Saratoga University School of Law RIP-OFF ..DEAN Dr. Michael Narkin proceeded to bait and Switch us to their Non Bar program

im just reading all of the comments going back and forth. And as a person that is not involved wither way, I can honestly tell that this is the person "NARKIN" writing this letter.

why?

He makes sure to give the salutation DR. Narkin when everyone else is calling him just Narkin.  And his overinflation of how so many happy students have graduated

cant you list them: and have us verify them personlly?

or would you go as far as to create 20 to 30 fake email accounts to  prove your point?

You really seem like a scary person to deal with.  I feel so sorry for people that have had anything to do with you.  How do you look at yourself in the mirror everyday and say to yourself what your doing is okay?

True Lawyers have had a history of being called RATS, but jeez...  Do you really have to earn your money that way?  Its only a matter of time, when it all catches up and your unable to cheat another student out of there hard earned money...

SHAME  :(

It's offical USPIS San francisco division is investigating Michel Narkin of Mail Fraud as of June 7th 2005!

We got our notice today! If you were a victim please follow this case on teh interent at

https://www.notify.usdoj.gov/index.jsp;jsessionid=619EE6A82AAD07943BE33619CAE3871B you need a vin number and password, you would have received a letter if you were a victim!!!

Hopefully they will arrest him!!!

See our Yahoo Message Group on saratoga university school of Law please join it!!! i know they do not allow links on rip off report but please look up saratoga university..

Finally perhaps we will get some justice. Received a package from the postal inspector in San Francisco who is investigating this crook. I provided him with all information including the totally fabricated list of ABA approved schools that supposidly had an agreement with Saratoga.

If you haven't heard from the postal inspector file a complaint with them. As they say the more the merrier.

Found some more info on Narkin's Son Brendan, in reference to his postings against my postings on the ripp off report. I actually called him and spoke to him, and he defended his Dad, poor kid, actually believes his Dad, and his Dad actually lied to his kid about me telling him that I attended my first year of law school with him, I just did not do my homework, and I got turned down by the California bar to take my Baby Bar exam.

That was funny, as I never ever attended any school as when I sent my materials back (50 Pages of Paper) to him for a refund, because he never answered my questions nor emails nor phone calls and I finally got mad after the first time he did the same thing and did not out me into the Bar program, and I begged him for over a year to do so.

When I called to complain to the State they told him to put me in the program or refund my money as I was within the lesson not completed pro ration which meant I did not even do the first lesson so I was entitled to a refund.

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Brendan Quinn-Narkin, Certified Flight Instructor, Commercial Pilot
(408) 297-4233 or (408) 858-7405
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As one of my primary students you will fly through San Francisco's class B airspace, land at congested airports, engage in extensive instrument training, and study NTSB accident reports, in order to gain a better understand of the factors that lead to accidents and how to minimize your risk. If you are interested in having a lot of fun, while gaining experience that will prove to be invaluable in the real world, I have a program designed for you.

I attended Saratoga University from 1999 through 2003. I graduated with my J.D. this past summer. Dr. Narkin always did what the university catolog stated. I never had a problem with the school or Dr. Narkin. I wanted a low cost legal education and that is what I got! The only complaint I ever had with the school is how cheap my diploma looks. No matter how cheap the diploma looks, I earned it! Thanks Dr. M. Narkin for affording me a low cost way of continuing my education.

CA Bar Rules ...I suspect that they had degrees from colleges that the CA bar accepts, and that they read all the rules up front. I have no idea of the status of Trinty College and University, but rightly or wrongly some have reported it as a degree mill(?).

However, California is a pre-registration state, and you have a responsibility to register with the bar yourself. The law school can't do it for you. There is a significant risk that your undergraduate transcript will be rejected if it was from an unacreditted college, and any study that you did before registration has to be redone.

These rules stand apart from anything that Saratoga U did or didn't do, and they can't really advise you on whether the bar will accept you. They would certainly be right if they said that they could only check your transcript to see if you had 60 credits, and could not evaluate the college itself. But, if they take a year's fees in advance, and somehow circumvent the refund rules (?), then if the bar reject you that money is history. This is undoubtedly a serious trap for the unwary.

As for qualifying to sit the bar in AZ by getting an ABA LLM, I think that you can possibly do that.

All I can say to any prospective student is to be very aware of these rules up front, and note that if you are not sure if you have the prerequisites then you are taking a gamble. I would also avoid those law schools where the staff have adverse bar disciplinary records, where there have been lots of complaints filed against them, or where there is a pending lawsuit against them (that last one is another law school, not Saratoga). Also look up the bar pass rates.

I have done some research of this kind myself on the various CA distance learning law schools, and the ones that come up looking good so far on all counts are NWCU and Taft, albeit the latter is far more expensive. NWCU, on the other hand, costs only about the same as Saratoga. Some other law schools that have had far more publicity don't look so good, to say the least, but these two have highish pass rates, are run by attorneys in good standing, and aren't in court with their former students. I'm not aware of any complaints against them, although I'm not sure how to definitively check(?).

I am a patent agent, so getting admitted by the bar in any state would make me a patent attorney if I sumitted a certificate of good standing. The scope of the licence is the same. I have a foreign undergraduate degree, which was accepted by the PTO, so I imagine it would be accepted in CA. I would be stuck with having to prominently point out that I am not admitted in MD, which I don't have to do now as a 'mere' patent agent. Also, although these law schools are relatively cheap, it is still a lot of money. So, for right now, I am still not a law student, although I have spent a lot of time investigating this subject.

Right it was a non Accredited College, NARKIN Claims I had Fake Transcripts...

And if you read NARKINS Claims, I do not need a college degree anyway. That's for the original Non Bar program, that he tries to fool you into, thinking you can by pass the system, by going to take the bar examine in Arizona after you take an online tax course in LLM, which costs $32000...what a joke...

Then when I demanded my money back, after I personally called the schools he put on the list that say they accept students from his law school and they said they never heard of him, I called the state.

They told him, (The director ordered him to refund me or lose his license). He refused in traditional Lawyer style claiming all kinds of loopholes to Mike, the Director.

I was nice enough to tell Narkin that if he put me in the bar program that I wanted to be in at first, everything would have been fine.

He agreed, made me sign a piece of paper that said I agreed not to ask for a refund again, but they agreed to provide the schooling.

I sent in my Transcripts, with phone number to verify, and he replied after he was asked, that they were in order and ok...

I will be posting proof that he did not submit the paperwork to the California bar, as they never received any.

But he was ok with taking my money then wasn't he...

He should have refunded it then, as not 1 lesson was completed.

It has now been 1 year, and no refund and no school, on Monday I'm calling the District attorney in San Jose and filing a complaint, and I already had my local law enforcing come over and take my complaint, and they did state it was a definitely theft now, as I did not receive any instruction nor refund of any kind.

So he is on his way to trouble, and I'm finally glad as my law enforcing is calling and faxing the complaint to the police where he is currently residing.

Who ever says they had a great time at Saratoga, is a fake student Narkin made up.

I will keep posting complaints I receive via our complaint web site.

Anyone needing more info please contact me.

Funny how people seem to stick up for Narkin, right after I make a complaint..hmmm...could it be NARKIN? I think so..

I think you better quit using people's names, without there permission..

Something must be wrong there. I had troubles also

When I switched Schools, I could not get my Transcripts.

This Dean Narkin is not a nice man at all, he ignores my phones calls, he never calls back, and I have left many messages for him.

I then checked with the California Better Business Bureau and they were over 20 complaints against this school.

Do not believe the other students that appear to stick up for the school; they have to be Fake students as Mike says.

Just email me and I will give more information.

Summer

Saratoga Univ is an approved school under California law. It is recognized by the Bar. Just go to Calbar.org and look it up under LINKS.

I am a graduate with both a BSL and JD degree from Saratoga. I have sat twice for the full California Bar exam.

This is all a bunch of hooey from people who have no business studying law, in my opinion.

My email is knox@krpr.com.

Saratoga Univ is an approved school under California law. It is recognized by the Bar. Just go to Calbar.org and look it up under LINKS.

I am a graduate with both a BSL and JD degree from Saratoga. I have sat twice for the full California Bar exam.

This is all a bunch of hooey from people who have no business studying law, in my opinion.

My email is knox@krpr.com.

Saratoga Univ is an approved school under California law. It is recognized by the Bar. Just go to Calbar.org and look it up under LINKS.

I am a graduate with both a BSL and JD degree from Saratoga. I have sat twice for the full California Bar exam.

This is all a bunch of hooey from people who have no business studying law, in my opinion.

My email is knox@krpr.com.

Saratoga Univ is an approved school under California law. It is recognized by the Bar. Just go to Calbar.org and look it up under LINKS.

I am a graduate with both a BSL and JD degree from Saratoga. I have sat twice for the full California Bar exam.

This is all a bunch of hooey from people who have no business studying law, in my opinion.

My email is knox@krpr.com.

On the one hand, it appears that the person who originally filed the complaint had, by his own admission, a degree from an unacreditted college. Therefore, under CA bar rules, Saratoga U had no choice but to do what they did, and the original complaint is without merit. Study pursued without first qualifying to register with the CA bar does not count, and that is not the fault of Saratoga U.

On the other hand, it is true that Michael Narkin resigned from the bar pending investigation. Anyone can retrieve that info from the CA Bar website. There are other CA distance learning law schools, and many of them are run by lawyers in good standing, although Saratoga is not the only one run by someone with an adverse disciplinary record.

I recommend that prospective students should check the disciplinary records of all the academic staff as far as possible, as well as the bar stats.

Yes Phillip is a Real Student, I agreed to post his story here.

I did in fact quote him in the caps and did spell the word the wrong. The non caps part was Phillips direct email to NARKIN the THIEF.

BRENDAN is the one who is not real, let's see you post your Address and Phone number BRENDAN aka (NARKIN).

You do not have any satisfied students, and come to think of it I bet you fake letters to the license bureau.

Do not worry NARKIN, you are going down, wait till the NEWLY Designed web site is finished; it will post all of your miss deeds. Thanks to lexis Nexis, and The License Bureau, and the BBB, and the California Bar we will be posting all of the complaints made against you.

And will also be posting your Resignation from the California BAR.

Oh and by the way, since I completed one year of School at Saratoga, have NARKIN or yourself, post my homework in my handwriting...should be plenty of the in it right?

And tell him to send me my transcripts for that year!!

And you never sent my Transcripts to the California BAR you idiot, I have letter from the BAR stating that you never sent them to them so they could not register me you Jerk.

ANYONE DO YOURSELF A FAVOR CALL THE DA's OFFICE AND TEH BBB, AND TEH LICENSE BUREAU, AND THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO DO, ALL HE HAS IS FAKE STUDENTS..HAHAHA...

Nice try, Michael. But your spelling gives it away. Who else spells the word the "teh"? You also spelled the word recently "revcently" The word going is spelled "goone." Your a joke, Michael. Go back to grammer school and stop trying to mislead people.

By the way, I am not Dr. Narkin. My name is Brendan Quinn. I know Dr. Narkin and have worked with Saratoga University.

There are hundreds of satisfied students currently attending Saratoga University. In addition, many people have graduated from the school, passed the Bar exam and are now earning a very respectible income.

Michael Walker, from Wisconson, did, in fact complete one year at Saratoga University. The only reason that Mr. Walker stoped attending Saratoga University was that the California State Bar Association told him that his trancrips were bogus, and that he would therefor be unable to take the Bar exam.

I have worked with Saratoga University and I know Mr. Narkin personally. I know him to be an honest, intelligent, helpfull and hard working man who is dedicated to providing his student's with high-quality education.

There are hundreds of satisfied student currently attending Saratoga University. In addition, there are many people who have graduated from Saratoga University, passed the bar exam, become licenced attorneys, and are now earning a great income.

Michael Walker took a bet that he would be able to produce bogus transcrips and get away with it. He lost the bet and is now bitter. The lesson that he should have taken away from this is that being dishonest does not pay off, in the long run. Unfortunatley, Mr. Walker has not learned his lesson and is now attempting to mislead people. In so doing, Mr. Walker only makes himself look foolish.

I would encourage people who are interested in knowing the truth about Saratoga University to talk to honest, intelligent students, such as Kelly Allin, who wrote the response entitled "Saratoga University is Great."

I too went "finished" my first year. I write to Mr. Narkin, but do not ever receive any response now (and, I asked about starting my second year courses and about the ABA schools he has contact with). Maybe this is why I never hear back (which sounds like maybe just as well).

But, what do I do now couple of grand later, one year down, and...?

Dr. Narkin,

I called and discussed the finals you claim were lost several times and have requested my transcripts many times but you failed to produce them. I also revcently sent you $50.00 as a fee for you to send me the finals as you told me that I should retake the finals in order for me to recieve my college credits. I think it's goone too far for you to give anymore excuses. I need the college credits I earned. Please send the college credit information to Mendocino College right away. I do aplogise but after seeing the web site made describing the school as a hoax, I have no other choice but to file a complaint and show the reciepts of the money I paid to the BAR. I don't want this to turn into a sour situtation and would like to see htis matter resolved in a benificial way for everyone. If you cannot take care of this then please return the money I said you for the courses right away. I will wait one more week.

FOLLOW UP DR. NARKIN NEVER DID GIVE ME MY TRANSCRIPTS, OTHERS HAVE COMPLAIND OF TEH SAME THING, MAYBE HE LOSSED HIS CALIFORNIA LICENSE TO GIVE OUT DEGRESS. I KNOW THE POST ON HERE THAT THESE FAKE STUDENETS HE MAKES UP ARE FALSE AS I HAE TALKED TO MANY OTHERS ALL HAD PROBLEMS NO ONE HAS REALLY SAID ANYTHING GOOD, IT IS PRETTY DIRTY FOR HIM TO FAKE STUDENTS NAMES RTELLING HOW GREAT TEH SCHOOL IS, FOR YOUR OWN GOOD DO NOT GIVE HIM YOUR MONEY. CONTACT TEH STATE OF CALIFORNIS FIRST ON THE MANY COMPLAINTS HE HAS.

NARKIN is faking these students, anyone can email me and I will forward REAL PEOPLE's Email addreses for you to email and see for yourself the real complaints...

You better get teh story straight..

1. we never completed any 1 year of law school with Saratoga, have Narkin produce my HomeWork and my tests, you will see that there are none..

2. He kept all of my 1st year money, and school materials.

3. I asked for refund from the DA, at that time they did not think it was criminal, however NERKIN did have some activity and was advised he should refund others that they had some suspecians on. and my stupid mistake of giving NARKIN a second chance..

4. Now I'm going to ask that they file charges againest him, sine it has been over 1 year now and he has not sent my material sthat are fully paid for, and also has not provided any services to me like SCHOOLING. I'm sure that is now againest the law. I will be calling the DA and re filing a complaint.

5. My Trascripts were not false, that's NARKINS Excuse to the BBB, my transcripts are on file with Trininty College and University.

6. I have many complaints on NARKIN stealing people's money, and also not giving them their transcripts from his School.


Also NARKIN had to Resign from the California BAR with charges pending..it's public record just look it up...apprantly he did something very serious...

Then he starts up a Law School ??? So far I have received many complains against him from very honest and har working people that gave him their money, and he has really ruined teh trust, he will end up in jail soon, if he keeps doing what he does.

I have other people's names, anyone call up Buerau for Private Post Secondary Education in California, and ask how many complains are filed against SARATOGA UNIVERISITY when I called it was 18, I'm sure there are more compaints.

If you have a complaint and you think you have been not trated righ by Saratoga call San Jose District Attorney Yen Dang, phone number (408) 792-2818.

Michael, from Wisconsin completed 1 year at Saratoga University. Saratoga University accepted that his transcrips were valid (they are not in the business of investigating the validity of transcript, and accept that if a student provides tracscrips, that they are valid).

When Michael applied for the 1st year law exam with the California state Bar Assiosiation, it was discovered by the bar that his original transcrips were forged. The Bar would not allow Michael to take the exam and he then demanded a refund from Saratoga University.

Saratoga University refused to give him a refund, as he had completed a year of study. Michael then took his complaint to the district attorney's office, the Attorney General's office and the Postmaster General. Each and every agency dismissed Michael's claim and sided with Saratoga University.

I have been attending Saratoga University for 6 months, and I am very pleased with the program. The materials are substantive, and the work is very demanding, yet the program is flexible enough to work with my schedule. I can tell by reading the poor grammar of some who complain about the program they do not belong in law school. Certainly, my grammar is not perfect, and this (among other reasons) is why I am attending Saratoga University and not Harvard or Stanford. Saratoga University has a demanding program, and to be successful you must have an excellent prior education, while possessing unwavering diligence. This school is not for everyone, but it is the best for me, and I'll stay the course until I receive my degree. I find Dr. Narkin to be knowledgeable, helpful, and very clear about what he is providing, and what he is not providing. I can ask for nothing more.

If you do some research (as I have) you will find BAR statistics at the web locations of other schools. In these statistics, you will find that students from Saratoga University are taking and passing both the Baby BAR, and the CA BAR. This is objective evidence that the school is doing an effective job, and using relevant/meaningful materials for curriculum.

I have looked at many law schools, and I find that Saratoga University is the best fit for my situation. Yet, there are many other good schools out there, so by all means do the research before you commit your time and money.

Good Luck,

Sincerely,

I have been attending Saratoga University for 6 months, and I am very pleased with the program. The materials are substantive, and the work is very demanding, yet the program is flexible enough to work with my schedule. I can tell by reading the poor grammar of some who complain about the program they do not belong in law school. Certainly, my grammar is not perfect, and this (among other reasons) is why I am attending Saratoga University and not Harvard or Stanford. Saratoga University has a demanding program, and to be successful you must have an excellent prior education, while possessing unwavering diligence. This school is not for everyone, but it is the best for me, and I'll stay the course until I receive my degree. I find Dr. Narkin to be knowledgeable, helpful, and very clear about what he is providing, and what he is not providing. I can ask for nothing more.

If you do some research (as I have) you will find BAR statistics at the web locations of other schools. In these statistics, you will find that students from Saratoga University are taking and passing both the Baby BAR, and the CA BAR. This is objective evidence that the school is doing an effective job, and using relevant/meaningful materials for curriculum.

I have looked at many law schools, and I find that Saratoga University is the best fit for my situation. Yet, there are many other good schools out there, so by all means do the research before you commit your time and money.

Good Luck,

Sincerely,

I have been attending Saratoga University for 6 months, and I am very pleased with the program. The materials are substantive, and the work is very demanding, yet the program is flexible enough to work with my schedule. I can tell by reading the poor grammar of some who complain about the program they do not belong in law school. Certainly, my grammar is not perfect, and this (among other reasons) is why I am attending Saratoga University and not Harvard or Stanford. Saratoga University has a demanding program, and to be successful you must have an excellent prior education, while possessing unwavering diligence. This school is not for everyone, but it is the best for me, and I'll stay the course until I receive my degree. I find Dr. Narkin to be knowledgeable, helpful, and very clear about what he is providing, and what he is not providing. I can ask for nothing more.

If you do some research (as I have) you will find BAR statistics at the web locations of other schools. In these statistics, you will find that students from Saratoga University are taking and passing both the Baby BAR, and the CA BAR. This is objective evidence that the school is doing an effective job, and using relevant/meaningful materials for curriculum.

I have looked at many law schools, and I find that Saratoga University is the best fit for my situation. Yet, there are many other good schools out there, so by all means do the research before you commit your time and money.

Good Luck,

Sincerely,

NARKIN ripped me off to!!!

I'm glad that I found this Ripp Off site, I thought I was the only one that got ripped by Narkin!

I paid for the whole year in his requested cash upp front. When I received the materials, I realized I was scammed, and I immeditly sent them back, as required by the State of California.

He was suppose to refund me legally in 30 days, well needless to say I did not get my money.

I am now going to file a complaint with the San Jose District Attorney's Office. That is who you have to contact if you want to get anywhere with this Scammer.

At least I'm not afraid to put my REAL Name to my complaint, funny how you just happened to post right after I poined NARKIN to this complaint. Just shows it's you NARKIN Answering the complaint. Faking names as always..
Professors, what professors?, you mean the on's you use to list on your web site, till I called them personally, and found out one never heard of you, yet you put his name as one of your professors for the School??, and the other one, wrote an immediate letter of resignaion to the State of California, and she turned tail and ran...Wonder Why??? You also hav been Resigned from the Calfornia bar with charges pending. I soon will find hat out and post it on our warning site about you..Maybe that is something to do with why you kept my $2600 and never bothered to teach a thing?, and alos kept the so called 50 copied pages of school material??? You are nothing more than a theif, and a COWARD. Oh, and the state does not reconize complaints?, is that why, if you don't pay me back, they are not renewing your license to have a school???
So folks, don't sign up, he won't have a school to teach you, pick another Law School, you have been warned.

I am a fourth year "bar" student at Saratoga. In six weeks I will sit for the California Bar Exam.

This school isn't a ripoff -- not unless you don't know how to study and learn independently at the graduate school level. The school provides with you a course synposis and tape/book assignments. The same texts used in major school and on tape the best legal professors in the country. If you complete the course, you will have a legal education and can sit for the bar. But don't expect a Harvard law degree for $10,000. California is the only state permitting distance learning law schools, successfully for years. This isn't grade school and a more traditional legal education is probably better for most people. But you get what you pay for. And I will sit for the bar after only spending $14,000 on fees and materials over the years. That is a bargain, but it is no picnic getting there. Upon graduation, I will display my Juris Doctor degree with pride. Man, I earned it!

Read the catalog before you jump. Dr. Narkin explains all the downsides before he accepts any student.

By the way, the state doesn't acknowledge complaints against schools, and neither does the Bar acknowledge pending cases or cases that did not result in discipline. Your facts are suspect.

I SIGNED UP WITH SARATOGA, ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER IT WAS A SCAM. BE WARNED. Narkin only insists you pay him with cashiers checks, this way you cannot protect yourself. He also has you sign a form that states "That you request that you receive all course materials for the year" little do you know, that by signing this, he is not obligated to give you a refund. California law states that if you request that they send you all course materials you are entitle to, the school is not required to give you a refund. He maks false promises about being able to take the bar test in other states if you take his non bar program..for some reason he must have a bad rep with the California Bar haha. He will sign you up no matter what, even if you do not have a valid college degree, just so he gets your money, then tells you later you cannot complete the course as your degree is not valid, but he keeps your money.

He has 18 school comlaints againest his school with the State of California for not giving refunds by law, and also he resigned from the California Bar because they had peding charges againest him. They made him more or less resign. DO NOT ATTEND THIS LAW SHOOL. SEE THIS WEBSITE http://www.saratogau.com for more info.

CA correspondence law degrees are only good in California. In most states you must then wait 5 years after passing the CA bar to sit the local state bar, if you can take it atall.

Even to sit the CA bar you must pre-register within 90 days of registering for your degree, and you must take the FYSLX exam after your first year for subsequent years to count. Also, credit for non-bar study cannot be transferred, even if it means taking the same course over and paying over.

These are all bar rules and are rigidly applied by the CA state bar, so the law school cannot get around them.

As for the tuition materials being so thin on the ground, I will take that under advisement and probably study elsewhere.

Suggest you read De. Bear's Guide to Independent Colleges - Law Schools Section.
Suggest you contact Cal Bar Association and commission on post-secondary education in Sacto, California.

Best to you