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Complaint Review: Red Modern Furniture - Nationwide

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  • Reported By: Carl — Scottsdale Arizona
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  • Red Modern Furniture 201 E Camelback Rd, Phoenix, AZ Nationwide USA

Red Modern Furniture Jonathan Wayne Red Fraudulent statements price fixing unjust enrichment Phoenix Arizona Nationwide

*Consumer Comment: Red Modern

*General Comment: They're Right! A COMICAL Report

*General Comment: Comical Report

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***Includes All Correction as requested by the President of Red Modern Furniture, Robin (Last Name Omitted). Please read my listing for Robin's correction encapsulated with * after my statement.

So I learned my lesson the hard way.

These chairs came with an estate I purchased in Colorado for $2,900,000. It wasn't until a friend came to visit and said they might be worth a little money that I thought they were interesting. So I brought four of them to my home in Scottsdale to see what a little research would turn up. The manufacture (Mariani Italy) is highly desirable but couldn't find the exact chair. So I went to Red a swanky retailer of mid century furniture in Phoenix. Spoke to Robin (Manager) and she said " oh yes I know that chair"; but when I asked what they were worth she said "Since I'm a certified appraiser I'll have to charge you $225 •"ALL OF MY APPRAISALS BEGIN AT $150.."• (Robin of Red Modern Furniture in a text message dated 1/17/14 ) a valuation. So I asked if she would be interested in buying them. Long story short she said she could pay a maximum of $700 for the four chairs and she'd make a few hundred dollars at most. When I said " I think I'll check with a couple other dealers " she replied "Don't bother we all work together and they'll know I want them". Sure enough I went to a couple similar midcentury dealers and they wouldn't even make an offer. 

Well I agreed to a price of $745 based on our conversation and Robin's disclosure that they would only make a few hundred dollars. 

What I discovered next resulted in a two month research project of the industry and Red Modern Furniture. 

I'm best described as a serial entrepreneur. Having developed more than a dozen businesses many of which are still thriving enterprises. Simply put, I have a relentless desire to dive deep into any industry that peaks my interest. 

Are you wondering what triggered my two month investigation costing thousands of dollars, just so I could develop a clear understanding of the industry and the company that I sold some old chairs?

I hope you're sitting down- 
Red Modern Furniture listed the chairs they bought from me for $745 (after saying they'd make a few hundred dollars ) on the internet (1stdibs.com) for $5800.00.

Last time I checked a few hindered is really close to THREE hundred not FIVE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS

I bet I'm not the first only one "seeing red" after dealing with this broker of mid century furniture. 

Yep, lesson learned... The hard way. I'm just glad I didn't buy anything from them.

Any way they've since sold the set of four.• (That was wrong they are still for sale) • (when I checked a week ago I was unable to locate" the listing on the website. However Robin told they are still for sale and I verified they are listed for $5800. 

(Sorry to Robin and Red for the mistake. My intention is to give an accurate account with regard to all aspects of my listing.)

Anyway I have only one left in good vintage mid century condition. That's the condition Robin said she would give if I bought an appraisal. Kind of strange how they have the chairs list as a much higher condition rating online. Maybe an honest mistake or she hired a different appraiser for the company 'a listing.

Warning!! Don't flag this listing. Doing so is interfering with my right to conduct commerce. The listing is in compliance with craigslist.org and corrections noted by the president of Red Modern Furniture have been included. The content and reference to my transaction is part of the history of the chair and helps a potential buyer arrive at a fair selling price. 

Please contact me if you feel the facts in my listing are mistaken. 

A full transcript of my correspondence with the company is available so you know that I am truthful in my account of the transaction. 

Tags Red Modern Furniture mid century furniture Robin at Red 1stdibs.com

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#3 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: dharding - (Canada)

POSTED: Tuesday, August 02, 2016

Yikes...that's the problem with open forums like this. A supposedly sophisticated businessman makes a deal to sell chairs and gets upset because the buyer lists them for a lot more. Get real. Dealers provide a valuable service on both sides of a transaction. They give the seller an opportunity to unload unwanted merchandize. They give the buyer an opportunity to buy soimething desirable. Both transactions are completed through price negotiation. That is free enterprise. Your ridiculous complaint is an indication that your extensive business experience is mostly in your head.

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They're Right! A COMICAL Report

AUTHOR: Cap'tFlannagan - (United States of America)

POSTED: Saturday, January 16, 2016

Ok, so I came across this while coincidentally, doing research on some chairs.  First, I have to say that the previous comment by Phoenix-Native is all that you need to hear regarding this ridiculous poster. I am only commenting to further emphasize how asinine this 'report' really is. I live in Phoenix, not too far from the Red Modern showroom. I am a layman in regards to vintage furniture, however I do have an obsessive interest and passion for mid century furniture. In my travels, I have come across some incredible deals on amazing furniture, so naturally I have contacted Red to see if they'd be interested in purchasing my finds. That's as far as my connection to this company goes. I will admit, I haven't sold anything to them because we haven't come to an agreeable price. That is because I did my research, and I felt I could get more for the pieces through other avenues. That being said, I can confidently call BS! on this poster.  La de fricken da! You bought a $2.9M "estate"! If that were true, why are you so hung up on what you feel you 'lost' in this deal?? You state that you're a "serial entrepreneur" and have "developed more than a dozen businesses many of which are still thriving enterprises". If this is truly the case, then you should have at least enough business savvy to understand all of the aspects that go in to selling a product. Especially if you initiated a "two month investigation costing thousands of dollars". (So you spent thousands of dollars to find out why you didn't get thousands of dollars for your used chairs? Yeah, that's the mark of a smart business man, Carl) Is it beyond your understanding that to take a USED product, re-condition it to absolute standards, store it for who knows how long until it sells (at least 2 months at the point of this posting), and then ship it to possibly the farthest reaches (i.e. Dubai or Japan), will be built in to the selling price?  Prior to your "investigation" did you at any point look at the comparable prices of the other Mariani chairs that were for sale? You admit they are "highly desireable". (I just did a simple Google image search for 'Mariani chairs', and two years later, these chairs, the 'Tucroma', populates 7x in the first 10 images, and the prices are from $500 - ebay to $2000 - 1st Dibs, a piece). Any time I find a piece, I look at what the brand, style, and demand is for similar pieces. This seems like common sense to me, but hey, maybe you were dealing with your estate, or many business ventures.  I surely hope that in your research you looked in to (your reference) 1st Dibs, and what most of the rest of us have already figured out. 1st Dibs is a site for a very specific clientele of designers and folks of which money is no object. No one should ever base pricing on what 1st Dibs says. Based upon your referencing this in your report above, AFTER your supposed research, I can only assume you wasted those "two months and thousands of dollars". As to your continuity in this report, I am at a loss. This is a very difficult post to understand. Why did you bring in Craigslist.org? Why are you adamant that you are helping "a potential buyer arrive at a fair selling price"? Any potential buyer from Red isn't going to care about your whining, just that they get a beautiful product for the price that they are willing to spend. Believe me, I wish that I could get 1st Dibs prices for all the stuff I find. But I don't have the name, credibility, following, or reconditioning ability that Red or others dealers of their caliber have. But I don't whine about it on Ripoff Report. I take what I can get when I can get it. And I don't go home to a "$2.9M estate" to manage my many "business ventures."

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#1 General Comment

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AUTHOR: Phoenix Native - (USA)

POSTED: Saturday, October 17, 2015

So you are mad that Red Modern is attempting to turn a profit?  You agreed to sell a used set of chairs for $750, that is the beginning and the end of the transaction as far as I am concerned.  Once you got paid, it is none of your business what the chairs sell for.  If for some reason they can not unload you chairs, do you still share some responisbility in their loss?  Would you somehow owe them money if the chairs did not sell?  I'm going to venture on a pretty strong limb and assume you wouldn't care.  

I have no affiliation with Red Modern, but I am in the industry.  Red has an extremely small unqiue clientelle that they share with nobody else in Arizona.  I can tell you with confidence that they are about the only furniture dealer that can command those types of prices on essentially used furniture.  Short of selling the chairs yourself, you received as much as you could get for the chairs unless you had connections outside the state, California or the East Coast.

Its unfortunate that you filed such an uneducated and ridiculous report.

   

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