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Complaint Review: United Relocation - North Hollywood California

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  • United Relocation 12439 Magnolia Blvd #134 North Hollywood, California U.S.A.

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I contacted several movers for my relocation to the Nashville area. My intention was to screen several companies, and choose the best from the lot. I contacted United Relocation, Trans US Moving, and Gold Star Van Lines, American alliance of Ethical Movers, North American Van Lines, and All Over the States. Of these companies only North American Van Lines did NOT respond to my request for an estimate. (They did initially contact me, but when I called to set up an appointment I never received a call back) I received the following quotes from the remainder of the companies:

United relocation - $4,708
Trans US Moving - $3,500
Gold Star Van Lines- $4,870
American Alliance of Ethical Movers - $8,609.11
All Over the States - $3,676.18
North American van lines No Estimate

These quotes were based on several different methods. American Alliance sent an individual to my home to look at the goods. Trans US, Gold Star, And all Over the States had me fill out an inventory list. United Relocation had a representative named Monika call me and ask me about my inventory. In the instance with Monika, I was able to tell her that I did NOT know how to estimate the weight because I was not a mover. Monika asked me questions about the size of my home and access ability. I told her that my home was 2,800 sq. ft. and 2 levels. Based on this MONIKA estimated my weight to be 8,400 lbs. As a side note American Alliance of Ethical movers, who actually had a rep come to my home, estimated the weight at 8,590 lbs as well. This led me to believe that her weight was accurate. As I went through my decision process, I looked at several factors-

1. Responsiveness to my inquiries
2. Professionalism of the representative who contacted me
3. Amount of the estimate (In relation to all the estimates received)
4. Went to a website called movingscams.org and researched the different companies

Based on the above factors, I contacted United Relocation for my final evaluation. I asked Monika several questions about the estimate. My first question was what happens if my goods weighed more than the 8,400 she estimated. Monika indicated to me that once the truck was loaded, the movers would take the truck to the scales and weigh it. If the amount was more than she estimated, United Relocation would charge the difference in weight. This made sense to me.

So I made the decision to contract them. Monika asked me for my credit card to charge a $150 deposit, and we scheduled a pickup date of Dec 18th at 9AM. The other questions that I asked Monika were logistic questions about the lead time required to schedule the move and their calling before arriving at the home. I also asked her to include a vehicle transport to the original estimate so that I could use one company for the whole move. She added the vehicle and it added $975 to the estimate. (This was inline with the quotes I had received from everyone else) I thought all was good until the day of the move arrived.

On the morning of the scheduled move, I received a call from the United Relocation driver saying that he was at another customers home and he would be a little late. I said I understood and what time could we expect him. The driver stated that he would be at the home around 11AM. 11AM came and went and the driver still had not showed up. It was not until 1PM that the driver called again and stated he would be to the house at 3PM. Due to the fact that all the companies stated they needed a 2 week advance notice, and we were at the date of move, I had no other options but wait for United Relocation to show up.

They finally arrived at our home at 7:30PM. I was not very happy, but I told them that we were supposed to get on the road to drive to our new home, and they were causing a huge problem with their lateness. The driver apologized and proceeded to tell me that we had way more cubes than were estimated. I asked him why the cubes mattered when the move was based on weight. He indicated that the move was NOT based on weight but in the cubic feet of the material. After much discussion, and my showing him the estimate that had 8,400 pounds on it, he called his boss (Ziggy) who ended up also being the owner of the company. Ziggy argued with me for a long time, but he finally agreed to charge me by the pound as agreed.

The problem is that he was going to charge me .55 per pound when the estimate clearly worked out to be .51 per pound. I felt I had no choice but to agree to pay the .55 per pound. That was ALL that was stated was that he would charge .55 per pound! The driver finished up day one at about 10:30PM and said he would be back the next day FIRST Thing at 6:00AM. He knew we were way behind on our move, and promised he would be there at 6:00AM. True to their company motto, he was 2 and half hours late! They did not show up the next day until 8:30AM. I was livid. But again, there was not much that could be done.

When they finally loaded up all of our belongings, the driver completed a Binding Estimate and estimated the weight at 15,000 pounds. I found this strange because we had eliminated a lot of items that were on the original inventory (furniture, big screen TV, pool table). The United Relocation driver than called the office and I heard him ask what does he charge for the overage? I asked him what he meant overage. He said that every pound over the 8,400 would be charged at .78 per pound.

I couldnt believe this. I told him that Ziggy had agreed to .55 per pound for the move just the day before. I called Ziggy back and he basically told me that there was nothing I could do. The overage would stay at .78 per pound. How can you charge me for an overage when they were the people that completed the initial weight estimate? Ziggy was rude and defiant that I could do nothing. I had to pay the amount he required. I was powerless, and they had my belongings on their truck. My $4,700 MOVE WAS NOW GOING TO BE IN EXCESS OF $11,000. When they put the final paperwork together the coupe de grace was about to be put into place.

They demanded a down payment from my credit card $4,000 (which I paid) and then said the remainder was to be paid in cash on the receiving end. Since this was a company reimbursed move, I did not have $7,000 in cash. I told them that I had to pay by credit card. The driver called Ziggy, and Ziggy agreed to accept credit card payment on the receiving end.

I thought my hell would be over, but this company had way more pain to give. They also agreed to deliver our goods on Saturday December 22nd so we would have our belongings for Christmas. I had the driver put on the paperwork that credit card payment was acceptable and sign the sheet. I thought this would protect me, but I underestimated the power this company had since they had my possessions.

On Saturday the driver of the truck with our goods called me and said he was still a day out. I should not have been surprised that, once again, they were missing a promised delivery date, but alas I was surprised. To add to our misery, the driver stated that we had to have cash or money order only before he would unload our goods. I explained to him that Ziggy had agreed to credit card payment. The driver called Ziggy, and Ziggy called me and said that he knew he had agreed, but he had changed his mind. I had to have cash or I would not get my goods. He then hung up on me stating that either cash or my goods go into storage and I would have to pay the difference.

I was completely distraught because I did not have that much cash available to me. We were in a new state, and I had no access to our banks to draw out the cash. I finally had to go to 5 different banks taking cash advances (at considerable expense to myself) so that I would have the required cash. I want to tell you that I finally received my goods on Christmas at 7Pm and the movers were at our home until 2:30AM unloading. We have several items missing and many items broken.

I do not hold out much hope that we will ever be reimbursed for these items, and I cannot tell you the emotional pain and suffering we went through on this move. Moving is an already stressful situation, and especially during the holiday season. This company did everything in its power to misrepresent and con and scam us out of every penny. I dont know what legal recourse we have as the government seems to be unwilling to regulate this industry. The only thing they tell us is that we can lodge a complaint and they can do nothing to the company. Do they think this company cares about a complaint being lodged? I only hope that our horror story can help others avoid this company like the plague.

There are many more things I could have put into this letter, but it would have been a novel at some point. Anyone that wants the full story can contact me.

St
murfreesboro, Tennessee
U.S.A.

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#5 Consumer Suggestion

need more info from company

AUTHOR: Sharon - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 01, 2008

I have some questions to the employee of United Relocation:

Why are there 4 weight tickets to show 15,000 pounds? It only take the weight of the empty truck before loading, then the full truck after loading to determine the weight of the truck. Why did the truck get weighed again?

If a professional estimator walking through the house saw everything to be moved and estimated something just over your phone inventory, how can the actual weight be 15,000 pounds? You can't say that the customer added items to the shipment, because another professional mover saw it all and wrote it all down. If I were the customer, I'd have the DOT go over all 4 weight tickets and see if they were mixed-and-matched to create a hgher weight.

If the original estimate was based on Cubic Feet, was it a Binding Quote? Meaning any increase in inventory cannot be charged more than the written estimate unless a new estimate is written right there at pickup? I ask because you can only charge by the CF for an interstate move if the estiame is Binding. If you told the customer that the price difference had to be paid if the weight was more, then it wasn't a Binding Quote, it was Non-Binding, and you violated federal laws. Converting the billing method from volume to pounds does not necessarily change the type of estimate.

You say the shipment was twice what the customer estiamted, but actually, it was twice what YOU estimated. YOUR company's name was on the paperwork, not the customer's. Obviously he listed everything he had, because your estiamted weight was the same as the one provided by a professional who actually saw all his belongings. Why did you not send out an estimator to his house to give an accurate estimate?

Why does your payment options only include cash or postal money order? These two methods are untraceable, and provide options for not reporting full income to the IRS. Any reputable mover will accept credit cards or bank money orders. The only difference between a postal and a bank money order is that the bank one leaves a paper trail.

Already in 2008, unted Relocation has received 3 complaints with the FCMSA, a;; 3 complain about Estimating problems. 5 of 6 from last year fit the same bill. 5 of the total 9 allege Hostage Load.

I hope the original poster reads these questions and asks them himself. By then, he'll have the promised 4 weight tickets, and he can have the DOT review then in his complaint. I look forward to reading the outcome.



To anyone else reading this, United Relocation has since changed its name to PARAMOUNT RELOCATION SERVICES INC (Legal Name) or AMERICAN NATIONWIDE RELOCATION (Doing-Business-As Name)

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Inaccurate Information REPORTED BY CUSTOMER & An Apology From US.

AUTHOR: Clarification - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 17, 2008

I will like to start by addressing this customer's allegation, I will then continue by apologizing for an error we made. This customer was given an online estimate and an order for service; both were calculated according to cubic feet- this was explained to the customer the same day he asked us for a quote for his relocation- [ I wish I can send you a copy of all the contracts].

At the last minute. He insisted a conversion to pounds--none of the paper work on file for him indicates he was ever given a quote based on pounds. The company accepted and granted to charge him by weight, we also agreed on weighing the truck before loading/ after loaded [we have four weight tickets; we can send in to validate our response]. He estimated 8,400 pounds; his shipment was weighed in at 15,000 pounds. He was even charged .55 per pound for the original inventory items he asked us to relocate for him, which were [8,400 pounds] when we went to pick up his items this customer had [6,600 pounds more than what he told us] the additional pounds were charged at .78 per pound as stated under the contract.

[we can also send you a copy, if you like]
He was actually given a break in price. They delayed a truck for 2 days while this was being sorted out, and he was even granted exclusive delivery, meaning he had an entire I8 wheeler dedicated solely for his delivery, no items were moved from this trailer to avoid damages. He received his goods within 3 days. He was also allowed to pay with credit card, which was against the specified payment terms in the contract. Which indicate: cash or postal money order only

He basically received everything he asked for, and is asking the company to refund him because his shipment weighed over twice what he estimated; this is not our fault. He could have given us a full list of the items, which would have been charged at .55 per pound instead of waiting and adding items at pick up, which resulted to .78 per pound instead.
[If you want we can send in copies of the original inventory list provided by this customer, and the actual inventory list of items moved].

Now for the apology: we do sincerely apologize for any damages caused in this relocation. We will be happy to honor our contractual terms and agreements and send this customer the proper paperwork to summit a claim for damages. This customer never called us to report any damages. Please have him call us and we will be happy to log in his complaint and evaluate it for compensation. We also wanted to apologize for not providing the copies of the four weight tickets for his move; it was clearly an oversight. We found the copies in with his paperwork. We will be sending this customer a copy for his records via mail. We truly are sorry if his experience was less than expected.

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Inaccurate Information REPORTED BY CUSTOMER & An Apology From US.

AUTHOR: Clarification - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 17, 2008

I will like to start by addressing this customer's allegation, I will then continue by apologizing for an error we made. This customer was given an online estimate and an order for service; both were calculated according to cubic feet- this was explained to the customer the same day he asked us for a quote for his relocation- [ I wish I can send you a copy of all the contracts].

At the last minute. He insisted a conversion to pounds--none of the paper work on file for him indicates he was ever given a quote based on pounds. The company accepted and granted to charge him by weight, we also agreed on weighing the truck before loading/ after loaded [we have four weight tickets; we can send in to validate our response]. He estimated 8,400 pounds; his shipment was weighed in at 15,000 pounds. He was even charged .55 per pound for the original inventory items he asked us to relocate for him, which were [8,400 pounds] when we went to pick up his items this customer had [6,600 pounds more than what he told us] the additional pounds were charged at .78 per pound as stated under the contract.

[we can also send you a copy, if you like]
He was actually given a break in price. They delayed a truck for 2 days while this was being sorted out, and he was even granted exclusive delivery, meaning he had an entire I8 wheeler dedicated solely for his delivery, no items were moved from this trailer to avoid damages. He received his goods within 3 days. He was also allowed to pay with credit card, which was against the specified payment terms in the contract. Which indicate: cash or postal money order only

He basically received everything he asked for, and is asking the company to refund him because his shipment weighed over twice what he estimated; this is not our fault. He could have given us a full list of the items, which would have been charged at .55 per pound instead of waiting and adding items at pick up, which resulted to .78 per pound instead.
[If you want we can send in copies of the original inventory list provided by this customer, and the actual inventory list of items moved].

Now for the apology: we do sincerely apologize for any damages caused in this relocation. We will be happy to honor our contractual terms and agreements and send this customer the proper paperwork to summit a claim for damages. This customer never called us to report any damages. Please have him call us and we will be happy to log in his complaint and evaluate it for compensation. We also wanted to apologize for not providing the copies of the four weight tickets for his move; it was clearly an oversight. We found the copies in with his paperwork. We will be sending this customer a copy for his records via mail. We truly are sorry if his experience was less than expected.

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AUTHOR: Clarification - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 17, 2008

I will like to start by addressing this customer's allegation, I will then continue by apologizing for an error we made. This customer was given an online estimate and an order for service; both were calculated according to cubic feet- this was explained to the customer the same day he asked us for a quote for his relocation- [ I wish I can send you a copy of all the contracts].

At the last minute. He insisted a conversion to pounds--none of the paper work on file for him indicates he was ever given a quote based on pounds. The company accepted and granted to charge him by weight, we also agreed on weighing the truck before loading/ after loaded [we have four weight tickets; we can send in to validate our response]. He estimated 8,400 pounds; his shipment was weighed in at 15,000 pounds. He was even charged .55 per pound for the original inventory items he asked us to relocate for him, which were [8,400 pounds] when we went to pick up his items this customer had [6,600 pounds more than what he told us] the additional pounds were charged at .78 per pound as stated under the contract.

[we can also send you a copy, if you like]
He was actually given a break in price. They delayed a truck for 2 days while this was being sorted out, and he was even granted exclusive delivery, meaning he had an entire I8 wheeler dedicated solely for his delivery, no items were moved from this trailer to avoid damages. He received his goods within 3 days. He was also allowed to pay with credit card, which was against the specified payment terms in the contract. Which indicate: cash or postal money order only

He basically received everything he asked for, and is asking the company to refund him because his shipment weighed over twice what he estimated; this is not our fault. He could have given us a full list of the items, which would have been charged at .55 per pound instead of waiting and adding items at pick up, which resulted to .78 per pound instead.
[If you want we can send in copies of the original inventory list provided by this customer, and the actual inventory list of items moved].

Now for the apology: we do sincerely apologize for any damages caused in this relocation. We will be happy to honor our contractual terms and agreements and send this customer the proper paperwork to summit a claim for damages. This customer never called us to report any damages. Please have him call us and we will be happy to log in his complaint and evaluate it for compensation. We also wanted to apologize for not providing the copies of the four weight tickets for his move; it was clearly an oversight. We found the copies in with his paperwork. We will be sending this customer a copy for his records via mail. We truly are sorry if his experience was less than expected.

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Inaccurate Information REPORTED BY CUSTOMER & An Apology From US.

AUTHOR: Clarification - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 17, 2008

I will like to start by addressing this customer's allegation, I will then continue by apologizing for an error we made. This customer was given an online estimate and an order for service; both were calculated according to cubic feet- this was explained to the customer the same day he asked us for a quote for his relocation- [ I wish I can send you a copy of all the contracts].

At the last minute. He insisted a conversion to pounds--none of the paper work on file for him indicates he was ever given a quote based on pounds. The company accepted and granted to charge him by weight, we also agreed on weighing the truck before loading/ after loaded [we have four weight tickets; we can send in to validate our response]. He estimated 8,400 pounds; his shipment was weighed in at 15,000 pounds. He was even charged .55 per pound for the original inventory items he asked us to relocate for him, which were [8,400 pounds] when we went to pick up his items this customer had [6,600 pounds more than what he told us] the additional pounds were charged at .78 per pound as stated under the contract.

[we can also send you a copy, if you like]
He was actually given a break in price. They delayed a truck for 2 days while this was being sorted out, and he was even granted exclusive delivery, meaning he had an entire I8 wheeler dedicated solely for his delivery, no items were moved from this trailer to avoid damages. He received his goods within 3 days. He was also allowed to pay with credit card, which was against the specified payment terms in the contract. Which indicate: cash or postal money order only

He basically received everything he asked for, and is asking the company to refund him because his shipment weighed over twice what he estimated; this is not our fault. He could have given us a full list of the items, which would have been charged at .55 per pound instead of waiting and adding items at pick up, which resulted to .78 per pound instead.
[If you want we can send in copies of the original inventory list provided by this customer, and the actual inventory list of items moved].

Now for the apology: we do sincerely apologize for any damages caused in this relocation. We will be happy to honor our contractual terms and agreements and send this customer the proper paperwork to summit a claim for damages. This customer never called us to report any damages. Please have him call us and we will be happy to log in his complaint and evaluate it for compensation. We also wanted to apologize for not providing the copies of the four weight tickets for his move; it was clearly an oversight. We found the copies in with his paperwork. We will be sending this customer a copy for his records via mail. We truly are sorry if his experience was less than expected.

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