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Complaint Review: The Neothink Society - WEST VALLEY CITY Utah

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  • The Neothink Society P.O.BOX 701890 WEST VALLEY CITY, Utah USA

The Neothink Society The League, Mark Hamilton, The Secret Society $1,000 paid for books which never revealed any "SECRETS",nor provide membership in the "Society" nor answer letters. WEST VALLEY CITY Utah

*Consumer Comment: I own a bunch of their books and I love them

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A letter I sent them Novemeber 13, 2014:


I have been receiving letters and ordering books for seven years or more, from Nouveau Tech Society, The Neothink Society, The League, and who knows who else, always saying I need the next book, one of which supposedly spelled out all the “secrets” hidden in previous books. Although I believe I have ordered everything that has been presented, possibly up through May of this year, I still have seen nothing that lists these so called secrets, of which I guess I’m too stupid to have picked out of their “hidden” places. I have about 10,000 pages of books from you, and I still don’t know what details you are trying to procreate, except to think for one’s self.  I have books of about 200 pages that I can read and know exactly what they are talking about, so there is nothing wrong with my gray matter.


On May 23 I faxed a form that was supposedly to attend meetings free for a year. Why I should be able to attend meetings when you are apparently just now asking for a check to join the League, I do not comprehend.


On June 3 I mailed a check for a 500 page book that was supposed to have the decoded secrets. The closest thing I have is a 523 page book with 1 key embossed on the front – and no list of secrets.


I have another black book named Society of Secrets, received in March this year- again no secrets except how to divide time into actions, which is a good idea. But what else is there?


I received another letter dated June 7 asking for another $ 259 for a 2800 page manuscript, to which I replied, asking if this is just a book sales setup which is perpetuated forever, none of which I have been able to use. I received no answer to the question…just call “this” telephone number.  


I received a letter dated August 9, 2014 giving a web site address for meetings. Accessing it only showed a web site which is used for the purpose of anybody’s web meetings. No information as to what to do from there. There was also no user name or password to use if I did find the place to go.


I don’t know whether your differently named organizations don’t have the same records, or what, but it is certainly a confusing setup.


Your letter of November 8 says to enclose $179.95 to become a member of “The League”, as it shows on the form. But unless you can provide what you have been promising, and never providing, then just forget the whole thing.


As of October 2017, I have yet to receive any answers whatsoever - just more requests to buy more books. In all the thousands of pages of books I have bought from them, there is nothing usable in any of them. Obviously, I do not buy any more.


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#1 Consumer Comment

I own a bunch of their books and I love them

AUTHOR: marlon - (United States)

POSTED: Sunday, March 04, 2018


1.  I own a bunch of Mark Hamilton's books

2.  I love  them

3.  Some of his teachings changed a friend of mine's life

4.  I often recommend them

5.  They are very philosophical and many concepts are
abstract  and esoteric.

6.  I've read approximately 4,000 books so reading and understanding isn't a challenge for me.

7.  Because you disagree with something or don't understand it doesn't make  it a ripoff.

8.  It all makes sense to me.  I personally don't see any validity at all to the comments posted other than they didn't "get" or like the teachings.  I understand that.  His teachings are esoteric.

9.  He spells out his "secrets" in enormous detail. I honestly don't see how anyone could not at least see the secrets.  Now, if you don't understand them, like them, agree with them, OK no problemo.  To each their own.

10.  His secrets include things like dividing your tasks into physical movements and scheduling days by physical movements so you increase intensity and get 5x  or 10x more done. This works.

His secrets include  enormous detail on how he manages his business with top 10 essence lists, essence meetings, tail of responsibilities. His secrets include things on how manages his businesses and provides jobs that are integrated respponsibilities.  The list goes on and on frankly.  You either "get" this stuff or you don't.

His secrets also include a lot of esoteric concepts based on integrating the purpose  of your life into your daily tasks.  These things become very philosophical. The FTC ruled that is father or father in law Frank Wallace stepped over the line of claims with Neotech.  All the claims were metaphysical so I don't see that.  But i guess they felt it was misleading.  More realistically, Mark aspires to be President and runs a campaign.  It's entirely possible they were concerned his group was "cultish" even though it has 0 traits of  a cult.  He stands for self directed control not control by others.  It's actually anti-cult if you really understand the mindset of a cult.  I have no idea.  Anyway, to me claiming some set of beliefs will help you make money, be more attractive, feel more powerful, in control and confident are all metaphysical claims.  It all happens inside your head.   The FTC didn't see it that way.

The teachings and claims are not disimilar to some aspects of Ayn Rand.  I mean, you're either a fan or you aren't.  LOL.

11.  Listen, I could go on and.  The bottom line is, his books are amazing if you love to read, you like abstract thinking, you're a bit philosophical and you like the idea of approaching businiess with the mindset of an entrepreneur.

If that's not your cup of tea, it's  all good. But that doesn't make Mark Hamilton a ripoff.

12.  I WILL add that his direct mail promotions got into hot water with the FTC and also agencies in Australia and the UK over unsubstantiated claims.

I personally don't get that as his claims are metaphysical and non proveable.  In other words, he says that thinking in a certain way you have more power and control over your life and your money.  What is power and control?  It's something inside your brain.  He says that you become more attractive to the opposite sex.  Yeah, you might.  If you are self directed and a go-getter, that probably appeals to some people who are likeminded.  He s ays he'sll  show you the key to wealth which is his whole approach for cloning the dna of a business with tracking sheets and tails of responsibilities.  It's hard to argue that not managing the details of a business in depth is going to make you more money.

I joined his $30 a month membership site once and you got daily webinars and meetings and a ton of value.  Now, I didn't stay a member.  It was a bit much for me.  And frankly, Mark isn't the most dynamic speaker on video I've heard in my life.  He's a little dry.  But if you're into his ideas, then you at least appreciate it.

He now sells his products on a modest commission basis through affiliates and direct mail.

I personally found some real take aways in his books and enjoy reading them often.  

They certainly aren't for everyone though.  Kinda like being an Ayn Rand fan. 

13. Oh, on the meetings thing, they have a lot of lccal chapters ran by fans.  They are basically fan meetings and loosely orchestrated.  But if you join the $30 a month thing, they have online meetings virtually every day.  People really get into it.

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