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Report: #171941

Complaint Review: Tnt Silver Labradors Blonde Lab Pups Tracy Mitchem - Conover North Carolina

  • Submitted: Mon, January 16, 2006
  • Updated: Thu, July 02, 2009
  • Reported By: Decatur Michigan
  • Tnt Silver Labradors Blonde Lab Pups Tracy Mitchem
    1340 33rd St. LN N.E.
    Conover, North Carolina
    U.S.A.

TNT Labradores Tnt Silver Labradors Blonde Lab Pups, Tracy Mitchem Dysplasia at 8 months old No Refunds puppymill Conover, NC Breeder Tnt Silver Lab blondelabpups.com Puppies Tracy Mitchem Conover North Carolina

*Consumer Suggestion: The Latest Developments

*Consumer Comment: MURPHY

*Consumer Comment: Current New Zealand advert for Hindle's pups

*Consumer Comment: tracey hindle, also known as tracey mitchem

*Consumer Comment: Coming back to the United States?

*Consumer Comment: Little Bit of Red

*Consumer Comment: Good Try Trevor AKA Faith/Julie

*Consumer Comment: Hindle/Faith

*Consumer Comment: Hello

*Consumer Comment: Contact?

*Consumer Comment: Hello, Would like to know more.

*Consumer Comment: OH NO!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Doesn't surprize me.

*Consumer Suggestion: Some advice for Silversky Labradors (ex TNT Labradors)

*Consumer Comment: Alicia

*Consumer Comment: Another unfortunate result of overbreeding

*Consumer Comment: Hello

*Consumer Suggestion: Response to Will

*Consumer Comment: tnt silverlabs 1male 1 female both have health problems

*Consumer Comment: More Info on Hunter

*Consumer Suggestion: How to avoid being ripped off by silver Lab breeders.

*Consumer Comment: Male Born on Dec 18 06

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Keep Digging, Trevor Baby...

*Consumer Comment: victim basher

*Consumer Comment: WOW! I'm Shocked!

*Consumer Comment: Colin and other victims.

*Author of original report: I Feel Your Pain, Colin.

*Consumer Comment: I'm shaking I'm so angry

*Author of original report: The Bottom Line

*Consumer Comment: Reputable Breeders

*Consumer Comment: Reply to Misty

*Consumer Comment: Worried ...

*Consumer Comment: Disgusting

*Consumer Suggestion: Mrs Hindle

*Consumer Comment: Dear Mrs. Hindle

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: I Can't Believe You People!

*Consumer Suggestion: check your akc registration

*Author of original report: The New Zealand Labrador Club

*Consumer Suggestion: Mitchem?

*Consumer Comment: RESPONSE TO TRACY

*Consumer Suggestion: Why hasn't the AKC taken notice of this report????

*Consumer Comment: Dear Mrs Hindle

*Consumer Comment: Dear Mrs Hindle

*Consumer Comment: Dear Mrs Hindle

*Consumer Comment: Dear Mrs Hindle

*Consumer Comment: Tracy...

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Andria is such a reputable breeder!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Misty

*Consumer Comment: Misty and any others.

*Consumer Comment: Andria - about OFA certifications (CERF too)

*Consumer Comment: Andria - about OFA certifications (CERF too)

*Consumer Comment: Andria - about OFA certifications (CERF too)

*Consumer Comment: Misty, about breeding your girl...

*Consumer Comment: Answers For Andria

*Consumer Comment: Misty and any other victims.

*Consumer Comment: I'M ANOTHER VICTIM

*Consumer Comment: hello

*Consumer Suggestion: Back To You Jenny

*Consumer Comment: Hi, Everybody!

*Consumer Comment: Hi, Mary!

*Consumer Comment: It Makes me Sick!!!

*Author of original report: Please, Hear Us Out

*Consumer Comment: one more point.

*Consumer Comment: What I am doing.

*Consumer Comment: Response to Andria

*Consumer Comment: Response

*Consumer Comment: Owners of Winston and Guage

*Consumer Comment: Hi, Andria

*Consumer Comment: Response to Shari and others

*Author of original report: Our Dogs Can't Talk, But We'll Speak For Them...

*Consumer Comment: Response to Ruthie and any others

*Consumer Comment: Kim

*Consumer Comment: Tnt solution

*Consumer Comment: Shocked

*Consumer Suggestion: Shady Folks

*Author of original report: I forgive you, Tracey.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Lab Lover First and Foremost

*Consumer Comment: Not Australia New Zealand

*Author of original report: Can't Hide From the Internet...

*Consumer Comment: TNT Now In New Zealand!

*Consumer Suggestion: .. A TYPICAL TALE OF TNT - UPDATE

*Consumer Comment: My TNT lab

*Consumer Comment: My TNT lab

*Consumer Comment: My TNT lab

*Consumer Suggestion: Info on TNT sold labs

*Consumer Comment: Silver Lab

*Consumer Suggestion: How to Buy a Labrador

*Author of original report: THANXS, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS!

*Author of original report: THANXS, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS!

*Author of original report: THANXS, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS!

*Author of original report: THANXS, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS!

*Consumer Comment: Tnt Silver Labradors Blonde Lab Pups Tracy Mitchem

*Consumer Comment: Gray Lab???

*Consumer Suggestion: Love of her life QUARENTINED?!

*Consumer Comment: INFORMATION

*Consumer Comment: INFORMATION

*Consumer Comment: INFORMATION

*Consumer Comment: INFORMATION

*Consumer Suggestion: Possible Info

*Consumer Suggestion: LEXI'S PARENTS

*Consumer Suggestion: Pedigree

*Consumer Comment: Just an Update

*Consumer Comment: TNT Labs

*Consumer Comment: Buy Elsewhere

*Consumer Suggestion: Report Them

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: I worked for TNT labs for 10 years and can honestly say that 99% of all the cusomers have been very happy and well rewarded for buying a pup from TNT.

*Consumer Comment: Thank you, Mike

*Consumer Comment: What a joke...

*Consumer Comment: 5 weeks is way too young to take a puppy away from the dam and littermates

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: TNT LABS......My LOVE My LIFE

*Author of original report: Thanks Trevor, for enlightening us.

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My husband and I and 2 excited kids traveled 12 hours one way to NC to pick out our Silver Lab Puppy. She was only 5 weeks old.



I was pretty shocked at the environment since the website looks so darling. It was obvious that they are only in it for the money and after we left I felt that we had actually saved one puppy's life.

Eight months later we find that Lexi has a serious case of Hip Dysplasia in both hips. One side wasn't even in the socket!

Since Tracy's website clearly stated that the puppies were guarenteed for 2 years against the disease, with half of your money back or a replaced puppy (which she has since removed and conveniently restated) I decided to call her and let her know the situation.

She agreed to giving me half of my money back. I didn't want to put Lexi down, she is one of the family and we love her deeply. She is not Silver either, like we were assured She would be. We were also guarenteed that Lexi would be a stocky Lab. Her body is chocolate and she's narrow.

I've kept every single e-mail from both sides. I contacted Tracy in Aug. of 05 and it is now Jan of 06. we have not seen one penny of what was guarenteed to us. I sent Tracy the X-rays of Lexi's hips immediately. She puts me off by telling me that she did send a check. Then her computer was down when I tried to tell her a month later, that we never recieved it and that maybe she should go with the way we paid her our down payment, PayPal.

Then she was "out of the country for several weeks". We paid 1,000.00 for Lexi and over 600.00 for her surgery so that she could live a half way normal life and we keep getting put off and put off.

I've been very friendly and extremly patient with Tracy giving her nothing less than the benefit of the doubt and she has done nothing but take advantage of us. Maybe it's because we live so far away, I don't know.

I am not one to complain or bash someone over the internet but I felt I needed to put this out there in order to ensure that noone goes through what our family (of 4 kids) has gone through. Thank you for listening. I have pictures of Lexi's post-surgery and all of our emails if anyone's interested.
Blessings to all,

Shari in Michigan

Shari
Decatur, Michigan
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

The Latest Developments

AUTHOR: Howie - (New Zealand)

Trevor Hindle phoned a reputable breeder about an adult choc Lab b***h she had for sale and when the breeder eventually found out it was him she told him that there was no way she would sell a silver breeder one of her dogs. Hindle has used several different accents in his many phone calls to this breeder trying to pretend he was somebody else. He used a Kiwi accent, an American accent and a posh English accent.

When he got refused he hired a surrogate buyer from Hamilton to buy the b***h and she pretended that she wanted it as a pet for her son. The b***h was sold as a pet which meant no breeding papers would be made available. The surrogate buyer then turned the b***h over to the Hindles. It turns out that the surrogate buyer is also involved in trying to breed silver Labs.

The orginal breeder found out the truth and immediately requested the b***h be returned for a full cash refund but the surrogate buyer said NO WAY because the b***h was no longer on her property. Hindle then took the breeders to court to get NZKC ownership papers for the b***h. The case was heard at the Hamilton District Court on the 1st of October 2008. Hindle lost and was not allowed to have the breeding papers but he was allowed to keep the b***h minus her NZKC paperwork. Now he just lies and tells people that he was sold the b***h direct from the breeders and never mentions that he used a con artist to acquire this b***h. He tries to pretend that the original breeder is a "snooty" breeder who conned him into buying a b***h with no papers. The man is incredible.

So he bred the b***h anyway (twice so far) . Her second litter has been registered offshore with the Continental Kennel Club. People in NZ need to know that if you buy a pup with CKC papers it cannot be shown or bred in NZ under NZ Kennel Club rules. He advertised one pup from the litter for $1200 with CKC papers. Whoever has bought it has also been ripped off so maybe they might contribute to this website one day too.

Buyers need to know that the only dog Hindle has that has been properly screened for inherited disorders like hip and elbow dysplasia and eye problems is the one he conned out of the NZ breeder. There are a few dodgy breeders in NZ who have let themselves down by allowing him to use their stud dogs to produce even more Silversky litters. Shame on them too.

Trevor and Tracey Hindle are extremely convincing liars and it is easy to see how they trick so many people into buying their dogs. Don't be fooled and if you don't believe all the victims here on the Rip Off Report then go ask any of the NZ Labrador clubs about this person and his wife. To anybody out there thinking of buying any Labradors with Silversky blood please ask for advice first.
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#2 Consumer Comment

MURPHY

AUTHOR: Roger - (New Zealand)

Hi there.
We have 1 of Tracy and Trevor's dogs..Murphy. We have had NO problems with him at all. He is a beautiful dog, well bred, who we picked up at 7 weeks...no mention of anything earlier. He is dark chocolate, has top elbow and hip scores and no skin problems or conditions.
We found both Tracy and Trevor very kind and helpful when dealing with them. They had a great set up for their kennels and their dogs appeared to be well kept.
It is sad that some people have had problems but Labradors as a breed have tendancies to all of these problems not just the Hindles dogs. Of course if they are breedin large numbers then a greater percentage are going to have problems.

Shari and Andari..i've spent 1/2 hour on this website reading all of your bitching and snarky comments and am sick of it. Get a grip and get a life. Spend as much time on a job or business as you do on this website and im sure you'd be very successful
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#3 Consumer Comment

Current New Zealand advert for Hindle's pups

AUTHOR: Gabrielle - (New Zealand)

It's been a long time since my first post but I thought you may be interested to know Trevor Hindle is still breeding and selling his dubious Labradors here in New Zealand. Only yesterday one of his unfortunate puppy buyers was forced to have her 17 month old "Silver" Lab put to sleep due to severe HD in both hips. Surgery at a cost of NZ $8000 dollars was beyond their means and by no means a guarranteed answer to their severly disabled dog's future quality of life. This poor dog also suffered from horrendous skin conditions. She is now free from pain having left her devastated owners grieving and well and truly out of pocket financially. These people paid NZ $1500 for this pup and have received no support, assistance or compensation from the Hindles. They are considering taking legal action.
Here is a link to Hindle's latest and possibly last litter advertised on a New Zealand auction website.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Pets-animals/Dogs/Dogs/auction-186064630.htm
I have heard the Hindles are leaving New Zealand leaving more distressed buyers behind them. Sadly during their time here they have managed to infiltrate our bloodlines by using partners in crime posing as genuine buyers to purchase pups on their behalf from unsuspecting breeders so they can use them for their own dodgy breeding practices.Tracey is allegedly returning to the States whilst Trevor plans to head to Australia......lucky them! It's a small world when it comes to New Zealand and Aussie so let's hope Trevor Hindle's reputation precedes him.
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#4 Consumer Comment

tracey hindle, also known as tracey mitchem

AUTHOR: Pat - (U.S.A.)

Tracey Mitchem(Tracey Hindle) was once a federal inmate and can be found on the federal prison inmate locator. She was released in 1982 according to the records on the internet. Thought I would just mention that since no one else has.
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#5 Consumer Comment

Coming back to the United States?

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

I read on another site where the Hindles were talking about moving back overseas. I don't know if that means that are coming back to the United States or if it is just one of them moving back or if both are trying to come back here. I just thought that everyone on this site should be aware of it.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Little Bit of Red

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

The yellow male that Mrs --- still owned back this past summer has now been registered with the AKC. This is one of the puppies from the litter that we were cheated out of pick of the litter puppy that were born in august 2005. It is kind of funny that they would claim the puppies belong to Shaggy for over two years, but then name him after my dog Red, so maybe they are saying he is a "little bit of red' after all. Thanks for at least acknowledging that much.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Good Try Trevor AKA Faith/Julie

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

Trevor has now invented himself as Faith and Julie.........I don't know what the deal is with him being female, but he certainly has multiple personalities. That comes out at times of pressure. Maybe Mr Hindle will think about apologizing to all the victims on this site for what he has done and then maybe things will get quiet for him...
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#8 Consumer Comment

Hindle/Faith

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

It seems that Mr Hindle has now tried to change himself from being an employee of TNT kennels to "faith" a disgruntled buyer of a fox red female lab from me. He has now posted rip off reports about me,my husband,my website, etc on the internet. It is ashamed that he couldn't have invented a better story, but it is funny that if you took my name out of it and put his name into it the story it would look very familiar to everybody on this report.

Who delivers a dog to Statesville from Albemarle when the person lives in Charlotte? Someone from Hickory? Who met people away from their kennel? Who's kennel has been reported to be unfit for dogs to be in? Who didn't honor warranties and guarantees that they had listed on their website? Who charged outrageous prices for dogs? Had excessive litters?Made a ton of money off others? Who had dogs with genetic defects?Who used fake pictures to sale their puppies? Who is in trouble with the AKC? I love the fact that he told me that 7 litters a year gets inspected by AKC, I have never had 7 litters in a year but he would know since he registered dogs in other people's names to avoid the inspection.

I quess he doesn't realize that our rat terriers and labradoodles aren't even registered with the AKC. Wow, I am now breeding breeds that I don't have any dogs for, still can't figure where that came from. I quess he chose the red female for his story since the red female was what he was supposed to give to me for stud service of using our dog. Well, we finally got our one red female and I certainly wouldn't sale her to him. Who has the criminal record? Who was deported, who was the federal inmate?????

I quess the list of similarities can go on and on... Seems that "faith" knows the Hindles have six dogs in NZ and 12 years experience, then maybe she should have bought her imaginary dog from them. It was very interesting reading.
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#9 Consumer Comment

Hello

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

Hello S, Big Red is a beautiful fox red labrador, he reminds me of clifford the BIG RED dog on dogster. He has beautiful puppies in three shades of red/yellow, so talk to you again friend.
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#10 Consumer Comment

Contact?

AUTHOR: S - (U.S.A.)

Is there a way to contact you by email?
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#11 Consumer Comment

Hello, Would like to know more.

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

I read the last comment. I would be curious to know when you got the three dogs from TNT labs and which people that you want to talk with, who the parents of your dogs are and some more of the situation or what you know regarding the dogs and this couple. I also wanted to point out they are several reports running on this couple under TNT and now under silversky labs. They are still in business just now in another country. I am the person that they defrauded about the parentage of the puppies when they used our stud to breed their female, but then claimed the puppies were from their stud. I was curious if you might have one of those dogs from that litter as there were a few that were never registered. Thanks so much, look forward to learning more.
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#12 Consumer Comment

OH NO!!!!

AUTHOR: S - (U.S.A.)

I have read these post for the last 3 hours and I am soooo disgusted!
OMG,,, so sad...
I have 3 lab dogs from TNT's and all the parents are as listed above. Unbelievable. I just dont know what else to say. There are a couple of you I would like to talk to thru emails. From what I see we cant post that type of info here. Then how do we go about doing that?
I have a pup from the exact same litter as someone mentioned above. And I have alot of insight about the situation. I just dont have the time to go into it right now.

I am so HAPPY Lexi is doing better. You are very lucky to have each other. That is a Great that he will be fine.
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#13 Consumer Comment

Doesn't surprize me.

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

I read the last comment and it doesn't surprize me, what is scary is that they are probably still breeding some of the same dogs that produced all the sick puppies in the United States to begin with. In our case with the Hindles, I am still looking for puppies/dogs from a litter born on 8-29-2005 and registered to TNT's Angel Eyed Shaggy and Princess Penny of Dalsingona. In case anybody doesn't realize what happened in our case, the Hindles' used our dog Big Red for stud service and then when it got time for us to pick out the pick of the litter puppy, Mrs Hindle claimed the father was their dog and registered the puppies to their dog and sold the puppies as coming from their stock, of which they were reported to AKC, which did nothing about this.

Mrs Hindle also strung along a customer about who the father of this litter was, telling them the father was Big Red until the day they came to pick up their puppy, then she told them the father was Shaggy. I found that four of the seven of the puppies from that litter ended up registered through AKC, but in the process of looking for these puppies and making reports on rip off report, I found out that Mrs Hindle has had a male puppy from that litter this whole time, she left the puppy with someone here in North Carolina to care for and was just recently trying to sale that puppy, now dog.

I hope whomever ends up with this dog will see rip off report and realize that there is questions about the parentage of the dog. I hope that anyone who reads this will realize that this whole time she could have been doing a DNA test on this dog because she was still the owner of the dog. She could have also put the mother Princess Penny's DNA on file so this question of parentage could have been put to rest by now. AKC has to have Penny's DNA to confirm parentage. In my opinion if the Hindles haven't bothered to put the DNA's on file after almost two years and prove me wrong about the parentage then they are hiding something and don't want the true parentage to come out. I understand that the Hindles are now trying to sell some "silvers" in New Zealand. Several victims on rip off report have "silvers" with defects, several puppies with problems came from the same sets of parents, the same bloodlines or relatives, or were even from the very same litter. Beware that not all their dogs were probably registered this way, but some have the tnt kennel name as part of the dog's registered name, it might be useful to look at this the OFA website and AKC website, several of the dog's names have already been mentioned on rip off report as being parents of problem puppies.

Be aware of, past buyers have already had to deal with the heartache over sick and problem dogs, lost money over vet care, much less the high price they paid for the dogs to begin with.
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#14 Consumer Suggestion

Some advice for Silversky Labradors (ex TNT Labradors)

AUTHOR: Andrew - (New Zealand)

My wife and I have been searching for a Lab pup for some time.
Last year my wife telephoned Mr Hindle about a litter of puppies he had for sale on the internet.

She asked him lots of questions but he didn't ask her any. He never asked if our home and lifestyle was suitable for one of his puppies.
He told us that we could take a female puppy who was just over four weeks old.

My wife thought this was far too young and said she thought a pup should be at least eight weeks old before it could be sold.

Mr Hindle replied that the mother was no longer feeding the litter so they could go to new homes anytime. He said they would eat anything.

My wife made her excuses and hung up. We were shocked at a so called breeder letting a pup leave it's mother at such a young age. We have read some of the reports on this page and now realise that this is what he always does with his pups.

Our advice to Mr Hindle is that he would have a much better reputation if he did things the right way. Does it cut his profit margins too much to keep puppies until they are old enough to leave home?

We will not be buying a pup from this kennel. They have a new litter of silver pups advertised on their website and we hope he waits until they are at least eight weeks old before he sells them. If we find out he is selling pups too young we will be contacting animal welfare so that they can teach him how to breed dogs the kind way.
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#15 Consumer Comment

Alicia

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

I am sorry to hear that your dog is having problems. I hope and pray that things turn out well for you and him today. I am curious did you by chance get him in 2004 instead of 2005? You mentioned he was three years old. I am interested with your information because Shaggy is involved in our situation that we have with the Hindles.

The puppies from our situation with the Hindles were born August 29, 2005. Those puppies are registered to Shaggy but belong to our dog. I believe that the Hindles used us in the way they did, because they knew Shaggy's genetics were a problem and they were trying to hide that by using another dog's genetics, but selling the puppies as Shaggy's.

Shaggy is also the father of the litter involving my sister-in-law's problems with the Hindles. Both of those puppies from that litter had hip displasia at less than a year old. I also know that Shaggy was one of their main studs, but he quickly showed up for sale on their website during the time we were going through our situation with them.

I don't know much about the Holly. I would like to research her if I could get her full registered name from you and if I have your dog's name I can research some things about his siblings from the litter he was from. Don't mean to ask so much in a time like this, but it might help somebody else that is also having problems with their dogs. Keep us posted.
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#16 Consumer Comment

Another unfortunate result of overbreeding

AUTHOR: Alicia - (U.S.A.)

I purchased my black lab from Tracey in 2005. I picked him up at only 5 wks old as well. Tracey had stated that was the age she took them away from the mother. My boy is fathered by Angel Eyed Shaggy and Holly. I felt if they were going to be away from the mother, i might as well assume ownership at that time.

I picked him up at the Hingle's home in HIckory, NC. I do not know what a "puppy mill" looks like. My instictns did not tell me that this was an money making business. Tracey kept in contact with me before my boy was born. I got pics emailed to me of the entire litter, hours after being born.

I was emailed pictures at around 4 weeks as well. My baby picked me, i interacted with all of them, some whites and some blacks, but my baby chose me. At that moment, i knew, he was the one! I was so excited! I had been waiting for him. His name was already picked out.

My boy had absolutely no problems at all. Completely healthy, and happy. He is the best dog ever! He loves affection to no end. Loves to run and play. Loves other dogs of all ages, sizes and breeds and has never shown any aggression at all. He is my baby and will forever be. He is three years old now, and i do beleive he may have the hip dysplasia, not only until very recenently has he been showing signs. I had viewed the reports and was shocked and saddened by the various reports from people. I first thought, no, this cant be the same breeder. But as i read on, i feard the worst was true.
We have an appointment today for some xrays. He is not walking or putting weight on his back right leg. He's not in any apparent pain, he eats, he tries to walk/run, but you know just by looking at his baby face, "there's something wrong mama".

I cried all night worried that my baby is going to be in pain for his life. He's young, he's energetic and full of life.
I dont know what i can do if i find out he has this disease.

I will update as i know

Alicia
Raleigh, NC
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#17 Consumer Comment

Hello

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

Hello Will, I see that the parents of your dog are listed previously in the rip off reports by Mrs H as dogs that she has with her in New Zealand. So, it sounds to me that the Hindles' are still breeding these same dogs. The skin conditions and thyroid problems mentioned on several of the post are most likely genetic issues and being that the Hindles are still breeding the same dogs, there will be more and more sick puppies coming from their breeding stock for the future. That is a real shame, good breeders would not be breeding dogs that they know are producing sick puppies and puppies with genetic problems.

I can see with all the posts about skin conditions, thyroid problems, hip dysplasia, etc that the dogs from the Hindles have a lot of genetic issues going on. Even the dogs with the timid shy behavior might also be genetic related. The bad thing about this is all these owners now have dogs that also shouldn't be bred because of the genetic problems being passed on to future generations.

The Hindles were involved in a lot of bad business practices with their dogs and dog breeding, but I am certain that isn't the only problems that they have had.. Now, they are in New Zealand doing the same thing all over again. They have another kennel there and are still breeding dogs. I feel for all the victims on rip off report and for the future victims because they are still in business. I see from the public access system for Catawba County, NC civil process that their house here in NC is in foreclosure status.

They ripped off a lot of people and charged outrageous prices for sick lab puppies, but yet didn't pay their bills and taxes. Now, they have another home and kennel in another country and back doing business as usual. I am sure they are now continuing to rip off others. Will, you are certainly another victim of the Hindles, but fortunately you now have the dog and they don't, so the chances have greatly improved for him to survive and thrive in his life.
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#18 Consumer Suggestion

Response to Will

AUTHOR: Jenny - (U.S.A.)

Will,
My dog Winston has very similar problems (there's a few posts about him already). I put him on all natural dog food as soon as I got him and he was on all different kinds of all natural for the first year. Even foods like Wellness Simple Solutions which are for itching didn't work. I decided to try Iams Large Breed and remarkably its gotten somewhat better. He still has those same bald spots but they are smaller. When he is sleeping I put Neosporin Cream (not the ointment) and those big bandaids. Hope this helps a little!
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#19 Consumer Comment

tnt silverlabs 1male 1 female both have health problems

AUTHOR: Dawn - (U.S.A.)

shair
hope all is well with your dog now.I have got 2 silver labs for TracyHindle in 4/04 abrother and sister.Ikeeped the male and my sister-in-law took the female we smokey was a puppy his fur and skin was very dry and brittle as he got olded his fur was falling out on the sides of his stomach.

my sister-in-law took her female to the vet had blood work done she had thyiord problems.So the next day i took smokey to the Vet and his thyorid was not even working and he had a bad infecting running through his system.he keeped bump on his body that would bust open with infection.

we were at the vets all the time with him he also had issues with has behavior he would jump on you we anything loud was running and bow down to the ground when he would get near another dog that is in my house i have 4 other labs and never had no trouble with them.

his health was doing so bad and his mood swings were getting worst the Vet told us the best thing to to was have him put down that was the worst day of my life.
If anyone out there has dogs that came from TNT texas Lone star & Silver Sally Schwartz Pease have there thyorid juecked my Somkey got to a 124 Pounds.

Good Luck to all that have Puppies from TNT labs
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#20 Consumer Comment

More Info on Hunter

AUTHOR: Will - (U.S.A.)

I am the owner of Hunter as mentioned earlier.

I have some information about his blood line that some of you might not have.
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Parents
Sire-"TNT'S Bogard Bomber" SR14124505
Dam- "TNT"S Brown Magic Mountain" SR05811711

Grand Parents (Dam)

Sire-"SS Quick Silver" DNA #V73958 SN37668202
Dam- "TNT's Black Magic Eve" OFA30G SN88331501

Grand Parents (sire)

SireSir Jacobs of Golden Pond-DNA#V281282 SN84300909
Dam "TNT'S Queen of Sheba OFA30G SN69292104

Great Grand Parents contain 3/8 DNA
and 1/8 OFA
*I have all info but in the interest of reader friendlyness I opted to exclude it.*
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My problem I have with Hunter is that he has these bald spots on his sides, towards his back legs. He once got the same spots on his ankles. I was given all kinds of things from a Vet including an anti-fungal, anti-biotic, and checked for Mange.

He also often gets a rash on his skin, which is treted by a steriod(prednisone?)

I feed him "Innova", which is an all natural food.

If anyone with has a dog with similar problems could you please contact me to let me know how to treat this. Perhaps, all of our dogs have the same food allergen, or some type of genetic problem.

As far as I know his hips are fine and he is very active, but I know to watch for it closer now.

Hopefully, some one has something to contribute.
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Hunter's Deameanor

Extremely Smart, fast learner.
He is in his 3rd level of obedience school and I hope to get his CGC done with in 3 months.

The problem with this is that he has always been shy, but only to people. He is very playful with other dogs, people that are with other dogs, but with just people he gets scared.

I dont want this to sound like I am implying that this is a effect of bad breeding, some dogs are just shy...I suppose.
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If you made it this far congratulations, I hope this was helpful to someone. If anyway can help me please let me know.

Will

Pics of Hunter at the address below
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CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
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#21 Consumer Suggestion

How to avoid being ripped off by silver Lab breeders.

AUTHOR: Barbara - (New Zealand)

After wading through all the reports here from people who have bought a TNT silver Lab it seems to me that if they had done their research they could have avoided a lot of anguish. I can only feel sorry for those poor people who have suffered at the hands of unscrupulous breeders.

Firstly, if you visit any Lab Club website plus the website of the Labrador Retriever Club of America you will see that there is no such animal as a silver/charcoal Lab. Genetically it is impossible for a Labrador to mutate into silver or charcoal. It has never happened anywhere in the world before a handful of people in the USA who kennelled Labs and Weimaraners side by side allowed one breed to mismate with the other and then passed the mongrel pups off as a rare new colour mutation.

Also, why did nobody ask to see OFA and CERF certificates before they bought one of these unfortunate pups?

The general consensus from people who have bought from the Hindles is that the pups are undersized, diseased, suffering from seizures, dysplastic in hips and elbows. They appear to be temperamentally unstable in almost every case. This is more than likely the result of the inbreeding the Hindles have to do to maintain the Weimaraner colouring in the pups.

Latest news from NZ is that two different puppy buyers who purchased pups from TNT (now Silversky Labs) have already gotten rid of their pups purchased from the Hindles via an internet auction site. This is not a good start to their history in NZ bearing in mind that they have only sold 2 litters so far.

Silversky Labradors (formerly TNT Labradors) has been registered with the NZ Government Companies Office as a limited liability company known as Silver Sky Kennels Ltd. Obviously the Hindles have plans to make silver Lab breeding a good income for themselves. The only director and shareholder noted on their company file is Trevor John Hindle. All this information is available to the general public for free on the NZ Government Companies Office website.

I hope more people will read this and do a lot more research into silver "Labs" before they buy one and make the biggest mistake of their lives. If you are contemplating buying a Lab please ask any breed club in whatever country you live to give you some advice on what is and what isn't a real pedigree Labrador.
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#22 Consumer Comment

Male Born on Dec 18 06

AUTHOR: Will - (U.S.A.)

Hi Everyone.

I am the owner of Hunter, a male choc lab born on 12-18. I also live in Mt. Holly, NC.

Hunter is a very intelligent dog, but very shy. He also has bald spots on one side. He has been tested for mange (sp) and was negative.

If anyone is still reading this post please let me know, as I have several questions.

I'm sorry to hear about many of your dogs. But there can be much insight to gain about our dogs health by sharing medical histories.

Thank You

Will
Mt. Holly, NC
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#23 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Keep Digging, Trevor Baby...

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

...huh?

I don't have the time to read the entire post above taken from what appears to be a thread partaking from behind the scenes, however as I skim over it, one small part does seem to just jump out:

"...opportunity to submit her xrays to the OFA and she would have been honmoured with our warranty but to descend into name calling and childish behaviour will get its reward - nothing."

Apparently this was allegedly said by our precious Trevor about yours truly (me).
This doesn't even deserve a response but here I go anyway:

I jumped through ALL of your hoops, OFA recommendations included, Mr. Hindle and you know it. I shouldn't have to prove myself once again for the benefit of your idiocy.
I don't believe in calling names but I do believe in standing up for what is right. I'm not going to go away, Mr. Hindel, I will stand here for as long as I need to (Lexi's right next to me), to watch you wither. You've been publicly called out and so you dig your hole deeper.

On a lighter note: I really appreciate your taking the time to writing in, Debra, and I'm so happy to hear that your Lab is gorgeous and healthy. Thank you as well for your well wishes towards Lexi, she's doing great. She's mama's girl, that's for sure. :)
I hope everyone is staying warm and cozy this week.
Take care and God bless!
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#24 Consumer Comment

victim basher

AUTHOR: Doggy - (U.S.A.)

Hello, Please refer to the site ripoffreport On ripoffreport put TNT in the search block and you will find two reports about Trevor and Tracy Hindle and a kennel called TNT silver labs. Please read the reports. These are just some of the victims of the Hindles in these reports. The Hindles have a website called nzsilverlabs. If you go to that website and look on the home page, you will see that they have used a link to your website to promote their silver labs, which is how I got your website and email address. These people have a bad reputation as dog breeders. Maybe you gave them permission to use your link to promote their dog business, but if you didn't you might want to be aware of it. Thank you.

Hello,

I appreciate you emailing me, but may I ask who this is? Your email lacks any kind of personal identification, and there is not even a name, as a signature, on your email below. I would take your concern "more seriously" and think that there may be some merit to your concern that you have listed, if you would please, at least, let me know who you are, a name, anything????? Where are you located? I look forward to hearing back from you.
Thank you,
HOLLIE

Where and how your website is being used shouldn't be my concern, however, it might concern you since your website/business is now linked and associated with their's which is all over rip off report. What you do with this information is your business. Good day.

Hello again,
I kind of thought that this would be the type of response I would get, and again with no identity. So basically what you are saying, is that you will not let me know who you are?????? I really think that by not giving me your identity, that it raises some concern on my end as to what your true motives are. Why are you hiding behind your email?
I would like to tell you how I work, in life, I NEVER believe anything I hear about someone else, I never believe anything I read on anyones website, regarding other people, (especially other breeders as in this case) and I only believe things if I know first hand that it is true, and without experiencing issues myself, in regards to anyone, I do not believe anything I read on the Web, or anything I hear about anyone else, period. The web unfortunatly can be used for good and for bad and its a real shame that there are even those out there that run sites like this ripoffreport and worse yet those that fuel them. Sites like this do nothing to promote anything good, and certainly they dont promote PEACE, in anyway, and certainly dont demonstrate any kind of Christian principles at all. There is enough turmoil in this world we live in, we dont need more negativity in regards to anything. Too bad people cant be more positive.

I also find that a lot of people use email, as well as the web, to hide their identities, and at the same time ruin someone elses reputation, by mentioning and posting information about others, true or not, and that is ashame. Im sorry, I have to believe that if you were sincere, and you truly believed in the information listed on this fraud site, against the Hindles, that you have told me about, you would have been up front with your identity to begin with, and I wouldnt have had to ask you who you were. It would seem that you would have nothing to hide. And now you still wil not let me know who you are? I find that suspicious.
I do not know the Hindles at all, Ive never even talked to them, but I did receive a couple emails, just last week from them, they were telling me how much opposition they are recieving from the NZ breeders (and I know that to be TRUE as Ive personally dealt with some of these NZ MYSELF, and they can be very rude). Its a real shame that people have to act like this also. Ive looked at their NZ silver lab site and the context in which the link to my site is being used, and there seems to be nothing wrong with the way they are using that link. The context in which the link is being used is nothing more than a link for reference purposes, on the Dilute Labradors (silvers and charcoals as we call them), for those that are interested in the Dilute Labradors, and for those that would like more, true information about them. Whatever we can do to bring more positve exposure to these beautiful Dilute colors, the better. I dont see where the link to my site is promoting THEIR own dogs, or the sale of their own puppies, as you have said. It merely directs their website readers to 2 different reference sites on the Dilute Labrador, my site (Red Rock/Silver Hill) as well as Nancys (Silvertone) site, as "Informative Websites" and asks readers to "Check out these very informative websites". It also points out that "Breeders like these" (like Nancy and I) are breeding carefully and selectively, and they state that they too are trying to do the same thing. Im sorry I dont see where this links me or my breeding program with, or associates me with anyone. I am not associated with, nor am I partners with ANYONE besides those that are clearly listed on my site. I list my partners on my website, very specifically, as I do not want to be associated with anyone elses breeding program or practices. I take responsibility for my own breeding program.

I own a very lucritive corporation, that our family has owned and operated for over 30 years now, and Ive been doing this hobby (dog breeding) for a very long time and Ive run into all sorts of people during these times, and there are just some people that you can not please, no matter what you do, and after reading (which I had done previously by the way, about 6months ago) this 'terrible' ripoffreport site, that you referred me to in your email below, any balanced person can clearly see that they are cashing in on those people that are never happy nor satisfied, and who have nothing more to do with their time, than to try to ruin others reputations, because somthing didnt go their way. Im sorry, I have much more important things in life to worry about than whether or not someone I bought a dog from guarantees it, or not. Ive bought many a dog, in fact many many an EXPENSIVE dog, that turned out with faults or Dysplasia, many different things, and I have never gotten a dime back from anyone, it just happens and it is part of the business. Its a living thing and its just a chance you take. But you dont go around posting comments about everyone on these websites. People need to grow up, and act like adults and start worrying about real things that need to be worried about. Its too bad people dont practice more of the things that could make this world a better place, such as love and kindness, etc.

So unless you want to provide me with your name and proper contact information, (which I dont think is probably going to happen) then I will just chalk this up to another situation where people use the internet as a "Hide Behind". Thank you for your concern though, and may God bless you.
sincerley,
HOLLIE Trevor response I think you got s..t on your face from a real,honest to goodness American who can see you for what you are - nothing but a s..t stirring, no good don't have enough brains to work your way out of a wt paper bag,sub human can't think of anything better to do than try to knock what some else is doing. GET A LIFE. I hope you take to heart the things Hollie wrote and learn a real life lesson on humanity or is this expectation way over wishful thinking on my part. Anyone who subscribes and I mean pays money to rip off report with the intention of trying to ruin another's legitimate pursuits in life ought to be ripped off and I have faith that such people as yourself will reap what you sow - dissension and negativity willl come back to you 10 fold.

It truly amazes me how at least two people on that site were once full fo praise for us and the dogs they got from us and then by listening to the rantings of the rest of you changed their opinion and joined in on the chorus of evil spirit inspired mumblings. Don't you all have better things to do with ;your time. Go volunteer at a soup kitchen or something. Yes there are outcomes of events we would have liked to have changed but all our warranties that we have honoured have come about without all the hatred and innuendo, name calling etc that you subscribe to. The person that startedd all this had her opportunity to submit her xrays to the OFA and she would have been honmoured with our warranty but to descend into name calling and childish behaviour will get its reward - nothing.

So take heed you moron, Hollie is a saint and the things she tried to enlighten you with may lead you into a higher state of consciousness. Otherwise continue to roll in your own filth and take your place amongst the lost souls in the hell of your own making.
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#25 Consumer Comment

WOW! I'm Shocked!

AUTHOR: Debra - (U.S.A.)

WOW! I am completely shocked at this site . . . I was about this () close to referring a friend to TNT and went to Google to search for their website to forward to her and found this right on top! I printed out this entire thread, went home and spent almost 2 hours reading everything here. I am just amazed and totally speechless!

I am also an owner of a TNT Silver Lab named Kali. She is the daughter' of Tex and Silver Sally. She was born February 27, 2004 and we bought her the following April when my husband and I drove to Hickory to see a Red Fox female lab we inquired about the day before. What hit a nerve with me when I read this thread is that when we arrived we were told the same line as another person when they came to see the puppy they inquired about: my husband and I did not communicate very well and he sold the fox read female last night. I was alright with that as they had about 5 other puppies ready to be sold. 1 fox red male, 1 male chocolate and 2 silver females who were from the same litter. With no pressure from Tracy or Trevor, we selected the female silver because I wanted a female. When we arrived at TNT, both Tracy and Trevor were very polite, gave us a tour of the area which was clean, they had a barn area with 1 litter of puppies and another area where they kept the older dogs, females in one area (about 6 of them) and the males in another (7 I think). They seemed happy and healthy, as were the puppies we looked at and the puppies in the barn. While I was talking to Trevor about the Silver Lab, my husband took a look around himself to check out the place, which he said looked fine. We paid $500 for our Kali. We received all the paperwork from Tracy about a month after we brought her home, she received a perfect bill of health from her Vet and we haven't been happier. I have had absolutely no problems with Kali except for minor ear irritations that usually flare up around April June which the Vet says are related to allergies. We treat her with Benadryl during those months. She had a full built and weights approximately 78 lbs, looks completely like a lab, and is the true gem of my life!! Loyal, lovable, mellow for her age (will be 3 this month) ,playful, extremely intelligent, and eager to please and can't wait to fetch me the newspaper every morning.

I am just completely heartsick at the problems Lexi has had. I'm just greatful you are there for her and gave your all to that precious little lady! I'm also sadden by the others who have received their puppies from TNT and have been completely mistreated' by Tracy and Trevor! I'm GRATEFUL for finding this link before I referred my friend to TNT!!

My prayers go out to all the babies who are suffering and hope they all get better. Thank God you all are in their lives! I just feel guilty that we didn't grab Kali's sister after reading this as we had contemplated doing so. I only hope she has found a loving home as well!

I will definitely make this link as a favorite and will keep reading! Good luck to you all, I sure hope that they are stopped before more problems occur!


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#26 Consumer Comment

Colin and other victims.

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

Hello Colin Colin , I certainly feel for what your dog and your family have gone through. Mrs Hindle should have notified you immediately that your puppy had been exposed to parvo. Several victims have mentioned about their puppies being sick when they got them, I wonder if they even vaccinated their puppies for parvo or anything else. I am curious as to the parents of your dog and to the owner/breeder names listed on your paperwork. Victims have mentioned different people being listed as owners/breeders for TNT bought dogs on their paperwork, of which Mrs Hindle stated that these people are her parents. The Department of Corrections(DOC) website in NC has public access to anyone that wants to research someone's criminal history. I too have been thinking about the Attorney General's office and would like to add to your report. There are several other victims who will do the same thing. I am sure that there are many more victims out there and more to come in New Zealand as they make new ones. People like these don't change their way of doing business and if victims don't speak up and seek justice, they are just going to continue to do the same things over and over again to other people. Today, I see their new site and that they continue breeding silver labs in Trevor's homeland and boasting of having the only silver lab stud there.

I am wondering how he is going to keep the silver going unless he interbreeds a lot, finds more weimeraners, or import silvers from America. I would hope that any breeders wouldn't want to help them to continue to scam other people and hurt dogs and the lab breed, but I am afraid that they will just lie,fool, and use them too or they will just find some more unscrupulous breeders like themselves to help carry on. I am already curious as to how many puppies they have sold and how many unhappy customers they have. I am sure they will eventually find this site and let us know. It is kind of ironic that he is now the spokesperson on his site for the color silver lab as silver has long been rumored to have come about from kennels breeding weimeraners to labs and frauduently registering them as purebred labs.

The breeders know that DNA can't prove the breed pureness/breed of a dog only parentage. The Hindles had no problem breeding their b***h to our stud, telling a customer buying a puppy that our stud was the father until the puppy was eight weeks old, and then telling them at the point they were picking up their puppy that it belonged to their stud and then making them wait additional time in order for them to get their pedigree papers for the puppy. Mrs Hindle didn't inform us that they had rebred their b***h to their own stud until after more than three months after the breeding took place with our stud. The puppies were almost five weeks old, when she claimed that her stud was the father. She did not DNA test all the puppies which had to be done to prove parentage. All I ask of Mrs Hindle is to DNA test the puppies and let's have the parental proof, seems very telling that they haven't wanted to do that. Wonder if lying about parentage could have been the key in the introduction of the silver lab??????? It speaks volumes. Hindles, I guess you got some more free publicity at the costs of others with sick puppies,your so called purebred puppies, and lied about Red's(bred) puppies.


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#27 Author of original report

I Feel Your Pain, Colin.

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

The only thing I can say is, AMEN and the best of luck to you, Colin.
A website designer... very interesting, me too! Let's get together and post all of Tracy's emails, shall we...?
Absolutely, they go by nz silver labs now. Add a dot com on the end and there ya go! Aka Silver Sky Labs... the list probably goes on.
Anyway, we wish you nothing but the best in your quest to recieve what is rightfully yours, Colin.
Anything I can do to help, you just let me know and I am THERE!
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#28 Consumer Comment

I'm shaking I'm so angry

AUTHOR: Colin - (U.S.A.)

Well Tracy,

As I did a search on you to begin proceeding for a lawsuit against TNT, I now see that you've moved to NZ to be with the husband who had "left you" and to start a new breeding disaster.

As I read through all of the other complaints, I'm both shocked, distraught and amazed. I'm shocked that you screwed over so many other people, I'm distraught that you lied to me so many times in your e-mails to me (all of which I've saved for court) and amazed at how defiant you are in your rebuttals. As a web designer, I am now seriously considering creating a website to post all of the lie-ridden e-mails you've sent me and to expose you--in the hopes that you don't continue in this line of work. You can't be trusted.

Everyone, a year and a few months ago we bought a "silver" lab puppy from Trevor and Tracey. Tracey and Trevor could not have been more pleasant to do business with on the phone, over e-mail, and in person when I met Trevor half way (which I paid for) between our then residences--they really had me fooled.

Long story short, a couple of days after receiving what was a beautiful puppy, Rocket stopped eating and drinking and became so lethargic, he couldn't hold his eyes open or head up. We had him this way for days and assumed him to be young and sleepy. Then in the middle of the night we took him to the vet ER. He immediately tested positive for Parvo. We were devastated. Over $4200 in ER bills later (at one point he had less than a 10% chance of living) he somewhat recovered (though we've been told the Parvo could have entered his heart and at any time in his life could drop over dead from heart failure.)

The most aggregious part of this story is that I e-mailed Tracy immediately to find out she had another puppy in the same litter that had ALSO been diagnosed with Parvo (and EXTREMELY contagious virus) 2 DAYS EARLIER, yet never took the time to contact me, or I'm assuming anyone else. The financial costs wreaked havoc on our family.

I never once asked her to cover the costs of the ER bills (even though we were given a puppy already infected), we made that choice. However, she did offer to repay the $1150 we paid days earlier to soften the blow. She never paid. I repeatedly nagged her over the next year. We even agreed to a payment plan of $100 a month because of "all of her financial problems, divorce, poisoning of dogs, etc., etc." of the $1150, she paid me two payments of $100.

I had intended to take her to court. I may stil pursue this despite the fact she's in NZ. From what my lawyer says, I'll have to file the claim in NC (which will mean a bit of a drive for me) and she'll be required to appear. If she doesn't then I believe my case should be found in my favor.

I doubt I'll be able to get her to pay since she's now living in NZ--but she'll likely have to stay there for life. I've also recently written a letter to the NC attorney general, I recommend each of you do the same. I've saved every e-mail, every promise and all doctors records, and I can assure you, the lawsuit will now be for all of the doctors bills, not to mention interest we've paid on our credit cards on the amount we had to charge in the emergency we never, ever expected.

Tracy Hindle/Mitchem, whatever your name is--you literally make me sick to my stomach. Particularly when you deny all of these claims and write this: "I would love to be able to produce a lab that never gets sick or crippled which is why I guaranteed my dogs. Wonder if any of the so called reputable breeders in NZ offer warranties?" Your warranties are not paid and my family has suffered. I dare you to threaten me with a libel/slander suit. So how are you going to disclaim this report? Shall I post the 40+ e-mails we've exchanged and my puppy's doctors bills?

If anyone has her current business name in NZ, I'd be very appreciative--her and Trevor's business is my new cause to make sure NZ's government is aware of their business practices...

Colin
Alexandria, VA
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#29 Author of original report

The Bottom Line

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Thanks, Jen, for your concern; you're 100% correct. At the time we began looking for a "Silver" we trusted TNT and respected their veiws - they had a pretty convincing, "professional" website and after talking to the couple over the phone.
Yes, we were ignorant and realize that now. Of course it's too late but we appreciate your input.

TNT had a 2 year guarentee on Hip Dysplasia. Lexi was found to have a severe case of it when she was only 8 months old. The Hindles agreed to honor the guarentee but after several months of continuous lying, deceit and mind games, they never did.
No big deal right...? The bottom line is this: TNT Labrador, Silver Sky Labrador or whatever they call themselves nowadays, are as crooked as a 3 dollar bill and the public needed to know about it.
Those two will do anything to anybody and not give a d*mn about their dogs, their puppies or who they hurt and this website readily proves that by their many victims who have posted here and who WILL continue to post here, those of whom we don't even know yet.

Miss Tracy and Trevor will get what they deserve in the end and in Lexi's (and hundreds of other dogs') honor, we'll make sure of that.
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#30 Consumer Comment

Reputable Breeders

AUTHOR: Jen - (U.S.A.)

I too am a lab breeder, active in my community in showing and training....but I would rather not list my kennel name....

While I sympathize with your problems with your dog from TNT, I am not surprised this happened to you and others.

You did not do your due dilligence in finding a reputable breeder. Silver is not an accepted Labrador color, not by the AKC, not by the Parent Club, and no matter what you hear, they are just as much a "designer dog" as Labradoodles. Any breeder that can be considered reputable by any fellow Lab breeder in the Labrador Community (WORLDWIDE) acknowledges that silver breeders are in it for the money. If you want to support such a breeder, you need to make sure that all the health certifications were done. Many of you have stated orthopedic issues, temperment issues and allergy issues. This is all very common with breeders that do not breed outside their stock and is not in it for the love of the animal, but rather the love of the almighty Dollar. With silver labs, whatever their TRUE origin, the stock must be continually be inbred to keep the coloration because bred with a normal lab, will not produce the "rare" color worth ripping the public off on.

I am not trying to bash, as I have been there purchasing a normal colored lab from a slightly questionable breeder who ended up with orthopedic issues.

But the flip side, is NO MATTER if TNT had done OFA on all the animals or not, there is no 100% guarantee that every puppy will be 100% perfect. Even from the best stock possible. And buyers need to understand that. And there are many odd people out there with a sense of entitlement that think that any "wrong" done to them is immediately a legal suit. Not saying any one of you are that way...but businesses have warranties and guarantees set up a certain way and if you don't follow the procedures, you don't get the refund. It happens in all businesses from retail to whatever else. My dog's orthopedic issues happened 2 months outside my breeder's guaranteed. I sucked it up, got her the operation and went on with life.

The way I see it is you didn't buy from a reputable breeder and you ended up with the exact thing we warn people about when they ask about how to buy a dog....a little education before a purchase goes along way.

Best of luck to you and your Lexi...I hope she lives a long and happy life despite her conditions. I can tell she is definately loved by you...I am sure she knows it. Fortunately you got her and can treat her well!!!
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#31 Consumer Comment

Reply to Misty

AUTHOR: Jenny - (U.S.A.)

Misty,
I got chills when I read your post. Winston has those same bald spots but I just attributed it to playing outside. He also shakes in his sleep and I have to shake him awake because he looks like he is convulsing. He shakes while awake sometimes too so I just hold him still until it passes. Maybe this is all normal, but I never saw this in any of the other six dogs (including 2 labs) my family has had over the years. Good luck!
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#32 Consumer Comment

Worried ...

AUTHOR: K - (U.S.A.)

Let me begin by saying I want to remain completely anonymous - I have lied about my name & state just so I can post a response.

I bought a Silver Lab pup from TNT in May of 2005. I was shocked to see this website and I wish I had seen it sooner.

My dog is a "Silver" Lab - and I love him but he's def. part Weimaraner. He is also a "shy dog" and does not like people. He doesn't hide or cry but I am a professional dog trainer and I have worked very hard with him to keep him balanced. He even passed his Canine Good Citizen although I don't real deam him as a CGC kind of a dog. He is a work in progress.

I was told that his parents' hips were guaranteed and I looked them up on the OFA website before sending any money to the Hindles. He is now a little over 1.5 years old and so far - no health problems. Knock on wood.

I wish I had seen this website sooner. I have learned an important lesson about buying a pet over the internet and will do things differently next time. As a prof. dog trainer I am ashamed of myself. I love my dog but I feel so sorry for all of you who have had problems.

The Hindles have been nothing but kind to me - however - I feel so badly to have stumbled across this website. It really changed my opinion and I am now very concerned for my dog's health and well being.

Best wishes to all of you.
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#33 Consumer Comment

Disgusting

AUTHOR: Brenda - (U.S.A.)

This whole thing is disgusting. People breeding sub standard dogs and charging a fortune for them and people buying them and wondering why they don't look right? All of you buyers should deluge AKC with a demand for a record inspection and demand DNA testing.

Labs are not supposed to be silver, and no puppy should leave at 5 weeks! That alone tells you what kind of "breeders" these are.
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#34 Consumer Suggestion

Mrs Hindle

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

When we first spoke with you, we specifially requested a Big Fox Red. You had told us on numerous occassions when we called and when we were there that you were using Big Red to breed with Penny. We also told you on numerous occassions that we DID NOT want an English lab. Andria is not the person who put doubt in our minds, you are, as you were the person who told us that Penny had been bred with Big Red up until the day that we picked our puppy up. If you are such a reputable breeder then why is it that you did not know who the sire was of our puppy until the day we picked him up??? You knew that Trevor had taken Penny over to Andria's to be bred with Big Red. You then said Trevor brought Penny back home a few days later and she REALLY came into heat a few days later, then had her bred with Shaggy.

If you wanted her bred with Big Red in the first place, then why didn't you take her back to Andria's to have her bred with Big Red when she REALLY came into heat???? And if you were able to tell Andria this now in your response, then why didn't you know this when we continued asking who the sire was of our puppy prior to picking him up??? If you knew that Big Red bred with Penny, and then bred with Shaggy, how can you be sure who the sire is without DNA testing??? It would have been nice for you to be up front and honest with us from the beginning. Can you understand how this would place doubt in our minds?


The reason we brought up the names of your parents is because they are the names on our AKC registration. If these were YOUR dogs, then why are you using your parents names on the registrations but we paid you for our puppies? Why isn't your name on the registrations if you are the owners of these dogs?
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#35 Consumer Comment

Dear Mrs. Hindle

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

This is getting really weird Mrs Hindle, I quess keeping you dogs straight isn't your only problem, looks like you have problems keeping people straight too. Maybe you should take a little more time and read the responses and who they are from and exactly what they say. But since you accuse me of talking about how much money you made, then let me add you made alot alot alot of money at other people's expense but more so you abused and destroyed alot of people's trust.

Mrs Hindle it seems the more you talk the better it gets for the rest of us victims because you certainly contradict yourself over and over again, that is what people are taking notice of. Mrs Hindle, All I asked of you from the very beginning, that day at your kennel in 2005, is to DNA test all seven puppies and make sure of the parentage, but you couldn't do the one thing that was the decent,honest, and right thing to do.
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#36 REBUTTAL Individual responds

I Can't Believe You People!

AUTHOR: Tracy - (U.S.A.)

Will it never end? I get blasted for replying and the only reason I do is because I can't stand to read all the lies and made up facts I am finding each time I come on here. It is just like whispering something in someone's ear and then telling a line of people and see what comes out in the final words!! Somehow it is ALWAYS not the truth or even close. To save all of you some time, since it is Christmas and I am sure you might have SOMETHING to do besides work on this, Erin Mitchem and Bernice Mitchem are my 80 year old parents. So call whoever you like but since I did live in the USA, the last time I checked it was legal for anyone to own a dog and breed it too! As I said before, I have nothing to hide since Andria has chosen to make it public knowledge as to my personal and private life even down to the fact that she knows how much money I made!! Does she also know how much money I spent to raise the 4 litters? I spent THOUSANDS of dollars every year on advertising alone not to mention food and vet bills! Any reputable breeder will tell you that it is NOT a profitable business and is usually done out of love for animals, which in my case is. No mention from Andria about her breeding practices and her method of finding homes for her pups! Must cost you a fortune to sit on the side of the road and sell those pups out of your truck to any fool who would buy one from you. I think people can read between the lines here and see what is going on. Well intelligent people that is.....I would have NEVER responded to any of this nonsence had it not been a bunch of misleading statements. The fact is I had to tell my side of the story and there always is 2 sides, you Know!! I am sure I have ticked off a few people in the 12 years of dealing with puppy buyers and breeders. All I can say is GET OVER YOURSELF and move on with your life...I have.
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#37 Consumer Suggestion

check your akc registration

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

We just spoke to AKC. They recommended that we write a detailed letter about what is happening to all of us (Attn: Correspondance Dept/AKC/5580 Center View Drive/ Raleigh, NC 27606). They also suggested contacting the better business bureau and the Attorney General's office as there may be something they can do as the Hindles were residence of the state of NC and the Mitchems are currently residence of the state of NC.
We are having our puppy DNA tested to compare the DNA of Shaggy/Big Red to our puppy to resolve the sireship of Riggins.

Hopefully the sire of Riggins is Andria's dog Big Red so we can ensure the health of our puppy.

As I indicated, our AKC registration shows Bernice Mitchem as the breeder for our fox red and an Ervin Mitchen for our silver (typo on names? as we sent in paperwork Tracy sent us). Please check the name of the breeder on your registrations as it seems someone has maybe found a way to get around the system. AKC told us that the Mitchem/Mitchen's still reside in NC. We assumed that all these dogs were Tracy's but in all the responses we've read, Tracy/Trevor were the people who handled the breeding. We also made out our check to Tracy Hindle even though the breeder on the AKC registrations were the Mitchem's.
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#38 Author of original report

The New Zealand Labrador Club

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Good morning.
It's a shame we can't post links on this website, however I did Google the New Zealand Labrador Club's website for Silver Lab information and found it to be VERY informative indeed.

A BIG "thank you" to you, P from Colorado Springs, Colorado for mentioning that awesome club in your latest post.

I am more convinced than ever that Lexi has the weimaraner blood; she has all the characteristics. If only I had found Blue Knight Labradors before I ran across the "Trade Me" site - I surely wouldn't be here right now, that's for sure.

I must agree, and all of you girls certainly raise some very good points... the 1,000.00+ we spent on Lexi was well worth rescuing her from the idiocy and the filth of 'TNT Labrador'.

We have all been drawn here for a reason so I truly don't want Tracy's childish, lewd behavior to have any impact in this report what-so-ever; just consider the source. ;)


Merry Christmas to you and yours!
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#39 Consumer Suggestion

Mitchem?

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

Is Mitchem Tracy's maiden name? and what is Trevor's last name? Our puppies AKC papers show Bernice and Ervin Mitchem. Tracy and Trevors names are not on our AKC papers. Isn't Shaggy supposed to be Tracy's dog? Who are Bernice and Ervin? How come Tracy was supposedly the breeder but different names are used to register these puppies??? Maybe everyone should check out their paperwork as well. Where are the Mitchem's now? Are they still breeding labs here in the US? Sounds like they are questionable too!!! Are these people also in good standing with the AKC? Our papers indicate the breeder as Bernice Mitchem for our fox red (sire: TNT's Angel Eyed Shaggy dam: Princess Penny of Dalsingona) and the breeder for our silver lab was Ervin Mitchem (sire: TNT'sTexas Lone Silver Star and dam: TNT's Precious Cindy). So who were the actual owners of TNT????

We went back and read Trevor's response when he indicated that he was an employee and he said that he personnally took all the dogs to be OFA certified. Funny part is that on our AKC papers it shows that Shaggy and Cindy are not OFA certified. Since Trevor said that all the dogs were certified, maybe AKC made a clerical error??? Ya think??? We tend to doubt that AKC would make those types of mistakes.

We also wanted to bring to everyones attention the amount of money these people have made!!! Our silver lab was $1000. and there were approx six males and we are not sure of how many females were in his litter (6 X $1000 = $6000. plus however many females)and our fox red was $650. and there were 6 or 8 puppies in his litter (6 X $650. = $3900.). Just between two litters they made almost $10,000. and there were approx 4 litters of puppies when we picked up our pups. DO THE MATH!!! Those are the ones we know about (and AKC told us they seemed to have an excessive number of litters). And this woman says she is a responsible breeder? Sounds to us like she is the one who was in it for the money!!!
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#40 Consumer Comment

RESPONSE TO TRACY

AUTHOR: Misty - (U.S.A.)

TRACY YOU MUST NOT HAVE READ EVERYTHING. MY NANY GIRL SNUGGLES WAS NOT BORN IN FEB SHE WAS BORN ON DEC 18TH SO SHE WILL BE A YEAR OLD IN A COUPLE OF DAYS SO NUMBER ONE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

I DIDN'T SAY I WAS GOING TO BREED HER THE 1ST TIME SHE GOES IN HEAT ( IF SHE EVER DOES)AND BELIEVE ME IT'S NOT ABOUT MONEY EITHER, I WOULD LOVE TO KEEP A PART OF SNUGGLES GOING ON. IF I EVER DID BREED HER WHICH I PROBABLY WILL NOT BECAUSE I AM SCARED TO I HAD PROMISED PUPPIES TO FAMILY MEMBERS.

ON THE EAR INFECTIONS SHE HAD ONE THE DAY WE BROUGHT HER HOME AND WE TAKE VERY GOOD CARE OF OUR BABY SHE IS LIKE A CHILD TO US AND I TREAT HER THAT WAY. THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH HER NOW IS THIS SKIN DISORDER SHE HAS HAD SINCE WE BROUGHT HER HOME.

IF YOU ARE SO INNOCENT LIKE YOU CLAIM TO BE THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP COMING ON HERE AND PUTTING YOUR LITTLE COMMENTS. IF YOU ARE INNOCENT THEN WHY BOTHER MY GOD YOU'RE OUT OF THE COUNTRY NOW.

AS FOR ANDRIA AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE AGAIN MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU AND YOU TRACY THAT $575 I SPENT WAS THE BEST MONEY I EVER SPENT BECAUSE IT GOT SNUGGLES AWAY FROM YOU AND INTO A GOOD HOME.
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#41 Consumer Suggestion

Why hasn't the AKC taken notice of this report????

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

How can a breeder be in good standing with the AKC after all these problems? It also makes us wonder how Tracey is in good standing with the AKC (maybe because her name is not on any of the AKC registrations????). Is her name on any of the other registrations? Maybe that is how she is still in good standing by using other names.
We are also wondering if anyone from AKC has seen these reports?

We reported Tracey to the AKC as being a puppy mill. When we spoke to the AKC, we asked what the limit of litters was and they indicated that there wasn't a limit but the number of litters seemed excessive. There were too many dogs to count and Tracey was there alone as she told us Trevor had left her. We don't really care what her personal problem were at the time but those animals were in her care and they were not being taken care of.

She had told us that one puppy was injured as it got caught up in the fence and hung there until she heard it crying in the middle of the night. Another had skin problems as well. The puppies from our silver labs litter were half his size when we went back to pick up our fox red. So as to the conditions of Traceys kennel, we are in agreement with Andria and the others who also saw these terrible conditions.

Tracey was a deceptive person. She told us that our fox red was sired by Andria's dog up until the day we picked him up. Then suddenly he was sired by Shaggy. Seeing pictures of Big Red, we surely have doubt in our minds now as who the sire is to our fox red. How can anyone trust anything she says? We certainly can't after reading everything in this report.

We've also noticed that instead of taking responsibility for what she has done to all these puppies, she has chosen to bad mouth the people who are speaking up against her. Why is that, if she is really a reputable breeder? Seems she would be doing everything to clear her name with her customers and helping resolve these issues rather than speaking poorly of them.

We have yet to see Tracey take any responsibility for what she has done and has only been trying to cover her behind rather than seeing what she can do to keep her customers happy and her reputation clean. With the amount of money Tracey and Trevor (and the Mitchums, possibly their alias names???? ) have made breeding and selling all these puppies they surely can afford to reinburse Shari and any others who have had major vet bills due to their questionable breeding practices considering she supposedly stands behind her dogs.

We have yet to come across any other reports about bad breeders as we have seen on here. If Tracey did the right thing in the first place, we doubt there would be any rip off report with her name. With the labs that have been sold and are still being sold now over in NZ, there is still time to do the right thing, if she really wanted to clear her reputation. Tis the season for giving!!!! Merry Christmas!!!

ps I'm sure that most of us would rather be spending time knowing how pleased we were with the purchase of our puppies rather than reading about or sending responses about how bad our experiences were and how poorly things were handled. This report is not an attack on Tracey for lack of better things to do. We just happened to find this report accidently and it now has sadly become a wealth of information.
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#42 Consumer Comment

Dear Mrs Hindle

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

It seems that you can't even keep your own dogs straight. Emma was leased with the understanding that if she had five puppies or more that you got to keep two puppies and if she had less than five puppies you got to keep one. My sister-in-law and us told Trevor that we were only interested in doing this lease thing if we could have a female out of it, which he agreed my sister in law could have a female from the litter. My sister-in-law has always wanted an English lab and never could really afford the high prices because she has four children. There was only two puppies-one male and one female. Trevor then wouldn't let her have the female, he told her she could have the male, but not the female. She was very frustrated over this and she told Trevor to just come pick up Emma. Emma was never killed unless she died at your hand. Her male puppy came down with hip displasia at about five-six months old, when we came to your kennel that day in 2005, the female that Trevor insisted that she couldn't have, had also came down with hip diplasia at a young age and was there on the site.

My husband tried to talk to you about this and you refused to do anything about the male puppy having hip displasia. My sister-in-law paid for the care of Emma for a year plus all the vet bills involved with the puppies before Trevor came and got the female, plus the hip diplasia bills for the male puppy. She ended up getting nothing and paying alot for her time or trouble. The dog you are talking about that got killed is a dog that my sister-in-law leased from trevor years ago before my husband and I had ever heard of you or Trevor.

The dog had never been outside of kennel life and certainly never been handled or socialized very much. When it dug out from the fenced in yard, it took off, wouldn't come to anyone and finally ran out in front of a car and got killed. Mr sister-in-law felt bad about this, she loves animals. After all she went through to get her English lab, she still didn't get one. My sister-in-law is the one that told Trevor about us and our Red lab and gave him our phone number. That is one connection that I wish that had never been made after how we got burned.

It seems that you scammed us and my sister in law at the same time. By the way, I saw the reply you left on my report. Hope everyone else reads it.

Obviously Tracey you know nothing about us. We don't live in a trailer. I have a beautiful home where I have lived for over 15 years. My husband went to NC State University, I went to Wingate College. I work for the State of North Carolina-have for 17 years. We don't have a kennel yet, but maybe one day soon. I do bred a few litters of rat terriers a year. Rat terriers are great little dogs for family and for children. We have even bred labs. Maybe we don't do things on the big scale as you do, but I would rather be small scale and have integrity.

I never received any email or mail with DNA results about the puppies from that litter. I figure that people have caught on about you and trevor. So, now you do know where all those puppies are from that litter? Funny how you just said before you didn't where they were. Good luck Tracey. Have a Merry Christmas.
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#43 Consumer Comment

Dear Mrs Hindle

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

It seems that you can't even keep your own dogs straight. Emma was leased with the understanding that if she had five puppies or more that you got to keep two puppies and if she had less than five puppies you got to keep one. My sister-in-law and us told Trevor that we were only interested in doing this lease thing if we could have a female out of it, which he agreed my sister in law could have a female from the litter. My sister-in-law has always wanted an English lab and never could really afford the high prices because she has four children. There was only two puppies-one male and one female. Trevor then wouldn't let her have the female, he told her she could have the male, but not the female. She was very frustrated over this and she told Trevor to just come pick up Emma. Emma was never killed unless she died at your hand. Her male puppy came down with hip displasia at about five-six months old, when we came to your kennel that day in 2005, the female that Trevor insisted that she couldn't have, had also came down with hip diplasia at a young age and was there on the site.

My husband tried to talk to you about this and you refused to do anything about the male puppy having hip displasia. My sister-in-law paid for the care of Emma for a year plus all the vet bills involved with the puppies before Trevor came and got the female, plus the hip diplasia bills for the male puppy. She ended up getting nothing and paying alot for her time or trouble. The dog you are talking about that got killed is a dog that my sister-in-law leased from trevor years ago before my husband and I had ever heard of you or Trevor.

The dog had never been outside of kennel life and certainly never been handled or socialized very much. When it dug out from the fenced in yard, it took off, wouldn't come to anyone and finally ran out in front of a car and got killed. Mr sister-in-law felt bad about this, she loves animals. After all she went through to get her English lab, she still didn't get one. My sister-in-law is the one that told Trevor about us and our Red lab and gave him our phone number. That is one connection that I wish that had never been made after how we got burned.

It seems that you scammed us and my sister in law at the same time. By the way, I saw the reply you left on my report. Hope everyone else reads it.

Obviously Tracey you know nothing about us. We don't live in a trailer. I have a beautiful home where I have lived for over 15 years. My husband went to NC State University, I went to Wingate College. I work for the State of North Carolina-have for 17 years. We don't have a kennel yet, but maybe one day soon. I do bred a few litters of rat terriers a year. Rat terriers are great little dogs for family and for children. We have even bred labs. Maybe we don't do things on the big scale as you do, but I would rather be small scale and have integrity.

I never received any email or mail with DNA results about the puppies from that litter. I figure that people have caught on about you and trevor. So, now you do know where all those puppies are from that litter? Funny how you just said before you didn't where they were. Good luck Tracey. Have a Merry Christmas.
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#44 Consumer Comment

Dear Mrs Hindle

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

It seems that you can't even keep your own dogs straight. Emma was leased with the understanding that if she had five puppies or more that you got to keep two puppies and if she had less than five puppies you got to keep one. My sister-in-law and us told Trevor that we were only interested in doing this lease thing if we could have a female out of it, which he agreed my sister in law could have a female from the litter. My sister-in-law has always wanted an English lab and never could really afford the high prices because she has four children. There was only two puppies-one male and one female. Trevor then wouldn't let her have the female, he told her she could have the male, but not the female. She was very frustrated over this and she told Trevor to just come pick up Emma. Emma was never killed unless she died at your hand. Her male puppy came down with hip displasia at about five-six months old, when we came to your kennel that day in 2005, the female that Trevor insisted that she couldn't have, had also came down with hip diplasia at a young age and was there on the site.

My husband tried to talk to you about this and you refused to do anything about the male puppy having hip displasia. My sister-in-law paid for the care of Emma for a year plus all the vet bills involved with the puppies before Trevor came and got the female, plus the hip diplasia bills for the male puppy. She ended up getting nothing and paying alot for her time or trouble. The dog you are talking about that got killed is a dog that my sister-in-law leased from trevor years ago before my husband and I had ever heard of you or Trevor.

The dog had never been outside of kennel life and certainly never been handled or socialized very much. When it dug out from the fenced in yard, it took off, wouldn't come to anyone and finally ran out in front of a car and got killed. Mr sister-in-law felt bad about this, she loves animals. After all she went through to get her English lab, she still didn't get one. My sister-in-law is the one that told Trevor about us and our Red lab and gave him our phone number. That is one connection that I wish that had never been made after how we got burned.

It seems that you scammed us and my sister in law at the same time. By the way, I saw the reply you left on my report. Hope everyone else reads it.

Obviously Tracey you know nothing about us. We don't live in a trailer. I have a beautiful home where I have lived for over 15 years. My husband went to NC State University, I went to Wingate College. I work for the State of North Carolina-have for 17 years. We don't have a kennel yet, but maybe one day soon. I do bred a few litters of rat terriers a year. Rat terriers are great little dogs for family and for children. We have even bred labs. Maybe we don't do things on the big scale as you do, but I would rather be small scale and have integrity.

I never received any email or mail with DNA results about the puppies from that litter. I figure that people have caught on about you and trevor. So, now you do know where all those puppies are from that litter? Funny how you just said before you didn't where they were. Good luck Tracey. Have a Merry Christmas.
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#45 Consumer Comment

Dear Mrs Hindle

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

It seems that you can't even keep your own dogs straight. Emma was leased with the understanding that if she had five puppies or more that you got to keep two puppies and if she had less than five puppies you got to keep one. My sister-in-law and us told Trevor that we were only interested in doing this lease thing if we could have a female out of it, which he agreed my sister in law could have a female from the litter. My sister-in-law has always wanted an English lab and never could really afford the high prices because she has four children. There was only two puppies-one male and one female. Trevor then wouldn't let her have the female, he told her she could have the male, but not the female. She was very frustrated over this and she told Trevor to just come pick up Emma. Emma was never killed unless she died at your hand. Her male puppy came down with hip displasia at about five-six months old, when we came to your kennel that day in 2005, the female that Trevor insisted that she couldn't have, had also came down with hip diplasia at a young age and was there on the site.

My husband tried to talk to you about this and you refused to do anything about the male puppy having hip displasia. My sister-in-law paid for the care of Emma for a year plus all the vet bills involved with the puppies before Trevor came and got the female, plus the hip diplasia bills for the male puppy. She ended up getting nothing and paying alot for her time or trouble. The dog you are talking about that got killed is a dog that my sister-in-law leased from trevor years ago before my husband and I had ever heard of you or Trevor.

The dog had never been outside of kennel life and certainly never been handled or socialized very much. When it dug out from the fenced in yard, it took off, wouldn't come to anyone and finally ran out in front of a car and got killed. Mr sister-in-law felt bad about this, she loves animals. After all she went through to get her English lab, she still didn't get one. My sister-in-law is the one that told Trevor about us and our Red lab and gave him our phone number. That is one connection that I wish that had never been made after how we got burned.

It seems that you scammed us and my sister in law at the same time. By the way, I saw the reply you left on my report. Hope everyone else reads it.

Obviously Tracey you know nothing about us. We don't live in a trailer. I have a beautiful home where I have lived for over 15 years. My husband went to NC State University, I went to Wingate College. I work for the State of North Carolina-have for 17 years. We don't have a kennel yet, but maybe one day soon. I do bred a few litters of rat terriers a year. Rat terriers are great little dogs for family and for children. We have even bred labs. Maybe we don't do things on the big scale as you do, but I would rather be small scale and have integrity.

I never received any email or mail with DNA results about the puppies from that litter. I figure that people have caught on about you and trevor. So, now you do know where all those puppies are from that litter? Funny how you just said before you didn't where they were. Good luck Tracey. Have a Merry Christmas.
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#46 Consumer Comment

Tracy...

AUTHOR: P - (U.S.A.)

If you didn't want Misty to breed her female then you should have done the responsible thing and sold her on a spay/neuter contract with Limited Registration papers.

As far as your dogs being certified, they are not listed in the OFA database, not even with prelim information.

It's easy for you to say that they are now certified when you live in NZ and it's unverifiable. So, what are their hip scores in NZ? If you're so proud of them, post them.

You could also send the information to OFA via the Electronic Submission process. That way, your dogs will be listed in the database and there will be no question.

By the way, CERF'ing a dog once in it's lifetime is not enough. 95% of your dogs listed in the CERF database have 1 certification, not the yearly cert that they should have. Again, if you are so proud of your dogs certs, why not spend the money to have them registered in the database for everyone to see?

Oh and congratulations on having an entire page on the New Zealand Labrador Club's website devoted to your "silver labs". It must be nice to know that in less than 6 months, you have been recognized as a disreputable breeder of a suspect color by their National club.
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#47 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Andria is such a reputable breeder!

AUTHOR: Tracy - (U.S.A.)

I did type a rebuttal on here but I guess it was too harsh to be printed! I will try to restrain myself although it is very hard. I have not ever done anything in my life to warrant the kind of slashing I have been receiving on here. You are all entitled to your opinion but I draw the line on being referred to as an animal abuser. My dogs were treated like family and taken well care of during the 12 years I raised labs at the same location! I have never tried to hide or deceive anyone about anything purposely and I take offense to those of you who blame me for your dogs ailments. TNT's Bogart Bomber has been tested (prelimanary hips) and is now registered in NZ and has his certification. TNT's Brown Magic Mountain is here with me in NZ and was xrayed by my vet before I spent the thousands of dollars to have her imported here. She also has had her hips certified. Both dogs have had their eyes certified so why you are saying these false things is beyond me UNLESS as "others" say "this website is for displaying grudges against people you want to hurt, where you can go and speak lies without having to prove anything." I sleep well at night and don't have to lie and spend hours trying to make people believe what I want them too. You really should get a life Andria...don't have any rat terrier pups to sell on the side of the road right now? How long have you been breeding labs? and where do you get off giving others advice on something you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT! As for EMMA my prize lab with numerous champions, hip and eye certified, that my husband let your sister in law Tracy have for FREE that she let run free and be killed only days after going to her home! Your family is about as pathetic as they come when it comes to being responsible dog owners. If others only knew what sort of people you really are they wouldn't be siding with the likes of you. I wish you would all tell me what it is you would have me do?? Give everyone that ever bought a puppy their money back because of what ever problem they are experiencing with their dog? I tried to do the right thing when I was breeding TNT labs but of course I cannot please everyone and you can continue to let this consume your life and waste precious time trying to convince others what a bad person I am but where will it get you? I do apoligize for any pain I have caused any dog that I brought into this world but for every problem dog (which I don't take blame for)there are 5 or 10 very happy healthy ones. Dogs grow up to be what they are with help from their owners. There are ALOT of bad owners out there just as there are alot of bad breeders. I am not one of them!!!
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#48 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Misty

AUTHOR: Tracy - (U.S.A.)

I must say...you are complaining about your dog not coming into heat yet!!!! If she was born in Feb then she is not even a year old. Guess you are planning to breed as soon as possible huh to get that $575 you paid back?? Another responsible breeder in the making HA.HA. These are the kind of people we are dealing with here. Ear infections can come from not cleaning their ears or swimming but NO it must be my fault!!!
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#49 Consumer Comment

Misty and any others.

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

Hello, I was going to use the information you gave with the dogs' names to run the datebases, but I see P from colorado springs has already done the work for me. Not only can you look at the certifications on the OFA site, but you can also find the registered siblings of your dog, and your dog's parents registered siblings on the AKC website. All you do is go way over to the right hand side on the home page of AKC website and register for access. I think that as long as you have registered a dog with AKC you can get this set up, I am thinking that it doesn't cost, but you have to put a credit card on file, I guess for identification purposes. Once set up, Then go to manage dogs. Then go to add dogs of interest. A box will open up and you put in the registration number or if you don't know it you can put in the name of the dog. The registration numbers for dogs in the same litter, only the last two numbers change. For instance. Your dog number is sr31418210, just keep changing the last two digits starting at 01 and going up and you can find all the siblings that were registered in that litter. Yours was unusual, because I had thought they all went in order as the registrations came in to AKC, but your dog is number 10 and there is a number 01, 02, 04, but some are missing in between.

I always thought they went in order, but that might not be the case, so I can't explain where 03, 05, and so on-those were puppies that possibly were never registered. You can do the same for both your dog's parents and any dog that you know the name of. It gives you basic information such as name of dog, color, date of birth, sex, registration number, etc. It will not tell you the owner's name or information unless it is a dog that you actually own. In our case, some of the puppies from the litter were never registered.

We knew they were seven puppies, but seven puppies weren't registered. I just starting putting in TNT in the name list and I came up with list of dogs that were registered just with TNT as the first part of the name. You can do the same with the OFA site. Just put in TNT as part of the name and it will bring up all the dogs that they had certifications done on or put in the specific dog's name and get it that way. There is a whole list of those. I had a great lady help me figure this out, because I probably would have never found this on my own and I want her to know I appreciate the help if she happens to read this. I would be curious to know if any of the other puppies in the litter have had skin or other health issues too. I would suggest that anyone with dogs that come from TNT search the OFA site and the AKC site and check things out.
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#50 Consumer Comment

Andria - about OFA certifications (CERF too)

AUTHOR: P - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to address something that you said:

"Of course, having two parents OFA certified doesn't guarantee a puppy from hip displasia, which is why I think OFA certifications are misleading to buyers, and a lot of small breeders don't pay the money to get the certifications done because it is no guarantee."

I have to disagree with parts of this statement. Yes, it is possible for a puppy from parents with an OFA certification to have HD/ED. The reason for this is that an OFA x-ray can only look at the physical way the hip joint is put together (a phenotypical view). The hip joint is then graded on that joint conformation - excellent, good, or fair. Unfortunately, there is no way to look at the genetic makeup of that same joint and the genetics determine if the dog will be dysplastic or not. In other words, a dog that looks clear in the x-ray could still pass on the genes for HD.

However, this doesn't mean it is a useless or misleading certification. OFA certification actually decreases the incidence of HD overall because:

1) The OFA certification allows breeders to screen the dogs that are visually dysplastic from their breeding programs. HD does not always show itself physically, there are thousands of dysplastic dogs that never show any symptoms. The only way to diagnose HD conclusively is through x-rays.

2) The OFA database allows breeders to see the family history of HD in their and others' lines - if you have a line with a high degree of HD, you can breed into a line with a lower degree of HD.

3) It allows breeders to remove dogs that have produced a high incidence of HD from their breeding programs by keeping a record of their cleared/not cleared offspring.

In Labradors, the incidence of HD has dropped 33% since 1980, when the Labrador breeders began using OFA to certify the parents.

So while OFA certification is not a 100% guarantee, it is a very valuable tool that breeders should be using to evaluate their breeding dogs.

One last thing, CERF certifications are also extremely important. Without going into too much detail, there are several eye disorders that can blind dogs, including PRA (Progressive Retinal Atrophy) in Labradors. Some disorders are immediately recognizable, others take time to develop. That's why, unlike OFA certs, CERF certifications are done yearly. Hip conformation is not likely to change after the dog reaches full maturity, eyes can and do change.

Again, it's not fullproof - CERF is also a visual inspection. Some diseases are readily apparent under visual inspection like cataracts. But some dogs can carry diseases without being affected by them. These diseases can be passed on to their pups. By using the CERF database, it is possible to see which dogs are not producing/producing those diseases and breed to them or avoid them accordingly.

One last thing, while hip/elbows x-rays can be taken by your everyday veterinarian, eyes and hearts should be examined by specialists in these areas. Special equipment is required to see/hear most eye and heart disorders - special equipment that most everyday veterinarians do not possess.

I know this was a little (okay, a lot) longwinded but there is a lot of misinformation about clearances and why/why not to do them out there.

The short version - these certifications are tools that a breeder can use to make informed breeding decisions. Until actual genetic tests become available, these certifications are the best tools a breeder has. They aren't perfect but they are definitely better than doing nothing.
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#51 Consumer Comment

Andria - about OFA certifications (CERF too)

AUTHOR: P - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to address something that you said:

"Of course, having two parents OFA certified doesn't guarantee a puppy from hip displasia, which is why I think OFA certifications are misleading to buyers, and a lot of small breeders don't pay the money to get the certifications done because it is no guarantee."

I have to disagree with parts of this statement. Yes, it is possible for a puppy from parents with an OFA certification to have HD/ED. The reason for this is that an OFA x-ray can only look at the physical way the hip joint is put together (a phenotypical view). The hip joint is then graded on that joint conformation - excellent, good, or fair. Unfortunately, there is no way to look at the genetic makeup of that same joint and the genetics determine if the dog will be dysplastic or not. In other words, a dog that looks clear in the x-ray could still pass on the genes for HD.

However, this doesn't mean it is a useless or misleading certification. OFA certification actually decreases the incidence of HD overall because:

1) The OFA certification allows breeders to screen the dogs that are visually dysplastic from their breeding programs. HD does not always show itself physically, there are thousands of dysplastic dogs that never show any symptoms. The only way to diagnose HD conclusively is through x-rays.

2) The OFA database allows breeders to see the family history of HD in their and others' lines - if you have a line with a high degree of HD, you can breed into a line with a lower degree of HD.

3) It allows breeders to remove dogs that have produced a high incidence of HD from their breeding programs by keeping a record of their cleared/not cleared offspring.

In Labradors, the incidence of HD has dropped 33% since 1980, when the Labrador breeders began using OFA to certify the parents.

So while OFA certification is not a 100% guarantee, it is a very valuable tool that breeders should be using to evaluate their breeding dogs.

One last thing, CERF certifications are also extremely important. Without going into too much detail, there are several eye disorders that can blind dogs, including PRA (Progressive Retinal Atrophy) in Labradors. Some disorders are immediately recognizable, others take time to develop. That's why, unlike OFA certs, CERF certifications are done yearly. Hip conformation is not likely to change after the dog reaches full maturity, eyes can and do change.

Again, it's not fullproof - CERF is also a visual inspection. Some diseases are readily apparent under visual inspection like cataracts. But some dogs can carry diseases without being affected by them. These diseases can be passed on to their pups. By using the CERF database, it is possible to see which dogs are not producing/producing those diseases and breed to them or avoid them accordingly.

One last thing, while hip/elbows x-rays can be taken by your everyday veterinarian, eyes and hearts should be examined by specialists in these areas. Special equipment is required to see/hear most eye and heart disorders - special equipment that most everyday veterinarians do not possess.

I know this was a little (okay, a lot) longwinded but there is a lot of misinformation about clearances and why/why not to do them out there.

The short version - these certifications are tools that a breeder can use to make informed breeding decisions. Until actual genetic tests become available, these certifications are the best tools a breeder has. They aren't perfect but they are definitely better than doing nothing.
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#52 Consumer Comment

Andria - about OFA certifications (CERF too)

AUTHOR: P - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to address something that you said:

"Of course, having two parents OFA certified doesn't guarantee a puppy from hip displasia, which is why I think OFA certifications are misleading to buyers, and a lot of small breeders don't pay the money to get the certifications done because it is no guarantee."

I have to disagree with parts of this statement. Yes, it is possible for a puppy from parents with an OFA certification to have HD/ED. The reason for this is that an OFA x-ray can only look at the physical way the hip joint is put together (a phenotypical view). The hip joint is then graded on that joint conformation - excellent, good, or fair. Unfortunately, there is no way to look at the genetic makeup of that same joint and the genetics determine if the dog will be dysplastic or not. In other words, a dog that looks clear in the x-ray could still pass on the genes for HD.

However, this doesn't mean it is a useless or misleading certification. OFA certification actually decreases the incidence of HD overall because:

1) The OFA certification allows breeders to screen the dogs that are visually dysplastic from their breeding programs. HD does not always show itself physically, there are thousands of dysplastic dogs that never show any symptoms. The only way to diagnose HD conclusively is through x-rays.

2) The OFA database allows breeders to see the family history of HD in their and others' lines - if you have a line with a high degree of HD, you can breed into a line with a lower degree of HD.

3) It allows breeders to remove dogs that have produced a high incidence of HD from their breeding programs by keeping a record of their cleared/not cleared offspring.

In Labradors, the incidence of HD has dropped 33% since 1980, when the Labrador breeders began using OFA to certify the parents.

So while OFA certification is not a 100% guarantee, it is a very valuable tool that breeders should be using to evaluate their breeding dogs.

One last thing, CERF certifications are also extremely important. Without going into too much detail, there are several eye disorders that can blind dogs, including PRA (Progressive Retinal Atrophy) in Labradors. Some disorders are immediately recognizable, others take time to develop. That's why, unlike OFA certs, CERF certifications are done yearly. Hip conformation is not likely to change after the dog reaches full maturity, eyes can and do change.

Again, it's not fullproof - CERF is also a visual inspection. Some diseases are readily apparent under visual inspection like cataracts. But some dogs can carry diseases without being affected by them. These diseases can be passed on to their pups. By using the CERF database, it is possible to see which dogs are not producing/producing those diseases and breed to them or avoid them accordingly.

One last thing, while hip/elbows x-rays can be taken by your everyday veterinarian, eyes and hearts should be examined by specialists in these areas. Special equipment is required to see/hear most eye and heart disorders - special equipment that most everyday veterinarians do not possess.

I know this was a little (okay, a lot) longwinded but there is a lot of misinformation about clearances and why/why not to do them out there.

The short version - these certifications are tools that a breeder can use to make informed breeding decisions. Until actual genetic tests become available, these certifications are the best tools a breeder has. They aren't perfect but they are definitely better than doing nothing.
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#53 Consumer Comment

Misty, about breeding your girl...

AUTHOR: P - (U.S.A.)

You wrote in your report about how your girl Snuggle had several problems with skin & ear infections and so forth. You also stated that you were afraid to breed her because of that and some other issues. I'd like to suggest that you seriously consider NOT breeding her but for a few other reasons:

There are 3 major health clearances recommended for the Labrador Retriever:

1) Hip Dysplasia - given by the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA)
2) Elbow Dysplasia - also given by the OFA
3) Eye clearances (Labs suffer from a variety of eye diseases, some of which can cause blindness) - given by the Canine Eye Registration Foundation (CERF)

Hip/Elbow Dysplasia clearances are done one time, after the dog is 2 years old. Eye clearances are done on a yearly basis.

Her Sire - TNT's Bogart Bomber, dob 01/18/2004, AKC reg #SR14124505 has no OFA number, his hips/elbows/heart were never certified clear of Hip Dysplasia/Elbow Dysplasia or cardiac problems. He also has no eye clearances. There are no siblings of his listed either.

Her dam - TNT's Brown Magic Mountain, dob 02/20/2003, AKC reg #SR05811711 has no OFA number either. She does have a 2004 CERF clearance. She also has no siblings listed in the OFA database.

I can do further research on her pedigree if you would like to provide her grandparents information as well. However, because her parents/aunts/uncles were never certified, she has a greater chance of passing on a genetic disorder to her pups.

If you still would like to breed your girl, please consider getting these certifications on her (she will have to be 2 years old for final certifications). Please also consider breeding her to a male that also has these certifications.

If you would like to research this information yourself, you can take the AKC registration numbers and go to the following websites - I can't post the direct address but just google the names below to find them:

Orthopedic Foundation for Animals
Canine Eye Registration Foundation

Good luck with your little girl, whatever you decide to do.
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#54 Consumer Comment

Answers For Andria

AUTHOR: Misty - (U.S.A.)

Hi,Andria. To answer your questions, our dogs name is Adam's Snuggle Baby. Her dad's name was TNT Bogart Bomber and her mom's name is TNT'S Brown Magic Mountain. Her date of birth is December 18,2005. I'm am really concerned about this whole situation and my heart aches to read what everyone else is going through. Snuggle's is like a child to us and I hate seeing her suffering. We're actually scared to bred her for the simple fact the genetics scare us. The only thing I can say to Tracy is what goes around comes around and what she has done to all these people will come back double. To all other victims my thoughts and prayers are with you.
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#55 Consumer Comment

Misty and any other victims.

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

Misty, You are certainly another victim of the Hindles. I believe that more and more people are going to come forward as time goes by involving the Hindles and TNT. I made a separate report about the Hindles on rip off report. I feel that I probably saw the mother of your dog. She probably hadn't been bred yet when we saw her.

I saw a Chocolate female lab at TNT in late September 2005, that had some kind of skin problem, she was missing a lot of hair, had multiple bald spots and had some spots that were oozing sores.

When we noticed the dog and asked Mrs Hindle about the dog, she claimed that the dog had been bitten by other dogs that were in the pen with her. Mrs Hindle stated that she needed to give the dog her medicine and she went inside her house and came back out with some antibotics for the dog. I told my husband on the way home, that there was no way that was from dog bites, it looked more like a skin infection or mange. Some of those skin conditions and some types of mange are genetic. Also it was a possibility that she had staph or strep bacteria from the dirt pens they were kept in.

If she was bred with that problem she may have passed that on to her puppies, or if it was something contagious that she might have passed it to other dogs and puppies in the kennel. Mrs. Hindle also had a puppy that was approximately six-seven months old that appeared crippled. We asked about that puppy and was told she had hip displasia, it was severe enough that you could tell just by looking at the dog. Mrs. Hindle said that she had asked the vet to put the puppy down, but the vet refused, he told Mrs Hindle to call lab rescue and let them find a home for it.

When we asked her about the parents of that puppy, she first said the mother was Emma and then when it dawned on her that my sister in law also had a puppy with hip displasia from that same litter of which my husband had complained about to the Hindles, she said she was mistaken about the mother of the puppy and said the mother was some other dog's name. We knew the mother and father of my sister in law's puppy was supposely Emma and Shaggy. Kind of like she lied to Mary and her family about who the father of their puppy was. She told them it was our dog Big Red, until the day they came to pick up their puppy, then Mrs Hindle told them it was Shaggy.

So, both of those puppies from Shaggy and Emma's litter had hip displasia before they were even a year old. Makes me wonder about their using our dog to breed their dog Penny and then registering the puppies to Shaggy. Maybe they knew that Shaggy was having too many unhealthy puppies.

I also realized from looking at their website when all this was going on, that Shaggy didn't have OFA certification and I couldn't find him on the OFA website either, so maybe his hips couldn't pass the test. Penny was certified. They had a lot of other dogs certified, so why not his? If fact, Mr hindle stated in his response that he had watched TNT take all the dogs for OFA certification. Of course, this was when he was trying to pass him self off as just an employee of TNT. I can probably quess with them, the ones didn't have the certifications were because they didn't pass. Of course, having two parents OFA certified doesn't guarantee a puppy from hip displasia, which is why I think OFA certifications are misleading to buyers, and a lot of small breeders don't pay the money to get the certifications done because it is no guarantee.

Whether the parents are OFA certified or not, most breeders offer some kind of guarantee for hip displasia problems, which the Hindles certainly listed a guarantee on their website. The Hindles should have honored the hip guarantee and did what was right in Shari's case. Both of Mary's dogs had some kind of skin infection or parasite infection, and Shari's dog had mange. Shari's dog had a very severe case of hip displasia.

I believe just the picture of her dog speaks that the case was severe. I saw some okay looking puppies and some pretty puny looking puppies the day we visited the kennel, you could tell from the poor condition of the puny ones that they were probably full of parasites and needed to be treated.

Mrs Hindle had several different litters all together in one pen which included the sick looking puppies, I thought it would have been wiser to remove the sick ones to another pen so they didn't infect the other puppies. Some of those better looking puppies may have become sick after they got to their new homes from the previous exposure to the sick ones. It is just no tellings how many dogs and puppies ended up sick coming from that kennel.

I know some people have also had problems with timidness and their dog being a nervous wreck. I am not sure if that is somehow genetic or whether the puppies may have been mistreated or just not socialized well when they were first little puppies. It just seems that the Hindles' had a lot of problems with their dogs and with their customers, more than good business people would have had. It seems that their lifestyle and their way of doing business caught up with them. I am sure that some people had a good experience, but I would consider them very very fortunate.

Misty, I would be curious to know the registered names of the parents of your puppy and your puppy's name too if you wouldn't mind giving it to me. I wish you luck in getting the problem cleared up.
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#56 Consumer Comment

I'M ANOTHER VICTIM

AUTHOR: Misty - (U.S.A.)

WE BOUGHT OUR BEAUTIFUL CHOCOLATE LAB IN FEB OF 2006. WHEN WE WENT TO TRACY'S SHE TOLD US THIS SOB STORY OF HOW SHE HAD TO MOVE BECAUSE SOMEONE HAD REPORTED HER AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH LAND FOR HER DOGS AND HOW HER NEIGHBOR POISONED SOME OF HER DOGS, AND HER HUSBAND WAS NO LONGER THERE WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION HE HAD PASSED AWAY.

OUR DOG IS CLOSE TO A YEAR OLD SHE WILL BE ON THE 18TH. WE PAID $575 FOR HER BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BREED HER. SHE HAS YET TO GO IN HEAT, SHE HAS HAD NUMEROUS EAR INFECTIONS, AND SHE HAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH HER SKIN WHERE SHE WILL GET THESE BALD SPOTS. OUR VET SAID IT WASN'T THE MANGE BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. SHE HAS SHAKING SPELLS IN HER SLEEP.

THIS ALL STARTED WHEN SHE WAS JUST A FEW MONTHS OLD. I WANT THIS WOMAN TO PAY FOR WHAT SHE HAS DONE TO EVERYONE! IT BREAKS MY HEART TO READ EVERYONES STORIES
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#57 Consumer Comment

hello

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

Hello everyone, Mrs. Hindle decided to finally make a response on my rip off report, she should have made the response on this report so more people could find it to read, but I will help her out. Please take a look at what she has to say, I got some really good information out of it and a really good laugh.
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#58 Consumer Suggestion

Back To You Jenny

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

Well the thought hd crossed my mind that she had been abused Lilly that is BUT I thought there is no way anyone could have because shes been with me all along....I would not in a million years have thought that she might have been abused or scared where she came from!!! That is until I read these posts and especially yours!! Thank you for writing!! Shes doing very well with Poppie the puppy and Daisy the dog but its people she doesn't know that she has a problem with!!!

I used to be embarrased to even take her to the vet and its a bit better but I dare not take her other places cause as soon as she sees someone her ridge goes up from neck to tail and she barks and barks etc..The problem with that is I know its cause shes afraid but people that don't know her think shes mean so I can't just walk her around the neighborhood so still I feel like shes being limited.

I agree with you however that we did RESCUE our doggies from those folks...hopefully the love and attenetion she gets from me and my boyfriend is making her happy to be home!!! No kidding she slept on my head for the first several months when I got her and even now if she gets scared of a noise or anything she will jump in my lap or come lay on my chest like a baby!! My 83lb baby last she was weighed!! Good luck to you and thanks again for filling me in!!

Kim
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#59 Consumer Comment

Hi, Everybody!

AUTHOR: Ruthie - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to share with you our experience with TNT, to keep things fair. Thus, I included the names of my boys' dam and sire, and their birth date. I hate what Shari and Andria have gone thru. Not to mention countless others that may have gone through this with TNT or other breeders.

My good friend purchased a lab from a NC breeder, not TNT, and her boy has skin allergies and problems with his hips. Mason is certified good to excellent in every aspect, according to their breeder. Also, my friend's family has bred labs in the past and have vets in their family. They have said their research shows labs being prone to dysplasia and allergies.

My big boy is perfectly healthy, but my baby boy has arthritis in his right elbow, and allergies that cause his right eye to tear. I have sent a picture of my boys to ED to post on the site, I haven't seen it yet, but hopefully soon. As always, you all have my highest regards in your efforts to obtain justice for yourselves.
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#60 Consumer Comment

Hi, Mary!

AUTHOR: Ruthie - (U.S.A.)

Mary-

I just wanted to be very clear,I said in my response, 'I could be incorrect, but I remember a picture of a Winston graduating and getting married. Also, seeing a picture of Guage in a swimming pool.' I also apologized if I were wrong. But the "silver" on the TNT site was named Guage. I thought it interesting because I thought Tracy had spelled the name incorrectly. So there is another "silver" named Guage, spelled like your dog, somewhere here in NC. What a neat coincidence. But the Guage I saw on TNT's site was beautiful and swimming in a pool. As I said before, I would never have guessed that dog had been ill. Just well loved. Sorry for any confusion.
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#61 Consumer Comment

It Makes me Sick!!!

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

After reading all the comments about TNT and talking to Andria personally, I find this amazing that so many, with the exception of a very few, had this many problems with how the Hindles (TNT) have done business. It is also horrible at what happened to Lexi )and I do hope that she is doing better and will live a long and happy life with the parents that love her so much to fight her battle for her) and all the other puppies who have had illnesses coming from TNT. Wake up people, this was due to bad breeding practices on the Hindles part. Our puppies were both sick when we took them home. Our silver, Guage (and no, that was not the Guage on TNT's site as Ruthie stated), had a parasite when we brought him home. Riggins, our fox-red, had some sort of skin infection that had to be treated for months. Riggins. like some of the other puppies described in this report. has acted very skittish and scared as if he had been beaten. He's been that way since the day we took him home. If we get too close, he will drop to the floor and roll over onto his back with a whimpering look on his face. Riggins also is very stiff sometimes when he gets up and his paws turn outward like a duck.

Regardless we love our puppies and would do anything to make their lives here on this earth the best they deserve. Unfortunately they may not have been born in a great place but they do live in one now as all our puppies do.

As far as breeding practices, when we picked out our fox-red, we were told by Tracey that he was sired by a male named Big Red., up until the day that we picked Riggins up; we were told that Big Red was the sire. Low and behold, the day we picked up Riggins, Tracey then told us that she made a mistake and that Shaggy was the sire. My problem with this is that Shaggy is white and of the English breed. We wanted a fox-red and American breed. She knew this from the start. Our AKC papers show Shaggy as the sire but how come Tracey didn't know all this up front when we chose Riggins? Who is Riggins real sire? and with all these allegations about the Hindles, do we really trust that they actually are doing the right thing? Sad to say, We really have our doubts now!!! These people were irresponsible. And as far as the place itself, it was a puppy mill in my eyes. There were too many dogs on the site for Tracey to handle alone. There were also too many litters of puppies for them to be cared for properly. The puppies from Gauge's litter were sickly and half the size of Gauge when we went back to pick Riggins up. As I said, Guage had a parasite that we told Tracey about and they didn't look like they were being treated for it. It broke my heart to see it and when we got back home we did call the AKC to report it as a puppy mill.

Now that the Hindles are supposedly in New Zealand, all I can say is I hope that they don't continue breeding. As one can see, they aren't really good at it!!! They've left a bad wake in their path. It makes me sick that this has happened to so many people.
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#62 Author of original report

Please, Hear Us Out

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Hello fellow Lab lovers!
I would just like to say that I filed this report 5 months after jumping through TNT's ridiculas hoops of trying to simply get them to stand by their so-called "guarantee". I was more than fair, patient and understanding. Too patient, too understanding. We were then forced to file every report, hire an attorney and did everything else required, not for the money - for Lexi, for future puppies and for their owners' justice.

We were not Lab experts when we bought Lexi, we just knew we wanted a special dog... a Silver Lab. I'm not fond of males, we've always had female dogs and our family Shar Pei of 12 years had died months earlier. We were finally ready for another dog.

This is a letter from my highly respected Veterinarian dated Feb. 13, 2005 which Tracy insisted on having to verify that the X-rays I sent her were indeed Lexi's:

"To Whom it May Concern,
This letter is at the request of Shari and Mike (Last name) of (Address). On September 16, 2005 I examined and radiographed a female Labrador Retriever less than 1 year of age having difficulty walking. The radiographs taken at that time did not contain the dog's registration number or a micro chip identification. The seriousness of the lameness and the findings on palpation of the dog's hips made it pointless to send the radiographs to OFA for certification."
"I advised the (our last name) that to seek OFA certification was a total waste of their money. If you feel that you can't accept my previous radiograph sent to you by the current owner, than I have no choice but to ask them to return the dog for sedation and re-radiograph the coxofemoral joints. In the 36 years of private practice I have never been so insulted by having my integrity questioned."
"I have been sending radiographs to OFA for evaluation since 1970 and I know all about the ways owners have tried to get around the correct method of identification. I can assure you that the radiographs you were provided by my animal hospital are of this dog!"
"Sincerely,
(My vet's signature)"
I left this out because I do not have his permission to post this.

The purpose of my copying this letter into this thread...? All of these innocent people (and the many that are more than likely out there) with bad experiences with TNT cannot be wrong and this is for the soul purpose of perhaps someone else to read our claims first then make their own decision on whether or not to deal with these "breeders".

Tracy knew of the consequences and there were no choices left - it had to be put out there.

Like I stated before, we're not the type of people to quickly jump to judgement and bash someone over the Internet, we're quite friendly really.
Something had to be done and we're quite pleased with the results, I must say.

Thanks for hearing us out.
Blessings,
Shari and Mike
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#63 Consumer Comment

one more point.

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

Ruthie, I am not asking people to give up their dogs. I just want the dogs papers to be changed to reflect the proper parents and for the owners to know what their puppy is. People who decide to breed these puppies are also going to be registering puppies that they think have one genetics when they have something else. This messes with the intergity of the breed. In our case, People are going to think they have a English Champion bloodline dog and they are not, because the father is American.

I never said owners had to give up or lose their dogs. I just don't want the Hindles to continue this practice, because it destroys the breed, it helps breed in more genetic defects such as the hip dysplasia and even arthritis because people are not aware of the genetics of what they do have.
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#64 Consumer Comment

What I am doing.

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

I only came across this site last Friday evening. The puppies in question with our problem were born in August 2005. I contacted the AKC immediately upon Mrs. Hindle telling us that the puppies belonged to their stud and not ours. I went through all the proper procedures with the AKC, but no avail. I did everything I was supposed to do in a civilized and law abiding manner. I contacted law enforcment, but they consider this a civil matter and not a criminal matter, on top of that they had already as far as they were concerned, carted Mr. Hindle away and he was no longer their problem. Seems he had disrupted his neighbors enough that the police finally ran his record and found him to be fugitive.

So Tracy and Trevor, what do I want,straighten out all the registrations that are not true and make right all the transactions that you have scammed and frauded people on. Only you can straighten this out and then I wouldn't continue to do the same things to others-- doesn't matter where you live. That would include not trying to fraud people on rip off report. Trying to pass your self off as employee(husband) of TNT or anyone else and writing fraudulent reports, would be a good start.

Ruthie, why don't you post the pictures of you boys on this site, most people on rip off report had bad experiences (why the site is called rip off report), we would like to see what the good looks like.
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#65 Consumer Comment

Response to Andria

AUTHOR: Ruthie - (U.S.A.)

Andria-

I agree with you about "having a thing about honesty." I do as well. For me, it is never about the money, but the integrity of the person you are doing business with. If I had been as wronged as you and others, I would pursue it with everything I have because it comes down to ethics. And if everyone feels so strongly about TNT and their lack of, go after them, and don't stop.

With persistence and determination you get the outcome you are looking to achieve. I believe the heartache of everyone on this post. I am not making light of it at all. But if people knew something wasn't right, action should have been taken sooner.

If there is no trust, then a personal visit should have been made, with the police if need be. My boys were born on December 15, 2004. Based on the posts I have read here, these things happened after I purchased my boys. I am trying to understand what your trying to achieve. We all have dogs we love and our family love. We don't want to give them up. We can't replace them. So what is it you are trying to do here? Because these posts haven't stopped the Hindles from doing, what is claimed here on this site, in New Zealand. I really hope there are more people out there that purchased dogs and are happy the way we are.

I reiterate, I wish all of you the best.
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#66 Consumer Comment

Response

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

Ruthie, It is great that you have two healthy and happy dogs, you were quite fortunate and I am sure that there are some others that had good experiences. I understand that it isn't a perfect world and that some animals are going to be sick no matter what, but the Hindles should honor their own guarantees of which in at least two cases I know of they have not.

However, no one can justify to me, why the Hindles would bring a dog to us for breeding, MR HINDLE watched the dog breed with our stud and lock up. Then left their dog with our stud for three more days for more breedings, but when we go to pick out our pick of the litter puppy from the breeding, we are told the puppies don't belong to our stud, that they have supposely re-bred the female to their stud and they registered those puppies to their dog (TNT Angel Eyes Shaggy) and Mrs. Hindle did not have the puppies DNA tested.

She then sales these seven puppies to people knowing that their dog(Shaggy) isn't the father. I turned them into the AKC with thoughts that they would want the parentage of dogs to be correct, guess what? Even coming from a NC State Community Corrections Officer, they wanted me to pay for the investigation $500 up front. Then they wouldn't even go out to inspect-all they would do was send her notification along with DNA kits to have the puppies tested. What makes me think the Hindles would have been honest with those DNA tests and I was not going to lose $500 if she continued to be dishonest. I would have paid the $500 if the AKC would have gone and done an inspection and the DNA tests, but they would not. I know the Hindles knew how to play the system.

I also know what kind of people they are now from talking with law enforcment in Hickory. Seems Mr. Hindle had drug trafficing charges he was avoiding in New Zealand and he was also here illegally in this country. Back to the dogs, makes me wonder about the silvers being part Weimeramers. I read somewhere that DNA test can't prove the breed of the dog. Needless to say they ripped us off and countless others. As you can see I have this thing about dishonest people.
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#67 Consumer Comment

Owners of Winston and Guage

AUTHOR: Ruthie - (U.S.A.)

Hi, Jenny and Mary!

I believe I have seen your boys on TNT's website in the testimonials. I could be incorrect, but I remember a picture of a Winston graduating and getting married. Also, seeing a picture of Guage in a swimming pool. I thought how fortunate they were to have such loving parents. After seeing your photos, if that was you, I wanted to spoil my boys the same way. Not sure if you caught the picture of my boys dressed in Christmas hats on the site last year. My boys were sired by Sir Lancelot(Beau) out of Georgia. Their dam was Snowy's Angel, daughter of Shaggy. I have their pedigrees, and I keep in touch with Beau's breeder, in Georgia, via email.

Anyway, I never would have guessed your boys were sick based on the testimonials and picture. But I am sorry if you aren't the ones from the website. It's just interesting that you live so close and our boys are/could be distantly related. Anyway, I purchased my boys based on Sir Lancelot and his history. Plus, I had seen some of his previous litters and they were gorgeous!
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#68 Consumer Comment

Hi, Andria

AUTHOR: Ruthie - (U.S.A.)

Andria-

I was all over TNT's property looking at everything. I cannot say if they prepared things for my visit or not, but I was there on three different occasions and each time I had a pleasant experience. One was an unexpected pop in visit. They invited me into their home and everything was fine.

I can honestly say that when I was visitng TNT I saw nothing that resembled a puppy mill. All the dogs were healthy and happy during each of my three visits. I just want to offer a different perspective to this report. There are clearly people who have been wronged and then there are people like me that are pleased with TNT. I look at my boys and see two incredible labs. I get compliments all the time on how beautiful my boys are. Also, my vet has requested that we get the boys trained to be guide dogs because they are so sweet and smart.

It is a shame when any animal, along with the family, goes through something painful. It is unfortunate. But the reality is that some dogs aren't perfectly healthy regardless of where the dog is purchased. But as owners, we love them and keep going. Just as if they were our own children.

I wish you all, that have had a terrible ordeal with TNT, the best.
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#69 Consumer Comment

Response to Shari and others

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

Shari I wished there was some way to get your email address or phone number because I have more to tell of the story. I will say this, my husband has asked his sister to write about her problems with TNT. She had a male lab puppy that was sister to the female I saw at TNT labs last summer,that had hip dysplasia also, so in other words two puppies from same litter, same problem. They wouldn't honor the hip guarantee with her either, but it is a more complicated story than that and I hope she tells it. I think she ended up giving the puppy away to someone who could afford keeping it medicated for the rest of it'slife.
I came across a site last night on the internet where it stated something about a new breeder of labs in New Zealand that had imported silver's from the US is using his AKC papers to now register their dogs with New Zealand Kennel Club. Sounds like our people. Maybe their club will put a stop to them.

I do want to make one important point in our situation-why would someone bring their dog to us for breeding and watch them breed, then take the female home and breed her again and register the puppies to their stud without DNA testing them to see who they really belonged to. I hope people think about what they may have been attempting to do by doing this. I think I know the answer.
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#70 Author of original report

Our Dogs Can't Talk, But We'll Speak For Them...

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Dear Andria,
I want you to know that I did indeed find your report and the whole thing brakes my heart, it really does. It sure puts the icing on the cake as far as TNT goes and if we can get your statement over here, you may help a lot more people and their dogs and their dog's dogs, if that makes sense. :)
I want to thank everyone for taking the time to post their opinions and comments on this case and on their own experiences with TNT.
Lexi can't type (yet) so I have to do it for her and I will CONTINUE to speak for her until justice is somehow served.
Thanks again.
The best of luck, everyone!
Shari
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#71 Consumer Comment

Response to Ruthie and any others

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

We paid a surprized visit to TNT last summer, we didn't announce that we were paying a visit-we just showed up. The kennels were not in the best of shape, they were not clean and there were some very sickly looking puppies, one sickly looking adult dog and one deformed older puppy. We asked questions. The adult dog had oozing sores that Tracy said came from another dog jumping on it, but looked more like it had mange or a skin infection. We saw a dog that had hip diasplasia at six-seven months of age that Tracy stated that she had asked the vet to put down, but the vet told her to call lab rescue instead, he refused to put the dog down.

Ruthie, I don't know if they knew you were coming or not, but if they did what is to say they didn't clean up and hide some dogs from your view. When we showed up there were at least 70 dogs and puppies on that premises. I can understand that maybe it got that way because it was too much for Tracy to handle by herself since her husband was being held for deportation because he was illegal in this country. I

know that there will be some people out there that might have good experiences, but there some out there that have had very bad experiences. You can read my other report and see the experience that my husband and I had with them. There is always going to some unethical breeders out there. The saying "Buyer Beware" can sure fit in this situation.
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#72 Consumer Comment

Kim

AUTHOR: Jenny - (U.S.A.)

Kim,
I couldn't believe what you wrote about Lilly being scared and nervous. My dog is the exact same way! He is one and a half now, but up until about two months ago he got so scared in public he would lay down, cover his face, and pee if he saw another dog. At a pet store once he tried to crawl underneath a shelf to hide, knocking it over. Lilly's problem may be associated with her "cross-breeding" but Winston is yellow (almost white) so that's definitely not his issue. My mother is convinced he was hit or mistreated because even now if you raise your hand above his head, he thinks you're going to hit him, which can't be explained because no one in my family has ever hit him.

I hope your vet is helping you with the problem. Winston has gotten better by playing with other dogs. The first time he just laid there, and as much as I wanted to go rescue him and hug him, I let him lay there and he eventually got up and got involved in the playing. As much as all the issues with Winston make me upset with Tracy, I just keep reminding myself that I, and all of you, may have rescued these sweet puppies!
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#73 Consumer Comment

Tnt solution

AUTHOR: Andria - (U.S.A.)

I wrote a report already but it went as a separate report, please search and find my report and read it. I would really like Shari to see it. I know what she has gone through. Also Mary, I understand the confusion over who the stud is of your puppy and there are six other puppies out there that are the same from just that litter alone. There isn't much of a solution for the Hindles being they are in a different country now, except keep reporting unethical breeders to the AKC and this site for everyone to see, this way one day it might drive them out of business.
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#74 Consumer Comment

Shocked

AUTHOR: Ruthie - (U.S.A.)

I was very disturbed by the emails I have read on this site. I purchased 2 gorgeous boys from TNT Labs and have been very pleased. Tracy was very kind to me when we discovered our youngest boy, at 5 months, had arthritis in his elbows. She offered to give us a full refund because we were so distraught. But we love King too much to give him back because we knew he would be destroyed. We spent thousands on King, and he is doing very well now. But we do have an incredible vet.

I am sorry for all your problems with your dog. We did a lot of research and we had a totally different experience then you did. The kennel was clean every time we visited. And Tracy was suprised when we wanted to pick our boys up on the 49th day of their lives. That is when Richard Wolters says you should in his book, "Family Dog," and we did, and we have the most intelligent, well socialized boys.

Tracy wanted us to come in the 8-9 week range. But she was very supportive with us on all our decisions. We had even planned to purchase 2 silvers from TNT in the next few years. I am sad to know they are no longer in the states. But I wish you all the best with your girl, Lexi.
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#75 Consumer Suggestion

Shady Folks

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

I own a 2yr old "Silver" that I love dearly. I was initially interested in a "White" but after talking to Trevor on the phone I decided to buy Lilly (the silver) partially because the add in the paper I responded to was for white yellow blondes etc but he had just convieniently "sold" the last one female but was quick to let me know he had Silvers! After seeing some pics on their website I decided to buy one out of the "cheaper litter" so I had 2 choices to pick from in the $1000 bracket. I drove from Raleigh to just outside of where TNT was located to meet Trevor who agreed to bring both silver females so I could decide!!

When I met him he had only one because somehow in the 2-3 hours from when we made these plans he just happened to have sold the other!! Now I wouldn't trade Lil for the world and the only problem I have with her is that she is mortified of everything and everybody and I truely believe its some sort of mishap with a long ago far away mixing in of a weim!! I don't know what to do because outside of this house she just doesn't act like a dog should shes so pathetic and barks and cowers and that is no way for a dog to live so with the help of my Vet we're workin on that!!

I agree with the fact that these people are shady because I called a few months back lookin into a white lab and some random answered the phone and said that Trevor and Tracy had moved back to New Zealand and that he and his wife were helping out and running the business in Hickory for them but they would still be breeding in NZ as well. Fine...so i ask about a pup and he says "well my wife handles all that you need to speak to her...But shes asleep give me your number"

I neevr heard back and I notice that little by little the 2TNT websites have deteriorated and gone away...and I did catch the post from "Trevor the former employee" aka husband in my past experience!! Shady shady shady thats all I can say and its a shame...thank god I didn't actually go pick her up and see that place I would have been sick I can see why he was ok with meeeting me elsewhere!! I hate to hear that any of you have had such problems with these folks but it really does confirm my doubts about them and their multiple names etc etc etc

Gabby I hope you can get something done on your end because I have to ask myself.."If they were so "legit" why get rid of their websites why not just change the info etc if they plan on continuing the "quality,upstanding" breeding they were advertising???"
Good luck to all and now I'm gonna go love my Choc.(Daisy),my Silver (Lilly), and baby makes 3 my Yellow (Poppie) who was sooooo Not associated with the TNT folks

Take Care
Kim,Daisy,Lilly and Poppie
Raleigh,Nc
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#76 Author of original report

I forgive you, Tracey.

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

"Her first sentence was an outright lie and the rest... well what can I say. They did travel a long way to see my pups but were NOT coming to buy a silver."

"I had blondes ($600) and chocolates ($500) that were ready to go to new homes but when they saw the silver puppy they insisited on THAT one. Reluctantly I sold her at 5 weeks! as she was weaned and doing well. I did not want to disappoint the kids after they drove so far."

Lol.
Ya know Tracey, you never cease to amaze me. You were "ruluctant"...? Hmmm. We weren't coming to buy a Silver huh...?

I didn't call you and speak to you over the phone before we came to your house to make sure you had Silver females available? Why would we drive so far to buy a Yellow or a Black or even a Chocolate (which Silvers are, by the way) when we do have plenty here in Michigan?

We didn't email each other 3 times concerning your Silver Labs before our family made the trip to North Carolina? Which brings me to another question: do you even like kids? There was no evidence of that statement either, in fact I honestly don't recall you even noticing our two boys.

I suppose I don't have all 9 of your emails, either, concerning our Silver pup before and after the purchase, do I? I thought about posting those as well, but you'd just deny those too somehow.

Every time you open your mouth you stick your foot in it and no, I'm not too far away. Why don't you tell us the REAL reason you can't sue me for slander... because it's simply the truth; too many wittnesses, too many complaints against you.

"Those with integrity expect to be believed and when they're not, they let time prove them right."

Have a good day, everyone. You too, Tracey, and I really hope you can someday admit your mistakes and move on. I have forgiven you.
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#77 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Lab Lover First and Foremost

AUTHOR: Tracy - (U.S.A.)

I only bred silver labs for about 6 years during the 12 years I have been involved in it. Shari was one of the unlucky ones and I am sure that she takes no blame in any of this.

Now that I am breeding labs here in NZ I have come to the attention of many other breeders who are very upset about me "moving in on their territory." They have caused so much trouble that I have had to hire a lawyer to stop this defamation being made by Gabriell (Gabby as she is known in NZ... Wonder Why??) and others...

Since I know there are a few of you Kiwis reading this then let me just say that you are not at all like I thought you would be. Instead you are close minded, ignorant to the facts and biased in your opinions. I have done nothing wrong and will continue to provide pets(not show dogs)for some of the real lab lovers in the world who are not biggots and racists when color is involved. Since you both, Gabby and Trisha, claim to be breeders then I am sure none of your dogs have ever gotten sick or had hip dysplasia Right??

Amazing how a little fuel will make a spark roar! The threads that Gabby and Trisha have been fueling here in NZ have me selling puppies at 4 weeks of age now! Wonder why people are so nieve and think that Shari is telling the truth. Her first sentence was an outright lie and the rest... well what can I say. They did travel a long way to see my pups but were NOT coming to buy a silver.

I had blondes ($600) and chocolates ($500) that were ready to go to new homes but when they saw the silver puppy they insisited on THAT one. Reluctantly I sold her at 5 weeks! as she was weaned and doing well. I did not want to disappoint the kids after they drove so far.

Shari wanted the SILVER female and paid $1000 because she wanted to breed her which in turn was the reason for the price. I sold silver females with restricted registration for $750 but they wanted her to breed!

Shari left out alot of the facts and now has some belieing not only in America but now here in NZ that I was and am now a puppy mill. You are too far away to take to court for your slander but thanks for providing me a real case of defamation here in NZ. Your thread has brought out the worst in many breeders to my advantage.

The silvers are here to stay just as the chocolates are despite many attemts to control them. As a breeder I will continue to produce the best lab possible no matter what color. The hundreds of happy clients and friends I have had over the decade of breeding is worth so much more to me.

I would love to be able to produce a lab that never gets sick or crippled which is why I guaranteed my dogs. Wonder if any of the so called reputable breeders in NZ offer warranties?? Even in America I was one of the few who did. There are always some who ruin it for the rest of us. That's Life!!!
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#78 Consumer Comment

Not Australia New Zealand

AUTHOR: Trisha - (New Zealand)

As gabby has already stated, Trevor and Tracy Hindle are now breeding "Silver" Labradors in New Zealand, and I so wish I could post his e-mail, web site home phone number etc so you can continue the legal action you have started. This person needs to be held accountable for the breeding of cross bred dogs and registering them as pure bred Labradors. The fact they are registering Silvers as chocolate is to me fraud, but I am not a Lawyer.

One has already turned up at a large show here and its owner proudly stating that she intended to show her dog, which by the way I am told looked like an undocked Weimaraner, thankfully the dog was not entered as she would have been asked to leave the ring. This puppy buyer paid alot of money for this cross breed. As a Labrador breeder it concerns me greatly that the purity of the breed is being depleted by another breed. To all those people who state that silvers have appeared over the year as a natural colour of the breed are way off base.

The first "silver" appeared around the 1940's and only in the States. Well the breed has been around since the 1800's so why has it taken almost 100 years for a silver to first appear.
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#79 Author of original report

Can't Hide From the Internet...

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Dear Gabrielle,

Thank you so much for your input and your well-wishes for Lexi; she's definately the princess around here and knows it. She's doing good. Lexi also looks and acts a lot like a Weimaraner, so your suspicions may be very accurate.
I hear a lot about New Zealand from my Australian friends who absolutely adore your country and visit often.

We're relieved to know that even though Trevor and Tracey have moved out of the States they're already being "caught on to" by reputable breeders like yourselves. I guess they can't escape the Internet no matter how far they try to go.

Thank you so much again for stepping in and the best of luck to you and the rest, with the Hindle's and their scams of taking advantage of dog lovers.

Congratulations for being aware and sticking up for what you know is right. I'm proud of you.
Please keep us informed if you can.
Thank you again, Gabrielle.
Blessings,
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#80 Consumer Comment

TNT Now In New Zealand!

AUTHOR: Gabrielle - (New Zealand)

I have read the comments with much interest and dismay.
I am a New Zealand Kennel Club registered breeder of pedigree Labradors for the last 20 years in New Zealand.
I am sorry to report TNT Labradors along with the breeder Trevor Hindle are alive and well and now living in New Zealand.
I and other registered Labrador breeders came across these so called silver Labradors via a internet auction site where Mr Hindle was advertising silver, blonde, white, chocolate and charcoal pups ( every colour bar purple with green spots really) Lab pups for sale at NZ $1000-$1500 each.
He is also advertising his pups in newspapers.
We were concerned due to the probability that these 'silver' Labs came about from the introduction of the Weimaraner and the damage this could do to the reputation and honesty of our much loved breed.
Naturally we are also worried that unsuspecting puppy buyers will be attracted to these new colours not realizing they are not recognised nor can silver be registered as silver but as chocolate.
The thought of these unrecognized colours infiltrating the breed here through indiscriminate breeding and puppy farming is very worrying.
He has already sold quite a few pups since his arrival here in New Zealand having brought bitches over from the States already in pup with more litters on the way.
Various reputable Labrador breeders including myself have requested to the New Zealand Kennel Club that they not register these litters and that Mr Hindle and his breeding practices be investigated.
I am sorry to hear of your dog's health issues Shari and wish you the very best with her future quality of life.
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#81 Consumer Suggestion

.. A TYPICAL TALE OF TNT - UPDATE

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Thank you, Jenny for telling your story. It's another typical tale of Tracie and Trevor and how they do business. You may have helped more people from becoming victims themselves.

I just wanted to let everyone know that we're at a dead-end with the BBB, the AKC and other such associates we had filed claims with against TNT because Tracey and Trevor are very good at what they do... scamming dog lovers. Lovely.

Update on Lexi's health: she had an episode where it seemed that one of her hips were mislocated from laying on it wrong. The next day it was back to normal. I just hope that that was the first and the last that we've seen of THAT situation.

Lexi can lay on the couch, looking so cute and inviting. Sometimes I gently crawl up and sit next to her. I try to love on her and she snaps at me then gets down off the couch. What's that...?! She's a sweetheart but a lot of times she doesn't want anyone to get close to her, as if she was a girl scorned. Kind of hurts my feelings sometimes. I don't know if it's because of her hip surgery or what, but it's almost as if she becomes another dog. I was just wondering if anyone else had this issue with their Lab.

On top of everything else Lexi has Mange and needs to get a dip bath every two weeks to keep it under control. Again, a result of poor breeding. Shocking, I know.

My girl has been through a lot and I love Lexi with all my heart. I dread the day that she will probably have to be put down as her Dysplasia may get to the point where it is too awful for her to bear as she gets older. I will continue to do everything humanly possible to keep her comfortable and pray that that day never comes.

As for TNT Labrador: what comes around goes around and God will deal with you in his own way.

Take care, everyone, and good luck.
Sincerely,
Shari
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#82 Consumer Comment

My TNT lab

AUTHOR: Jenny - (U.S.A.)

I got a yellow lab from Tracy last spring and while he is the love of my life, we have had quite a few issues.

First of all, it was somewhat disturbing that she was ready to give him up to me at 5 weeks old, so I requested to wait until he was 8 weeks, at which point he was the only one left in his litter and was sheepish and couldn't stand to be away from his mother since all his siblings were gone.

When I had gone to see him at 5 weeks he was in good shape, energetic, and happy. When I picked him up 3 weeks later he could barely move and had to slide on his bloated belly. Tracy told me it was because he had just eaten.

I found out later that night when I spent 4 hours in at the emergency vet that he really had a parasite. The vet told me it was common at "puppy farms" and good breeders put medicine in the puppies' water to prevent it.

When I called Trevor the next day he said there was nothing he could do about the $420 medical bill but that I should have brought the puppy to him and he would have cured him for free... taking a puppy who couldn't even hold down water on a four hour drive was not a reasonable option.

Then I found out that the website's "OFA hip certification" only applies to certain dogs, my dog's parents not included. He was sheepish for the first few months and still when people raise their hands to pet his head he closes his eyes and pulls away.... he is a 94 pound male and such a scaredy cat.

Things were good for awhile, but now he was food allergies, just like Spring said her dog does. His paws are red and raw and he was constant ear infections. My vet said he is the most beautiful lab he has ever seen but there are more than enough reasons to indicate poor breeding.

All I can thank Tracy for is for selling me the best dog I've ever had and for not keeping him herself. Wherever Tracy and Trevor (who were definitely married with a college age daughter when I went last March), I hope they get out of this business.
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#83 Consumer Comment

My TNT lab

AUTHOR: Jenny - (U.S.A.)

I got a yellow lab from Tracy last spring and while he is the love of my life, we have had quite a few issues.

First of all, it was somewhat disturbing that she was ready to give him up to me at 5 weeks old, so I requested to wait until he was 8 weeks, at which point he was the only one left in his litter and was sheepish and couldn't stand to be away from his mother since all his siblings were gone.

When I had gone to see him at 5 weeks he was in good shape, energetic, and happy. When I picked him up 3 weeks later he could barely move and had to slide on his bloated belly. Tracy told me it was because he had just eaten.

I found out later that night when I spent 4 hours in at the emergency vet that he really had a parasite. The vet told me it was common at "puppy farms" and good breeders put medicine in the puppies' water to prevent it.

When I called Trevor the next day he said there was nothing he could do about the $420 medical bill but that I should have brought the puppy to him and he would have cured him for free... taking a puppy who couldn't even hold down water on a four hour drive was not a reasonable option.

Then I found out that the website's "OFA hip certification" only applies to certain dogs, my dog's parents not included. He was sheepish for the first few months and still when people raise their hands to pet his head he closes his eyes and pulls away.... he is a 94 pound male and such a scaredy cat.

Things were good for awhile, but now he was food allergies, just like Spring said her dog does. His paws are red and raw and he was constant ear infections. My vet said he is the most beautiful lab he has ever seen but there are more than enough reasons to indicate poor breeding.

All I can thank Tracy for is for selling me the best dog I've ever had and for not keeping him herself. Wherever Tracy and Trevor (who were definitely married with a college age daughter when I went last March), I hope they get out of this business.
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#84 Consumer Comment

My TNT lab

AUTHOR: Jenny - (U.S.A.)

I got a yellow lab from Tracy last spring and while he is the love of my life, we have had quite a few issues.

First of all, it was somewhat disturbing that she was ready to give him up to me at 5 weeks old, so I requested to wait until he was 8 weeks, at which point he was the only one left in his litter and was sheepish and couldn't stand to be away from his mother since all his siblings were gone.

When I had gone to see him at 5 weeks he was in good shape, energetic, and happy. When I picked him up 3 weeks later he could barely move and had to slide on his bloated belly. Tracy told me it was because he had just eaten.

I found out later that night when I spent 4 hours in at the emergency vet that he really had a parasite. The vet told me it was common at "puppy farms" and good breeders put medicine in the puppies' water to prevent it.

When I called Trevor the next day he said there was nothing he could do about the $420 medical bill but that I should have brought the puppy to him and he would have cured him for free... taking a puppy who couldn't even hold down water on a four hour drive was not a reasonable option.

Then I found out that the website's "OFA hip certification" only applies to certain dogs, my dog's parents not included. He was sheepish for the first few months and still when people raise their hands to pet his head he closes his eyes and pulls away.... he is a 94 pound male and such a scaredy cat.

Things were good for awhile, but now he was food allergies, just like Spring said her dog does. His paws are red and raw and he was constant ear infections. My vet said he is the most beautiful lab he has ever seen but there are more than enough reasons to indicate poor breeding.

All I can thank Tracy for is for selling me the best dog I've ever had and for not keeping him herself. Wherever Tracy and Trevor (who were definitely married with a college age daughter when I went last March), I hope they get out of this business.
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#85 Consumer Suggestion

Info on TNT sold labs

AUTHOR: L - (U.S.A.)

I read all these reports and noticed that someone stated the labs from TNT were sold to High Country Labs. I did a search. High Country Labs does exist. If there are new owners with the sell, then the new people should not be criticized for the reputation that TNT developed. That does not mean that I recommend them. I do not know them. I do know that the AKC does NOT recognize silver labs. Labs are black, yellow, and chocolate. With all breeders, do your research before purchasing a pup from any breeder.

For the lady that loved her dog and paid for the 2 surgeries when she was obviously sold a very unhealthy pup, I commend you! I commend you for being a loving pet owner, for doing everything to take care of your pet, but also for warning others what is happening in this world. People need to be informed. I wish the best for you and your family. when I say family that means your dog too - pets are family!
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#86 Consumer Comment

Silver Lab

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

I also bought a silver lab from Tracey. He is now 2 years old & we have had no problems. I even have spoke to Tracey & Trevor reguarding some things with my lab & they have been nothing but helpful. We drove 16 hours one way to go get him with our 2 dachshunds. I found there facilities very sutiable. The reason the females were skinny is because they just had a litter of puppies that also have to nurse, & just like us it takes awhile to bounce back. They are opposite of us, they loose a lot of weight & take awhile to gain it back.

As for Tom in New Jeresy, If you do the research on the silver labs you'll see what the AKC says about them. Yes they are registered as chocolate, but just as the yellows range from fox-red to light cream. Chocolates range from Sedge to Chocolate. So how is the silver lab any difference. If they really were mixed breeds then why doesn't anyone do scientific research to prove it. I know my lab is a lab. Anyone out there with a silver lab if notice when the sun hits there coat just right they look like a light chocolate lab. My silver lab changes color with the seasons. In the winter he gets darker (medium chocolate) & in the summer he gets lighter a silver color, but you can still see the chocolate as his undercoating.
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#87 Consumer Suggestion

How to Buy a Labrador

AUTHOR: Karlene - (U.S.A.)

I am a Labrador Retriever breeder. I won't give you my kennel name, as I don't want anyone to think I'm posting in order to get business.

As a breeder who loves this breed, it breaks my heart to see all the "niche" breeders, back yard breeders and puppy millers doing their best to destroy this wonderful breed.

Labs come in three colors; black, yellow and chocolate. There are shades of yellow ranging from cream to fox red. Silver is not an accepted Lab color, and silver labs are registered as chocolate. While most reputable breeders agree that the silver coloration was introduced either accidentally or purposefully by mixing with Weims, there is no possible way to prove this. DNA testing only enables us to confirm parentage of a dog and is not breed specific, especially when the cross happened long ago. Despite the claims of silver breeders, there is never a mention of the silver coloration in the historical breed information on labs. Yellows and chocolates yes, but no silver.

As to the AKC, it does not certify quality of the dogs or the breeder. It is merely a regisration organization, which takes most registrations on faith. The fact that a dog is AKC registered is not a guarantee of quality, it just means that hopefully the dog's ancestors are knows. (I say hopefully because unless they have a reason to investigate, the AKC takes on faith what the breeder claims to be true.)

So, how does one find a good, reputable breeder? Check the parent club, search for clubs in your area, search for Labrador breeders on the internet. Then, look carefully. Do the breeders have dogs with kennel names preceding their names, or are they things like "Bob's Little Princess." Most kennels are proud of what they have produced, and insist on their kennel name being attached. How many dogs does the breeder have? Do they breed their own girls to their own studs? A reputable breeder is constantly trying to perfect what they have and bring it closer to the standard. While this person may sometimes breed to their own stud dogs, usually they are breeding to outside studs, sometimes hundreds of miles away, in an attempt to breed the best.

What is the breeder doing with their dogs? Are they active in conformation showing, obedience, agility or field work, or do their dogs just sit at home and make puppies? A good breeder will try to prove their dogs in the venue in which they are interested. Ask them about their activities with dogs. If they tell you they don't have the money to do all that, or they aren't interested, find someone else.

A good breeder will have clearances on their dogs, and be willing and able to show these to you. A minimum should be OFA or Penn Hip certified hips, and eyes CERFed yearly. Elbow clearances on breeding stock are typical among most quality breeders. Many breeders may also certify their dogs thyroids and hearts, and have an Optigen test on their dogs eyes. A breeder performing these types of clearances is concerned with what they are producing.

A good breeder will ask you a lot of questions. They want to be sure that their puppy is going to a home where it will be loved and cared for. Most reputable breeders will offer a health warrantee (remember, no one can ever GUARANTEE that your pup won't get hip dysplasia) and will also typically sell pet quality puppies on a spay/neuter agreement, often with limited registration. This is not to ensure they keep a "lock" on the market, but to protect the breed and allow the breeding only of those specimens that conform to the standard in both appearance and temperament.

A reputable breeder will not allow you to take a puppy home before 7 weeks of age, and most before 8 weeks of age. They know the puppies need to be with their littermates and mother and be properly socialized. When you receive your pup, it should be clean, have it's initial vaccinations and have been wormed. Some breeders will micro-chip, though this is not a law
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#88 Author of original report

THANXS, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS!

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Hi Tom and thank you for your post.


You are correct, Lexi is not registered through the AKC as a Silver/Gray Lab she is registered as a Chocolate and the thought of her being a Chocolate Lab/Weimaraner mix has certainly crossed my mind. She sure looks a lot like a Weimaraner and I've heard of Breeders doing this to produce a "Silver Lab". It's very possible not to mention, sad, if this is what has caused her severe hip displaysia.

We have filed with an attorney months ago but it's a very slow, painstaking process. Thank you again for your comments. :)

Mary in NC, I know how you feel about getting the run-around with this woman and the same names are on my paperwork as well only it's 'Ervin' Mitchem on mine; I don't know who they are.

I truly hate the fact that Tracy and Trevor have hurt so many people not to mention, dogs and puppies, and often wonder how many others of us are out there. One day I will post all of Tracy's emails to me as they are quite humorous with all of the obvious contradictions and deceit that she had repetitiously put on herself. Please note that I wouldn't normally speak in this manner without the presence of the "allegedly accused" or anyone else for that matter, but I know Tracy is here and perfectly capable of defending herself.

If I can help in any way with the investigation or anything else, Mary, you just let me know. You can contact me through my email address, . I'm very sorry you have to go through this and I feel your discouragement. I really hope that your dogs grow up to be nice and healthy with zero issues.

Good luck and thank you very much for taking the time to tell us your story.

I also want to take time out to thank everyone who say's such nice things about wishing Lexi well. It really means a lot and I try to transfer that feeling to her. :)

Regards and best wishes


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#89 Author of original report

THANXS, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS!

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Hi Tom and thank you for your post.


You are correct, Lexi is not registered through the AKC as a Silver/Gray Lab she is registered as a Chocolate and the thought of her being a Chocolate Lab/Weimaraner mix has certainly crossed my mind. She sure looks a lot like a Weimaraner and I've heard of Breeders doing this to produce a "Silver Lab". It's very possible not to mention, sad, if this is what has caused her severe hip displaysia.

We have filed with an attorney months ago but it's a very slow, painstaking process. Thank you again for your comments. :)

Mary in NC, I know how you feel about getting the run-around with this woman and the same names are on my paperwork as well only it's 'Ervin' Mitchem on mine; I don't know who they are.

I truly hate the fact that Tracy and Trevor have hurt so many people not to mention, dogs and puppies, and often wonder how many others of us are out there. One day I will post all of Tracy's emails to me as they are quite humorous with all of the obvious contradictions and deceit that she had repetitiously put on herself. Please note that I wouldn't normally speak in this manner without the presence of the "allegedly accused" or anyone else for that matter, but I know Tracy is here and perfectly capable of defending herself.

If I can help in any way with the investigation or anything else, Mary, you just let me know. You can contact me through my email address, . I'm very sorry you have to go through this and I feel your discouragement. I really hope that your dogs grow up to be nice and healthy with zero issues.

Good luck and thank you very much for taking the time to tell us your story.

I also want to take time out to thank everyone who say's such nice things about wishing Lexi well. It really means a lot and I try to transfer that feeling to her. :)

Regards and best wishes


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#90 Author of original report

THANXS, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS!

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Hi Tom and thank you for your post.


You are correct, Lexi is not registered through the AKC as a Silver/Gray Lab she is registered as a Chocolate and the thought of her being a Chocolate Lab/Weimaraner mix has certainly crossed my mind. She sure looks a lot like a Weimaraner and I've heard of Breeders doing this to produce a "Silver Lab". It's very possible not to mention, sad, if this is what has caused her severe hip displaysia.

We have filed with an attorney months ago but it's a very slow, painstaking process. Thank you again for your comments. :)

Mary in NC, I know how you feel about getting the run-around with this woman and the same names are on my paperwork as well only it's 'Ervin' Mitchem on mine; I don't know who they are.

I truly hate the fact that Tracy and Trevor have hurt so many people not to mention, dogs and puppies, and often wonder how many others of us are out there. One day I will post all of Tracy's emails to me as they are quite humorous with all of the obvious contradictions and deceit that she had repetitiously put on herself. Please note that I wouldn't normally speak in this manner without the presence of the "allegedly accused" or anyone else for that matter, but I know Tracy is here and perfectly capable of defending herself.

If I can help in any way with the investigation or anything else, Mary, you just let me know. You can contact me through my email address, . I'm very sorry you have to go through this and I feel your discouragement. I really hope that your dogs grow up to be nice and healthy with zero issues.

Good luck and thank you very much for taking the time to tell us your story.

I also want to take time out to thank everyone who say's such nice things about wishing Lexi well. It really means a lot and I try to transfer that feeling to her. :)

Regards and best wishes


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THANXS, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS!

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Hi Tom and thank you for your post.


You are correct, Lexi is not registered through the AKC as a Silver/Gray Lab she is registered as a Chocolate and the thought of her being a Chocolate Lab/Weimaraner mix has certainly crossed my mind. She sure looks a lot like a Weimaraner and I've heard of Breeders doing this to produce a "Silver Lab". It's very possible not to mention, sad, if this is what has caused her severe hip displaysia.

We have filed with an attorney months ago but it's a very slow, painstaking process. Thank you again for your comments. :)

Mary in NC, I know how you feel about getting the run-around with this woman and the same names are on my paperwork as well only it's 'Ervin' Mitchem on mine; I don't know who they are.

I truly hate the fact that Tracy and Trevor have hurt so many people not to mention, dogs and puppies, and often wonder how many others of us are out there. One day I will post all of Tracy's emails to me as they are quite humorous with all of the obvious contradictions and deceit that she had repetitiously put on herself. Please note that I wouldn't normally speak in this manner without the presence of the "allegedly accused" or anyone else for that matter, but I know Tracy is here and perfectly capable of defending herself.

If I can help in any way with the investigation or anything else, Mary, you just let me know. You can contact me through my email address, . I'm very sorry you have to go through this and I feel your discouragement. I really hope that your dogs grow up to be nice and healthy with zero issues.

Good luck and thank you very much for taking the time to tell us your story.

I also want to take time out to thank everyone who say's such nice things about wishing Lexi well. It really means a lot and I try to transfer that feeling to her. :)

Regards and best wishes


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#92 Consumer Comment

Tnt Silver Labradors Blonde Lab Pups Tracy Mitchem

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

We had purchased a Fox Red lab and a Silver lab from TNT. As we read your article we sat with our mouth's wide open. We had questioned the possiblity of TNT being a puppy mill when we registered our dogs with the AKC. There were approximately four litters, and about 20 dogs on site when we picked up our silver lab.

We noticed all the alias name changes of these people as well: Tracey Hindle (our payments were made to this name and this name is the name for the AKC), Tracey Mitchem, and our AKC papers have Erwin and Bernice Mitchem names as well (who are these people??).

Sounded very fishy to us at the time. When we picked up the Fox Red lab, there were only about 10 dogs on site. We questioned this and were told by Tracey that her neighbor had reported the noise and she had to get rid of some of her animals. She also told us that her husband had left her and they were getting a divorce. We were really concerned about where all the dogs went and it seemed as if the stories kept changing.

Our silver lab-Gauge (sire Tex and dam was Cindy) had a bacterial infection when we brought him home and had to be on antibiotics. The puppies that were on site at the time were supposedly part of our silvers litter and they looked sickly and were half the size of our dog. They were also in a pen that was a long side the nursery building and they were laying on the bare ground (dirt).

Our Fox Red-Riggins was supposed to have been sired by a dog named Red but everytime we asked who the sire was we got a different answer from Tracey. We had already chosen him and paid for him in advance when we were told that he was actually sired by a dog named Shaggy (an English lab, even though we had told her that we weren't interested in the English breed) on the day that we picked him up to come home. Both our puppies had digestive problems when they came home. Riggins had a skin infection as well.

After reading the comments on here we decided to look up the website and give her a call. Tracey answered the phone and said that she is no longer in the business and she was in Australia. Funny how she answered a NC phone number that we had called previously but supposedly she is in Australia. Hmmmmmmm??? She said that she had given all her dogs to a cousin in Statesville, NC called HighCountryLabs and we have no idea where all the sires and dams are now from our labs being TNT's Texas Lonestar, TNT's Precious Cindy for the silver and TNT's Angel Eyed Shaggy and Princess Penny of Dalsingona for the Fox Red. We looked at their website and didn't see any of those names.

Our dogs as far as we know were not microchipped. The prices were something that we kept seeing change drastically on the website as well. We had paid $1000 for the silver and $650 for the Fox Red. Awhile after getting our dogs home, we checked the website and noticed that the prices had dropped.

We decided to write as we felt that this place was a puppy mill even though we had never seen one. We WOULDN'T trade our dogs for anything as they are part of our family or put them down if they had any medical issues. We would have gone the surgery route as Shari had done as well.
We called the AKC and found that Tracey Hindle as she is listed by AKC is still listed with them and we are faxing information to them so that they can perform an investigation. It sounds as if this is a vicious circle of deceitful last names and money hungry people who have taken advantage of lab lovers.

We would also like to get more information on HighCountryLabs as to where all Tracey's sires and dams of our dogs went since those names are not listed on the new website. Is this a case of just changing names of breeders and kennels so that this can happen to other people?

M and D
North Carolina
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#93 Consumer Comment

Gray Lab???

AUTHOR: Tom - (U.S.A.)

I'm a dog lover (I currently have a Golden Retriever) and really feel bad about your experiences, but I'm a little skeptical about some of this.

First, you state you have a Gray Lab and it's AKC Certified. That should have been the first red flag. There is not an AKC certification for a gray lab. That is a mixed breed. From the akc.org website regarding Labs:

"Color
The Labrador Retriever coat colors are black, yellow and chocolate. Any other color or a combination of colors is a disqualification. A small white spot on the chest is permissible, but not desirable. White hairs from aging or scarring are not to be misinterpreted as brindling. Black--Blacks are all black. A black with brindle markings or a black with tan markings is a disqualification. Yellow--Yellows may range in color from fox-red to light cream, with variations in shading on the ears, back, and underparts of the dog. Chocolate--Chocolates can vary in shade from light to dark chocolate. Chocolate with brindle or tan markings is a disqualification."

You have a mixed breed and have been lied to about the AKC registrations. Most likely, it's a mix of a Chocolate Lab and a Weimaraner, which would attribute to the hip displaysia.

Again, I'm not bashing you, but it seems like this TNT place is a bunch of liars. Don't know if you are seeking legal action, but I hope your dog gets better real soon.
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#94 Consumer Suggestion

Love of her life QUARENTINED?!

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Thank you Barbara, for all of your information... I will definately look into it and update all of our filed documentation.

I was quoting Trevor's response to this thread when he said that "he had worked for TNT for 10 years and that I should've accepted Tracy's replacement pup and sent Lexi to Heaven." It's signed, Trever - Ft Lauderdale, Florida. I still can't believe THAT post. :)
You've been a big help and I thank you very much, Barbara. :)

I also I appreciate your information M-Benson, and your comment toward Lexi. She'll never be 100% and it really tugs at my heart sometimes to watch her in action. Yes, Tracy's last name was Hindle when I bought Lexi as well and there is a third name on my paperwork too. I also pray that you have a healthy puppy over there and chances are you do. My Vet said that Lexi's case was in the top 10 worse cases of Hip Dysplasia that he had ever seen in his 36 years of practice. I guess God just chose us to take care of Lexi and we wouldn't have it any other way; she's just SO darn cute and thinks she's a people. ;)

One thing bothers me however and that is how a person who claims to love her dogs SO much (referring to Post, "My Love, My Life") could even consider placing them in quarantine. It's just inconcievable to me, although believable considering who the "breeders" are.

Regards and God Bless,
Shari
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#95 Consumer Comment

INFORMATION

AUTHOR: M - (U.S.A.)

My family purchased a Lab puppy from Tracy in January 2006. She told us she had to sell most to all her dogs because she was moving to Australia and it was too much money to put them in quarantine. She said her husband was already there and that she was waiting for her daughter to get out of school to move and it would probably be this summer before it happened. When I wrote the check out to her she requested I put Tracy Hindle so her and Trevor must be married. Also on my AKC paperwork, it reads Trevor Hindle and someone else's name not her's though. I do know that hip dysplasia is not only hereditary and that it also comes from poor diet and exercise. But she should stand by her word/contract if she is a reputable breeder. We have not had any problems with our puppy and pray that we don't. Glad to hear Lexi is doing well after her surgerys.
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#96 Consumer Comment

INFORMATION

AUTHOR: M - (U.S.A.)

My family purchased a Lab puppy from Tracy in January 2006. She told us she had to sell most to all her dogs because she was moving to Australia and it was too much money to put them in quarantine. She said her husband was already there and that she was waiting for her daughter to get out of school to move and it would probably be this summer before it happened. When I wrote the check out to her she requested I put Tracy Hindle so her and Trevor must be married. Also on my AKC paperwork, it reads Trevor Hindle and someone else's name not her's though. I do know that hip dysplasia is not only hereditary and that it also comes from poor diet and exercise. But she should stand by her word/contract if she is a reputable breeder. We have not had any problems with our puppy and pray that we don't. Glad to hear Lexi is doing well after her surgerys.
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#97 Consumer Comment

INFORMATION

AUTHOR: M - (U.S.A.)

My family purchased a Lab puppy from Tracy in January 2006. She told us she had to sell most to all her dogs because she was moving to Australia and it was too much money to put them in quarantine. She said her husband was already there and that she was waiting for her daughter to get out of school to move and it would probably be this summer before it happened. When I wrote the check out to her she requested I put Tracy Hindle so her and Trevor must be married. Also on my AKC paperwork, it reads Trevor Hindle and someone else's name not her's though. I do know that hip dysplasia is not only hereditary and that it also comes from poor diet and exercise. But she should stand by her word/contract if she is a reputable breeder. We have not had any problems with our puppy and pray that we don't. Glad to hear Lexi is doing well after her surgerys.
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#98 Consumer Comment

INFORMATION

AUTHOR: M - (U.S.A.)

My family purchased a Lab puppy from Tracy in January 2006. She told us she had to sell most to all her dogs because she was moving to Australia and it was too much money to put them in quarantine. She said her husband was already there and that she was waiting for her daughter to get out of school to move and it would probably be this summer before it happened. When I wrote the check out to her she requested I put Tracy Hindle so her and Trevor must be married. Also on my AKC paperwork, it reads Trevor Hindle and someone else's name not her's though. I do know that hip dysplasia is not only hereditary and that it also comes from poor diet and exercise. But she should stand by her word/contract if she is a reputable breeder. We have not had any problems with our puppy and pray that we don't. Glad to hear Lexi is doing well after her surgerys.
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#99 Consumer Suggestion

Possible Info

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

Shari:

My sister emailed TNT 2x recently about a puppy and never heard back. I recall Tracy telling me in an email that she was looking to sell her Moms house and her house in Hickory. She said her dogs were staying with her cousin in NC. Now the TNT site says NC whereas it used to say Hickory, NC. You said that Trevor may be in FL. BTW, I recall that he said he was married to Tracy and they had at least 2 grown kids.

My dods father was Tex and his Mom was something like Silver Dollar. I have to dig out the papers to check. I did a google search on Tracey and found this..

Contact:, Tracey Mitchem, Email: tnsales@pensacola.com. Address:, 225 North Pace Blvd. Pensacola, Fl 32505. The Real Estate Book, Phone: 850-983-0034 ...

Funny, same kind of email address by - the "t". Now its TN not TNT, maybe it's minus Trevor.
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#100 Consumer Suggestion

LEXI'S PARENTS

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Hi, Barbara.
Lexi's mom is Silver Zoe and her father is Sir Jacob of Golden Pond. He was a Chocolate Lab. I paid 1,000.00 for Lexi because she was suppose to be a Silver with an excellent bloodline. The AKC doesn't even recognize the Silver, they are classified only as a Chocolate.

Unfortunately, Lexi does not have the Micro-chip and there was no paperwork sent home with us on the subject.

We seen the mother and a lot of the other Dams which were kept in a wired fenced-in area with a muddy base. The sort of thing you keep pigs in. The Males were in another building. My husband walked back to it, I wasn't about to and I'm a farm girl. Those skinny females were there for only one thing and one thing only; to have puppies and to make the owners money. This is just my opinion. I honestly felt as though I was rescuing a puppy that day.

Thank you, Barbara for your posts, I'm really glad that you've had such good luck with your dog from TNT. It's just a shame that they don't have the honesty and integrity to be very successful breeders. They've got the know-how, they just need the people skills.
God Bless,
Shari
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#101 Consumer Suggestion

Pedigree

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

Shari:

Who are your dogs parents? Can you check your AKC papers and let me know?

TNT was selling their house and Tracy's Mom's home (I think)in NC. Maybe they reloctaed to FL.

I'm so sorry to hear that your dog needed another surgery. Hopefully, she will be ok. She cannot jump though or it could hurt her hips. I had to train my kids not to get our last lab too excited to stop the jumping.

How did you find the conditions at TNT when you visited there? I checked out everything 100% and like I said it looked good to me. The pens were very, very clean.

Clancy, my silver lab is big and strong and extremely smart. I got him at 7 weeks and he was 11 lbs. He's now 2 1/2 years old about 115 lbs and very tall. He's the most devoted and smartest dog that I ever had, but I put a ton of work and time into training him. He was very shy when I got him. I got him in April of 2004 and paid $500 for him.

I thought it was an AKC rule that AKC pups had to be micro-chipped. I thought that Trevor had said that to me when I was there. Maybe have your vet scan your dog to see if she has a chip in her but you should have gotten the Home Again paperwork when you took her home.

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#102 Consumer Comment

Just an Update

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Hi I'm Shari, the original poster of this report on TNT Labradores.

Spring from Virginia, I'm sorry that I couldn't have posted my complaint sooner. You seen what we saw and your description brought it back very vividly for me. I just hope our boys are able to forget the vision as they grow older. Good luck with your Lab and I hope she/he is very healthy otherwise.

Barbara from New York, you've been very blessed to have such a great experience with this couple. Just for the record though, I would've never requested half of my money back if it hadn't been posted as a guarentee (for up to two years for Hip Displasia) on TNT's website which has been conveniently removed since. Lexi was only 8 months old when she was hopping like a rabbit from step-to-step, that is not your common Hip Displasia. I also wonder why I was never offered a Home Again ID micro-chip; that would've been nice to have since she doesn't have the common Labradore witts about her.

I basically just wanted to give everyone an update on Lexi so here it is: she's had another hip surgery, this time on her right side. My veterinarian said that this side was much worse than the left because she had used that side much more since her previous surgery. It was unfortunate but she's going to be as good as new and she will live a long, happy life. We have the best vet on the planet; we call him the 'Animal Whisperer'. :)

Lexi is in no pain or on any medication, she can run in the yard and up the steps. She's got some rehabilitation to go through yet but after a few bouts of swimming this summer, her hips will be strong for the first time in her life. She's got such a personality and has become best friends with our 4 year old. She watches over him like a hawk and he worries about her as well. It's just too cute!

Thank you to everyone for your support and to Tracy: I can sleep at night.

Cheers,
Shari
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#103 Consumer Comment

TNT Labs

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

I purchased a male silver lab from TNT about 2 1/2 years ago. I think I'm pretty sharp when it comes to dogs, kennels etc as I was a animal shelter worker for a couple of years.

I found TNT to be clean and the dogs well cared for. There was a barn for the new moms and pups, the stalls were clean and had clean cedar chips. All of the dogs that I saw looked healthy. There was another partially enclosed area for the older pups and that too looked clean, well maintained and the pups healthy. I saw no cages at all, only clean pen areas. There was plenty of food and water available for all dogs.

The pup that I bought was seven weeks old and big and healthy. Trevor injected him with a Home Again ID micro-chip and gave him his vacinnations before we left. I received the pups AKC papers promptly in the mail. Once home, I took the pup to a vet immediately and was pleasnatly surprised to find that he did NOT have any worms which almost all pups from a kennel have.

Before this pup, my last dog was a lab that I purchased from a local reputable breeder. One day when the dog was about 2 years old he started to howl and yelp in pain for no reason at all. I immediately took him to the vet and learned he had bad hips. The entire visit cost me over $1,500 and I never thought to call the breeder to ask for a replacement dog or a refund. A dog is a pet for life and like a child with a birth defect, it happens to dogs as well. The dog lived to age 16 but was restriceted to the bottom floor of our home as he couldn't climb stairs. He was on a natural medication for hips probems then later on rimadil from when he was 10 years old.

I can say that I am unbiased in this situation. I feel terrible that the complainant has a dog with physical problems but my dog is happy, healthy, and very smart. My experience with TNT was just fine and I would not hesitate to purchase another dog from them.
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#104 Consumer Comment

Buy Elsewhere

AUTHOR: Spring - (U.S.A.)

I bought a silver lab from TNT in July '05. I love my dog, but she's an obvious product of bad breeding. Luckily I don't have any problems with hip dysplasia (knock on wood) but she has bad teeth and she's too large for lab standards and she has food allergies.

We spent the first 8 months of her life trying to figure out why her stools were runny, not a lot of fun. When I emailed Tracy to find out what type of food Bella was on, I got a response of, "I don't know, some of the dogs were on one type of food and some were on another" and she had limited suggestions or ideas on how to help me.

I too was surprised at the conditions of the kennel and the Dams. There were flies galore and the dogs weren't well kept. I've never seen a puppy mill but after I left I kept wondering if I had just been to one.

And what's up with Trevor being and ex-employee? When we went there, he was very much her husband.

I'm not big on trashing people but I would definately suggest purchasing elsewhere. The labrador is a great dog and there are plenty of other good and ethical breeders out there. Do your research, ask for references, and visit there kennel beforehand.
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#105 Consumer Suggestion

Report Them

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

This is becoming a big problem with people buying animals off the Internet. I would always suggest people buy a animal from a Registered AKC breeder they will always be more than happy to point you in the right way. I am sorry for Lexi i have had animals with Hip Dysplacia and it is heart breaking to see them suffer. Report these people to AKC then go online and do a search of 20 miles around the owners address and send out letter to all pet stores and feed store in that area.. Lets not let these puppy mills do this not only to use as consumers but to these poor animals. I hope Lexi has a long life and i know one thing she will have a happy one in your family.

AKC Headquarters

260 Madison Ave

New York, NY 10016



Telephone: (212) 696-8200
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#106 UPDATE EX-employee responds

I worked for TNT labs for 10 years and can honestly say that 99% of all the cusomers have been very happy and well rewarded for buying a pup from TNT.

AUTHOR: Trevor - (U.S.A.)

However as with any business there are bound to be unsatisfied and unsatisfyable people. I have talked to Tracy about this case and it is clear that the complainant did not follow procedure to collect on thefir warranty. To prove a case of hip dyspasia it is best to submit the xrays to the OFA and the xray must be verified as belonging to that animal. It comes down to quality of life -- it'sa hard fact but sometimes it is best to put the dog down and collect on a replacement guarantee. That was offered in this case but the complainants insisted on spending money on suspect surgery when it would be better to have sent that dog to heaven and raise another that would have a good quality of life. I knopw this does not suit everybody but why spaend mon ey on this when there are starving people in the world?



I have seen TNT take all their breeding dogs to have them OFA certified and eye certified and proof of this can bej found on the OFA website and the AKC have documentation too. It is a sad facta that pups can be born to OFA certified parents. As for the AKC I was present for two inspections and can provide proof that TNT jpassed both times and anyone should know that the AKC do regular inspections on kennels registering pups through their agency. It is obvious that this is a case of sour grapes as a visit to TNT's website can show that there are many testimonials that can be verified. The pictures the complainant says are reproduced from magazines is the best example of a full blown lie that onlly brings discredit to the complaining party. As does the comments about dirty premises etc.



If they thought the place was so bad they should have walked away. But no, they are out for revenge and stoop to the lowest vindictive to prove their point.



Tracy has offered them a replacement pup and that would have settled it. Ijknow people get an emaotional atachmnet to theirpets but sosmetimes as in the horse world hard decisions have to be made and it would have been better for that pup to not have to go through surgery and a lifetime of pain and suffering and arthritis. Let the love these people have for anim,als be expended on another pup.
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#107 Consumer Comment

Thank you, Mike

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

I do appreciate your awesome suggestions Mike, and because of you taking the time to bring my attention to them, maybe someone somewhere will be spared as a victim. It has been a lesson learned that's for sure.

The sad part about it is that Tracy is AKC Registered and I probably should've gotten the hint about her integrity level when found out she used magazine stock pictures, instead of actual, of her pups she sent me via e-mail.

I thank you for your genuine concern about our Lexi, she's a tough girl and definately the queen of the house. :)

Sincerely,

Shari



If anyone else would like to share their suggestions please feel free... I'm willing to take any and all action necessary to get Lexi the justice she deserves. Thank you.
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#108 Consumer Comment

What a joke...

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

We wouldn't expect anything less from you Tracy, we really wouldn't, after all that you've put us through since August.

It's what you do, it is your income, would we expect you to say, "Alright, you've got me..."? No, exactly my point.

Number one, you never told me to get the "proper OFA documentation". You only told me to get a written statement from my vet of 26 years, on Lexi's serious case of dysplasia. I asked you if X-rays would be better and you said, "Yes."! Don't you think that I would've much rather sent you a 8 X 11 letter from my vet rather than a huge envelope of X-rays which cost me over $8.00 to send not to mention the extra copies I had to pay for? Come on!

You told me, and I have the e-mail to prove it, that you sent a refund check out on Nov. 21st. For some reason it just never got here. It was just another way to give yourself some more time to put us off wasn't it?

If it was the "proper documentation" that you were waiting for then why would you send us a "refund" in the first place?

See my point is, is this: it just doesn't add up and I'll keep going if you wish. You are contradicting yourself over and over again. I have every single e-mail between you and I dated from Feb. 2, to Dec. 30, 2005. How much more proof do I need to convict you? The more you talk the more you prove my husband and I to be correct in our statements.

If you're such a knowledgable business owner then why didn't you have the integrity and the character enough to take care of your responsibilities without having to take it this far, this long? Did you think that we would just let it slide and forget about it?

Lexi will get her justice and unfortunately you're going to end up paying a lot more in the end. Lesson continued until lesson is learned so just keep doing what you're doing.

Isn't this what you wanted though? Welcome to my world Honey... you haven't seen anything yet!

Do you still have photos of Lexi's Post operation photos that I e-mailed you? If you didn't save them don't worry for you'll get another chance. They're going to be posted on this page shortly I hope. Isn't it fun?

I do want to clear one thing up, though, I never implied that there were magazine stock pictures on your website and we'll agree on one thing, you ARE a good photographer.

I had found your site through another advertiser on the web that to my knowledge, you no longer use. THAT was a magazine stock picture, the one you advertised with! There were two Silver Lab pups in the photo with sunflowers on both sides of them and my husband asked you if the one on the "right" was available. You would never answer his question but sent your own pictures to sort of re-route the subject. We didn't think much about it at that time because your pups were cute too.

I really thought you were a sweet lady and every now and then I want to believe that this has all been blown out of proportion.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt for the longest time and never blamed you for Lexi's desease. It's just truly a shame since being a "bad guy" isn't at all our nature but we must stop you from doing this to someone else. We will however keep this site updated and post any new developments as they occur.

Only you can change this whole thing around, Tracy, we aren't the type to hold a grudge and will pray for you in the mean time.

Regards,
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#109 Consumer Comment

5 weeks is way too young to take a puppy away from the dam and littermates

AUTHOR: Brenda - (U.S.A.)

Let me get this right, you drove 12 hours to pick up a 5 week old puppy. That was your first mistake, 5 weeks is way too young to take a puppy away from the dam and littermates.



The place was dirty and you bought the puppy anyway? You did not save one puppy, you gave this "breeder" a large monetary reward for her actions. Every newspaper I have ever seen has Labs for sale, for a lot less, sometimes free!



AKC does not "register breeders" the dogs either have the proper paperwork for registration or they don't. A breeder may have a registered kennel name, but that does not mean they have high quality dogs.



I feel sorry for your dog, coming from a puppy mill is pretty much a "quarentee" of poor health.



You can complain to AKC,, they might do an inspection of her place and her records.



Good luck with Lexie, she is lucky you are willing to do whatever it takes to keep her healthy and happy.
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#110 REBUTTAL Individual responds

TNT LABS......My LOVE My LIFE

AUTHOR: Tracy - (U.S.A.)

I am Tracy, proud owner and family to TNT Labradors for over 12 years! I would like to comment on the many lies in Shari's letter. I am inspected on a yearly basis by the American Kennel Club. I have more than 25 OFA reports on my dogs just so I might lessen the chance of producing hip dyplasia in my dogs. Many reports say that it is not only genetics which contributes to this disease but also diet and exercise. I have always stood behind every pup I have sold and will continue to do so if the required steps are taken. These were explained to Shari as was an offer of a new puppy with no mention of putting any pup down! I would never dream of asking a pet owner to do that. I asked that she submit an identified xray to the OFA for evalution before a new pup would be given or any money returned. This is stated on my web site and has been since it was started. She instead sent me an xray with no identification which my vet looked at. He did not agree with what she stated her Dr said. I am truly sorry for Lexi and would of course not want that to ever happen but unfortunetly it does in most large dogs. I still stand behind my warranty and will honor it with the proper documentation. I am an avid photogrpher and have no reason to use "unreal" photos. As for the cleanliness of my kennel, I have a helper who comes every day so that I can spend quality time with my 6 generations of labs who are my family. I am NOT a puppy mill and my many happy clients can testify to that.
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#111 Author of original report

Thanks Trevor, for enlightening us.

AUTHOR: Shari - (U.S.A.)

Well that certainly explains it. (We remember Trevor and he was there when we bought Lexi. Very nice guy.)

I assumed you and Tracy were a couple, I did not realize that you were a hired-hand. Oh, and you no longer work there? Why...? Florida huh? ;)

There's no need for me to explain anything to you, Trevor, our Attorney has all necessary X-rays, Certified Veterinarian documentation, plus Lexi's so-called certification papers from TNT.

As far as the AKC and the National Breeders Association, they as well have all the needed documents according to their council.

Unlike some people in this world, we value animals' lives and will do everything in our power to ensure that Lexi has a long, healthy life... we have and she will.

Good luck with your future endevors,

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