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Report: #1458292

Complaint Review: The 297 Club - Dayton Ohio

  • Submitted: Sun, August 26, 2018
  • Updated: Thu, September 13, 2018
  • Reported By: Truth Seeker — San Diego California United States
  • The 297 Club

    Dayton, Ohio
    United States

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Hello, I did not want to be the bearer of bad news, but it's the truth and if this review helps someone not make the same mistake I did, I will sleep even better at night. *Note: I never wanted to write this but Mike Caldwell left me no choice I've been dealing with him off and on for over a year. I have screen shots to back everything up and hope no one else has to deal with him as he is not a man of his word. In the shortest answer, save your money and RUN AWAY from Mike Caldwell and his sorry excuse for a "company" called the 297 club as quickly as possible!

Long story: I saw Mike Caldwell's ad on Craigslist in November of 2017. I was in a rough spot financially and was interested in the ad as it appeared to be a sensible & lucrative business. Only problem was, I did not have even 10 bucks to my name! I talked with Michael and he was very helpful and understanding of my situation and he offered me a "discount" on the onboarding fee of, you guessed it, $297. That was awesome of him, I thought, so about a month later, after doing some odd jobs on Craigslist I earned enough to "buy-in" to this elaborate scam. Mike was so helpful, he explained he could get me in at the discounted price of "$150" basically half off! Needless to say, I was excited to get in at that price! (Who doesn't appreciate a discount?) I paid Mike Caldwell the $150 sometime in December of 2017.

Within 3 short months, I realized what a mistake that was. To recap, for anyone who doesn't know what this game they'll have you play is all about. The "product" they offer is a lead scraping software that generates beat-up, cold, and unsuspecting business owners/entrepreneurs personal information; which in my eyes is just unethical to begin with, these are NOT viable leads! You are then thrown into a "call center" where you'll answer calls whenever you want to clock in, but these calls are not businesses calling looks for leads, they are regular people just like you and me, looking for legitimate work from home opportunities! It gets worse... So here I am, busting my backside, taking as many calls as possible to recoup my initial investment of $150. About a week into this I recruited one entrepreneur.

If you watched the webinar, you know that the 1st person you recruit gets 'passed up' to your upline. So, I don't make anything, but I just made Mike $200 bucks, not too shabby (for him). At this point, I think I'm seeing the light with this opportunity! Another week or so passes and I have over 7 people interested, all but 6 decide it's "not for them". Unlike me, they must have done their thorough research! I was able to recruit one person out of those 7 and ironically, he was struggling financially, just like me. I called Mike to see how do I offer a discount, he didn't respond, so via email I reached out to the person above him and this is where things started to get really fishy.... He basically tells me, they ( the 297 club ) are not in charge of how you receive payment or how much,

and that there is only a $97 Admin Fee to be paid, after the $97 Admin Fee is paid, they'll have access to the whole system! So, not only is the product and company completely BOGUS, it also only costs $97 to join and that's how Mike Caldwell was able to give me his "generous" $150 discount. This is how you're able to unethcially "make $200 over and over again". I gave the interested prospect a discount, same one as Mike gave me, $150. He paid it, and it only took him less than 6 days to realize this is a huge, messed-up ponzi scheme. He is actually the reason I found out for sure that this company was not legitimate. He informed me about all the horrid reviews on Mike Caldwell and how he goes by multiple names and has had other businesses no longer around (lookup pgleads/paragon leads or just google Mike Caldwell)

He stated he wanted a refund (rightfully so) and I was more than willing to give him one, only problem was, I needed to pay rent and I did not have his investment! This is where things went down south. My unsatisfied prospect blackmarks my PayPal account and extracts $150 that I did not have and then my PayPal account gets deactivated. At this point, I'm constantly calling Mike Caldwell, with no answer, no callbacks-nothing. Now, not only have I lost faith in humanity, but also I've lost all of my money! I keep trying to get ahold of Mike and when I finally do, he is the opposite of what he originally appeared to be. He becomes demeaning, says "it's my fault I can't keep clients on board" and that he isn't going to give me a refund because "it's not his problem".

At this point, I am not asking kindly for my money back, as I feel very disrespected and lied to. He reassured me I won't be given a refund and to just "forget about it" and "bring more people in". Knowing that this whole operation is a scam and ruining people, I don't know how I could recruit people into this Scam! Which leads me to believe, Mike Caldwell has No Conscious or Soul. How could you knowingly promote a scam? At the end of December, I take his advice, I just stopped trying for the refund. I Realized I'll never get it back. January 8th of 2018 he says " he might have someone interested in buying my software license for $150" Can you guess what happens next?

Yup, absolutely nothing! 2 months pass and not a word from Michael Caldwell. I did however receive a random group email with multiple unhappy 297 victims and we all had something to say, especially me. I explained my story for all to see, called it a Scam like it is, and he apparently did not like that and offered me a refund! Of course, I accepted his offer and deactivated my software as he requested, and of course, he did not deliver on his end. I decided to email him March 1st, 2018 during my birthday month, reminding him of the refund HE OFFERED ME, that was a mistake to hold him accountable to his own word. He became irritated saying I was "pestering him this whole time while I could have been making money" offers to put me back in the system, get this, FOR FREE!!

I declined and was infuriated and DEMANDED my refund that he offered, with no avail. Some more time passes and I decide to call him, he surprisingly answers and is VERY standoffish, says the same thing no refund but " I can put you into the system for free" this time, I accept his offer and just say "okay" with NO intentions of joining his Scam. Even more weeks pass and I do not hear a word from him. He randomly responds on April 22nd and says this : "Heath, Just wanted to let you know I haven't forgotten about you. It's been a pretty crazy week getting ready for my son's first communion. In any event, I'll get you set up today. Thanks for your patience." That was April 22nd! I have not responded or heard back from him since, It is now August 27th 2018!

Now at this point, I'm only writing this review for the principal, to help other people be aware of this scam. Yes, if you are like Mike Caldwell and you also have no conscious or soul you can make money with the 297 club. I just can not imagine peddling a product with no value, only costs $97 and then charge people $297 for it. I really hope this review helps save people from joining a known scam and if anything changes I will update my review accordingly. I believe in the good of all people and I have humanity's best interest at heart, Mike Caldwell and the 297 club do not! Thank you for reading, you've been warned.

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#1 Author of original report

It's True, Manipulative Michael Caldwell Has Been The Real Victim All Along, Plain To See..

AUTHOR: Heath - (United States)

If this post of his doesn't scream manipulator, I don't know what does. Who scams someone and then makes it seem like, they themselves are the actual victim? You can keep trying to discredit me Mike, but you will continue to fail. Unlike you, I'm completely transparent with nothing to hide, so let's do dance again, one last time. Starting off with your analogy: I believe if you're locked in a glass house (his scam) you Should throw stones to Get Out. What is true is, I work with multiple business lenders, I help Small & Medium-sized businesses receive funding. One of the MCA funders is Mom & Pop business funding. On the very first day of training, the owner of Mom & Pop showed us that they do have some ripoff reports from workers who treated the opportunity like a job and saw no results. None of the reports are actually from businesses which utilize their financial services. Mom & Pop Merchant Solutions have been around since 2007, have supplied over 7 billion in funding and remain one of the top 3 funders in the Merchant Cash Advance arena. I personally think their site is really cool, a little flashy, but I wouldn't say amateur, at least not as amateur as this: https://297club.com I don't know how Mom & Pop could scam their workers? They don't require any money upfront to get started, Unless offered a management position. Also, after the business owner accepts the funding offer, they receive their capital within the same week, coupled with flexible repayment options that work with the owner.

I knew about their reports before I joined, and I'm still glad I did. I believe them to be an honest and reputable company, despite the few online blemishes they have. I wouldn't say I'm failing with Mom & Pop, after all, I'm just getting started. Failing is more like how Mike is now desperately trying to discredit my reputation because I exposed him for who he really is (a known con-artist). As you can see, I only have 1 ripoff report exclusively reserved for Mike Caldwell and the 297Scam, and as stated, I did not even want to write it! To this day, Mike continues to keep playing these childish games of his. It should be obvious to everyone here that his words hold no weight. Tell me again Mike, how I'm the shady one here? Why would I be obsessed with you Mike, a well-known scam-artist, who would go as far as writing fraudulent reports under fake names on the individuals who've rightfully exposed him? Maybe the funniest thing about this whole situation is, he's the one who keeps trying badger me. After I exposed him, he made a Bogus C&D letter, I left him alone and now he spewing even more lies, as a final, and lousy attempt to 'defame my character'. This ordeal has gone on far too long Mike, just give it up already, accept your defeat and move on. This makes you look even more pathetic and only adds to my case that you truly are a sadistic, manipulative scam-artist. You scammed me and countless others and have been doing so under multiple names since 2012. I called you out, you lost, and Now you're obviously seeking "revenge" for me exposing the real you. Maybe if you were open and honest Mike, you wouldn't have any Demons to hide from.

I have nothing to lose or gain from writing this report. I also have nothing to hide, and the mere fact that he is still legally bluffing is beyond me. Seriously, on what grounds are you going Prosecute me? For telling the truth, is that a crime now in your book? Do you really want to lose that case? Who was doing the scamming here Mike? Did I steal $150 bucks from you and not give it back, after it was promised Twice? Have I made Any fraudulent reports on your character under fake names? How could I be obsessed with someone who I've never even seen a picture of before? Why won't you just accept your own defeat and move on already? You're not the victim Mike, so quit pretending to be. No one will have pity for you, especially in court when you're the one holding all the incriminating evidence AND have no credibility to back up any of your defaming, frivolous claims. Every statement I've made here is accurate and true, with Substantiated evidence to back it all up. I've told no lies, so I haven't 'defamed your character' because Everything I've said is an accurate representation of who you really are. I also have not harassed, or made any threats to you, so stop falsely claiming "aggravated menacing". All I've done is spread the truth and apparently, according to Michael Caldwell, Honesty is a felonious crime. So now Mike, what do you say? Can we both move on from this and agree to disagree, or do you want to do some more legal bluffing and see where it'll land you? Choose Wisely!

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#2 UPDATE Employee

Heath Adams in Escondido CA

AUTHOR: Mike - (United States)

 The first we are taught as a child is don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. Clearly Heath was never taught this lesson. Heath works with a company called Mom & Pops Business Funding. Here's his linked page stating he is working with the company: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heath-adams-auspicious/ Here's the website to the sketchy company: https://www.mpbusinessfunding.com/ This company claims to get businesses hundreds of thousands in funding yet has a totally amateur website RED FLAG if you ask me. What's more, they're all over ripoffreport: https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/mom-and-pop-merchant-solutions/internet/mom-and-pop-merchant-solutions-bret-martin-flat-out-liars-and-wacko-managers-portland-or-1392751 https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/mom-and-pop-business-funding/portland-or-97204/mom-and-pop-business-funding-brett-martinvictor-felicianojudith-feliciano-crooks-ran-1454306 https://m.yelp.com/biz/mom-and-pop-merchant-solutions-portland This is clearly a case of the pot calling the kettle black. He works with a sketchy company that scams business owners and their workers. He is obviously failing in that endeavor too. I guess we will see a report them soon.

Folks, this guy is not only a shady person, he is obsessed with me, which is kinda creepy. Heath, please leave me alone or you will be prosecuted.

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#3 UPDATE Employee

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AUTHOR: Mike - (United States)

 First off, to anyone that is genuinely interested in joining the 297club, let me apologize for this situation.  I know online business can be risky and these kinds of reports just add more anxiety.  I will try and address these things one by one and hopefully we can make sense of everything. 1) Notice Heath said he made a sale!  He specifically said within the sames week he started taking calls he made his first sale.  Some would say he was off to a great start.   Working with the 297Club, you will make money.  Making money online is not hard at all.  If you have the will, the 297Club has the system.  As the gentlemen said himself, he received calls and closed a deal.  Some would say "case closed" already, but I will continue for purposes of clarity.

2) Notice Heath say I gave him a $150 discount!  I don't do this for everyone but he was insistent and promised me he would pay it forward if I took a chance on him. What scammer or soul-less person does that?  He said himself, he didn't have much money.  So I was willing to take a $150 hit (making my commission only $53) so that I can help the guy out.  I literally took a risk and gampled on this guy.  

3) The 297Club is owned by Software Success LLC.  In addition to the 297Club, they own the 721CLub, GoRingLess Extreme, ShowMeGram in addition to a few others I can't name.  They have been in business since 2011. Lead generation/Lead Scraper software programs are completely legal and the leads are not cold, they are targeted.  I have a training sessions on youtube showing how targeted leads can be generated for another industry using the lead scraper.  A person that isn't teachable/coachable, would think these things about the product.  After reading these things it should be easy to see why he only closed one sale.  He doesn't know the product at all. Prime example: The 297Club includes a software suite.  It's six different programs.  Each individual program, if bought alone, would cost $97 each.  That's where he's getting the "program really only cost $97" thing from.  He's wrong and I've tried to tell him 10 times now.  Thus this is the reason he didn't make money and wouldn't let me help him.  The 297Club website literally says the product is $297.  

4) I don't go by multiple names.  Not sure where he got this from.  My name is Mike Caldwell.  Pgleads was an older company I started and closed years ago.  I'm not perfect, but I consider myself a Christian under construction like everybody else.  I'm also not in Ohio.  I'm in Florida.  Nice try Heath. 5) Here's the real problem...Heath needed to pay rent and instead of doing what he thinks I should do and refund his client's money, he kept it.  The guy "blackmarked" Heath's PayPal account.  Now Heath blames me.   Heath, the guy paid you and you didn't follow the steps to get him trained because you didn't follow my training yourself...See why he wanted a refund?  This is truly the pot calling the kettle black...Instead of having integrity or at least giving the guy my office number, you ignored him and he called PayPal on you.  That's not my fault.  

5) I've never said giving you a refund wasn't my problem.  I've said it once and I'll say it again, Why would I give you a refund when you were unwilling to give your client a refund?  Don't be a hypocrite Heath. To anyone interested in the 297Club and looking to join,  My name is Mike Caldwell.  That's really who I am.  I have built my own team with the 297Club and that includes the call center and free autoresponder and daily biz opp leads.  I will put you in position to make sales within your first week.   Having said that, it is a risk.  You have to be teachable/coachable and you can't depend on me to close sales for you.  You absolutely must follow the setup instructions and do not try to reinvent the wheel.   I'm of the opinion that every dollar is not a good dollar.  So if Heath's hypocritical report makes your hesitant, you were not supposed to join anyway.  So good luck.    

Heath, We are done.  I will not be responding to anything else you put online.  You invested, you made money, you left a guy hanging and he was smart enough to go directly to PayPal and get his money back.  I suggest you humble yourself and not act like you know everything the next time a good opportunity comes your way.  

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#4 Author of original report

Another Pathetic Lie, No One Is Harassing You Mike

AUTHOR: Heath - (United States)

Mike, if you really wanted to create a cease and desist letter that would actually hold up in court, you'd write it out and Mail it to me. This just shows how legally inclined you're not. No one here is even close to aggravated menacing, you're literally over 2,500 miles away, on the other side of the country, what am I gonna do to you? Don't be a baby because you couldn't have your way. No one has made any threats or attempts to spew false information on your character, everything stated in these reports about you are extremely accurate. Unlike the report you just created for me AFTER you created your frivolous C&D 'letter'. Seriously, who creates a BOGUS Cease And Desist letter and then still pathetically trys to go after that person they wanted to desist from? Oh yeah, Mike Caldwell. https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/heath-adams/escondido-california/heath-adams-email-heathadams91gmailcom-do-not-work-with-heath-adams-in-escondido-ca-1460726 We're done here Mike, you haven't left the 297Scam as you proclaimed, and you have yet to refund me what we agreed upon. Your career might as well be over after all the countless lies, the lies will start to become the truth. Today Mike, you really proved that are not a Man at all. Go ahead call the Police, I haven't done anything but stand my ground. Besides it's obvious you're bluffing, when you get really scared you say the same thing to everyone. Remember another time when you got scared and made more legal bluffs over 6 years ago ? "#18 REBUTTAL Individual responds Now you're threatening me! AUTHOR: PGLeads - (United States of America) SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 02, 2012 Your last message is incriminating. It is proof positive of what's called aggravated menacing. Threatening physical harm. I will be contacting law enforcement in your city." I've been done with you Mike, go have fun ripping people off, maybe one day it'll all catch up to you. Now we're done. Enjoy your warm place...

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#5 UPDATE Employee

Please stop harassing me

AUTHOR: Mike - (United States)

This will go on record as my cease and desist to Heath Adams located at: (((REDACTED))) Escondido ca (((REDACTED))) Email: heathadams91@gmail.com I do not wish to be contacted by you again. Your harassing email and name calling has become a disturbance to my business.

Please refrain from contacting me ever again. I will be logging this email with my attorney and contacting the police department in Escondido CA should your aggravated menacing and harassment continue. Thanks

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#6 Author of original report

MUST READ: Mike Caldwell IS What He Appears To Be (An Uneducated Con-Artist)

AUTHOR: Heath - (United States)

Well, it appears this wild rollercoaster ride has come to an abrupt end. This will be my final post and should be a rather concise conclusion. First thing's first.. Surprise, surprise! Hahaha Did you really think Mikohl was going to give me a refund!?! Remember when I stated "Every word he says is a lie" , there is no exception.

Even though he gave me his Weightless word twice now.. You guessed it. Nope, no refund from Mike Caldwell! Instead of Being A Man about this whole situation and taking full responsibilities for his actions, he decided to be a Little Boy who blames others for HIS own shortcomings. This is the email I woke up to today, (Thursday, September 13th) after he clearly stated 3 days ago that he'd "give me a refund, really": "Mike 297club to me 3 hours agoDetails 'Your report has cost me.

I'm shutting the business down and moving on. F#*k you and f#*k your money' " Woah, I was just telling the truth, I didn't know my words had THAT much reach and weight. Moreover, what a respectful, caring, legitimate and standup guy Mike Really is. Don't you just want to quit your job and go work with a guy like this?! His response was totally unprofessional and unwarranted.

Here was my response to him. " Heath to Mike 20 minutes ago Wow, Amazing Mike! You mean the truth cost you? All of these games you play, should be a sin. I still expect my refund of $150, I don't care that you had to 'shut the Scam down'. That doesn't change our agreement. Somehow, I knew you wouldn't keep your word, and your response further proves that you weren't making money ethically.

My report (if not accurate) wouldn't shut anything down. Only reason the report is working, is because it's true. Don't get mad at me because your life is now in shambles for all the BS you put people through, you should've known all of your lies would've caught up to you. If you're telling the truth about shutting down the Scam, you should be thanking me that I saved you from any real legal trouble.

Do you know how many lives you've ruined? How do you sleep at night? Maybe if you would've just operated from a place of integrity, all of this would've never happened. After all, how long did you think you could keep this sham up? Ah, so this is exactly what happened to PGLeads/NetLeadPro, huh Mikohl? Had to close it down and change names (again). Also, it's fine if you 'think' that you still aren't going to refund me.

Sure, you can run from me your whole life, but you will never escape your own karma. Won't be long until you realize you're fighting an uphill battle you won't win. Haven't you noticed all this turmoil in your life is because you are not acting in accordance with your own inner-being? You Lie so much that, you are not even staying true to yourself! You will look for other opportunities, but they will all Take from you, just as you took from others. So go ahead, don't pay me ( like I knew you wouldn't ) but realize, all the hardship that is coming your way is a direct result of how you treat yourself, and others.

Having that said, I wish you well in your job search and hope that a known con-artist like yourself never works with people's money ever again. Do us all a favor and get a JOB! Don't be mad, I heard UPS is hiring! Thanks again Mike for wasting a year of my time and under-delivering on many false promises, you really outdid yourself as a low-life scammer, I have no pity for people like you. Hope you like the Florida heat Mike, because there's a special place in the depths of H*ll with your name on it. Namaste."

To conclude, if you see a Mike, Mikohl or Michael Caldwell, all you need to do is RUN in the other direction. It doesn't matter what he'll be offering next because he over-promises, under-delivers, will steal from you, offer you a refund, and not give it to you. This has been his pattern since 2012. What makes you think he's going to change anytime soon? He might be telling the truth when he says he's going to "shut the Scam down" and "move on".

If that's the case, be on the lookout and don't partner with him or any companies he joins. He is NOT a man of his word, he obviously has no soul, conscious, or integrity. He has no place in the business world. As previously mentioned, all we have in business is our reputations. I would never do anything to discredit my own, or anyone else's reputation, unless they are completely unethical like Mike and beg for it. (Seriously, what kind of sick, sadistic person offers a refund twice and fails to follow through Both times?

No excuse for him) I'm glad I put myself on the line to help others avoid this pitfall. Oh and here's the icing on the cake to this whole ordeal. Remember when he was blaming me for not following his training to keep people on board? Ever wonder what happened to the first person which I passed up to Mike? Here's what my first 'client' had to say when recently asked if he was still active with the 297Club: "to me 4 days agoDetails ' No. Turned out to be a scam.' Sent from my iPhone" So not only could I "not keep people on board" Michael himself couldn't even keep people in the scam either!

Hmmm, I wonder if my first pass-up ever received a refund for this whole thing being a scam? Also, here's a recent response from my second 'client' who wanted a refund: " 2 days agoDetails ' I'll take a look, been pretty busy lately. I'm sorry it took you this long to see these guys were only interested in lining their own pockets...' " Yes, it took me a while but I finally got it, and did the right thing exposing this sham.

In conclusion, you've been warned. Mikohl Caldwell is not the type of person you want in your business, or in your life at all. Keep your eyes peeled for his name and if you see it, start sprinting away, as soon as possible. Mike, your whole blunder of a situation could've been avoided, had you just Been A Man Of Your Word, instead of a Little Boy Full Of Lies. I strongly advise you to at least try being honest with your new endeavours, that way you won't blow it "the next time a good opportunity comes your way."

After all Mikohl, your blatant lies are what created your prison, and The Truth Will Set You FREE! Thanks to everyone who read my reports, saved their time, energy, money and not partnered with this known Scam. I wish everyone a joyous life with nothing but abundance/success! Namaste.

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#7 Author of original report

Have Not Reached a Refund Yet, but I Have His Word.

AUTHOR: Heath - (United States)

Well Folks, This has been quite the rollercoaster ride, I have been reaching out to Michael Caldwell and he has responded with this: ( 7pm 09/09/18 ) "....Having said that, I think I'm going to give you a refund, really. It's time for you to move on Heath. This is holding you back now. I am not required to give you a refund. You decided to be quitter and convinced yourself of something that's not true. But I can see what shape you're in, so why not. But you will need to be patient. If you can't be patient, I'm telling you loud and clear, BRING IT ON! I'm not afraid." So I will update this report as soon as he refunds my money like he said he would do on December 12th of 2017. Let's see if he keeps his word this time! Stay Tuned!

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--Irrefutable Proof--297Club=Scam, This Is The Post Mike Caldwell Doesn't Want YOU To See!

AUTHOR: Heath - (United States)

 Hello All!! This is the post that Mike Caldwell Does NOT Want YOU To Read! Why does he not want you to read this post? Simply put, the truth is like an insatiable, bright, beacon of light, welcomed by all conscious and positive-people. The truth is only scorned by negative people, who dwell in shadows, needing to take cover from the truth. If my original post made someone realize this whole operation is a complete SCAM / bogus opportunity, and not join the 297 club - my work is fulfilled and you'll thank me later! This next response will most likely save some money for the people who're still skeptical about the 297 Club, but most importantly, save their TIME. Time is our most valuable asset and there's no worse feeling than putting fruitless hours into something, only to find you've been wasting time and ALL your hard-work has been done in vain.

On that note, let's get right into it, I don't have all day! I just want to first point this out, please re-read his whole rebuttal. Especially towards the end, when he becomes demeaning. Doesn't it just sound like he has some major secrets to hide, that he wants NO-ONE to ever find out about? Be honest with yourself, (why) would you want to work with somebody so belittling as this? This too will be my last post because I'm a busy entrepreneur and I have no business in dealing with shady people like Mike Caldwell, who don't keep their word and constantly over-promise and never-deliver. This irrefutable post contains all the information a person needs to make a well-informed decision, about the 297Club, and what Mike Caldwell really is (A Scam Artist). I'll post links and screenshots that back up my every word so that you can see for yourself just what it is like dealing with a manipulative person like Mike. ((All the photos/links attached at the bottom))

Here is just some of the proof, if Mike continues to take this a step further, there is way more substantial evidence to be posted. All screenshots are original, Some photos are blurred so they won't get removed, none are fake or have been misconstrued. All photos are accurate representations of the situations as they unfolded with date/time stamps included. Knowing what I know now, it's pretty obvious why Mike doesn't want his full story to be told. As previously stated, I did not even plan to write the original report. Instead of just Being A Man about it and keeping his word by giving me a refund that he initially offered me in December of 2017, he continues to hide and lie, up to this very day. Apparently Mike wanted to take things to another level, attempting to discredit my reputation and character by calling me a "hypocritical know-it-all" / "incompetent liar" who needs to be humbled. I knew exposing this ugly-truth would leave myself open to his false scrutiny, but I have nothing to hide, and I will put myself on the line to save others any-day of the week, it's just in my blood. So say what you want about me Mike, I know who I am and what I stand for and it is NOT scam artists like yourself. Let's dig just a little bit deeper to find what Mike fears the most... Mike's biggest fear is The Truth.

Let's start with his hollow rebuttal: 1) I MADE A SALE! Yay! Actually Mike, I made 2! Wow! Amazing! Bravo!!! The real question which still remains is, What Did I Even Sell? Did I sell what we are supposed to be selling in the first place, which is the 297Club's Lead Generation Software to prospective business owners? NOPE! Hmmmm.... What did I sell? What I "sold" isn't even on their product list! When you really think about it, all I really sold was an emptied out, false-dream, a BS "opportunity" which is just peddling his call center Scam. You don't even sell the 297Club's product, but sadly, you will ONLY sell Mike's lousy call center service, never the actual product itself. This information alone should be a huge RED FLAG to anyone still considering this Known Scam. Think about it, Shouldn't we be selling the product that helps businesses generate these " targeted, 'not-cold' leads". Yet you won't sell to prospective business owners who need "unlimited leads" that this unethical scraper claims to produce. Why am I reselling this falsified-opportunity to entrepreneurs, instead of business owners who need leads? For clarity, I repeat: You will NOT be simply selling the 297Club's lead generation software to business owners, what you'll actually sell is Mike Caldwell's call center, to people interested in working from home. I've personally used the scraper extensively to know how garbage it actually is. Let's just say, Mike doesn't even scrape his own leads from the 297's software, and he still needs to BUY leads for his scam.

To reiterate: He has this awesome "lead generation software" yet Still needs to buy his own leads. In my opinion, besides Mike being a completely untrustworthy individual, here's where the 2nd biggest problem is: The whole business model is to just recruit people into the scheme, you don't actually have people benefiting from an actual product/service at all! It's almost as if the "software" is just a gimmick to say "we have a product". We'll go deeper into that later! 2) A Discount?! Imagine, I have a big bag of cat manure going for $300 and I offered you a "discount" on it for $150, are you receiving more value from the discount offered? Absolutely not! Yet, this is exactly what is happening here. Mike, you are NOT adding value to the marketplace by offering discounts on your lousy product-I mean "call center". You Still Remain the type of scammer / soulless person who gives huge discounts on big bags of BS, labeled as diamonds, and then claim the bags were full of diamonds all along. Only to randomly offer a refund, and then don't keep your weightless words and disappear. Saddest part is, he's been doing this since 2013!!! Read complaint #5 https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/mike-caldwell-paragon-lead-solutions/internet/mike-caldwell-paragon-lead-solutions-mcaldwellpgleadscom-get-your-stankin-as-coochie-922636 This is why you are an untrustworthy person who should not be in business because you continue to steal from honest, hard-working entrepreneurs. Seriously how do you sleep at night? Are all your lies starting to catch up wiyth you Mike? 3)

Ahhh Yes, The Elusive Company Software Success LLC Registered in Rocklin California, operational since 2011 only according to your "YouTube training video". You too, can go down this rabbit-hole if you want, just copy and paste exactly what he wrote into google " Software Success LLC " I'll wait! What did you find? Sadly, you are better off finding a real picture of Mike Caldwell, or the leprechaun at the end of the rainbow, the most I've found about the elusive company is this: The supposed owner appears to be just a penname: Michael J Wagner https://indianadb.com/company/780496/software-success-llc.html This link: https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/software-success-llc-2605091/ And their other jokes of products which look the exact same as-- https://297club.com https://www.goringlessextreme.com previously (497 club) http://www.721club.info I can not find a President, a real HQ, an office building, or any number to call for this company at all!! It's 2018 yet, No social media pages, no press releases, no track record-nothing. The "support emails" i.e. $upport.@.netextractor dot Com These emails are all set up to autorespond with a message which reads: "THIS IS AN AUTOMATED RESPONSE - PLEASE DO NOT REPLY Software Success technical support handles issues Monday thru Friday, 8AM to 5PM EST A technical support person will reply to you via email typically within one BUSINESS day, not including weekends." You'll never receive a response, as my client found out after waiting 7 days for a response from support, including a much anticipated response from Mike himself. I love how Mike's expertise really starts to shine when he says "These aren't cold leads, they're targeted leads". Well, if you think about it, all lead generation scrapers are unethical in their nature, and they can ONLY generate COLD leads. A warm lead is someone who knows who you are and has OPTED-IN, because they're excited to learn more about your proposition. You, on the other hand Mike are literally scraping the web for their information unbeknownst to them! Even if the leads are "targeted" they'll always be cold because they have not opted into anything or even know you exsist as a "company".

Tell me again Mike, how would this process would ever translate into a viable lead? Why is part of the training, finding leads directly through Google without using the scraper? Why do you still have to purchase leads Mike? Better yet, tell me more about how I'm "incompetent" "lack integrity" and "don't know anything about the product at all". That's really going to hurt your case when Everything you've said clashes with the screenshots/links provided. The most aggravating trait dealing with Mike is he consistently lies and will gladly manipulate you. To the point where you think you're the crazy one! You can start to see this deceitful behavior in the middle, and end of his rebuttal. Which dovetails perfectly into the trickery which is Michael Caldwell, or should I say... " Mikohl " Caldwell? https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/paragon-leads-mikohl-caldwell/internet/paragon-leads-mikohl-caldwell-pgaleads-complete-jerk-once-you-turn-him-down-which-you-def-1026489 4) ^^^^^^^^^ " ...I Don't Go By Multiple Names. Not Sure Where He Got This From..." - Mikohl Caldwell ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes folks, it's true. Mikohl will even lie about his own name(s) and past. By now, you should be laughing out of joy that you have KEPT your money and not partnered with a well Known con-artist who has used Fake Names before, that sound like his exact name, which he claims to be his "real name".

In Mikohl's defense, this was 5 years ago in 2013, he has obviously gotten MUCH worse since then. Let's examine this further, this "man" not only went by a fake name, he actually denies it ever happened, while the link is embedded above for all to see. Let that show you how dumb he thinks we all are, and how sly he thinks he is. If you're going to use fake names, at least own up to it! The lack of character Mikohl has displayed since 2013 should be enough to make you sick. For instance, not only will he lie about using his fake names, he also lies about his current location. He specifically told me on the phone last year (It is recorded) he has two homes, one in Ohio, and one in Florida. If you look at his training video (link provided), you can clearly see, when he flaunts his PayPal invoice of $8,200 / month. This link will take you right to his address which is clearly not in Florida but, Cincinnati Ohio. https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&t=27m40s&v=xoIRw8o6zWM It boggles my mind how someone can lie, so much about even the smallest things. I wonder what he has to hide? 5) "

The Real Problem " Michael's whole response from here to the end is a prime example of his manipulative behavior. He attempts to make me look like a complete incompetent Piece Of $h*t , at the same time pretend like he has been righteous and there for me all along. After this response is wrapped up, you'll see that same degrading pattern in more recent interactions we've had. He's right, I did need to pay rent, it is not cheap living in California especially while changing careers in the process. You could say I was so desperate for money I would do almost anything (within MORAL and reason), I even joined the 297Scam because back then, I was so money focused I couldn't even see through their weak facade. As soon as I received my first payment, literally within hours it was deposited for rent. If I had the money for my client's refund 7 days later, he and I both know I would've given it right to him right away, no questions asked (unlike Mike). In fact, here is the kicker of it all! The client and I remained in contact during his whole onboarding week, I was always available and answered as many questions as I could for him, while we were BOTH waiting for a response from support.. . ...... Support response from who? Yup, you guessed it! We were waiting for a response from Michael Caldwell himself! I followed every step Michael offered, including calling him when I needed help, I personally called Mike well over 50 times within those 7 days like a madman, with NO response from him at all! I even GAVE my client Mike's number as well and he didn't even answer one of his phone calls either! In fact, during my whole experience with Mikohl Caldwell he was much like a snake; VERY hard to get a hold of.

He would seldom answer his phone and was always very short with me if he did answer (not helpful at all). Can you start to see why my client really wanted a refund? I was the only one who my client could get a hold of. No one else answers their phone, or replied via email, yet it's stated they have "24 hour support". Luckily, Paul F. of the previous 497Club (now goringlessextreme) Did chime in after an extended wait. Paul F. is also the one in the screenshot confirming the product cost is a $97 admin fee and $200 is left on the table. I also found this report about Paul F. It seems these programs are just a breeding ground for shady con-artists. https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/paul-farman-mdmm-milliondollar-marketing-machine/httpmdmmachinecomidpaulpinfo-select-stateprovince/paul-farman-mdmm-million-dollar-marketing-machine-paul-farman-rip-off-artist-mdmm-milli-1087263 Paul F. Actually tried to lie and say that he created a negative ripoff report about himself for page ranking... I can't make this stuff up!! The real reason my client wanted a refund, there is seriously no real support within this Scam. *6) My Refund HE OFFERED. During this whole time of Mike being shady, not returning my calls, being a typical scam artist. I decided to cut my losses, I had not talked to him until December rolled around and I exposed him on the random group chat message.

Here's the "funny thing" about my whole refund situation with Mikohl, before December 2017, I Never once asked Mike for a refund when I was going through my client's refund. Not once! I never Once asked Mike for a refund, at all! Everything this "man" says is a lie. Every single word. Imagine this, for calling his company what it is (scam) He randomly offers ME a refund on December 12th 2017! (See 1st screenshot) You'll see how he attempted to manipulate the whole situation to make it seem like I was begging him for a refund to pay back my client, sorry Mike. We both know that is not true, you were no where to be found when we needed a response from you. Let alone try and to get a refund from you. The refund I'm I've been seeking is the refund YOU offered me. After he offered me a refund, Mike quickly disappeared. Now, you can start to see where this whole situation becomes childish when he says: "Why would I give you a refund when you were unwilling to give your client a refund? Don't be a hypocrite". Ummmm....The only reason I want my refund is because you offered it to me on December 12th of 2017 Mikohl. And by blacklisting my account, my client did indeed receive their refund. Had I known this was a scam upfront, I would've never joined in the first place. To think that this whole report and countless other articles, could have been avoided if Mike Caldwell would've just been a Man Of His Word and provided the refund he initially offered me. It only took my client 7 days to find out this is a scam, it took me much longer. Once I found this out, it was impossible for me to be a part of something so deceitful and sinister.

This is why I will continue to say, Mikohl Caldwell is soulless scam-artist, he Knows this whole operation is cancer, yet promotes it like it is a cure. Save your time, money, mind, energy and move on, you do not want to deal with this headache known as Mike or his joke of a opportunity. If you're still reading, you're in for a surprise which will leave no doubt in your mind that this "man" and company are beyond wicked. So to recap, Mike rarely answers emails, ducked nearly all my calls, weeks later randomly offers me a refund, doesn't deliver and then blames all of this misfortune on me for exposing him?! Once you see through the lies, this whole predicament becomes almost painfully comical. I want to end with this most recent encounter. After all of these games he played. He still under-delivers.

On April 22nd 2018, Mike says he'll put me into their system that same day for free! Not 4 hours later, not 4 days later, not even 4 weeks later but, 4 months pass, after I email him asking again for a refund since he couldn't even keep his word, he scrambles and emails me at 7:49AM saying "he's brought redemption to this situation" because He finally put me in the call center after 4 months of waiting. A whole season had passed without hearing a peep from Mike! Was this 4 month waiting period in his training, I must've missed the memo? The most peculiar thing is, I thought the value in this whole opportunity was the scraping software?!? Why hasn't he given me access to the software I originally paid "licensing rights" for? Since he has a way of mining unlimited leads, why does Mike still need to buy his own biz opp leads? Not only will he not refund me my money that he offered, he won't even allow me to download the useless software. He just plugs me back into his call center after 4 months of never hearing a word from this clown. This is why I've had to open up these cases against him, I can't take the lies he supplies.

There are so many things wrong with this company, even more things wrong with Mikohl. The most accurate and honest thing Michael has ever said so far was " you weren't supposed to join anyway" I'm glad you think this is done Mike, but it has just begun as I shared with you before this report went live. I need to update the many complaints filed, including the report with the FTC, for your sake, I really hope you do live in Florida. To all that have read this and viewed the links and screenshots, you've be warned, take the warning don't make the same mistake I did. You will thank me later! In business, all we have is our reputation, I put mine on the line to help others avoid this known Scam. This should be a sign, if you take a risk with this company you will be disappointed, when you politely ask for a refund you'll be denied. In closing I have found an awesome opportunity with a great company and I need to focus all my energy building that business. If Mike does end up following thru with the refund he offered, I will update this post accordingly. Let's see if he is a man of his word! Namaste. All the links as promised!

Here's a generously high rating 1-star review of the 297 Scam: https://manyincomestreams.com/is-297-club-a-scam The Real Mikohl Caldwell: https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/paragon-leads-mikohl-caldwell/internet/paragon-leads-mikohl-caldwell-pgaleads-complete-jerk-once-you-turn-him-down-which-you-def-1026489 Who Is Mike Really? https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/mike-caldwell-paragon-lead-solutions/internet/mike-caldwell-paragon-lead-solutions-mcaldwellpgleadscom-get-your-stankin-as-coochie-922636 Complaint #17 Is Accurately Eye Opening: https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/paragon-leads-pg-leads/internet/paragon-leads-pg-leads-mikhol-caldwell-tried-to-scam-me-i-asked-why-there-is-a-cost-he-973920 Is This In Your Training? Leave Em' Hanging?! https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/paragon-leads-solutions/dayton-ohio-45449/paragon-leads-solutions-mike-caldwell-promises-20-calls-a-day-i-would-get-1-dayton-ohio-1119330 More Complaints: https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/297-club/payson-arizona-85541/297-club-jay-williams-very-deisrespectduk-via-email-cussing-me-out-for-no-reasoning-then-1443458 Paul F. Of the former 497 Club, now GoRinglessExtreme. If there is one person that could beat Mike in telling lies, it might be Paul F. Can you believe they are working with the same company? Like Attracts Like: https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/paul-farman-mdmm-milliondollar-marketing-machine/httpmdmmachinecomidpaulpinfo-select-stateprovince/paul-farman-mdmm-million-dollar-marketing-machine-paul-farman-rip-off-artist-mdmm-milli-1087263 GoRinglessExtreme Review: https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/goringless/internet/goringless-go-ringless-your-cash-dialing-ringless-voice-mail-drops-for-mlm-leads-or-t-1255507 There you go folks, if you knowingly decide to promote valueless products, you create a living H£LL not only for you, but every person you deceitfully bring on board. Now that you know the truth, there is no excuse, Make The Right Choice!

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#9 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Response To Heath's Complaint

AUTHOR: Mike - (United States)

First off, to anyone that is genuinely interested in joining the 297club, let me apologize for this situation.  I know online business can be risky and these kinds of reports just add more anxiety.  I will try and address these things one by one and hopefully we can make sense of everything.

1) Notice Heath said he made a sale!  He specifically said within the sames week he started taking calls he made his first sale.  Some would say he was off to a great start.  

Working with the 297Club, you will make money.  Making money online is not hard at all.  If you have the will, the 297Club has the system.  As the gentlemen said himself, he received calls and closed a deal.  Some would say "case closed" already, but I will continue for purposes of clarity.

2) Notice Heath say I gave him a $150 discount!  I don't do this for everyone but he was insistent and promised me he would pay it forward if I took a chance on him.

What scammer or soul-less person does that?  He said himself, he didn't have much money.  So I was willing to take a $150 hit (making my commission only $53) so that I can help the guy out.  I literally took a risk and gampled on this guy.  

3) The 297Club is owned by Software Success LLC.  In addition to the 297Club, they own the 721CLub, GoRingLess Extreme, ShowMeGram in addition to a few others I can't name.  They have been in business since 2011.

Lead generation/Lead Scraper software programs are completely legal and the leads are not cold, they are targeted.  I have a training sessions on youtube showing how targeted leads can be generated for another industry using the lead scraper.  A person that isn't teachable/coachable, would think these things about the product.  After reading these things it should be easy to see why he only closed one sale.  He doesn't know the product at all.

Prime example: The 297Club includes a software suite.  It's six different programs.  Each individual program, if bought alone, would cost $97 each.  That's where he's getting the "program really only cost $97" thing from.  He's wrong and I've tried to tell him 10 times now.  Thus this is the reason he didn't make money and wouldn't let me help him.  The 297Club website literally says the product is $297.  

4) I don't go by multiple names.  Not sure where he got this from.  My name is Mike Caldwell.  Pgleads was an older company I started and closed years ago.  I'm not perfect, but I consider myself a Christian under construction like everybody else.  I'm also not in Ohio.  I'm in Florida.  Nice try Heath.

5) Here's the real problem...Heath needed to pay rent and instead of doing what he thinks I should do and refund his client's money, he kept it.  The guy "blackmarked" Heath's PayPal account.  Now Heath blames me.  

Heath, the guy paid you and you didn't follow the steps to get him trained because you didn't follow my training yourself...See why he wanted a refund?  This is truly the pot calling the kettle black...Instead of having integrity or at least giving the guy my office number, you ignored him and he called PayPal on you.  That's not my fault.  

5) I've never said giving you a refund wasn't my problem.  I've said it once and I'll say it again, Why would I give you a refund when you were unwilling to give your client a refund?  Don't be a hypocrite Heath.

To anyone interested in the 297Club and looking to join, 

My name is Mike Caldwell.  That's really who I am.  I have built my own team with the 297Club and that includes the call center and free autoresponder and daily biz opp leads.  I will put you in position to make sales within your first week.  

Having said that, it is a risk.  You have to be teachable/coachable and you can't depend on me to close sales for you.  You absolutely must follow the setup instructions and do not try to reinvent the wheel.  

I'm of the opinion that every dollar is not a good dollar.  So if Heath's hypocritical report makes your hesitant, you were not supposed to join anyway.  So good luck.  

 

Heath,

We are done.  I will not be responding to anything else you put online.  You invested, you made money, you left a guy hanging and he was smart enough to go directly to PayPal and get his money back.  I suggest you humble yourself and not act like you know everything the next time a good opportunity comes your way.  

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