Steve Waters - Mark Hanson - World Wide Training - Intelligence Center ripoff scam cowboy palys on victims no morals and low life Seattle Washington

I have just been scammed by him too, but PayPal are telling me that I cannot dispute a claim with them because it is an intangible product. I have filed a report also with the site, but I wanted to talk to you as you have managed to secure your refund.

Alison

Even though I have already written my report I wanted to reinforce what a loser this guy is and also ask a question to everyone he has scammed. Why hasn't he been put out of business and arrested? I can't understand why he is still operating! We must stop this low life from continuing his operations. I have still not received my refund that I have asked him for twice, but I am about to go further to get it. Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks!

Here is the proof that I was telling the truth and you can get refunds from 2CO.com - no matter, what Mr Water's
himself via email on Saturday 28/01/06 - states printed above.


Though I must add - it took nearly 2 hours on the telephone and 7 attempts of speaking to someone at 2CO.com tonight, they did as they promised they would.

I was "so far" able to receive the full amount I paid initially which was $395.00 and $295 to become a General - Elite may I add lol - yeah right - one of the special seven out of thousand's.

And 3 months refund of the web hosting service paid for via 2C0.com. If I can manage to do all in this in 48 hours - so can others. I would want to say at this point to you Mr Waters, if you are reading this, not only am I angry with you for what you have done to all, but I feel badly let down by you,
as I really did trust you and you made us all jump through hoops, to get ripped off - ie: "don't forget this call you are making to Steve Waters is very important" - like hell it was - that call was just to prove to you that we were the desperate ones, as you know full well, others would have click delete at that point - so you did not want to waste your time on trying the hard market - you went for us soft ones, you obviously only followed up the "good" ones, as we were sitting prey.

I also feel that I have lost a friend in America I thought I had - I feel guilty for those that may have joined
you via my site/links and in the end I feel sorry for you too - that you have no doubt become wealthy but at the expense of others - at least I do not have to resort to your tactics, but hey many thanks for my money back, cheers mate ;-)) EXCELLENT Job - as you would say.

**************************************************************
See below adapted correspondence recvd tonight confirming the refunds from 2CO.com.

REFUND ONE

A refund against the following order for Internet Intelligence Center was processed.

Order Number: 13766-R525******
Credit Amount: $90

2CheckOut.com and Internet Intelligence Center


REFUND TWO
This is a copy of an email sent to the merchant,
if this issue has not been resolved in 2 business days
or is not being resolved please feel free to
contact us
======================

Dear Steve,

The customer *************** has contacted 2Checkout.com with a
complaint (details below). Please review this information
and take corrective action by as soon as possible. You can cancel
any order from the Merchant Admin Area.

Complaint Details: ($395.00 has been refunded)

This order has been canceled at customer request due to lack of communication from the vendor. Please allow 5-7 business days for the credit to appear on your statement.

REFUND THREE
======================
This is a copy of an email sent to the merchant,
if this issue has not been resolved in 2 business days
or is not being resolved please feel free to
contact us
======================

Dear Steve,

The customer ************* has contacted 2Checkout.com with a
complaint (details below). Please review this information
and take corrective action by as soon as possible. You can cancel
any order from the Merchant Admin Area.

Complaint Details: ($295.00 has been refunded)

This order has been canceled at customer request due to lack of communication from the vendor. Please allow 5-7 business days for the credit to appear on your statement.

Order Details:
13766 -******3379
^^^^^^^*****^^^^^^

Thank you ripoffreport.com for allowing me the chance to vent my anger - the opportunity to show others that they can get their money back - and for being brave enough to show the full nitty gritty details for all to see.....

Anyone that wishes to communicate with me, please contact the EDitor and they will forward your details onto me - as this is my last correspondence here - for now anyway - so may I wish you all well and Good Luck and if I can do it, so can you - no matter who they are, they can not get away with ripping you/us the consumers off - just because they have got away with it for years - does not mean - they can or should be allowed to continue to do so for years to come.

May love and light guide you (even you SW) through 2006 and beyond)

Subject: Fw: Me v- World Intelligence Center

Dear 2Co.com ( staff member name changed)

I attach below an email I receive tonight from 'Steve Waters' and he clearly states that he has not intention of giving me a refund - sorry but I had to reply _ I could not have an email from this person without having my say.

Anyhow, just so you know, I have also 'cut and paste the email that I sent to him last night, that he classes as threatening - I would have thought from a personal perspective that him saying I had made a bad move, was more threatening by the receiver then anything I said to him.

Anyhow, I now feel that he no longer needs the 48 hrs as he has answered he has no intention of refunding me the money and I intend to progress with my chosen course of action outlined in my reply to him. I would really appreciate it, if he could stop Emailing me, as I have no intention of ever Emailing him again, as I have far better things to do with my time.

Please get back to me with your next course of action as soon as you can - I did warn you that he was the sort to threaten those that stood up to him, and true to form, he did.

Many thanks and I am very grateful for all of your help in this matter and I am very sorry that he has used 2CO.com to his advantage and not others. But I am sure you will hear much more about him, when others follow my advice to reclaim their money.

Yours sincerely,
********************

Dear Steve, or should I call you Mark Hanson, from Seattle, Washington?

I myself have had my suspicions for a while that your site was not it cracked out to be, but my husband, god bless, really believed in you and it was me, that started it all.

I became suspicious when You asked to write a letter in reply to one you refer to as ART - you say in that letter, that he had been with you for two months and that you had just paid him out.

I have been with you for 4 months and have paid nearly 800.00 - that you knew full well, was coming from my benefits as I am unemployed and classed as disabled.

You have sent numerous emails promising money and have failed to answer numerous ones from me, asking when I would get some!

I have seen your threatening letters that you send to people saying you will sue them and claim their assets, well that is fine by me, as when you sue me, we will attend court with our legal barristers, that we do not have to pay for in this country and we will also attend with the media - I am not scared in being sued as you see, I have legal knowledge and contacts within the police of this country ( under who's laws we are governed by) and I know that we are in good standing - by the way, just want to let you know that one of the sonic files, that you processed was to the most top legal company in Germany and you just spammed them - I know sonic deletes after a few days - but not when it is saved to disk with all your emails sent promising money - and all my requests for the same.....I have blocked all your addresses now and I am about to close down this email address - that is before I go to check2com and claim an act of fraud or failing that go direct to my card company - of course, we also have found out who hosts the websites and we will be writing to them too - as well as modifying our site - which we have changed the password on - of course - but I will still follow your intructions. And ensure that I still send as many as 6,000 a day to my site, which I own and my ffa page, which was reaching 450 a day and refer them all to ripreports.com.

Fortunately I was clever enough to save all the sonic programs and files to disk - and can therefore with my own mass emailer re-write to everyone and apologise and ask them to cancel their accounts and to check out the various websites called ripoff.com etc, where others have written about you too. I know I am a mere fish in the sea to you right now - but as was shown recently whales have a knack of turning up when least expected in this country - but fortunately I am clever enough to survive and not stupid enough to let you get away with this any longer....as you well know I have signed up for a lot of traffic sites and was really doing well in promoting you - I will do the same again - but this time to my site, with my words and not yours.

Best wishes

-------Original Message-------

From:email addresses removed as per ripoffreport policy
Subject: Your Account is Closed and Will No Longer Bill

Recvd from SW last night after he had recvd an email from 2checkout.com - note he claims to have helped me - yeah right in emptying my bank account into his. As regards the time he has spent working with me - get real - all of his emails are the same as is proven if you read the ones way back on this site since 2002 - he has got away with this for over 4 years...how much has he really took from us all? What about the hundreds of hours my husband and I put into this program, we were reaching 6,000 hits a day to our website - they did not come from him - they came from us - also we specially built a computer to run SONIC which he provided us with that cost us over 200 pounds, but it is proving useful right now :-))

"Your Account with us is Closed and Will No Longer be Billed! There is No Refund available to You. You ordered on OVER 4 Months ago and have taken a LOT of my time...HELPING YOU...During that time! I have Helped You a Lot..and YOU come back with a Threatening email. Sickening! Anyway, Your card will no longer be billed and your hosting account is closed as per Your request. Good luck to you. Too bad some "idiots" got You off Track!! You should Read http://www.understandingidiots.com and see the Trap you allowed yourself to fall into! Good luck to you.


Sincerely,

Steve Waters ( what no smile :-( )

P.S. So *YOU* Know, Mark is Our Accountant. Just because some mixed up idiot says otherwise because he Failed and blamed everyone else around him...JUST LIKE It says in the site link above! We have Over 100 people who work for me. Am I all of them too? You should not believe idiots that failed themselves. Bad Move you made. Good luck to you!"
*************************

My reply to the above :-))
-------Original Message-------

From: email addresses removed as per ripoffreport policy

Subject: Even More Important Message....I understand you, but I am not listening to you anymore

Steve,

I Just want to inform you, that yes I am an idiot, as I mistook you as genuine and stayed with you for four months - how can you say I failed when your emails kept telling me I was doing a great Job? (Please do not answer) I am too busy devising my own 17 steps to publish on ripoffreports.com to be bothered with you right now) anyhow, moving on.....as regards your refund, obviously 2checkout.com must have got it wrong today when they told me that they would ask you for a refund and if you failed to provide the same within 48 hours (which runs out on Monday at 18.06 hrs GMT) they will give me all of my money back and will take action against you.

That is not mentioning of course the emails that will be sent as part of my NEW and IMPROVED FOOL Proof 17 steps - that are soon to be published - that will ensure, a lot more of us idiots all get our money back, when they follow the advice I give them, as you see, I am genuine, sincere, truthful peron, that likes to help others and not a con artist.

Anyhow....if you want any further updates of my next move, please mark ripoffreports.com on your favourites - Bad move you made in sending me to your understanding an idiot site, as I understand you more now and also - I do not walk down loser avenue, I am high on the adrenaline created by bringing you to justice that will include the likes of CNN and Internet Crime Complaint Center - please do not take this as a threat - it is a fact.

Strange that complaints are mounting against you and not strange that others say the same as I do, and even stranger that you have some misconcept idea that your 1000 happy people are real - when part of your 17 steps - that you tell us to complete before we can earn money consists of sending you a 'happy testimonal' that you add to this list - you see.... I did tell the representative from 2checkout.com to check out ripoffreport.com site and that you threatened perople like I that stood up to you.

Good Luck my friend, as you will need it and not I, again, not a threat, a fact.

;-)))


Please note this is a copy email sent to SW by "checkoutcom' with some items deleted as per ripoffreport policy - that shows he is lying when he says I can not have a refund, as they have told him that if he does not refund me, they will.

All credit to 2Co.com - they have been superb in dealing with this matter and I can only prise them for their fast acting and no nonsense approach to this matter. Also my praise to ripoffreport.com - in fact I am thinking if they will allow me - diverting all my traffic to this site and it will save me the hassle :-)

The deadline runs out for my refund in less then 24 hours - please check back tomorrow for an update....in the meantime, take care :-)) keep smiling as it takes less muscles


"This is a copy of an email sent to the merchant,
if this issue has not been resolved in 2 business days
or is not being resolved please feel free to
contact us
======================

Dear Steve,

The customer Name changed has contacted 2Checkout.com with a
complaint (details below). Please review this information
and take corrective action by as soon as possible. You can cancel
any order from the Merchant Admin Area.

Complaint Details:

Customer is wanting a full refund for not only this order but the other order which the order number is *********. She states that you have not provided her with any type of service and have been taken her money. Please respond to this email to me as well as the customer. Failure to respond will result in the refund being issued by 2co.com"

*********************

This was my last email that I sent to SW - late last night

"Please do not send any more emails to this account or any others associate with ****** or her family - as this will result in the matter being formally reported to the Police as threatening and intimidating and any action considered viable will be taken against the sender, organisation or any employees working or associated with the world wide training center and any other organisation associate with the same.

All correspondence should be sent by mail to the address that you may hold on file and will be addressed and handed to our legal representation accordingly.

Your co-operation in this matter will be appreciated and this email has been forward to 2CO.com for their records.

From this point, I hold the right to any items or articles that I publish and they will remain my property along with the hosting name of (website details removed as per ripoffreports.com policy) - any referrals to this site and any items contained on this site will be owned by I, the author and will be deemed as copyright, from this moment onwards


Final note for today:

As you can clearly see - he says I can not have a refund - 2 checkout.com say that I can and if he does not pay it, they will.

So, don't take my word for it, or his, go to your payment provider asap and ask them to look at this great wonderful site and check that others are refunding the money and taking this seriously and so should they - otherwise they may just end up on here like Steve Waters and many, many others.

Also ensure that you send a copy of my email to him above, to stop him threatening you or intimidating you in any way or form - as per his personality trait - one would hope that he is not foolish enough to think he can get away with this or anything else he is planning - as I am sure the FBI will already be interested him in shortly along with other agencies - so any stupid act would render him to more serious charges as he may currently already face.

Subject: Fw: Me v- World Intelligence Center

Dear 2Co.com ( staff member name changed)

I attach below an email I receive tonight from 'Steve Waters' and he clearly states that he has not intention of giving me a refund - sorry but I had to reply _ I could not have an email from this person without having my say.

Anyhow, just so you know, I have also 'cut and paste the email that I sent to him last night, that he classes as threatening - I would have thought from a personal perspective that him saying I had made a bad move, was more threatening by the receiver then anything I said to him.

Anyhow, I now feel that he no longer needs the 48 hrs as he has answered he has no intention of refunding me the money and I intend to progress with my chosen course of action outlined in my reply to him. I would really appreciate it, if he could stop Emailing me, as I have no intention of ever Emailing him again, as I have far better things to do with my time.

Please get back to me with your next course of action as soon as you can - I did warn you that he was the sort to threaten those that stood up to him, and true to form, he did.

Many thanks and I am very grateful for all of your help in this matter and I am very sorry that he has used 2CO.com to his advantage and not others. But I am sure you will hear much more about him, when others follow my advice to reclaim their money.

Yours sincerely,
********************

Dear Steve, or should I call you Mark Hanson, from Seattle, Washington?

I myself have had my suspicions for a while that your site was not it cracked out to be, but my husband, god bless, really believed in you and it was me, that started it all.

I became suspicious when You asked to write a letter in reply to one you refer to as ART - you say in that letter, that he had been with you for two months and that you had just paid him out.

I have been with you for 4 months and have paid nearly 800.00 - that you knew full well, was coming from my benefits as I am unemployed and classed as disabled.

You have sent numerous emails promising money and have failed to answer numerous ones from me, asking when I would get some!

I have seen your threatening letters that you send to people saying you will sue them and claim their assets, well that is fine by me, as when you sue me, we will attend court with our legal barristers, that we do not have to pay for in this country and we will also attend with the media - I am not scared in being sued as you see, I have legal knowledge and contacts within the police of this country ( under who's laws we are governed by) and I know that we are in good standing - by the way, just want to let you know that one of the sonic files, that you processed was to the most top legal company in Germany and you just spammed them - I know sonic deletes after a few days - but not when it is saved to disk with all your emails sent promising money - and all my requests for the same.....I have blocked all your addresses now and I am about to close down this email address - that is before I go to check2com and claim an act of fraud or failing that go direct to my card company - of course, we also have found out who hosts the websites and we will be writing to them too - as well as modifying our site - which we have changed the password on - of course - but I will still follow your intructions. And ensure that I still send as many as 6,000 a day to my site, which I own and my ffa page, which was reaching 450 a day and refer them all to ripreports.com.

Fortunately I was clever enough to save all the sonic programs and files to disk - and can therefore with my own mass emailer re-write to everyone and apologise and ask them to cancel their accounts and to check out the various websites called ripoff.com etc, where others have written about you too. I know I am a mere fish in the sea to you right now - but as was shown recently whales have a knack of turning up when least expected in this country - but fortunately I am clever enough to survive and not stupid enough to let you get away with this any longer....as you well know I have signed up for a lot of traffic sites and was really doing well in promoting you - I will do the same again - but this time to my site, with my words and not yours.

Best wishes

-------Original Message-------

From:email addresses removed as per ripoffreport policy
Subject: Your Account is Closed and Will No Longer Bill

Recvd from SW last night after he had recvd an email from 2checkout.com - note he claims to have helped me - yeah right in emptying my bank account into his. As regards the time he has spent working with me - get real - all of his emails are the same as is proven if you read the ones way back on this site since 2002 - he has got away with this for over 4 years...how much has he really took from us all? What about the hundreds of hours my husband and I put into this program, we were reaching 6,000 hits a day to our website - they did not come from him - they came from us - also we specially built a computer to run SONIC which he provided us with that cost us over 200 pounds, but it is proving useful right now :-))

"Your Account with us is Closed and Will No Longer be Billed! There is No Refund available to You. You ordered on OVER 4 Months ago and have taken a LOT of my time...HELPING YOU...During that time! I have Helped You a Lot..and YOU come back with a Threatening email. Sickening! Anyway, Your card will no longer be billed and your hosting account is closed as per Your request. Good luck to you. Too bad some "idiots" got You off Track!! You should Read http://www.understandingidiots.com and see the Trap you allowed yourself to fall into! Good luck to you.


Sincerely,

Steve Waters ( what no smile :-( )

P.S. So *YOU* Know, Mark is Our Accountant. Just because some mixed up idiot says otherwise because he Failed and blamed everyone else around him...JUST LIKE It says in the site link above! We have Over 100 people who work for me. Am I all of them too? You should not believe idiots that failed themselves. Bad Move you made. Good luck to you!"
*************************

My reply to the above :-))
-------Original Message-------

From: email addresses removed as per ripoffreport policy

Subject: Even More Important Message....I understand you, but I am not listening to you anymore

Steve,

I Just want to inform you, that yes I am an idiot, as I mistook you as genuine and stayed with you for four months - how can you say I failed when your emails kept telling me I was doing a great Job? (Please do not answer) I am too busy devising my own 17 steps to publish on ripoffreports.com to be bothered with you right now) anyhow, moving on.....as regards your refund, obviously 2checkout.com must have got it wrong today when they told me that they would ask you for a refund and if you failed to provide the same within 48 hours (which runs out on Monday at 18.06 hrs GMT) they will give me all of my money back and will take action against you.

That is not mentioning of course the emails that will be sent as part of my NEW and IMPROVED FOOL Proof 17 steps - that are soon to be published - that will ensure, a lot more of us idiots all get our money back, when they follow the advice I give them, as you see, I am genuine, sincere, truthful peron, that likes to help others and not a con artist.

Anyhow....if you want any further updates of my next move, please mark ripoffreports.com on your favourites - Bad move you made in sending me to your understanding an idiot site, as I understand you more now and also - I do not walk down loser avenue, I am high on the adrenaline created by bringing you to justice that will include the likes of CNN and Internet Crime Complaint Center - please do not take this as a threat - it is a fact.

Strange that complaints are mounting against you and not strange that others say the same as I do, and even stranger that you have some misconcept idea that your 1000 happy people are real - when part of your 17 steps - that you tell us to complete before we can earn money consists of sending you a 'happy testimonal' that you add to this list - you see.... I did tell the representative from 2checkout.com to check out ripoffreport.com site and that you threatened perople like I that stood up to you.

Good Luck my friend, as you will need it and not I, again, not a threat, a fact.

;-)))


Please note this is a copy email sent to SW by "checkoutcom' with some items deleted as per ripoffreport policy - that shows he is lying when he says I can not have a refund, as they have told him that if he does not refund me, they will.

All credit to 2Co.com - they have been superb in dealing with this matter and I can only prise them for their fast acting and no nonsense approach to this matter. Also my praise to ripoffreport.com - in fact I am thinking if they will allow me - diverting all my traffic to this site and it will save me the hassle :-)

The deadline runs out for my refund in less then 24 hours - please check back tomorrow for an update....in the meantime, take care :-)) keep smiling as it takes less muscles


"This is a copy of an email sent to the merchant,
if this issue has not been resolved in 2 business days
or is not being resolved please feel free to
contact us
======================

Dear Steve,

The customer Name changed has contacted 2Checkout.com with a
complaint (details below). Please review this information
and take corrective action by as soon as possible. You can cancel
any order from the Merchant Admin Area.

Complaint Details:

Customer is wanting a full refund for not only this order but the other order which the order number is *********. She states that you have not provided her with any type of service and have been taken her money. Please respond to this email to me as well as the customer. Failure to respond will result in the refund being issued by 2co.com"

*********************

This was my last email that I sent to SW - late last night

"Please do not send any more emails to this account or any others associate with ****** or her family - as this will result in the matter being formally reported to the Police as threatening and intimidating and any action considered viable will be taken against the sender, organisation or any employees working or associated with the world wide training center and any other organisation associate with the same.

All correspondence should be sent by mail to the address that you may hold on file and will be addressed and handed to our legal representation accordingly.

Your co-operation in this matter will be appreciated and this email has been forward to 2CO.com for their records.

From this point, I hold the right to any items or articles that I publish and they will remain my property along with the hosting name of (website details removed as per ripoffreports.com policy) - any referrals to this site and any items contained on this site will be owned by I, the author and will be deemed as copyright, from this moment onwards


Final note for today:

As you can clearly see - he says I can not have a refund - 2 checkout.com say that I can and if he does not pay it, they will.

So, don't take my word for it, or his, go to your payment provider asap and ask them to look at this great wonderful site and check that others are refunding the money and taking this seriously and so should they - otherwise they may just end up on here like Steve Waters and many, many others.

Also ensure that you send a copy of my email to him above, to stop him threatening you or intimidating you in any way or form - as per his personality trait - one would hope that he is not foolish enough to think he can get away with this or anything else he is planning - as I am sure the FBI will already be interested him in shortly along with other agencies - so any stupid act would render him to more serious charges as he may currently already face.

Subject: Fw: Me v- World Intelligence Center

Dear 2Co.com ( staff member name changed)

I attach below an email I receive tonight from 'Steve Waters' and he clearly states that he has not intention of giving me a refund - sorry but I had to reply _ I could not have an email from this person without having my say.

Anyhow, just so you know, I have also 'cut and paste the email that I sent to him last night, that he classes as threatening - I would have thought from a personal perspective that him saying I had made a bad move, was more threatening by the receiver then anything I said to him.

Anyhow, I now feel that he no longer needs the 48 hrs as he has answered he has no intention of refunding me the money and I intend to progress with my chosen course of action outlined in my reply to him. I would really appreciate it, if he could stop Emailing me, as I have no intention of ever Emailing him again, as I have far better things to do with my time.

Please get back to me with your next course of action as soon as you can - I did warn you that he was the sort to threaten those that stood up to him, and true to form, he did.

Many thanks and I am very grateful for all of your help in this matter and I am very sorry that he has used 2CO.com to his advantage and not others. But I am sure you will hear much more about him, when others follow my advice to reclaim their money.

Yours sincerely,
********************

Dear Steve, or should I call you Mark Hanson, from Seattle, Washington?

I myself have had my suspicions for a while that your site was not it cracked out to be, but my husband, god bless, really believed in you and it was me, that started it all.

I became suspicious when You asked to write a letter in reply to one you refer to as ART - you say in that letter, that he had been with you for two months and that you had just paid him out.

I have been with you for 4 months and have paid nearly 800.00 - that you knew full well, was coming from my benefits as I am unemployed and classed as disabled.

You have sent numerous emails promising money and have failed to answer numerous ones from me, asking when I would get some!

I have seen your threatening letters that you send to people saying you will sue them and claim their assets, well that is fine by me, as when you sue me, we will attend court with our legal barristers, that we do not have to pay for in this country and we will also attend with the media - I am not scared in being sued as you see, I have legal knowledge and contacts within the police of this country ( under who's laws we are governed by) and I know that we are in good standing - by the way, just want to let you know that one of the sonic files, that you processed was to the most top legal company in Germany and you just spammed them - I know sonic deletes after a few days - but not when it is saved to disk with all your emails sent promising money - and all my requests for the same.....I have blocked all your addresses now and I am about to close down this email address - that is before I go to check2com and claim an act of fraud or failing that go direct to my card company - of course, we also have found out who hosts the websites and we will be writing to them too - as well as modifying our site - which we have changed the password on - of course - but I will still follow your intructions. And ensure that I still send as many as 6,000 a day to my site, which I own and my ffa page, which was reaching 450 a day and refer them all to ripreports.com.

Fortunately I was clever enough to save all the sonic programs and files to disk - and can therefore with my own mass emailer re-write to everyone and apologise and ask them to cancel their accounts and to check out the various websites called ripoff.com etc, where others have written about you too. I know I am a mere fish in the sea to you right now - but as was shown recently whales have a knack of turning up when least expected in this country - but fortunately I am clever enough to survive and not stupid enough to let you get away with this any longer....as you well know I have signed up for a lot of traffic sites and was really doing well in promoting you - I will do the same again - but this time to my site, with my words and not yours.

Best wishes

-------Original Message-------

From:email addresses removed as per ripoffreport policy
Subject: Your Account is Closed and Will No Longer Bill

Recvd from SW last night after he had recvd an email from 2checkout.com - note he claims to have helped me - yeah right in emptying my bank account into his. As regards the time he has spent working with me - get real - all of his emails are the same as is proven if you read the ones way back on this site since 2002 - he has got away with this for over 4 years...how much has he really took from us all? What about the hundreds of hours my husband and I put into this program, we were reaching 6,000 hits a day to our website - they did not come from him - they came from us - also we specially built a computer to run SONIC which he provided us with that cost us over 200 pounds, but it is proving useful right now :-))

"Your Account with us is Closed and Will No Longer be Billed! There is No Refund available to You. You ordered on OVER 4 Months ago and have taken a LOT of my time...HELPING YOU...During that time! I have Helped You a Lot..and YOU come back with a Threatening email. Sickening! Anyway, Your card will no longer be billed and your hosting account is closed as per Your request. Good luck to you. Too bad some "idiots" got You off Track!! You should Read http://www.understandingidiots.com and see the Trap you allowed yourself to fall into! Good luck to you.


Sincerely,

Steve Waters ( what no smile :-( )

P.S. So *YOU* Know, Mark is Our Accountant. Just because some mixed up idiot says otherwise because he Failed and blamed everyone else around him...JUST LIKE It says in the site link above! We have Over 100 people who work for me. Am I all of them too? You should not believe idiots that failed themselves. Bad Move you made. Good luck to you!"
*************************

My reply to the above :-))
-------Original Message-------

From: email addresses removed as per ripoffreport policy

Subject: Even More Important Message....I understand you, but I am not listening to you anymore

Steve,

I Just want to inform you, that yes I am an idiot, as I mistook you as genuine and stayed with you for four months - how can you say I failed when your emails kept telling me I was doing a great Job? (Please do not answer) I am too busy devising my own 17 steps to publish on ripoffreports.com to be bothered with you right now) anyhow, moving on.....as regards your refund, obviously 2checkout.com must have got it wrong today when they told me that they would ask you for a refund and if you failed to provide the same within 48 hours (which runs out on Monday at 18.06 hrs GMT) they will give me all of my money back and will take action against you.

That is not mentioning of course the emails that will be sent as part of my NEW and IMPROVED FOOL Proof 17 steps - that are soon to be published - that will ensure, a lot more of us idiots all get our money back, when they follow the advice I give them, as you see, I am genuine, sincere, truthful peron, that likes to help others and not a con artist.

Anyhow....if you want any further updates of my next move, please mark ripoffreports.com on your favourites - Bad move you made in sending me to your understanding an idiot site, as I understand you more now and also - I do not walk down loser avenue, I am high on the adrenaline created by bringing you to justice that will include the likes of CNN and Internet Crime Complaint Center - please do not take this as a threat - it is a fact.

Strange that complaints are mounting against you and not strange that others say the same as I do, and even stranger that you have some misconcept idea that your 1000 happy people are real - when part of your 17 steps - that you tell us to complete before we can earn money consists of sending you a 'happy testimonal' that you add to this list - you see.... I did tell the representative from 2checkout.com to check out ripoffreport.com site and that you threatened perople like I that stood up to you.

Good Luck my friend, as you will need it and not I, again, not a threat, a fact.

;-)))


Please note this is a copy email sent to SW by "checkoutcom' with some items deleted as per ripoffreport policy - that shows he is lying when he says I can not have a refund, as they have told him that if he does not refund me, they will.

All credit to 2Co.com - they have been superb in dealing with this matter and I can only prise them for their fast acting and no nonsense approach to this matter. Also my praise to ripoffreport.com - in fact I am thinking if they will allow me - diverting all my traffic to this site and it will save me the hassle :-)

The deadline runs out for my refund in less then 24 hours - please check back tomorrow for an update....in the meantime, take care :-)) keep smiling as it takes less muscles


"This is a copy of an email sent to the merchant,
if this issue has not been resolved in 2 business days
or is not being resolved please feel free to
contact us
======================

Dear Steve,

The customer Name changed has contacted 2Checkout.com with a
complaint (details below). Please review this information
and take corrective action by as soon as possible. You can cancel
any order from the Merchant Admin Area.

Complaint Details:

Customer is wanting a full refund for not only this order but the other order which the order number is *********. She states that you have not provided her with any type of service and have been taken her money. Please respond to this email to me as well as the customer. Failure to respond will result in the refund being issued by 2co.com"

*********************

This was my last email that I sent to SW - late last night

"Please do not send any more emails to this account or any others associate with ****** or her family - as this will result in the matter being formally reported to the Police as threatening and intimidating and any action considered viable will be taken against the sender, organisation or any employees working or associated with the world wide training center and any other organisation associate with the same.

All correspondence should be sent by mail to the address that you may hold on file and will be addressed and handed to our legal representation accordingly.

Your co-operation in this matter will be appreciated and this email has been forward to 2CO.com for their records.

From this point, I hold the right to any items or articles that I publish and they will remain my property along with the hosting name of (website details removed as per ripoffreports.com policy) - any referrals to this site and any items contained on this site will be owned by I, the author and will be deemed as copyright, from this moment onwards


Final note for today:

As you can clearly see - he says I can not have a refund - 2 checkout.com say that I can and if he does not pay it, they will.

So, don't take my word for it, or his, go to your payment provider asap and ask them to look at this great wonderful site and check that others are refunding the money and taking this seriously and so should they - otherwise they may just end up on here like Steve Waters and many, many others.

Also ensure that you send a copy of my email to him above, to stop him threatening you or intimidating you in any way or form - as per his personality trait - one would hope that he is not foolish enough to think he can get away with this or anything else he is planning - as I am sure the FBI will already be interested him in shortly along with other agencies - so any stupid act would render him to more serious charges as he may currently already face.

Subject: Fw: Me v- World Intelligence Center

Dear 2Co.com ( staff member name changed)

I attach below an email I receive tonight from 'Steve Waters' and he clearly states that he has not intention of giving me a refund - sorry but I had to reply _ I could not have an email from this person without having my say.

Anyhow, just so you know, I have also 'cut and paste the email that I sent to him last night, that he classes as threatening - I would have thought from a personal perspective that him saying I had made a bad move, was more threatening by the receiver then anything I said to him.

Anyhow, I now feel that he no longer needs the 48 hrs as he has answered he has no intention of refunding me the money and I intend to progress with my chosen course of action outlined in my reply to him. I would really appreciate it, if he could stop Emailing me, as I have no intention of ever Emailing him again, as I have far better things to do with my time.

Please get back to me with your next course of action as soon as you can - I did warn you that he was the sort to threaten those that stood up to him, and true to form, he did.

Many thanks and I am very grateful for all of your help in this matter and I am very sorry that he has used 2CO.com to his advantage and not others. But I am sure you will hear much more about him, when others follow my advice to reclaim their money.

Yours sincerely,
********************

Dear Steve, or should I call you Mark Hanson, from Seattle, Washington?

I myself have had my suspicions for a while that your site was not it cracked out to be, but my husband, god bless, really believed in you and it was me, that started it all.

I became suspicious when You asked to write a letter in reply to one you refer to as ART - you say in that letter, that he had been with you for two months and that you had just paid him out.

I have been with you for 4 months and have paid nearly 800.00 - that you knew full well, was coming from my benefits as I am unemployed and classed as disabled.

You have sent numerous emails promising money and have failed to answer numerous ones from me, asking when I would get some!

I have seen your threatening letters that you send to people saying you will sue them and claim their assets, well that is fine by me, as when you sue me, we will attend court with our legal barristers, that we do not have to pay for in this country and we will also attend with the media - I am not scared in being sued as you see, I have legal knowledge and contacts within the police of this country ( under who's laws we are governed by) and I know that we are in good standing - by the way, just want to let you know that one of the sonic files, that you processed was to the most top legal company in Germany and you just spammed them - I know sonic deletes after a few days - but not when it is saved to disk with all your emails sent promising money - and all my requests for the same.....I have blocked all your addresses now and I am about to close down this email address - that is before I go to check2com and claim an act of fraud or failing that go direct to my card company - of course, we also have found out who hosts the websites and we will be writing to them too - as well as modifying our site - which we have changed the password on - of course - but I will still follow your intructions. And ensure that I still send as many as 6,000 a day to my site, which I own and my ffa page, which was reaching 450 a day and refer them all to ripreports.com.

Fortunately I was clever enough to save all the sonic programs and files to disk - and can therefore with my own mass emailer re-write to everyone and apologise and ask them to cancel their accounts and to check out the various websites called ripoff.com etc, where others have written about you too. I know I am a mere fish in the sea to you right now - but as was shown recently whales have a knack of turning up when least expected in this country - but fortunately I am clever enough to survive and not stupid enough to let you get away with this any longer....as you well know I have signed up for a lot of traffic sites and was really doing well in promoting you - I will do the same again - but this time to my site, with my words and not yours.

Best wishes

-------Original Message-------

From:email addresses removed as per ripoffreport policy
Subject: Your Account is Closed and Will No Longer Bill

Recvd from SW last night after he had recvd an email from 2checkout.com - note he claims to have helped me - yeah right in emptying my bank account into his. As regards the time he has spent working with me - get real - all of his emails are the same as is proven if you read the ones way back on this site since 2002 - he has got away with this for over 4 years...how much has he really took from us all? What about the hundreds of hours my husband and I put into this program, we were reaching 6,000 hits a day to our website - they did not come from him - they came from us - also we specially built a computer to run SONIC which he provided us with that cost us over 200 pounds, but it is proving useful right now :-))

"Your Account with us is Closed and Will No Longer be Billed! There is No Refund available to You. You ordered on OVER 4 Months ago and have taken a LOT of my time...HELPING YOU...During that time! I have Helped You a Lot..and YOU come back with a Threatening email. Sickening! Anyway, Your card will no longer be billed and your hosting account is closed as per Your request. Good luck to you. Too bad some "idiots" got You off Track!! You should Read http://www.understandingidiots.com and see the Trap you allowed yourself to fall into! Good luck to you.


Sincerely,

Steve Waters ( what no smile :-( )

P.S. So *YOU* Know, Mark is Our Accountant. Just because some mixed up idiot says otherwise because he Failed and blamed everyone else around him...JUST LIKE It says in the site link above! We have Over 100 people who work for me. Am I all of them too? You should not believe idiots that failed themselves. Bad Move you made. Good luck to you!"
*************************

My reply to the above :-))
-------Original Message-------

From: email addresses removed as per ripoffreport policy

Subject: Even More Important Message....I understand you, but I am not listening to you anymore

Steve,

I Just want to inform you, that yes I am an idiot, as I mistook you as genuine and stayed with you for four months - how can you say I failed when your emails kept telling me I was doing a great Job? (Please do not answer) I am too busy devising my own 17 steps to publish on ripoffreports.com to be bothered with you right now) anyhow, moving on.....as regards your refund, obviously 2checkout.com must have got it wrong today when they told me that they would ask you for a refund and if you failed to provide the same within 48 hours (which runs out on Monday at 18.06 hrs GMT) they will give me all of my money back and will take action against you.

That is not mentioning of course the emails that will be sent as part of my NEW and IMPROVED FOOL Proof 17 steps - that are soon to be published - that will ensure, a lot more of us idiots all get our money back, when they follow the advice I give them, as you see, I am genuine, sincere, truthful peron, that likes to help others and not a con artist.

Anyhow....if you want any further updates of my next move, please mark ripoffreports.com on your favourites - Bad move you made in sending me to your understanding an idiot site, as I understand you more now and also - I do not walk down loser avenue, I am high on the adrenaline created by bringing you to justice that will include the likes of CNN and Internet Crime Complaint Center - please do not take this as a threat - it is a fact.

Strange that complaints are mounting against you and not strange that others say the same as I do, and even stranger that you have some misconcept idea that your 1000 happy people are real - when part of your 17 steps - that you tell us to complete before we can earn money consists of sending you a 'happy testimonal' that you add to this list - you see.... I did tell the representative from 2checkout.com to check out ripoffreport.com site and that you threatened perople like I that stood up to you.

Good Luck my friend, as you will need it and not I, again, not a threat, a fact.

;-)))


Please note this is a copy email sent to SW by "checkoutcom' with some items deleted as per ripoffreport policy - that shows he is lying when he says I can not have a refund, as they have told him that if he does not refund me, they will.

All credit to 2Co.com - they have been superb in dealing with this matter and I can only prise them for their fast acting and no nonsense approach to this matter. Also my praise to ripoffreport.com - in fact I am thinking if they will allow me - diverting all my traffic to this site and it will save me the hassle :-)

The deadline runs out for my refund in less then 24 hours - please check back tomorrow for an update....in the meantime, take care :-)) keep smiling as it takes less muscles


"This is a copy of an email sent to the merchant,
if this issue has not been resolved in 2 business days
or is not being resolved please feel free to
contact us
======================

Dear Steve,

The customer Name changed has contacted 2Checkout.com with a
complaint (details below). Please review this information
and take corrective action by as soon as possible. You can cancel
any order from the Merchant Admin Area.

Complaint Details:

Customer is wanting a full refund for not only this order but the other order which the order number is *********. She states that you have not provided her with any type of service and have been taken her money. Please respond to this email to me as well as the customer. Failure to respond will result in the refund being issued by 2co.com"

*********************

This was my last email that I sent to SW - late last night

"Please do not send any more emails to this account or any others associate with ****** or her family - as this will result in the matter being formally reported to the Police as threatening and intimidating and any action considered viable will be taken against the sender, organisation or any employees working or associated with the world wide training center and any other organisation associate with the same.

All correspondence should be sent by mail to the address that you may hold on file and will be addressed and handed to our legal representation accordingly.

Your co-operation in this matter will be appreciated and this email has been forward to 2CO.com for their records.

From this point, I hold the right to any items or articles that I publish and they will remain my property along with the hosting name of (website details removed as per ripoffreports.com policy) - any referrals to this site and any items contained on this site will be owned by I, the author and will be deemed as copyright, from this moment onwards


Final note for today:

As you can clearly see - he says I can not have a refund - 2 checkout.com say that I can and if he does not pay it, they will.

So, don't take my word for it, or his, go to your payment provider asap and ask them to look at this great wonderful site and check that others are refunding the money and taking this seriously and so should they - otherwise they may just end up on here like Steve Waters and many, many others.

Also ensure that you send a copy of my email to him above, to stop him threatening you or intimidating you in any way or form - as per his personality trait - one would hope that he is not foolish enough to think he can get away with this or anything else he is planning - as I am sure the FBI will already be interested him in shortly along with other agencies - so any stupid act would render him to more serious charges as he may currently already face.