was new to me. You can find this information spread out in several books. What this offers is a all-in-one package. However, I can see how a closed minded person, who thinks they know it all, but want acknowledge their problems would find PSI info useless.

Finally, for $450 this is a great deal! If I knew my relationship could get to the level it is at now, I would have paid $5000 to get these results in 4 days.

Sincerely,

Happy Customers!!!

Apparently, are experiences were totally different. My wife and I loved it. We got out of it what we put in it. I can tell you that we are two very successful people. I have MBA and a good job. My wife is a successful lawyer. We both are great parents and we both have good relationships. We just needed help reconnecting in are relationship. We got this and more. In addition, I made a few more friends that I love hanging out with. As far as labeling it as a Cult, you sound stupid to a educated person like myself and my wife. If this a Cult, then I guess anyone watching Dr. Phil or Opera who also buying his books or her book recommendations is probably in a Cult by your definition.

In reality, none of the information was new to me. You can find this information spread out in several books. What this offers is a all-in-one package. However, I can see how a closed minded person, who thinks they know it all, but want acknowledge their problems would find PSI info useless.

Finally, for $450 this is a great deal! If I knew my relationship could get to the level it is at now, I would have paid $5000 to get these results in 4 days.

Sincerely,

Happy Customers!!!

Apparently, are experiences were totally different. My wife and I loved it. We got out of it what we put in it. I can tell you that we are two very successful people. I have MBA and a good job. My wife is a successful lawyer. We both are great parents and we both have good relationships. We just needed help reconnecting in are relationship. We got this and more. In addition, I made a few more friends that I love hanging out with. As far as labeling it as a Cult, you sound stupid to a educated person like myself and my wife. If this a Cult, then I guess anyone watching Dr. Phil or Opera who also buying his books or her book recommendations is probably in a Cult by your definition.

In reality, none of the information was new to me. You can find this information spread out in several books. What this offers is a all-in-one package. However, I can see how a closed minded person, who thinks they know it all, but want acknowledge their problems would find PSI info useless.

Finally, for $450 this is a great deal! If I knew my relationship could get to the level it is at now, I would have paid $5000 to get these results in 4 days.

Sincerely,

Happy Customers!!!

I lost my wife to this a couple of years ago. She attended the basic seminar and signed up for PSI7 at the end of that. She paid $3000.00 for PSI7, left and returned with a new attitude. Nothing was good enough for her. She wanted to live her life now as she called it. She was so excited about this new attitude that the only ones who would tolerate her were the people in her group. She would stay up nights checking her email from her PSI group as they started a group on Yahoo. She left within a few weeks of coming back from PSI7 and divorced me. She also signed up for a 9 day Leadership program, which costs $4000.00, but because she couldn't get the funds she had to put that plan on hold.

I learned she started a relationship with a man while at the ranch. She told me later they do an exercise called the sharing. They apparently stand in a circle and you stare into the eyes of someone of the opposite sex by candlelight. They tell one another that they either would, or would not, like to have an intimate relationship with each other. Human beings being what they are of course something could happen and I guess it did with my wife. I even heard sex acts occur behind the barn during the barn dance. According to what I've read here and other places they are partnered with someone else and their buddy has them dress in sexy clothing for the dance and other exercises. I even remember her telling me they had them doing yard work in bikini's' and work gloves. She tells me loved it; that it showed her something about herself that she didn't realize before. I thought she was out of her mind.

When she left she started seeing a man she met at the ranch. They were recruiting their families and friends. Most of our friends thought she was nuts. She ruined her finances, relationships with her family and once you could say she saw the light she asked me to take her back. Of course I don't see it working anymore and told her as such. Too much drama for me.

I am sorry about your boyfriend but I fear that once he returns to you he won't be the same. He'll try to recruit you and use the excuse if you really love me you'll go. He'll even try using the excuse that you'll really see how much he loves you if you go. I know, that makes no sense to me either but that's what my wife said to me.

I hope things work out for you but be prepared to loose him because he will throw you to the side if you don't see things his way or go to this crap. I saw this when my wife recruited her friend to take the basic. The friend spent just as much money, came back and left her husband and her children (which still surprises the hell out of me). She's still heavily into PSI and has spent (this is rumor of course) over $12000.00 on this and is deep in debt.

d**n, I reread this and I still can't believe it. I guess you don't realize someone you love could destroy themselves with this and you're the only one to see it. The only way to realize it is to live it.

If I had to offer you some advice; please, whatever you do don't go. There is just too much evidence out there to discount those for PSI or Large Group Awareness Training programs. Someone asked me how my wife could be that stupid and at first I thought the same thing. I learned that it's not a matter of intelligence, because some of these people are very smart, but they are looking for something in their lives that they feel they are lacking. And they are told you need to recruit the ones close to you so that they also can understand how you feel. They also tell them if you won't go you are holding them back so you need to leave them behind.

Good luck and please be careful.