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I figured I would write this a year or so later, as I have moved on and feel bad about this situation.

My name is Ben and I am the person this report was written about initially. When this report was written about me initially, I was pretty furious, Ill be honest. I felt like I had worked very very hard, and to have this girl write negative things about me really bothered me. This is why I feel especially bad about turning this around on Robbie and making it about him. Robbie had literally everything I wanted to have - and I feel comfortable typing this now because I feel great about where I am at. He seemed confident, he helped me so much, and I honestly felt like he was the first real friend I ever had. I had alot of personal trouble back when I worked with him, and had personal issues with friends and problems at home - so I just retaliated. Robbie never did anything but try to help me through my troubles, and I know he cared about me. He is not deceptive, haha, in all reality he is one of the most open and honest people I have ever met (sometimes maybe a little toooo open, but I guess its better than being deceitful). Also, and not to leave it at that, I feel bad for bringing up Cara as well, because she also took me in and befriended me - really everyone did...Aaron Pitman, etc. I feel bad also for what I did to Ashley, and I feel bad about not supporting me team. Robbie took care of my team the whole time, especially when I was personally down, and I blamed him for them taking to him more, and respecting him more. I guess that is why they are all so successful today, and the business just ended up not being for me. That has nothing to do with Robbie, Cara, or anyone, so I just wanted to write that I have moved on, and figured I needed to put some closure on this.

In regards to all the posts above after - YOR isnt a pyramid..dont be dumb. MLM is a great industry - my father made his first million in network marketing (amway), but it just didnt end up being for me. I am pursuing my entertainment/acting/model/music career, and its great for me. I just remembered this and came back to set things right. I just want to leave an apology for everyone for any trouble I caused - though I assume it really didnt cause much, if anyone just listens or hangs out with you guys they know youre the real deal. Good luck.

Ispeaktruth,

You make some very cogent points. But your definition of "pyramid scheme" is highly under-inclusive and very self-serving (to the scheme promoters, that is).

The traditional definition of a pyramid scheme is as you describe: an exponential structure with no real product or service involved.

However, it has been widely recognized, including by the FTC, that the term "pyramid scheme" also applies to many product/service-based organizations, notably those that employ the MLM paradigm.

The FTC has defined, and the federal courts have verified, that a pyramid scheme is defined as any organization wherein less than 70% of sales/income come from members of said organization.

I highly suspect that YOR meets this definition, and the dangers are therefore equivocal to those present in your definition of a pyramid scheme. This suspicion is based on the fact that some or all of the YOR "royalty" was found liable for operating a pyramid scheme at least one time in the past, and were fined 11 million dollars by the FTC; that YOR and its predecessors are consistently marketing outdated technologies' and that there is a rather significant membership fee.

Personally, I feel that YOR is presumptively a pyramid scheme. Anecdotal evidence is not enough to overcome this presumption, as pyramid schemes are notorious for spreading falsities and brainwashing. So I have a few questions:

1) What is the start-up fee?
2) What is then average annual income of a YOR rep?
3) What is the average turnover rate?

The answers to these questions are the key to0 determining whether this is or is not a pyramid scheme.

On a side note, regarding a previous rebuttal, I would like to point out that investments by noted investors speaks NOTHING to the issue of whether or not a distributorship is a viable economic enterprise. Robert Kiyosaki is a great motivator, but it's been proven, over and over again, that he is a liar and is in the pockets of pyramid schemes. Warren Buffet and Donald Trump invest because they see the enterprise as profitable, not because they think a distributorship is worth anything. In fact, pyramid schemes tend to be great investments due to the influx of cash from recruits. That has nothing to do with the viability of the IBO opportunity.

If you want to express you opinions about scams lets first talk about the facts on what a Pyramid scam really is

A pyramid scheme: is a fraudulent investing plan that has unfortunately cost many people worldwide their hard-earned savings. The concept behind the pyramid scheme is simple and should be easy to identify; however, it is often presented to potential investors in a disguised or slightly altered form. For this reason, it is important to not only understand how pyramid schemes work, but also to be familiar with the many different shapes and sizes they can take.The Scheme As its name indicates, the pyramid scheme is structured like a pyramid. It starts with one person - the initial recruiter - who is on top, at the apex of the pyramid. This person recruits a second person, who is required to "invest" $100 which is paid to the initial recruiter. In order to make his or her money back, the new recruit must recruit more people under him or her, each of whom will also have to invest $100. If the recruit gets 10 more people to invest, this person will make $900 with just a $100 investment. The 10 new people become recruiters and each one is in turn required to enlist an additional 10 people, resulting in a total of 100 more people. Each of those 100 new recruits is also obligated to pay $100 to the person who recruited him or her; recruiters get a profit of all of the money received minus the initial $100 paid to the person who recruited them. The process continues until the base of the pyramid is no longer strong enough to support the upper structure (meaning there are no more recruits).


The Fraud: The problem is that the scheme cannot go on forever because there is a finite number of people who can join the scheme (even if all the people in the world join). People are deceived into believing that by giving money they will make more money ("with an investment of just $100, you will receive $900 in return"). But no wealth has been created; no product has been sold; no investment has been made; and no service has been provided. The fraud lies in the fact that it is impossible for the cycle to sustain itself, so people will lose their money somewhere down the line. Those who are most vulnerable are those towards the bottom of the pyramid, where it becomes impossible to recruit the number of people required to pay off the previous layer of recruiters. This kind of fraud is illegal in the Unites States and most countries throughout the world. It is estimated that 90% of people who get involved in a pyramid scheme will lose their money.

Fraud Disguised: Because people are attracted to the idea of making a quick buck with very little effort, many different forms of disguised pyramid schemes have succeeded in fooling people. Despite the illusion of legality presented by these revamped schemes, they are still illegal. It is thus important to recognize the characteristics of such so-called investment plans. Many schemes will adopt the guise of gift-giving or loans that take place in investment clubs because none of these activities are technically illegal. However, the practice of donating a gift (tax free up to $10,000 in the U.S.) to someone (the recruiter), then having to recruit people into the club in order to receive a return on your investment (or your gift, rather) is essentially a pyramid scheme in disguise.

Multi-Level Marketing: (MLM)Legal multi-level marketing (MLM) involves being recruited in order to sell a product or service that actually has some inherent value. As a recruit, you can make a profit from the sales of the product or service, so you don't necessarily have to recruit more salespeople below you. And while you may be encouraged to recruit other salespeople whose sales would give you more profit, you can stick to just selling the product directly to the consumer if you choose. A pyramid scheme MLM, however, will most likely sell a product with no independent value. The product could take the form of reports of some kind, for example, or mailing lists. In this kind of pyramid scheme, you would be required to recruit new members into the MLM in order to make a profit and keep the MLM alive. Joining the MLM is the only reason anyone would buy the products sold by this pyramid scheme.

NOW as for yor yes, it is a network marketing company that specailizes in health and nutrition and yes it is not a pyramid scam. Just because the compensation is a pyramid structure doesn't make it a scam. Network marketing is a legitimate business. First, it's based on providing people with real, legitimate products they need and want at a fair price. While some people do make a lot of money through network marketing, their financial benefit is always the result of their own dedicated efforts in building an organization that sells real products and services- such as YOR we provide services and products thats been designed by doctors to optimized people heatlh and as for our technology customers saved money on their phone bill.... did you see YOR advisory board latley www.yor.com

YOR isn't a get-rich-quick scheme. Of course some people do make large amounts of money very quickly. Many would say those people are lucky. But success in networking isn't based on luck. (Unfortunately, money won't sprout wings and fly into your bank account no matter what someone has promised you.) Success in network marketing is based on following some very basic yet dynamic principles.

My conclusion about a pyramid:
Maybe your issue is the pyramid structure? But you can't really take issue with the tiered compensation structurealmost every large sales organization in the world has that. Salespeople get commission, and sales managers get overrides or bonuses on top of that, and sales directors on top of that, and VPs on top of that.

Or maybe it's the fact that you have to pay to participate in it? But that can't be itthat's a standard franchising model. And I assure you, the franchise fee of most traditional franchises dwarf the sign-up cost of any MLM program by comparison.

NETWORK marketing such as YOR is not scam at all. we are backed up by knowlege and expreince. professional football player tim brown is endorsing in YOR health products. www.yor.com see for yourself. i said enough.....

i respect your opinons but keep in mind its an opinion show some detail proof.
if you really want to see our testimonial check out www.yorvegas.com and see for yourself what dennis wong is really all about.

Hi,

I had to post on here. I am an ex-rep of YOR, though I dont have a bad taste in my mouth at all. I heard from a friend that someone talked negatively about Robbie and Cara on here and it was the most ridiculous thing I have heard in my life. I really hope people feel this company out on their own before they go believing all of this. For me, Robbie was a great friend - we played frisbee, hung out, and he encouraged and helped me, even though I didnt particularly listen that well. This article is actually hilarious, because Ben Decker - the above article - was my UPLINE. He always laughed how someone named Paris wrote this article on him, and he made a FAKE username, stole her name (because Ripoff Report allows you to make any name you want), and made a rebuttle back about himself because he hated his reputation being tarnished. Eventually he quit the company because he couldnt make it, and saw it fit to make Robbie,Cara,and his uplines the culprits for him not making it.

Let me set this straight. Robbie and Cara did nothing but help everyone that I have ever met. They are all great friends from high school and college who have good jobs that build this business on top of that income. I personally, truthfully, didnt have an enormous amount of passion for the business, but to personally attack someone that has fought so hard for his friends (especially for this stupid Ben Decker guy, according to my upline). Robbie NEVER suggested that he made an enormous amount of money, just that he worked hard, and did okay for himself. It seems to me some people just want to pull people down.

I must remind you, that I did quit this company - but my relationship with Robbie and everyone in the company is still strong. I made it clear that I wasnt going to come back, and that I was just going to pursue my education - and they SUPPORTED me 100%. Honestly, it does sound like there are some bad apples in this company, unfortunately, but to say that Robbie, Cara, Mitch are some of them (or anyone in the midwest for that matter, I have never seen people have so much fun while they sold phone service lol), is ridiculous. Insane? Truthfully, Robbie might be the chillest, most affectionate person I have met. He has his opinions, but the last thing he does is impose them on people. If you stop working for that company and use that as an excuse, you are really cheating yourself. Do it or dont do it because of your passion for the product, it is very good, and I still use it today - I personally just want to focus my career with my families business.

Thanks for reading, make an informed decision.

The real scam artists are Robbie Hendricks, Cara Swaby, Michael Mo, Dennis Wong, Cynthia Bahn, Johnny Li...and many others.

Robbie Hendricks is an insane scam artist with an unrealistic view of reality. He lies about his family and his own personal financial position. His girlfriend Fahara Zamarano is well aware that this is a scam, but allows it to continue because of the adulation she receives.

I have been working for yor.com for a couple weeks now and I have lost all skepticism i had about the company. I was invited to the meeting at the New Yorker Hotel on a thursday by a very good friend of mine whom i trust. At first i thought that it sounded a little fishy, so i did some research. I called up linksys/cisco systems and they verified that they do have a partnership with yor.com as far as the boxes. Linksys/Cisco is on of the most common names in routers and security systems. They would not partner up with a scam. Even after reading this i was stil a bit skeptical. I went personally to the house of my upline where we set up the phone service which he purchased himself and we were playing around with it and making calls on the computer and the phone. a call to tech suport and it was up in 10 minutes. It is impossible to scam a customer if you are providing them a real product. As far as bringing people in, you DO NOT make money for only bringing people in, you can actually become terminated for doing that. the money that you make due to your team is an override bonus that the company gives you for every customer that your team members acquire. this means that the company is not cutting out of their pay, but simply rewarding you for training a sucessful team. the overide bonus is about 5 percent of what your team members make. you DO NOT recieve a cut of the sign up money whatsoever, and neither does anyone. i actually didnt have the full amount of the 390, so the leading manager of our group, Mr. Son Nguyen, payed for me on his credit card until i got the cash. What you are paying for is a tracking website to track and contact customers with and a flash business website for yourself so that you will be able to work and present yourself to customers professionally. the only money that you are really paying to the company is 50 dollars, which you can choose to pay alone without the optional 390 package deal. the real money comes from acquiring customers yourself. The money you make from selling the linksys phone adapter box you get in cash from your customers. if you make 2 sales only, you will have already made the money back which you have INVESTED in the company. Ask anybody who owns any business, from local to worldwide, if they have had to make sacrifices and invest to be successful and they will tell you themselves. yor. com is also recently partnered up with delta three, which is a VoIP service provider. They are a fortune 500 company which is also partnered up with verizon, panasonic, and ICQ. cnn recently posted the link for this press conference on its website. the news on the conference is on yahoo finance. check out the links:

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

All the people on my team have become my friends. I know where they all live and i have all their phone numbers. Nothing is secretive or hidden. we hang out and go out to eat alot and we have good times together. my friendship with my upline, Kevin, has been much stronger since I joined the company because we spend so much time together going to the gym and running our business. I in no way feel scammed or ripped off. Im an Eagle Scout from troop 309 in Brooklyn and have been a boy scout for over 10 years and i would never ever sell to people or try and involve my friends in something that is a scam or a fake. I apreciate the opportunity that my upline kevin has provided me and i hope that people will look more into detail about something before they criticize it or call it a scam. feel free to myspace me or send me a message if you have any questions.

Okay let's educate a few of you. Yor.com is a Multi-level marketing company. Multi-level marketing (MLM) is a business model that combines direct marketing with franchising. Multi-level marketing businesses function by recruiting salespeople (also called Distributors, Independent Business Owners, IBOs, Franchise Owners, Sales Consultants, Beauty Consultants, Consultants, etc.) to sell a product and offer additional sales commissions based on the sales of people recruited into their downline, an organization of people that includes direct recruits, recruits' recruits, etc.

This arrangement is similar to franchise arrangements where royalties are paid from the sales of individual franchise operations to the franchisor as well as to an area or region manager, but in some MLM programs, there can be seven or more levels of people receiving royalties from one person's sales. Hence, it is not a job. It does not require offices. The company has headquarters offices in California. But it might not be in your state since they will place their headquarters offices in the state where they started.

In the most legitimate MLM companies, commissions are earned only on sales of the company's products or services. No money may be earned from recruiting alone ("sign-up fees"), hence why you don't make money just by recruiting. You need to get customers to make money.

If you want a regular 9 to 5 job because you rather help your boss make money then do that but don't join any MLM company because you will actually need to do work, invest money and work the system set forth by the MLM company.

Also, it is impossible to control the action of all the independent representatives of a company. If you happen to meet somebody who you don' like or does not provide you will all the information for you to make an educated decision then don't do business with them.

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My experience in Network Marketing begun back in 2002. A friend introduced me to the Robert Kiyosaki book Rich Dad Poor Dad. This first book was so intriguing that I purchased the sequel called Cash flow Quadrant. There for the first time I ran into Network Marketing ... Kiyosaki's solution for turning my financial life around.

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How many trainings did you go 2?
i work with about 5 6 gay people and it's never any problems. if everybody looks at what you wrote you let your emotions get in front of your money. so the company is no scam. See People there is 1 thing if you go to the interview they tell you this is a INVESTMENT A LONG DOLLAR NOT GET RICH QUICK.

Ben Decker is not a scam artist. Yor.com is a legitimate network marketing company like Mary Kay or Cutco or those jewelry companies.

I recently read what I said before. Its all wrong. They do have a product, I am actually one of Ben Decker's customers. It actually works really well (the digital phone service does).

Ben never used profanity or said anything besides polite, true things. Though he is attractive, I don't think he uses his good looks to his advantage in his business. He is a hard working guy and he doesn't deserve bad things to be said about him.

What really happened was that we arranged for a meeting, and I was to be meeting with a member of the board of directors, but he got caught up and I had to go off to work before the guy arrived, so Ben showed me the whole presentation.

He explained how the product worked, the three investment sizes (with each investment package you get 2, 6, or 14 of the Linksys adapters at wholesale cost to sell). I know many people have read things on this website and automatically believe everything they read online.

I lied. I'm sorry. I was very upset after meeting with Ben because he would not allow me to become a representative of the company after I told him that I'm only 16. He said to call him when I turn 18.

I know that if all of you realized that I am not even 18 you wouldn't have even paid attention to what I said. You shouldn't, because it was lies.

I go to the same church as Ben and I hate that I am damaging his reputation, especially since he hasn't done anything to hurt anyone. Everyone who works with him says he helps them more than he'll ever know.

Ben, I'm so sorry for putting that report up. I know that I can't change what happened, but I just hope that people are able to read this too and understand that it came out of stupidity and that people should learn to not believe everything they read on a stupid blog website open for a bunch of high school students to write on.

You're right and others shouldn't doubt it.

I had the unfortunate opportunity to talk with these people a few times and I'm just the type they are looking for and so is everyone else. Enticing us with dreams of retiring on an island making millions per month.

I couldn't tell if they knew it was a scam or they just weren't that bright, but they were pumped about selling a no-frills version of what everyone is advertising like mad right now. VOIP! Priced up there with the name brands but without all the enhanced features, free phones/wifi phones/routers or specials. Just the outdated box Vonage used to give away but for an extra $70 or more. Is there such a thing as direct marketing when something much better is popping up in your face every five seconds? Of course not. The sole purpose of direct marketing is to create, produce and market your own unique products. Anyone knows it would be insanely stupid to work an MLM against any competition. Much less, being an ant in an elephant march that's gaining more elephants day by day. It's an insult to one's intelligence to even imply the possibility of making riches near minimum wage.

These people have been "in business" for some 7+ years and avoiding recognition (from the law?) by changing names constantly and moving all over, but still they have been internet related all that time and there have been no loyal customers or reputable reviewers whatsoever touting the products. No money is coming in from that but they are tricked into buying it themselves like classic pyramid schemes described by the FTC. It's just common services that they have licensed from another company. I
followed it back to cognigen.com which has more services with a free rep signup. A perfect pyramid scheme product without spending anything. So the $390 is for a few boxes to get a jump start generating revenue? No. All of it is distributed up the pyramid. That $390 gives you no product to sell and make money from.

The "business" is not on any MLM list because of the simple fact that it does not qualify as one. The "product" will never even be at the bottom of the many VOIP review sites and is obviously just there to slip under the legal radar and get naive kids right out of high school to think it's legit.

Sadly most give up college, friends, future and everything they own to live with 50 others, working minimum wage, have no money and their only material possessions are some nice suits. They were very happy with a positive attitude though. I'll give them that.

You're right and others shouldn't doubt it.

I had the unfortunate opportunity to talk with these people a few times and I'm just the type they are looking for and so is everyone else. Enticing us with dreams of retiring on an island making millions per month.

I couldn't tell if they knew it was a scam or they just weren't that bright, but they were pumped about selling a no-frills version of what everyone is advertising like mad right now. VOIP! Priced up there with the name brands but without all the enhanced features, free phones/wifi phones/routers or specials. Just the outdated box Vonage used to give away but for an extra $70 or more. Is there such a thing as direct marketing when something much better is popping up in your face every five seconds? Of course not. The sole purpose of direct marketing is to create, produce and market your own unique products. Anyone knows it would be insanely stupid to work an MLM against any competition. Much less, being an ant in an elephant march that's gaining more elephants day by day. It's an insult to one's intelligence to even imply the possibility of making riches near minimum wage.

These people have been "in business" for some 7+ years and avoiding recognition (from the law?) by changing names constantly and moving all over, but still they have been internet related all that time and there have been no loyal customers or reputable reviewers whatsoever touting the products. No money is coming in from that but they are tricked into buying it themselves like classic pyramid schemes described by the FTC. It's just common services that they have licensed from another company. I
followed it back to cognigen.com which has more services with a free rep signup. A perfect pyramid scheme product without spending anything. So the $390 is for a few boxes to get a jump start generating revenue? No. All of it is distributed up the pyramid. That $390 gives you no product to sell and make money from.

The "business" is not on any MLM list because of the simple fact that it does not qualify as one. The "product" will never even be at the bottom of the many VOIP review sites and is obviously just there to slip under the legal radar and get naive kids right out of high school to think it's legit.

Sadly most give up college, friends, future and everything they own to live with 50 others, working minimum wage, have no money and their only material possessions are some nice suits. They were very happy with a positive attitude though. I'll give them that.

You're right and others shouldn't doubt it.

I had the unfortunate opportunity to talk with these people a few times and I'm just the type they are looking for and so is everyone else. Enticing us with dreams of retiring on an island making millions per month.

I couldn't tell if they knew it was a scam or they just weren't that bright, but they were pumped about selling a no-frills version of what everyone is advertising like mad right now. VOIP! Priced up there with the name brands but without all the enhanced features, free phones/wifi phones/routers or specials. Just the outdated box Vonage used to give away but for an extra $70 or more. Is there such a thing as direct marketing when something much better is popping up in your face every five seconds? Of course not. The sole purpose of direct marketing is to create, produce and market your own unique products. Anyone knows it would be insanely stupid to work an MLM against any competition. Much less, being an ant in an elephant march that's gaining more elephants day by day. It's an insult to one's intelligence to even imply the possibility of making riches near minimum wage.

These people have been "in business" for some 7+ years and avoiding recognition (from the law?) by changing names constantly and moving all over, but still they have been internet related all that time and there have been no loyal customers or reputable reviewers whatsoever touting the products. No money is coming in from that but they are tricked into buying it themselves like classic pyramid schemes described by the FTC. It's just common services that they have licensed from another company. I
followed it back to cognigen.com which has more services with a free rep signup. A perfect pyramid scheme product without spending anything. So the $390 is for a few boxes to get a jump start generating revenue? No. All of it is distributed up the pyramid. That $390 gives you no product to sell and make money from.

The "business" is not on any MLM list because of the simple fact that it does not qualify as one. The "product" will never even be at the bottom of the many VOIP review sites and is obviously just there to slip under the legal radar and get naive kids right out of high school to think it's legit.

Sadly most give up college, friends, future and everything they own to live with 50 others, working minimum wage, have no money and their only material possessions are some nice suits. They were very happy with a positive attitude though. I'll give them that.

You're right and others shouldn't doubt it.

I had the unfortunate opportunity to talk with these people a few times and I'm just the type they are looking for and so is everyone else. Enticing us with dreams of retiring on an island making millions per month.

I couldn't tell if they knew it was a scam or they just weren't that bright, but they were pumped about selling a no-frills version of what everyone is advertising like mad right now. VOIP! Priced up there with the name brands but without all the enhanced features, free phones/wifi phones/routers or specials. Just the outdated box Vonage used to give away but for an extra $70 or more. Is there such a thing as direct marketing when something much better is popping up in your face every five seconds? Of course not. The sole purpose of direct marketing is to create, produce and market your own unique products. Anyone knows it would be insanely stupid to work an MLM against any competition. Much less, being an ant in an elephant march that's gaining more elephants day by day. It's an insult to one's intelligence to even imply the possibility of making riches near minimum wage.

These people have been "in business" for some 7+ years and avoiding recognition (from the law?) by changing names constantly and moving all over, but still they have been internet related all that time and there have been no loyal customers or reputable reviewers whatsoever touting the products. No money is coming in from that but they are tricked into buying it themselves like classic pyramid schemes described by the FTC. It's just common services that they have licensed from another company. I
followed it back to cognigen.com which has more services with a free rep signup. A perfect pyramid scheme product without spending anything. So the $390 is for a few boxes to get a jump start generating revenue? No. All of it is distributed up the pyramid. That $390 gives you no product to sell and make money from.

The "business" is not on any MLM list because of the simple fact that it does not qualify as one. The "product" will never even be at the bottom of the many VOIP review sites and is obviously just there to slip under the legal radar and get naive kids right out of high school to think it's legit.

Sadly most give up college, friends, future and everything they own to live with 50 others, working minimum wage, have no money and their only material possessions are some nice suits. They were very happy with a positive attitude though. I'll give them that.