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Thank you.

Thank you for your well thought, and passionate reply. 

First of all Sir, obviously you didn't read the guidelines for rebuttal, DO NOT write your report all in one paragraph. Use 2 or 3 sentences to each paragraph and leave a space between each paragraph. Well right away you have defined yourself as someone that believes that they don't have to go by the rules.

You state in your rebuttal that the very first thing I mentioned was that the rate increases every year. And that part about the rate increase is absolutly true. However, you failed to notice that the very first thing I mentioned was: 

that there are several solar power companies, both local and national, that are misleading consumers.

You immediately single out Solar City and jump right in defending the rate increase. There is no guarantee that Solar City will always be less than the utility companies. You state in your rebuttal that sometimes the utility companies increase rates double or even triple year to year. Where is your proof of that? Regarless of whether the utility rate increases year to year there are no documented cases of utility companies doubling or tripling their rates, ever! Talk about being uneduacated in the process of solar, you obviously favor a onesided view when it comes to Solar City. Do you have a vested interest in the company? What I know about solar is that it can be a good choice. But if the main benefactor is the solar power provider, how does it benefit the consumer?

I purposely singled out Solar City in my report because I was lied to. The salesman maintained that I would save 25 to 30 % off of my bill. But the 2.5 cents per kilowatt hour presented to me fell short of this teaser rate. When I did the math on the potential savings, I would only save about 15% which is not close enough to what the salesman lead me to believe. Also, I am pleased that Solar City is costing themselves money on permits when consumers delve into the contract and find out that there is a lack of savings promised. 

It seems to me that you are defending Solar City because you are personally connected with the company.

As far as the lien is concerned, you are correct Sir. It's actually called a UCC-1 fixture filing. In order for the consumer to remove the UCC-1, they must satisfy the contract. When the home is sold, the buyer could refuse toaccept the terms of the contract. If the seller is stuck with a contract that nobody wants, then they must payoff the contract to remove the fixture filing. So call it what you want, it is not good for the consumer. 

Why don't you (Solar City) concentrate on customer service and actually doing the right thing. By lying to consumers, all your doing is making the solar industry look bad. There are numerous consumer complaints against Solar City. They all point to the deceptive business practices which will prove to be Solar City's downfall. If an educated consumer wants to save money with solar, they will actually do much better in the long run to purchase a system in the near future as material costs are coming down. 

And how do you defend the fact that the documentation, Solar City asked me to Docusign (tm) was a complete lie. They wanted me to sign a document that stated my system was already installed, passed all inspections and was ready for connection to utility? Well at the time the phone agent was insisting that I sign the agreement that was not true. I will not lie for Solar city so they can profit from deception.

Good luck in your pursuit of the truth and know this: the actual truth will set you free. Come clean and free your mind of the guilt you must be dealing with. In the long run, the actual truth will catch up to you. Peace be with you Sir. I hope you come to terms with your delusion.

Sincerely, Bozo, AKA Electricman  Woodbine, Md

 Let's be straight forward and use common sense and think logically for a moment. Electricman obviously is uneducated on the process of solar. So let's direct his comments one at a time. The very first thing he mentioned is that the rate increases every year. The rate increase at least with solar city is guaranteed not to increase by more than 2.9% per year. If you look at past increases in your utility over the past twenty years you will see a significant increase sometimes double or even triple from year to year. So not sure how that is a bad thing for the consumer at 2.9%. Next is the 20 year agreement. This is a no Brainer. Obviously the solar companies are investing all the money in every part of a new solar system why wouldn't there be an agreement. And if customers want to help the environment and commit to a20 year program to save themselves money. Again a no Brainer. And how long of a commitment or agreement do you have with your utility companies. Well it's infinite as long as you want power. Now onto the subject of tax credits. Why would a tax credit go to the consumer if the company is investing all the money. Duh. Customers do have the option to buy the solar system if they have that kind of capital laying around. That is $20,000 to $80,000 and sometimes even more depending on the application. Then yes you would get the tax credit but it's only 30%of the original cost. Long term it is more beneficial for the customer to buy the system. However who wants to spend that money out of pocket. And as far as getting your own loan to pay it off, who the hell wants to go into more debt. Another no Brainer. The PPA option does not put a customer in debt at all. It just helps them save money. And over aperiod of 20 years most customers save anywhere from $10000 to well over $50000 in some cases. But yeah i guess that's considered a rip off to the consumer. So solar city has found a way to save customers money without spending a dime out of pocket. Not to mention the only home improvement project where a consumer can spend $0.00 out of pocket and get a 10%-20% increase in value of their home regardless whether they purchase or do a PPA. And as far as putting a lien on your home solar city does not. If you sell your home solar city guarantees the buyer will qualify to assume the agreement. And they have a 100% success rate in transferring agreement to the buyer of all their customers. And what person in their right mind wouldn't want the agreement if you told them if you remove the solar panels your electricity bill will go up 30%-70% depending how efficient the system is. And the value of the home will decrease significantly. The only reason a customer would have an issue is the aesthetics. In which case they wouldn't be looking at the home in the first place. If you didn't want a pool you probably wouldn't look at a house that has a pool. And as far as nitpicking about permits which solar city pays for, why wouldn't they get permits ready. Even if the customer is undecided they can still get a jump on it. The utility companies are the ones who make the process take longer. If the customer decides not to get a solar system they can cancel all the way up to installation and have no penalties at all. So solar city is taking all the risk. And just to be clear the only way solar city can pull permits for a customer is if they agree to the terms and submit to a site survey. No agreement, no permit. So electricman is giving false info somewhere along the line. So again uneducated people trash talking a company that is actually making a difference, taking all of the risk, and saving people tons of money. And by the way this is only the beginning of the solar industry. I can almost guarantee somewhere down the road electricman will swallow his pride after seeing the money he could've saved over years of having solar. His loss. Anyway you look at it, it is a win win for the consumer. Whether they buy the system or not. And by the way there is actually an upcoming meeting of about 100 Realtors in attendance to educate them on solar because of the popularity of it so they can more easily sell consumers homes. And guess what. It is by their request. So if anyone would like to save money, without spending it, increase the value of their home, help the environment, and make a little money too, talk to a solar city rep and get educated. This bozo has no idea what he is talking about.