Complaint Review: White Shark Media - Miami Florida
- White Shark Media 2 South Biscane Boulevard Miami, Florida USA
- Phone: 305-728-4828
- Web: www.whitesharkmedia.com
- Category: Search Engine Optimization
White Shark Media Misleading & Grandiose statements of what their PPC expertise will do in 3 month program Miami / Nicaragua Florida
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Overzealous Sales Department
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White Shark Media, (WSM) like many Internet based companies, presents itself with an impressive website and a classy, Miami based corporate address. In reality, the Miami location is just a virtual office and all of the people that I worked with were based outside the US, in Nicaragua. They just use the Miami address to appear as a US based company. All SEO consultants, sales, and others I spoke to were outside the US. The address they use in Miami belongs to a well known virtual office provider.
White Shark Media's pitch is that you have to commit to a 3 month program of PPC (Pay Per Click) advertising on Google and/or Bing and that they very aggressively promise incredible results in the 3rd month of the campaign. My company was careful to save all of their sales pitch conversations and have the WAV files to support the aggressive pitch and grandiose promises.
In our case, I laid out a very specific set of financial goals in the sales discussions, explaining how much we currently spend on marketing and our metrics of the ROI that we get on our marketing budget. I explained that we had never used PPC before but that we were interested to explore if PPC could return a better ROI than our existing marketing spend. The descriptions of our current marketing budget, number of leads, and number of customer wins, over a long period of time, was carefully laid out for WSM. I explained to them that the ONLY purpose of my willingness to participate in the discussion of using PPC was if it could be proven to exceed what we were getting from other types of marketing.
The 2 sales people that I spoke with at that point, over many conversations before I signed up, heard me detail, time and time again, the minimum ROI that I would expect from a PPC campaign to be successful, otherwise, we would not go forward with it. WSM sales team were "over the top" confident of "blowing my targets away" and assured me that by the 3rd month of the campaign, we would see results that were far, far, better than our other marketing efforts.
Specifically, WSM drew out a timetable that in the 1st month of the campaign, it would likely lose money, because the PPC metrics take some time to take hold and improve. WSM represented that in the 2nd month of the campaign, it would "break even" and the campaign would pay for itself, but not become profitable. Lastly, in the 3rd month, WSM boldly and confidently assured me that the campaign at this point, in the 3rd month, become so profitable, that it would recoup any losses from the 1st or 2nd months and overall the campaign would be cash positive and I'd be overwhelmed by the results.
WSM claimed to have several credentials and expertise in PPC, making sure they tell you that they are Google "Certified" Adwords consultants. WSM claims to have dozens of happy customers, and all of the usual attempts at establishing credibility.
In my case, WSM claimed to have a former customer in the exact same industry as ours, that was SO successful with their PPC campaign, that they were able to essentially "graduate" from needing WSM's consulting and now manage everything on their own.
WSM represented that they had PPC expertise, had experienced PPC consultants, and assured me that based on the target numbers I established with them that would determine the success or failure of the campaign, that they would EASILY be able to exceed the results we were getting through other marketing efforts. Our recorded conversations with their sales people and then again with their account managers show WSM's people had ZERO hesitation about the target numbers we set out and were enthusiastic, boisterous, and made promises like "wait until you see what happens" and "we can definitely do better than...." the numbers I put forward.
Knowing little about the key metrics in PPC, like CPC, CTR, position, etc., my team "relied" on the statements made by WSM represented that they had the expertise, knowhow, talent, tools, and wherewithall, to make my company more successful. So we signed up. We paid a mandatory startup fee and agreed to a monthly service fee.
It didn't take long for my radar to go up and that things didn't look good. Within the first week, the CPC (cost per click) for the keywords they started with, was so high, there was no way that enough leads could be generated to get to the levels WSM claimed were going to happen. I questioned it and the account manager said that it takes time for things to gain traction and to be patient.
After 45 days, WSM admitted to me, in writing, that the CPC for my industry was too high to achieve the results that I needed. So I questioned why they didn't just pull out the "playbook" from the other customer in my industry that they claimed was so happy? They just danced around an answer and tried to avoid it.
By this time, the Google Adword campaign was a bust and WSM admitted that it wasn't going to succeed. They offered no refund of their fees to date and no refund of all the money that went to Google for "clicks".
Now, they had a new pitch. Microsoft and Bing have teamed up to compete with Google in the PPC space and the CPC's would be much lower on this platform. So we would have to "start the clock over" on a new 3 month campaign on "Bing's" PPC network. I still raised that WSM needed to stand behind their failures on the Google campaign. They started dancing and the account manager told me that she'd ask people above her about what could be done.
Again, they were enthusiastic and boisterous, about how "THIS TIME you'll really see this is going to be great" on Bing, because the clicks were so cheap compared to Google.
Using the same predicted timetables, I let the Bing PPC campaign run for 2 months and it was even worse than the Google campaign. The best that WSM was able to generate was an average of just ONE SINGLE sales lead (conversion) per day at a cost that was 50 TIMES more expensive than our non-PPC spend! Yes, 50 times higher!
Once I was able to fully understand the metrics of PPC and how purchased clicks turn into conversions (leads) and the likely ratios of conversions, I put it directly to the entire team at WSM how on earth did they expect the Google campaign to have any chance to deliver what they promised? They admitted they were at fault and never should have made the claims that they did for the Google Adwords campaign.
When it came time to have a serious conversation with WSM about their failures to live up to their hype, ultimately, the manager I was given woudn't even return my call when it was clear that I wasn't going forward without compensation for their admitted mistakes.
In the end, they wanted to live the "teflon" life, where they keep the money you pay them, even though they didn't deliver ANY value back and because they aren't really in Miami and are in Nicaragua, good luck chasing them in court.
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#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Overzealous Sales Department
AUTHOR: Elizabeth - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Friday, April 21, 2017
"WSM claimed to have several credentials and expertise in PPC, making sure they tell you that they are Google "Certified" Adwords consultants. WSM claims to have dozens of happy customers, and all of the usual attempts at establishing credibility."
More than just a claim of alleged "certification", I find most of my coworkers were actually overqualified seeing as the majority had MBAs, Masters in Marketing, Accounting, and or Economics, managerial work experience, you name it... some of them were even tri-lingual (myself included). On top of that you have all these people that could easily be administrating a business or working as marketing manager having to put up with grueling 10 hour to 11 hour shifts. Oh, the joys of working in a third world country! They are an extremely dedicated bunch nonetheless, and alot of them would even contact their clients or work over the weekends pro bono. Crazy, I swear!
Getting hired for this company was hell! A telephone interview, followed by an iq test, personality test, in person interview, group examination on marketing strategies, and if one passed with flying colours, an interview with the CEO. Then thorough medical examination. Then a crash course on online marketing and all there is to know about PPC, Display, Shopping Campaign, Google analytics, and Bing ads in a months time. Then weekly group testing of trainees by the CEO, CMO, and head trainer in which people have been fired on the spot for saying the wrong thing. Finally, you must pass advertising fundamentals, advanced search, and advanced display with at least a 90% something or other, I mainly just remember this process being fairly traumatic. I was also Bing certified and working on becoming analytics certified but I was promoted to Client Success Manager. While in training they made us cold call and try to do sales... After all this, you're still in a 90 day probationary period and there is still a steep learning curve. There was always a tag team effort though, an account always had the supervisor revising it and thorough feedback from the entire team on a regular basis. I had a friend who was extremely bright graduated MBA c*m laude and spoke four languages and while her campaigns were working very well, she was still swamped!
Reason being... aside from learning curve if the strategist happens to be new, some campaigns or industries are inherently hard to make work on a particular platform or all of them! I had a psychic client, that was a headache. All of my precious ads kept getting flagged by google as this industry often does and Bing wasn't any better. The company stopped taking these types of clients after this. Lawyer keywords are costly no ifs ands or buts about it! And on and on I could go... Last but not least, it was well known to us that even as far as the industries that were well suited were concerned, three months was just for gathering data and breaking even. I had a client confront me by saying that since she wasn't seeing results (it had been a week) she was going to have a good friend on the phone with me who had made great progress on Adwords tell me how much time it took her. The friend said three months to break even and by six month she was seeing great ROI, which is what we would tell people to begin with!
But not sales! No matter how much we tried to complain to sales they were still over the top with what they promised! This was annoying to my clients and to me! In my experience some clients that didn't work out were refunded or offered discounts but maybe some supervisors are hardasses. I honestly don't have much against this report but have to stress that the strategists are overqualified if anything and overworked. Also, this isn't for everyone. Even if your business is well suited, you have to be willing to throw considerable money at Adwords before getting results. I had a client that was extremely happy and had been with us for many years who obviously had gotten his money's worth and then some, and there were plenty more, so I'm sure it works. But some don't no matter how skilled the strategist and sales isn't going to tell you that. I agree that's a shame. Discount/refund should have been offered.
P.S. sorry for potential spelling or grammatical errors was in a rush, yes my English is native.


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