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Complaint Review: Shady Oak Havanese/Donna Roberts - Shamong New Jersey

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  • Shady Oak Havanese/Donna Roberts 539 Oak Shade Rd. Shamong, New Jersey U.S.A.

Donna Roberts/ Shady Oak Havanese (several Aliases) BEWARE!! Convicted of Animal Cruelty, Failed to follow NJ Consumer Law, Outrageous Behavior Shamong New Jersey

*Author of original report: I hope you see the truth, finally.

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Arrested for Animal Cruelty NJ

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Please if you comment, READ the entire Story

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Donna Roberts CLEARED of ALL CHARGES 10/26/2009

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Donna Roberts CLEARED of ALL CHARGES 10/26/2009

*Consumer Comment: Interesting info on Dr. Horn

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Liar-Slanderer-Extortionist

*Consumer Comment: I have 2 questions

*Consumer Comment: I have 2 questions

*Consumer Comment: I have 2 questions

*Consumer Comment: I have 2 questions

*Consumer Comment: It should be obvious....

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Lies, again, out of touch with reality, but, we all knew that, already

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante aka Laurie Gilbert BEWARE!! Being Investigated for Insurance FRAUD, ALSO running an alledged ILLEGAL Day Care Center

*Author of original report: The Saga Continues, Donna Roberts still at it

*Consumer Comment: Happy Puppy Purchaser

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Donna Roberts found INNOCENT of ANIMAL CRUELITY concerning Buster Pallante

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Convicted of Animal Cruelty, Havanese Puppies/NJ

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Okay Laurie, Let's Try

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Okay Laurie, Let's Try

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Donna Roberts Innocent of Animal Cruelity

*Author of original report: Wrong, AGAIN, Donna..convicted of Animal Cruelty!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Donna Roberts Innocent of Charges

*Author of original report: Not exactly, "innocent", but, not surprised by your misrepresentations, AGAIN Donna!!

*Consumer Comment: Donna Roberts INNOCENT of ANIMAL CRUELITY

*Consumer Comment: JUSTICE

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: DONNA ROBERTS FOUND INNOCENT ON APPEAL 5/7/2008 FINALLY JUSTICE IS DONE !!!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Laurie Pallante needs Help

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser and Liar

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser and Liar

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser and Liar

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser and Liar

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Liar, Animal Abuser, Attempted Extortion

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Animal Abuser, Liar, Attempted Extortion

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Havanese Breeder NJ and other important information

*Author of original report: Important information!

*Consumer Comment: Laurie Pallante Abuses People as well as Animals

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser/Liar from Burlington, NJ

*Consumer Comment: Well

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser, Liar from Burlington, NJ

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser, Liar from Burlington, NJ

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser, Liar from Burlington, NJ

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser, Liar from Burlington, NJ

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Havanese NJ/Shady Oak Havanese Convicted of Animal Cruelty 3 counts, will not own up to obligations, makes false accusations. Denial, denial, denial!!

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Havanese Breeder NJ/Shady Oak Havanese Convicted of Animal Cruelty..totally ignores buyers after purchase, blames the world for her failure to follow the law...sold puppies with Coccidia, Giardia, Umbilical Hernia, Ear Infections and more

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Animal Abuser/Lair from Burlington, NJ

*Consumer Comment: Pathetic people

*Author of original report: UPDATE

*Author of original report: UPDATE

*Author of original report: UPDATE

*Author of original report: UPDATE

*Consumer Comment: Laurie, sweetie

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser from Burlington, NJ

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser/Liar from Burlington, NJ

*Consumer Comment: Trying again

*Author of original report: update

*Consumer Comment: Donna Roberts is a Wonderful Breeder

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Puppy Abuser

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Dream On Animal Abuser

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese, do the right thing, once and for all!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie It is illegal to make false staements

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Is Now an expert on Dog Breeding

*Author of original report: NJ Consumer Law regarding the sale of pets

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser in Burlington, NJ

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese NJ! This would have made a difference! Something to think about!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Spell It out

*Consumer Comment: Move on PLEASE

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts convicted of Animal Cruelty, Shady Oak Havanese, NJ Havanese Breeder

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Puppy Abuser

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Havanese breeder NJ, Shady Oak Havanese..response to Kathrine

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Nothing Would Make Any Difference

*Consumer Comment: GROW UP

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Havanese breeder NJ Animal Cruelty, refuses to be civilized and take responsiblity

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Havanese breeder NJ Animal Cruelty, refuses to be civilized and take responsiblity

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Havanese breeder NJ Animal Cruelty, refuses to be civilized and take responsiblity

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Please !!!!

*Author of original report: UPDATE

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser/Liar Burlington, NJ

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser/Liar Burlington, NJ

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser/Liar Burlington, NJ

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser/Liar Burlington, NJ

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts/Animal Cruelty Conviction, Shady Oak Havanese/more denial and false accusations from Donna Roberts

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante- Animal Abuser or Liar

*Consumer Comment: Laurie Answer the Questions

*Consumer Comment: You all suck

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Such Denial From An Animal Abuser

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Such Denial From An Animal Abuser

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Such Denial From An Animal Abuser

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Such Denial From An Animal Abuser

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Havanese breeder NJ/Shady Oak Havanese, Convicted of Animal Cruelty...remains uncooperative!

*Consumer Comment: CRAZY

*Consumer Comment: CRAZY

*Consumer Comment: CRAZY

*Consumer Comment: CRAZY

*Consumer Comment: MY FAMILY BOUGHT A PUPPY FROM DONNA ROBERTS

*Consumer Comment: settlement

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: DONNA ROBERTS HAS RIGHTS ALSO

*Consumer Comment: THIS CAN HAPPEN TO ANY BREEDER- WATCH OUT !!!!!

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese convicted of Animal Cruelty, Violations of NJ Consumer Law

*Consumer Comment: fee's

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Kathrine- Did you Really expect Laurie to Answer Questions?

*Author of original report: Kathrine

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: No False Allegation HERE

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Keep My Family out of this

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Donna Roberts is not Threatening Anyone

*Author of original report: Anon

*Author of original report: Anon

*Author of original report: Anon

*Author of original report: Anon

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Havanese breeder, Convicted of Animal Cruelty, Making False Accusations, serious issue

*Consumer Comment: LETS GET ON WITH OUR LIVES NOW!!

*Consumer Comment: Soap opera

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie check out your name and address under ANIMAL ABUSER

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Pallante Burlington NJ Animal Abuser

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese, sold puppies with Contagious and Infectious disease! Stop the madness, do the right thing!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Donna Roberts Does Not SELL Sick PUPPIES

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese, Convicted of Animal Cruelty, sold puppies with contagious/infectious disease!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie you still Don't Get It

*Author of original report: Shady Oak Havanese/Donna Roberts Convicted of Animal Cruelty, Violated NJ Consumer Law, sick puppies!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: There's a Big Difference, Didn't you listen

*Author of original report: DONNA ROBERTS/SHADY OAK HAVANESE, CONVICTED OF ANIMAL CRUELTY FAILED TO FOLLOW NJ CONSUMER LAW, PUPPIES WITH CONTAGIOUS AND INFECTIOUS DISEASE(S)

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Typical Laurie Pallante Response

*Author of original report: UPDATE

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie-All you are after is Revenge

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese Sick Puppies, Convicted Of Animal Cruelty, Violated NJ Consumer Law

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Shady Oak Havanese/Sick puppies, Havanese breeder in NJ

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Shady Oak Havanese/Sick puppies, Havanese breeder in NJ

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Shady Oak Havanese/Sick puppies, Havanese breeder in NJ

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Shady Oak Havanese/Sick puppies, Havanese breeder in NJ

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie, your last post was 7 posts ago??

*Author of original report: The reason!!

*Author of original report: Nice try

*Consumer Comment: The World Hates Mean People !!

*Consumer Comment: Avoiding the TRUTH?

*Consumer Comment: LET IT BE! LET IT BE OVER! IT'S SO OVER!

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese sold sick puppies and she doesn't care!! I am really done with the outrageous attacks!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie, you still ignore the questions and your double talking, look back in your rantings!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie, you still ignore the questions and your double talking, look back in your rantings!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie, you still ignore the questions and your double talking, look back in your rantings!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie, you still ignore the questions and your double talking, look back in your rantings!!

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese, sick puppies, denial and excuses!! I learned more horrifying things since June than I ever dreamed possible..how do people do this and get away with it??

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie, Did YOU LEARN Something?

*Author of original report: UPDATE

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Picture of Buster on the day he was SOLD

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Picture of Buster on the day he was SOLD

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Picture of Buster on the day he was SOLD

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Picture of Buster on the day he was SOLD

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: If I make a Post I put my name on it-don't need to hide behind observer.

*Author of original report: Parasites not a Disease??? Wrong!

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts/Shamong NJ area/Howell NJ/Shady Oak Havanese sick puppies/Animal Cruelty/Violated NJ Consumer Law

*Author of original report: Whoever you are

*Author of original report: Whoever you are

*Author of original report: Whoever you are

*Author of original report: Whoever you are

*Consumer Comment: Parasite NOT diseases

*Author of original report: Something to think about!!

*Consumer Comment: Laurie - please read!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Bravo!! Bravo!!! Take your bow!!!!!

*Author of original report: Thank You!!!

*Author of original report: NJ Havanese Breeder Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese, for the last time, I hope!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Same Cr*p Over and Over Again

*Author of original report: update

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie The Vet knows the truth!! Let her speak

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie The Vet knows the truth!! Let her speak

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie The Vet knows the truth!! Let her speak

*Author of original report: NJ Havanese Breeder/Donna Roberts Havanese puppies were sick/Shady Oak Havanese

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: The Last Word?

*Consumer Comment: Thanx you, Laurie

*Author of original report: Clarification

*Author of original report: From where I sit:

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: What's the matter Laurie?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: What's the matter Laurie?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: What's the matter Laurie?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: What's the matter Laurie?

*Author of original report: Yes, I certainly can read

*Author of original report: Focus on the facts

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Can You Read?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Can You Read?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Can You Read?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie Can You Read?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Barbara H Puppy the facts

*Author of original report: Correction

*Author of original report: Have you forgotten?

*Author of original report: On behalf of Barbara with written permission

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Definitions of the Charges

*Consumer Comment: Lori from Texas

*Author of original report: The fact(s) of the matter!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Read the Law as it is Written Not as you would like it to be

*Author of original report: Doesn't make any sense!!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: AMEN-AMEN-AMEN

*Consumer Comment: The Real Deal/ Bottom Line

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Call Dr. Horn of Bryan Animal Hostpital and get the Real Facts

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Call Dr. Horn of Bryan Animal Hostpital and get the Real Facts

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Call Dr. Horn of Bryan Animal Hostpital and get the Real Facts

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Call Dr. Horn of Bryan Animal Hostpital and get the Real Facts

*Consumer Comment: The real neighbor

*Author of original report: update

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie you are the DRAMA QUEEN EXPOSED

*Author of original report: Donna Roberts Havanese/Shady Oak Havanese

*Author of original report: Name calling

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Laurie GET OVER IT

*Author of original report: Ridiculous responses, but, what I expected

*Author of original report: Ridiculous responses, but, what I expected

*Author of original report: Ridiculous responses, but, what I expected

*Consumer Comment: Neighbor has gone to FAR (((

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Corrections of Laurie Pallante Lies

*Consumer Comment: I Have a VALENTINE PUPPY

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Pallante "REVENGE"

*Author of original report: Phone numbers and business names may change!!

*Author of original report: UPDATE

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Donna Roberts owner of Shady Oak Havanese was convicted of Animal Cruelty in Dec. 2007 in Shamong Municipal Court, Shamong NJ. Ms. Roberts sold puppies with contagious and infectious diseases.

We bought a puppy in June 07, our puppy was diagnosed with Coccidia, Giardia (contagious to humans and animals) a Yeast Infection in both ears and an Umbilical Hernia which required surgery. Our puppy was so horribly ill, it was so sad and frightening, it has been a complete nightmare. When contacting Ms. Roberts to inform her of the issues, I found she was nowhere to be found and would not return my phone calls or letters. I called many times only to finally have her return my call(s) on July 20.

When I finally spoke with Ms. Roberts, the puppy had also been diagnosed with Gastritis from the parasitic infection. Ms. Roberts denied any wrong doing and went so far as to say that "all puppies have parasites" and it was "no big deal". NO BIG DEAL?? It was more than a big deal, it was horrifying to think that she had let this happen to my puppy and who knows how many other puppies have suffered the same thing, or even worse?

Ms. Roberts dismissed all the facts and said my Vet had no idea what they were talking about...my Vet has been in business for 50 years. I told Ms. Roberts I had an Unfit for Purchase Certificate and that she would be responsible for paying the Vet. bills. She told me to send all the information and she would "take care of it."

Needless to say, nothing was taken care of...that's why I am here now. Ms. Roberts failed to follow NJ Consumer Law and still disregards her responsibilities. She will not cooperate and refuses to reimburse the Vet. bills as required by law. Ms. Roberts claims WE did not follow proper procedures, well, that is absolutely untrue, we did everything correctly. We did not know our rights, etc..because Ms. Roberts failed to notify the consumers of their rights at time of purchase as required by law. Our main concern was to get this puppy well. When we found out our rights, we realized Ms. Roberts had failed to follow NJ Consumer Law regarding the sale of dogs, so, no timeline that she speaks of or anything else she claims we did incorrectly is valid.

Ms. Roberts has several complaints against her (dating back many years) and uses several different names and business locations, including, Medford, Indian Mills, Atco, Lakewood and Howell NJ. Ms. Roberts has changed phone numbers several times, as well.

Ms. Roberts has been completely disrespectful and rude and has written completely false allegations against all buyers that complained, the SPCA and NJCAPSA. It seems the whole world is wrong according to her, everyone is out to get her, apparently. She also has made completely false and derrogatory statements/comments to and about all of the consumers that have complained.

I am asking for help to stop these horrible breeding practices that have gone on entirely too long. I am asking Ms. Roberts to follow proper procedures and own up to her obligations. I have had no contact with her since the Court date in Dec. I suppose I will have to go to Small Claims Court, but, that will not solve the problem, it's not about the money..it's about why the money had to be spent in the first place.

I had a very sick little puppy, he was sick every hour, he would not eat or drink. I had to feed him from my hand and/or off of a spoon. I had to put baby food in his water so he would drink. My puppy is the sweetest dog I have ever owned and has been a complete angel through all of his horrible experiences. We had to give him as many as 4 medications per day and ear drops twice a day. He never knew what it was like to be just a puppy until a few months ago. So, when Ms. Roberts says it's "just Giardia, etc" I have a problem with that, in fact, how would she feel if she had "just Giardia"? It's not pleasant, it's not fair and it's completely uncalled for, this was absolutely unnecesary and these puppies did not deserve that kind of treatment.

I am happy to say, thanks to the love and support of their families, Veterinarians, Libby from NJCAPSA and Theresa from the SPCA..the puppies are doing much better and we feel we rescued them and saved their lives.

There were also puppies sold with Mange and Lice among other things, some from the same so called "Valentine litter" as our puppy. None of the "paperwork" is accurate, no health records were provided which I have requested several times. The AKC papers were either not provided or sent with incorrect information. It's just a vicious cycle that will not end. There is nothing that is right about this, it needs to be made right, once and for all.

Donna is very rude and obnoxious and makes up ridiculous stories about everything. I have no idea how she has been able to get away with this for so long, but, there has to be some justice for these puppies, someday. Believe it or not, there is more to the story and it's as sick and twisted as people that "breed" sick dogs and then claim no responsibility for their actions. Donna even stated (when we paid her the money) "oh good, this will help pay my tax bill." Yes, I had many red flags and I didn't pay attention, once I held this puppy, nothing else mattered.

I have notified many different agencies, etc...thank you, to all the people that have helped us so far. Please, beware of any Havanese Breeder in NJ, it seems Donna Roberts has a monopoly on it here, as well as other small breeds, be extremely careful. It's a shame for the responsible breeders, but, if they are truly doing it for the right reasons they won't mind at all if you ask a lot of questions, ask for references and check them out. Please, don't be fooled by Donna Roberts or her family and friends that sell puppies on her behalf.

Please see the NJCAPSA web site for further information and for help if you have had a problem with a pet store or "breeder'.

We have complete and accurate documentation, I am in contact with several other families that purchased sick puppies from Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese.

Laurie
Burlington, New Jersey
U.S.A.

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#211 Author of original report

I hope you see the truth, finally.

AUTHOR: Pallante - (United States)

POSTED: Saturday, January 05, 2019

Now how are you feeling about Donna? I hope everyone that doubted ME and others are finally enlightened to the truth. It has finally come to light and if people had listened and paid attention to us, we wouldn't have gone this long and we wouldn't have lost so many innocent animals.

Thanks for your doubt, it make me fight harder. 

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#210 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Arrested for Animal Cruelty NJ

AUTHOR: Laurie - (United States)

POSTED: Thursday, December 06, 2018

 

Well, here we are and Donna had been arrested after a raid on her Shamong home. 161 dogs were living in filth, several breeds. Dogs found in the "kennels" and inside puppy mill conditions in buildings on the property, her home was condemned, it was so filthy.  Also, 44 dogs were found wrapped in plastic and placed in freezers. Those dogs were left in the freezers for 7 years, because Donna claimed she forgot abut them. 

 

Years and years of trying to get justice and finally someone listened. This has been going on for too many years and too many dogs have suffered due to her greed.

 

This is an exceptionally disturbing story, pictures are all ove the interenet, as well, so, the world is finding out what some of us have known to be true for many years. They let her get away with 30 dogs 11 years ago and now look what has happened.

 

4 dogs were in critical condition/Mom's w/nursing puppies and sadly, one of those critical did not make it. 

 

I have pictures and tons of info as you see from this report. I urge you to come forward if you have dealt with this person, her family, her aliases. Also, please, email Burlington County Prosecutor NJ and urge him to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, this has gone on too long.

 

Google Donna for much more information and important details regarding her family selling dogs as well. 

 

To those of you that didn't believe me, thank you, you made me fight harder, doubters, you made me see this through.

Thank you to all the people I have recently met, without you this would never have happened. Happy? No, I am disgusted and sad, I am haunted and sick about every part of this except that the dogs were finally saved. 

 

Burlington and Camden Counties NJ 

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#209 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Donna Roberts CLEARED of ALL CHARGES 10/26/2009

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, October 27, 2009

The APPELLANT JUDGE has CLEARED Donna Roberts of all SPCA bogus charges.  It took almost a year to clear my name but I won and the truth was finally upheld. 

Laurie Pallante and Barbara Harra now will be facing charges of their own.  Making bogus claims and harrassing a person is criminal.  I did nothing wrong and did not deserve these people coming after me like a witch hunt.   Carma is a b***h and it's coming back at you!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#208 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Donna Roberts CLEARED of ALL CHARGES 10/26/2009

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, October 27, 2009

The APPELLANT JUDGE has CLEARED Donna Roberts of all SPCA bogus charges.  It took almost a year to clear my name but I won and the truth was finally upheld. 

Laurie Pallante and Barbara Harra now will be facing charges of their own.  Making bogus claims and harrassing a person is criminal.  I did nothing wrong and did not deserve these people coming after me like a witch hunt.   Carma is a b***h and it's coming back at you!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#207 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Please if you comment, READ the entire Story

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 17, 2009
The DR. HORN who saw this pup works at Bryan Animal Hospital and her first name is DIANE. Dr. Diane Horn is an honest vet. This is how stories get totally blown out of proportion.
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#206 Consumer Comment

Interesting info on Dr. Horn

AUTHOR: Debbie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 14, 2009
Look up: Pet-Abuse.Com - Animal Abuse Case Details: Dog Breeder/Kennel Shut Down - Dallas, PA (US)

(this really makes you wonder how ethical Dr. HORN really is)


Barisano and Donovan said they believe their dogs were infected by a dog, which came into the kennel, to be cared for by the on-site veterinarian, Dr. Sharon Horn.

The couple said they believe Horn should have done more to sequester the suspect dog from others.

Reached at home Thursday, Horn declined to address the specific allegations.

Barisano said she and Donovan are "devastated" by the loss of the dogs.

The couple are breeders of a variety of dogs, but specialized in a one-of-a-kind dog ? known as a Donovan Pinscher ? used by law enforcement.

All told, the suspected Parvo outbreak killed 13 Donovan Pinschers, seven Jack Russell terriers, nine Belgian Malinois and five German Shepherds, they said.

"I lost in excess of $50,000 in dogs and my life's work," Donovan said. "We had to close all aspects of the business, grooming, boarding, breeding. I had to let go a dozen employees."

The couple said the dog deaths are just one of many problems they've encountered since moving here from New Jersey to purchase the kennel about two years ago.

In recent months numerous neighbors have complained to township supervisors about excessive noise caused by barking dogs.
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#205 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Liar-Slanderer-Extortionist

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 07, 2009
Lets face it Laurie, YOU are WRONG for even slandering me. You never did answer the million dollar question.

WHY DID YOU WAIT 10 DAYS TO TAKE THE POOR DYING PUPPY TO THE VET ?????

And can you explain why Dr, Horn did not find this puppy sick ? Why this puppy did NOT have a fever ? Why this puppy was not but in the hospital right away for fluids and life saving medicine ? WE ARE WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER !!!!!!!

You Are A JOKE.

I am still going to breed and show my beautiful dogs and you can sit in your lovely duplex and run your illegal daycare or whatever it is that you do. I don't care. Thank you to all that have contacted me and have supported me in these witch hunt attacks.
Thank you to all the dogs clubs especially ADOA for their support. I have met many wonderful people on this journey, and a few good lawyers, too. I haven't forgotten you Laurie, just have your homeowners insurance paid up please.
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#204 Consumer Comment

I have 2 questions

AUTHOR: Mh - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 17, 2009
1. Laurie - who raised your puppy while you spent 8 months writing novles on this website?

2. Donna - who cared for your dogs while you spent 8 months writing novels on this website?

Just curious...
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#203 Consumer Comment

I have 2 questions

AUTHOR: Mh - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 17, 2009
1. Laurie - who raised your puppy while you spent 8 months writing novles on this website?

2. Donna - who cared for your dogs while you spent 8 months writing novels on this website?

Just curious...
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#202 Consumer Comment

I have 2 questions

AUTHOR: Mh - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 17, 2009
1. Laurie - who raised your puppy while you spent 8 months writing novles on this website?

2. Donna - who cared for your dogs while you spent 8 months writing novels on this website?

Just curious...
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#201 Consumer Comment

I have 2 questions

AUTHOR: Mh - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 17, 2009
1. Laurie - who raised your puppy while you spent 8 months writing novles on this website?

2. Donna - who cared for your dogs while you spent 8 months writing novels on this website?

Just curious...
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#200 Consumer Comment

It should be obvious....

AUTHOR: Arizona T - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, November 16, 2008
I found this report while searching the web for information about coccidia. I found myself compelled to log on and make a statement in support of Donna. WHO I do not know. I just want to acknowledge that I side with her on this.

I am an animal lover and a parent. Dealing with Laurie and her entourrage would be a complete nightmre for anyone. Coccidia is a common canine parasite...as is giardia and worms and sad to say so is PARVO.

I would never in a million years blame a breeder for anything like this. If the puppy came home with any of this, I would expect to be at the most re-imbursed for treatment meds only. You take the animal in for a check up right away. Even the dreaded parvo is treatable if caught right away.

Can I sue my kid's school because my kid caught head lice? Who do I go after if my kid is born with a congenital defect. OMG...who do I go after when I develop heart disease!!!! HELLO!!

Dogs, puppies, kids, people...can get "stuff". Plain and simple. From what I can see in this writing, Laurie is unrealistic. Judgement or no judgement, vet or no vet, family or no family.....parasites do not equal bad breeder!!!!

People like Laurie are going to be the end of family raised dogs and it sickens me! I want my dog to come from a place like Donna's...where I can go see the parents, watch the puppies, visit the breeder.

I don't mind that this continues...Donna needs to protect herself!!! I support her.
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#199 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Lies, again, out of touch with reality, but, we all knew that, already

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, October 16, 2008
You have officially lost all sense of reality, what in the world are you talking about? Wow, you continue your lies and false allegations, don't worry, I will add this to the list.

I am simply updating this to show what you have done to us and continue to do, everyone can read it online and see your ridiculous comments.

I am not arguing with you on here, but, I will suggest that you stop now, you're way out of line and I do not have any daycare center, nor am I comitting insurance fraud and I do not collect Workmens Comp. I'm sorry your facts are wrong again. We earn our money, honestly, I know that's hard for you to understand, but, not everyone is like you and your family.

By the way, my name is Pallante, I do not use Gilbert since I got married last October, ok...get it right...no aka's or aliases here..Donna, whoever you are, today...?? Maybe, that's why you have so much misinformation...or maybe, you have lost it, completely. I did not run around your yard, the dogs were in the wire cage about 20 ft from the back door, that's it..what the heck are you talking about????

I will say this once and only once, for the record, retract your statement or it will be added to your long, long list, it's up to you.

The updates will follow soon, with the pertinent information, not these lies and false accusations.

Donna, you're really reaching, but, this is illegal, you do know that, right? By the way, I don't have enough time or space to list all the things you have done..including being Convicted of Animal Cruelty...and etc...etc...it's hard to believe you actually would go "there" with me...I have done nothing wrong...no issues here, the only thing I did wrong was believe you for one moment.

I had to file this under rebuttal because the "update" didn't work correctly, for the record!
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#198 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante aka Laurie Gilbert BEWARE!! Being Investigated for Insurance FRAUD, ALSO running an alledged ILLEGAL Day Care Center

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 13, 2008
Laurie I would think you would have bigger things to worry about than me. I got a call a few weeks ago from a Jeff Goldstein, a private investigator hired by an Insurance Company. He is gathering info on you for Insurance FRAUD. Also info on your illegal Day Care Center you run out of your home. Well Well Well, Laurie your days of walking on water and posing as Mother Theresa are winding down. Insurance Fraud is very, very bad.

I did tell him how you ran around my backyard playing with the pups and how you effortlessly bent over to pick the pups up. Gee, it did not look like anything was wrong with you so why have you been on Workmans comp for so, so long? Does look like you might be fibbing alittle. (alot lol)

As far as me and my dogs, my dogs will not be bred again till fall of 2009. I haven't had a litter in over a year and just what Lesson was I supposed to learn?
Not to sell a pup with a parasite? Well I didn't know I did when you bought your dog so yes, it might happen again but my supervising VET will tell anyone, nothing is perfect.

Also as far as my family breeding dogs, they have the same rights as you or anyone else. If they want to bred their dogs it's their right to do so, so I think you need to get over it. I was found innocent of selling you a sick pup, mainly because he wasn't sick to begin with. Your bogus lies and threats are going to come back to bite you.

Maybe your time would be better spent getting off workman's comp and finding a job, then you wouldn't have as much time to harass me.

And who is watching all the kids in your daycare if your on the computer all day???
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#197 Author of original report

The Saga Continues, Donna Roberts still at it

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, October 09, 2008
Well, here we are, and I continously find out more and more information about Donna Roberts. Just when you think it can get no worse, it does, this is absolutely ridiculous.

It is far from over, you would think she would have learned by now, or at least have one ounce of compassion for these puppies and dogs.

I am just here to say, there will be another update, I do not speak without proven facts..so, as I put all the details together, bear with me. I am sure you will be interested to know that there are now even more people with issues regarding Donna, her aliases and her family...bad issues.

For now, please check the NJCAPSA web site.

Donna, you think it's over with all of us, you think you got away with it again, but, I haven't gone away, I've just been organizing more facts and details. Oh and by the way, I won't argue with you on here..I am so so tired of the lies from you.

So, with that being said, I will have more accurate, truthful and detailed information regarding this outragoeous behavior that has been going on for entirely too long.

Thank you.

Laurie
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#196 Consumer Comment

Happy Puppy Purchaser

AUTHOR: Amn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 14, 2008
In October of 2005 I purchased a Havanese puppy bred by Donna Roberts. A year earlier I purchased a Havanese puppy from another very well known and well respected breeder.

We purchased our little girl on Halloween. It was a beautiful sunny Sunday afternoon when my daughter and I went to visit the litter. We spent several hours with the pups and Donna was nothing but friendly and informative. Within two days of bringing home the pup, we visited our vet for a check-up. My vet, who I have used for 25 years, said that my little girl was perfect. Several weeks later, the pup developed diarrhea. So back to the vet we go . . . after a few tests the pup was diagnosed with Giardia. The vet prescribed some meds for all the dogs in my house and suggested a cleaning process to rid my house of the Giardia. I called Donna and spoke with her - she gave me lots of helpful advice and was always friendly and courteous. We needed two rounds of meds to clear up the Giardia and we have had no recurrence.

It never dawned on me to ask for a refund or for assistance with Vet bills. I have no idea whether the giardia originated at the breeders home or in my own backyard. When you purchase a dog, you have to realize that sometimes dogs require veterinary care and you have to be willing to make a commitment to a dog that you purchase.

As I stated earlier, I have two havs and I love them both dearly. They are both beautiful specimens of the havanese breed. The pup I purchased from Donna however definitely has the most desireable personality. I have had many dogs in my live and she is by far the most affectionate animal I have ever had - not to mention smart!

My advice to Donna - be done with this nonsense. It is repetitive and unnecessary.

If I am ever in the market for another Hav, I would hope that I could get another dog from the same lines.

AMN
Morristown, NJ
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#195 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Donna Roberts found INNOCENT of ANIMAL CRUELITY concerning Buster Pallante

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, July 11, 2008
Laurie The fact remains at this point I am INNOCENT of any animal cruelity charges of Buster Pallante. Any more Harassing comments from you constitutes slander. The one charge remaining has nothing to do with you.

As I said before my family is of no concern to you either. If my daughters, cousins, sister, friends want to sell their pups it's none of your business. If any one of them sell a pup and there is a problem it's their business and the buyer and Consumer Affairs, not the SPCA. A pup having a parasite is not cruelity, a breeder doesn't shove the parasite down the animals throat.

As far as Consumer Affairs, I personally have asked them several times what are the REAL LAWS and who does a breeder/seller have to answer to. They don't even know at this point since the SPCA is doing their job. They are taking it to the State Attorney General but until that is resolved sellers are to follow the
Consumer Laws as written. That would mean a unfit within 14 days of purchase.

FYI- ALL MY FRIENDS, FAMILY AND OTHER BREEDERS ARE ALL HANDING OUT THE "KNOW YOUR RIGHTS" STATEMENTS, AND FOLLOWING THE LAWS TO THE UTMOST DETAIL. SO DON'T YOU WORRY YOUR LITTLE FARCE WILL NOT HAPPEN TO THEM.

Oh and your "friend" Libby Williams "aka" Mary Elizabeth Williams should print the truth. Marci Jean and Dawn have no complaints against them, neither does Gloria Anderson, who only has one dog. She is hell bent on not telling the truth on her site. She keeps printing animal cruelty but does say "for a puppy with a parasite" and that the vet , Dr. Horn didn't consider a pup with parasites sick. You both like to throw mange and lice around also but fail to mention it was not my pup that supposily had it. My pups did not have any skin problems.
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#194 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Convicted of Animal Cruelty, Havanese Puppies/NJ

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Donna,

Who said anything about pictures? What "friend" of mine supposedly has pictures and a PHD, etc??? What the heck are you talking about now? Apparently, there are deeper issues there..I am curious to know exactly what else you have done...seems to me, there's something going on, care to enlighten us?

Don't you even think about Buster anymore, he gets the BEST of everything, he loves his home and he loves his family. My dog is better taken care of than some people's children..so, don't give it another thought. The flowers were not in bloom when you snuck by my house..why didn't you stop, if you had something to say you should have stopped. I advise you once again, however, at this point, do not come near us or our home.

Let's try...this...let's try the truth from YOU! How about if you try that, for a change..try accepting responsibility and paying your overdue Vet. bills..try following NJ Consumer Law, read those letters again, it is clearly stated that you are in fact, violating several code regulations, refresh your memory a bit, before you make more ridiculous comments.
Try doing the right thing, once and for all. I am done "trying" to talk to you, done...hearing your nonsense and completely false accusations. I tried over and over.
So, you TRY coming clean, paying your bills..wait, just DO IT, you know the routine, it's happened to you several times before..you fought them tooth and nail and you lost...this is no different, except that, I am here to tell you, you cannot continue this any longer.

Your Daughter has several ads, some under your guise, some her own, I'm just stating the facts, who are you people, do you even know?? You should really be more careful with those ads, they are public knowledge and eerily similar, that's all I was saying, such a coincidence I guess..or, will you have yet another explanation. Do you sit around all day thinking of new lies?

My house is a home, it's not the biggest house, but, it's our home, it's clean and at least I don't have animals that get contagious diseases at my home, at least I don't have puppies that have congenital/hereditary defects and lord knows what else in my home. At least, in this home, there is honesty, integrity and love, we live with a clear conscience...you can't say the same. At least, we don't have to sneak around from house to house..change phone numbers, names, addresses, ads, etc...etc...you can't say that, either.
We own everything in our home, we owe no one anything, we take care of our business. WE don't have to continuously defend ourselves and look over our shoulder..we can sit in our yard and not worry about anything.
Oh, and before you talk about anyone else, you should take a long, hard look at yourself. You were convicted of animal cruelty..to this day, one year later, you remain in violation of NJ Consumer Law..and believe me, it is not going unnoticed.

Seems you have a lot of information, or so you think, talk about a stalker...and an obsession, you need to get over it. How about you get a life..and honest life, for a change.
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#193 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Okay Laurie, Let's Try

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, June 16, 2008
Laurie, look, where is this getting any of us. I am sorry for being flip, I didn't know that Buster had cocci/gardia, I really didn't. I had had the stool checked on Buster and a couple of the dogs 2 weeks before you bought him and there was nothing in it. I can only go on what my vet says. The stools were negative. He also did not show any signs of having them. Contrary to what you believe I do and did take care of my dogs and love them dearly. At this time FYI I am taking a break from breeding and will not have any pups till Nov. 2009 if I even bother then. And your friend is a lair and a cheat. And He knows it. He thinks he's a PHD but he has NO COMMON SENSE and thinks everyone should pay for his work to be done. He even wanted to put his MOTHER to sleep! Nice guy huh?

Again Please accept my apology, I am Sorry.
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#192 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Okay Laurie, Let's Try

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, June 16, 2008
Laurie, look, where is this getting any of us. I am sorry for being flip, I didn't know that Buster had cocci/gardia, I really didn't. I had had the stool checked on Buster and a couple of the dogs 2 weeks before you bought him and there was nothing in it. I can only go on what my vet says. The stools were negative. He also did not show any signs of having them. Contrary to what you believe I do and did take care of my dogs and love them dearly. At this time FYI I am taking a break from breeding and will not have any pups till Nov. 2009 if I even bother then. And your friend is a lair and a cheat. And He knows it. He thinks he's a PHD but he has NO COMMON SENSE and thinks everyone should pay for his work to be done. He even wanted to put his MOTHER to sleep! Nice guy huh?

Again Please accept my apology, I am Sorry.
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#191 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Donna Roberts Innocent of Animal Cruelity

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, June 16, 2008
Laurie you are mistaken, I was there I know what the Judge said and he said waiting 10 days to take Buster to the vet was too long. So I have the one charge left of a dog with cocci a very common parasite.

My daughter which you are stalking, is not doing anything wrong. She bred her dog and sold the pups and not one of them came up with anything. So what is your BEEF? Do you think she should ask your permission? The charge on your puppy did not stick, so now it's more revenge and harassment?

As far as consumer affairs, they are at a total loss, they do not know what to tell breeders anymore. They don't even know if they are in charge of the sale of dogs and cats in NJ or is the SPCA. Since you have all the time in the world as you sit in your duplex and do nothing but slander everyone why don't you tell Consumer Affairs what is going on. They have been telling everyone to contact the State Attorney General and ask them. Consumer Affairs NEVER told me I was in violation, in fact they point blank told Neeb, she had no case and your UNFIT was a result of you badgering the vet and you know it.

As far as 30 dogs tell your friend to go back to his pictures and count, how 8 got to 30 wow, they must be trebles. And please I wouldn't waste my time stalking you, I have better things to do in my life.

And I am truely glad that Buster has the best backyard in slumtown and please check the floor in that Bronco in case it has a big rot hole in it he won't fall through and get hurt. Oh by the way what is the limitations on slander and giving false testimony? Get a life Laurie, you really need to find something else to do. Why don't you volunteer at the shelter, you could be taught how to shovel crap, literally, as you can sure slig it here.
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#190 Author of original report

Wrong, AGAIN, Donna..convicted of Animal Cruelty!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, June 15, 2008
Donna,

You were NOT found innocent. Two charges were dismissed on technicalities. One was for JURISDICTION because the charges against you should have been filed in HOWELL where you were hawking puppies for decades until Howell ran you out of town and you slunk to Shamong in the middle of the night with your 30-plus dogs in cages. The other charge was "not proven beyond a reasonable doubt" because the vet said the Coccidia was "more than likely present at the time of purchase" instead of "WAS PRESENT at the time of purchase."

The third charge of cruelty STILL STANDS! You are still CONVICTED of Animal Cruelty. Call the Shamong Court to refresh your memory.

I have the UNFIT FOR SALE CERTIFICATE and you have two copies of it, correct?? So, I don't know why you say anything about it, you don't make any more sense today than you did almost a year ago.

And Donna, you should know there is a TEN YEAR Statute of Limitations on animal cruelty charges in New Jersey, so be very careful with the Coccidia, Giardia, lice and mange..etc..

A puppy or kitten is not born with the coccidia organisms in its intestine. However, once born, the puppy or kitten is frequently exposed to its mother's feces and if the mother is shedding the infective cysts in her feces then the young animals will likely ingest them and coccidia will develop within their intestines. Since young puppies and kittens, usually those less than six months of age, have no immunity to coccidia, the organisms reproduce in great numbers and parasitize the young animal's intestines. Oftentimes this has severe effects.

If the puppy or kitten has been at the new home for less than thirteen days then it had coccidia before it arrived. If the puppy or kitten has been with its new owner SEVERAL weeks, then the exposure to coccidia most likely occurred after the animal arrived at the new home.

Donna, you are also...still in violation of NJ Consumer Law, so, I don't know why you're "bragging"...your facts are skewed and you still have not followed the law as written.

Here are your own words, do not contradict yourself, again, please, it's so ridiculous.
From your website: Your exact words!!
Oh and I found out how my dogs got cocci there is a flock of wild turkeys that roast on my dog runs and crap all over. Wonder who I can sue for that. After all they are spreading a infectious disease. To date the NJ Wildlife Dept has done nothing to get the turkeys off my property. Roast? Donna?? You even blame the poor turkeys for your negligence, where does it end?? You should be ashamed of yourself!!

Oh, and all the other things you have said about me and my house...wrong again..those "weeds" are rose bushes, and Buster has a beautiful backyard, one of the biggest yards on the street...with grass, flowers and his own bench with a comfy cushion. That incident has been reported, as well..thanks, for telling the world that you were stalking me!!

I see your Daughter is following in your footsteps, she is not what she seems to be, or claims to be, either..both of you need to stop before you get into even more trouble, as both of you have been in the past. I would have thought you might have learned a valuable lesson, by now, but, I guess you truly do not care about anyone or any helpless puppy, it's sick and twisted and frankly, disgusts me and many, many others. It can't last forever and it won't!!
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#189 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Donna Roberts Innocent of Charges

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, June 14, 2008
What is the matter Laurie? The Judge stated on the stand at the appeal that the charges for "Buster having parasites" were UNFOUNDED because you waited to take Buster to the vet and he said that waiting 10 days was way to long, that he could have caught the parasites elsewhere, which is more than likely what happened because he was never sick when I had him.

As far as the other pup, I did not sell her the dog and the Monmouth County Consumer Affairs Dept. told her point blank she didn't have a case. Her dog had a slight yeast infection in one ear more than likely caused by her getting water in the pup's ear when bathing her. She just couldn't take the responsibility that she screwed up, I never gave the dog a bath and besides I know how to bath a dog the right way.

So I was found innocent of your lynch mob's trumped up charges. You are the one who lied. Remember, you had to spoon feed the dying puppy, and he was so so sick you waited 10 days to take him to the vet and then to top it off Dr. Horn, YOUR VET, does not find the pup sick and REFUSED to give you an UNFIT.

As far as me selling puppies, I HAVE NO PUPPIES TO SELL. I will not be breeding any dogs until the winter of 2009. I am not a puppymill, I do not breed my females back to back, I give them a 2 year break or more, depending. What my daughters do with their dogs is their business, no one has a puppymill nor supports the puppymills. My girls are very good with animals and devote alot of time and effort to fostering homeless dogs. My one daughter has found homes for 4 dogs this year through her grooming contacts. Not everyone has donations sent to them to be squandered on slandering people.
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#188 Author of original report

Not exactly, "innocent", but, not surprised by your misrepresentations, AGAIN Donna!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, June 13, 2008
According to NJ SPCA investigators, Donna Roberts in August 2007 was charged with five counts of animal cruelty under NJ Statute 4:22-26L, for willfully selling or offering to sell an animal with a contagious or infectious disease.

At her trial in Shamong Municipal Court in December 2007, Roberts was found guilty of three of those five charges.

On appeal in April, two charges were dismissed, one due to jurisdiction the dog was sold in Howell instead of Shamong - the other because one of the testifying veterinarians said that the coccidia more than likely originated at the sellers kennel. The court determined that was not enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

Just because a charge is dismissed on a technicality does not mean the animals were not sick.

The other cruelty conviction still stands.

So, why didn't you state the accurate details, Donna? Once again, you made it seem like you did nothing wrong and were free and clear. You admitted selling the puppies with Coccidia and Giardia, among other things, hernias, ear infections..and that's ok, with you? It's not okay with me and is unacceptable. The shame of it is, you are still continuing to sell puppies. Time will tell, the truth will prevail and justice will be served. As usual, everything is not as it seems with Donna Roberts..you left out crucial details. In fact, you said you treated the puppies for Coccidia while they were under your care..you were just reaching once again, another desperate attempt. We all know the truth, it's time you take responsibility.

You need to stop the disgusting practices that you and your family are engaging in..still advertising all over the place..under different names, phone numbers, etc. I wish you would make up your mind and decide who you really are..because, it's plain to the rest of us exactly WHO and WHAT you are, as soon as you realize what everyone else knows..maybe, just maybe, then the madness will end.

The fact remains, you sold us sick puppies, we received an Unfit for Purchase, you told me you were going to "take care of it." You have accused myself and others of unspeakable things, things that you know all to well...we could never imagine abusing a helpless puppy..let alone selling many sick puppies over the years as you have done. You are a complete scam, you know it, I know it and many, many others now know it..it's time to stop this...it's time for you to grow up, face the facts and pay the bills. I am not going away until justice is served, and believe me, it will be..the truth will prevail, the real truth..not Donna's "truth". I don't need to say anything else, as you have proven my point time and time again.

I will not engage in a battle of words with you, I am simply updating and telling the truth as it should be told. Don't bother to go off the deep end with insults and accusations, I have the proof, and then some. Only time will tell!! You know what you have done....and all the puppies had to suffer for your carelessness and greed....that is the cold hard fact..that's the worst part of it all, that should not be forgotten. Don't bother responding, you will only make it worse on yourself.

Stop the attacks on myself and Libby...we are not the ones hurting anyone and denying responsibility for our actions. I see you didn't get too far in your quest..you've been dismissed, disregarded and exposed all over the place, as you should be..everyone knows your story just doesn't make sense. I expect a backlash of fake replies and more ranting, but, believe me..it just does not matter what you say, anymore..in fact, you have said more than enough!!
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#187 Consumer Comment

Donna Roberts INNOCENT of ANIMAL CRUELITY

AUTHOR: Walter, Esq. - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 09, 2008
We are so happy for you Donna, you didn't deserve this in the first place. I think it's high time Laurie Pallante got hers, if you know what I mean. I will call you tonight after work. The lies and the slander, sure enjoyed the pic of her "shack" that really shows what you were dealing with and why.

All this over a COMMON PARASITE.

Laurie should be very ashamed of herself and what she did. I hope and prey she gets it back ten times over.
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#186 Consumer Comment

JUSTICE

AUTHOR: Kathrine - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 09, 2008
Congratulations Donna.
I didn't think you were an animal abuser. I think the shoe should be on the other foot, anyone to claim you mistreated your puppies and claims they bought a VERY sickly puppy but does not take it to the vet immediately should be charged with animal cruelty. I asked Laurie SEVERAL times WHY did she wait 10 long days if the puppy was so sick it had to be spoon fed to take him to the vet, she NEVER responded. There is such a thing as 24 hour Emergency Hospital for dogs/cats I would have went to one of them if I were her.

It is not your job to give everyone you life information either as to where and when you will be going away or out the door. As to where you live you have 2 houses you have the right to stay in which ever one you want to at anytime you want. Same as your last name it is your right to use which ever one you want. Did any of these people know you are a WIDOW by your second husband who you cherished and loved dearly? They probably have NO clue what you have been through over the years. I don't know how you got through it. I am sure by the grace of God and love for your dogs and traveling to show them have helped you tremendously. It is so sad that an A**hole that left a puppy suffer for so long thinks they have the right to ruin your name.

I am happy for your out come and hope this helps clear your name up so that one day you can start your breeding program again. I think you had beautiful dogs and puppies and it is a shame that out of the many you sold it took only a handful to completely ruin your good name. As my car dealer told me you can't make everyone happy. That is just life isn't it.
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#185 REBUTTAL Individual responds

DONNA ROBERTS FOUND INNOCENT ON APPEAL 5/7/2008 FINALLY JUSTICE IS DONE !!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, May 07, 2008
ON THIS DAY THE APPEAL FOR THE CONVECTION OF CRUELITY TO BUSTER PALLANTE BECAUSE HE HAD PARASITES WAS OVERTURNED.

THE JUDGE FOUND NO BASIS FOR THE CHARGES AND DONNA ROBERTS IS INNOCENT.

NOW WHAT LAURIE , YOUR LIES EXPOSED, YOUR SLANDER EXPOSED.

DONNA ROBERTS INNOCENT. FINALLY JUSTICE WAS DONE. WHERE IS YOUR APOLOGY LAURIE?
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#184 Consumer Suggestion

Laurie Pallante needs Help

AUTHOR: Walter, Esq. - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 04, 2008
Ms. Pallante alias Ms. Gilbert. Your mission of revenge has been heard over and over again. Why don't you give it a rest.

Open Letter to the Dog Lovers:

I own a sibling to Buster. This dog is the most wonderful one I have ever owned. There were no Health Issues with my pup, what so ever. I can understand someone being upset because their pup comes up with a parasite but this is beyond extreme. Ms. Pallante/Gilbert's actions are not even reasonable they are uncalled-for. She has no evidence to back her claim up that her puppy was sick. I have reviewed the three vet bills and none of them say sick puppy. The second and third vet bills are after the 14 day guarantee period.

Donna Roberts has been a dog breeder for 40 years, that is a very long time. She knows what she is doing and I do not believe for a minute that she would KNOWINGLY sell a sick puppy.

Donna Roberts has been very good to us. She showed us how to groom our puppy and do the nails. She babysat our pup for FREE when we had to go out of town. She really cares about her puppies.

It's amazing that you have all these rescue groups going to Pa. to SAVE the pups, buying them and supporting the puppy mills and then attack a home breeder that has many witnesses that she breeds her own pups.

You don't see the SPCA raiding the Rescue Groups or the pet shops that all get their pups from the puppy mills. Think about it, do you think that there are that many purebred puppies out there to be RESCUED. The SPCA has perfected their tactics to LEGALLY steal pups belonging to breeders/dealers and then selling them for profit and then collecting on the fines levied against the breeder/dealer they stole the pups from. I don't know who this William Roberts is but they say they took 27 of his pups but only 6 were found to be sick, do you think they returned the 21 that were not found to be sick. Hell No!! They are selling them and also collecting donations to care for them. These tactics are the new piggy bank for the SPCA. Please note William Roberts is not in anyway connected to Donna Roberts. They just both happen to sell pups in NJ. as does hundreds of other people, look in your local newspaper.

I don't want to get off track, just wanted to even up the score, one for Donna Roberts, and we all know Pallante/Gilbert against Donna Roberts.
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#183 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser and Liar

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 03, 2008
Laurie, I now understand everything.

This afternoon I had to go to Mills Harley Davidson and just for kicks we drove past your house, or should I say DUPLEX. Yellow old siding, 19 inch TV in the right bottom window. And you had the NERVE to put my house and yard down, you should have bought a seeing eye dog not Buster because GIRL you are BLIND.

The 24 inches of dirt and weeds that is your front yard and no one can see in the back yard for all the stockade crumbling down.

Oh by the way why don't you report your neighbor three doors down for leaving a shih tzu tied to the back door on such a cold day.

The whole DUPEX might be worth $68,000 or maybe NOT. Now I see why you said you could not afford full price for a Havanese. You should have gone to the shelter and got a rescue dog for $200 because you were more than right on what you said.

I have worked all my life, I had my first job at 8 years old, working at Squankum Kennels, cleaning and feeding the boarding dogs. You might want to try it some time, I don't mean work at the kennel, I mean WORK period. Then you wouldn't have to be jealous of other people who have more. Working for something in life has its rewards, but as long as you sit on your dead a*s you will get no where, as you already know.

I feel bad for my puppy as he has no big yard to run and play like he is used to.

I am so sorry Buster that I sold you.
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#182 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser and Liar

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 03, 2008
Laurie, I now understand everything.

This afternoon I had to go to Mills Harley Davidson and just for kicks we drove past your house, or should I say DUPLEX. Yellow old siding, 19 inch TV in the right bottom window. And you had the NERVE to put my house and yard down, you should have bought a seeing eye dog not Buster because GIRL you are BLIND.

The 24 inches of dirt and weeds that is your front yard and no one can see in the back yard for all the stockade crumbling down.

Oh by the way why don't you report your neighbor three doors down for leaving a shih tzu tied to the back door on such a cold day.

The whole DUPEX might be worth $68,000 or maybe NOT. Now I see why you said you could not afford full price for a Havanese. You should have gone to the shelter and got a rescue dog for $200 because you were more than right on what you said.

I have worked all my life, I had my first job at 8 years old, working at Squankum Kennels, cleaning and feeding the boarding dogs. You might want to try it some time, I don't mean work at the kennel, I mean WORK period. Then you wouldn't have to be jealous of other people who have more. Working for something in life has its rewards, but as long as you sit on your dead a*s you will get no where, as you already know.

I feel bad for my puppy as he has no big yard to run and play like he is used to.

I am so sorry Buster that I sold you.
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#181 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser and Liar

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 03, 2008
Laurie, I now understand everything.

This afternoon I had to go to Mills Harley Davidson and just for kicks we drove past your house, or should I say DUPLEX. Yellow old siding, 19 inch TV in the right bottom window. And you had the NERVE to put my house and yard down, you should have bought a seeing eye dog not Buster because GIRL you are BLIND.

The 24 inches of dirt and weeds that is your front yard and no one can see in the back yard for all the stockade crumbling down.

Oh by the way why don't you report your neighbor three doors down for leaving a shih tzu tied to the back door on such a cold day.

The whole DUPEX might be worth $68,000 or maybe NOT. Now I see why you said you could not afford full price for a Havanese. You should have gone to the shelter and got a rescue dog for $200 because you were more than right on what you said.

I have worked all my life, I had my first job at 8 years old, working at Squankum Kennels, cleaning and feeding the boarding dogs. You might want to try it some time, I don't mean work at the kennel, I mean WORK period. Then you wouldn't have to be jealous of other people who have more. Working for something in life has its rewards, but as long as you sit on your dead a*s you will get no where, as you already know.

I feel bad for my puppy as he has no big yard to run and play like he is used to.

I am so sorry Buster that I sold you.
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#180 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser and Liar

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 03, 2008
Laurie, I now understand everything.

This afternoon I had to go to Mills Harley Davidson and just for kicks we drove past your house, or should I say DUPLEX. Yellow old siding, 19 inch TV in the right bottom window. And you had the NERVE to put my house and yard down, you should have bought a seeing eye dog not Buster because GIRL you are BLIND.

The 24 inches of dirt and weeds that is your front yard and no one can see in the back yard for all the stockade crumbling down.

Oh by the way why don't you report your neighbor three doors down for leaving a shih tzu tied to the back door on such a cold day.

The whole DUPEX might be worth $68,000 or maybe NOT. Now I see why you said you could not afford full price for a Havanese. You should have gone to the shelter and got a rescue dog for $200 because you were more than right on what you said.

I have worked all my life, I had my first job at 8 years old, working at Squankum Kennels, cleaning and feeding the boarding dogs. You might want to try it some time, I don't mean work at the kennel, I mean WORK period. Then you wouldn't have to be jealous of other people who have more. Working for something in life has its rewards, but as long as you sit on your dead a*s you will get no where, as you already know.

I feel bad for my puppy as he has no big yard to run and play like he is used to.

I am so sorry Buster that I sold you.
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#179 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Liar, Animal Abuser, Attempted Extortion

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 03, 2008
Laure, what I do, where I live, where I go is none of your Business!!! Plain and Simple, My Lawyers are handling everything and that is none of your Business either.

I owe you NOTHING, this was settled in July 2007 when you were told that the puppy was not sick by your own vet, you are just to stupid to believe her.

As anyone can plainly see this is your revenge to get me because I did not jump through your hoops. You trying to dominate me.

Oh by the way the "Dirt" in the backyard of the Shamong house needs to be mowed since you couldn't afford to pay full price for the Havanese Puppy maybe you would be interested in a little extra cash. Bring your lawnmower, I pay $10 an hour!!!!!
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#178 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Animal Abuser, Liar, Attempted Extortion

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, May 03, 2008
Laurie, at this time there is no Kennel Laws on the books of Shamong Township so no laws are being broken. And the the Judge had nothing to do with the town meeting it is the normal session as always but you do have to blow everything out of porportion isn't that right? Like Buster was so sick but you waited 10 days to take him to the vet. LIAR LIAR.

I haven't sold sick puppies, no dogs were taken from me, the Board of Health inspected me and found nothing wrong. So trouble maker you see I have done nothing wrong, only in your mind and in the mind of Libby Williams who wants to get rid of all the Breeders in NJ.

A puppy with parasites is not considered sick even your own vet said so. None of my pups had any skin problems either so stick that.

Get a Life Animal Abuser!!!
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#177 Author of original report

Important information!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 30, 2008
Dozens of abused puppies seized in Gloucester County
by Brian T. Murray/The Star-Ledger
Saturday April 19, 2008, 1:37 PM

More than two dozen sick dogs recently purchased from Pennsylvania puppy mills were seized early today from a home in Gloucester County during a raid of what authorities said was an illegal dog sale operation that netted $200,000 annually, authorities said.

Officers from the New Jersey State Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals executed warrants at 7:15 a.m. on a home in Franklinville, where they found the 27 puppies crammed into cages in a basement closet, authorities said.

"When I opened the closet, it was about 85 degrees in there. No ventilation. The dogs were covered in feces and sick. There were seven to a cage," said Sy Goldberg, lieutenant colonel of the society.

The dogs were of various breeds, from Cockapoos and golden retrievers to different types of terriers. All were taken to the Columbus Animal Hospital in Burlington County, where they are still being examined and evaluated, Goldberg said.

The owner of the home, 57-year-old William C. Roberts, was charged with a fourth-degree criminal offense of willfully selling an animal with a communicable disease -- a charge related to an undercover probe that lead to yesterday morning's raid.

The NJSPCA said additional charges related to failing to properly care for the animals will be filed, and that federal and state agencies are being notified of other potential violations of animal, health and criminal laws.

Goldberg said the society also uncovered evidence that Roberts had illegally distributed medications only veterinarians are licensed to provide.

"We sent undercover agents in three weeks ago to buy a dog from him. We began an investigation after people notified us that he was selling dogs that were sick, dogs he purchased in Lancaster," Goldberg said, referring to a Pennsylvania county notorious for its puppy mills.

Puppy mill dogs, bred en masse like livestock, often carry genetic disorders that shorten their lives or result in the animals becoming infirmed and crippled. Many also have diseases that are easily spread to other animals.

Knowingly selling sick dogs is illegal in New Jersey.


Sunday, April 27, 2008

By Stephanie Brown
Gloucester County Times, New Jersey

It was an exciting day at the Farr household when Leo, a white-haired Maltese puppy, became a part of the family.

The Farrs of Williamstown purchased Leo from a Franklin Township man last month with the hopes of mating him with their female Maltese, affectionately called Love Chunks.

"If you could've been here for that moment and saw all the kids on the floor playing with him," recalled Bill Farr. "I mean, they just fell in love."

But that excitement quickly faded when the new puppy became severely ill and the Farrs found themselves at the center of a questionable dog sale operation.

Animal and consumer protection agencies say it's all too common for consumers to be duped by individuals who claim to be breeders but who actually purchase dogs from Pennsylvania puppy mills and sell them here for a profit.

"There is a major problem here (and that is) the underground broker, the unlicensed broker," said Libby Williams, president of New Jersey Consumers Against Pet Shop Abuse (NJCAPSA). "They buy puppies in Pennsylvania, and they bring their litters back across state lines. They then place classified advertisements and masquerade as the breeder."

Puppy mill dogs, bred en masse like livestock, often carry genetic disorders that shorten their lives or result in the animals becoming infirm and crippled. Many also have diseases that are easily spread to other animals.

A Franklin Township man was recently charged with willfully selling an animal infected with a contagious disease, after the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals raided his home and found 28 puppies crammed into cages in a basement closet.

Officers from the SPCA said William C. Roberts had recently purchased the puppies from two of the largest puppy mills in Pennsylvania.

It was Roberts who sold the Farrs their puppy after they responded to his ad in a newspaper.

Bill Farr asked Roberts, who he said claimed to be a breeder, if he could come over to check out the parents. But Roberts insisted that he bring the puppies to them, said Farr.

Farr admits that it seemed somewhat odd, but said his family was caught up in the excitement of it all and shrugged it off.

"What are you supposed to do?" he asked. "You take him for his word."

The Farrs paid $600 in cash for their puppy. Bill Farr said Roberts insisted on a cash payment, because he said he had problems in the past with checks bouncing.

"He had a reason for everything, this guy," Leslie Farr said.

The Farrs said Roberts left them some medicine for the dog medicine he said would help with any diarrhea the dog might have while adjusting to his new home.

They claim Roberts told him not to go to a veterinarian because they never give the animal enough medication, he said and suggested ordering medication online.

The next day, Leslie Farr said, Leo became sick with what seemed like a respiratory infection.

"He was coughing and he had all this mucus coming out of his nose," said Leslie Farr. "I felt so sorry for this little dog."

The Farrs took Leo to the veterinarian only to learn that he had fluid in his lungs and two kinds of parasites.

"The vet said if we hadn't gotten this puppy, that this puppy would be dead," Bill Farr said.

Leo has since recuperated, although he is still on antibiotics. The Farrs said he will likely have lifelong problems, and they no longer plan to mate him with their female dog.

"He'll have a good life, though," said Bill Farr.

"We're trying to make it up to him, after all he's been through," added Valerie Farr.

Roberts denies the accusations against him. He said he never knowingly sold a dog that was sick.

"We are not God," he said. "We don't have the benefit of knowing what is going to happen three days from now."

Roberts is also accused of practicing medicine without a license. He said he buys medications legally online to give to the dogs.

"What I tried to do whenever I sold a puppy, I tried to give as much advice as I can to help stop the people from spending money on vet bills," he said.

"In other words, it doesn't make common sense," he added. "If I have all that medicine, why am I selling something that's sick?"

Roberts believes the SPCA is targeting him in an effort to get to the puppy mills and edge out their business. But the man who claims he never called himself a breeder said he only deals with licensed breeders who are subject to inspection several times a year.

"You'll find bad apples in anything, but they have improved 10,000 percent because of a very simple reason, dollars and cents," said Roberts. "These puppies are worth a lot of money."

Since news of Roberts' arrest broke, SPCA investigator Theresa Cooper said she has received more than 25 calls from people claiming that he sold them sick dogs.

She said unlicensed brokers, like Roberts, take advantage of people's trust and good nature.

"They actually prey on the fact that people, by nature, when you bring a puppy into their life, will keep the dog," she said.

Cooper said that dog sale operations in which individuals purchase puppies from puppy mills in Pennsylvania then sell them in New Jersey are widespread. The unscrupulous business flies under the radar, she said.

"I think this has been going on a very long time, but I think the public is becoming more aware of it," she said.

Such operations can be lucrative. Authorities said that Roberts' operation netted $200,000 annually.

"It's like any other business that they're trying to run, and it's a money-maker," Cooper said.

Those who purchase a puppy should be given a record of the dog's history and health records.

The New Jersey Pet Purchase Protection Act protects pet purchasers who receive "defective" companion animals. A purchaser of a pet claimed to be defective must have the animal examined by a veterinarian within 14 days of purchase. Under the law, the animal must be certified as "unfit for sale" in order to be eligible for a refund or exchange. A buyer may also retain the pet and be reimbursed for veterinary bills up to two times the cost of the dog or cat.

Cooper recommends adoption for those looking to find an animal companion. She also suggested speaking with a local veterinarian to see whether he or she can recommend any breeders or pet shops in the area.

The New Jersey Department of Health and Senior Services keeps an updated list of licensed kennels, pet shops, shelters and pounds on the Office of Animal Welfare's Web site, www.nj.gov/health/animalwelfare. The American Kennel Club also maintains a list of licensed breeders on its Web site.

NJCAPSA assists consumers by providing them with the information to report violations of the New Jersey Pet Purchase Protection Act, also known as the "puppy lemon law."

The names of individuals who have had charges filed against them with the Consumer Affairs Department are also posted on the organization's Web site, www.njcapsa.org.

Williams, who is also the organization's founder, warns as a general rule of thumb: If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.

"It's more enticing for people if they think can buy a shih tzu for half the cost, but you know the old saying: you get what you pay for," Williams said.
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Donna Roberts Havanese Breeder NJ and other important information

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 30, 2008

Here is an interesting and extremely sad story that brings to the forefront the horrible issues that are plaguing puppies and the unsuspecting, generous families that are just trying to add a sweet little dog to their family.

So, when people say...I am attacking them or their family, perhaps, there is good reason for them to be exposed, I am simply stating the facts, I am not attacking anyone. I do have many reasons to want to fight for the rights of the animals and their families. If that makes me "crazy" or whatever else you want to call me, well, then..so be it, but, I am here to tell you this is an emergency, this is a serious issue that must be addressed, immediately. It is more sick and twisted than anyone can imagine.

I was sold a puppy with multiple parasites (contagious and infectious diseases), an Umbilical Hernia, dual ear infection which led to other issues.

I have explained time and time again and here we are exactly 10 months later with no resolution. With the tremendous help and support from our Vets, family and friends we did get the puppy better, he is my baby and I would have done and will do whatever it takes to make him healthy...so, again, if that makes me "insane" or whatever Donna's newest word of the day is..then, let us consider the source.

Donna sold more than a few sick puppies in her day...many seriously ill, she did not follow NJ Consumer Law and was convicted of Animal Cruelty...so, if we are comparing reputation and credibility..little more needs to be said. If only everyone knew everything..there wouldn't be a doubt who is wrong here and that it is a vicious circle that didn't start or end with just our puppy.

We did everything correctly..Donna will not follow the law.. she has a responsibility to Us, as well as, Barbara, Judi and in my opinion Leisa and I'm sure many, many others.

She has continuously denied any wrong doing and blames everyone else for everything. Perhaps, if she had stopped for just a moment and thought about the consequences of lying, deceiving, misrepresenting and making false and outrageous allegations, things would be completely different. Maybe, then this suffering would not have happened.

If she had followed NJ Law, this would be settled by now and if she had showed common decency and settled the issues, perhaps, we would not be where we are today and she would not have been found in violation of code regulations as per Consumer Affairs.
If Donna had bred dogs properly and maintained high standards, the puppies would not have gotten sick and she would not have been convicted of Animal Cruelty.

Above and beyond all of that, just by simply doing the right thing in the first place would have avoided this whole conversation and suffering of innocent puppies and their families.

We would not have had puppies with Giardia, Coccidia, Hernia's, Ear Infections, Mange, Lice, etc. We would not have had to live with the stress, fear and anxiety of what was going to happen. Although, each of us would not trade our puppy for anything in the world, we certainly could have done without the trauma and we wish our puppies could have been able to enjoy their first months of life, instead of fighting to get well and looking at us as if to say, please, make me better.

I have relayed this experience in the hope of solving the problem with Donna Roberts..to no avail as of today. I have told the story so that no one else and no other puppy has to go through this experience. I am hoping this will make a difference..and I am hoping beyond hope that Donna will stop her practices, admit the truth and pay the people their money instead of ranting and "screaming" about how I have "ruined" her life etc..... If you live in denial like Donna, then of course, everyone else is wrong..of course, we are all out to get her. Is it really denial, though?? Or, is she completely aware of what she is doing and simply doesn't care because, after all, she has gotten away with it before, so, why not continue? We are each responsible for our actions and will be held accountable, we did what we were supposed to do (and more), now, Donna, you need to abide by the law, not to mention show a shred of decency and compassion.

I will leave you to draw your own conclusions and opinions. I know in my heart, that we have not and would never do anything to harm our puppy..we have followed the law and did everything correctly..we live with a clear conscience and do not have to constantly look over our shoulder...or avoid phone calls/messages. We don't have to use an alias or different addresses and phone numbers..we don't have to defend ourselves and use rude, vulgar and obscene language to draw attention elsewhere. We don't have to blame everyone else for our own mistakes and make completely false statements/accusations.

We don't have to, we have not and will not ever!!! So, you see Donna, we did not do this to YOU or your family..we did nothing but, expect to purchase a healthy puppy. YOU did the rest, knowing full well what you were doing was and is wrong and just hoping we would go away like others have. I guess if I had to live with what you live with every single day, maybe, just maybe then I would understand your desperation and need to blame the world for your actions. So, you see, it is not what anyone else did to you, it's what you have done to yourself, your family, our families and most importantly, the innocent puppies.

If that doesn't mean something, well, then I cannot help but think that perhaps, there are more heartless, clueless people in the world than I imagined possible. I do and will always believe in the "good" and the "right" and nothing can take that away, no matter how many times it is disputed or skewed...the truth will always be the truth.

One more thing...Donna, if you did not need a kennel license (as you have stated numerous times) then, may I ask why you did in fact, apply for a kennel license in Shamong in Feb?
You applied.. your name, your address...and I thought you lived in Howell now, correct?
So, why did you do that?? That doesn't seem on the up and up to me..but, I am not surprised in the least. I know you will try to explain this away, but, again....you are the one that did it, you applied even after you claimed you didn't need one and it "didn't apply to you"..another contradiction among many.

Shamong Township Committee Minutes

February 26, 2008

The Administrator reviewed with the Committee a Kennel License application from Donna

Roberts of 539 Oak Shade Road stating the purpose for the kennel is to raise dogs for sale and

she presently has 26 dogs. Mrs. Roberts submitted a plot plan of her property showing the

kennel size and location. The Administrator reported it was advertised in the Central Record as

required by law. Mayor Shevelew asked that the neighbors be notified of this request and when

the public hearing will take place and also our solicitor review paper work to make sure it is in

compliance with State regulations.

The township previously licensed kennels in the township for hunting and hobby purposes until the county said they no longer needed to license if they were not selling, breeding for sale, or boarding. So, it seems to me that it was in fact, required, but, you denied it last year and you denied it in these posts when I asked you if you had gotten one yet...it's all in black and white, but, I know you will make up..yet, another excuse/lie.

As for the other nonsense you wrote in your last few replies, well, once again, you are WRONG and seem more confused than ever. By the way, you were Convicted of Animal Cruelty for selling puppies with contagious/infectious diseases..ie: Giardia, Coccidia. The way you say things certainly shows your lack of character and gives us a peek into the twisted way you think and see things.

Please read the following information about a horrible breeder in NJ, his actions and method of operation is eerily similar to many other rogue breeders. It's scary how similar actually, you can find more information on various web sites, I found many of his ads with different phone numbers, etc...it's seems to be how many of these people operate and it literally makes me sick.

Thank you, if anyone needs further information about anything here, please, feel free to contact me.

The articles were published in different newspapers, they are not my words and they are exactly as published...see below, thank you!
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#175 Consumer Comment

Laurie Pallante Abuses People as well as Animals

AUTHOR: Tiger Lady - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 14, 2008
Laurie, I sold puppies with cocci. I only have one litter maybe every two years. I did not know the pups had cocci. So does that make me a "Bad Breeder"?

My vet did a stool check on the female before I bred her and the stool was negative. Explain That!!

All my buyers didn't go off the deep end like you are.

You really should get help, something is wrong with you, it is very clear!!!!!

Maybe you were abused when you were a child so now you must Bully other people that you cannot dominate as you have been trying to do to Donna.

Donna, from what I can read doesn't do anything but defend herself against your lies and it's sad that she has to go through that, because of cocci, a parasite.

Laurie you have been asked for months now why you didn't take the pup to the vet right away when you said he was so sick. That puppy was not sick according to the vet bill posted. He received no care for a sick puppy. It is all lies on your part. Get a LIFE !! Get out of Donna's. She may not be a saint but at least she is not harassing anyone or spreading lies about anyone.
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#174 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser/Liar from Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 14, 2008
Laurie you state That Buster had parasites, hernia, upset tummy and other things are wrong, What more did you do to my PUPPY? When he left me he was healthy and fine, what more did you do to him???????????????

I am not in DENIAL one bit. FACTS are you are the one in denial, you are the one who is lying, you are the one who continues to show your rotten character.

Yes, Convicted of Animal Cruelity because of parasites. Understand that completely. I gave the pups the meds and they didn't work on Buster or Cooper,
My fault, NO WAY!!! I had the stool checked and it was neg. so why they broke out with it I do not know, but you did hear the vet in court, it HAPPENS!! It's nobody's fault.

I didn't sell any sick dogs. I did not give any dogs lice or mange. None of my dogs have any skin problems. And if one dog has it they all do. Cooper got lice or mange somewhere else because Buster didn't have it, did he?

Yes they had tiny, tiny hernias that would go away but in your case you saw it fit to put Buster through unnessary surgery and read your consumer laws:

Congentail defects must affect the health of the dog to be considered UNFIT, that tiny, tiny hernia would have gone away, just like Dr. Horn told you, but you had to pretend it was drastic and you were saving the poor puppy.

Believe it or not that poor puppy was doing just fine before you bought him, it was only after he was in your care he has all these horrific so called problems, WHY IS THAT?

You can make up more lies and recruit more so called liars it doesn't change anything. I did nothing wrong except sell you a puppy at a discount because you could not afford to pay full price. I did not sell you a sick puppy, I gave you his Health Record, and you got his correct papers, it was only the call names on the Sales Agreement I messed up on.

Laurie you are nothing more than a sad, trouble maker that enjoys causing harm and grief to anyone you cannot dominate. You abuse my puppy and then want to turn your abuse on me. I answered your phone call when I got back from Florida. And stop lying that you didn't know where I was, when you reached my sister on July 5 she told you where I was and she told you she didn't know much about dogs and to take the puppy to the vet if he had loose stools. Even on the care sheet that was given to you it explained that puppies when they are moved to a new home may get loose stools from the change of water, food, etc. but if it was such a concern why didn't you get your a*s to the vet. So who is at fault here? It was your responsibility to take care of the puppy you bought, not mine, If Buster was sick (which according to your own vet he was not) it was your obligation to provide vet care for him, ASAP, not 10 days later. So get off your bullshit story that he was so sick, it's a lie.

I tried to send you the money for the meds for the parasites but you sent it back. you claim the upset tummy was caused by the parasites which is impossible (I worked for a vet for 7 years) because Buster already had recieved the meds for the parasites in the 6 days before he had an upset tummy. So that story doesn't wash, it's a lie to blame me again for your incompetant care of this puppy. And I am not blaming everyone else, this in fact is the truth.

Show me the Veterinary Report with the veterinary testing results that the upset tummy (gasteritis) was caused by the parasites that would have been gone by that time!!!!

Your entire whoo-is-me routine is bogus to say the least. You have absolutely no medical records to back up your "STORY", none what-so-ever.

When Dr. Horn testifies in court she will have to testify to the truth, and her vet bill is the truth. She never found the puppy sick or UNFIT. When Dr. Slavin testifies to the Gasteritis is she going to say it was from parasites. I doubt it because it is not possible, Dr. Horn gave Buster the meds for the parasites 6 days prior so he could not still have them or be affected by them. Even before he was treated for them he was not sick from them so it makes no sense that he would be sick from them after he got the meds to get rid of them. See Laurie, your entire story is "BULLCRAP" . The facts are Buster had parasites but " WAS NOT SICK " because of them.

I am sorry you need to have attention, even if it's negative attention , you seem to be thrilled with it and revel in your "revenge" against me for selling you a great puppy.

I only have two dogs left to my name because of you and your "REVENGE" based on lies. Something you will pay dearly for I can assure you that. Your slander will cost you plenty just as it cost me and my family+ friends.
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#173 Consumer Comment

Well

AUTHOR: Kathrine - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 14, 2008
Laurie:
Why did you wait 10 days to take a sick puppy to the vet? ARE YOU EVER GOING TO ANSWER?


SO WHAT if you couldn't get in touch with Donna she has a right to take vacations in PEACE.

It was YOUR job to take Buster to the vet ASAP if a problem came up. You don't wait for somebody that is NOT a vet to get back to you if he wa so sick you had to spoon feed. Especially to wait 10 long days.
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#172 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser, Liar from Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 14, 2008
Laurie, you are really stupid, I was in Florida, I didn't ignore you and when I can back, I didn't ignore you. It's just after hearing the same story over and over again, it's only after that I just gave up dealing with you.

I also do not use different addresses or names as you claim, I don't need to. And if you check with Shamong Township there are no Kennel Licenses on their books because none are needed. The Shamong House was sold to me as a Kennel that is the reason I bought it.

When someone moves you do need to change these things, address, phone etc. so can your a*****e crap about aliases because it's not true

YOU ARE STILL AVOIDING THE MAIN QUESTION, WHY DID YOU WAIT TO TAKE BUSTER TO THE VET IF HE WAS SO SICK???????

What's the matter, sticky question?

You want to HARP over and over I did so many wrong things, well spell it out, I can bet you it's all made up by your lynch mob to begin with because I haven't done anything WRONG. And I take care of my dogs, unlike you, if my puppy was sick I wouldn't wait 10 days to get him to a vet.

Can you UNDERSTAND ENGLISH, I didn't know they had parasites when I sold them or before I sold them. When Cooper came up with cocci, I treated the whole litter again and then 10 days treated them again. I did my job correctly.

Laurie don't you have a LIFE???? Or am I it????? You really need to get help!!
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#171 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser, Liar from Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 14, 2008
Laurie, you are really stupid, I was in Florida, I didn't ignore you and when I can back, I didn't ignore you. It's just after hearing the same story over and over again, it's only after that I just gave up dealing with you.

I also do not use different addresses or names as you claim, I don't need to. And if you check with Shamong Township there are no Kennel Licenses on their books because none are needed. The Shamong House was sold to me as a Kennel that is the reason I bought it.

When someone moves you do need to change these things, address, phone etc. so can your a*****e crap about aliases because it's not true

YOU ARE STILL AVOIDING THE MAIN QUESTION, WHY DID YOU WAIT TO TAKE BUSTER TO THE VET IF HE WAS SO SICK???????

What's the matter, sticky question?

You want to HARP over and over I did so many wrong things, well spell it out, I can bet you it's all made up by your lynch mob to begin with because I haven't done anything WRONG. And I take care of my dogs, unlike you, if my puppy was sick I wouldn't wait 10 days to get him to a vet.

Can you UNDERSTAND ENGLISH, I didn't know they had parasites when I sold them or before I sold them. When Cooper came up with cocci, I treated the whole litter again and then 10 days treated them again. I did my job correctly.

Laurie don't you have a LIFE???? Or am I it????? You really need to get help!!
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#170 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser, Liar from Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 14, 2008
Laurie, you are really stupid, I was in Florida, I didn't ignore you and when I can back, I didn't ignore you. It's just after hearing the same story over and over again, it's only after that I just gave up dealing with you.

I also do not use different addresses or names as you claim, I don't need to. And if you check with Shamong Township there are no Kennel Licenses on their books because none are needed. The Shamong House was sold to me as a Kennel that is the reason I bought it.

When someone moves you do need to change these things, address, phone etc. so can your a*****e crap about aliases because it's not true

YOU ARE STILL AVOIDING THE MAIN QUESTION, WHY DID YOU WAIT TO TAKE BUSTER TO THE VET IF HE WAS SO SICK???????

What's the matter, sticky question?

You want to HARP over and over I did so many wrong things, well spell it out, I can bet you it's all made up by your lynch mob to begin with because I haven't done anything WRONG. And I take care of my dogs, unlike you, if my puppy was sick I wouldn't wait 10 days to get him to a vet.

Can you UNDERSTAND ENGLISH, I didn't know they had parasites when I sold them or before I sold them. When Cooper came up with cocci, I treated the whole litter again and then 10 days treated them again. I did my job correctly.

Laurie don't you have a LIFE???? Or am I it????? You really need to get help!!
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#169 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser, Liar from Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, April 14, 2008
Laurie, you are really stupid, I was in Florida, I didn't ignore you and when I can back, I didn't ignore you. It's just after hearing the same story over and over again, it's only after that I just gave up dealing with you.

I also do not use different addresses or names as you claim, I don't need to. And if you check with Shamong Township there are no Kennel Licenses on their books because none are needed. The Shamong House was sold to me as a Kennel that is the reason I bought it.

When someone moves you do need to change these things, address, phone etc. so can your a*****e crap about aliases because it's not true

YOU ARE STILL AVOIDING THE MAIN QUESTION, WHY DID YOU WAIT TO TAKE BUSTER TO THE VET IF HE WAS SO SICK???????

What's the matter, sticky question?

You want to HARP over and over I did so many wrong things, well spell it out, I can bet you it's all made up by your lynch mob to begin with because I haven't done anything WRONG. And I take care of my dogs, unlike you, if my puppy was sick I wouldn't wait 10 days to get him to a vet.

Can you UNDERSTAND ENGLISH, I didn't know they had parasites when I sold them or before I sold them. When Cooper came up with cocci, I treated the whole litter again and then 10 days treated them again. I did my job correctly.

Laurie don't you have a LIFE???? Or am I it????? You really need to get help!!
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#168 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Havanese NJ/Shady Oak Havanese Convicted of Animal Cruelty 3 counts, will not own up to obligations, makes false accusations. Denial, denial, denial!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 13, 2008



Get off it, Donna, you know the story. I called you before you went to Florida and while you were there. I gave you complete details about what was going on..you did not respond until July 20th. You even admit that I did in fact, try to contact you and you ignored me. You didn't care what happened from the moment we left your house.

The puppy was Unfit for Purchase, you were found in violation of NJ Consumer Law and CONVICTED OF ANIMAL CRUELTY!!

I am not going to explain myself, for the last time...I TOLD YOU!! Have you forgotten..or didn't you ever pay attention? You asked me questions in Court, Donna, remember?? I answered all of your questions. You are just trying to make me look bad, and it is not working. If you had any further questions, you certainly had time to ask us.

As a matter of fact, you did not ask anything about any timeframe at all, because, you know the truth and you have all the details...and you know you are wrong.

There was not only a mess under the pen, it was on the wire on the bottom of the pen, where the puppies were standing/walking...apparently, it had been stepped in.


Stop making us out to be the bad guys here, you know what you have done...better than anyone else..and you know what you do and how you avoid your responsibility.

You are a joke and I have never known anyone that is so hateful and hurtful in my life. But, I won't judge you....there will be another day for that, and it won't be up to me, at that point.

Donna, you are the one that has the issues, serious issues....and you need to deal with them.

You sold me a puppy, you have an obligation to sell animals as required under NJ Consumer Law, you have the obligation to correct your mistakes and you have shown total disregard for the law.

I would think you would have wanted to know how Buster was doing..but, you resorted to immediate denial, dismissal and personal attacks.

I am so sick of your lies, I cannot even stand it anymore...don't you have puppies to take care of..don't you have a lot to do to ensure those dogs/puppies are healthy? How do you go through life making up so many stories and showing so much hate and spite? How can constantly blame others for what you have done?

Donna, you are the one with the history of lying and unethical behavior...why don't you tell everyone a little about your history..oh wait, it's none of my business (or is it?)...and it wouldn't be the truth, anyway, I believe you are incapable of telling the truth at this point, but, that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist...it doesn't mean that you can continue to live in denial and it does not mean that you can attack me just to make yourself feel better.

I do know that it is my business to ensure that this does not happen to another puppy or person, it is my business that you continue to lie and make false statements about me. I take care of my business and I will make this right.

Classic Donna..."you only bought a puppy from me" (or however you said it)...wow, that's how you really see it, isn't it?? That's it, just another puppy, just more money..no responsibility, no compassion for the puppy..I could care less if you hate me or wish me ill, I can handle it, I can speak for myself, I can tell you how I feel..the puppies had no say, they were at your mercy..it's sick and twisted, really..if you do see it the way you said it.

I take it you still do not have a kennel license?

If you would like to know anything else, you may call me. I will no longer respond to your attacks and lies. You are unbelievable...in fact, it's scary that you might actually believe your own story.

You make it sound like some extraordinary thing that the other puppies you sold were supposedly fine..well, Donna, that's the way it should be, that's the way it should have been from the beginning, that should be normal.

Please, do not claim that you know anything, because, it becomes more obvious with every ridiculous response that you do not have a clue. Apparently, an altar ego was in Court that day...perhaps, an alias received those letters that were sent..and maybe, I spoke to a person that does not even exist on the phone. Is that the problem?? You can't remember what lies you told and who you told them to?? If you don't know the answers to the questions that you have, then that is your problem. I am not avoiding anything...I think you just do not remember.

By the way, I said I fed him from a spoon, and none of these puppies ate the food you gave us...that you claimed you fed them..yes, Donna there are other issues that you don't even know about, or maybe you do..do you?? If you don't you should and you will be informed of those issues. We have taken care of our puppy, unlike you.

You can call me anytime you like if you wish to discuss this, I have a feeling it will be a much different conversation than the words you try to hide behind on here. In fact, I know it will be..without question.
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Kathrine,

I could not get in touch with Donna, I called her before she left and while she was in Florida..I finally wrote letters while continuing to call her. I sent the letters certified and regular mail. SHE DID NOT CALL ME BACK UNTIL JULY 20. SHE DID NOT RESPOND..HOW COULD I TELL HER ANYTHING, IF SHE WAS IGNORING ME? Donna admits ignoring me, from the start..she didn't care what was going on....either that or she knew that in fact, there was a problem with the puppy and she figured I would just "go away" like so many others have done. She thought I would give up...then she finally called and immediately started the accusations and "stories." Donna thought if she blamed the world, we would believe her...her credibility was already harmed after the first few days when she completely ignored us. She did the same thing to the others as well, so, that should tell you something.

If Donna had followed the law and did not sell puppies with contagious and infectious disease(s) among other issues...this would not have happened. Why don't you get that??

Donna thought she was going to get away with yet another betrayal like she had done before.

Get the facts straight, you weren't here, you don't know..so, don't bother giving me any advice

I have given the information required to the appropriate parties and then some. If this was an issue why in the world didn't Donna address it previously...I know why, because, she knows the facts, but, just cannot admit she is wrong..either that or like I say, she has completely no memory of any correspondence or that day in Court...that is not my problem. She has been told the same things over and over again.

Why did she sell sick puppies? Why did she ignore us? Why does she make false accusations against innocent people? Why didn't she give us the required documentation at time of sale, why no health records, why not even a little cooperation before it had to get to this point??? Why did she ignore NJ Consumer Law?? Why does she continue to make false statements and protest entirely too much?? Why didn't she make a simple call to see how the puppy was doing..problem or no problem, just out of common decency? Why are mine and others AKC papers bogus or non existent? Why did she blatantly lie about so many things? Why are there others that have gone through the same ordeal with Ms. Roberts? Why does Donna use five (or more) different names? Why does Donna use different phone numbers, addresses and business names?

Why am I here defending my actions?? Well, I don't mind, I have nothing to hide..I have not done anything wrong..but, why are we the ones made to look as if we are wrong? Why did my puppy have to be so sick, why did this little boy have to have parasites, a hernia, an ear infection, gastritis..etc.. etc..and things I haven't mentioned? Why doesn't Donna have a kennel license? Why.. a million things, why?? Why was Donna convicted of Animal Cruelty and found in Violation of NJ Consumer Law if she did nothing wrong??

What did any of these puppies do to deserve this??

There is absolutely no reason that this had to happen like this...this could and should have been prevented. But, when it did happen, why couldn't Donna be woman enough to own up to her actions, handle it and settle it once and for all??

These are some of the many things that do not make sense to me but, at the same time make it crystal clear who caused this mess. Donna's responses also show her lack of character, integrity, common decency and her need to place blame on everyone else. Donna's foul and abusive language and outrageous protests show the kind of person we are dealing with..no cooperation, no explanation, no remorse and hurtful, hateful, spiteful words..we certainly don't deserve this treatment.
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#166 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Animal Abuser/Lair from Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 12, 2008
Laurie get this straight if you can,

I DO NOT HAVE TO REPORT TO YOU NOR DOES BUSTER'S FATHER'S OWNER HAVE TO REPORT TO YOU. WHAT WE DO IS OUR BUSINESS NOT YOURS. ALL YOU DID WAS BUY A PUPPY FROM ME WHICH DOES NOT ENTITLE YOU TO RUN MY LIFE. GO DOMINATE YOUR HUSBAND OR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT WILL NOT WORK HERE.

The people that were here here on the 29th were here to visit, for me to show them how to groom their dog and a couple were here to buy pups, how many I sold is again none of your business.

I also can't imagine anyone seeing something awful when there is nothing to see. You claim the backyard is total dirt (lie) and you saw some poop under the puppy playpen, OH MY GOD!!!! Call the army. There's POOP. I guess Buster hasn't pooped since you got him.

You should stop your exaggerations and your LIES. It makes you look so stupid, especially to the people who know the truth. It truely shows your lack of character and really shows your ignorance.

At this time I have no puppies for sale, my females will not be bred again for about a year or more. I did sell pups after I sold you Buster and guess what not one of them had anything, all the Christmas pups, etc. had nothing, noda, all were healthy. In fact for the entire year of 2007 I only had 3 pups that had anything wrong, Buster who had cocci/giardia, Cooper that had cocci and another dog that at 8 months had diarrhea but they could not tell why.(so she bred the dog on her first heat isn't that nice so she could get her money out of the dog)

No pups had PARVO, NO pups were hospitalized, NO pups had worms, NO pups had any serious problems that would affect their wellbeing for the long term. So all in all I didn't think that to be so bad. I didn't know that the pups had the cocci or giardia but I did the best I could with the meds that were available. No one else that bought a puppy out of Buster's Litter reported a problem. I did give all the pups ALBON as a routine preventative for cocci but like the vet's state, ALBON only knocks it down so the dog can live with it normally, so I DID THE RIGHT THING, but I cannot imagine how much stress was put on Cooper and Buster to make it break out, all the rest of the pups in the litter were fine.

Laurie You need to do the right thing and leave me and my family alone. You need to tell the truth about Buster,

WE ALL KNOW THAT IF BUSTER WAS SO SICK LIKE YOU CLAIM HE NEEDED TO GO TO THE VET IMMEDIATELY NOT 10 DAYS LATER, YOU CONTINUE TO SKIRT AROUND THAT ISSUE LIKE IT WAS THE PLAGUE BUT IF YOU WANT YOUR "STORY" TO BE BELIEVED YOU NEED TO ANSWER, WHY!!! WHY DID YOU WAIT?

YOU ALSO NEED TO ANSWER WHY DIDN'T DR. HORN FIND HIM SICK AND HOSPITALIZE HIM? WHY DIDN'T SHE GIVE HIM ANTIBOTICS? FLUIDS? BECAUSE HE SURELY WOULD HAVE BEEN DEHYDRATED AT THAT POINT. THIS IS WHAT HURTS YOUR "STORY" OF TRUTH AND SUFFERING.

Do the RIGHT THING Laurie, set the "story" straight!! Come On, you don't want to be appear to be a LIAR do you?
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#165 Consumer Comment

Pathetic people

AUTHOR: Kathrine - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 11, 2008
I told Donna what happened from the moment Buster came home. ( I KNOW I read here that you didn't get in touch with Donna for about 20 days after the fact) So do you mean you told her everything at that time?

Well that was 10 days prior to taking Buster to the vet.

YOU still run around the question as to WHY you waited 10 days to take Buster to the vet. I know I would have NEVER waited for a breeder to call me back if I had to spoon feed a sickly puppy for more than ONE day. HOW SICK COULD BUSTER HAVE BEEN IF YOU WAITED 10 LONG DAYS BEFORE YOU SEEKED MEDICAL ATTENTION? Remember your the one saying from the MOMENT you brought Buster home he was sick!

What if Donna plainly didn't have the money to pay you back? She did say she was sorry several times didn't she?
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#164 Author of original report

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AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 11, 2008
Reiska,

I'm not trying to be hero, I am trying to get the issues dealt with according to the laws of NJ..the laws that Donna did not and will not follow.

Why is it so wrong to do the right thing?? Please, do not tell me what or what not to do until you have walked in my shoes.

I appreciate what you did for your Cat, that is wonderful....I am doing the right thing for my Puppy with all the passion and kindness that you showed your Cat. I am sure you did everything to make the Cat well and I am sure not everyone would understand that, but, if you believe in something..then it's worth every second to make it right.

This situation is not as "simple" as some try to make it out to be, just keep that in mind, please.


We are in no way "new" to animals, at all...I never had a puppy/dog with parasites and/or any of the other issues that Buster had when we purchased him.

It's unreal to me that it seems ok for Donna to accuse me of animal abuse, when she was the one that was CONVICTED of ANIMAL CRUELTY, and does not have the flawless reputation that she leads you to believe.
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#163 Author of original report

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AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 11, 2008


Kathrine,

I have stated that Donna needs to pay the Vet bills, stop the nonsense, admit her mistakes and make sure no other puppies are sick. That is why Consumer Affairs was notified and found her in Violation for not abiding by the law, which clearly states her responsibility.
It is not about the money, it is about why the money had to be spent in the first place...getting the puppy well, making sure other puppies are not sick and Donna following the law.
You can find the NJ Consumer Law very easily.

You do not know what we went through and I hope you never have to experience anything like this...ever.

I told Donna what happened from the moment Buster came home..I told Consumer Affairs in the letters that Donna and I have both written/received. I told the Judge while Donna was sitting 3 ft. away from me. Donna was able to ask each of us questions after the Prosecutor asked..she had plenty of time and opportunity....it's funny how she never mentioned it until now. It seems to me that she obviously understood everything I said, that day.
Donna questioned each buyer, she was not rushed...after all, we were there for 6 hours that day, don't you think that is more than enough time????

A special session was called on Dec. 21, 2007 for that case and only that case...we were the only ones in the building, we had their full attention. Donna had more than enough time to prepare, as the case had already been delayed a few times prior to Dec. 21. The case was postponed for months...there was no excuse for anything to be forgotten or left out. Everyone was prepared and answered every question completely.

Donna has shown complete disregard for all of us and made a simple request to follow the law, into the end of the world for her...like it never happened to her before...as if we are ruining her life. Well, what about the puppies that suffered needlessly. THIS COULD HAVE AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED..in the first place. Our lives certainly were in turmoil.

When the issues arose, Donna should have addressed them and taken care of it, instead of ignoring us...then attacking us and everyone else and making false allegations.

This could have been settled months ago, in fact, it would have been much easier for Donna if she had cooperated from the start.

I will do whatever it takes to make this right, I'm sure you would if it happened to you. I will write a million replies, I will do anything within my legal rights.


Donna,

You're unbelievable, the stories amaze me, truly. Now, Buster's Dad is gone..that's ironic, also, the fact you never mentioned that previously.

It is not just parasites, although, by you saying "only parasites" it gives us a good idea of your lack of true concern. I have spoken to many breeders, they do not share your opinions at all.

You continue to misquote information and make up things as you go. I'm sorry you do not understand things, I have tried to explain it to you.

You did not give a discount, your ad stated $650-$1500, older puppies were $650, they were even ads after we bought Buster with the same prices. Are you saying all puppies that were $650 had hernias?? You never told us about any hernia or any other issues.

Don't you worry about how I take care of my puppy..you need to worry about not selling puppies with contagious/infectious disease, hernias, ear infections and other issues. You need to worry about spreading false allegations against innocent people, just because things have caught up to you...it's not our fault...right is right, Donna, there is no other way.

Did anyone else buy a puppy on June 29th? Are you absolutely certain no one else saw what we saw? Because, I know for a fact others did...it's not my imagination. Also, others that purchased puppies before us and after us..saw some awful things, even worse than what we saw. Fourteen people at your house in one day, you sure did have an excessive amount of puppies for sale it seems. That is a very interesting addition to your story.

I have asked for health certification for the parents and the puppies, several times,why is that so difficult? It seems we always get another story and the run-around from you.

It's just ridiculous at this point. Have you forgotten what I said?? I will not continue repeating myself.

I do not need any recommendations from you, as I find you less than credible.

Did you get the kennel license, yet? I sincerely hope this isn't continuing to happen.
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AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 11, 2008


Kathrine,

I have stated that Donna needs to pay the Vet bills, stop the nonsense, admit her mistakes and make sure no other puppies are sick. That is why Consumer Affairs was notified and found her in Violation for not abiding by the law, which clearly states her responsibility.
It is not about the money, it is about why the money had to be spent in the first place...getting the puppy well, making sure other puppies are not sick and Donna following the law.
You can find the NJ Consumer Law very easily.

You do not know what we went through and I hope you never have to experience anything like this...ever.

I told Donna what happened from the moment Buster came home..I told Consumer Affairs in the letters that Donna and I have both written/received. I told the Judge while Donna was sitting 3 ft. away from me. Donna was able to ask each of us questions after the Prosecutor asked..she had plenty of time and opportunity....it's funny how she never mentioned it until now. It seems to me that she obviously understood everything I said, that day.
Donna questioned each buyer, she was not rushed...after all, we were there for 6 hours that day, don't you think that is more than enough time????

A special session was called on Dec. 21, 2007 for that case and only that case...we were the only ones in the building, we had their full attention. Donna had more than enough time to prepare, as the case had already been delayed a few times prior to Dec. 21. The case was postponed for months...there was no excuse for anything to be forgotten or left out. Everyone was prepared and answered every question completely.

Donna has shown complete disregard for all of us and made a simple request to follow the law, into the end of the world for her...like it never happened to her before...as if we are ruining her life. Well, what about the puppies that suffered needlessly. THIS COULD HAVE AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED..in the first place. Our lives certainly were in turmoil.

When the issues arose, Donna should have addressed them and taken care of it, instead of ignoring us...then attacking us and everyone else and making false allegations.

This could have been settled months ago, in fact, it would have been much easier for Donna if she had cooperated from the start.

I will do whatever it takes to make this right, I'm sure you would if it happened to you. I will write a million replies, I will do anything within my legal rights.


Donna,

You're unbelievable, the stories amaze me, truly. Now, Buster's Dad is gone..that's ironic, also, the fact you never mentioned that previously.

It is not just parasites, although, by you saying "only parasites" it gives us a good idea of your lack of true concern. I have spoken to many breeders, they do not share your opinions at all.

You continue to misquote information and make up things as you go. I'm sorry you do not understand things, I have tried to explain it to you.

You did not give a discount, your ad stated $650-$1500, older puppies were $650, they were even ads after we bought Buster with the same prices. Are you saying all puppies that were $650 had hernias?? You never told us about any hernia or any other issues.

Don't you worry about how I take care of my puppy..you need to worry about not selling puppies with contagious/infectious disease, hernias, ear infections and other issues. You need to worry about spreading false allegations against innocent people, just because things have caught up to you...it's not our fault...right is right, Donna, there is no other way.

Did anyone else buy a puppy on June 29th? Are you absolutely certain no one else saw what we saw? Because, I know for a fact others did...it's not my imagination. Also, others that purchased puppies before us and after us..saw some awful things, even worse than what we saw. Fourteen people at your house in one day, you sure did have an excessive amount of puppies for sale it seems. That is a very interesting addition to your story.

I have asked for health certification for the parents and the puppies, several times,why is that so difficult? It seems we always get another story and the run-around from you.

It's just ridiculous at this point. Have you forgotten what I said?? I will not continue repeating myself.

I do not need any recommendations from you, as I find you less than credible.

Did you get the kennel license, yet? I sincerely hope this isn't continuing to happen.
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AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, April 11, 2008


Kathrine,

I have stated that Donna needs to pay the Vet bills, stop the nonsense, admit her mistakes and make sure no other puppies are sick. That is why Consumer Affairs was notified and found her in Violation for not abiding by the law, which clearly states her responsibility.
It is not about the money, it is about why the money had to be spent in the first place...getting the puppy well, making sure other puppies are not sick and Donna following the law.
You can find the NJ Consumer Law very easily.

You do not know what we went through and I hope you never have to experience anything like this...ever.

I told Donna what happened from the moment Buster came home..I told Consumer Affairs in the letters that Donna and I have both written/received. I told the Judge while Donna was sitting 3 ft. away from me. Donna was able to ask each of us questions after the Prosecutor asked..she had plenty of time and opportunity....it's funny how she never mentioned it until now. It seems to me that she obviously understood everything I said, that day.
Donna questioned each buyer, she was not rushed...after all, we were there for 6 hours that day, don't you think that is more than enough time????

A special session was called on Dec. 21, 2007 for that case and only that case...we were the only ones in the building, we had their full attention. Donna had more than enough time to prepare, as the case had already been delayed a few times prior to Dec. 21. The case was postponed for months...there was no excuse for anything to be forgotten or left out. Everyone was prepared and answered every question completely.

Donna has shown complete disregard for all of us and made a simple request to follow the law, into the end of the world for her...like it never happened to her before...as if we are ruining her life. Well, what about the puppies that suffered needlessly. THIS COULD HAVE AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED..in the first place. Our lives certainly were in turmoil.

When the issues arose, Donna should have addressed them and taken care of it, instead of ignoring us...then attacking us and everyone else and making false allegations.

This could have been settled months ago, in fact, it would have been much easier for Donna if she had cooperated from the start.

I will do whatever it takes to make this right, I'm sure you would if it happened to you. I will write a million replies, I will do anything within my legal rights.


Donna,

You're unbelievable, the stories amaze me, truly. Now, Buster's Dad is gone..that's ironic, also, the fact you never mentioned that previously.

It is not just parasites, although, by you saying "only parasites" it gives us a good idea of your lack of true concern. I have spoken to many breeders, they do not share your opinions at all.

You continue to misquote information and make up things as you go. I'm sorry you do not understand things, I have tried to explain it to you.

You did not give a discount, your ad stated $650-$1500, older puppies were $650, they were even ads after we bought Buster with the same prices. Are you saying all puppies that were $650 had hernias?? You never told us about any hernia or any other issues.

Don't you worry about how I take care of my puppy..you need to worry about not selling puppies with contagious/infectious disease, hernias, ear infections and other issues. You need to worry about spreading false allegations against innocent people, just because things have caught up to you...it's not our fault...right is right, Donna, there is no other way.

Did anyone else buy a puppy on June 29th? Are you absolutely certain no one else saw what we saw? Because, I know for a fact others did...it's not my imagination. Also, others that purchased puppies before us and after us..saw some awful things, even worse than what we saw. Fourteen people at your house in one day, you sure did have an excessive amount of puppies for sale it seems. That is a very interesting addition to your story.

I have asked for health certification for the parents and the puppies, several times,why is that so difficult? It seems we always get another story and the run-around from you.

It's just ridiculous at this point. Have you forgotten what I said?? I will not continue repeating myself.

I do not need any recommendations from you, as I find you less than credible.

Did you get the kennel license, yet? I sincerely hope this isn't continuing to happen.
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#160 Consumer Comment

Laurie, sweetie

AUTHOR: Reiska - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 10, 2008
I want you to know Buster is by no way abused.

I have seen abused animals and it has broken my heart, animals who have been burned by their owners, animals who have been beaten and bashed for no reason. I've heard a story where a kitten was thrown out to be a pitbull's chew toy after a husband got mad at his wife.

This is no way close to the treatment Donna is giving them, Donna is a caring being.

I own an abused animal myself, he arrived on our doorstep one day, eating grass. We put food out for him, he ate happily, I petted him and he purred, so we decided to take him to a vet that day and get him checked out.

He weighed less than two pounds, as a full grown cat. When he came to us, he was little more than the large, furry tail he carried.

Its been two years since that day in winter. He has grown into a handsome cat, I would guess he is four. He iis well fed, happy and playful again, unlike that pathetic creature we picked up off our front yard. We gave him surgery to get him fixed and to fix a hernia (his previous owners, whoever had him, didn't), and over time he has become less scared of humans, he has become less scared of being on our beds (where we let our other two cats sleep) and will no longer run off of them and out of rooms when we enter.

He is a handsome, black cat with a white star on his forehead, and his name is Tails, both after that defining feature we saw on him that winter day, and after a character of a game series.

Laurie, Buster didn't sound abused, not in the least, so please, back this issue off. Stop trying to be the hero. I understand you are maybe new to animals, and maybe do not quite understand the does and don'ts. Look past the parasites, look past all current troubles, to a future relationship you two can have together.
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#159 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser/Liar from Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 09, 2008
Oh one more thing, Walter bought a sibling to Buster (see post) He was there on June 29 with his sister, and for me to show him how to trim his dog's feet. All in all there was about 14 people who were at my house that day and none of them "saw" what you did. That is so strange, isn't it?
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#158 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser from Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 09, 2008
Laurie you can BUY all the info you need from AKC, they sell pedigrees on the pups that are registered (a pedigree is the family tree in case you don't know)

Dr. Clinton can do the CERF testing on Buster, it's $100.00 so make your appt.

Any money you feel I owe you take it out of the $300.00 discount I gave you.

I sincerely am SORRY that Buster had the two parasites, if I had known he had them I wouldn't have sold him. And that is the TRUTH.

Like I said before if it doesn't have my name on it I didn't write it. Believe it or not there are people out there that LIKE ME. All your slander will not change that. Once people understand this is all over parasites they can't believe it. Your own vet, Dr. Horn didn't feel it was a BIG DEAL!!

The owner of Buster's dad moved to Washington State and we are out of touch at this time. As far as me giving you anything more the answer is NO!! You feel that you don't have to answer anybody's questions so why should anybody do anything for you? Had you been a decient person perhaps this would be different but we all know the answer to that. You love conflict and hurting people that you cannot dominate.
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#157 Consumer Comment

Trying again

AUTHOR: Kathrine - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, April 08, 2008
Laurie, seems to me you always have to get the last word in. Why is that? Do the right thing is what you continue to say. You mean pay you the money? I thought this wasn't about the money. Sincere apologies was acceptable to you, that's what you said you wanted, you state that in your own words previously.

I don't think writing is getting either one of you anywhere.

Just out of curiosity I still wonder WHY it took you 10 LONG days to take poor sick Buster to the vet.

I am NOT Donna as you think, or have any affiliations to her or Laurie. I sure hope my grammar is proof of that and acceptable to all that read this. LOL


Also Laurie what did you mean by saying (However, I will do whatever it takes..)? To do WHAT?

AGIAN I still wonder WHY it took you 10 LONG days to take poor sick Buster to the vet.
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#156 Author of original report

update

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, April 08, 2008
Donna, stop writing your own reviews, it is so obvious that it is you!! If Walter is an Esq. that is frightening as he cannot spell very well either and uses poor grammar just like you..Donna!

It is also obvious that you are making up things as you go...you write the same things that you have written under your "name" then make up more outrageous stories as you go...why wouldn't some of these facts have been relevant to you previously?? Wait, let me guess...you forgot..right?

I would like to know the name of the owner of Buster's Dad, perhaps, she will forward me the documentation I requested. Your sales agreement is not a legal document.

If you so willingly offer the documentation to buyers, why didn't you even mention it? You seemed to like us well enough to take our money and barely answer my questions..you seemed thrilled to put that money toward your "tax bill."

How could you forget that (all of a sudden) you don't own Buster's Dad?? It is frightening how much you do not remember. I would think it would have been much easier for you to write the correct names, after all, Buster was the only sable puppy. Or, do you just have so many that you can't keep track?

I would love to know where the Parents of the puppies came from..a little history would have been nice. But, you have decided to give us absolutely NOTHING. I find that suspicious and unprofessional.

Why did the Health Dept and the Judge mention that you did not have a Supervising Vet, then??

Amazing to me that all of a sudden, "Walter" was there on the same day...what puppies were there when he was there..which one did he buy??? Why didn't "he" mention that previously?? It just seems too strange to me!!

Don't bother answering this..nothing you say makes any sense!! I know the facts about Coccidia, Giardia..and all the other issues Buster had...perhaps, you need a refresher course.

If you are not going to settle this, then there is nothing more to say on this report. I have had my share of lies, deceit and personal attacks from you.

However, I will do whatever it takes..this never should have happened. I wish you would realize that and take care of your business instead of bashing me and making up lie upon lie about me.

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#155 Consumer Comment

Donna Roberts is a Wonderful Breeder

AUTHOR: Walter, Esq. - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 06, 2008
I bought a beautiful puppy from Donna Roberts and I called Donna this weekend and ordered another for myself and one for my sister from Donna's next litter. I had absolutely no problems with my pup, she is smart and was a dream to train.

I bought my pup from Ms. Roberts at the Shamong House. The place was clean and her backyard is all grass, no dirt what so ever. Why anyone would say the backyard is all dirt is blind. The surroundings were clean and when I was there two puppies did their business and Donna just cleaned it up. News Flash!! THAT'S WHAT PUPPIES DO, THEY EAT, SLEEP, PLAY AND POOP. If you cannot understand that you shouldn't own a dog.

I saw the small kennel building that has large and clean runs off the sides. The adult stud dogs are kept there as are a few older females. The pups and their mothers are kept inside the house with the family. They have the run of the house and the pups are in the family room. It was all clean.

Ms. Roberts was pleasant and answered all our questions. We recieved the CERFS on the parents and the Health Record. We had bought a Havanese prior to this from a breeder in the Cape May area that we had to bring back, she had a grade 5 heart murmer so we were being careful to say the least. When we bought that pup we didn't get anything except the reg. papers and she said our check was the reciept. So we were thrilled to get a sales agreement, shot record and feeding instructions. We even got a care package with food and more info to read.

Ms. Roberts has been breeding dogs along time (40 years) and as in any endeaver there will always be a couple clients not happy about something, it goes with the law of averages. Why anyone would take a puppy having a couple parasites to this level of spite is uncalledfor and uncivil. Thoughout this whole website Ms. Roberts defends herself and her family against the hatred of this person, it is plain to see that no matter what Ms. Roberts says or does is not good enough. I for one will continue to support the wonderful breeder of our puppy and look forward to the new babies.

I would also like to say I was at Ms. Roberts house on June 29, 2007 at 3 pm and nothing was what Laurie says it was.

Donna add me and my family to your list of supports. Just let us know if you need us for anything. Hang in there and God Bless
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#154 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Puppy Abuser

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 05, 2008
Oh also for your information. I do not own the father to Buster, he belongs to a friend of mine. His call name is also Toby. As far as the cerfs, they are not required by consumer law to be handed out, I do it as a Courtesy. The Health/shot record you received is precise and correct. That is the only record required by Law. I did not need another Health Certificate because of the waiver signed.

Buster NEVER was sick in my care from the day he was born so I DID NOT KNOW HE HAD ANY PARASITES WHEN HE WAS SOLD. So GET OVER IT!! There was only two pups in that litter that came up with them, the rest of the litter was fine, why was that? What did you do to the pup to cause that much stress for him?

The Shamong backyard is the same as when you were here as can be proven by many people so don't go there, the State and the County Board of Health were here three weeks after you bought Buster so they can also testify as to how the backyard was, they found nothing wrong. As far a supervising vet, it's not needed unless there is a kennel license involved. There is no dog limit in Shamong so having 16 dogs is legal and I have three vets that oversee my dogs and my puppies when I have them. So take your bullcrap and shove it. If you were so Happy in your pitiful life then you wouldn't be harassing me and my family. now would you!!! Liar!
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#153 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Dream On Animal Abuser

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 05, 2008
I did nothing to you or anyone else. And FYI puppies can get the parasites from their Mother, and the Mother can check clear until she is under the the stress of birth. Do YOU understand that? It's not something a breeder can know, we do not shove the parasite down the pups throat. Now do you understand why Dr. Horn doesn't consider a pup with a parasite a sick dog. had you got off your high horse and listened to your vet all this wouldn't have happened. Buster was given ALBON three times before you got him and hopefully as you know now it does not kill the parasite it knocks it doan so the pup can live with it.

As far as papers, yes I wrote the wrong call names on your contract, I was upset and didn't like the vibes I got from you and your Husband. I almost told you both to take a walk. I named him Toby. He and Cooper are brothers so can your bullsh**. You both got the correct AKC papers.

I have the letter that you wrote about my shed and all the other lies so you better look them over, it is you that is FORGETTING WHAT YOU SAID AND WROTE.
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#152 Author of original report

Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese, do the right thing, once and for all!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, April 05, 2008


I can back up everything I say or I never would have said it..unlike you, you have changed your story so many times.

I thought Toby was Cooper's Dad..and supposedly Buster's Dad? Remember, you admitted writing the wrong names (Mandy and Panda) as Buster's Parent's? Then you said, they were the same as Cooper's which would be Toby and Lady. Ok, so which is it now? You said Buster was named "Toby"...but, earlier you said Toby was Buster's Dad...see, how confusing you make things..can you keep up with your story???? How many dogs do you have?? I NEVER said you had dogs in any shed..that was not me..it was someone else..please, don't blame ME for everything and all of your mistakes.

Cerf's with the dogs? None of us got Cerfs with our puppies..the Cerf's for the Parent's, of course..or any other health information (which I requested several times) about the Parent's and only a roughly kept shot record, which makes me wonder..since you couldn't even remember who Buster's Parent's are, then how do we know that those shots were actually given to him? Sounds like a serious issue to me.

I put that information on here as a guide to help others, I found that information informative when I read it and wanted to pass it along to others. I did not claim to be an "expert"..sorry, if that hit a nerve or two with you...and the words in black and white clarify the point even more.

So, Buster did have parasites and you treated him for them, that's what you're saying? You have said that several times. Puppies are not born with Coccidia or Giardia...I am curious to know why all your puppies were getting this "treatment"? How old was Buster when you "treated" him?

Donna, we were at your house in Shamong in June 07, it is very likely that it does not look the same...in fact, I hope it doesn't look the same. Of course, it is different. Did you get a kennel license yet? That is now required, correct?

I am sorry that you sold us a puppy with Giardia, Coccidia, an Umbilical Hernia, a Yeast Infection in both ears which made him predisposed to have other issues, (including the Gastritis, as he was trying to get well) before he even got a chance to be a normal puppy. I am not sorry that I have Buster and I am not sorry that I met you..it has taught me a valuable lesson and given me the opportunity to help make a difference. I am sorry that you cannot admit your mistakes and follow the law..and I am sorry that Buster isn't the only sick puppy you sold. Those are the things that matter, that is what is important.

Can't wait to hear your excuse for this new contradiction in your story!

By the way, I already explained everything to you, why don't you understand..remember in Court and the letters, etc??? I told you what happened the day we got home, the next day, etc...etc...

I don't appreciate your foul mouth and personal attacks, it certainly shows the type of person you are, though!

Thanks for bringing that all out in the open..and then some, you have made things much easier for me..now...pay the Vet bills and follow proper procedures..and send me the Vet. documentation..did a Vet ever examine these puppies??? Where's the proof??? I have asked you that a hundred times...and still nothing!! Health Dept. said you didn't have a Vet..remember that??

Donna, do you truly realize what you have done??? If you had a so called "contract" which it actually is not and is not a legal document, but, if you thought it was..why didn't YOU sign it??? Why didn't you give us the Right to Know info..etc???

I frankly don't care what you think about me...I live peacefully, happy and with confidence knowing I did the right thing.
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#151 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie It is illegal to make false staements

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 02, 2008
Oh Laurie did you learn something, it is illegal to make false statements and you made a whole lot of them that you can not back up right down to the "dirt' in my back yard. You should have been more careful. That is why I had the buyers of my last two pups meet me in Shamong so they could see where you came to buy Buster so they could testify about my "conditions and Dirt, etc." Both of them could not see or understand how you could say the things you said especially in your letters to BBB and AKC. I even gave them a tour of my "storage shed" you know the one you claimed was filled with dogs. Your pack of lies will get you in the end. So maybe you should listen to what you are preaching. I am not lying on bit. If it walks like a duck, its a duck, If it lets a puppy suffer for 10 days its an ANIMAL ABUSER. That is you by the way.
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#150 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 02, 2008
Laurie you are the one who wrote to Consumer Affairs, BBB, AKC, SPCA etc. NOT ME. I did not do anything except defend myself and believe me I could have done without court, you drug me there also. So no matter what I say here I am telling the truth, you are not. Telling the truth doesn't make me look bad, not for one minute, by now everyone who is reading this should be able to see the truth, that you are a liar. Nowhere in this post have you answered one question or explained yourself. Why did you wait 10 days to take the puppy to the vet, animal abuser?
A sick pup needs vet attention right away not 10 days later, you abused my puppy that is the truth. Right?

I do not have the time to harass anyone not like you. And stop worring about my character by now she is fed up with you too. so she and I will say what we please and you can do what you want with it. Its the truth according to your own words, you abused my puppy, so now you say I am falsely accusing you, How can that be? You are the one who by your own words let a sick puppy suffer for 10 days, SHAME ON YOU!
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#149 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Is Now an expert on Dog Breeding

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 02, 2008
Now you are passing yourself off as the Guru of Dog Breeding. Hey how many Champions do you have to your credit? What is a 5 pt. major and why?

Laurie I have been breeding dogs for 40 years, have finished Champions in the United States (5) and in Canada (8) so don't preach to me.

I have paid more some dogs that most people would pay for a car so that I would have good breeding stock. I only bred a female three times and most of the time I skip one or two heats in between. I still am in contact with many buyers from years ago all because I washed my hands of you does not make me a bad breeder. You are a rotten person, who thinks everyone owes you something. I owe you nothing and you can run your mouth till the cows come home I still owe you nothing.

My dogs are cared for, I do not breed anything related, I watch my dogs very carefully, I amke sure they are vetted and I do all the testing that is required for this breed. I use Dr. Clinton for my eye CERFS. and my regular vets test patellas and hearing. I have all the papers needed. When someone comes to buy a puppy I give them copies of the CERFS of the parents. This by the way is not mandatory, I do it because I want to. Most of my buyers are caring and treat me with respect as they know the work involved in breeding dogs. I also am a dog groomer by profession and all my dogs get groomed every two weeks. I have had former buyers come for me to show them how to groom there dogs and I do it for free.

I don't like you Laurie, I never did since the first time I met you. you have a bad aura around yourself, I didn't really want to sell you MY Toby, but I did and I am so sorry that I did but that doesn't mean I have to kiss your as*. I am also a very busy person and most people respect that, while I am very happy to hear from the buyers of my puppies I also respect them and their time, no I do not impose on them, if they need me I am always there if they leave a message I will call them back. I babysit my pups when needed and have several longterm relationships (over 10 years) with some of my buyers. I have always treated people as I would want to be treated unless they jump in my FACE then its all over, I do not deal with that type of idiot and never will.

I have Havanese dogs from the finest breeding possible and all my dogs have checked clear. I have two imports from Hungary that are drop dead beautiful, that is why Buster is such a wonderful dog, he was correctly bred and cared for.

When you have bred as long and as much as I have then you can talk until then shut your mouth because you have no idea what so ever what you are talking about. Listen to your own words, Breeders should tell you what problems they have had because they all have problems then in another breath a breeder should have no problems and if they did its their fault. How is a puppy having a parasite that it got medicine for three times previous and showed no signs of still having this parasite the fault of the breeder? Oh I'm sorry I forgot you don't answer any questions! So take your lecture and shove it, do the right thing Laurie, get over it and yourself.
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#148 Author of original report

NJ Consumer Law regarding the sale of pets

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 02, 2008
Donna, the right thing is: Follow NJ Consumer Law regarding the sale of pets, admit and fix your "errors" and disregard for the law, puppies and us...and please do not let this happen to any other puppy.

No contact, except this web site??? No phone calls, letters (personal and via Consumer Affairs) and no Court??? I would consider that contact!!!


Don't you realize the more derogatory remarks you make about me..the worse it makes you look? Don't you know it reflects right back on you and your character?

Don't you know it is illegal to make false allegations about someone and then "advertise" it?? You are doing more harm to yourself, this was an opportunity to fix things.
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#147 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser in Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 02, 2008
I think you should change your name to Helen, because you are blind and deaf. Oh my God, there I go again. My character is acting up because she is so over the bullcrap you shovel out.

I did not sell Buster with any diseases. I sold him UNKNOWINGLY with 2 parasites, big difference. SO YOU GET OFF IT!!!

You got all the PROPER DOCUMENTATION required by LAW-Health Record. Look again in the Consumer Law it says nothing about anything else.

Are you so cheap you can't get Buster CERFED?

you are the one in denial. You are the one slandering and lieing.

You got everything required by Law and I followed the Law as I knew it to be, READ YOUR SALES AGREEMENT----it's in there.

And don't kid yourself nothing would be any different because you didn't get a free puppy like you wanted from the beginning.

As far as disregard for my puppies, no way, I take care of my puppies, Buster was never sick when I had him, it was you who made him sick!!!!!

All because the "Law" isn't in your favor because Dr. Horn didn't find Buster sick at all. So I don't see Dr. Horn backing your sorry sick puppy story, DO YOU ??
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#146 Author of original report

Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese NJ! This would have made a difference! Something to think about!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 02, 2008



The difference..one of many!!!

The following is a guide to help buyers planning to purchase a puppy from a breeder. I found it interesting and enlightening. I do not want anyone to go through the things that so many of us have..I do not want the suffering to continue for innocent puppies and their families.

This is for informational purposes only, I hope you find it useful. These are things that you must take seriously. Please, don't make the same mistake that we have made. In my opinion, many of these points were lacking or non-existent in the choice that we made. I sincerely hope that others will take away a valuable lesson. I wish you all the best.

Thank you to all the responsible breeders that follow the procedures below and are doing things correctly (legally) and for the right reasons:

To get a good dog breed, one has to continuously monitor the life style and habits of the dogs. Only when the parent dogs genetic makeup is of superior quality, it must be chosen for mating so that good dogs are produced. A dog breeders job is very tedious. The dog breeder must have lot of patience. Dog breeding requires a lot of observation time.

Dog Breeders must be honest to their trade. Good-natured dog breeders will always try to produce healthy dogs with good nature and temperament. Some dog breeders without any dedication and moral standards do not bother about quality and good breeds, their only aim is to produce more litters for monetary gain. They are very bad dog breeders. These bad dog breeders do not have any ethics except making more money in short time for which they go to any extent without any consideration to dog breeding and its ultimate life pattern.

Often overlooked, but important - do you like the breeder? Will you feel comfortable relying on this person as a resource to help you if you ever run into problems with your puppy? If you feel that the breeder is abrasive, rude, ignorant, or otherwise disagreeable, look elsewhere to buy your puppy. One of the greatest advantages of buying from a breeder is the support and assistance they can offer you throughout your dog's life.

Do not let the initial purchase be the end of your relationship with your breeder. The breeder is an extremely valuable source of information. They can help with grooming and feeding information. They can re-assure you that certain behaviors are typical for the breed or puppies in general. Breeders want to hear how their pups are doing. (the good and the bad so do not be shy about keeping in touch)

Please understand the breeders have a significant investment of themselves in the pups they breed and just want to make sure that everything is going smoothly. The breeder is there to help before minor irritants become a major problem. If your dog develops any type of health problem do let the breeder know so they are aware of the problem and can take proper steps to alert other puppy buyers with related pups.

A good dog breeder considers the puppies they produce to be their responsibility for the life of that puppy, so they follow-up frequently to see what's going on.

The good breeder will allow you to contact him after the purchase and will support you if youve got any problems or questions with your puppy or dog.

Please think seriously about this, because your decision to buy from a particular person will affect future dogs and their owners. Whoever you buy from will most likely breed again -- because you have rewarded him with money. Don't encourage irresponsible or unknowledgeable people to keep doing what they're doing. Buy only from someone who has done all the right things. Someone who deserves to be rewarded and encouraged.

Good breeders think ahead and make reservations in advance for the puppies they will produce. You may have to wait for a puppy, but that's not a bad thing. Beware of someone who first creates puppies and then worries about how to disperse them.


Will the breeder provide you with the names of their veterinarian and several past purchasers to serve as references? If given a choice, request pet references. Certainly a professional trainer will be able to handle a tough puppy, but what about a family with three kids and a cat? If the latter just loves the temperament of their dog, that speaks volumes. Ask the breeder about the homes that haven't worked out. There are bound to be some. Is the breeder honest that they made a poor placement, sympathetic to someone who underwent a life change that necessitated returning a dog, blunt that they produced a problem dog... or is the breeder bitter and accusatory about the person who bought the dog? Beware of the narrow-minded breeder who places blame on everyone but themselves.

How many breeds is this person breeding? Ideally, someone will have a special interest in only one breed (perhaps two). A Jack-of-all-Breeds truly is a master of none. How many litters does the breeder have in any given year? A good breeder may breed one or two litters, or may not breed at all for a year or more between litters. More is never better. Anyone who is producing a large number of dogs is probably doing it at the expense of quality.

Be wary of anyone that has more than two to three litters a year as the norm. Litters take a lot of time and money. Someone that breeds more frequently may not be devoting the amount of time to properly raising each litter and screening prospective buyers. A responsible breeder will not breed a female or male before they are mature enough which should never be before they are old enough to have proper health testing completed. You should also be concerned if the breeder breeds their female every heat. Responsible breeders will wait a cycle in between breeding. This allows the female proper time to rest between litters. In addition, look at the quality of females they breed their stud dogs to, a responsible breeder will look for the same criteria in outside females that come to their male as they do in their own females for planning a breeding.

Are the breeder's dogs screened for genetic health defects like hip dysplasia, eye disorders, hypothyroidism, Von Willebrand's disease, epilepsy, cardiac conditions, and anything else that is common in the breed? Can they provide you with proof, e.g., CERF and OFA certification and other relevant veterinary documentation? A good breeder will welcome your concern and be glad to offer the requested information - beware of anyone who is defensive! An excellent breeder will candidly discuss the health of their line of dogs, including the problems that have cropped up. Even good breeders can produce unhealthy dogs on occasion. The difference is that the good breeder is on a mission to find and remove those genetic influences from their breeding lines.The irresponsible breeder approaches health in a haphazard manner. A good breeder can show you the pedigree and health certificates of all his dogs.

Be sure to inquire about any health problems in the breed you have chosen. Any responsible breeder should be screening their stock for any problems prevalent in their breed and refrain from breeding any dog that displays the problem or is a known carrier for it. The breeder should be willing to provide you with copies of health testing records. Other families members, such as grand-parents, siblings, and other relatives, should also be clear of known health problems.

Does your breeder respect veterinarians, trainers, groomers, breeders, and other peer professionals in the dog world? Beware of breeders who are paranoid or hostile towards other professionals. One cannot operate competently in a vacuum, and in general, good breeders are socially well-networked. They are liked, like others, and respect competent professionals in their field. A good breeder should make the effort to know other good breeders (especially of their own breed). It is important for a breeder to strive to improve their knowledge and understanding of their breed and submit to peer critique, even if it is not necessarily formalized (as in the show ring).

A compassionate breeder will have questions for you. They will want to know why you desire this particular breed of puppy. They will ask whether you have other pets or small children in the home. They will question whether you have an established relationship with a veterinarian, a yard, and how often the dog will be alone. They will wonder where the pup will be kept, whether you are aware of the grooming required, and whether you will spay or neuter, or plan to breed the dog. If a breeder's biggest concern is "Cash or check?" go elsewhere.

Please, be aware that there are certainly less than reputable breeders out there. In reality, you could almost call them puppy mill owners, although many run their operations in homes that appear up to par at first glance. However, a breeder who relentlessly forces his or her dogs to breed and seems to always have a new batch of puppies that they are desperate to sell is a good indicator of an abusive situation. Excessive breeding may not be healthy for the female canine, and even purebred puppies may have a hard time finding a home when there is a surplus.

Are they asking you any questions that might indicate their concern for the puppy's well being? Are the puppies already born? What is the age of the puppies?(Puppies that are under six weeks old should never be separated from their mothers, and those who are much older than eight to ten weeks might still be there due to the breeder's irresponsible methods of finding homes). What kind of food is being fed to the mother and the pups? Does each puppy have up to date shots? How is the mother being treated, and what are her living conditions like? How open is the breeder to allowing you to find these answers on your own (without relying on their promises)? Whatever you should decide to do, there are several steps that you must take to ensure that you are not contributing to a problem or abusive situation.

Always do your research on the breeder in question, and scrutinize their adoption procedures and the conditions that the dogs and puppies are living in. This way, you can rest assured that you are purchasing your new dog from a breeder who is as concerned with its health and happiness as you are.

With all that being said, I will rest my case and continue in a different direction, since I am not getting any cooperation from Donna Roberts. It is useless to continue trying when Donna continues to respond with all of these hurtful, hateful, untrue not to mention misleading responses. I wish to direct my energy toward good and more positive things and I know, the truth will prevail and justice will be served. Donna.... say what you want...I do believe that somewhere in your conscience you do know the truth, at least I will give you the benefit of the doubt..that..you do know and you just cannot admit it...that you are in too deep and have made all these statements and you can't turn back now. That is something you will have to live with, and that's a shame. I gave you the chance to fix it, now, the opportunity to do that here, is gone...I gave you ample opportunity on here, more than enough time. We have waited almost 9 months in total for a resolution.

You continue to degrade yourself..it's sad but, very telling!! We didn't do anything wrong, the Vet did not do anything wrong and if you do not have the information and answers that you want..well, then you better go back to June, 29, 2007! You ignored us from the moment we left your house, apparently, you were not going to be available for anything at all...I called (before "Florida") you never answered...how is that explained?? Do you live in Shamong "again" or still.... you said you live in Howell now?? The people that recently purchased puppies were in Shamong, correct? More and more contradictions..I guess it's second nature for you, by now.

How many of the above mentioned procedures can you honestly say you truly follow...how many of the procedures are normal practice for you?

Think long and hard..sit back, reflect and try for once to be honest with yourself and everyone else!! I know you weren't doing it THEN and that's another difference..how about NOW??

Here's the thing, I can almost anticipate your next response, ridiculous and accusatory as ever, I am sure!
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#145 Author of original report

Donna Roberts convicted of Animal Cruelty, Shady Oak Havanese, NJ Havanese Breeder

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 02, 2008
Class act, Donna...you sound worse by the day, if that's possible!! I have all the proof I need and more.

Do you understand that from the day we got Buster you did not follow NJ Consumer Law? Do you get that??

Do you understand you sold Buster with a contagious/infectious disease?

I'll tell you that many things would have made a difference..had you given us the proper documentation required by law...and not sold Buster with Coccidia, Giardia, a Yeast Infection in both ears, an Umbilical Hernia...things would have been much different.

Had you followed the law...done what you are required to do and taken care of your responsibility...everything would be different.

Just get off it and do the right thing, you're wasting so much time and energy with your continuous attacks and denial.

You continue to amaze me with your denial, vulgarity and complete disregard for the law and the puppies.
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#144 Consumer Comment

Move on PLEASE

AUTHOR: Kathrine - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 02, 2008
Laurie & Donna:
First I do not know Donna from Adam, I know her about as much as I know YOU!
What I am saying is Donna has not taking responsibility yet as you claim and with all honesty I would not at this point either. If Donna DID take responsibility it would not change her reputation as a breeder now would it? You all claim she is cruel to animals, I really do not believe that. I think those are pretty harsh words and believe if this were true WHY does she still have dogs/puppies? Don't you think the SPCA would have taken them on the spot?

Second, I can see cruelty on your part for NOT taking the puppy to the vet for 10 DAYS. You write in your own words he was a VERY sick little puppy(you had to spoon feed him). You felt you had to save him from her place. Then WHY wait 10 days to get him to ANY vet? WHY did the vet give the sick puppy booster shots? YOU STILL DO NOT ANSWER THESE QUESTONS WHY? You can google vaccination labels and it CLEARLY states vaccination to be given ONLY to healthy dogs/puppies.

You may be right and I don't know all the facts, but these HERE are the only ones I see and can find on the Internet. So the other information you hold must have been verbal.

I read here on RIPOFF.COM they DO NOT remove ANY post so EVERYTIME someone google's Donna's name this IS going to be her reputation. Maybe you should have just taking her to small claims court if your are in the right and let the judge decide what she pays you. You get what your are entitled to and it's OVER. Obviously that IS the issue considering she sent you a check YOU refused to accept. You also said she told you she puts ALL your letters in her dumpster so maybe she does NOT know how much you were asking for and why. You could have answered that here when I asked you to post it and try to get you two to come to some kind of an agreement.

You may not have gotten your money back but you certainly maintain your point and ruined Donna's reputation as a breeder of ANY dog/puppies. I think that is payment enough considering this is here for LIFE. No dollar amount can change that.

Life is not perfect take it from me I have a couple children and who would think that 2 out of 3 would be handicapped, and I am YOUNG! These babies were born while my husband and I were 21-27 yrs old and YOUNGER.

I would just suggest you both apologize to each other sincerely and move on. There are more important things in this world to worry about than a dog.

Please do not respond back as I am moving on and have no further interest in your dog stories
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#143 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Spell It out

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 02, 2008
Laurie, TELL ME WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING? This whole site you rant about this "RIGHT THING" What is it?

And where did you experience any contact with me other than this website. I have had NO CONTACT with you or anybody else except for this site. So can your LIES. I don't even want to be bothered with this but I have to defend myself so the PUBLIC can know the real truth and not your made up crap. You are a very sad, sad person so far into denial it's not funny.
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#142 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Puppy Abuser

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 02, 2008
Laurie you need to see a head doctor. I have never harassed you I have only defended myself against you and your slander. I did not sell you a sick dog and I am sure if anyone out there asked you for the proof you claim you have they wouldn't get it because it does not exist.

Now when I sold you the pup I DID NOT KNOW he was going to be under so much stress that he would break out with cocci or giardia. This is a fact. He was given the medicine for that three times so I did not believe it would be an issue. I am sure "Tiger Lady" did not sell her pups knowing they had cocci. If you have the proof of this puppy being so sick WHY DON'T YOU POST THE VET BILLS? You must have used a different vet and have hospital bills for all kinds of antibotics, fluids, hospital care etc. Show the world and me, prove this puppy was sick!!!

You abused my puppy by waiting 10 days to get the near dead puppy to the vet. If it is true you are in your own words an abuser. Or a LAIR. Pick one!!!!

I have already done the RIGHT THING. It is you that continue to harass and slander me and my family. I have done nothing wrong to anyone. I try to do the best I can with my puppies and I am sure the "Tiger Lady" did the same but sometimes its not good enough but perfect people like you could never understand that and never will. Yes I ignored you because I was done with your harassment and extortion attempts. It is YOU (Laurie) THAT CONTINUE TO GO ON WITH THE HARASSMENT, SLANDER ETC.


Where do you get off thinking that I should take your crap? Your pup was not hospitalize, was not given any fluids etc. and you completely blew this whole issue out of porportion. Acting like an idiot because the pup had two parasites, it's totally uncalled for, ask Dr. Horn, you know the idiot vet who can't tell if a puppy is sick.

I said I was SORRY and thats it. You are the one who wants to carry on just like a child who can't get her own way. Well throw yourself on the floor and stomp your feet, what ever. It's your problem not mine. Just like your refusal to answer anything that was asked of you on this post, It's pretty one-sided to say the least and I hope your adoring FANS are picking up on that fact. Not ONE QUESTION has been answered by YOU. Oh you should tell your fans that you are GOD and don't have to answer to no one. Isn't that right Laurie, you are above us all including the LAW. Some people think they are so smart only to find out they are as DUMB as a stump.
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#141 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Havanese breeder NJ, Shady Oak Havanese..response to Kathrine

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, April 02, 2008
Kathrine,

"If" being the key word..IF Donna had showed compassion and concern it would have helped considerably. But, she immediately went on the defensive and dismissed all of us...then started personal attacks, false allegations and went on ranting about irrelevant details. What you have seen written here is not even the half of what we have had to put up with...there are more threats, attacks and vulgar comments that haven't even surfaced here.

You have no idea what happened, what we all had to go through.

I asked Donna to do the right thing, several times. It's never too late to do the right thing..but, it is possible that it can be too late for someone to show concern, which is apparent.

Donna needs to take responsibility..we didn't do this..I didn't do anything to her..it's not our fault that the puppies were sick. Perhaps, IF she had given more care and attention, this never would have happened, and we wouldn't be having this discussion. Which, believe me is how I would have liked it to be.

How about that concept...IF Donna had done "the right thing" from the start. NOW doesn't make THEN any different, doesn't change the facts and it does not make it better.

Donna has not fulfilled her obligations and responsibilities to us and our puppies. Plain and simple...Donna knows what she has to do...but, she continues to deny it.

Seriously, IF you don't know all the facts, then I do not think you can pass judgement. An opinion is fine, but, you have acted as if you are personally involved...are you??

By the way, this is not b******* as you put it...this is true, valid and important information. It should be an absolute outrage to the normal person...not a continuing pity party for Donna.

It is simply outrageous to me that this can happen and that Donna can falsely accuse me of animal abuse..that is serious and has not be taken lightly. You think it's ok that she did that??? You probably think it's ok that the puppies were sold with contagious/infectious disease, ear infections, hernia's..etc...right? It's ok that we were completely ignored for weeks and then attacked? It's ok that my puppy had to go through all of those senseless issues? IF all that is ok and fine with you, well, then...that's all that I need to say, isn't it? That speaks for itself.

Everything I have stated here is true and accurate and I have tons of documentation to back it up..I don't just go around accusing people of things that aren't true.

See, what I mean, even before I could post this..more of Donna's harassment.
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#140 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Nothing Would Make Any Difference

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, April 01, 2008
Laurie, I knew from the onset nothing was going to make you happy with me, absolutly nothing. At this point it doesn't even matter, your damage is done. I did nothing but sell you a wonderful puppy that happen to come up with two parasites that are easily treated. And for what that is worth I am terrible sorry I sold you one of my puppies because you are a horrible person and don't deserve one of MY babies. For that I am really SORRY!!!!

For everything else whatever you believe this week is so wrong with me and my dogs, GO TO HELL!!! And kiss my *ss!!! You do not have the right to do what you have done and you will find that out, (not a threat but a promise) You better have proof that Buster was sick, so far you do not and that is SLANDER.

This woman is cracked, she is completely and totally commited to harassing me and my family for life. She continues to slander and bad mouth me all over the place. AND SHE IS WRONG. She had her chance to do the right thing and tell the truth Laurie refuses to answer any questions asked of her, that is how truthful she is, she makes up every excuse in the book not to answer, (it's personal, I don't have to answer, etc.) You the public will never get a truthful answer out of Laurie Pallante, she cannot tell the truth because it will make her look like the *ss she is.

I have turned this over to the lawyer my family is using and the "other" NJ Breeders, Lauri slandered. It's a shame becuse I have already lost everything but now its Dr. Horn and Dr. Slavin that will be spending alot of time defending their postions in this nightmare with Laurie Pallante. Which means they will have to shut their practice down as many times as it takes to prove the slander Pallante is dishing out. Pallante will get her chance to call Dr. Horn a liar.

There is no way that that puppy was so sick right after she got him and 10 days later the vet gives him a booster shot, no way, no how, was that puppy sick.

Laurie GET A LIFE and a good JOB. AND YOU BETTER TAKE CARE OF "MY" PUPPY and if he is ever sick you better not wait 10 days to get him to a vet. To wait that long is animal abuse.
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#139 Consumer Comment

GROW UP

AUTHOR: Kathrine - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, April 01, 2008
If Donna is sorry than let it be. You all claim it's not about the money this should have been resolved months ago. You Laurie state "it's not about the money and apologies would have been nice". Well better late than never. What is bitching months later now going to do?
Donna is trying to move on and is now doing the right thing with all the new med's that are out for the parasites and she has the copy of the new law. She passed the state and county inspections for her kennel facility's cleanliness.

Nobody is getting anywhere here so they should just close this account.
It is obvious that Donna and her family is now having a hard time selling their puppies because of this. So apologies and payment is not going to make any difference at this point. I google Donna's name or just NJ havanese breeder and NJCAPSA and this come up FIRST.

In my opinion Laurie and NJCAPSA has ruined Donna's name as a breeder and now the bickering should just end.
Laurie has clearly made her point and Donna now can't sell her puppies.

Shortly it will be a year later the puppies are now healthy so just be happy with the end results.

It's to late to do the right thing now damage is DONE!!
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#138 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Havanese breeder NJ Animal Cruelty, refuses to be civilized and take responsiblity

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 31, 2008



I guess you cannot ever be sincere..you're sorry you sold me the puppy...etc...you're absolutely unbelievable, but, I suppose I should have expected that from you. Had you been sincere, an apology would have come months ago..and even now, you had yet, another chance to fix things.

We will never agree, apparently, but, you had 8 wk 10-11 wk 12 wk and 16 wk old puppies, (that is at least 4 different litters, correct?) I know what I saw, I know what happened, I know that Consumer Affairs found you in violation, I know the Judge convicted you...I know and have told the truth.

We have had an extremely difficult time, lately..which definitely should have been prevented... it's a good thing we are the kind of people we are, most would have given up. But, Leisa, Barbara, Judi and myself were determined to get and keep these puppies well and make this right.

I realize your apology is based on sarcasm and means that you feel sorry for yourself, for what you have gone through, and for what you have put yourself through, remember you did this...it could have all been prevented or at least if it had to happen it should have been taken care of much sooner. You are not sorry...not for us..not any of us or our puppies. It's too late, you have proven that you simply don't care and cannot admit your mistakes!

Donna, I did tell you, Mark, and the Judge exactly what happened from the moment Buster came home.

The rest is nonsense in it's purest form, you cannot be reasoned with and will not work with us to fix it, so...I am done trying to give you the opportunity to be civilized and take responsibility for your actions. You have chosen to continue to make false statements and attack me.

Thank you, for pointing out so many of your own inconsistencies and showing your true colors.
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#137 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Havanese breeder NJ Animal Cruelty, refuses to be civilized and take responsiblity

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 31, 2008



I guess you cannot ever be sincere..you're sorry you sold me the puppy...etc...you're absolutely unbelievable, but, I suppose I should have expected that from you. Had you been sincere, an apology would have come months ago..and even now, you had yet, another chance to fix things.

We will never agree, apparently, but, you had 8 wk 10-11 wk 12 wk and 16 wk old puppies, (that is at least 4 different litters, correct?) I know what I saw, I know what happened, I know that Consumer Affairs found you in violation, I know the Judge convicted you...I know and have told the truth.

We have had an extremely difficult time, lately..which definitely should have been prevented... it's a good thing we are the kind of people we are, most would have given up. But, Leisa, Barbara, Judi and myself were determined to get and keep these puppies well and make this right.

I realize your apology is based on sarcasm and means that you feel sorry for yourself, for what you have gone through, and for what you have put yourself through, remember you did this...it could have all been prevented or at least if it had to happen it should have been taken care of much sooner. You are not sorry...not for us..not any of us or our puppies. It's too late, you have proven that you simply don't care and cannot admit your mistakes!

Donna, I did tell you, Mark, and the Judge exactly what happened from the moment Buster came home.

The rest is nonsense in it's purest form, you cannot be reasoned with and will not work with us to fix it, so...I am done trying to give you the opportunity to be civilized and take responsibility for your actions. You have chosen to continue to make false statements and attack me.

Thank you, for pointing out so many of your own inconsistencies and showing your true colors.
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#136 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Havanese breeder NJ Animal Cruelty, refuses to be civilized and take responsiblity

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 31, 2008



I guess you cannot ever be sincere..you're sorry you sold me the puppy...etc...you're absolutely unbelievable, but, I suppose I should have expected that from you. Had you been sincere, an apology would have come months ago..and even now, you had yet, another chance to fix things.

We will never agree, apparently, but, you had 8 wk 10-11 wk 12 wk and 16 wk old puppies, (that is at least 4 different litters, correct?) I know what I saw, I know what happened, I know that Consumer Affairs found you in violation, I know the Judge convicted you...I know and have told the truth.

We have had an extremely difficult time, lately..which definitely should have been prevented... it's a good thing we are the kind of people we are, most would have given up. But, Leisa, Barbara, Judi and myself were determined to get and keep these puppies well and make this right.

I realize your apology is based on sarcasm and means that you feel sorry for yourself, for what you have gone through, and for what you have put yourself through, remember you did this...it could have all been prevented or at least if it had to happen it should have been taken care of much sooner. You are not sorry...not for us..not any of us or our puppies. It's too late, you have proven that you simply don't care and cannot admit your mistakes!

Donna, I did tell you, Mark, and the Judge exactly what happened from the moment Buster came home.

The rest is nonsense in it's purest form, you cannot be reasoned with and will not work with us to fix it, so...I am done trying to give you the opportunity to be civilized and take responsibility for your actions. You have chosen to continue to make false statements and attack me.

Thank you, for pointing out so many of your own inconsistencies and showing your true colors.
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#135 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Please !!!!

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 29, 2008
It would not matter how my apology was phrased you would still find fault with it because you find fault with everything and everybody. Nobody is as perfect as you, and I am not being catty, its just what I see. And please don't think for one minute I am not sincere in every apology because I truthfully am more than you will ever know..

Laurie, you never did since the start of everything tell me why you waited 10 days to take the puppy to the vet. If you had reached me in Florida that is what I would have told you to do right away not 10 days later.

When you came to my house I had two litters of pups and one stud service puppy (pick of litter for using my male). My backyard which is about 2 acres was clean. I poopy-scoop the yard 3-4 times a day depending and under the playpen everytime a puppy goes unless I am busy, then as soon as I am able to do so. That is why I use the puppy playpens (and millions of show people use them) the pups have no contact with the feces and they remain clean.

Gordon from the Health Dept. thought my set up was great and he found no fault with it. And from all the other vistors, buyers, friends and relatives you are the only one who has a problem with my backyard.

Laurie I have had a rough day today for that matter a rough year. Please leave me alone, you have done enough damage and I am so, so. so very sorry I sold you a puppy, believe me. Sincerely, Donna Roberts
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#134 Author of original report

UPDATE

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 29, 2008
Donna, I explained everything to you and you know all the answers to the questions, for the last time!!

You had at least 4 different litters when we were there and have advertised quite a few since then...maybe, it's time to slow down and re-think things. Get things on track..make sure all the dogs are well and re-focus your energy on doing the right thing.
Did you clean the entire area? I would hope that you did, that is crucial in preventing the spread of disease. Just a few suggestions!

As for your "apology", Donna, seriously a sincere apology would have gone a long way with me. I am not the mean, rotten person you make me out to be...this could have been handled so much better, in fact, had you cooperated in the beginning it would have been much easier for you.

I am truly sorry about your dog, that is not something to be taken lightly, I mean that sincerely. Unlike your "apologies", it's a shame you can't even say that and mean it. As you tell us about the dog, you still insist on jabbing me, with "how many of your dogs have made it to 21", I find that in poor taste. In fact, I feel bad that I have to reply with such bad feelings about this whole situation.

I will leave it there, as I do not wish to disgrace the memory of the dog! It's so sad that I even had to write any other comments except that I am sorry, about your Westie.
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#133 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser/Liar Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 29, 2008
Laurie if you are to the Point and want to Explain your side Why don't you answer the Questions Asked?

My "Family" hasn't even posted on this site they would rather have a Lawyer handle their response to you and your lies.

Whatever you think I've done "in the past" is either lies or made up by certain vigilantes. I haven't even bred that many puppies from 1997-2006. Last year was the first year that I have been back full time breeding my dogs and even that was not alot. So where all this crap is coming from is beyond me. If anyone is unhappy with my dogs they all know how to get in touch with me.

Laurie I really don't need your crap, you seem so desperate to get people to believe you and with all your derogatory statements that you made without basis for them, you surely are a lost cause.

This morning I woke up and found my Reggie (my 21 year old Westie) in his bed.
Sometime during the night he made his way to Heaven. Its so ironic, the person you claim doesn't take care of her dogs but here is Reggie at 21 years old, Shame on you. How many of your dogs made it to 21?

Here will this make it easier for you:

I was convicted of Animal Cruelity. YES! the pup had two Parasites. I AM SORRY!
I did not know he had them. I AM SORRY!!

I AM SORRY I SOLD YOU THE PUPPY!!!

I AM SORRY I ANSWERED THE PHONE WHEN YOU FIRST CALLED!!!

I AM SORRY I EVER MET YOU!!!

NOW LEAVE ME AND MY FAMILY ALONE!!!
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#132 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser/Liar Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 29, 2008
Laurie if you are to the Point and want to Explain your side Why don't you answer the Questions Asked?

My "Family" hasn't even posted on this site they would rather have a Lawyer handle their response to you and your lies.

Whatever you think I've done "in the past" is either lies or made up by certain vigilantes. I haven't even bred that many puppies from 1997-2006. Last year was the first year that I have been back full time breeding my dogs and even that was not alot. So where all this crap is coming from is beyond me. If anyone is unhappy with my dogs they all know how to get in touch with me.

Laurie I really don't need your crap, you seem so desperate to get people to believe you and with all your derogatory statements that you made without basis for them, you surely are a lost cause.

This morning I woke up and found my Reggie (my 21 year old Westie) in his bed.
Sometime during the night he made his way to Heaven. Its so ironic, the person you claim doesn't take care of her dogs but here is Reggie at 21 years old, Shame on you. How many of your dogs made it to 21?

Here will this make it easier for you:

I was convicted of Animal Cruelity. YES! the pup had two Parasites. I AM SORRY!
I did not know he had them. I AM SORRY!!

I AM SORRY I SOLD YOU THE PUPPY!!!

I AM SORRY I ANSWERED THE PHONE WHEN YOU FIRST CALLED!!!

I AM SORRY I EVER MET YOU!!!

NOW LEAVE ME AND MY FAMILY ALONE!!!
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#131 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser/Liar Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 29, 2008
Laurie if you are to the Point and want to Explain your side Why don't you answer the Questions Asked?

My "Family" hasn't even posted on this site they would rather have a Lawyer handle their response to you and your lies.

Whatever you think I've done "in the past" is either lies or made up by certain vigilantes. I haven't even bred that many puppies from 1997-2006. Last year was the first year that I have been back full time breeding my dogs and even that was not alot. So where all this crap is coming from is beyond me. If anyone is unhappy with my dogs they all know how to get in touch with me.

Laurie I really don't need your crap, you seem so desperate to get people to believe you and with all your derogatory statements that you made without basis for them, you surely are a lost cause.

This morning I woke up and found my Reggie (my 21 year old Westie) in his bed.
Sometime during the night he made his way to Heaven. Its so ironic, the person you claim doesn't take care of her dogs but here is Reggie at 21 years old, Shame on you. How many of your dogs made it to 21?

Here will this make it easier for you:

I was convicted of Animal Cruelity. YES! the pup had two Parasites. I AM SORRY!
I did not know he had them. I AM SORRY!!

I AM SORRY I SOLD YOU THE PUPPY!!!

I AM SORRY I ANSWERED THE PHONE WHEN YOU FIRST CALLED!!!

I AM SORRY I EVER MET YOU!!!

NOW LEAVE ME AND MY FAMILY ALONE!!!
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#130 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Animal Abuser/Liar Burlington, NJ

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 29, 2008
Laurie if you are to the Point and want to Explain your side Why don't you answer the Questions Asked?

My "Family" hasn't even posted on this site they would rather have a Lawyer handle their response to you and your lies.

Whatever you think I've done "in the past" is either lies or made up by certain vigilantes. I haven't even bred that many puppies from 1997-2006. Last year was the first year that I have been back full time breeding my dogs and even that was not alot. So where all this crap is coming from is beyond me. If anyone is unhappy with my dogs they all know how to get in touch with me.

Laurie I really don't need your crap, you seem so desperate to get people to believe you and with all your derogatory statements that you made without basis for them, you surely are a lost cause.

This morning I woke up and found my Reggie (my 21 year old Westie) in his bed.
Sometime during the night he made his way to Heaven. Its so ironic, the person you claim doesn't take care of her dogs but here is Reggie at 21 years old, Shame on you. How many of your dogs made it to 21?

Here will this make it easier for you:

I was convicted of Animal Cruelity. YES! the pup had two Parasites. I AM SORRY!
I did not know he had them. I AM SORRY!!

I AM SORRY I SOLD YOU THE PUPPY!!!

I AM SORRY I ANSWERED THE PHONE WHEN YOU FIRST CALLED!!!

I AM SORRY I EVER MET YOU!!!

NOW LEAVE ME AND MY FAMILY ALONE!!!
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#129 Author of original report

Donna Roberts/Animal Cruelty Conviction, Shady Oak Havanese/more denial and false accusations from Donna Roberts

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 28, 2008
Please read the previous responses that I have posted. If you don't get it, then I can't help you!!

The medical records are private, that's what I said, if you're going to quote me, please, be accurate. Donna has all the information and then some.

There are so many contradictions from Donna, it's ridiculous.

Donna, I know you have your friends/family polluting this report, that doesn't change things and I am not intimidated. I have nothing to worry about.

Options?? Ridiculous...and you have run out of options it seems. I have not compromised myself, the facts are complete and accurate. I hope you are "copying" everything...maybe, you should read it a few more times. I cannot believe how rude you have been.

I will not keep explaining things to you, that by now, should be common knowledge. I am sorry if you don't remember and didn't and still don't care enough to find out the proper way or follow proper procedures.

I wonder if we looked at the real history..if people knew the other inappropriate things that have been done by you....how different the opinions would be (except that most of the "opinions" are linked directly to you)..and do not ask me to explain that, either, because, Donna you know..you know all too well...after all you lived it.

Seems interesting that you continue to only be worried about the "money" you "lost" and are "losing"...that's all that matters to you..and you continue to make that point clear.

If you had done everything correctly in the first place, this would not be happening.

If the puppies weren't sold with a contagious/infectious disease, hernias, ear infections and a list of other things...this would not be happening.

If you had followed NJ Consumer Law and provided us the documents required at time of sale, this would have been settled much sooner.

So, you see, it's not my fault, I didn't do all that..that's how it all started, then when issues became apparent, you handled it in a very poor manner, actually, you didn't handle it at all.

If you had cared enough to call and see how the puppies were doing, at least that would have shown a little effort on your part. You immediately attacked and dismissed us, the Vet. and everyone or anyone that disagreed with you.

If you had a problem with any of this..you had time to contest the entire issue, but, instead..you admitted guilt, but, then changed your mind and decided to bad-mouth, degrade, defame and place the blame on everyone else...even the wild turkeys in your yard........make up your mind, get the story straight, once and for all, please!!

Donna, I tried calling you before you even left for Florida...no response then, either, so..what's the excuse for that??? You said you left 4 days after we purchased Buster..we were not told that you were going to Florida...so, how we were supposed to get in touch with you?? You said it's none of my business what you were doing, well, if I had sold a puppy and was planning a "trip" I would make sure I left an alternate number for the buyers in case of any problems. If I had known you were "out of town" I would not have continued calling and writing letters, but, we did not know, no matter what you think you said.

I never elevated my voice the first time we spoke, at all. The only time I may have "elevated" my voice was on Aug. 14th (third and last conversation, I believe) when you called and began your accusatory and harassing comments.

Remember that phone call..the one where you told me you didn't know the laws...except for the fact that you were quoting them to suit your needs..the one where you asked me to send you the documentation that YOU should have given US on the date of purchase (not the bills, etc..those had already been sent/received and ignored by you)..then stated you know every bit of the law...the phone call that your Daughter and yourself began "elevating" your voices, using obscenities, making derogatory remarks, using crude and offensive language??

The same conversation where you both said..."it's just giardia"...and "no big deal"...that "no one knows what they're talking about" and blamed everyone and everything else? You were extremely "elevated" and flustered, so, I may have "elevated" but, I was not even close to your level.
It is obvious in these posts that you have been far more unreasonable and "elevated" than I have..the way you write and the language that you use..not to mention the complete fabrications, false accusations, contradictions and placing blame on everyone else.

As I have said, there is so much more to this..but, none of it is being solved and I am not going into all the nitty gritty details...but, since you are attacking my character over and over, I felt it was necessary to point out a few things.
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#128 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante- Animal Abuser or Liar

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 27, 2008
Laurie you are not being falsely accused of Animal Abuse. You have two options- if you want to stick to the story that Buster was this sick, half-dead puppy you saved and the fact of the matter is you waited 10 days to get this puppy to the vet, that is ANIMAL ABUSE. OR you admit and come clean and tell the truth (for once) that it was an attempt to ruin me, then you are a LIAR. I have to admit it's a tough one but you put yourself in this postion. Now which is it?

I have never knowingly sold a sick pup but like they say sh*t happens and any puppy can get sick, you are working with living things. Years ago I knew a Breeder of Afghan Hounds, he lost 6 litters of pups to parvo in a year and he had the knowledge, the know how and the money but nothing could save these pups. He also was a VET. Sometimes things happen we have no control over but Laurie doesn't get it, she never will.

Laurie thinks she can control everything, me, my family, Mr. O'Mally (see what I am dealing with, I told you so) Laurie get this straight, you are not my Mother, you are not my God, you are not my Ruler, There is no Bridge to Gap, this was settled months ago when you were told no, take you "chance" and shove it, the Law didn't tell you to do this or slander/harass me or my family. Now I hope you understand what is written here once and for all. LEAVE ME ALONE.
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#127 Consumer Comment

Laurie Answer the Questions

AUTHOR: Tara Lyn - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 27, 2008
Laurie if you want to be believed then answer the questions asked of you, you opened this door by posting on this site, or is it that you are one sided like NJCAPSA?

Donna sure doesn't hold anything back. It seems to me that she is the Truthful one and you keep hiding behind a smoke screen claiming your info is private. Well I have news for you it's not any more. You need to explain
1) Why didn't you take the pup to the vet right away? Not wait 10 days.
2) Why didn't the first vet declare this pup sick?
3) Why did a vet give a sick puppy a booster shot?

From the first post you attack Donna, then her family and grandchildren, what business is it of yours if her grandchildren wear their pj's, talk about "off point". Now you are telling Mr. O'Mally what he can post, come on, who do you think you are, now we all know why Donna is UNCOOPERATIVE when it comes to you. I would be too. I would have charged you with harassment along time ago, so you should count your blessings.

Did you think everyone would feel sorry for you? Anyone with half a brain can see what is going on, Donna didn't do what you wanted so now she must pay the price in more ways than one. I personally think in the end Laurie you will learn a valuable lesson the hard way but for some reason I think that's the only way with you and your kind of personality. Good Luck! You are going to need it.
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#126 Consumer Comment

You all suck

AUTHOR: Joe Kewl - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 26, 2008
I don't know which is worse....breeders (puppy mills) or the people that pay outlandish amounts of money for a dog. If you want a truly good and loyal dog that will love you, go to your local animal shelter! Another great alternative is to rescue a racing greyhound!
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#125 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Such Denial From An Animal Abuser

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 26, 2008
Laurie, Listen CAREFULLY ! I DO NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING. I SENT YOU A CHECK FOR THE MEDS AND YOU SENT IT BACK !! (even though I didn't owe it to you but Dr. Horn stated in her letter that she felt the meds should be reimbursed)

This puppy was not sick, according to your own vet. I have letters upon letters with your lies of a sick, half dead puppy. Well you will get your chance to prove it, you will get a chance to tell Dr. Horn to her face she is an incompetent vet and didn't know what she was looking at. Tell Dr. Horn to her face that Buster was a very, very sick puppy like you wrote to all those agencies and she gives the pup a booster shot and doesn't hospitalize the pup. No fluids, no antibotics, no bloodwork, what do you have to back you up Laurie??? Your mouth and actions have caused my family thousands of dollars in damages not to mention our pain and suffering. The slander you wrote in those letters will cost you dearly, and no that is not a threat, I do not make threats. I say it like it is.

I never said I would pay for the umbilical hernia (smaller than the tip of my pinky) I already did when I gave you a $300 discount for it. The surgery you put the pup through was unnessary. You got your Animal History, Reg. Papers, there is nothing more and thats it. Final, done, no more, understand?

I feel bad that he could not handle the stress you put him under the first week or so with you but I cannot go home with every puppy to make sure they are cared for. I was found Guilty of selling a pup with a parasite, when other breeders are told this they look at me dumbfounded because it is so common.

Oh and Laurie, my information is personal too but you have no problem telling the world. And don't say you came to this site to get me to do the "Right Thing". your first letter to BBB was 7/16/07. I didn't get home from Florida until after 7/19/2007 so you had already started your Hate Campaign even before we had a chance to talk. So stop your lying. And the first time we did talk your elevated voice and accusations were enough for me, that is why I just calmly told you to send me the bills and got off the phone. You were not going to abuse me with your mouth. So stay in your Denial, it's your problem not mine.

I do not worry about my character, it is fine. I did nothing wrong to you or anyone else. Buster was fine when he left me on 6/29/2007 and he was fine on 7/10/2007 so when he was sick is a mystery but you will have to prove that. So keep it up Laurie, every word is being copied. You are the one hiding everything, you did not answer one question asked of you on this site and you claim to be the TRUTH MAIDEN. Who are you kidding, yourself!!
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#124 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Such Denial From An Animal Abuser

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 26, 2008
Laurie, Listen CAREFULLY ! I DO NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING. I SENT YOU A CHECK FOR THE MEDS AND YOU SENT IT BACK !! (even though I didn't owe it to you but Dr. Horn stated in her letter that she felt the meds should be reimbursed)

This puppy was not sick, according to your own vet. I have letters upon letters with your lies of a sick, half dead puppy. Well you will get your chance to prove it, you will get a chance to tell Dr. Horn to her face she is an incompetent vet and didn't know what she was looking at. Tell Dr. Horn to her face that Buster was a very, very sick puppy like you wrote to all those agencies and she gives the pup a booster shot and doesn't hospitalize the pup. No fluids, no antibotics, no bloodwork, what do you have to back you up Laurie??? Your mouth and actions have caused my family thousands of dollars in damages not to mention our pain and suffering. The slander you wrote in those letters will cost you dearly, and no that is not a threat, I do not make threats. I say it like it is.

I never said I would pay for the umbilical hernia (smaller than the tip of my pinky) I already did when I gave you a $300 discount for it. The surgery you put the pup through was unnessary. You got your Animal History, Reg. Papers, there is nothing more and thats it. Final, done, no more, understand?

I feel bad that he could not handle the stress you put him under the first week or so with you but I cannot go home with every puppy to make sure they are cared for. I was found Guilty of selling a pup with a parasite, when other breeders are told this they look at me dumbfounded because it is so common.

Oh and Laurie, my information is personal too but you have no problem telling the world. And don't say you came to this site to get me to do the "Right Thing". your first letter to BBB was 7/16/07. I didn't get home from Florida until after 7/19/2007 so you had already started your Hate Campaign even before we had a chance to talk. So stop your lying. And the first time we did talk your elevated voice and accusations were enough for me, that is why I just calmly told you to send me the bills and got off the phone. You were not going to abuse me with your mouth. So stay in your Denial, it's your problem not mine.

I do not worry about my character, it is fine. I did nothing wrong to you or anyone else. Buster was fine when he left me on 6/29/2007 and he was fine on 7/10/2007 so when he was sick is a mystery but you will have to prove that. So keep it up Laurie, every word is being copied. You are the one hiding everything, you did not answer one question asked of you on this site and you claim to be the TRUTH MAIDEN. Who are you kidding, yourself!!
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#123 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Such Denial From An Animal Abuser

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 26, 2008
Laurie, Listen CAREFULLY ! I DO NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING. I SENT YOU A CHECK FOR THE MEDS AND YOU SENT IT BACK !! (even though I didn't owe it to you but Dr. Horn stated in her letter that she felt the meds should be reimbursed)

This puppy was not sick, according to your own vet. I have letters upon letters with your lies of a sick, half dead puppy. Well you will get your chance to prove it, you will get a chance to tell Dr. Horn to her face she is an incompetent vet and didn't know what she was looking at. Tell Dr. Horn to her face that Buster was a very, very sick puppy like you wrote to all those agencies and she gives the pup a booster shot and doesn't hospitalize the pup. No fluids, no antibotics, no bloodwork, what do you have to back you up Laurie??? Your mouth and actions have caused my family thousands of dollars in damages not to mention our pain and suffering. The slander you wrote in those letters will cost you dearly, and no that is not a threat, I do not make threats. I say it like it is.

I never said I would pay for the umbilical hernia (smaller than the tip of my pinky) I already did when I gave you a $300 discount for it. The surgery you put the pup through was unnessary. You got your Animal History, Reg. Papers, there is nothing more and thats it. Final, done, no more, understand?

I feel bad that he could not handle the stress you put him under the first week or so with you but I cannot go home with every puppy to make sure they are cared for. I was found Guilty of selling a pup with a parasite, when other breeders are told this they look at me dumbfounded because it is so common.

Oh and Laurie, my information is personal too but you have no problem telling the world. And don't say you came to this site to get me to do the "Right Thing". your first letter to BBB was 7/16/07. I didn't get home from Florida until after 7/19/2007 so you had already started your Hate Campaign even before we had a chance to talk. So stop your lying. And the first time we did talk your elevated voice and accusations were enough for me, that is why I just calmly told you to send me the bills and got off the phone. You were not going to abuse me with your mouth. So stay in your Denial, it's your problem not mine.

I do not worry about my character, it is fine. I did nothing wrong to you or anyone else. Buster was fine when he left me on 6/29/2007 and he was fine on 7/10/2007 so when he was sick is a mystery but you will have to prove that. So keep it up Laurie, every word is being copied. You are the one hiding everything, you did not answer one question asked of you on this site and you claim to be the TRUTH MAIDEN. Who are you kidding, yourself!!
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#122 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Such Denial From An Animal Abuser

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 26, 2008
Laurie, Listen CAREFULLY ! I DO NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING. I SENT YOU A CHECK FOR THE MEDS AND YOU SENT IT BACK !! (even though I didn't owe it to you but Dr. Horn stated in her letter that she felt the meds should be reimbursed)

This puppy was not sick, according to your own vet. I have letters upon letters with your lies of a sick, half dead puppy. Well you will get your chance to prove it, you will get a chance to tell Dr. Horn to her face she is an incompetent vet and didn't know what she was looking at. Tell Dr. Horn to her face that Buster was a very, very sick puppy like you wrote to all those agencies and she gives the pup a booster shot and doesn't hospitalize the pup. No fluids, no antibotics, no bloodwork, what do you have to back you up Laurie??? Your mouth and actions have caused my family thousands of dollars in damages not to mention our pain and suffering. The slander you wrote in those letters will cost you dearly, and no that is not a threat, I do not make threats. I say it like it is.

I never said I would pay for the umbilical hernia (smaller than the tip of my pinky) I already did when I gave you a $300 discount for it. The surgery you put the pup through was unnessary. You got your Animal History, Reg. Papers, there is nothing more and thats it. Final, done, no more, understand?

I feel bad that he could not handle the stress you put him under the first week or so with you but I cannot go home with every puppy to make sure they are cared for. I was found Guilty of selling a pup with a parasite, when other breeders are told this they look at me dumbfounded because it is so common.

Oh and Laurie, my information is personal too but you have no problem telling the world. And don't say you came to this site to get me to do the "Right Thing". your first letter to BBB was 7/16/07. I didn't get home from Florida until after 7/19/2007 so you had already started your Hate Campaign even before we had a chance to talk. So stop your lying. And the first time we did talk your elevated voice and accusations were enough for me, that is why I just calmly told you to send me the bills and got off the phone. You were not going to abuse me with your mouth. So stay in your Denial, it's your problem not mine.

I do not worry about my character, it is fine. I did nothing wrong to you or anyone else. Buster was fine when he left me on 6/29/2007 and he was fine on 7/10/2007 so when he was sick is a mystery but you will have to prove that. So keep it up Laurie, every word is being copied. You are the one hiding everything, you did not answer one question asked of you on this site and you claim to be the TRUTH MAIDEN. Who are you kidding, yourself!!
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#121 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Havanese breeder NJ/Shady Oak Havanese, Convicted of Animal Cruelty...remains uncooperative!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 26, 2008

Reply to all comments posted recently by various "concerned" (?) parties:

I am not a first time buyer...but, this is the first time I have EVER had a problem. This has been far more than enough to deal with in one lifetime.

I am repeating the same information, because, it is the truth and the facts still remain the same. I am not making up new stories as I go..or coming up with completely outrageous accusations.

This was a chance for Donna to do the right thing.......it hasn't been done.

I told the people that need to know.....everything that was done..the how, why, when and where...I did the right thing. I followed the law.

It's ok for Donna to treat us like this??? It's ok to be falsely accused of Animal Abuse??? All that is ok???? That's absolutely ridiculous. I am simply asking that Donna follow the law as it is written.

This is not the only issue Donna has ever had and I do not believe she has been completely up front about the more sordid details.

Mr. O'Mally (O'Malley?), I do hope all is well and the laws were followed..believe me I want the puppies healthy.
But, you don't know me...you do not know what happened...is it fair to me that my side not be heard??? There is so much more to this..no one seems to care that sick puppies were sold..or that the owners and puppies suffered needlessly. Thanks a lot..that says a lot about the kind of people you all associate with!!

Sir, how dare you call me a liar, you have no idea and I think that is completely inappropriate..and in fact, very telling. If you are in fact a real person then how dare you judge me....I want healthy puppies, if that's too much to ask...then you people are worse than imagined. If you wanted to make a "testimonial" about your puppy, that's fine, but, I think it's extremely ignorant of you to call me names when you do not know the facts and you do not know me. No one can understand this unless they have been through it..I hope no one ever has to go through anything like this..ever!!


Donna has all the information, at least she should, unless she threw that all away like some of the letters and correspondence that I sent her...she said she "threw them right in the dumpster"...so, perhaps, that is another reason why we cannot bridge this gap...perhaps, Donna needed to follow up on a few things, much sooner and this wouldn't be happening and take things more seriously. All of this could and should have been settled months ago...in fact, NONE of this should have happened in the first place, how about that as a concept?? Meaning: puppies should not have been sold with contagious/infectious disease, hernias, ear infections, etc...etc and the law should have been followed to the letter by Donna.. in case that point isn't clear or obvious to some of you.

Kathrine, I appreciate your effort if it is in fact, sincere, but, no medical bills will be posted, that is private information. Donna was sent all the information, the Unfit was sent and ignored..etc...etc.. I do hope Donna still has all the documentation.

Believe it or not, there is more outrageous behavior by Donna, but, I am not even going into that...the facts remain the same, the truth has been told, the right thing needs to be done.

Donna knows why many things were written that perhaps, others do not understand. I did get off topic at times, but, how could I help it..I had to respond to Donna's ridiculous statements.

Try to pick this apart...guess what.. all the pieces still fit together..it all makes sense, it cannot be disputed any longer. I did not threaten, harass or falsely accuse anyone of anything...I did not use obscene, rude and offensive language as other have done repeatedly.

I did not DO this to Donna's family...I am not the one that was CONVICTED OF ANIMAL CRUELTY..and I am not the one that was found (and remains) in VIOLATION OF NJ CONSUMER LAW!!!!!!!!! Donna, it's done, you did it, now fix it.

Thanks for giving me so much credit for creating ( in your words) a lynch mob witch hunt, bandwagon etc..and for calling me (among other things) a psycho, "retarded" (very poor taste) and the many other things you have said....it clarified so much for me and others, most importantly your character and lack thereof. I do need to tell you, I did not "create" or "lead" any of those things, nor am I any of the horrible things you think I am and so freely stated without a second thought. Who got more personal here?? Who has crossed the line more than a few times??

No, Donna I don't have children, but, did you ever think that maybe, that is an extremely personal issue? Obviously not, you seemed not to care or think twice about insulting me..you only made yourself look bad and disgraced your own character. It is time for that to stop, it is uncalled for and in extremely poor taste.

I know my character is intact and I haven't sacrificed my integrity or reputation. So, with that...I resent all the rude, obnoxious remarks, the personal attacks, the false accusations, threats and senseless banter that has come my way. But, I consider the source and almost certainly expected it. I hope you all feel better about yourselves, and that you can sleep with a clear conscience at night. I can and I do...because, I know I have told the truth and I have done everything to get my puppy well...more things than the "average" person would do, I'm sure. I know without a doubt I have done the right things, and will continue to do so.

By the way, this is not just about the Giardia and Coccidia, there were other things as I explained, previously. An Umbilical Hernia that was surgically removed (Donna even stated she would pay for that)..a Yeast Infection in both ears, then Gastritis. So, excuse me if that's not considered a sick puppy...sorry, if that's acceptable to some people. No one was here, I took care of the puppy, Donna didn't care what happened after we left that house...or is it that your denial just doesn't allow you to act appropriately and show even a hint of compassion?

I thought Donna lived in Howell? Now, she lives in Shamong again, or still?? Add that to the list of inconsistencies..it's a longer list by the day!!


Donna, you've done far worse to me than you think I have done to you. I didn't do ANYTHING to YOU, but, you on the other hand are only making things worse, for everyone!

I don't want to hear more excuses and outrageous stories, it's getting very old...remember, I am the one giving you a chance to correct this whole situation.
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#120 Consumer Comment

MY FAMILY BOUGHT A PUPPY FROM DONNA ROBERTS

AUTHOR: Thomas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 22, 2008
My family and I bought a Havanese PUPPY from Donna Roberts a couple weeks ago.

Yeah, we read what was going on with these people but if anyone really reads between the lines , just say my wife and I were very curious and decided to check it out for ourselves. We are so glad we did ****

First of all Donna's home and property was clean and she does have grass (not dirt even in winter) in her backyard.

She has a small "kennel" in the back yard about 100 ft from her house which has electric/water/heat/air conditioning. She has 9 runs about 5 ft. by 20-25 ft. It is a beautiful set up, under shade trees and is very clean.

Not to mention the "Dream PLAYGROUND" for her children and grandchildren. Two HUGE Wooden Playsets, not one but two, and a big wooden ARK, several large plastic playhouses, sandboxes, etc (can't remember all of it) The kids and dogs have a blast out there. Donna invited my kids to come over in the summer to play, with the puppy of course. This is not a woman who is evil, bad, not caring but she is a woman who will fight to the end for her family and her rights. And I for one don't blame her and anything I or my family can do to help her we will.

We took our puppy to the vet and he checked out 100%. Our vet took Donna's number to call her because he was thrilled to see such a healthy, loving puppy.
The puppy has been great with kids, all the neighbors love him. And NO he did not have any parasites but even if he did my vet says it would be nothing to worry about.

We took him to the dog park last Sunday and everyone admired him until this one woman asked where we got him, then she started with all the lies that have been circulating about Donna, WELL WE SET HER STRAIGHT, after getting her name and car plate no., We told her THAT LAURIE person IS A LIAR and we told her why and told her to go over to Donna's and see for herself like we did.

Donna, if there is anything we can do to help you please call us. I know you are afraid that your buyers will be harassed thats why you haven't asked them to come forward to help but don't worry most of us are willing, what has happened to you is a crime, you have worked for 40 years with your dogs and to have some crackpot try to destroy everything you worked for all these years, we will not let that happen. God Bless you and your family. The O'Mally Family
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#119 Consumer Comment

CRAZY

AUTHOR: Used Rto Be A Breeder - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 22, 2008
This webs site reputation has now totally gone down the tubes by allowing this crazy thread (weather they allow this post to go through we shall see). Donna, I totally believe that Laurie may personally NOT have sent the SPCA but Libby at that NJCAPSA most likey did - as she mentions on her website the protocal of which she follows. Please also note that although she started out with a great idea of creating a website as a warning for Puppy Mills (please look) she has created a place where she allows one sided information to be posted with the intention of shutting down breeders. So, although Laurie maybe telling the truth that she directlly did not send the SPCA (and I am giving her the benefit of the doubt here) she was surely guided by NJCAPSA.

Laurie, while reading your posts you keep repeating the same information over and over and over - by doing so it really makes you look bad - I can understand that you feel you were wronged as a first time buyer coccidia and giardia which are VERY common and stress can indeed bring this on in a pup when re-homing. If you look up a number of website (not just ONE) you will find MANY sites that state exactly what I am saying.

You make a comment about Donna saying something about your clothing however you started that with comments on her grandchildrens clothing - and then turn it around when Donna states something about the way you dress (which you opened that door right up for a comment back).

I honestly believe RIP OFF REPORTS should close this post and deleate all as this post makes rip offs look real bad and NOT REPUTABLE at all - this is just an open forum for an arguement between 2 people.

While reading the above it does not make me NOT want to buy from Donna as Laurie you have made this out to a personal mission to bad mouth her. The fact that your complaint against her is posted on a one sided website NJCAPSA makes me not believe their website either. The only complaint I find about Donna is on here and NJCAPSA and it is YOUR complaint. Which if a search on the internet is done on Donna RIPOFF comes up and NJCAPSA - and all leads back to you Laurie.

so you original intention of "Shutting her down" leads directly back to you which in turn can lead to a law suit against you for slander (as well as to Libby who runs the NJCAPSA).

Enough is Enough!!!!
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#118 Consumer Comment

CRAZY

AUTHOR: Used Rto Be A Breeder - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 22, 2008
This webs site reputation has now totally gone down the tubes by allowing this crazy thread (weather they allow this post to go through we shall see). Donna, I totally believe that Laurie may personally NOT have sent the SPCA but Libby at that NJCAPSA most likey did - as she mentions on her website the protocal of which she follows. Please also note that although she started out with a great idea of creating a website as a warning for Puppy Mills (please look) she has created a place where she allows one sided information to be posted with the intention of shutting down breeders. So, although Laurie maybe telling the truth that she directlly did not send the SPCA (and I am giving her the benefit of the doubt here) she was surely guided by NJCAPSA.

Laurie, while reading your posts you keep repeating the same information over and over and over - by doing so it really makes you look bad - I can understand that you feel you were wronged as a first time buyer coccidia and giardia which are VERY common and stress can indeed bring this on in a pup when re-homing. If you look up a number of website (not just ONE) you will find MANY sites that state exactly what I am saying.

You make a comment about Donna saying something about your clothing however you started that with comments on her grandchildrens clothing - and then turn it around when Donna states something about the way you dress (which you opened that door right up for a comment back).

I honestly believe RIP OFF REPORTS should close this post and deleate all as this post makes rip offs look real bad and NOT REPUTABLE at all - this is just an open forum for an arguement between 2 people.

While reading the above it does not make me NOT want to buy from Donna as Laurie you have made this out to a personal mission to bad mouth her. The fact that your complaint against her is posted on a one sided website NJCAPSA makes me not believe their website either. The only complaint I find about Donna is on here and NJCAPSA and it is YOUR complaint. Which if a search on the internet is done on Donna RIPOFF comes up and NJCAPSA - and all leads back to you Laurie.

so you original intention of "Shutting her down" leads directly back to you which in turn can lead to a law suit against you for slander (as well as to Libby who runs the NJCAPSA).

Enough is Enough!!!!
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#117 Consumer Comment

CRAZY

AUTHOR: Used Rto Be A Breeder - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 22, 2008
This webs site reputation has now totally gone down the tubes by allowing this crazy thread (weather they allow this post to go through we shall see). Donna, I totally believe that Laurie may personally NOT have sent the SPCA but Libby at that NJCAPSA most likey did - as she mentions on her website the protocal of which she follows. Please also note that although she started out with a great idea of creating a website as a warning for Puppy Mills (please look) she has created a place where she allows one sided information to be posted with the intention of shutting down breeders. So, although Laurie maybe telling the truth that she directlly did not send the SPCA (and I am giving her the benefit of the doubt here) she was surely guided by NJCAPSA.

Laurie, while reading your posts you keep repeating the same information over and over and over - by doing so it really makes you look bad - I can understand that you feel you were wronged as a first time buyer coccidia and giardia which are VERY common and stress can indeed bring this on in a pup when re-homing. If you look up a number of website (not just ONE) you will find MANY sites that state exactly what I am saying.

You make a comment about Donna saying something about your clothing however you started that with comments on her grandchildrens clothing - and then turn it around when Donna states something about the way you dress (which you opened that door right up for a comment back).

I honestly believe RIP OFF REPORTS should close this post and deleate all as this post makes rip offs look real bad and NOT REPUTABLE at all - this is just an open forum for an arguement between 2 people.

While reading the above it does not make me NOT want to buy from Donna as Laurie you have made this out to a personal mission to bad mouth her. The fact that your complaint against her is posted on a one sided website NJCAPSA makes me not believe their website either. The only complaint I find about Donna is on here and NJCAPSA and it is YOUR complaint. Which if a search on the internet is done on Donna RIPOFF comes up and NJCAPSA - and all leads back to you Laurie.

so you original intention of "Shutting her down" leads directly back to you which in turn can lead to a law suit against you for slander (as well as to Libby who runs the NJCAPSA).

Enough is Enough!!!!
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#116 Consumer Comment

CRAZY

AUTHOR: Used Rto Be A Breeder - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 22, 2008
This webs site reputation has now totally gone down the tubes by allowing this crazy thread (weather they allow this post to go through we shall see). Donna, I totally believe that Laurie may personally NOT have sent the SPCA but Libby at that NJCAPSA most likey did - as she mentions on her website the protocal of which she follows. Please also note that although she started out with a great idea of creating a website as a warning for Puppy Mills (please look) she has created a place where she allows one sided information to be posted with the intention of shutting down breeders. So, although Laurie maybe telling the truth that she directlly did not send the SPCA (and I am giving her the benefit of the doubt here) she was surely guided by NJCAPSA.

Laurie, while reading your posts you keep repeating the same information over and over and over - by doing so it really makes you look bad - I can understand that you feel you were wronged as a first time buyer coccidia and giardia which are VERY common and stress can indeed bring this on in a pup when re-homing. If you look up a number of website (not just ONE) you will find MANY sites that state exactly what I am saying.

You make a comment about Donna saying something about your clothing however you started that with comments on her grandchildrens clothing - and then turn it around when Donna states something about the way you dress (which you opened that door right up for a comment back).

I honestly believe RIP OFF REPORTS should close this post and deleate all as this post makes rip offs look real bad and NOT REPUTABLE at all - this is just an open forum for an arguement between 2 people.

While reading the above it does not make me NOT want to buy from Donna as Laurie you have made this out to a personal mission to bad mouth her. The fact that your complaint against her is posted on a one sided website NJCAPSA makes me not believe their website either. The only complaint I find about Donna is on here and NJCAPSA and it is YOUR complaint. Which if a search on the internet is done on Donna RIPOFF comes up and NJCAPSA - and all leads back to you Laurie.

so you original intention of "Shutting her down" leads directly back to you which in turn can lead to a law suit against you for slander (as well as to Libby who runs the NJCAPSA).

Enough is Enough!!!!
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#115 Consumer Comment

settlement

AUTHOR: Kathrine - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 21, 2008
Hi Laurie:
I was hoping to help you and Donna make some point of settlement so that she could get her good name back as a breeder if it's not to late.

I guess I was being nosey but you never stated how much the vet bills were to treat the parasites. I was just wondering what the detailed bill was that you feel Donna should pay. How much is owed to you and why?

You also never answered my question of WHY you waited 10 day to take him to the vet. Certainly if I had a puppy that would only eat off a spoon he would be at the 24 emergency hospital. That to me IS a very sick little puppy. I can assume he was hospitalized for his condition and on IV fluid therapy for a day or 2?

I have been ready this for some time and I find a few things you write Laurie to be a bit concerning and OFF topic.

You(Laurie) write: Do your Grandchildren generally play outside in their nightgowns?? Just curious, I'm not judging that point, just wondered??

AFTER Donna's reply you(Laurie) write:
Are you seriously commenting on clothes??? Seriously??? You're kidding, right?? I won't even go there...you cannot seem to stay focused and go off on these odd ranting's all the time, it's a bit unsettling.

You(Laurie) also write: NOTHING IS FUNNY, AT ALL. Your comments are way out of line, offensive and rude..you continue to show your lack of character and integrity.

Laurie I DO NOT know you from Adam but you really are not making yourself look very innocent. You also do not stay on focus and topic.

So Laurie I ask AGAIN: How much is the bill to treat your puppy? detail each item with its fee.

Also WHY did you make your sick puppy wait 10 days to see the vet when there are 100's of other vets out there? This I want to know!

Thank you and maybe you and Donna can get somewhere with EXACT figures.
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#114 REBUTTAL Individual responds

DONNA ROBERTS HAS RIGHTS ALSO

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 21, 2008
Laurie, read your post on my grandchildren claiming they were wearing pj's. Shut your mouth and you won't have anyone flinging the sh*t back in your face.

You have all the RIGHTS and everyone else has NONE.

I am not threatening you one bit and in the near future you will see that. Your slander, lies, harassment have been documented totally and are in the hands of a Lawyer.

I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND MYSELF AND MY FAMILY.

If Dr. Horn showed up in court like she was supposed to I would have proven you a liar right then and there.

And you may think that you have the right to call all these agencies but only if the information you give them is the truth, which we can prove it is not.

You are the one who admits to ABUSING MY PUPPY and I am sure you will come up with another good lie story for that one. Oh I meant to say this or I didn't mean it that way. Just like your 50 yr. vet. "Oh Buster really wasn't that sick, I just made that up for the drama and to cause Donna Roberts more grief" Let's hear that one.

The damage is done, its over, you have ruined my life and my family's life. We have the PROOF and the losses add up.

Kathrine- See I told you so, she will never answer, she can't tell the truth.
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#113 Consumer Comment

THIS CAN HAPPEN TO ANY BREEDER- WATCH OUT !!!!!

AUTHOR: Tiger Lady - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 21, 2008
I have breed dogs for 5 years now, I won't even tell you what BREED because I am terrified. I just sold a litter of 11 pups this past two weeks and 4 came up with coccidia and 1 came up with giardia. They are 9 weeks old and my vet wormed them and gave them shots. The vet checked the stools twice and there was nothing. HOW DID THIS HAPPEN ????

This is my third litter. I have three adult dogs, all healthy. I am stunned and upset.

Thank God, Thank God the wonderful people who bought my pups aren't turning me into the SPCA. I couldn't imagine that horror. I did everything right, the vet did all the medical work, I feed the best food and my house is spotless.

Yet according to the reports here just selling a pup having the parasite is enough to get me a ticket ( $1000 fine) for each pup sold.

My vet tells me its was from the stress of the move after I sold them. That all pups can carry these parasites and they will not affect the pup until the body breaks down and allows them to multiply.

I feel so bad for Donna being hounded by a money-hungry grub.

The last two pups still have to go to the vets' for their exam so I am keeping my fingers crossed.
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#112 Author of original report

Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese convicted of Animal Cruelty, Violations of NJ Consumer Law

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 21, 2008

I did not "do" this or anything else to you or your family. It seems due to your lack of responsibility you have created this nightmare.

I did not "send" the SPCA to your house, I am tired of you blaming me for everything. I filed complaints with different agencies as it is my right as a consumer. I was following proper procedure and exercising my legal rights. There were previous complaints against you, by others, as well.

I don't know why you can't settle this, once and for all! I am not worried about anything, nothing to hide here..but, you have created a new dilemma for yourself. It's all written here and speaks for itself.

I did not say all breeders, in fact, I said it's sad for the good breeders...the "responsible breeders".. I know there are good Havanese breeders, I just didn't choose one of them..in my opinion!

Please, read things more carefully. It is clear that you threatened me, so, I don't know what you think you can gain, especially, with your latest false accusations.

Please, retract your allegation regarding "animal abuse"...immediately! (Third and last request for retraction)

Perhaps if you hadn't been Convicted of Animal Cruelty and found in Violation of NJ Consumer Law, then, just maybe...this would not have happened.

You're only making it worse, just deal with it!

I told...YOU, Mark and the Judge everything that happened from the moment we brought Buster home.
READ IT AND THEN READ IT AGAIN!! Once again, stop nit picking, the facts are the facts. Stop the personal attacks. You're not reading things carefully enough.

Are you seriously commenting on clothes??? Seriously??? You're kidding, right?? I won't even go there...you cannot seem to stay focused and go off on these odd rantings all the time, it's a bit unsettling.

NOTHING IS FUNNY, AT ALL. Your comments are way out of line, offensive and rude..you continue to show your lack of character and integrity.

Kathrine-Donna was sent the bills, the list, the totals, the letters, the Unfit, the Election of Option Form...etc.. We still have nothing, except inaccurate information and personal attacks against us... nothing else that is required by law.

All the information has been provided to the Breeder, if she needs another outline or detailed list, that's another issue.

I apologize if you are truly who you say you are. it's a shame I have to feel so suspicious about people, I never used to feel that way, it has become necessary when dealing with these issues.
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#111 Consumer Comment

fee's

AUTHOR: Kathrine - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2008
No I am not Donna nor would I like to be in her shoes! I just stated give her a figure how much money do you want back and where the figure comes from in a form of a list. As Donna states you never gave her an exact amount. You just state you paid $650.00 for the puppy and the vet bills are that to exact. Write down a list of treatments and the fee next to each item for the parasites.
That is not to much to ask.
You BOTH keep rambling on about the same EXACT thing. So be to the POINT!
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#110 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Kathrine- Did you Really expect Laurie to Answer Questions?

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2008
Kathrine, didn't you know by looking at this entire report that Laurie does not answer any questions asked of her. Laurie cannot answer these questions in public because that would prove she is a LIAR. That would prove to her adoring fans that she Lies and makes up cr*p for attention and to slander me and my family, or for that matter all the dog BREEDERS IN NJ.

And Anon, this is not about the puppy, it never was about the puppy, it is about the money. Mr. and Mrs. Woodstock want a free dog.
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#109 Author of original report

Kathrine

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2008
Kathrine,

Your comment is unsettling, to say the least, but, thanks!

I have explained this a hundred times to Donna. The law is stated clearly, this discussion should have ended months ago. Ms. Roberts could have contested the Unfit and followed proper procedures when she received it..but, she did not...ok, so....she remains in violation. Ms. Roberts was convicted of Animal Cruelty. You make it seem ok that she was convicted and is now making false accusations against me...that's just seems too strange. She told me to send it and she would take care of it, after all, if there was an issue, she should have addressed it at the time.

Seriously, if you did not go through this you can hardly judge me, that's not really appropriate or fair. I did everything correctly. This was another opportunity for Donna to take care of these issues.

This has all been explained, everyone knows the truth, plain and simple. I certainly do not need to justify anything to anyone. We told the Judge, he made the decision. There are rules and regulations of NJ Consumer Law that have been ignored, these are the facts.

Thanks for your lack of concern, as well...if you are not "Donna" you might as well be.

Anyone that wants to speak with me directly, feel free!
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#108 REBUTTAL Individual responds

No False Allegation HERE

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2008
Oh about the animal abuse, IT STANDS< you admitted to abuse and cruelity.

READ YOUR STATEMENTS: The puppy was so so sick, the puppy had to be spoon fed, the puppy was suffering

YOU WAITED 10 DAYS TO TAKE THE SICK, SICK PUPPY TO THE VET THAT IS ABUSE.

READ YOUR STATEMENTS AND LIES: THAT IS YOU ABUSING ME AND MY FAMILY

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU!!!!!!!!
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#107 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Keep My Family out of this

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2008
My grandchildren had on their play costumes on, if that is of any concern to you but you wouldn't know that because you have no children.

Do you and your Husband always go around dressing like you just came home from Woodstock? That was the first thing Ann said after you left.

Laurie your lies will catch up to you. I have not lied, I have not made up any stories, I have been the one to be harassed by all the agencies you sent here and found nothing. Even the SPCA found nothing. I have only defended myself and my family against the Hate Monger YOU ARE.

I DID NOT SELL YOU A SICK DOG AND I DO NOT HAVE TO PUT UP WITH YOUR CR*P

Damages to myself and my family are in the thousands and can be proven. My daughters have nothing to do with you and they have their own dogs but read your cr*p, you slander them over and over again.

Are you still LAUGHING? WE AREN'T.
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#106 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Donna Roberts is not Threatening Anyone

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2008
I wonder how you would feel if someone like this Laurie was slandering you and your family and does so to this day. Lieing to everyone who will listen to her garbage, this is serious, she takes credit for calling agencies to harass me and my family. I am not going to stand by and let her continue to ruin my life and that of my kids (both my daughters are dog breeders-that have no complaints against them but are being affected by all the garbage that Laurie is making up to get at me) I met with a Lawyer yesterday and put it into his hands along with a copy of all her lies and allegations, so you see Anon there are no threats, I do not make threats. What she says in these posts are LIES- NOTHING BUT LIES. And her own VET will prove that wait and see.

She is doing this so I can't sell my puppies, she wants to turn everyone against me because her pup came up with a parasite. It is down right wrong. I have bred dogs for a long time and sure as in any business there will be a couple of mishaps, or misunderstandings but it is Laurie that took it TO FAR. And if you go to any long time Breeder who is honest tell them this "story" and see what they say to you.

Would you like your RIGHTS all stomped over By the SPCA (they were sent by Laurie) They didn't follow the law, they totally ignored the fact of getting a warrant they just HARASS, so Anon do you still think I am over the top? Well I am not the only one who thinks a major miscarry of Justice took place here, think again, I have the backing of several dog clubs with hundreds of members who made donations to my legal fund to fight this injustice. I am fighting for the rights of all dog breeders across the United States. Laurie and her Lynch mob have made up so much crap and lies it's unreal. They have taken anthills into mountains and you want me to backdown and let it go? Let my daughters, who have pups right now, suffer because of the Hate Monger Laurie and that their beautiful, little pups don't get into homes that they deserve. My Daughters didn't do anything to Laurie nor anyone else, Laurie puts down all Havanese breeders in NJ, she is telling people that they all have giardia and cocci which is NOT TRUE.

There are 4 other Breeders that are losing sales in NJ because of Laurie and they are meeting on Sat. to discuss how to proceed against her and her husband. So Anon I am not alone and I am no the only one who is bing affected by HER LIES!!

Anon, none of these pups were sick, none of these pups were declared sick by a vet within the 14 day timeframe but Laurie for one doesn't want to accept that, she loves causing me and my family grief so what comes around goes around.
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#105 Author of original report

Anon

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2008
Anon-You are correct, but, it's hard to sit back and allow someone to make false statements and now serious accusations, completely, false accusations about me. That is a serious allegation, that I believe should have been thought through more carefully.

I hope no one ever has to go through this, ever again, no one deserves to be treated this way, no one!!

Thank you, for you comments, it has gotten even more ridiculous than I ever imagined. Take care and I will do my best!!!!
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#104 Author of original report

Anon

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2008
Anon-You are correct, but, it's hard to sit back and allow someone to make false statements and now serious accusations, completely, false accusations about me. That is a serious allegation, that I believe should have been thought through more carefully.

I hope no one ever has to go through this, ever again, no one deserves to be treated this way, no one!!

Thank you, for you comments, it has gotten even more ridiculous than I ever imagined. Take care and I will do my best!!!!
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#103 Author of original report

Anon

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2008
Anon-You are correct, but, it's hard to sit back and allow someone to make false statements and now serious accusations, completely, false accusations about me. That is a serious allegation, that I believe should have been thought through more carefully.

I hope no one ever has to go through this, ever again, no one deserves to be treated this way, no one!!

Thank you, for you comments, it has gotten even more ridiculous than I ever imagined. Take care and I will do my best!!!!
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#102 Author of original report

Anon

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2008
Anon-You are correct, but, it's hard to sit back and allow someone to make false statements and now serious accusations, completely, false accusations about me. That is a serious allegation, that I believe should have been thought through more carefully.

I hope no one ever has to go through this, ever again, no one deserves to be treated this way, no one!!

Thank you, for you comments, it has gotten even more ridiculous than I ever imagined. Take care and I will do my best!!!!
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#101 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Havanese breeder, Convicted of Animal Cruelty, Making False Accusations, serious issue

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2008

Your response is just filled with more contradictions and excuses..I will not acknowledge the false statements, no matter how hard you try...you can't make your story come true, you have contradicted yourself so many times.

I would advise you to retract your false accusation, immediately. You have proven my point so many times, I appreciate that.

Once again...WRONG, FALSE, OUTRAGEOUS and typical!

You were CONVICTED of ANIMAL CRUELTY, and found in VIOLATION OF NJ CONSUMER LAW, these are true statements, I don't just make up things that cannot be proven. I would never discredit or accuse anyone of anything without proof positive and you really shouldn't either. It shows you will stop at nothing and I can say without exception..your allegation against me is an outright lie and you know it is which makes it worse. But, that seems to have become all you know how to do, lately!

Do your Grandchildren generally play outside in their nightgowns?? Just curious, I'm not judging that point, just wondered??

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#100 Consumer Comment

LETS GET ON WITH OUR LIVES NOW!!

AUTHOR: Anon - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 20, 2008
I personally find the threats to be OUTRAGEOUS! Donna you have gone above and beyond defending yourself. You are now making threats! I did not see Laurie make one threat towards you.

This truly does show what type of person you are Donna. You have little regard for your puppies.

I think this whole thing has gotten way out of control. Nothing good is going to come of this bantering.

PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF YOURSELVES AND YOUR FAMILIES.......LET IT GO! STOP ARGUING. STOP THE FIGHTING AND BICKERING!

I wonder if the all might ripoff report will actually post this. They seem to like to pick and choose what they want to post and allow people to be threatened!
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#99 Consumer Comment

Soap opera

AUTHOR: Kathrine - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 19, 2008
I have been sitting back reading ALL these responses from each of you. This is better than All My Children I have to tell you.

Laurie WHY did you wait 10 days to take the puppy to the vet if he was SO sick(spoon feeding WOW that must have been a very sick puppy)? Certainly if your vet could not see him before 10 day you could have taken him to a 24 hour vet hospital like Mt. Laurel animal, or Columbus which I see is not to far from you when I googled your address.

Why didn't you call Donna the 2nd day the puppy was so sick and NOT eating without being spoon fed so SHE could take it to HER vet if you could not afford the vet bills?

Laurie I see you want Donna to do the right thing. What is the right thing? Why don't you SPELL it out word from word from your vet bills. What is the EXACT amount you want refunded? No shots/food/heartworm or any other supply's as you yourself stated you did not expect her to pay.

Just spell it out for her the exact amount and why?
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#98 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie check out your name and address under ANIMAL ABUSER

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 19, 2008
This is where your name belongs. Now everyone has your name, address and phone no. so they can reach you with the TRUTH.

YOU ARE THE ABUSER BOTH ANIMAL AND PEOPLE.
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#97 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Pallante Burlington NJ Animal Abuser

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 19, 2008
Laurie you are the one who abused my puppy. You are the one that caused him so much STRESS that the paraites mulitipled faster that he could shed them. When he was with me there was no sign of him having any parasites.

And get this straight, I am not making up any stories. You were at my house for 20 min. and you want to tell the world how I raise my dogs, what people were at my house ETC. Where do you get off making any statements about what I do! I sold you a puppy, I didn't give sell you my soul. You have harassed me with phone calls, letters, when you were told NO! from the begining. You hammered and hammered. Even Mark from Consumer Affairs grew tired of the crap (even though he would never admit it) Check out your own statements, you admit to sending every agency you could think of out to harass me and now you say you didn't harass me, that's bullcr*p as usual. Laurie does nothing wrong, her pup came up with two parasites and it's the end of the world. Please!

I have done the RIGHT THING over and over again. I have stuck by the Consumer Laws which you cannot twist around to serve your own purpose. I am not going to give you the money back for the puppy, that's final. You are not entitled to a FREE DOG!! because he had parasites. I answered the first 12 letters you wrote, I answered the BBB letters, I answered the 8 Consumer Affairs Letters, I gave the State Board of Health a tour of my property and I gave the County Board of Health a tour of my property (neither of which found anything wrong with my dogs) I was subjected to harassment from the SPCA because of YOU, even they did not find anything wrong with my dogs or my property. And you still are out there slandering me and putting me down because your pup had parasites, what you have done is totally WRONG. and you still don't get it. I have bred dogs all my life and you are not going to stop me with your bullsh*t lies and slander. It's never going to happen, you are out there preaching on BAD BREEDERS in NJ. You have no clue whatsoever what a bad breeder is. If you think it's a Breeder who sold a pup with a parasite then that would include 98% of all breeders in the US. Parasites are common but if you accepted that fact you couldn't B*tch.

When you were here there were two other adults at the patio table, my Daughter and Ann who bought the white male. The kids were in the backyard playing and they were just playing with the pups when you arrived. There are no stories on my part, just facts. You are the one who said my backyard was dirt and I have pictures and witnesses that KNOW its covered in lush grass. So when you are claiming I am not telling the truth you better get your stories straight.

I did nothing wrong, yes the pup came up with parasites but I did not know they were there when I sold the pup as he had no signs of them being in his system. When he went to your house I don't know what stress he had to endure, the change of water, change of food, change of the air value (we do not smoke) all this was stress that affected his body and allowed the parasites to multiply. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN AT MY HOUSE!!!! It was your responsibility to make sure he was kept in a stress free enviroment, which you did not.

And then you have the nerve to BLAME me. Then you say the pup is so, so sick and wait 10 days to take him to the vet and you say you take care of your animals. You wasted 10 days calling and harassing me when I wasn't even home instead of taking the pup to the vet and its not about the money, you claim. You didn't take him to the vet because you didn't want to spend any money for the vet. This whole thing with you was about the MONEY and how you want me to do the Right thing in your mind to REFUND the purchase price and vet bills so you get a FREE DOG. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS GUILTY OF ANIMAL ABUSE.

I don't think this is a game and you will not think it is either. I had my back to you when you and your husband were laughing very loudly in court. So I did not see your face (another lie) Just have your Homeowners Ins. paid. You do own a home Don't You? What you have done to me and my entire family will not be left here, I can assure you that. So you keep ON POINT!! See where that gets you!!
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#96 Author of original report

Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese, sold puppies with Contagious and Infectious disease! Stop the madness, do the right thing!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 18, 2008
For more than 50 years, the compassionate staff at Bryan Animal Hospital has been treating your pets with excellent medicine and the warmth and concern that all pets and owners deserve.
I said the Vet..meaning the Veterinary Hospital has been in business for 50 years...I thought that was clear. I apologize if you did not understand that. You need to stop nit picking, it's makes you look ridiculous and petty...all my details are accurate even if you can't seem to comprehend the meaning.

Yes, your Grandchildren were there, and no one (meaning the children) no one was playing with the puppies...that's it..no other people were there as you claim. There was not any lady or any other adults present..ok, is that better??? You agree with that, now..correct??

The grass is not the issue, all the other nonsense is just that...nonsense! We have nothing to hide and nothing to worry about. You have gotten so far off topic, it's ridiculous

We know what was wrong with the puppies...we all know. Stop your threats and please, just do the right thing, that's all that needs to be done, once and for all!!

This is not a joke and it is not amusing at all!! I find nothing funny about puppies with contagious/infectious disease, hernias, ear infections..etc...etc...or "breeders" and people in general that show no common decency! I was not laughing in Court, you looked right at me, not so much as a smile on my face.

Once again, we have nothing to worry about, there are so many things that you obviously have no clue about. The facts are clear, we have told the truth. For the last time...we didn't do anything wrong, you were Convicted and were in clear violation of NJ Consumer Law.

I am done, obviously, you aren't reasonable enough to just do the right thing. I'm not going to continue this back and forth nonsense. Donna, I tried, remember I TRIED and asked you several times as nicely as possible to fix this. I'm not the one throwing around insults and making up stories. I did not and will not lie! You have had plenty of time to take care of business, this is just another delay tactic for you, hoping to just make it go away.

Donna, it's not going away...you can threaten me, all you want...whatever makes you feel better, but, the truth will always be the truth. Make up your mind once and for all, get your "story" straight. Oh, and remember you started the whole thing, first by selling puppies with contagious/infectious diseases..etc...then by being so argumentative, rude and dismissing the facts, the Vets and Us..then by writing all the false statements about us to Consumer Affairs and on your web site...remember YOU did that and we have every right to tell our side of the issues at hand.

Your "checkmate" response just proves my point about your lack of serious consideration of these matters and the need to rectify the situation without the games, name calling, insults and threats that you have used so freely. Make sure you document everything you have said about all of us..and all the inconsistencies in your stories...all the threats, insults and "slanderous" remarks and harassing tactics that you have used...you will then realize you have gone entirely over the top, not me. I stated the truth and did not do anything wrong. I did not "harass", "threaten" or "slander" you.
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#95 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Donna Roberts Does Not SELL Sick PUPPIES

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 15, 2008
Laurie, You are the LIAR, just like your statement on your vet that has been in business for 50 years, This is a good example of how you blow everything out of porportion. Dr. Horn is about 37 years old, so how could she be in business for 50 years. See LIAR, it's catching up on you and so will your statements on how sick Buster was. Let's see what Dr. Horn says when she Is called to testify. How are you going to swear with what statements you have written here on HOW SICK BUSTER WAS and have no evidence to back it up, tell us we would all like to know that one.

Also on the day you came to buy Buster you were her for 20 min. and for that you think that you are going to pass judgement on me for the rest of my life "NO WAY". On that day there were several people here before, during and after you were here. And even in your postings you said my grandchildren were here with the pups, so WHO is the crazy ONE? I have every right to defend myself against a HATE MONGER like you. I have rights and you will soon learn that the hard way.

You have said my goats gave the dogs parasites, that is why I said they were over 223 ft away. I have 5 acres, none of my animals are on top of one another, thay all have their own space and plenty of it. Thats why I do not live in a row home. I have always lived on farms with land.

Also FYI parasites do not deem a dog sick, neither does a tiny hernia or an ear infection (which Buster did not have-he had dirty ears thats it) NONE of the Tickets said SICK PUPPY, so that is SLANDER. You basically admitted harassment in these postings thanking everyone who is helping you harass and slander me, so keep up the good work and will you please make sure your insurance is paid up.

Laurie, I know when you were at my house, standing on the grass (not dirt) which has to be mowed once a week to keep it from looking like a jungle, you never listened to anything I said, why I don't know and right now I really don't care, I only sold you a healthy puppy but do yourself a favor now, listen carefully, You may think what you have done to me and my family is a joke and yes I heard you laugh the loudest in "Court" but I can assure you as I sit here typing again that you will not be laughing for to much longer. CHECKMATE!
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#94 Author of original report

Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese, Convicted of Animal Cruelty, sold puppies with contagious/infectious disease!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 15, 2008
First of all, it is impossible to "hear" something that was never even said!! You never told me half the things you claim! No one else was there, so don't try to fabricate another story...seems funny you just NOW mention that according to you there were others present...that's bizarre to say the least, but, typical.

I did not say he was on his "death bed", and that is a sickening thing for you to say, along with some of the other things you have said about the puppies. I said "he was a very sick little puppy."

Donna, the puppies had parasites, hernias, ear infections, etc..when they were sold, that is a proven fact. I know it's hard to admit that you made such a fatal error, but, it will be better for everyone if you just deal with it and take care of the issues.

You can call it what you want, "complaining" "whining" (among other things, according to you), classify it as you wish, but, it is simple really...I will not settle for misrepresentations, untrue facts and more "stories" than any one person should be able to make up. I will not just settle with your word and your "truth" if you can call it that....not when we know the real truth. I won't settle for anything less than the best for these puppies and what they deserve...their rights and our rights are the issues at hand..the issues that you are neglecting to acknowledge and the issues that you continue to dimiss. The issues that will not just go away because you don't want to admit you were wrong and refuse to take responsibility for your actions.

This back and forth is certainly and obviously doing no good, you'll keep fighting until you think we will just give up, well, that's not happening but, I am not arguing anymore!

I don't know where you possibly come up with things, but, once again, your reply is full of false statements and inconsistencies, the more you write the more outrageous your story becomes.. I said the goats were in the yard and that we saw them..I don't know what you thought I meant, but, you are so over the top, it's ridiculous.

No one was playing with the puppies in the yard, they were in the pen that I described earlier. The Vet thing, well...you should know what I'm talking about, even the Board of Health stated that you had NO Supervising Vet on both visits in August.

So many questions, still now answers, so many discrepancies and just more excuses and stories from you!!
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#93 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie you still Don't Get It

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 14, 2008
Laurie I supplied you with everything you were entitled to recieve with the sale of the puppy.

I have not only one vet but three vets listed in previous answers. My vets see every puppy when it is 8 weeks old including that litter and everyone passed.

I do not need a supervising vet for my dogs as I take them to the vet. A supervising vet is one that comes to the house and I don't fall under that catagory of Breeders. Once a year all my dogs are examed, CERFED, are given shots. Every month they recieve Revolution and wormed. Every three months they are groomed, teeth cleaned and nails done.

My CERFS are for the parents and there is no Law that you are entitled to them. Buster is old enough now, take him to Dr. Clinton in Medford and get him CERFED. Easy. Unfortunately like all these all tests, (CERF-BAER-OFA) Having parents that are 100% clear does not mean that the offspring will not be affected. So HURRY, HURRY highly unlikely but you might have something else to B*tch about.

And yes I believe Dr. Horn is a good vet that is why she refused to find Buster UNFIT right from the begining, it is you that make her look bad, it's your lies about how "sick" Buster was and your bullcr*p because if you were telling the truth, Dr. Horn did a great inservice to the puppy by not providing Hospital care, fluids, bloodwork, etc. She FAILED as a vet to properly care for her patient. Think about that Laurie. You not only lie to make me look bad your lies make her look incompetent. You Praise her then make her look like an idiot behind her back and don't think for one minute that nobody hasn't noticed that little detail.

The fact of the matter is when you came here to buy Buster there were several people here. Just my point and you just proved it, they can testify to what I said to you (as you claim you didn't hear me) They can testify to my grass (no dirt) testify to the pictures I took of Buster (his name was Toby) All that you say is lies. How my grandchidren were playing with Buster and running all over the place (Sick dogs do not play)

As far as my Goats. They are in a six foot chainlink corral (50 x 50) that is over 223 ft from the back of my house. So you were no where near my Goats. Another LIE. It seems like you are the one who lives in a fog and doesn't know which end is up.

You keep writing SOLD SICK PUPPIES, it must make you feel good that your lies can destroy a family, every loser in life relishes in the misery they can cause others because their own live is so sad but everytime you write that you are slandering me as none of my puppies were declared sick. That is a count for everytime it is written in this article. Not one pup even had a fever, not one pup was put in the hospital, like I said before if the Vets who examed the pups, Dr. Horn, Dr. Freiland and Dr. Ramsy (who by the way was told directly by the SPCA he was not needed to show up even after I summoned him) If any of them showed up and TESTIFED the outcome would have been quite different.

A dog cannot be on it's deathbed and a vet give it a boostershot. So decide carefully on how you would to proceed with your lies and slander.
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#92 Author of original report

Shady Oak Havanese/Donna Roberts Convicted of Animal Cruelty, Violated NJ Consumer Law, sick puppies!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 13, 2008
Are you confused again, or still??


I am not concerned at all, I have nothing to worry about, my truth has not changed, the facts are clearly stated and I don't need to explain "away" anything, we all know the truth.

Dr. Horn explained her findings in the letter. The Vet has the information. Dr.'s Horn and Slavin are wonderful Vets. We would all like to know why you did not have a Supervising Vet. and why no health records for the puppies are available? Before you question others I think it would be a good idea to have accurate documentation, which you did not provide to us or to the Court. Remember, you were unable to prove that the puppies were seen by a Vet, in fact, you could not provide the name of the Vet of record.

There should be serious concerns here if it was not known that these puppies had parasites, hernias, ear infections, etc..while under your "supervision." They obviously were never examined by a licensed Vet. and I mean from their date of birth not just right before they were purchased. I simply assumed that you would make all information available and would be happy to show the Cerf's, etc.. sorry, if I gave you the benefit of the doubt. If there is nothing to hide, you would be offering all the information without such a fight.

I have not stated anything that was not a fact. We have the UNFIT, you were CONVICTED and CONSUMER AFFAIRS found YOU in VIOLATION, that is spelled out in the previous reports and the letters we received. Consumer Affairs found you as "subject uncooperative"and in violation of code regulations regarding the sale of dogs...subject being you, by the way!!

I have not slandered, harassed or threatened you, I have told the truth..perhaps you should read the things you have said about me, I would suggest that you stop your insults and threats, please, as I have asked you to do several times.

"Meet" the person (lady) that was there??? Meaning, we obviously never "met" her or saw her (thank you)...it was US, the Puppies, your Grandchildren, YOU and the goats, that's it!! I'm sure there will be yet another "story" how she mysteriously appeared and/or disappeared.


Giardia and Coccidia are parasitic diseases....explained previously! Giardia and Coccidia are contagious/infectious diseases!!
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#91 REBUTTAL Individual responds

There's a Big Difference, Didn't you listen

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 12, 2008
Laurie yes I was there because of your LIES. The Judge never said the pups were sick, didn't you hear him. Just the fact that he was misled into thinking that a parasite was a disease was the reason I was found guilty.

And didn't you hear him say that he believed that I took care of the pups and provided them with food, shelter, water and medicine. Thats why he dropped the 4 tickets for not providing susedence. I was found innocent on those charges. I have that all in the transcript.

He never said any of the pups were sick, neither did the SPCA vet, she just said they had a parasite, or ear infection. That's why The SPCA didn't want any of the vet's there that examined the pups firsthand, then they couldn't railroad a verdict. Having the one vet read notes and say what the SPCA put in her mouth was totally bogus.

And you will meet the lady that was here, I promise you that. You have said so many lies and slander how will you explain that away? How will you justify ruining my family's life? How will you feel when Dr. Horn sets the record straight?

As far as the Consumer Affairs, I followed the rules, you just don't like it because for once in a thousand they are protecting the Breeder but that is why they were written to proptect both sides. You refuse to accept that and you refuse to accept that your tragic STORY isn't all that you make it to be.

Where in that vet bill do you see SICK DOG, no where but then again Dr. Horn doesn't know what she is doing right? We will see how she feels about your statements about this sick puppy. I am sending her a copy of this entire report so she can tell what she is dealing with and how you LIE.
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#90 Author of original report

DONNA ROBERTS/SHADY OAK HAVANESE, CONVICTED OF ANIMAL CRUELTY FAILED TO FOLLOW NJ CONSUMER LAW, PUPPIES WITH CONTAGIOUS AND INFECTIOUS DISEASE(S)

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 11, 2008
Were you in Court that day??? Did you hear what I told the Prosecutor and the Judge??? Ok, have you read my comments?

You were convicted of Animal Cruelty and you violated NJ Consumer Law!!

I am not explaining this again, it has been written in the letters and told to the Judge, that's why he found you guilty because of the evidence and hearing the truth from the OWNERS of the puppies.

We have all the accurate information and have nothing to hide, everything was done correctly, you're desperate attempts to place the blame on everyone else, did not and will not work.

We do not have to justify our actions to anyone, this is way out of line and off point once again! NO ONE else was at your home the day we "showed up" for our appointment, do you remember what time it was?? Doesn't matter, we live with a clear conscience and know the truth, please, stop blaming everyone else!
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#89 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Typical Laurie Pallante Response

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 11, 2008
Laurie when you were here there was another woman sitting at the patio set. She bought one of the white pups. She had been there before you and we were going to go over some pictures of my show dogs when you showed up. She was there when I took the pictures so if you want me to have her call you, I will.

You got your Health Records that are required by the NJ CONSUMER LAW, READ IT. IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT CERFS, ETC. OR RECORDS ON THE PARENTS.

Also on the Sales agreement you signed a waiver of re-examination of the pup.

MY puppy was not sick when he left me, you claim he was, WHY would you buy a sick puppy? Then to top it off you wait 10 days to get the puppy to the vet. You abused my puppy and endangered his life. You said he was so sick, so sick he could hardly walk and you had to carry him and spoon feed him yet you allowed him to be this way and waited 10 days and watched him SUFFER. You should be charged with ANIMAL ABUSE.

When you FINALLY take my puppy to the vet, the vet gives him a DHLP-PV Booster. That is criminal, giving such a sick puppy a booster shot, it says right on the insert of the shots not to booster a sick pup. I think Dr. Horn should be charged with malpractice, don't you? I have all your rantings on how sick this pup was so I think we both should look into that, we should not allow her to booster sick pups it is a dangerous threat to their little lives. I think we should charge her and you will be the main witness, you and all you rantings on how sick this puppy was and the vet didn't see it. You should get your money back after all she has to be incompetent.

Its also strange that Dr, Horn does not hospitalize the pup, to give it fluid and round the clock care. This is so serious that you have destroyed my life and my family's lives, with your slander and bad mouthing, yet Dr. Horn doesn't find this pup sick, she found nothing but a parasite. What is wrong with that woman, doesn't she know that you ruined families lives over how sick this puppy was yet she doesn't see it.

ANot only once does Bryan Animal Hospital see my pup but 6 days later again to be xrayed for a blockage and again they do not hospitalize him, I don't get it, this is a very sick pup, more malpractice for sure.

Now your attempts at EXTORTION.

You bought the pup on July 29, 2007

The first vet visit was on July 10, 2007 Dr. Horn attending vet

Exam was --------------------------------------------------------$43.00
DA2MP Puppy Series (Booster Shot)------------------------------$21.50
Fecal (poop check)----------------------------------------------$18.50
Giardia Snap Test (test for giardia parasite)------------------------$30.00
Albon Tabs 250 mg. (6 pills for cocci parasite)----------------------$15.00
Panacur Suspension (med for giardia parasite)----------------------$15.00
Iverhart Plus 0-25 per dose (one dose for heartworm preventative---$4.00
Frontline Plus K9 per dose (one dose for fles/tick preventative)------$18.00
Treasderm 7.5 ml (to clean and treat ears)-------------------------$17.40
Tax------------$4.86
Total Invoice---$187.26

This is what was given to a very sick, near dead puppy. This vet certainly doesn't know what she is doing, does she? No fluids, No antibotics, No bloodwork, No hospital stay. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!!

My life and my family has been ruined by this WOMAN because of her outragous LIES and SLANDER. She abuses my puppy, then me, then my family.
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#88 Author of original report

UPDATE

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 10, 2008
The truth would be nice...for you to stop your outrageous behavior and stop playing the game you've been playing for entirely too long.

Stupid??? You can keep hoping I am!! Sorry, to disappoint you!!

Why didn't you respond to my calls before you left for Florida? I never called and threatened you...it's not what I do, I tried to discuss it sensibly but, you continued to deny any wrong doing, tried to excuse it all away, another time I was attacked by you and your Daughter, screaming at me and being indignant, rude and using obscene language and I didn't yell back at you, I tried to be reasonable with you...I would have appreciated a little more cooperation, instead of dismissing it from the start. I have spoken to you three times on the phone, I have never left a threatening message nor have I harassed you...why were you afraid to answer the phone??? I guess you thought I would just go away, like others have in the past, I'm sure and that's why you never picked up the certified mail or priority mail that I sent you, that's why I sent letters to both your home address and PO Box. I really thought you would have called the next day or two after we bought the puppy to see how he was doing.....now, it's all so clear to me...that was such an inexcusable thing for you to do to these puppies. I tried calling and you were nowhere to be found.

I think your memory is failing you, because, you have twisted things around so much, you don't know the truth, anymore.

You need to do the right thing, that is all we have asked from the start, actually, things would have been much easier if you had just followed NJ Consumer Law, and didn't sell sick puppies in the first place, don't keep saying you didn't know what you were supposed to do, that you didn't know "that law", because, that only makes it worse.

Why didn't you supply all the required documents?? What are you trying to hide? It just seems you should have known what you were supposed to do...all of a sudden, you knew the laws when we said we had a problem. Why can't I have the documentation for my puppy, the health records from the VET that examined him?? The Cerf's for the Parents that you claim are done every year, and on and on??

You were found in Violation of NJ Consumer Law, not us...you were convicted of Animal Cruelty, we did nothing wrong!!

No, by the way I am not stupid, however, I was a fool to believe that you were a responsible breeder and actually cared about these puppies. I was wrong to think that you actually would follow the Law as it is written, not how you want it to be. I must have been incredibly foolish to think you would do the right thing and take care of these issues.

You have now said so many offensive things to me, I am numb to your attempts to redirect the attention...it's typical behavior. I am sure it makes you feel better about yourself to put-down others....we all know what that means...I guess that's why you do it so often. It didn't work in the first place, it hasn't worked so far and it will not work anymore.

By the way, they are not the puppies we saw that day, and the area was as described previously. Your insults don't bother me..I simply consider the source!!
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#87 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie-All you are after is Revenge

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 08, 2008
The only reason you are on this site is because you have an audience. And you go on and on about sick pups, the two pups that were mine were not DECLARED SICK BY YOUR VET and the other was not declared sick either. Both got Booster shots on their FIRST visit to the vet. If this pup was sick WHY did you wait 10 days to seek help. It's all bull and you know it. You are just in love with the attention and the fact that you have somone to harass and try to Bully. If I had given you your money back and you got a free puppy like you demanded you'd be all honky doory because that is what you wanted from the begining. The Agreement of Sale is clear you had 14 days to check the pup out and if he failed the vet exam I would have to pay the bill for the problem. This is about the 30th time I have told you this but you still want to cause trouble and whine.

Dr. Horn DID NOT FIND BUSTER SICK and this was 10 days after he left me, so he was not sick when you bought him.

My backyard is all grass, there is no dirt. How stupid are you? Are you blind too?
Look at the picture!!!

I am not usually like this with people who have my babies but you have made that impossible to be any other way. You call my house numerous times with threats and screaming about what am I going to do about things that are not my responsibility.

SO LAURIE WHAT'S IT GOING TO TAKE FOR YOU TO STOP HARASSING ME AND MY FAMILY MEMBERS?

SPELL IT OUT ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!!
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#86 Author of original report

Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese Sick Puppies, Convicted Of Animal Cruelty, Violated NJ Consumer Law

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 08, 2008
Also, your stated prices in your ad was $650-$1500!
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#85 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Shady Oak Havanese/Sick puppies, Havanese breeder in NJ

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 07, 2008
I can post a million times if I want, my truth will never change and I don't continue to come up with outrageous excuses and completely innacurate information. I feel the need to continue to correct your errors, but, will not engage in your childish behavior.

As many times as you write your story and/or change it, it won't make it true.

Inaccurate information, once again, please, read more carefully. I simply reiterate everything that I have said previously.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, plain and simple...stop reaching, nothing will change. Nothing you said is accurate. Buster was on PRESCRIPTION canned food from the Vet. because of the issues and how very sick he was, it helped him very much, too. If you're going to say it, you better be able to back it up, just a suggestion.

No other puppies were available except Dawn's at the time ($650-$950) she could not be reached, but, I emailed several different breeders and have all the emails. So, you should stop that accusation, that's gotten really old, as well as all this misinformation.

We saw the puppies in the pen I described (not the one in the picture) in your back yard which had no grass, it was all dirt at the time.

My statement was: Not ALL breeders!!

The insults...well, thanks...very telling and unbecoming on your part!!
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#84 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Shady Oak Havanese/Sick puppies, Havanese breeder in NJ

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 07, 2008
I can post a million times if I want, my truth will never change and I don't continue to come up with outrageous excuses and completely innacurate information. I feel the need to continue to correct your errors, but, will not engage in your childish behavior.

As many times as you write your story and/or change it, it won't make it true.

Inaccurate information, once again, please, read more carefully. I simply reiterate everything that I have said previously.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, plain and simple...stop reaching, nothing will change. Nothing you said is accurate. Buster was on PRESCRIPTION canned food from the Vet. because of the issues and how very sick he was, it helped him very much, too. If you're going to say it, you better be able to back it up, just a suggestion.

No other puppies were available except Dawn's at the time ($650-$950) she could not be reached, but, I emailed several different breeders and have all the emails. So, you should stop that accusation, that's gotten really old, as well as all this misinformation.

We saw the puppies in the pen I described (not the one in the picture) in your back yard which had no grass, it was all dirt at the time.

My statement was: Not ALL breeders!!

The insults...well, thanks...very telling and unbecoming on your part!!
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#83 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Shady Oak Havanese/Sick puppies, Havanese breeder in NJ

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 07, 2008
I can post a million times if I want, my truth will never change and I don't continue to come up with outrageous excuses and completely innacurate information. I feel the need to continue to correct your errors, but, will not engage in your childish behavior.

As many times as you write your story and/or change it, it won't make it true.

Inaccurate information, once again, please, read more carefully. I simply reiterate everything that I have said previously.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, plain and simple...stop reaching, nothing will change. Nothing you said is accurate. Buster was on PRESCRIPTION canned food from the Vet. because of the issues and how very sick he was, it helped him very much, too. If you're going to say it, you better be able to back it up, just a suggestion.

No other puppies were available except Dawn's at the time ($650-$950) she could not be reached, but, I emailed several different breeders and have all the emails. So, you should stop that accusation, that's gotten really old, as well as all this misinformation.

We saw the puppies in the pen I described (not the one in the picture) in your back yard which had no grass, it was all dirt at the time.

My statement was: Not ALL breeders!!

The insults...well, thanks...very telling and unbecoming on your part!!
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#82 Author of original report

Donna Roberts Shady Oak Havanese/Sick puppies, Havanese breeder in NJ

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, March 07, 2008
I can post a million times if I want, my truth will never change and I don't continue to come up with outrageous excuses and completely innacurate information. I feel the need to continue to correct your errors, but, will not engage in your childish behavior.

As many times as you write your story and/or change it, it won't make it true.

Inaccurate information, once again, please, read more carefully. I simply reiterate everything that I have said previously.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, plain and simple...stop reaching, nothing will change. Nothing you said is accurate. Buster was on PRESCRIPTION canned food from the Vet. because of the issues and how very sick he was, it helped him very much, too. If you're going to say it, you better be able to back it up, just a suggestion.

No other puppies were available except Dawn's at the time ($650-$950) she could not be reached, but, I emailed several different breeders and have all the emails. So, you should stop that accusation, that's gotten really old, as well as all this misinformation.

We saw the puppies in the pen I described (not the one in the picture) in your back yard which had no grass, it was all dirt at the time.

My statement was: Not ALL breeders!!

The insults...well, thanks...very telling and unbecoming on your part!!
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#81 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie, your last post was 7 posts ago??

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 05, 2008
Laurie, you were thrilled to get a Havanese puppy within your price bracket. Alot of other breeders had pups at that time put they wanted $1500. I normally get $950 but stupidly gave you a break. I guess thats why you think I'd be a push over to pay all your upkeep on your dog, right down to the can dog food. I never feed canned of any type, especially with the poison in it these days. You bought Buster with no hesitation.

When you bought Buster he was in an ex-pen (this is a light wire pen much like a human baby yard) He was with his siblings on the grass, except for the huge hole they dug in the corner. He was not in a puppy show playpen (this is a 2 ft x 3 ft pen with a wire mesh bottom that show people use to keep the show dogs clean and dry) I do show my baby pups in them when buyers come so that they do not get dirty (the small pups are closer to the ground and are not old enough to understand to walk around a pee pee place) Look in the picture on my website, he was in no CAGE.

Also when I stated to you that "you never know what you are going to get" I was referring to coat color. I was explaining that you can breed two solid dpgs together and get spotted puppies and vice versa. I guess you didn't hear most of anything I said, even the part about Florida. You might want to have that checked out.

As far as NJ BREEDERS "harming buyers and families" What about buyers who lie, steal and try to cheat the BREEDER? Buyers who want the puppy for nothing and if they don't get their way start calling every agency in the phone book for revenge and for these agencies to do their dirty work for them?

Buyers who drop the puppy, injure the puppy, don't take care of the puppy, or buyer's children who feed the puppy chocolate and run up vet bills then blame the breeder. This does happen and any breeder reading this right now is shaking their head yes. Not every buyer is honest and not every home our pups go to are clean and danger free. So do not put down the BREEDERS of NJ, we work our tails off doing what we do and then someone like you comes along and wants to destroy us over parasites. Mary is right you are a mean and rotten person and I think you know that because in your postings you keep trying to justify your actions,time and time again you claim you are doing this for the good of buyers, do you really think that all the doctors, lawyers, judges, vets that I have sold pups to are unhappy with my pups. Even yourself claim to be totally in love with Buster. Where do you think he got his personallity, his charm, his good, solid breeding to make him the wonderful dog he is. It didn't come in a crakerjack box now did it? It came from me and the expertise of breeding for 40 years so you would like to deprive any other family from owning a puppy as wondeful as Buster? The lady is right "You S*CK"
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#80 Author of original report

The reason!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 05, 2008
I would like to let it be known as clearly as I can possibly explain this:

I am not giving up, I am not backing down!!! We have told the truth and have nothing to hide and nothing to worry about!! I will stay focused on the facts and not be deterred by anyone or anything.

The reason:

I hope this has enlightened others about the horrible breeding practices that are plaguing NJ! No, I am not saying all breeders..I am saying the breeders that continue to take advantage of people and deny everything even when they know the truth. The ones that will fight until the bitter end with accusations, personal attacks and false statements...the ones that think if they talk loud enough or write enough nonsense that no one will hear or see the truth. The breeders that have no compassion for the sick puppies and the families that will be affected by their callous actions...the ones that blame everyone and everything else for their behavior! We have seen a fine example of the type of "breeder" that excels in these areas and more..unfortunately, for all involved, this is what we have been dealing with for months and/or years. We have learned the hard way this is the kind of "breeder" to stay away from in the first place. Sooner or later the well will have to run dry and the excuses and "stories"will be exposed.

I hope with all my heart, this does not happen to anyone else or any other puppy. I know it will take every ounce of effort and strength that I have to make this better, but, I will..even if only in a small way..I will make a difference for these puppies and for all that is right!

Thank you to the responsible breeders, it's a shame these rogue breeders give those of you that do the right thing such a bad name. I recognize the difference now! I was always hesitant about Shady Oak, from the moment I spoke on the phone with the "breeder", but, you excuse things away or rationalize them..I wanted a Havanese puppy so much..Shady Oak was my last choice and the only one that had puppies available...and the rest, well..the story has been told.

I saw the red flags, believe me, I even thought twice..but, once I saw my puppy..he was the first one I noticed...and once I held him and he "hugged" me, well....that was it..I could never have left him and even if I had left him, I know I would have been back in 5 minutes to get him. I felt like I needed to get him out of there and nothing else mattered, just to get the little boy out of the "cage"....just to pick him up and hold him so he didn't have to stand on the dirty bottom of the wire cage anymore..just to take him home and love him. So, if that's a fault, then it's a fault I wouldn't change!

Now, I know some may say...if it was that bad, why didn't I leave..just walk out of there, don't worry I have asked myself that a million times. But, once Buster was in my arms hugging me, well....I melted and knew I could not leave him. Here's the thing......no matter what or how bad it was..we never imagined we would have to go through all of this, especially since it all could have been prevented. I will never forget something Ms. Roberts said to me...she told us "I love breeding these dogs, you never know what you're going to get" well, what we got was a very sick little puppy and months of pain/suffering, heartache, fear and stress. We have dealt with it and taken care of him and would not trade him for anything in the world. I do resent the fact that this had to happen in the first place and that people continue doing this to the helpless puppies, unsuspecting buyers and families, every single day.

We love our puppy and take excellent care of him and we will continue to do so, we get back more love from him than we ever dreamed possible.

If I have helped even one person avoid this kind of nightmare, then it will be worth it..and everything I have done, no matter the outcome has been worth it...my puppy is worth every ounce of energy that I have to give..and he thanks me everyday...that is the reason I can push forward.

Thank you, again, everyone and especially Buster, Myha, Cooper and Rozie for making the battle worth the fight!!!!


If you haven't lived the experience that we have, then it's not really fair to judge or attack me, but, I can take it, I just won't reply to nonsense. The things people say are absolutely unreal to me, is everyone really that ignorant and rude? It seems to me it's such a coincidence that I continue to get put down, but, let's not forget, this is about the puppy and the violations...and that is why the whole thing started...not the money, just the puppies and justice..laws were broken, that, my friends is a fact!! There was a Conviction of Animal Cruelty for selling puppies with a contagious and infectious disease, that's a fact...and the breeder was found in Violation of NJ Consumer Law...if that's not a good enough reason to seek justice..well, call me whatever you want..my heart is true, my purpose is clear and everything else speaks for itself.

Thanks,
Laurie
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#79 Author of original report

Nice try

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 05, 2008
Nice try, not convincing at all!! I do not recall responding to you "Mary" and yet you bash me again..that's fine, I can take it, I'm not worried a bit, but, get the facts straight please, thank you! The violation is stated above as it was in the letters we were both sent, I do not write things unless I have accurate information, perhaps, others should try that!! Your opinion is your own, but, you do not have accurate facts!! I would be appalled if someone had all the factual documents that they would say such trash about me. I will not reply to you again, this is not a game. FACTS and TRUTH...try that!!
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#78 Consumer Comment

The World Hates Mean People !!

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 05, 2008
Laurie you are the one who started this report with what seems every intention of ruining Donna and then you whine that she is defending herself. What did you expect? Her to send you flowers and give you back a full refund for a pup that was not declared unfit by a vet within that 14 days. The contract YOUR HUSBAND signed NOT YOU stated the pup was guaranteed for 14 days. I called and she sent me copies of your stuff and copies of all the letters you sent and copies of the consumer affairs letters (and I could not find anywhere that they found her in violation) and the BBB letters. She did her job and answered every letter, most Breeders would ignore you. but she didn't and then you say she doesn't care. Your vet bills are not for a sick pup and I did notice that the up gained weight while you had him so that proves he was not sick. You are just a very mean person that needs to get a life other than trying to get something for nothing.
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#77 Consumer Comment

Avoiding the TRUTH?

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 04, 2008
It seems like Laurie is avoiding the TRUTH. All she wants is to put Donna down and cause her grief. Laurie has been the attacker from the start even before she posted on this site, she states that she contacted every agency she could. I don't blame Donna for sticking up for herself.

Laurie wants revenge for the money, that is clear through all her postings. It is also clear she wants to ruin Donna and her family because her dog had a problem. Her dog didn't die, wasn't put in the hospital and wasn't declared sick by the vet.

I bought a pup last year that had the same things plus hookworms and roundworms. The vet did give me an unfit and the breeder sent me the money for the meds. Donna sent Laurie the money for the meds but she sent it back so why does she b***h about the money, she sent it back. I called the Consumer Affairs Dept. today and they said it's up to the vet to decide if a pup is unfit or not, and from every post, your vet did not think Buster was sick. So thats it. You have no reason to attack Donna.

I think what you did to her is terrible, with all the pet shops and breeders out there selling really sick dogs to do this to a good breeder, who shows her dogs and really does care, even though you don't think so because she didn't kiss your rearend. I do believe she does care about her dogs but she has been breeding dogs for 40 years so I am sure she has had her fill of dealing with nuts and cheapskates.

I don't know either of you and I only own one dog and two cats but I have read this site over and over again to get a handle of whats going on and I am sorry Laurie YOU SUCK !!!! I am sorry but you do, you may think it made you a hero in some persons eyes to turn this Lady into every agency you can but it backfired, it only makes you look like a very rotten person who didn't get her own way.
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#76 Consumer Comment

LET IT BE! LET IT BE OVER! IT'S SO OVER!

AUTHOR: Anon - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 04, 2008
At the risk of being retaliated against I am going to remain anonymous.

This has gone on way to long. Nothing is being accomplished by continuing to post, and respond, and post and respond!

In my opinion each of you needs to go on with your life and stop this. It's over with. What is done is done. Those you have committed crimes will be punished. Those you have told lies, your day will come as well. Nothing is being accomplished by this nonsense. The true heart of the matter has been so skewed by all this garbage. Nobody even knows what's going on anymore, it's gotten so personal between the two of you. It's about the DOG! It's always been about the DOG and the DOG'S HEALTH.

This has gotten way too personal. It's like two children in a name calling fight and nobody wants to have the last word.

There is so much more to life, so many more worthwhile things that you BOTH could focus on that THIS! IT'S SO OVER! IT'S BEEN OVER!!!


PLEASE!!
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#75 Author of original report

Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese sold sick puppies and she doesn't care!! I am really done with the outrageous attacks!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 04, 2008
This situation has caused enough trauma and stress on myself and my family, not to mention my puppy. We have better things to do and will not continue to waste our energy trying to make you understand.

This was an opportunity for Ms. Roberts to make things right, time and time again, she denies everything.

I am taking this opportunity to let everyone know, I will not be posting any further responses regarding the lies that are being told, as it has gotten completely out of control and off topic. I am happy to share information and tell the story, but, the constant bickering and personal attacks by Ms. Roberts is something I will not tolerate. Since Ms. Roberts has shown her true colors and lack of compassion for these puppies, I feel there is no more that needs to be said and will not justify her lies with any further comments, I do not have to defend myself or my actions.

While visiting your web site, I found a lot of new additions to the site, how convenient. I only wish you had done things correctly before all these issues came to light. You know it runs deeper and reaches farther than just these incidents, but, these incidents are more than enough, or so I would think.

From your web site:
Where is my puppy's health certificate??? You sent me copies of what you supposedly give to buyers now, and it is still inaccurate, you need the documents required by law, why can't you realize the issues at hand? Where is the "quality assistance"...I know it's all fake and false, but, don't write it if you don't want someone to call you on it. As for the shots you gave, well.....that's not allowed by NJ Law either, look it up..I am not going to continue doing all the work for you. That law isn't new either, by the way!!

I cannot believe you have done this, it's unreal to me that you can live with yourself, but, maybe you really believe your story?? I suppose you have told the same version of events so many times, you now think it's true. Whatever, it doesn't really matter, it's just so sad.

These puppies did not deserve this..we did not deserve to be lied to and misled, it's outrageous...it's disheartening and simply morally wrong.

My report and updates speak for themselves, I don't know what you're trying to prove, you're just making things worse for yourself. I don't think it was unreasonable to suggest that just once you could have apologized and showed concern for the puppy, but, it wouldn't have been genuine, so, I guess it's better you didn't...it's just the way you operate, it's what you do.......I wonder if you will ever accept the truth? I don't think it was unreasonable to suggest that you follow NJ Consumer Law.

You reap what you sow....and yes, every dog does have their day, but, you already know that, don't you??

Donna, it's beyond my comprehension how you can actually deny the facts and call me a liar..it doesn't matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true. I, on the other hand, have stated factual and accurate information much of it you already knew from the Consumer Affairs letters and the letters I sent you personally.

You have no conscience, how can you let the suffering continue........I guess you make a lot of money so, who cares about the "merchandise"??

I apologize to everyone that had to read all the nonsense that Ms. Roberts posted...also, I am sorry that I kept acknowledging her, I should have stopped days ago. I just want the truth to be known....I do not want the crimes to go unnoticed and get lost in all the irrelevant information that Ms. Roberts continues to write about, it's another pathetic attempt to take the focus off of the truth..but, when all is said and done.......the truth won't change, Donna, it will always be this way..it won't go away just because you can't face it...I think the time has come for you to face the truth and deal with it...take care of your responsibilities and do the right thing.

Another note: You do not know how long Buster took meds, I have a calendar with days/dosage and just for the record, it wasn't "only 6 days" as if 6 days is ok anyway, it's not, it's uncalled for, just ridiculous. We had a Great Dane for 11 years,(and others with no issues, at all) we certainly know how to take care of dogs..that dog was never sick...not one parasite, nothing. I realize that dogs will have a stomach issue now and then, but, not getting sick every hour, then, when Buster did try to eat, 3 hours later, sick again..these parasites are not something that puppies just have..I have 4 Sisters and a Brother, all except one has a dog, one has three dogs...none of their dogs went through a parasitic infection, had a hernia or suffered with all these health issues.

We have had family pets when we were younger...my Parents found a little dog that was running in the street..she was a stray or someone dumped her, but, either way..even she did not have parasites and was not sick. So, don't presume you know everything about every dog..and that every dog gets parasites, etc... Dr. Horn never said any of the things that you claim, she has been a great help to our puppy and continues to support us...she is an incredible person and a wonderful Doctor. How you got that so twisted, I will never know. She never refused to write the UNFIT, get the facts straight. Wait, I don't care what you think or believe to be true...it just doesn't matter.


So, with all that being said..I think the truth will prevail. I wonder how long you think you can get away with less than appropriate business practices?? I have detailed, itemized bills, I explained everything, I detailed everything. If you cannot understand the facts, by now..then there really is nothing else I can do to help you.

I will only respond to relevant details about this issue. It's clear you are out of the realm of reality and truth, you just cannot accept your culpability for disregarding NJ Consumer Law along with your conviction of Animal Cruelty..so ironic, you said only 3 counts..I would think even one would be unacceptable.

I will not be explaining anything else to you....no matter what you say or do..we all know in our hearts the real truth. Do not try to provoke me and do not continue your "slander" as you call it and threats, it's very telling about your character or lack thereof, but, I simply will not justify your misrepresentations any longer.

Anyone else, I am happy to share, the truth must be known, this must stop!!


Thank you,
Laurie
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#74 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie, you still ignore the questions and your double talking, look back in your rantings!!

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 03, 2008
Cocci and guardia are parasites that can be transmitted to humans or other animals if someone eats the puppy's poop and the stomach acid doesn't eat up the parasite. So are hookworms and roundworms and fleas and ticks but the likelyhood of this happening is pretty slim. So put your DRAMA QUEEN CRAP to bed.

That is Buster in the picture he was the only sable pup I had and he was not sick when he left me. I forgot that I took those pictures that morning until my daughter pointed it out.

I care about my pups and I would have been concerned if there was a reason to be concerned. Just having parasites that are easily taken care of is no concern to go over the deep end, (as per Dr. Horn told you) It goes with the territory of dog ownership, so get used to it.

And you do want me to pay you back $650 for the dog when the bill for the meds for the cocci/guardia where only $43. You have the dog neutered and you want me to pay for the anesthetic and the blood work for the neutering. The $100 for have the tiny, little hernia fixed was not needed, but then it was only $85 to have two testicles cut out and a huge opening stiched up. Doesn't make sense.

In the 40 years I have been breeding dogs I have had less than 10 people make a complaint to me because I do not sell sick pups. That is 4 people every 10 years have a complaint. Hopefully the next 9 years will go peacefully. I have never sold a pup that got parvo or distemper. Have never had a puppy die on someone except for one woman who's kid dropped the puppy on the cement patio and she wanted me to give her another pup because her daughter was upset. Yeah right!! Like that was going to happen in this lifetime. Or the woman who called screaming at me I sold her a sick dog that crawled under the recliner and died.(she had the dog for 4 weeks at that point) After Dr. Cohen did an atopsy he found a green bean caught in the pup's throat, that is what choked the poor pup to death. She said she was sorry, which I accepted, as clearly this was an accident, she did not know by trying to give the pup veggies that would happen, I did sell her another dog which is 14 years old and going strong.

So don't accuse me of not caring, because you are wrong and you and your lynch mob were wrong. But don't think that for one second that because of your slander, badmouthing and harassment that I will give up my dogs that will never happen, never, never, never. I love my dogs they are my life and that will never change.

I have lived, breathed, and loved my dogs all my life. I have had 14 horses at one time, all kinds of animals, pigs, sheep, goats,cats, chickens. I grew up on a horse farm and learned very young how to care for animals, I also learned there are somethings to get excited about and parasites are not one of them. A horse running into a barn and ripping half his side open now thats something to get excited about, or when they go down with colic and need to be walked for 12 hours straight or they will die, that is when you get excited. I don't sweat the small stuff, sorry about that but that is the way it is.

I also worked for a vet for 7 years and I have seen sick dogs and puppies, you have no idea what a sick puppy is believe me. I am sure their are many people out there that bought a pup with liver-shunt, heart problems etc. that can explain to you what a sick pup is. I can bet you too that they would trade for the parasite problem in a heart beat. Giving a pup meds for 6 days sure beats giving a puppy back knowing he's going to die and there is nothing you can do.

But we all know this has nothing to do with caring on your part, you are just worried about the money, you are hell bent on revenge because of the money you feel you should have never had to pay for the upkeep of the pup. Do you actually believe that Buster will never get sick under your expert care, that he will never get another parasite, upset tummy, loose stools. If you do believe that I have a bridge down the street you can buy.

Bottom line, I followed the LAW, I never abused any animal in my life, I don't harass or slander anyone, contrary to what you believe I love my dogs and their pups. ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS WILL, NO MATTER WHAT!
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#73 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie, you still ignore the questions and your double talking, look back in your rantings!!

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 03, 2008
Cocci and guardia are parasites that can be transmitted to humans or other animals if someone eats the puppy's poop and the stomach acid doesn't eat up the parasite. So are hookworms and roundworms and fleas and ticks but the likelyhood of this happening is pretty slim. So put your DRAMA QUEEN CRAP to bed.

That is Buster in the picture he was the only sable pup I had and he was not sick when he left me. I forgot that I took those pictures that morning until my daughter pointed it out.

I care about my pups and I would have been concerned if there was a reason to be concerned. Just having parasites that are easily taken care of is no concern to go over the deep end, (as per Dr. Horn told you) It goes with the territory of dog ownership, so get used to it.

And you do want me to pay you back $650 for the dog when the bill for the meds for the cocci/guardia where only $43. You have the dog neutered and you want me to pay for the anesthetic and the blood work for the neutering. The $100 for have the tiny, little hernia fixed was not needed, but then it was only $85 to have two testicles cut out and a huge opening stiched up. Doesn't make sense.

In the 40 years I have been breeding dogs I have had less than 10 people make a complaint to me because I do not sell sick pups. That is 4 people every 10 years have a complaint. Hopefully the next 9 years will go peacefully. I have never sold a pup that got parvo or distemper. Have never had a puppy die on someone except for one woman who's kid dropped the puppy on the cement patio and she wanted me to give her another pup because her daughter was upset. Yeah right!! Like that was going to happen in this lifetime. Or the woman who called screaming at me I sold her a sick dog that crawled under the recliner and died.(she had the dog for 4 weeks at that point) After Dr. Cohen did an atopsy he found a green bean caught in the pup's throat, that is what choked the poor pup to death. She said she was sorry, which I accepted, as clearly this was an accident, she did not know by trying to give the pup veggies that would happen, I did sell her another dog which is 14 years old and going strong.

So don't accuse me of not caring, because you are wrong and you and your lynch mob were wrong. But don't think that for one second that because of your slander, badmouthing and harassment that I will give up my dogs that will never happen, never, never, never. I love my dogs they are my life and that will never change.

I have lived, breathed, and loved my dogs all my life. I have had 14 horses at one time, all kinds of animals, pigs, sheep, goats,cats, chickens. I grew up on a horse farm and learned very young how to care for animals, I also learned there are somethings to get excited about and parasites are not one of them. A horse running into a barn and ripping half his side open now thats something to get excited about, or when they go down with colic and need to be walked for 12 hours straight or they will die, that is when you get excited. I don't sweat the small stuff, sorry about that but that is the way it is.

I also worked for a vet for 7 years and I have seen sick dogs and puppies, you have no idea what a sick puppy is believe me. I am sure their are many people out there that bought a pup with liver-shunt, heart problems etc. that can explain to you what a sick pup is. I can bet you too that they would trade for the parasite problem in a heart beat. Giving a pup meds for 6 days sure beats giving a puppy back knowing he's going to die and there is nothing you can do.

But we all know this has nothing to do with caring on your part, you are just worried about the money, you are hell bent on revenge because of the money you feel you should have never had to pay for the upkeep of the pup. Do you actually believe that Buster will never get sick under your expert care, that he will never get another parasite, upset tummy, loose stools. If you do believe that I have a bridge down the street you can buy.

Bottom line, I followed the LAW, I never abused any animal in my life, I don't harass or slander anyone, contrary to what you believe I love my dogs and their pups. ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS WILL, NO MATTER WHAT!
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#72 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie, you still ignore the questions and your double talking, look back in your rantings!!

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 03, 2008
Cocci and guardia are parasites that can be transmitted to humans or other animals if someone eats the puppy's poop and the stomach acid doesn't eat up the parasite. So are hookworms and roundworms and fleas and ticks but the likelyhood of this happening is pretty slim. So put your DRAMA QUEEN CRAP to bed.

That is Buster in the picture he was the only sable pup I had and he was not sick when he left me. I forgot that I took those pictures that morning until my daughter pointed it out.

I care about my pups and I would have been concerned if there was a reason to be concerned. Just having parasites that are easily taken care of is no concern to go over the deep end, (as per Dr. Horn told you) It goes with the territory of dog ownership, so get used to it.

And you do want me to pay you back $650 for the dog when the bill for the meds for the cocci/guardia where only $43. You have the dog neutered and you want me to pay for the anesthetic and the blood work for the neutering. The $100 for have the tiny, little hernia fixed was not needed, but then it was only $85 to have two testicles cut out and a huge opening stiched up. Doesn't make sense.

In the 40 years I have been breeding dogs I have had less than 10 people make a complaint to me because I do not sell sick pups. That is 4 people every 10 years have a complaint. Hopefully the next 9 years will go peacefully. I have never sold a pup that got parvo or distemper. Have never had a puppy die on someone except for one woman who's kid dropped the puppy on the cement patio and she wanted me to give her another pup because her daughter was upset. Yeah right!! Like that was going to happen in this lifetime. Or the woman who called screaming at me I sold her a sick dog that crawled under the recliner and died.(she had the dog for 4 weeks at that point) After Dr. Cohen did an atopsy he found a green bean caught in the pup's throat, that is what choked the poor pup to death. She said she was sorry, which I accepted, as clearly this was an accident, she did not know by trying to give the pup veggies that would happen, I did sell her another dog which is 14 years old and going strong.

So don't accuse me of not caring, because you are wrong and you and your lynch mob were wrong. But don't think that for one second that because of your slander, badmouthing and harassment that I will give up my dogs that will never happen, never, never, never. I love my dogs they are my life and that will never change.

I have lived, breathed, and loved my dogs all my life. I have had 14 horses at one time, all kinds of animals, pigs, sheep, goats,cats, chickens. I grew up on a horse farm and learned very young how to care for animals, I also learned there are somethings to get excited about and parasites are not one of them. A horse running into a barn and ripping half his side open now thats something to get excited about, or when they go down with colic and need to be walked for 12 hours straight or they will die, that is when you get excited. I don't sweat the small stuff, sorry about that but that is the way it is.

I also worked for a vet for 7 years and I have seen sick dogs and puppies, you have no idea what a sick puppy is believe me. I am sure their are many people out there that bought a pup with liver-shunt, heart problems etc. that can explain to you what a sick pup is. I can bet you too that they would trade for the parasite problem in a heart beat. Giving a pup meds for 6 days sure beats giving a puppy back knowing he's going to die and there is nothing you can do.

But we all know this has nothing to do with caring on your part, you are just worried about the money, you are hell bent on revenge because of the money you feel you should have never had to pay for the upkeep of the pup. Do you actually believe that Buster will never get sick under your expert care, that he will never get another parasite, upset tummy, loose stools. If you do believe that I have a bridge down the street you can buy.

Bottom line, I followed the LAW, I never abused any animal in my life, I don't harass or slander anyone, contrary to what you believe I love my dogs and their pups. ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS WILL, NO MATTER WHAT!
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Laurie, you still ignore the questions and your double talking, look back in your rantings!!

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 03, 2008
Cocci and guardia are parasites that can be transmitted to humans or other animals if someone eats the puppy's poop and the stomach acid doesn't eat up the parasite. So are hookworms and roundworms and fleas and ticks but the likelyhood of this happening is pretty slim. So put your DRAMA QUEEN CRAP to bed.

That is Buster in the picture he was the only sable pup I had and he was not sick when he left me. I forgot that I took those pictures that morning until my daughter pointed it out.

I care about my pups and I would have been concerned if there was a reason to be concerned. Just having parasites that are easily taken care of is no concern to go over the deep end, (as per Dr. Horn told you) It goes with the territory of dog ownership, so get used to it.

And you do want me to pay you back $650 for the dog when the bill for the meds for the cocci/guardia where only $43. You have the dog neutered and you want me to pay for the anesthetic and the blood work for the neutering. The $100 for have the tiny, little hernia fixed was not needed, but then it was only $85 to have two testicles cut out and a huge opening stiched up. Doesn't make sense.

In the 40 years I have been breeding dogs I have had less than 10 people make a complaint to me because I do not sell sick pups. That is 4 people every 10 years have a complaint. Hopefully the next 9 years will go peacefully. I have never sold a pup that got parvo or distemper. Have never had a puppy die on someone except for one woman who's kid dropped the puppy on the cement patio and she wanted me to give her another pup because her daughter was upset. Yeah right!! Like that was going to happen in this lifetime. Or the woman who called screaming at me I sold her a sick dog that crawled under the recliner and died.(she had the dog for 4 weeks at that point) After Dr. Cohen did an atopsy he found a green bean caught in the pup's throat, that is what choked the poor pup to death. She said she was sorry, which I accepted, as clearly this was an accident, she did not know by trying to give the pup veggies that would happen, I did sell her another dog which is 14 years old and going strong.

So don't accuse me of not caring, because you are wrong and you and your lynch mob were wrong. But don't think that for one second that because of your slander, badmouthing and harassment that I will give up my dogs that will never happen, never, never, never. I love my dogs they are my life and that will never change.

I have lived, breathed, and loved my dogs all my life. I have had 14 horses at one time, all kinds of animals, pigs, sheep, goats,cats, chickens. I grew up on a horse farm and learned very young how to care for animals, I also learned there are somethings to get excited about and parasites are not one of them. A horse running into a barn and ripping half his side open now thats something to get excited about, or when they go down with colic and need to be walked for 12 hours straight or they will die, that is when you get excited. I don't sweat the small stuff, sorry about that but that is the way it is.

I also worked for a vet for 7 years and I have seen sick dogs and puppies, you have no idea what a sick puppy is believe me. I am sure their are many people out there that bought a pup with liver-shunt, heart problems etc. that can explain to you what a sick pup is. I can bet you too that they would trade for the parasite problem in a heart beat. Giving a pup meds for 6 days sure beats giving a puppy back knowing he's going to die and there is nothing you can do.

But we all know this has nothing to do with caring on your part, you are just worried about the money, you are hell bent on revenge because of the money you feel you should have never had to pay for the upkeep of the pup. Do you actually believe that Buster will never get sick under your expert care, that he will never get another parasite, upset tummy, loose stools. If you do believe that I have a bridge down the street you can buy.

Bottom line, I followed the LAW, I never abused any animal in my life, I don't harass or slander anyone, contrary to what you believe I love my dogs and their pups. ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS WILL, NO MATTER WHAT!
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A parasitic disease is an infectious disease caused or transmitted by a parasite

Coccidia:
A parasitic disease!!!! The primary symptom of the DISEASE is diarrhea. A cat or dog with coccidiosis may experience mild to severe diarrhea and blood and mucous may be evident. In severe cases, affected animals may experience vomiting, appetite loss, and dehydration. Coccidiosis is potentially fatal.

Giardia infection causes a DISEASE called giardiasis. Giardiasis is a DISEASE caused by the flagellate.
Symptoms: Large populations of Giardia can interfere with the absorption of food and produce feces that are soft, light-colored, and greasy. Mucus from the large intestine may also indicate that the large intestine is irritated even though the colony of active protozoa remains in the small intestine.
A dog becomes infected by eating the cyst form of the parasite. In the small intestine, the cyst opens and releases an active form called a trophozoite

Giardia
(GEE-are-DYE-uh)

Can anyone tell me when I said "he could not lift his head"? I had a very sick little puppy. I was issued an Unfit. The Hernia needed to be removed and was removed in SEPT...at time of Neuter. That is clearly stated on the bill that was sent to the breeder. . I did not ask nor did I expect reimbursement for routine care, never, ever, ever..I said that in Court, too, if that's not clear. I also have said that about 50 times, I don't understand why that even comes up..I expected the breeder to follow NJ Consumer Law, is that too much to ask? After all Ms. Roberts stated to me..that she would "take care of it." The information was sent, the Unfit, the Election of Option and a confirmation of the telephone conversation and what was discussed which I requested she sign and return to me..well, then she started the nasty letters, dismissal of the facts and denial. Ms. Roberts even stated that the law must be followed "to the letter." Ok, so..why wasn't it followed in the first place, why did so many violations occur?

I never called the "breeder" 30 times (after all, the phone number changed without notice, we had no way to get in touch with the "breeder") and certainly never threatened her, in fact, I have seen direct and indirect threats in the responses from the "breeder" directed at myself.
The "breeder" refers to Donna Roberts, in case that is not understood!

I have no "explaining" to do as I was not the one found GUILTY and in VIOLATION of the NJ Consumer Law. By the way, this is not a new law, either.

Ms. Roberts can think whatever she wishes, but, the truth has been clearly stated and I am not the one that has misrepresented myself, made false accusations and statements, found excuse after excuse and attacked anyone personally..nor have I resorted to name calling...absolutely out of control, as usual.

I disagree that the picture Ms. Roberts is speaking of..is my puppy..I have many reasons for doubting that is Buster, including...why the heck wasn't that ever mentioned before??? Why..all of a sudden is the claim made that it is Buster??? Seems funny to me..and I have something to compare it to, and it's not the same.

More ridiculous behavior, more pathetic excuses, desperate allegations and unsuccessful attempts to continue denying the truth.

Animal Cruelty statute:
l. Willfully sell, or offer to sell, use, expose, or cause or permit to be sold or offered for sale, used or exposed, a horse or other animal having the disease known as glanders or farcy, or other contagious or infectious disease dangerous to the health or life of human beings or animals!!!

That can be easily located!


I certainly hope by now that Ms. Roberts has learned a thing or two, I don't know how much more clarification is needed, but, I am sure she will say something else that doesn't make sense. I am appalled at Ms. Roberts callous statements about the puppies and her complete disregard for their well-being.
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Laurie, Did YOU LEARN Something?

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 03, 2008
Laurie I have bred dogs for 40 years, I KNOW how to take care of puppies. And even though your lynch mob succeeded in court to make three charges stick, five were dropped. You and your gang just happened to get an agent with an ego problem that has to prove something.

The facts are, yes, Buster had cocci and guardia, parasites NOT disease. He was not sick when he was sold to you. Check his picture out on my WEBSITE. That was taken the morning of the day he was sold to you.

Yes his ears were dirty from digging in the dirt that morning with his two brothers. They had a hole dug so deep that two of them fit in it. I let my pups be pups, I let them play and rough house with each other and yes they get dirty, SO WHAT ! Pups are like kids, dirt goes with the territory. There are no satin pillows here and I don't restrict my pups from playing outside in the grassy yard, they love it. Sunshine, fresh air, dirt, and lots of love never hurt any pup or kid.

The hernia was caused by the mother pulling on the cord to much because I saw her and took Buster away and did it myself, so I know this for a fact. But the size of the so called hernia was less than the top of my pinky so it was not life threating which CONSUMER LAW states it must be to be considered a defect for an UNFIT FOR PURCHASE. I am sure you read that part, didn't you? If you had listened to Dr. Horn and myself and had waited it would have gone away on its own, but then you would have nothing to b***h about in that department, would you?

Bottom line you blew this all out of proportion from day one. You should have never called 30 times threatening me and expecting me to pay for your booster shots and upkeep on your puppy. Once he was in your hands you were responsible for his shots, wormings, food etc. I even paid you for the meds for the cocci/guardia and you sent the check back !!

You say you don't have to answer any questions that is just another way of saying you are a LIAR because you can't answer them truthfully. Why did Buster gain weight if he was so sick??? On what day did you spoon feed him because he could not raise his head?? Look in the picture he didn't need any help when I had him. EXPLAIN THAT ??? Explain why this pup got sick??? Explain where did the stress come from that caused the cocci/guardia to break out??? Come on Laurie, lets tell the truth, the whole truth !!!

The truth is I was wrongfully convicted of Animal Cruelty because having a parasite is not cruelty. The other tickets that were thrown out were for failure to provide sustenance for the pups. Sustenance is food, water, shelter and medicines, then the Judge says he believed I did provide sustenance for the pups and threw those 4 tickets out. So he believed the pups were cared for but I think he couldn't understand that cocci was a parasite not a disease, not like rabies or parvo. But even breeders that sold pups with parvo and they died on the consumers were not given tickets by the SPCA, just me, only me, I guess everyone else that sold a pup with something amiss is exempt even if the pup dies.
Another miscarriage of JUSTICE was that only one vet showed up to testify, Dr. Horn and Dr. Frielander were on the prosecutor's list (that is why I didn't call them) then the prosecutor tells them not to show up. That was a dirty, underhanded trick) I can see why they couldn't have Dr. Horn up there testifying that the pup was not sick and that parastites do not make a pup unfit for sale and that she refused to write an UNFIT FOR SALE. the same with Dr. Frielander. Instead they get a vet that never saw these pups to say what they wanted her to say. It was a total sham !!!

That's the truth Laurie, so relish in your revenge and remember EVERY DOG HAS ITS DAY.
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UPDATE

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 03, 2008

Again, your information is incorrect and completely false. Before you say something you should get the facts straight...or at least try to find out the truth.

Donna, I don't have to answer to you, why don't you stop? YOU did what YOU did, you were CONVICTED in a Court of LAW. You were found in VIOLATION OF SEVERAL CODE REGULATIONS BY CONSUMER AFFAIRS. Is that all a LIE???

I would think from past experience you would be better able to resolve these issues, or even better..I would hope you wouldn't continue to let the same thing happen time and time again.

The definition of PARASITIC DISEASE is stated above..that's a lie, too??? I did not make up anything, everything I say is true. I don't just speak on things without making sure my facts are accurate.

Do you realize that it doesn't matter what you think?? Your story is ridiculous, I won't accept anymore excuses or fabrications of the truth.

To say we brow beat the Vets is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard...just another lie from you to justify your behavior.

It's a little too late to find out the things you should have made yourself aware of...if you cared at all, you would have accurate information, instead of continuing to exaggerate. You would have made it your business to make sure the puppy was getting well, instead of dismissing it and saying "its just a parasite, just Giardia"...just a sick little puppy that you care nothing about and in my opinion it's obvious you never cared about them, at all...an ounce of compassion goes a long way. You never bothered to find out, you avoided me and hoped I would just go away, well, that's something that will not happen. YOU need to do the right thing. Every day that goes by, you continue in VIOLATION!

More Facts:

Umbilical hernias in puppies are a genetic or congenital defect in over 90% of the cases. The disorder is passed from generation to generation just like the color of the coat or the animals overall size. Very, very rarely are they caused by trauma or excessive pressures during whelping. Animals that have a hernia or had a surgical repair of a hernia should never be used for breeding. Additionally, those adults that produce puppies with this condition should not be bred again

Ok, so we are clear...we know what parasites are now, correct?? We know what a parasitic disease is, and that yes, there is such a thing. We know that Giardia and Coccidia are parasitic diseases, contagious and infectious, as well..correct? We know that Giardia and Coccidia (intestinal parasites) can cause Gastritis...correct? We know about the umbilical hernia, and that it is a genetic or congenital defect, right? You do know what congenital and/or genetic defect means, right? Do I need to explain a Yeast Infection of both ears, to you??? I really don't think so, but, here's a thought:

Checking your dog's ears should be a part of your routine care for your pet. Checking your dog's ears regularly will alert you to irritations and signs of yeast infection before they become painful to your pet. The longer an infection goes without treatment, the harder it is to treat it.
The inside of your dog's ears should be a light pink color. Some yellowish brown spots are normal but there should not be a heavy build up of wax. Also check to see if there is a foul odor emanating from the ear. Even a mild infection will cause a foul odor. Observe your dog, if he is scratching at his ears frequently, then have his ears checked for infection.

The inside of his ears were black and "crumbly", and they smelled horrible...you didn't notice that?? After I told you about it, you said it was because he was playing in the dirt (you're not serious, right?)...so, I guess you did know they were filthy..did you ever clean them?? I don't know how you missed the smell of that and who knows what else was causing his "off" foul odor?? Please, don't try to deny that or make up another ridiculous excuse. We also know that Buster had all of the health issues listed above...and that he never should have gone through all of that unnecessary suffering.

And, with this, I am done with your posts on here, like I've said about 10 times by now: For the record, the puppies were in a wire cage similar to a rabbit hutch with no top, and a catch screen on the bottom, not a play yard and they were not running around playing in the yard. Are you sure you remember the puppy and the day we were there, or are you a bit confused??

We also know the following to be true:
DONNA ROBERTS: CONVICTED OF ANIMAL CRUELTY IN SHAMONG MUNICIPAL COURT: Selling puppies with contagious and infectious diseases.

FAILED TO FOLLOW NJ CONSUMER LAW: VIOLATION OF NJ ADMINISTRATIVE CODE REGULATIONS as per the Office Of NJ Consumer Affairs:
'Which entitles the consumer once the purchase price' (Consumer Affairs letter Sept. 5, 2007)
Also, 'the consumers also allege after several requests for reimbursement you finally sent the AKC documentation and a letter denying all claims, stating the consumers failed to follow the Consumer Law for notifications of Unfit for sale, but, you failed to provide the 'Right to Know' documentation at time of sale which is required by the NJ Division of Consumer Affairs.'

'Your failure to provide the required documentation to the consumers per the NJ Division of Consumer Affairs at time of sale regarding Right to Know and Election of Options would negate the stated time requirements.' It was also stated that.. 'in 'both' of these cases the consumers have informed this office you failed to provide the required documents which states by regulation you and the consumers are to sign each form with a copy given to the consumers at time of purchase and you are to retain a copy for your files.' 'You have failed to follow these requirements.' (Consumer Affairs letter Oct. 1, 2007)

You were also found by the office of Consumer Affairs as 'subject uncooperative' 'as you have failed to satisfactorily resolve this complaint' and were reported to the statewide computer network. (Consumer Affairs letter Nov. 15, 2007) That is all stated in the letters you received from Consumer Affairs.

That will do it for me..that's about enough..more than enough. Thanks for your help in proving my point.

Laurie
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#67 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Picture of Buster on the day he was SOLD

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 03, 2008
If you would like to see a picture of Buster on the Day he was sold go to my website at donnarobertshavanese.com Buster is in the second picture down from the top, he is the brown pup sitting right in front looking at me taking the picture.
DOES HE LOOK SICK TO YOU!!
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#66 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Picture of Buster on the day he was SOLD

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 03, 2008
If you would like to see a picture of Buster on the Day he was sold go to my website at donnarobertshavanese.com Buster is in the second picture down from the top, he is the brown pup sitting right in front looking at me taking the picture.
DOES HE LOOK SICK TO YOU!!
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#65 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Picture of Buster on the day he was SOLD

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 03, 2008
If you would like to see a picture of Buster on the Day he was sold go to my website at donnarobertshavanese.com Buster is in the second picture down from the top, he is the brown pup sitting right in front looking at me taking the picture.
DOES HE LOOK SICK TO YOU!!
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#64 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Picture of Buster on the day he was SOLD

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, March 03, 2008
If you would like to see a picture of Buster on the Day he was sold go to my website at donnarobertshavanese.com Buster is in the second picture down from the top, he is the brown pup sitting right in front looking at me taking the picture.
DOES HE LOOK SICK TO YOU!!
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#63 REBUTTAL Individual responds

If I make a Post I put my name on it-don't need to hide behind observer.

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 01, 2008
Laurie read your rantings, post the truth, guardia can cause a puppy to have an upset tummy but NOT SIX DAYS LATER AFTER IT IS DONE with its 3 day treatment and gone. and the cocci treatment was for 6 days. So both treatments were finished before he got an upset tummy. And you were the one who said they did xrays to see if he had a blockage.

Any postings done on this site or any other site without my name on it are not mine.

As far as the hernia, it was smaller than the tip of my pinkie finger when he left so no intestine was going to slip through and kill the dog. More drama.

Get this straight- I didn't do anything wrong, I couldn't know which pup would be put under so much stress that the cocci would break out. Don't have a magic ball but it is a very common parasite, not a disease.

The other two pups WERE NOT MINE and I take no RESPONSIBILITY for them. I have proof they were not mine so that is slander.

I did tell you I was going to Florida, even though its none of your business what I do. I sold you a puppy I do not owe you reasons for anything and don't have to but up with your harassment, lies and slander.

All your UNFITS were issued by you and Harra brow beating the vets into writing one and all were out of date.

Your meds were paid for and both of you sent the checks back to me because you both want FREE pups.

You can't answer our question of what day you had to spoon feed the pup because he was to weak to lift his head (your words) because it was one of your DRAMA lies and never happened. The day that pup left he was in the yard playing with the other pups and two of my grandchildren, how he went from a happy, playful pup to deaths door in your care is something you need to explain.

Another point you keep slandering me about my dogs being sick and such but three agencies that you sent here SPCA, STATE Board of Health and County Board of Health found no such thing whatsoever. How do you explain that????

That proves you are a LIAR!
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Parasites not a Disease??? Wrong!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 01, 2008
parasitic DISEASES, animal
Infections or infestations with parasitic organisms...seems clear enough, let's not debate this now!

parasitic
Pertaining to, of the nature of or caused by a parasite.

Perhaps, a little more research, then you can speak on the subject, just a suggestion!!
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Whoever you are

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 01, 2008
No more information is necessary to Donna and her "friends". I do not need to answer any questions. I do not need to defend myself and justify my actions to a complete stranger.

Oh, by the way..thanks for your concern...don't worry we took care of it, we did everything correctly. None of your business about my personal life. You are offensive and rude.

I hope Donna is doing the right thing NOW, for the last time, it's about what she did to us and the puppies...it's about the laws she disregarded and the Conviction. Give me a break, nice try Donna! I thought Donna had only two puppies available? According to the prior statements, she already sold two last weekend and shipped one on 2/26, so..that's three, sounds familiar too!! Doesn't add up, or is that just me, too??? There will be another excuse, I'm sure!!

I am not speaking badly of ALL breeders, I think the facts are clearly stated!! How about if you PLEASE READ!! Thanks!!
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Whoever you are

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 01, 2008
No more information is necessary to Donna and her "friends". I do not need to answer any questions. I do not need to defend myself and justify my actions to a complete stranger.

Oh, by the way..thanks for your concern...don't worry we took care of it, we did everything correctly. None of your business about my personal life. You are offensive and rude.

I hope Donna is doing the right thing NOW, for the last time, it's about what she did to us and the puppies...it's about the laws she disregarded and the Conviction. Give me a break, nice try Donna! I thought Donna had only two puppies available? According to the prior statements, she already sold two last weekend and shipped one on 2/26, so..that's three, sounds familiar too!! Doesn't add up, or is that just me, too??? There will be another excuse, I'm sure!!

I am not speaking badly of ALL breeders, I think the facts are clearly stated!! How about if you PLEASE READ!! Thanks!!
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Whoever you are

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 01, 2008
No more information is necessary to Donna and her "friends". I do not need to answer any questions. I do not need to defend myself and justify my actions to a complete stranger.

Oh, by the way..thanks for your concern...don't worry we took care of it, we did everything correctly. None of your business about my personal life. You are offensive and rude.

I hope Donna is doing the right thing NOW, for the last time, it's about what she did to us and the puppies...it's about the laws she disregarded and the Conviction. Give me a break, nice try Donna! I thought Donna had only two puppies available? According to the prior statements, she already sold two last weekend and shipped one on 2/26, so..that's three, sounds familiar too!! Doesn't add up, or is that just me, too??? There will be another excuse, I'm sure!!

I am not speaking badly of ALL breeders, I think the facts are clearly stated!! How about if you PLEASE READ!! Thanks!!
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Whoever you are

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 01, 2008
No more information is necessary to Donna and her "friends". I do not need to answer any questions. I do not need to defend myself and justify my actions to a complete stranger.

Oh, by the way..thanks for your concern...don't worry we took care of it, we did everything correctly. None of your business about my personal life. You are offensive and rude.

I hope Donna is doing the right thing NOW, for the last time, it's about what she did to us and the puppies...it's about the laws she disregarded and the Conviction. Give me a break, nice try Donna! I thought Donna had only two puppies available? According to the prior statements, she already sold two last weekend and shipped one on 2/26, so..that's three, sounds familiar too!! Doesn't add up, or is that just me, too??? There will be another excuse, I'm sure!!

I am not speaking badly of ALL breeders, I think the facts are clearly stated!! How about if you PLEASE READ!! Thanks!!
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Donna Roberts/Shamong NJ area/Howell NJ/Shady Oak Havanese sick puppies/Animal Cruelty/Violated NJ Consumer Law

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 01, 2008
I don't need to answer to you. You never showed concern before, so, why bother now?? Once again, trying to take the focus off of yourself and what you have done.

I am not the one hiding things, Donna, really, this isn't the only issue you have ever had, I'm sure, in fact, more than sure...but, that's a story for another day!!

Facts:
The Vet's don't even want to talk to you, you have bothered them enough, they issued the Unfit, why can't you figure it out? They said it would reasonable for the breeder to reimburse the owners since the puppy was infected at the time of purchase. She said the parsitism was not a reason to RETURN the puppy. But, once again...it would be reasonable for the breeder to reimburse the owners since the puppy was INFECTED AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE. I sent you the Election of Option form (know what that is??) You keep coming back to that, you don't seem to realize what the statements mean. The letter also states..since I am not the one leaving things out.... that the X-Rays were done to rule out ANATOMICAL ABNORMALITY, BLOCKAGE OR AN INTUSSUSCEPTON. Do you know what that means?? The danger of the hernia is the potential entrapment of the intestines. Such entrapment of bowel in the hernia can impair blood flow to that segment of the bowel and block passage of food through the bowel. also, the strangulated tissue dies and releases toxins that may kill the animal. Should I just get over that, too??? That is nothing to worry about?? If you supposedly told me about the hernia, why did I then call and write to you to inform you about the hernia??

The Vet also said, she advised me to inform you of the medical issues...which I did, I tried many times to contact you. If you told me you were in Florida, why would I call and write you letters?? I would have asked for an alternate number or emergency contact, don't you agree?? Perhaps, if there was nothing for you to worry about you would have given me an alternate number, since you were not going to be home. That would have been common courtesy and the right thing to do. You have no idea what was going on and you never tried to find out.

Would you like an explanation of Giardia and Coccidia?? Yes, parasites can cause Gastritis, I can post that, too!!!

Is this the first time this ever happened to you?? How about if you answer the questions..wait, you won't give accurate answers, anyway.

I am not explaining this again..as I have said, there is nothing more to say, if you don't get it by now, I can't help you anymore.

I have complete, accurate and FACTUAL documentation. It wasn't just A (meaning ONE) bill either, wow, this should not be so difficult for the average person to understand.

This web site has given you an opportunity to make things right, but, all you have done, is twist the facts and made things up as you went along. You have used offensive and distasteful language and made false allegations. We have given you more than enough time to do the right thing, yet, here we are, no resolution, just the same old stories over and over from you, as usual.

Do I need to post the ANIMAL CRUELTY CONVICTION FACTS..AGAIN? Do I need to post the VIOLATION OF NJ CONSUMER LAW...AGAIN???? Lies, huh??? I think not, I think the truth is plain to see.

Information can be found in previous reports..NJ Consumer Law is easy to look up!!!

I am done playing games with you, this is ridiculous and you have shown the world your true character and it's not very flattering.

I'm done talking to you!! This does not help you, at all, I don't know what you thought you would gain, it simply makes you look worse, if that is indeed possible..I suppose it is, who ever would have imagined such a thing??

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#56 Consumer Comment

Laurie - please read!

AUTHOR: Used Rto Be A Breeder - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 01, 2008
Coccida and Geardia are VERY Common in puppies and dogs. Re-Homing a dog causes stress on them and this stress DOES bring on Giardia - I have personal experience with this as I used to breed dogs as well.

Laurie, did your dog have any symptoms? From reading the above you did not take the dog to the ver until 10 DAYS after you brought the dog home. I take 2 weeks for the giardia to come out from stress, which put this at the sametime of your vet visit.

Do yourself a favor, go to google.com - check out as many dog breeder websites as you can that show their contract in their contract it states in 99% of them, they will re-imburse for parasites EXCEPT GIARDIA AND COCCIDA. That is because it is SO common and easily treatable.

I am very confused as you state you had to spoon feed the dog this was well after the 1st vet visit at which you were given medication for the parasites. Obviously this had NOTHING to do with G & C.

I remember getting my first puppy after i got married and when i took the puppy to the vet and was told it had G & C i was frantic (just like you) now 20 years later and after breeding 2 litter of puppies it is NO BIG DEAL.

Laurie, do you have children? I ask this because what are you going to do when your children are exposed to strep throat in school or better yet LICE from the kid sitting next to yours sue to the school, the school board. I understand that you were upset about the pup having G&C but you could not have done your research to see it is as common as a rainy day in May.

I also did research on the hernia - this is not a fatal thing. The puppy was older when you purchased him and if it was a life threatening hernia it would have started way prior to you buying him. Its amazing how all of a sudden the symptoms developed AFTER the 10 visit at vet when you found out it had G&C.

You state he had to go in for surgery....did you get your pet spayed our neutered? or was the hernia repair a seperate surgery? Did you get a second opinion on the surgery from vets....

MOST important how is the dog today? How is the temperment?

I am a fellow dog breeder seeing a breeder be put down and this is crazy. You need to focus your energy elsewhere now.

Oh, and I want to say thank you. Due to following this site I have contacted Donna and had a long coversation with her and I will be going to meet her and a lovely puppy that I will be adopting.....
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#55 Author of original report

Something to think about!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 01, 2008
The basis of all animal rights should be the Golden Rule: we should treat them as we would wish them to treat us, were any other species in our dominant position. ~Christine Stevens

We must fight against the spirit of unconscious cruelty with which we treat the animals. Animals suffer as much as we do. True humanity does not allow us to impose such sufferings on them. It is our duty to make the whole world recognize it. Until we extend our circle of compassion to all living things, humanity will not find peace. ~Albert Schweitzer, The Philosophy of Civilization
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#54 Consumer Comment

Parasite NOT diseases

AUTHOR: Kathrine - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, March 01, 2008
Are you all blind. These parasites are NOT diseases. You guys are acting like the pups had PARVO(life threatning) disease. These puppies had coccidia, giardia, poss. mites, ear infection, small belly button hernia.. If your puppy had a disease the vet would NOT WOULD NOT of let you bring them home. They would have needed IV fluid therapy, and extensive medical treatment and 24 hour hospital care. That puppy would NOT have been released from the vet unless getting transported to another MORE QUALIFIED hospital.

PARASITES NOT DISEASE! Google them get a defination of each. That's what I did!

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#53 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Bravo!! Bravo!!! Take your bow!!!!!

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 29, 2008
Laurie what a performance. You still don't answer any questions we have asked, or would that reveal the real truth. You still don't give permission to the vets involved to speak freely, that would also reveal the REAL truth. Something YOU don't want anyone to know,

ON WHAT DAY DID YOU HAVE TO SPOON FEED BUSTER, SHOULD BE EASY TO ANSWER, WHY DON'T YOU?

Post your vet bill for all to see. Come on what are you hiding? Post Dr. Horn's letter, YOU ARE THE TRUTH MAIDEN, LET'S SEE IT.

You are a LAIR!!! That's what the truth really is!!!!!!!!!
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#52 Author of original report

Thank You!!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 29, 2008

I would like to take a few moments to say thank you:

Thank you to all the people who have supported us during this nightmare. We appreciate you more than we can tell you.
This is for our puppies, who thankfully are doing better, thanks to the love, support and tlc of their families and friends, among them...Libby (NJCAPSA) and Theresa (NJSPCA) who I would like to thank for everything they have done and continue to do. You are both amazing and I admire and respect you both more than I can say.

Also, thank you Leisa, Barbara, Judi and my entire family, for your continued help and determination to make this right. Without all of you, I am not sure I would have been able to push forward. Thank you to the Vets who showed endless compassion and support as well, you gave us hope and gave the puppies the best care they could ask for...the care they deserved since the day they were born. The goal was and always will be..to get and keep the puppies healthy, and raise them in a loving, happy and safe home. Thank God, they are with all of us now, they finally have a chance to be puppies.
The time is now, everything matters..our hearts and minds will never forget!!! Through all of the pain and suffering, and being so disheartened and shocked thinking that this could actually happen to anyone, anywhere not to mention the poor little puppies that had no say in the matter...our strength never waivered. We have created a bond never to be broken with our puppies and strengthened by the friendship that we now share with each other. At least there is some good...and the good is incredible...I will never regret one thing that I have done to help these puppies and to help each of you.

Thank you, for your love and devotion to Myha, Cooper, Rozie and Buster...SOS!!

We love you all, dearly!!

Laurie, Lou and Buster
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#51 Author of original report

NJ Havanese Breeder Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese, for the last time, I hope!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 29, 2008
DONNA ROBERTS: CONVICTED OF ANIMAL CRUELTY IN SHAMONG MUNICIPAL COURT: Selling puppies with contagious and infectious diseases.

FAILED TO FOLLOW NJ CONSUMER LAW: VIOLATION OF NJ ADMINISTRATIVE CODE REGULATIONS as per the Office Of NJ Consumer Affairs:
'Which entitles the consumer once the purchase price' (Consumer Affairs letter Sept. 5, 2007)
Also, 'the consumers also allege after several requests for reimbursement you finally sent the AKC documentation and a letter denying all claims, stating the consumers failed to follow the Consumer Law for notifications of Unfit for sale, but, you failed to provide the 'Right to Know' documentation at time of sale which is required by the NJ Division of Consumer Affairs.'
'Your failure to provide the required documentation to the consumers per the NJ Division of Consumer Affairs at time of sale regarding Right to Know and Election of Options would NEGATE the stated time requirements.' It was also stated that.. 'in 'both' of these cases the consumers have informed this office you failed to provide the required documents which states by regulation you and the consumers are to sign each form with a copy given to the consumers at time of purchase and you are to retain a copy for your files.' 'You have failed to follow these requirements.' (Consumer Affairs letter Oct. 1, 2007)

You were also found by the office of Consumer Affairs as 'subject uncooperative' 'as you have failed to satisfactorily resolve this complaint' and were reported to the statewide computer network. (Consumer Affairs letter Nov. 15, 2007).

These are direct quotes and findings from the NJ Division of Consumer Affairs in the letters we both received, and you answered every letter so, you were more than aware of the facts!!

Did you follow any of the regulations?? Did you provide proper documentation? Or, is Consumer Affairs making up stories, like you claim we are??? Were you in Court on Dec. 21, 2007, was that really YOU??

Ok, then..there are the facts. No further justification is needed and I no longer will defend myself to you, because you simply do not seem to understand and keep coming up with more outrageous stories.

You continue to show complete disregard for the puppies, and please, don't try to show concern now, it is entirely too little, too late. By the way, the point was..it was more than ONE puppy and more than ONE parasite!! That and so much more, is a disgrace.

I am sorry that you cannot comprehend this or is it just more denial?? There is nothing more I can do to make you understand. The facts are clearly stated, we have told the truth. Your replies seem to get more outrageous and desperate. Please, stop making false statements and trying to pull things out of thin air.

We did nothing wrong, we did not cause his illness, YOU did that. I cannot believe you now claim to have done nothing wrong. It's here for all to see. Get over yourself, if you're life is so full, then stop spewing inaccuracies on here.

There is nothing more to say..it's now become so redundant that we are losing the point, the focus should stay on the puppies and your CONVICTIONS and VIOLATION OF NJ CONSUMER AFFAIRS REGULATIONS/NJ CONSUMER LAW!!
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#50 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Same Cr*p Over and Over Again

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 29, 2008
Laurie, the Vets know the Truth so give them permission in Writing to talk to other people about the TRUTH. Seems your not willing to do this in the interest of Justice. Just like I said you don't want to tell the truth you want everyone to just look at the surface and believe your lies of Animal Abuse and that I sold sick puppies, which is not true at all. All of these pups were not found sick by a VET within the period of 14 days and the only reason three of you got unfits way out of the guarantee period is because you brow-beat the vet into doing so. Dr. Horn would not give you an unfit you had to corner Dr. Slavin into giving you which she really didn't want to do. Hence the Out of Date UNFIT.

Oh another thing, and please read this carefully. After you bought the pup, on what day did you have to spoon-feed this puppy because it was to weak to eat on it's own??? A group of us are curious about that one. Was it one day after or 10 days after, 20 days after? That pup was always a chow hound and ate very well when he was with me. Very active running and playing with his siblings.

Also if you notice on your vet bills they weigh the pup every time he goes in for a visit. NOTICE he gains weight within the first two weeks you had him SO HOW SICK WAS HE???? Sick dogs don't gain weight they lose it, now explain that to the world!!!!!

It doesn't matter how you look at this whole thing, YOU and YOUR LYNCH MOB were wrong, you wanted revenge because dog ownership cost you money and none of you want to accept that. Most people know it costs money for shots, wormings, and yes unexpected illnesses that is totally out of the seller's hands. The seller has no control of the buyer changing food, kids giving the pup something it shouldn't have (chocolate, bones, etc.) Then there is the environment the pup is taken to that is filled with new germs he is not used to, not to mention city water when he is used to clean, fresh well water with no chemicals. That alone can upset the pup.

No one here abuses any animals. I was just lucky enough to get an over zealous SPCA agent who abuses the position of her job to stroke her ego. When she tresspassed on my property she knew none of your so called claims were true but she had to come back to Harass and try to make herself important, Why isn't she running up and down NJ handing out these tickets, I KNOW I am not the only one in NJ that sold a pup with a parasite or an yeasty ear. She wouldn't have the b*lls to take on someone with the money and power to put her in her place so she preys on the little guys. Why isn't she tackling Bill R. I know why he is to smart for her and she is afraid of him.

I do not abuse my animals, I did not sell sick pups, I followed the Law as I knew it to be, I do not listen to threats or jump through HOOPS for anyone, and I do not harass other people. My life is very full over full at the moment and I don't think anyone needs to be bothered by Revengeful people like you.
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#49 Author of original report

update

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 28, 2008
NJ Havanese Breeder/Donna Roberts Havanese puppies were sick/Shady Oak Havanese

Donna Roberts: Convicted of Animal Cruelty, Dec. 2007 (Judge rejected consideration of most of the nonsense you tried to submit or speak of because, it was ridiculous)!!

Failed to follow NJ Consumer Law: Part of Consumers Affairs findings are included in these reports.
Did not supply proper documentation at time of sale, sent us AKC papers with the 'wrong' sire/dam, either that or she didn't realize we would notice the discrepancy. Ms. Roberts admitted that, as well, there was no getting around it, that's the only reason she DID admit providing bogus papers. Remains in violation, she will not reimburse the medical bills, as required by law.

I think enough has been explained, Ms. Roberts will obviously never comprehend what is going on here.

Shows lack of common decency not to mention ignorance to the facts and no concern or compassion for the sick puppies.

Perhaps you and others should verse yourself on the laws before you lay the blame on everyone else. It's always someone else's fault it seems, how can that be?

We have complete, accurate and factual documentation.

I will not respond to nonsense and ridiculous accusations, stay focused and on point, or is the truth to hard to admit for you?

I did not think anything else needed to be said, and I still reject your nonsense and irrelevancy!


We do not need 'back up', the facts have been stated! You continue to contradict yourself, do you read what you write? What the heck are you talking about? Wait, please don't answer, thanks!! Don't even attempt to make any suggestions about what you want to be done, unless and until you accept your responsibilities and stop disregarding the law.

Yes, the Veterinarians do know the truth. The Veterinarians issued the Unfit for Purchase certificates!! We all have Unfits..we followed proper procedures. The only thing you seemed 'rushed' about was taking our money, as you barely answered our questions and seemed to want to talk about everything except the puppy. I am asking you again to stop the personal attacks, seems to me and everyone else that you are the one attacking me.

Once again, no concern for the puppies, as usual...that speaks volumes!!!! Thanks
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#48 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie The Vet knows the truth!! Let her speak

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 27, 2008
Laurie, Dr. Horn knows the truth and so does Dr. Friedlander, why don't you let them speak to anyone who wants to know the TRUTH that you claim that this is all about, the truth, cannot be told by you because you want people to feel sorry for you. The pup was NOT sick he had a parasite, not life threatening.

Your AKC papers are correct, the call names that I wrote on the sales agreement were different then Barbara's because the pups were sold 3 months apart and I was in a rush and I also didn't think I was going to sell him but decided at the last moment to do so. So I screwed up the call names of the Mom and Dad, the call names that are on your contract are the mom and dad of the younger pups I had. Okay get out the stake and burn me. As long as you got the AKC papers for your pup what difference does it make? Boy oh boy it sure is hard dealing with someone who has never made a mistake. You are so lucky to be perfect.

When you go to buy another dog in the future make sure you tell the breeder you are perfect and please, please copy all the 20 letters and complaints you filed all over the place including here and let them read them before dealing with you. Let the TRUTH be known, and after they read it I somehow doubt you will get another breeder to deal with you. If I had know you were "perfect" I wouldn't have because every breeder knows nothing God created is perfect except his SON.

Get a Life Laurie, if you spent as much time doing something helpful (maybe go to the shelter and clean after homeless dogs) then you have done b*tching about me
you could say you did something right but going off the deep end and slandering me isn't called for.

I would like to thank Kelly Gardner and Thomas O'Malley for purchasing two of my pups this weekend. Even after all the Crap they read they came to visit and check me out and shook their heads in disbelief that someone could be so off base. They both came at different times, one Sat. one Sun. two diffferent families. They both promised to post something after the pups have their first vet visit.
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#47 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie The Vet knows the truth!! Let her speak

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 27, 2008
Laurie, Dr. Horn knows the truth and so does Dr. Friedlander, why don't you let them speak to anyone who wants to know the TRUTH that you claim that this is all about, the truth, cannot be told by you because you want people to feel sorry for you. The pup was NOT sick he had a parasite, not life threatening.

Your AKC papers are correct, the call names that I wrote on the sales agreement were different then Barbara's because the pups were sold 3 months apart and I was in a rush and I also didn't think I was going to sell him but decided at the last moment to do so. So I screwed up the call names of the Mom and Dad, the call names that are on your contract are the mom and dad of the younger pups I had. Okay get out the stake and burn me. As long as you got the AKC papers for your pup what difference does it make? Boy oh boy it sure is hard dealing with someone who has never made a mistake. You are so lucky to be perfect.

When you go to buy another dog in the future make sure you tell the breeder you are perfect and please, please copy all the 20 letters and complaints you filed all over the place including here and let them read them before dealing with you. Let the TRUTH be known, and after they read it I somehow doubt you will get another breeder to deal with you. If I had know you were "perfect" I wouldn't have because every breeder knows nothing God created is perfect except his SON.

Get a Life Laurie, if you spent as much time doing something helpful (maybe go to the shelter and clean after homeless dogs) then you have done b*tching about me
you could say you did something right but going off the deep end and slandering me isn't called for.

I would like to thank Kelly Gardner and Thomas O'Malley for purchasing two of my pups this weekend. Even after all the Crap they read they came to visit and check me out and shook their heads in disbelief that someone could be so off base. They both came at different times, one Sat. one Sun. two diffferent families. They both promised to post something after the pups have their first vet visit.
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#46 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie The Vet knows the truth!! Let her speak

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 27, 2008
Laurie, Dr. Horn knows the truth and so does Dr. Friedlander, why don't you let them speak to anyone who wants to know the TRUTH that you claim that this is all about, the truth, cannot be told by you because you want people to feel sorry for you. The pup was NOT sick he had a parasite, not life threatening.

Your AKC papers are correct, the call names that I wrote on the sales agreement were different then Barbara's because the pups were sold 3 months apart and I was in a rush and I also didn't think I was going to sell him but decided at the last moment to do so. So I screwed up the call names of the Mom and Dad, the call names that are on your contract are the mom and dad of the younger pups I had. Okay get out the stake and burn me. As long as you got the AKC papers for your pup what difference does it make? Boy oh boy it sure is hard dealing with someone who has never made a mistake. You are so lucky to be perfect.

When you go to buy another dog in the future make sure you tell the breeder you are perfect and please, please copy all the 20 letters and complaints you filed all over the place including here and let them read them before dealing with you. Let the TRUTH be known, and after they read it I somehow doubt you will get another breeder to deal with you. If I had know you were "perfect" I wouldn't have because every breeder knows nothing God created is perfect except his SON.

Get a Life Laurie, if you spent as much time doing something helpful (maybe go to the shelter and clean after homeless dogs) then you have done b*tching about me
you could say you did something right but going off the deep end and slandering me isn't called for.

I would like to thank Kelly Gardner and Thomas O'Malley for purchasing two of my pups this weekend. Even after all the Crap they read they came to visit and check me out and shook their heads in disbelief that someone could be so off base. They both came at different times, one Sat. one Sun. two diffferent families. They both promised to post something after the pups have their first vet visit.
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NJ Havanese Breeder/Donna Roberts Havanese puppies were sick/Shady Oak Havanese

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 27, 2008

Donna Roberts: Convicted of Animal Cruelty, Dec. 2007 (Judge rejected consideration of most of the nonsense you tried to submit or speak of because, it was ridiculous)!!

Failed to follow NJ Consumer Law: Part of Consumers Affairs findings are included in these reports.
Did not supply proper documentation at time of sale, sent us AKC papers with the 'wrong' sire/dam, either that or she didn't realize we would notice the discrepancy. Ms. Roberts admitted that, as well, there was no getting around it, that's the only reason she DID admit providing bogus papers. Remains in violation, she will not reimburse the medical bills, as required by law.

I think enough has been explained, Ms. Roberts will obviously never comprehend what is going on here.

Shows lack of common decency not to mention ignorance to the facts and no concern or compassion for the sick puppies.

Perhaps you and others should verse yourself on the laws before you lay the blame on everyone else. It's always someone else's fault it seems, how can that be?

We have complete, accurate and factual documentation.

I will not respond to nonsense and ridiculous accusations, stay focused and on point, or is the truth to hard to admit for you?

I don't think anything else needs to be said, and I reject your nonsense and irrelevancy!


We do not need "back up", the facts have been stated! You continue to contradict yourself, do you read what you write? What the heck are you talking about? Wait, please don't answer, thanks!! Don't even attempt to make any suggestions about what you want to be done, unless and until you accept your responsibilities and stop disregarding the law.
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#44 REBUTTAL Individual responds

The Last Word?

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Laurie the pup had a parasite, it was not the end of the world. The pup was not sick and if he got sick 16 days after you owned him that is not my fault, period. Also having an upset tummy from change of food, change of water, etc. had nothing to do with me.

I am not the one continuing to lay blame. I just feel that you make mountains out of ant hills. So to settle this why don't you and Barbara give your vet's permission in writing to talk to anyone who calls them to verify the facts. So this way THE REAL TRUTH WILL PREVAIL. SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA AND SINCE YOU GUYS ARE SO SAINTLY AND HAVE TOLD THE TRUTH LET YOUR VETS BACK YOU UP.
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#43 Consumer Comment

Thanx you, Laurie

AUTHOR: Observer - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Thanks, Laurie, I decided to sign up so I can respond and comment on other reports and this one if necessary. I figure it's pretty secure with all the reports on here that I saw.

You're doing a great job and we all admire your strength and passion more than you know!

You guys are right, and this lady get's wilder by the minute, no wonder you all had issues with her.

I would hope that someone can help change this, I will do whatever I can do to help you!

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#42 Author of original report

Clarification

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008

The above response from "an Observer" Titled: From where I sit, was forwarded to me by a friend of dog owners: This person did not want to put their personal information online, but, felt the need to speak out! My email address was forwarded through a mutual contact with my permission. At that point, I posted it for the person. I believe everyone should be able to state their opinion. I have made some incredibly wonderful new friends and been in contact with several organizations where the people wish to share their thoughts, if I can help them, I certainly will.
Any responses I receive, good or bad, I will post, in full.

Just a clarification so there are no misunderstandings and/or accusations about the validity of the response. Thank you!

Laurie



Also..in response to what's the matter..if you don't know by now, you better go back and read everything again!! Can't you just do the right thing, for once?

I will no longer justify my actions to you, it's completely clear who is right, I TAKE CARE OF MY PUPPY, and you are way out of line!

Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese etc...etc...
Convicted of Animal Cruelty on Dec. 21, 2007 (sellling puppies with contagious and infectious diseases)
Failed to follow NJ Consumer Law and per Divison of Consumer Affairs:see list of violations in previous reports!
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#41 Author of original report

From where I sit:

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
As an observer I am shocked and appalled that this Donna Roberts person is able to get away with such indescribable business practices. But, so many people get away with things, it's not surprising no one has caught up with her yet. I hope this will tip off someone and shut this Shady Oak place down. Where is it?

How can you minimalize the fact that the puppies were so sick. If you did not follow the law then all your excuses dont mean anything. It is obvious by reading this that the buyers have had the same experiences with the breeder and she still denies the wrong doing. How can that be? If you were convicted of animal cruelty, well, that speaks for itself.

I just had an opinion and since it's an open forum, decided to share. Mrs. Roberts seems the one who is doing the slandering, the name calling and accusations against these poor dog owners is absolutely one of the craziest things I have ever heard.

Thank goodness these people saved these puppies from Mrs. Roberts, I just feel bad for the ones that she still has in her possesion. Mrs. Roberts may have had good intentions in the beginning, but, it has gone bad, very bad and needs to stop. There are entirely too many homeless dogs now.

My opinion is these dog owners are absolutely correct and did what they are supposed to do. I feel bad for you, but, glad you saved the puppies and that things are better now. Mrs. Roberts sounds to me like she is out touch with reality when attacking these owners. They did not break the law, it seems Mrs. Roberts did and she should do the right thing instead of trying to drag everyone through the mud. Wake up, lady, the truth is out. I would think it would be easier to admit your errors and take care of the problems.

Mrs. Roberts, you sound like a nut, sorry, my opinion. You need to get over it and pay these people their money. Stop the bickering, it makes you look more guilty. If you have a sick husband I would think you would be spending more time concentrating on helping the recovery, instead of this crazy behavior. I hope he is better.

I also had a bad experience with a pet store, it's outrageous, really! I will only get rescues now, too many shady people in the dog business.

Observer, NJ
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#40 REBUTTAL Individual responds

What's the matter Laurie?

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Laurie the only reason I offered was because you were whining about it and I thought I would help you out with the money part. Dr. Stevenson does do hernia's for $35-$45 dollars but We both knew Buster's would go away just like Barbara's puppy did, it was you that insisted on not waiting. Dr. Horn also told you that in her letter. And I was going to take you out there with me when I was going, I wasn't going to make a special trip.

You were given the Health record for the 50th time, the health record that is required by law. Also I do have two supervising vets, Dr. Cohen and Banfield Animal Hospital. And they have been my vets, Dr. Cohen for 40 years and Banfield vet for two years.

Also FYI it is not illegal to give your own shots (can be bought from several catalogs) do your own wormings and give your own meds. They are sold in any petsmart or petco. I can do that for my dogs and pups, what is illegal is doing it after the pup is no longer mine. Which I do not do, I can give my opinion on health issues or grooming issues but that is it. I have 40 years experience, I've had a vet call me once to ask me if I had ever seen something that was happening to a young pup that was brought in to his office. I told him what I thought and saved the pups life. Vets don't get to work with baby pups that much (unless they are breeders to)so its hard sometime when they have to find out whats wrong and do tests that they have to wait for results to come back from the lab, most of the time the pup is gone before the results come back.

The pup you bought is a beautiful little guy can't you just enjoy him and get on with your life!
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#39 REBUTTAL Individual responds

What's the matter Laurie?

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Laurie the only reason I offered was because you were whining about it and I thought I would help you out with the money part. Dr. Stevenson does do hernia's for $35-$45 dollars but We both knew Buster's would go away just like Barbara's puppy did, it was you that insisted on not waiting. Dr. Horn also told you that in her letter. And I was going to take you out there with me when I was going, I wasn't going to make a special trip.

You were given the Health record for the 50th time, the health record that is required by law. Also I do have two supervising vets, Dr. Cohen and Banfield Animal Hospital. And they have been my vets, Dr. Cohen for 40 years and Banfield vet for two years.

Also FYI it is not illegal to give your own shots (can be bought from several catalogs) do your own wormings and give your own meds. They are sold in any petsmart or petco. I can do that for my dogs and pups, what is illegal is doing it after the pup is no longer mine. Which I do not do, I can give my opinion on health issues or grooming issues but that is it. I have 40 years experience, I've had a vet call me once to ask me if I had ever seen something that was happening to a young pup that was brought in to his office. I told him what I thought and saved the pups life. Vets don't get to work with baby pups that much (unless they are breeders to)so its hard sometime when they have to find out whats wrong and do tests that they have to wait for results to come back from the lab, most of the time the pup is gone before the results come back.

The pup you bought is a beautiful little guy can't you just enjoy him and get on with your life!
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#38 REBUTTAL Individual responds

What's the matter Laurie?

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Laurie the only reason I offered was because you were whining about it and I thought I would help you out with the money part. Dr. Stevenson does do hernia's for $35-$45 dollars but We both knew Buster's would go away just like Barbara's puppy did, it was you that insisted on not waiting. Dr. Horn also told you that in her letter. And I was going to take you out there with me when I was going, I wasn't going to make a special trip.

You were given the Health record for the 50th time, the health record that is required by law. Also I do have two supervising vets, Dr. Cohen and Banfield Animal Hospital. And they have been my vets, Dr. Cohen for 40 years and Banfield vet for two years.

Also FYI it is not illegal to give your own shots (can be bought from several catalogs) do your own wormings and give your own meds. They are sold in any petsmart or petco. I can do that for my dogs and pups, what is illegal is doing it after the pup is no longer mine. Which I do not do, I can give my opinion on health issues or grooming issues but that is it. I have 40 years experience, I've had a vet call me once to ask me if I had ever seen something that was happening to a young pup that was brought in to his office. I told him what I thought and saved the pups life. Vets don't get to work with baby pups that much (unless they are breeders to)so its hard sometime when they have to find out whats wrong and do tests that they have to wait for results to come back from the lab, most of the time the pup is gone before the results come back.

The pup you bought is a beautiful little guy can't you just enjoy him and get on with your life!
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#37 REBUTTAL Individual responds

What's the matter Laurie?

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Laurie the only reason I offered was because you were whining about it and I thought I would help you out with the money part. Dr. Stevenson does do hernia's for $35-$45 dollars but We both knew Buster's would go away just like Barbara's puppy did, it was you that insisted on not waiting. Dr. Horn also told you that in her letter. And I was going to take you out there with me when I was going, I wasn't going to make a special trip.

You were given the Health record for the 50th time, the health record that is required by law. Also I do have two supervising vets, Dr. Cohen and Banfield Animal Hospital. And they have been my vets, Dr. Cohen for 40 years and Banfield vet for two years.

Also FYI it is not illegal to give your own shots (can be bought from several catalogs) do your own wormings and give your own meds. They are sold in any petsmart or petco. I can do that for my dogs and pups, what is illegal is doing it after the pup is no longer mine. Which I do not do, I can give my opinion on health issues or grooming issues but that is it. I have 40 years experience, I've had a vet call me once to ask me if I had ever seen something that was happening to a young pup that was brought in to his office. I told him what I thought and saved the pups life. Vets don't get to work with baby pups that much (unless they are breeders to)so its hard sometime when they have to find out whats wrong and do tests that they have to wait for results to come back from the lab, most of the time the pup is gone before the results come back.

The pup you bought is a beautiful little guy can't you just enjoy him and get on with your life!
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#36 Author of original report

Yes, I certainly can read

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Donna you are over the top with the insults. How dare you! You have reached a new low, just when I thought you could go no lower. It's amazing how you come after me, when you're the one that is so very wrong. You are protesting entirely too much, don't you get it??

All the things done for my puppy were necessary and you have no right to question me, at all. You have completely taken this to a new level, not a good one, either.

You told me on the phone that you did not know about the Consumer Rights, and any forms you were supposed to give us. You have admitted that here..and now you say your "agreement" does follow the law, so, obviously IT DID NOT when we got our puppy.

What matters is what you did NOT do, you have now admitted that time and time again. You are making yourself look absolutely ridiculous. Have you no conscience? Or, is it because everyone else that had a problem with you always went away or gave up??

The puppy did not just have a parasite, you make it seem like nothing, I have explained a hundred times what was wrong and what was done about it. Do you not comprehend the issues at hand? You are too busy throwing insults around and making accusatory statements as well as, making up more stories as you go.

That's fine, Donna, you continue your path of denial..take it out on me if you need to, I can handle it. You do not affect my life nor do I care what you say about me, it's typical behavior and I expected it..I did not expect you to reach such lows, however, even I didn't give you enough credit for being as rude and obnoxious as you have proven to be!! It's all written here, in the letters you sent and on your web site.

There is much more to this, I am simply giving my experience, the rest will find it's own way!

We are still waiting for health records and I am not talking about the "shot" record. By the way, you are not a Vet, so, you have no place to diagnose or suggest treatment (that's in that law, too). Also, you did not have a supervising Vet when the Health Dept came, either time, so, who actually gave you permission to give these shots/medications? It has to be a licensed NJ Vet, by the way, before you start talking about your Vet in PA. The same Vet you claim could neuter and fix the hernia for $45, that's a frightening thought. You offered to take Buster there, remember, for neutering and to repair the hernia, so, obviously you thought it had to be fixed as well. I was never going to allow you to ever touch my puppy again, enough harm had been done. Donna, I'm telling you I have barely scratched the surface with your violations, I am trying to stay on point. No one will believe half the things you have said and done. The facts that have been stated are quite horrifying enough regarding your dismissal of the facts and failure to follow NJ law.

I have no concern about what you think..all that matters is what is true!!

DONNA ROBERTS CONVICTED OF ANIMAL CRUELTY, FAILED TO FOLLOW NJ CONSUMER LAW. See reports above for all information pertaining to these violations!!

Further information can be found on the NJCAPSA web site, as well!!

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#35 Author of original report

Focus on the facts

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
The Pallante Bandwagon, huh? Well, whatever you want to call it or call me, will not change anything..once again, everyone knows the truth!

Barbara wrote nothing about me in her report and yet, you pull me into it and blame me for it, well, let me tell you this...I did not tell Barbara to do anything, I simply posted it for her after she wrote it and sent it to me. Others are entitled to explain what happened to their puppies and the experiences they have had when dealing with you..which are sadly the same as the experience I have had in my dealings with you.

You need to stop the personal attacks and state the facts. You say my story is old..well, I will say, this ridiculous situation is getting very old, "hearing" the same old things from you over and over, even though you add a new twist now and then...old, you not admitting the truth, extremely old, the personal attacks...old.

How would you know if the truth is boring? You are continuously trying to obscure the truth and are simply resorting to attacks and as usual, trying to place the blame on everyone else. Focus on the facts, for a change!!

Here's part of my old story:
Donna Roberts: Convicted of Animal Cruelty, Dec. 2007, Shamong, NJ
Donna Roberts: Failed to follow NJ Consumer Law (see above report)

If you had done what you were supposed to do back in the beginning, this wouldn't be happening now.

Please, be aware of several different names and business locations used by Shady Oak Havanese/Donna Roberts.
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#34 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Can You Read?

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Laurie I never said I didn't know the Consumer Law, it is written in my Sales Agreement paragraph #2. which your husband signed.

As far as the other people commenting on your crap and lies, I have no idea who they are but good for them, What its not the attention you expected. What did you expect for everyone to feel sorry for you because the pup had a parasite, did you want sympathy cards sent? Most people can see throught the garbage you are ranting all over the place.

My contract is is pages long now because there is a sheet that goes over the pup, we check the eyes, the coat, the ears, etc. and the consumer has to sign off on the pup. Also has to sign that they got their papers, consumer law, puppy checklist, observation statement, etc. So this way when and if I run into another Drama Queen I will have everything in writing to back me up.

As far as the Animal Cruelity charges, well if they were for starving my animals or beating them I would be ashamed but they were because two pups had parasites and one pup that was not mine had a mild ear infection (more likey caused by getting water in the ear from a bath) So simply put the entire thing was a total miscarry of Justice.

After it all went down I got phone call after phone call of Breeders in disbelief. The Presidant of the ADOA and the Burlington Kennel Club called, people who have been harassed by the SPCA themselves over lies, everyday I got at least 5 calls and still now, yesterday I got a letter from a Breeder in North Jersey wishing me the best. And that lady from Texas I am shipping her a black/white female. Anyone who knows about dogs can see the harassment and slander in your rantings, your dog had a parasite, it was not serious. What in the world would you have done if the pup died of something?

Laurie you need to move on. And don't have no Human children because they will not be perfect either?
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#33 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Can You Read?

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Laurie I never said I didn't know the Consumer Law, it is written in my Sales Agreement paragraph #2. which your husband signed.

As far as the other people commenting on your crap and lies, I have no idea who they are but good for them, What its not the attention you expected. What did you expect for everyone to feel sorry for you because the pup had a parasite, did you want sympathy cards sent? Most people can see throught the garbage you are ranting all over the place.

My contract is is pages long now because there is a sheet that goes over the pup, we check the eyes, the coat, the ears, etc. and the consumer has to sign off on the pup. Also has to sign that they got their papers, consumer law, puppy checklist, observation statement, etc. So this way when and if I run into another Drama Queen I will have everything in writing to back me up.

As far as the Animal Cruelity charges, well if they were for starving my animals or beating them I would be ashamed but they were because two pups had parasites and one pup that was not mine had a mild ear infection (more likey caused by getting water in the ear from a bath) So simply put the entire thing was a total miscarry of Justice.

After it all went down I got phone call after phone call of Breeders in disbelief. The Presidant of the ADOA and the Burlington Kennel Club called, people who have been harassed by the SPCA themselves over lies, everyday I got at least 5 calls and still now, yesterday I got a letter from a Breeder in North Jersey wishing me the best. And that lady from Texas I am shipping her a black/white female. Anyone who knows about dogs can see the harassment and slander in your rantings, your dog had a parasite, it was not serious. What in the world would you have done if the pup died of something?

Laurie you need to move on. And don't have no Human children because they will not be perfect either?
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#32 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Can You Read?

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Laurie I never said I didn't know the Consumer Law, it is written in my Sales Agreement paragraph #2. which your husband signed.

As far as the other people commenting on your crap and lies, I have no idea who they are but good for them, What its not the attention you expected. What did you expect for everyone to feel sorry for you because the pup had a parasite, did you want sympathy cards sent? Most people can see throught the garbage you are ranting all over the place.

My contract is is pages long now because there is a sheet that goes over the pup, we check the eyes, the coat, the ears, etc. and the consumer has to sign off on the pup. Also has to sign that they got their papers, consumer law, puppy checklist, observation statement, etc. So this way when and if I run into another Drama Queen I will have everything in writing to back me up.

As far as the Animal Cruelity charges, well if they were for starving my animals or beating them I would be ashamed but they were because two pups had parasites and one pup that was not mine had a mild ear infection (more likey caused by getting water in the ear from a bath) So simply put the entire thing was a total miscarry of Justice.

After it all went down I got phone call after phone call of Breeders in disbelief. The Presidant of the ADOA and the Burlington Kennel Club called, people who have been harassed by the SPCA themselves over lies, everyday I got at least 5 calls and still now, yesterday I got a letter from a Breeder in North Jersey wishing me the best. And that lady from Texas I am shipping her a black/white female. Anyone who knows about dogs can see the harassment and slander in your rantings, your dog had a parasite, it was not serious. What in the world would you have done if the pup died of something?

Laurie you need to move on. And don't have no Human children because they will not be perfect either?
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#31 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie Can You Read?

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Laurie I never said I didn't know the Consumer Law, it is written in my Sales Agreement paragraph #2. which your husband signed.

As far as the other people commenting on your crap and lies, I have no idea who they are but good for them, What its not the attention you expected. What did you expect for everyone to feel sorry for you because the pup had a parasite, did you want sympathy cards sent? Most people can see throught the garbage you are ranting all over the place.

My contract is is pages long now because there is a sheet that goes over the pup, we check the eyes, the coat, the ears, etc. and the consumer has to sign off on the pup. Also has to sign that they got their papers, consumer law, puppy checklist, observation statement, etc. So this way when and if I run into another Drama Queen I will have everything in writing to back me up.

As far as the Animal Cruelity charges, well if they were for starving my animals or beating them I would be ashamed but they were because two pups had parasites and one pup that was not mine had a mild ear infection (more likey caused by getting water in the ear from a bath) So simply put the entire thing was a total miscarry of Justice.

After it all went down I got phone call after phone call of Breeders in disbelief. The Presidant of the ADOA and the Burlington Kennel Club called, people who have been harassed by the SPCA themselves over lies, everyday I got at least 5 calls and still now, yesterday I got a letter from a Breeder in North Jersey wishing me the best. And that lady from Texas I am shipping her a black/white female. Anyone who knows about dogs can see the harassment and slander in your rantings, your dog had a parasite, it was not serious. What in the world would you have done if the pup died of something?

Laurie you need to move on. And don't have no Human children because they will not be perfect either?
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#30 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Barbara H Puppy the facts

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 25, 2008
Barbara H bought her puppy on April 25, 2007. He is a black and white male that was about 10 weeks old.

Ms. H took the puppy to Adamston Veterinary Clinic, Dr. Friedlander, in Brick, NJ
732-920-1617 on May 1, 2007. The puppy received a DHLPV booster shot, was checked for worms (didn't have any worms but did come up with cocci) NO UNFIT FOR PURCHASE WAS ISSUED. The cost of the medicine to treat the cocci parasite was $11.66. Mr. H called and I told him to send me the bill.

Ms. H was very concerned about her AKC papers (state law gives a seller 120 to send papers) After a week Ms. H starts to call and harass, calling at all hours of the night, when I picked up the phone she would say "I'm going to get you" "you will be sorry, I want my papers" This went on till she got her papers and this woman is 87 years old. Can you believe it?

When I sent the papers I also sent a check for $11.66 and they claim they never got it.

On May 11, 2007 they brought the pup back to the vet, this time the vet claimed he had lice. Well I believe that either the pup caught the lice in the waiting room when they went there on 5/1/07 or maybe it wasn't lice it might have been chiggers but I do know for sure that whatever it was it did not come from my house. And when I told them that they freaked and the threats continued. I would also like the world to know that on that visit no UNFIT WAS ISSUED, either.

I can assure everyone that there is no lice at my house what so ever. I have 7 grandchildren and a daughter still at home and they play with the pups all the time. Also the Board of Health and SPCA found no dogs with skin conditions what so ever.

This pup also had a teene-tiny outie bellybutton caused by the mom during birth and thank God they were smarter than Laurie and waited for it to go away and it did.

Now this person is on the Pallente bandwagon of hate. No UNfit was issued until sometime in Sept.(it was backdated which is illegel) and I recieved it on 9/30/07.
This is 5 months after the purchase of this puppy. TOTALLY OUT OF DATE AND TOTALLY BOGUS.

I had to call the State Troopers on January 12, 2008 as Ms. H started her phone calls again. The Police promised to contact her, what ever they said to her worked she has not called again, I guess that is why Laurie is writing their "story" .

I guess Laurie feels she has to Do her Drama thing since the truth is boring. And her "story is old"
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#29 Author of original report

Correction

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 25, 2008
Barbara H. sent her complaint and asked me to post it for her..on 2/25/08, not 07. Sorry for the confusion.
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#28 Author of original report

Have you forgotten?

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 25, 2008
Donna Roberts stated to me on 8/14/07 that she was not aware of the laws regarding the sale of dogs and her responsibility to provide the documents required by law. She said "it must be something new." I told her..and I agree with Barbara, if she has been breeding for 40 yrs, she should make it her business to know the law inside and out. If there is nothing to hide, you offer all the documents, health records, etc...at least, I would think so. Donna that was the day your Daughter was screaming in the background using obscene language and trying to start an arguement, remember that?

That being said, how could you have "followed" the law if you claim you knew nothing about it? The timeline is negated in all cases that you did not supply the documents required by law.

Now, once again you try to make us out to be the ones not following proper procedures. Had you done what you were supposed to do in the first place, then and only then would this not be happening. I wonder how many others just gave up and didn't follow through? I am sure that is what you thought we were going to do, too, but, we did not do anything wrong and you should not be blaming anyone but, yourself.

I will quote your from your last response. You say "NOW" your "Agreement of Sale is 14 pages long, etc"..ok NOW is not then and it certainly wasn't then. I would think it would be since Consumer Affairs found you in violation...why are you bragging about NOW? That seems to me to prove the point we are making. Also, "no pups will test positive for either again".....ok, so...they did test positive and did have the parasites at time of sale..ok, that was another point..thanks for that, too!!

You were convicted of Animal Cruelty for selling puppies with contagious and infectious diseases..that was the charge/conviction, I did not make up "contagious and infectious" that is how it was written.

You never told me anything verbally about Consumer rights, and there certainly wasn't any sign and you did not give us the required documents, so any way you look at it, you were wrong. I am not the only one saying this..NJ Consumer Affairs found you in violation (see above) how can you deny that??? And, the Judge found you GUILTY, these are not things I made up, this is not drama, this is the way it is!! The facts!!

And, whoever Maryann or Lori or whoever you are...it seems funny to me that you chime in almost exactly when Donna posts her response..and you spell the same things wrong...in fact, it's so similar it's almost funny...or is that a coincidence? You don't know the facts, and I never said my Vet bills exceeded $650, please pay closer attention and make sure you read Consumer Affairs findings and perhaps, the NJ Consumer Law if you so desire, I sure would if I were you before I bought a puppy from anywhere. I certainly think Giardia, Coccidia, Ear Infection, Umbilical Hernia and Gastritis are not acceptable. I have friends and family, many of whom own dogs and none of their dogs have ever had these illnesses or parasites. You tout Donna and defend her, I have a hard time believing you are who you say you are, but, it really doesn't matter.

The desperation shows more with every response. Ms. Roberts has said horrible things about me/us and made false allegations on her web site, on here and to Consumer Affairs, very rude and in poor taste. But, I'm not the one crying about it, I am addressing the issues and stating the truth. This is not slander, it is exactly what happened. I do not need to defend myself, the facts speak for themselves. Have a great day, thanks for your input! I would not buy a puppy from anyone that was convicted of Animal Cruelty.

Sometimes the truth hurts, but, it will ultimately set you free!!
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On behalf of Barbara with written permission

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 25, 2008
I was given permission by Barbara to include this with my report. Mrs. H--- wrote this and forwarded it to me 2/25/07 and asked that I include this with my report as she was having difficulty logging on.

My name is Barbara I purchased a puppy from Donna Robert a Havanese breeder from
Shamong N.J. on April 25, 2007. On my first vet visit my puppy was diagnosed with coccidia, umbilical hernia and scabies which is highly contagious to people and animals. I notified Donna Roberts my first vet visit. I informed her that if my puppy had all these problems so must all the other puppies. Obviously this meant nothing to her because months later she sold puppies with the same conditions or worse. I was one of four people who filed a complaint against Donna Roberts with the SPCA, NJCAPSA (who does wonderful work), Dept. of Health and Dept. of Consumers Affairs.

I was in court on December 21, 2007, Donna Roberts was convicted of three counts of animal cruelty and neglect. Donna Roberts must believe all the lies that she tells because they just keep on coming. Donna Roberts keeps on referring to a Contract when there is no Contract just a Sales Agreement. Donna Roberts signature was not on the Sales Agreement which is also a bunch of bull. Donna Roberts stated she knew nothing about what the State requires from breeders and sellers. I would believe if Donna Roberts has been selling puppies for over 40 years and with all the past problems she has had it would be her responsibility to know what the law is. Donna Roberts thinks she is the law. I would advise anyone to think twice about purchasing a dog from Donna Roberts or one of her many aliases. Donna Roberts should not sell goldfish let alone puppies.
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#26 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Definitions of the Charges

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 24, 2008
Laurie you keep posting infectious and contaious diseases- What was the diseases- I will tell YOU- PARASITES- not life threating viruses, not life threating bacteria. The pup had parasites that are found in 80% of all pups. I didn't shove the parasites down the pup's throat.

As far as the Consumer Law it was carried out. You were informed of your rights in the Agreement of Sale, in #2 paragraph. the KNOW YOUR RIGHTS SIGN and I told you verbally but I already know you will deny all of the above because it takes away from the Drama of your STORY.

And as far as me being uncooporative, yes, if sticking to the written law as it is written and not bending to suit the consumer or making it easier for the consumer to shaft me. The laws were written to protect the Consumer but when they work in favor of the seller boy do people get mad, then they want to bend the rules, they want to cry "I didn't know I had to do this." that is why it's in my agreement of sale, so that you do know that every pup is sold under the consumer affairs law.

My Agreement of Sale is now 14 pages long and you have to sign for everything sometimes twice. I have also discovered Cocci-rid which kills the parasite of coccidia, not just knock it down and they now have a shot for guardia so you can rest assured that no pups will ever test positive for either again. Unfortunally both these drugs were not on the market when you bought your pup or we would not be communicating like this. A Breeder is not a miracle worker and we can only use medicine that is available to us.
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#25 Consumer Comment

Lori from Texas

AUTHOR: Maryann - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 24, 2008
WOW: That's all I can say. I don't know Laurie nor Donna but am interested in the purchase of an AKC Havanese to ad to my breeding program. I seem to come across this rip off report while looking for a Havanese breeder in NJ area.

I been a breeder of Havanese and ShihTzu's for MANY MANY years. I have never heard of a vet vaccinating a sick puppy that is near death and needing to be spoon fed. Also the puppy could NOT have gastritis from parasites that were NO longer present if proper treatment had been given at the first vet appointment at 10 days post sale as stated.

If your vet bills exceeded 650.00 for coccidia and Guardia you need to find a new vet that is EXTREMELY expensive and NOT practical. even with an X-ray and hernia repair.

Hernia's are very common in Havanese and ShihTzu's almost all my litters I have 2 pups sometimes more with them. NOT always a genetic defect the mother can pull on the cord to hard after delivery and pull it out. Our experience proved that ANY umbilical hernias the size of a marble or smaller has ALWAYS closed on it's own by 1 year old. If it was larger we took 50.00 off the pup at the time of sale. The puppy then had it repaired at the time of being altered.

About 80% of dogs/puppies carry coccidia and Guardia and show no symptoms. If half the world tested there dogs they would be quit surprised. We as well as Donna treat our puppies for all the above plus some BUT when a puppy is under stress they can have an outbreak and we do hear about it as well. Really there isn't much anyone can do but retreat the puppy and hope the treatment knocks it down long enough for the puppy to develop a stronger immune system. You can go visit the CLEANEST most anal person with only 3 dogs in the house on the couch and with all the paperwork in order, and you know what there puppy can breakdown with the same parasite or even worse PARVO!

What I read I think a lot of this from both sides has been taken out of text and blown up to be more than what it is. Animal CRUELTY for a parasite is in sane.

I believe there is ALOT of slander here. Your actions are not in good faith and may be actionable in a court of law should Donna pursue such.

These parasites would not deter me from the possible purchase of a quality AKC Havanese from Donna. I have purchased puppies from local breeders that have had much worse. That is why I am looking in the NJ area for my new quality bred puppy.

Good luck to both of you
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#24 Author of original report

The fact(s) of the matter!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 24, 2008
Wow, you seem so well versed on the law NOW, however, the information is once again in bits and pieces and incorrect.

Here's the thing: Had you followed the NJ Consumer Law in the first place and notified us of our Consumer Rights, perhaps we wouldn't be having this discussion.

But, here we are, with your continuous denial and misrepresentation of the facts. The law is there for all to read, complete and accurate. Stop leaving things out!! You did not supply us with the required documents in the first place and NOW you want to fall back on the law...even though it proves how wrong you are?? Ok then!!

Your timeline is incorrect and the information inaccurate as usual! I have all the detailed and accurate information and documentation. Oh, and by the way..he is not your puppy..he is our puppy, what don't you understand????

I never called you more than twice in one day and I never ever threatened, harassed or abused you. I would think that once your were informed of an illness in any puppy, you would have been more than willing to talk to me and try to get him well. I expected too much, that is clear. Thank you for showing everyone what kind of person you really are...you are making things less complicated for me regarding that issue.

DONNA ROBERTS: CONVICTED OF ANIMAL CRUELTY IN SHAMONG MUNICIPAL COURT: Selling puppies with contagious and infectious diseases.

FAILED TO FOLLOW NJ CONSUMER LAW: VIOLATION OF NJ ADMINISTRATIVE CODE REGULATIONS as per the Office Of NJ Consumer Affairs:
"Which entitles the consumer once the purchase price" (Consumer Affairs letter Sept. 5, 2007)
Also, "the consumers also allege after several requests for reimbursement you finally sent the AKC documentation and a letter denying all claims, stating the consumers failed to follow the Consumer Law for notifications of Unfit for sale, but, you failed to provide the "Right to Know" documentation at time of sale which is required by the NJ Division of Consumer Affairs."
"Your failure to provide the required documentation to the consumers per the NJ Division of Consumer Affairs at time of sale regarding Right to Know and Election of Options would negate the stated time requirements." It was also stated that.. "in "both" of these cases the consumers have informed this office you failed to provide the required documents which states by regulation you and the consumers are to sign each form with a copy given to the consumers at time of purchase and you are to retain a copy for your files." "You have failed to follow these requirements." (Consumer Affairs letter Oct. 1, 2007)
You were also found by the office of Consumer Affairs as "subject uncooperative" "as you have failed to satisfactorily resolve this complaint" and were reported to the statewide computer network. (Consumer Affairs letter Nov. 15, 2007) That is all stated in the letters you received from Consumer Affairs.


The facts and the truth won't change, you can try all you want!!! Don't feign concern for my puppy now, it's entirely too late and is extremely insulting. We take care of Buster the way he deserves to be taken care of and with the best of everything.
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#23 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Read the Law as it is Written Not as you would like it to be

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, February 24, 2008
The Consumer Law is Simple.

When you buy a pup you have 14 days to take it to a vet.

If the vet finds the pup sick and declares it "unfit for purchase" you have 5 DAYS to get the unfit to the seller.

Then the seller can contest and have the buyer bring the pup to a vet the seller picks out or a mutual vet.

If the buyer does not contest yes the money for the meds that has to to with the problem the dog was sick must be paid. Booster shots, upkeep etc. is not the responsiblity of the seller. Nor upset stomachs that have no origin.

Now your case.

you buy pup.

10 days later you take pup to vet. Pup was NOT DECLARED UNFIT (4 days remain on the HEALTH GUARANTEE)

6 days later pup is back at vet for upset stomach, not DECLARED UNFIT

21 days after you bought pup you go back to the vet and force her to write an unfit without her even seeing the pup that day.

The unfit is not in my hands within 5 days anyway and its out of its time frame.

So all in all Who didn't follow the LAW?

So lets make believe,

you bought dog

you take dog to vet

vet declares dog sick-has parasite-UNFIT FOR PURCHASE- $43.00 for meds

you send UNFIT and Bill to me

I check it over and send you the $43.00 Simple. And if you remember because of all your petty whining I did send the $43.00 (even though by Law I didn't have to) and you sent it back, you wanted the purchase price of the dog back, you want a free puppy. No WAY. You already got a $300 discount, so don't tell the world this is not about money, that's all this whole thing is about and the fact that I didn't jump through your HOOP.

None of the pups involved in your GANG had UNFIT'S made out in the 14 guarantee period, NONE, and you know it but you just keep going on and on.

You keep slandering me, saying my dogs are not cared for but two Health Depts, disagree with you, all the vets that the pups I sold disagree with you, even the SPCA couldn't find anything wrong with my dogs when they came here (and believe me you know they where searcing for any little thing to come after me and couldn't find it) I care about my pups and I care about the people who buy my pups but I DO NOT TAKE ABUSE, HARASSMENT, THREATS OR CRAP FROM ANYONE. So when someone starts with me in the garbage can they go, I do not have time to deal with it and I don't. So when you want to call 20 times a day to threaten and go over the same line again and again, FORGET IT. And when you write 30 letters, yea they went from the mailbox to the dumpster. I read the first 5 and answered them that should have been enough already. You were given my answer in the first letter and the second phonecall. I sold you a puppy if I knew I would be indebted to you for the rest of my life I would have hung up the phone and told you to go away.

You know its funny, I still talk to people I sold dogs to 20 years ago, they even stop by and they are NICE. I enjoy hearing from them, you on the other hand, I will enjoy not hearing from you again. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see MY PUPPY but that will never happen and as an adult I can accept that. I hope that he will be taken care off and hope he never gets a flea or a worm because that would mean YOU would be GUILTY of ANIMAL ABUSE.
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#22 Author of original report

Doesn't make any sense!!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 23, 2008
Again, you are wrong and completely off base. Nothing surprises us anymore, except your total disregard for the welfare of the puppies.

You claim your dogs are "Cerf'd yearly" so..show it to us! The items you stated are not the only things required by NJ Consumer Law, not even close. I'm sure you never bothered to have any of the other tests done on your dogs, either..so, I guess that is why we haven't gotten them. If there is nothing to hide, then send them to us..to all of us.

Your quote from the letter is wrong as well, as usual, you left a lot out. You are only going to see things the way you want to see them, there is no point to try and rationalize with you. We all know the truth, that's really all that matters. Even you know the truth, you will never admit you are wrong, I suppose.

This is just how you operate and you have been doing this for a very long time, there are others from years ago with stories and complaints about you and what you did to them and their puppies..it's disgusting..and you know what you have done!

If you had a problem with the Unfit, you had the opportunity to contest it, otherwise, you were required to pay within 10 days. You didn't do either, you are in violation once again. Did you read the law, or just try to skirt around the edges and try to make it up as you go? The law is there for all to see, you need to do the right thing, for once.

I am done with your pointless responses, they are shallow and deceptive to say the least. I have stated the facts and told the truth. I can go on knowing I did the right thing and continue to take care of my puppy the right way and with a clear conscience.

The truth is here for all to see...that's all that needs to be said. You have given everyone a sampling of who you are, that's more than enough to prove the point, I'm sure! I never compromised my character or integrity, I cannot say the same for you!

Donna Roberts/Shady Oak Havanese CONVICTED OF ANIMAL CRUELTY, DEC, 2007.
FAILED TO FOLLOW NJ CONSUMER LAW, it goes on and on!!!
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#21 REBUTTAL Individual responds

AMEN-AMEN-AMEN

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 23, 2008
Thank you.
Just one more point and I am sure everyone who ever bred a dog or owned one can relate --

I was convicted of ANIMAL CRUELITY because the pup had a parasite that came from the mom dog and she caught it from the NEW JERSEY STATE WILD TURKEYS that tresspass on my property and crap all over my yard, including the swingsets that my Grandchildren play on. Even though I have complained to the NJ WILD LIFE control people nothing has been done about these animals.

So when everyone wants to cry cruelity, it was not starving the pup, it was not beating the pup, it was not being mean to the pup, it was just the fact that the pup had a parasite. And I am the only person in NJ HISTORY to recieve a summons for this.

Next I can see it coming if your baby gets diaper rash your doctor can turn you in for child abuse. Or if your dog comes up with heartworm can you be turned in for animal cruelity, think about it!!!! At the rate all the dog saviors are going the only place you will be able to get a pup will be at a pet store for $5000.00 and they will be coming out of the mid-west puppy farms because they will never be able to shut them down because they have the money to fight back. And I am not saying that all the laws are bad I am just saying its out of hand and to the extreme. I also would like to state that not all dogs have to sit on satin pillows to be loved and correctly cared for, I could just see Geese Police having their Border Collies all sitting in their house on satin pillows eating bon bons. Give them two hours what a feathery mess that would be.

I have bred dogs along time and I would say the ratio of wonderful people to the few not so nice people is 335 to 1. I have beautiful dogs with wonderful pedigrees and will continue to further my lines. I love my dogs.
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#20 Consumer Comment

The Real Deal/ Bottom Line

AUTHOR: Beyonce - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 23, 2008
I think it is quite possible that someone has been watching too much of the Grammies OR music videos.......in any case I am not Fergie or Beyonce or even Jay Z, but a reviewer of the facts.

I thank Pam the REAL Neighbor and I am THE REAL SISTER of Laurie. There are many of us, not to be imitated!! We could all line up and post and post and fight back and forth, but I speak for all of us.

BOTTOM LINE everyone (yeah, you too Fergie):

1) A very sick dog was sold to the Pallente's
2) This fact was upheld in the courts. Convicted of Animal Cruelty in Dec. 2007
3) The rest is fluff (pardon the pun sweet puppy) and nonsense.
4) I sincerely hope your husband is feeling better Donna.
5) Buster is now a thriving puppy and in the beginning was not.
6) Thank God and Thank God for health and well-being and let our conscience guide us all.

Roz Tas (not Beyonce...do not want to misrepresent myself!)
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#19 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Call Dr. Horn of Bryan Animal Hostpital and get the Real Facts

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 23, 2008
The Lies and Drama can end, if anyone out there wants to know HOW SICK this pup was after they had it for 10 days call Dr. Horn at Bryan Animal Hospital and ask her. Or contact me and I will send you copies of the bills. The first bill and the only one that I would have been responsibile for had the vet found the pup sick has the booster shots (clearly not given if pup is sick), meds for cocci and guardia (the parasites) flea and tick control & heartworm control. NO UNFIT. I am not in Denial, I am sticking up for MY rights and FOLLOWING the NJ CONSUMER LAWS. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Oh to to make another issue clear, now read carefully. IN the NJ CONSUMER LAWS the Health Record is any shots, wormings, etc that the pup had must be listed with the dates and product used. CERF testing (eye exam) BAER testing (hearing exam) OFA (hip exam) are not , I repeat NOT mandatory and if the breeder wants to do these tests and give them out great if not they do not have to.

I also have a letter that Dr. Horn wrote and she states in that letter "I do not believe that a pup that has parasites is a pup that is unfit for sale". And Laurie you have that letter, look through your mounds of paperwork and find it, READ IT, Then READ IT AGAIN. Take it back to Dr. Horn and let her explain it to you.

Take your neighbors with you.
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#18 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Call Dr. Horn of Bryan Animal Hostpital and get the Real Facts

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 23, 2008
The Lies and Drama can end, if anyone out there wants to know HOW SICK this pup was after they had it for 10 days call Dr. Horn at Bryan Animal Hospital and ask her. Or contact me and I will send you copies of the bills. The first bill and the only one that I would have been responsibile for had the vet found the pup sick has the booster shots (clearly not given if pup is sick), meds for cocci and guardia (the parasites) flea and tick control & heartworm control. NO UNFIT. I am not in Denial, I am sticking up for MY rights and FOLLOWING the NJ CONSUMER LAWS. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Oh to to make another issue clear, now read carefully. IN the NJ CONSUMER LAWS the Health Record is any shots, wormings, etc that the pup had must be listed with the dates and product used. CERF testing (eye exam) BAER testing (hearing exam) OFA (hip exam) are not , I repeat NOT mandatory and if the breeder wants to do these tests and give them out great if not they do not have to.

I also have a letter that Dr. Horn wrote and she states in that letter "I do not believe that a pup that has parasites is a pup that is unfit for sale". And Laurie you have that letter, look through your mounds of paperwork and find it, READ IT, Then READ IT AGAIN. Take it back to Dr. Horn and let her explain it to you.

Take your neighbors with you.
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#17 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Call Dr. Horn of Bryan Animal Hostpital and get the Real Facts

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 23, 2008
The Lies and Drama can end, if anyone out there wants to know HOW SICK this pup was after they had it for 10 days call Dr. Horn at Bryan Animal Hospital and ask her. Or contact me and I will send you copies of the bills. The first bill and the only one that I would have been responsibile for had the vet found the pup sick has the booster shots (clearly not given if pup is sick), meds for cocci and guardia (the parasites) flea and tick control & heartworm control. NO UNFIT. I am not in Denial, I am sticking up for MY rights and FOLLOWING the NJ CONSUMER LAWS. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Oh to to make another issue clear, now read carefully. IN the NJ CONSUMER LAWS the Health Record is any shots, wormings, etc that the pup had must be listed with the dates and product used. CERF testing (eye exam) BAER testing (hearing exam) OFA (hip exam) are not , I repeat NOT mandatory and if the breeder wants to do these tests and give them out great if not they do not have to.

I also have a letter that Dr. Horn wrote and she states in that letter "I do not believe that a pup that has parasites is a pup that is unfit for sale". And Laurie you have that letter, look through your mounds of paperwork and find it, READ IT, Then READ IT AGAIN. Take it back to Dr. Horn and let her explain it to you.

Take your neighbors with you.
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#16 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Call Dr. Horn of Bryan Animal Hostpital and get the Real Facts

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, February 23, 2008
The Lies and Drama can end, if anyone out there wants to know HOW SICK this pup was after they had it for 10 days call Dr. Horn at Bryan Animal Hospital and ask her. Or contact me and I will send you copies of the bills. The first bill and the only one that I would have been responsibile for had the vet found the pup sick has the booster shots (clearly not given if pup is sick), meds for cocci and guardia (the parasites) flea and tick control & heartworm control. NO UNFIT. I am not in Denial, I am sticking up for MY rights and FOLLOWING the NJ CONSUMER LAWS. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Oh to to make another issue clear, now read carefully. IN the NJ CONSUMER LAWS the Health Record is any shots, wormings, etc that the pup had must be listed with the dates and product used. CERF testing (eye exam) BAER testing (hearing exam) OFA (hip exam) are not , I repeat NOT mandatory and if the breeder wants to do these tests and give them out great if not they do not have to.

I also have a letter that Dr. Horn wrote and she states in that letter "I do not believe that a pup that has parasites is a pup that is unfit for sale". And Laurie you have that letter, look through your mounds of paperwork and find it, READ IT, Then READ IT AGAIN. Take it back to Dr. Horn and let her explain it to you.

Take your neighbors with you.
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#15 Consumer Comment

The real neighbor

AUTHOR: Pam - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 22, 2008
I am the real neighbor of Laurie! I witnessed everything and then some that these poor people had to deal with after they got their sick puppy. It was unbelievable and caused a lot of stress and anxiety for all involved.
This woman Donna Roberts certainly shows a Puppy Mill mentality by the way she denies everything and keeps selling sick puppies without a second thought.
Donna should stop insulting everyone's intelligence with her childish behavior and denial. It shows guilt, in my opinion!!!
These people treat their puppy like a Prince, in fact, all the neighbors say that about him.
Laurie went through a traumatic experience and dealt with everything with patience and a positive outlook. She doesn't have a mean bone in her body and will do anything for anyone, anytime of the day or night.
Laurie and Lou bought their puppy in good faith and trusting that it was what it was supposed to be, a healthy puppy with no issues. So much for trust!
They never gave up and devoted every moment to their puppy and still do. He has the best of everything and the love and comfort of a safe and happy home. I never saw people that love their dog as much as my friends do.
This woman needs to stop and get over it, herself, she is acting exactly like a guilty person would.
Stop selling sick puppies and maybe everyone will leave you alone! I have had 3 puppies during my lifetime and not any of them had any parasite or any other sickness like the ones from Shady Oak Havanese.

Pam
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#14 Author of original report

update

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 22, 2008
First, let me say..I am not attacking or slandering anyone. That is not my intention and it is not my purpose for filing this complaint. I am simply stating clear concise facts and details. It seems that you are extremely defensive, that may say a little something about your "story". You are the one making derogatory statements and personally attacking me.

But, I am used to it, it's par for the course, it's what you do...but, you cannot try to place the blame on me or anyone besides yourself. You were wrong, you did not follow the law, that is a fact, plain and simple. Your opinion doesn't hold merit, it doesn't matter what you think, the truth speaks for itself.

You have shown no concern for the sick puppies and by your behavior you are just proving my point over and over again. You try to take the focus off of yourself and your actions, but, it won't work anymore, it's plain to see who is right and who is wrong.

Your attempts to defame me are another sign of desperation and are quite pathetic. You are not hurting my feelings, you are simply showing your true colors.

Your "story" makes no sense, because, it changes all the time, we never would have the same opinion, because, my complaint has factual and accurate information. The simple truth..you were wrong, admit it and take responsibility for your actions.

As for Unfit for Sale and/or Unfit for Purchase..it seems self-explanatory to me, and something you certainly should be familiar with by now.

Stop the nonsense and name calling and ridiculous accusations. I don't know why you don't understand this, yet..how can it be that you actually think you did nothing wrong?

Failed to follow NJ Consumer Law governing the sale of dogs and Convicted of Animal Cruelty in Dec. 2007..those are the facts, you sold puppies with contagious and infectious diseases. You are wrong, we are not and have never been wrong about any of these issues.
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#13 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie you are the DRAMA QUEEN EXPOSED

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 22, 2008
Laurie I am not the one running from place to place to slander anyone, you are and if you left your DRAMA QUEEN CRAP out of your RANTINGS our stories would be pretty much the same. You bought dog, dog had parasite, dog was treated, dog is better.

The dog was never sick when I owned him, or are you now telling the world he was sick when you bought him? When you took him to the vet 10 days later he got a BOOSTER SHOT which no vet would do if they felt the dog was sick and you where told that a hundred times. YOU ARE THE ONE ATTACKING ME-I never bothered you but Why are you upset about me defending myself against your DRAMA QUEEN lies. You write like you are writing a Greek Tragedy and this is all about you, how you slaved and preyed to pull the little dog from the harrows of death's door. If I send you an Oscar or Academy Award would you leave me and my family alone? Your pup was not abused by me or anyone at my house. And not that it is any of your business I am back at my Howell house because my husband had a heart attack at Xmas and had triple by-pass surgery and his doctors are up here in Neptune, satified? At this time he is in Freehold hospital for the 3rd. time with internal bleeding. So we really don't need your crap right now.

I AM SORRY that the pup came up with the parasite, I give all my pups ALBON for 10 days off and 10 days on. And him being an older pup and showing absolutly no signs of having a parasite, I didn't know he still had some but again the vet says they can carry them with no harm to the pup. He still has them but they are now in small numbers and he is not under stress anymore so they are in check.

It just seems that you are an ALPHA person and anyone who doesn't jump through the hoop on your command will have hell to pay. And even though I really don't need your crap right now, I don't do HOOPS, never did, never will.
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Donna Roberts Havanese/Shady Oak Havanese

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 22, 2008
Well, here we are, surrounded once again by a completely ridiculous circle of inaccurate information and false allegations, just as I previously have stated:

Donna Roberts failed to follow NJ Consumer Law regarding the sale of dogs. Ms. Roberts was convicted of Animal Cruelty and she still refuses to take responsibility for her actions, as you can see!!

The law states: If the Breeder did not supply the proper documentation at the time of sale, as required by law, then the "timeline" does not apply. We were given nothing at time of sale, except a piece of paper with care instructions and a poorly written "sales agreement", which in fact we did follow even though it is null and void because no other documents were given to us at the time of sale. Ms. Roberts name/number were not even on it, and she did not sign her so called "contract." It in fact is not a legal document nor a contract. The law states that several documents must be provided to the Consumer at time of sale, notifying them of their rights and what course of action can be taken if the puppy is sick.

For the 20th time, where are the health records for the parents and the puppy? Where is the Cerf, Baer..etc, the records that are required by law, the records from a supervising Vet, (it was later discovered she did not have a supervising Vet) who gave the shots to the puppies? If Ms. Roberts did, was she given permission by a licensed NJ Vet? Ms. Roberts admitted in letters and testimony before the Court that she did in fact provide AKC papers with incorrect information, bogus papers in other words. We did get ours, but, what does it matter, the information is not correct, it's like having nothing. There were other Consumers that never got their AKC papers.

The puppies were advertised with a price range of $650-$1500. I never asked for a break nor did I get one. The only thing I asked her prior to coming to her home was the availability. We picked our puppy up, held him and decided to buy him before any price was even mentioned. The puppy was 16 wks old (according to the paper) and Ms. Roberts pointed to him and another 16 wk old and said they were $650 and the smaller ones were more expensive because she "had more time to sell them." Ms. Roberts had also stated to me that she was about to put an ad in the newspaper to "get rid of the puppies." Nice huh?

Ms. Roberts admits several times that she DID know the puppies had hernias, although, she never shared that with us at time of purchase.

Dr. Horn never said any of the things Ms. Roberts claims, not even close to her comments. How Donna Roberts can be so far off base is beyond me, but I guess after 40 years it's pretty much second nature, like a story that's been told many, many times you start to believe it yourself.

If you take a moment to read the responses, they barely make sense and Ms. Roberts continually contradicts herself. I don't really need to say very much, it speaks for itself and makes absolutely no sense at all. First, this..then that..then no, wait..it was this way. You "did not give them parasites and then at the same time..you "did not know they STILL had them" at the time of sale?? What?? Apparently, Ms. Roberts did know, after all she stated that the puppies were treated for parasites prior to sale after being questioned by Consumer Affairs.

As far as personal attacks and anything you may think you know about me, it's ridiculous!! I had and have more than enough money to take care of my puppy, he has the absolute best of everything.

The law governing the sale of dogs is quite clear, actually, it can be found under NJ Consumer Affairs and on the NJCAPSA web site. I encourage everyone to read it carefully and become aware of their rights and responsibilities.

More than a few things are unclear to me..like, we came to your house, but, you live in Howell? We came to your house in Shamong, we used the 845 number to call you, then that disappeared from your ad and the 609 number appeared shortly after we purchased our puppy.

We watch our puppy every moment of every single day..we are the ones that take care of him, we got him well. The only reason there was any trauma involved is from Ms. Roberts blatant disregard to the puppies while under her care which led to serious illness. We did absolutely nothing to cause harm to our puppy, for Ms. Roberts to even suggest such a thing just shows her denial of responsibility over and over again.

The facts remain the same, no name calling or excuses will change them..ever!!
Ms. Roberts is responsible for the medical bills up to the purchase price of the puppy, and it was much more than $43.00. As I stated in Court, I never expected Ms. Roberts to pay for flea meds, heartworm or routine care..I have told her that several times. Our Vet did X-rays to check for blockage and intussecption from the hernia (ensuring no intestines had become trapped) how is that my fault, especially when Ms. Roberts admits knowing about the hernia in the puppy. The puppy had Gastritis at that time from being extremely sick from the parasites, the X-rays were done as a precaution to ensure no other issue was present. Ms. Roberts constantly dismissed what Dr. Horn said, and now wants to say she said things that are completely false.

Our dog had Coccidia and Giardia (parasites-contagious to humans and animals) that is a big deal to me. It is not just a parasite, that is ridiculous. Ms. Roberts still tries to make it "no big deal"..well, I beg to differ. Get over it? A Parasite? Well, all I can say is Ms. Roberts was not here, she did not see the pain and suffering, she does not know what the puppy went through and the things that were done to ensure his recovery. Our puppy also had a Yeast Infection in both ears and an Umbilical Hernia. The hernia was repaired at the time of Neutering. I guess I should get over that, too? I would like to know how Ms. Roberts would feel if she was infected with parasites and infections, etc..and couldn't tell anyone what was wrong, I imagine it would be a different story.

Among all the other inaccurate information, Ms. Roberts states she told me to return the dog, well, if she thinks for one second that would ever happen, she is sadly mistaken, that was never an option as I stated to her on my election of option form that accompanied my Unfit for Sale Certificate...I chose to keep the dog (of course, without question) and be reimbursed the medical bills up to the purchase price...as has been discussed over and over again. I would never have returned my puppy to that place, he was already sick, I can't imagine what might have happened if he went back there, we rescued him from there, we got him well and we love and take care of our puppy.

I do not need to defend my actions to Ms. Roberts, but, the story must be told truthfully. Ms. Roberts seems so incredibly desperate, the ranting and ravings say it all.
Ms. Roberts knows nothing about me and does not know anyone related to me, nor has she spoken to anyone in our family. The story she tells is transparent and I am glad others can now see how misguided and underhanded her actions are, I hardly have to discuss her character, it is clearly shown by the ridiculous measures she has gone to, we can see right through it, it won't work.
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Name calling

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 21, 2008
Name calling? Really? How absolutely typical! I would expect nothing less than this from you based on what we have learned so far!
The facts remain the same! I will have a formal update later! I am here to state the facts not resort to childish behavior and personal attacks. You are way off base, the truth will prevail, I'm sure of it!!
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#10 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Laurie GET OVER IT

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 21, 2008
Laurie what is your problem? Your dog had a parasite, GET OVER IT. You have done your damage to my family, pat yourself on your back and say good job. I guess by the response from your "friend" it is clear what your problem is, money and the fact that you really could not afford to own a dog. The meds for this pup was $43 not $650. You ran the vet bills up yourself, I didn't. So print some more slander. Unless you have complaints that have an UNFIT FOR SALE within the 14 day time frame they are NOT VALID and you know this but you continue to play the poor, poor victim. Send me the $300 discount I gave you on the dog and then I will send you the money for the meds. $43. and the $100 it cost for you to do the unnessary surgery for the belly button. The xrays were done to see if he swallowed something, not to confirm a belly ache. You didn't know if he swallowed something or not that is why you had the xrays done. So get real with yourself. I am not going to quit breeding or showing my dogs because they had a parasite or because I have you and your gang slandering me all over the place. A dog breeder friend of mine knows your husband's cousin and they have discussed you and I am told his part of the family doesn't have anything to do with you because you are and I quote " A LOON" Like I told you many times bring MY Dog back and I will refund your lousy $650. Unlike you I have a very busy life, I am not pathetic like you, I don't need to stalk people and bad mouth them to the world because my dog had a parasite. Your petty actions speak volumes about your life and character.

Oh and please tell the world that not only have I been INSPECTED by the Burlington County Health Dept., I also was inspected by THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY HEALTH DEPT. and neither Health Dept found anything wrong with my dogs. I was inspected in August 2007. And that the SPCA found nothing wrong with my dogs when they tresspassed on my property, (when I was not home and without a warrant) The only thing they could come up with was my GOAT needed a hoof trimmed (stop the presses, front page alert) and my three big dogs (that I rescued) needed bigger dog houses (but they already had dog houses made for their breed) I was issued a warning, but when asked in court why didn't they get a warrant, her answer was "We had no probable cause". Some world, anyone who owns animals has NO RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY.

Laurie I know its hard for you to understand anything I say but stop saying you received no Health Record. LOOK ON THE CONTRACT!!! It says SHOT RECORD right above where your husband signed his name, with the dates of wormings. THIS IS A HEALTH RECORD. Maybe your good neighbor can point it out to you.
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Ridiculous responses, but, what I expected

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 21, 2008
I will be posting my response soon, have no fear! These responses are outrageous, but, typical! If you read between the lines it's so completely obvious who is responding, just check out the times on the first three, for example, what a coincidence!!??

I will have an update by the end of the day with even more details, since Ms. Roberts wants to "go there".

I have complete, accurate and factual information!

Fergie, my Husband said come on over, we'd like to meet you!! What color is my house? What's the first thing you see when you walk in??? Oh, wait, you will probably say you've never been in my house..that doesn't make sense. I know there is no Fergie, it just proves my "alias" point once again.
Thanks!! More soon!!
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Ridiculous responses, but, what I expected

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 21, 2008
I will be posting my response soon, have no fear! These responses are outrageous, but, typical! If you read between the lines it's so completely obvious who is responding, just check out the times on the first three, for example, what a coincidence!!??

I will have an update by the end of the day with even more details, since Ms. Roberts wants to "go there".

I have complete, accurate and factual information!

Fergie, my Husband said come on over, we'd like to meet you!! What color is my house? What's the first thing you see when you walk in??? Oh, wait, you will probably say you've never been in my house..that doesn't make sense. I know there is no Fergie, it just proves my "alias" point once again.
Thanks!! More soon!!
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Ridiculous responses, but, what I expected

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 21, 2008
I will be posting my response soon, have no fear! These responses are outrageous, but, typical! If you read between the lines it's so completely obvious who is responding, just check out the times on the first three, for example, what a coincidence!!??

I will have an update by the end of the day with even more details, since Ms. Roberts wants to "go there".

I have complete, accurate and factual information!

Fergie, my Husband said come on over, we'd like to meet you!! What color is my house? What's the first thing you see when you walk in??? Oh, wait, you will probably say you've never been in my house..that doesn't make sense. I know there is no Fergie, it just proves my "alias" point once again.
Thanks!! More soon!!
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#6 Consumer Comment

Neighbor has gone to FAR (((

AUTHOR: Fergie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 21, 2008
I am a neighbor of Laurie ****. Even though we are "friends" I feel what she is doing to this poor woman is beyond revenge. I saw the pup when she first got him and outside of being alittle shy he was fine. Laurie is obsessed with revenge because the pup cost her more money than she thought with shots, vet care etc. It's all she talks about, what she is going to do next to this woman. She has called every agency that will pay attention to her. I never saw this pup sick, he was alittle under the weather when he got a bunch of boosters shots but never looked or acted like he was on death's doorstep, far from it. This poor woman is the victim of slander and of hate. I am sure she did not give the pup the parasites, and I am sure she didn't know the pup still had them when she sold him. Like I said the pup looked fine. Without Laurie knowing, I went to Donna Roberts house and saw for myself after Xmas. I saw 4 pups, all were beautiful and Ms. Roberts was pleasant. The house was being done over but it was clean and did not even smell of dogs. After seeing what my "friend" can do to someone I have cooled our friendship, I don't trust her anymore and she is just not a nice person to do that to another human being for no reason. It's not only Ms. Roberts she is hurting but her entire family and friends are being dragged into it and for what, because Laurie can't take responsibility for what is now HER PUPPY. Fergie, Burlington, NJ
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Corrections of Laurie Pallante Lies

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, February 21, 2008
1. I do not use any aliases The list of names she has are my family and my friends and some she made up. My maiden name was Anderson and I have been married three times. So if you want to count those names I have had 4 legal names.
2. My phone no. has not changed it is (((ROR redacted))) I have had that phone no. for over a year. And my former phone no I had for 20 years at Howell, NJ
3. I have lived at my address in Howell for over 20 years and my daughter has the house in Shamong which we purchased a year ago.
4. I do not have any other place of business and do not have other "people" sell my pups.
5. Dr. Horn can verify that this pup was not sick when she examined the pup 10 days after they purchased it. If this pup was SO SICK AND DYING why did they wait 10 days to take it to the vet. Can you follow what I am getting at. WHY did they buy it if they thought it was sick? No one had a gun to their heads or made them come to my house to buy a puppy. No one FOOLED them, I am honest and up front. If you come to my house and you don't like my pups or me don't buy, please. And I am not being Cocky I am being honest. Laurie is a DRAMA QUEEN and she is just loving the attention she is getting by making herself out to be the poor victim.
6. The money from that pup did not pay any tax bill. Who pays taxes in July. Where she came up with that statement is beyond me but it goes hand and hand with her Memory. I told her I was going to Florida for three weeks but she swears I never told her that. The other lady that was here to buy a pup at the same time heard me.
The money from her pup was spent on dog food, neutering two females that were retired and given away to seniors for free (that is what I do with my retired breeding stock) and $176.34 was spent on a cat that we found on rt 206 that had been hit by a car.
7. When this pup was sold he was fine, had no health issues except for the belly button, which Dr. Horn told them it more than likely would go away on its own but the Pallante's couldn't accept that, they had the dog put under and put him through surgery for basically nothing. NOTE: this pup was 5 months old when sold, not a 8 week old pup. MY VET and Dr. Horn said the surgery was not needed.
8. As far as me ignoring her, GUILTY as charged. I got tired of the harassment of her letters, her phone calls and her threats. I told her send me the vet bills and the unfit for purchase within the 14 day time frame as allowed by law and I would take care of it. I will not pay for boosters, can dog food, xrays to see if the dog swallowed something etc. This is their responsibility not mine.
9. As far as other people who supposely bought "SICK" dogs, none of the four people involved with the SPCA thing had an unfit issued to them within the 14 day guarantee period. NONE OF THEM!!! They all went back to their vets after they jumped on the REVENGE BANDWAGON and forced the vets to write UNFITS. Except for the one woman who's dog had an mild yeast infection of one ear, Both vets refused to write her an UNFIT.
10 Last but not least, I an only invite you to come visit me and my dogs and make up your own minds. I cannot control this pack of HATE MONGERS nor can I control their friends and such from making up more lies. Anyone can say they bought a dog from me and make up all kinds of things.

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#4 Consumer Comment

I Have a VALENTINE PUPPY

AUTHOR: Walter, Esq. - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 20, 2008
I am a Lawyer that bought one of Ms. Roberts' Valentine puppies. This pup is the best dog I have ever owned and I plan on buying another one for my sister when her old dog passes. I didn't have any problems with my pup. She housebroke within two weeks and is so smart. I take her to my office and she greets the clients and has everyone's heart. When I went to buy the pup Ms. Roberts was very helpful, her house and yard were clean and her dogs beautiful. I have sent many clients to Donna and they are very happy with their pups. This woman is just on a mission to destroy Donna Roberts and has inlisted these other people to help her. If you don't check it out with your own eyes don't believe this person. She is on a witch-hunt that may very well end up biting her in the end. If you are looking for a well bred pup check her pups out, see for yourself.

Walter
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#3 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Pallante "REVENGE"

AUTHOR: Donna Roberts - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 20, 2008
I am Donna Roberts, I have bred dogs for 40 years, have 6 champions to my credit, have been a dog groomer for 35 years, and worked for a vet for 7 years. Laurie and Louis Pallante came to my house to buy a Havanese puppy. they picked out an older pup that was $950 but they said they could not afford that so knowing the pup had a tiny outie bellybutton I knocked $300 off the price and sold the AKC pup for $650.

I left 4 days later for Florida for 3 weeks. They had the pup for 10 days when they took it to Bryan Animal Hospital 609-267-0296 in Mount Holly. Dr. Diane Horn examined the pup and yes it had cocci and guardia caused by undo stress of the move and possible trauma at his new home. Dr. Horn told the Pallante's that the pup would be fine and gave them meds. The pup is taken back to the vet 6 days later with an upset tummy, again what caused it I do not know, I know it was not the parasites because he was treated for that but they took XRAYS to see if he SWALLOWED something and had a blockage. (thats my fault,I guess, I couldn't be there to watch him) 3 days later, well after the 14 days of the pups Health Guarantee the Pallante's forced Dr. Caroline Slavin (Dr. Horn's partner) to write an UNFIT FOR PURCHASE.

During this time Laurie Pallantee calls everyone and everything she can to seek revenge on me because the pup had parasites. After 40 years of breeding dogs I have never seen such people, filled with hate. I have sold many pups after this that have had no problems at all and this woman is still slandering me all over the place. According to NJ CONSUMER AFFAIRS the pup must be found "UNFIT FOR PURCHASE" within the 14 day period or the Breeder is not responsible. Even if the pup was found "UNFIT" my duty to this person would only be the amount of the medicine to treat the problem. This woman wants me to pay for the booster shots and flea/heartworm prevention products, that is not my reasonsiblity.

After writing over 8 letters back and forth to CONSUMER AFFAIRS I sent a check for the meds that totaled $43.00 and she sends it back, stating its not enough. She already got a $300 discount and she wants me to pay her back for the pup, I guess she would like me to pay for her gas too.

Now I know why other breeders sell to pet shops. But I have to say in the 40 years I have been breeding MY OWN DOGS I have meet wonderful people and still keep in touch with them. I have sold my pups to vets (Dr. Jewell in Freehold), to JUDGES (Judge G. in Toms River) and to many lawyers and have never had a problem. I have more to say on donnarobertshavanese.com. The Pallante's recieved their AKC papers within the 120 day time frame as allowed by NJ CONSUMER LAWS and the laws are right in my Contract of Sale, in black and white, I did everything I was supposed to do except jump through hoops and give them a free dog. Donna Roberts (((ROR redacted))) As far as the SPCA, Hundreds of Breeders are guilty of animal abuse if abuse is a pup having a parasite, yet why is it I am the only one in NJ HISTORY to get a ticket for it. For that matter everyone who owns a pet is guilty because at one time or another your pet will have a parasite (worms, fleas, guardia, cocci, heartworm) so why aren't the vet's, dog groomers and trainers out there turning these people in for these contaigous parasites. I know why because its RIDICULOUS!

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Phone numbers and business names may change!!

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, February 19, 2008
The following are the phone numbers used by Shady Oak Havanese, at different times and on different web sites. Havana Breeze on Breeders.net uses the identical number as Shady Oak's previous ads. The numbers and names may change, and they have several times, but, the fact remains..it's all the same.

The numbers are:
845-857-8277
609-388-4489
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UPDATE

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, February 18, 2008
We paid $650 for our puppy and our Vet bills equal that amount. Others paid $950 and up for their puppies and have Vet bills in the hundreds up to one thousand dollars that still has not been reimbursed as required by NJ law.
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