SARATOGA UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW Ripoff Law school has 15 complaints in State of CA. for Fraud and Stealing Money SAN JOSE California

Found some more info on Narkin's Son Brendan, in reference to his postings against my postings on the ripp off report. I actually called him and spoke to him, and he defended his Dad, poor kid, actually believes his Dad, and his Dad actually lied to his kid about me telling him that I attended my first year of law school with him, I just did not do my homework, and I got turned down by the California bar to take my Baby Bar exam.

That was funny, as I never ever attended any school as when I sent my materials back (50 Pages of Paper) to him for a refund, because he never answered my questions nor emails nor phone calls and I finally got mad after the first time he did the same thing and did not out me into the Bar program, and I begged him for over a year to do so.

When I called to complain to the State they told him to put me in the program or refund my money as I was within the lesson not completed pro ration which meant I did not even do the first lesson so I was entitled to a refund.

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Brendan Quinn-Narkin, Certified Flight Instructor, Commercial Pilot
(408) 297-4233 or (408) 858-7405
I offer private and commercial flight training, as well as high performance/complex endorsements and flight reviews. I challenge my students beyond the FAA requirements, in order to maximize their skills, confidence and safety.

As one of my primary students you will fly through San Francisco's class B airspace, land at congested airports, engage in extensive instrument training, and study NTSB accident reports, in order to gain a better understand of the factors that lead to accidents and how to minimize your risk. If you are interested in having a lot of fun, while gaining experience that will prove to be invaluable in the real world, I have a program designed for you.

Well we found out that Brendan is, Brendan is Michael H. Narkin's Son, and a partner in his crimes oviously...To bad Brendan you mentioned you were also a pilot as I found you listed in the Reid-Hillview Airport Listings for Flight Instructors...

Amazing, sticking up for Daddy, and also we have report's of you picking up his mail in Santa Clara County for him living in Eugene Oregon...

Well tell him, (Daddy) that he is about to be a major Story in a major Newspaper in San Jose called Mecury news, or that is the owners of the paper..

And you know have been pinned by my local FBI thru the connections. Good Work...

Yup Brendan Quinn-Narkin... is Dean Narkin's Son, well we know Daddy is dropping the school, but also tell him Investigator's were at his old house the other day wondering where he was..

As too many people called and complained. He is now going to get sued by all of us in a class action lawsuit. In Oregon...

Look's like I put Saratoga out of business for good!!!

Well we found out that Brendan is, Brendan is Michael H. Narkin's Son, and a partner in his crimes oviously...To bad Brendan you mentioned you were also a pilot as I found you listed in the Reid-Hillview Airport Listings for Flight Instructors...

Amazing, sticking up for Daddy, and also we have report's of you picking up his mail in Santa Clara County for him living in Eugene Oregon...

Well tell him, (Daddy) that he is about to be a major Story in a major Newspaper in San Jose called Mecury news, or that is the owners of the paper..

And you know have been pinned by my local FBI thru the connections. Good Work...

Yup Brendan Quinn-Narkin... is Dean Narkin's Son, well we know Daddy is dropping the school, but also tell him Investigator's were at his old house the other day wondering where he was..

As too many people called and complained. He is now going to get sued by all of us in a class action lawsuit. In Oregon...

Look's like I put Saratoga out of business for good!!!

Well we found out that Brendan is, Brendan is Michael H. Narkin's Son, and a partner in his crimes oviously...To bad Brendan you mentioned you were also a pilot as I found you listed in the Reid-Hillview Airport Listings for Flight Instructors...

Amazing, sticking up for Daddy, and also we have report's of you picking up his mail in Santa Clara County for him living in Eugene Oregon...

Well tell him, (Daddy) that he is about to be a major Story in a major Newspaper in San Jose called Mecury news, or that is the owners of the paper..

And you know have been pinned by my local FBI thru the connections. Good Work...

Yup Brendan Quinn-Narkin... is Dean Narkin's Son, well we know Daddy is dropping the school, but also tell him Investigator's were at his old house the other day wondering where he was..

As too many people called and complained. He is now going to get sued by all of us in a class action lawsuit. In Oregon...

Look's like I put Saratoga out of business for good!!!

Well we found out that Brendan is, Brendan is Michael H. Narkin's Son, and a partner in his crimes oviously...To bad Brendan you mentioned you were also a pilot as I found you listed in the Reid-Hillview Airport Listings for Flight Instructors...

Amazing, sticking up for Daddy, and also we have report's of you picking up his mail in Santa Clara County for him living in Eugene Oregon...

Well tell him, (Daddy) that he is about to be a major Story in a major Newspaper in San Jose called Mecury news, or that is the owners of the paper..

And you know have been pinned by my local FBI thru the connections. Good Work...

Yup Brendan Quinn-Narkin... is Dean Narkin's Son, well we know Daddy is dropping the school, but also tell him Investigator's were at his old house the other day wondering where he was..

As too many people called and complained. He is now going to get sued by all of us in a class action lawsuit. In Oregon...

Look's like I put Saratoga out of business for good!!!

FROM THE COUNTY TAX RECORDS --

Buyer: NARKIN, MICHAEL (Individual(s)); NARKIN, SEBRINA
(Individual(s)), Tenants By Entireties

Buyer Mailing Address: 780 BLAIRWOOD CT, SAN JOSE, CA 95120
Seller: SPENCE, ELLEN R (Trustee/Conservator); ELLEN R SPENCE
REVOCABLE TRUST (Revocable Trust)

Property Address: 85391 CHEZEM RD, EUGENE, OR 97405

Sale Date: 10/10/2002
Recorded Date: 10/15/2002
Sale Price: $ 380,000 (Full Amount)

(916) 445-3427 BPPVE is body that licenses him

Michael from Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin. I'm not Phil nor am I faking anything. I have no beef with Mr. Narkin ANYMORE. I GOT MY TRANSCRIPTS AND DIPLOMIA. It took a little time and perseverance, but I got them. I'm just responding to others on this site and telling of my experance with Saratoga. Let me say again - I had some problems with Mr. Narkin. First, it was hard to get him on the phone or to return calls. Second, I felt I was givin a low grade on a test, I had a law school professor read the test and my answer, He too felt it was low. I wrote Mr. Narkin and requested that he reconsider the grade. I never heard from him about it.

OVERALL I GIVE SARATOGA UNIVERSITY A GRADE: 85

Phil, Quit trying to stick up for Narkin, your reasoning really is stupid, listen, and this guy did not have to really ever call the Dean of the School for Help huh?

For Pete's sake he's going to law school, I would think you would have to call a bunch of times...its school...

And then I like the fake party about some other professor seen his paper and thought his grade was low...So he went back to Narkin for a higher grade??

Give us all a Break!! you sound like the stupid disabled man that you are..nothing better to do..and trying to stick up for a man that rips off students...

I finished my finals at the end April. I called four five times before I got Dean Narkin personally on the phone. I needed 6 Transcripts and sent him the money for them. He said they would go out on Friday, (via over night mail which I sent him). They went out on Monday and I got them Tuesday. During the four years, I never really called Dean Narkin for help. When I did call he usually answered my questions. However, one request I did have, that he never responded to was for him to look over one of my finals that I thought I was given a low grade. I had a friend look over the test and my answers(he teaches law) he said that the grade was low.

All in all final grade 85

First of all, it is illegal, in violation of federal law (The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act; The Student Privacy Act). Second of all, it is extremely unprofessional and unbecoming of a lawyer (which I assume this Dr. Narkin person is). The only way that you could know anything about Mike's transcript is if someone from the school is discussing this information with outsiders.

Perhaps I should not get involved in this discussion, since I am not a member of the school's faculty or student body, but when I stumbled upon this website and noticed that there was actually a law school cited as a Rip Off, it caught my attention. As a person who has recently survived the process (and was fortunately NOT ripped off), I know what it is supposed to be and I can tell from Mike's description as well as by some other comments about this school under the category of "adult education" rip-offs that others have had very peculiar experiences dealing with that law school. It bothers me a great deal that law students are being treated this way because I know that becoming a lawyer is a hard-won dream and I find it utterly reprehensible that an individual or an institution can seriously interfere with the fulfillment of that dream. To me, this isn't your garden variety ripp-off - there are futures at stake.

Mike, I think that this place should be investigated. Maybe you should take your story to the media. If I were you, I would contact Wisconsin television stations and consumer groups.

Well that's were you are wrong Narkin, and we know that is who you are.

I have a letter from the California Bar that proves you did not even send in the Transcripts to them at all.

I will be posting that letter on the web site.

After you lied to everyone they believed you, but I'm refilling the complaint, I just spoke to Ms. Dang at the DA's office and she emailed me the complaint forms, this time it will prove you did not do your job and register me properly with the California Bar for School within 90 days of switching me to the Bar Program after I signed the papers with you.

And to let people know, a year went by after I found out that what Narkin says about you being able to take the bar in another state after you take a LLM degree from an ABA approved School is a bunch of garbage and lies.

These so called schools that Narkin says will accept his Students after they graduate from Saratoga have not even heard of Saratoga, and it was stated to me that they will not accept anyone that did not graduate from an ABA College.

That is why I insisted you switch me to the Bar Program, now I know why you try to bait and switch people into the non bar program. You try and stay away from the Bar program ASAP.

After you did and had me sign the non refund paper, you refused to allow me to even start the course. It was fully paid for, for 1 year, and I was not allowed to complete one assignment yet.

So if anyone want's the truth just go to the website http://www.saratogau.com I renewed the name for another year, and I will for many many more.

You must have me confused with someone else, Mike. Because I've never done anything to sabatoge your website.

Mr. Narkin told me that you had said something to the effect of "I'm becoming a pilot, so I'll be flying out to California to confront you." I was simply trying to be nice.

I have looked at you're website and I think it's unfortunate that you are trying to mislead people.

The fact is that you when the California Bar Assiosiation recieved your transcrips they found them to be bogus, and they informed you that you would be therefor unable to take the Bar Exam.

You then demanded a refund from Saratoga University and because you had been a student for more than a year they refused to grant you one.

Everyone who knows the facts of your case agrees that you are not entitled to a Refund.

There are tons of satisfied students who are currently enrolled at Saratoga University. There are also many people who have graduated from the school and passed the Bar Exam, the statistics can be found at the California Bar Assiociation's website.

Narkin never knew I was pilot, he ripped me off before I became a pilot. So you are full of it..

Now I see you keep stalking me, checking out my personal web site, I watch you log on to all of my web sites, I have your ip number even...thanks to our firewall that stopped your stupid terroist attack againest us..

That's the mistake you made, your dns lookup's on us were even followed. Criminal's always make mistakes eventually.

All I can say is what you did was against the law..so someone will be knockin on your door shortly. You will get yours in the end. You keep just giving us more info on you.

it's kinda funny.

The fact is, your buddy Narkin is a Theif, plain and simple.

And your just as sick as he is.

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To Sara,

Thanks Sara for the comforts, I'm glad for you at least you had your husband to help keep you alive, I'm the bread earner so it would be hard to attend law school and I would have to move also.

If you have any further help that would be great.

Hi Mike,

As you are from Wisconsin, you might be interested to know that in Wisconsin, you will be allowed to practice law without taking the Wisconsin bar exam if you attended a Wisconsin law school. I live in Minnesota and never intended to move to Wisconsin, so this special courtesy for Wisconin law students never touched me personally, but I have a couple of friends who transferred over to a Wisconsin law schools because they wanted to live in Wisconsin after law school and they liked the idea of escaping the dreaded bar (who can blame them!). It's just something for you to think about, since you are living in Wisconsin.

On that note, maybe what has happened to you with this distance learning program is really a blessing in disguise. Sounds like they got your money and you didn't get much of anything in return, HOWEVER, I doubt that the degree you would have earned from them would have been of very much use to you outside of California. A degree from an ABA accredited law school will enable you to sit for the bar exam in any state and it's also something that most law firms or public employers expect you to have. It is my understanding that there is not an ABA accredited distance learning program. I could be mistaken.

Law school is expensive, but if you attend a state university, rather than a private college (and here in the upper midwest, the private law schools have lower standards for admission than the state schools and are therefore more expensive and less reputable)you will find that the expense is not too outrageous - less than $12,000.00 a year in most cases. You can get low interest loans and find a pretty workable financial plan. I know that's more than what you paid for the distance learning program, but try not be scared of the sticker price - you quickly earn enough to pay it back and live comfortably after law school is over and you will be happy that you sacrifed a full-time job in order to attend law school. I was 26 years old when I started law school and I had to leave a lucrative full-time employment in order to do it. Somehow, my husband and I made it work. It can be done. I have never regretted it.

I totally feel your pain. I graduated last year and am only too happy to be done. If I had also had to deal with the confusion you are going through and the sense that I had been taken, I would have been up a tree. The first year is stressful enough. Good luck with everything!

Hey Mike, I'm not Dean Narkin. My name is Brendan, I'm a flight instructor in San Jose. I know Michael Narkin and have done some work for the school, so I know a lot about it. I was talking to Michael Narkin about you and he mentioned that you're a private pilot. .

Hey Mike, I'm not Dean Narkin. My name is Brendan, I'm a flight instructor in San Jose. I know Michael Narkin and have done some work for the school, so I know a lot about it. I was talking to Michael Narkin about you and he mentioned that you're a private pilot. .

Hey Mike, I'm not Dean Narkin. My name is Brendan, I'm a flight instructor in San Jose. I know Michael Narkin and have done some work for the school, so I know a lot about it. I was talking to Michael Narkin about you and he mentioned that you're a private pilot. .

Hey Mike, I'm not Dean Narkin. My name is Brendan, I'm a flight instructor in San Jose. I know Michael Narkin and have done some work for the school, so I know a lot about it. I was talking to Michael Narkin about you and he mentioned that you're a private pilot. .

Thanks for your support, the Brendan character above is actually the Dean of teh school making false comments.

He is a dirty person, I sent back the materials, never attended and never got a refund. I did contact teh state and they forwarede to California, who inturn forwarded it to the consumer protection office that deals with the licensing of th schools, and they told me to just sue them, they can do nothing.

That was a year ago, still no refund, so now I'm filing another complaint and see what they think now, a year later and still no school services or a refund.

I have a web site up about this school so hopefully they lose alot of money on prospective students. that way I'll get my two cents in.

This man was a Attorney and was Almost Disbard and had to resign to avoid it with charges pending.

Thanks for your support, the Brendan character above is actually the Dean of teh school making false comments.

He is a dirty person, I sent back the materials, never attended and never got a refund. I did contact teh state and they forwarede to California, who inturn forwarded it to the consumer protection office that deals with the licensing of th schools, and they told me to just sue them, they can do nothing.

That was a year ago, still no refund, so now I'm filing another complaint and see what they think now, a year later and still no school services or a refund.

I have a web site up about this school so hopefully they lose alot of money on prospective students. that way I'll get my two cents in.

This man was a Attorney and was Almost Disbard and had to resign to avoid it with charges pending.

Thanks for your support, the Brendan character above is actually the Dean of teh school making false comments.

He is a dirty person, I sent back the materials, never attended and never got a refund. I did contact teh state and they forwarede to California, who inturn forwarded it to the consumer protection office that deals with the licensing of th schools, and they told me to just sue them, they can do nothing.

That was a year ago, still no refund, so now I'm filing another complaint and see what they think now, a year later and still no school services or a refund.

I have a web site up about this school so hopefully they lose alot of money on prospective students. that way I'll get my two cents in.

This man was a Attorney and was Almost Disbard and had to resign to avoid it with charges pending.

Dear Sara,

Attending and graduating from a traditional law school is without a doubt the best way to go. Unfortuanaly there are a lot of people who work full time or simply can't afford the tuition at a traditional law school.

These people can still obtain a quality legal education through a distance law school which is approved by the Bar Assiocation, such as Saratoga University. You are not supposed to complete your first year aided by only light reading material and CDs.

There are also legal textbooks,homework assiangments and examinations. The Socratic method is the most effective method of developing critical thinking skills.

Although these types of critical questions are not asked in lecture, as is the case in a traditional law school, they are asked in the form written questions which are found in the homework assiagnments and examinations. Saratoga University is fully approved by the state of California and most of the student that I've talked to are very satisfied.

Mike from Wisconsin allready complained to state attorney general and the attorney general sided with Saratoga University.

I can not believe that you were supposed to complete your first year of law school aided by nothing more than some light reading material and some audio cds. I am a law school graduate and I assure you, your experience is not typical and you have definitely been ripped off. The first year of law school is more than simply reading cases - it also involves critical questioning from your professors (called the Socratic Method). In fact, this is how the bulk of your learning occurs. It would seem rather impossible for you to be able to benefit from this necessary learning technique without benefit of live lectures. You should report this to your state attorney general.

I can not believe that you were supposed to complete your first year of law school aided by nothing more than some light reading material and some audio cds. I am a law school graduate and I assure you, your experience is not typical and you have definitely been ripped off. The first year of law school is more than simply reading cases - it also involves critical questioning from your professors (called the Socratic Method). In fact, this is how the bulk of your learning occurs. It would seem rather impossible for you to be able to benefit from this necessary learning technique without benefit of live lectures. You should report this to your state attorney general.

I can not believe that you were supposed to complete your first year of law school aided by nothing more than some light reading material and some audio cds. I am a law school graduate and I assure you, your experience is not typical and you have definitely been ripped off. The first year of law school is more than simply reading cases - it also involves critical questioning from your professors (called the Socratic Method). In fact, this is how the bulk of your learning occurs. It would seem rather impossible for you to be able to benefit from this necessary learning technique without benefit of live lectures. You should report this to your state attorney general.

I can not believe that you were supposed to complete your first year of law school aided by nothing more than some light reading material and some audio cds. I am a law school graduate and I assure you, your experience is not typical and you have definitely been ripped off. The first year of law school is more than simply reading cases - it also involves critical questioning from your professors (called the Socratic Method). In fact, this is how the bulk of your learning occurs. It would seem rather impossible for you to be able to benefit from this necessary learning technique without benefit of live lectures. You should report this to your state attorney general.

In law school you primarily study and analyze varias cases. Unlike some other distance learning law schools; Saratoga University includes written compendiams (the 30 pages that you refered to) and taped lectures from some of the best law professors in the nation. So, I'm not sure what type of materials you were hoping to recieve, or what size envelope you thought that the materials were supposed to fit into. We both know why you didn't get a refund-because you completed the year of study. If you would like, I'll go into why you were unable to complete the program.