Mentoring Of America - John Beck's Amazing Profits Convinced 91-year-old father to approve credit card for about $6500.00 by phone ripoff Van Nuys American Fork Utah

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*UPDATE Rip-off Report Investigation: John Beck Pledges To Resolve Complaints. - commitment to 100% customer satisfaction - Consumers can feel confident & secure when doing business with John Beck.

This comany sells coaching for these three gurus: Each run their own late night infomercial.

Jeff Paul - "Kitchen Table Millionaires"
John Beck - "Free and Clear Real Estate System"
John Alexander - "Real Estate Riches in 14 Days"

All three are associated with Mentoring of America LLC out of Utah. They use several of the same contact phone numbers and e-mail addresses.

See this recent news report video that aired on live TV: Copy and paste to your browser.

www.wkrc.com/mediacenter/?videoId=10945=9

They are under more lawsuits right now, since that story was aired.

I was able to get all my money back (more than $7,000) from them only after filing this complaint form against them with the Utah Division of Consumer Protection.

Anyone can get their money back no matter how long ago it was that Mentoring of America cheated you. The same goes weather you came in under Jeff Paul, John Beck, or John Alexander. The coaching is all done by the same company, Mentoring of America LLC out of Utah.

Copy and paste for a comsumer complaint form.

www.consumerprotection.utah.gov/downloads/complaintform.pdf

Be sure to include with a copy of your bank/credit card statements with the charges highlited. Also staple a copy of the "Enrollment Confirmation" page if you still have not signed and returned it back to them.

Regardless of which of their many offices in Utah you are dealing with, use this address below on your complaint form.

Their main corporate office is:

Mentoring of America LLC
752 East 1180 South Suite #200
American Fork, Utah 84003
Phone: 877-704-6346

After you complaint is received in the mail, keep in contact with Utah investigator Ao Pauga at 801-530-6601. His first name is pronounced "Al".

Hello Reid and others,
My solution is for the scumbag John Beck to go hunting with d**k Cheney, that ought to do it.
Take Care

Hey there Frank,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Contact your credit card company's dispute department and notify them of John Beck's fraudulent activities. They'll be able to give you the best advice on how to resolve such a matter.

Contact your local police department, the FBI and all other government law enforcement agencies and file reports with them as well.

The John Beck Mentoring Institute is unable to do a thing about victims disputing their fraudulent charges so they continue to f^ck with their victims far after they've won favorable decisions and received their money back.

The fact that the John Beck Mentoring Institute randomely sends victims to their fraudulent collection agencies such as EPN and Bennett and Deloney proves that they are nothing but a bunch of desperate inbreded apes attempting to capitalize from those that cannot stand up for themselves.

What the John Beck Mentoring Institute has done by tampering with your credit score Frank is totally fraudulent or they'd tamper with every one of their victims credit scores and not randomely select who has what happen to them.

Until next time, take care Frank cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

I went through the JOHN BECK/Collection agency bull! Now the collection ageny put a $2600 debt on my credit report.I did receive my $10495 credit card transaction back with the help of my bank..but now what do i do about the collection account on my credit report?They call my cell phone constantly and they told me the $2600 was for the material that was sent to my house. I never accepted any material, as I was informed by my bank not to do so.I evev called FedEx and told them to not send it to me/send it back to sender. How do I get this off of my credit report. It is hurting my credit rating.

Hey there Frank,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

FRANK: Beck's and his clones' "systems" are at best outdated and at worst, incorrect, unethical or illegal, probably all three. The only thing their "systems" will teach you is what it feels like to get scammed big-time.

REID: John Beck's "system" is nothing but a bait and switch scheme whereby societal defects working in an illegal boiler room sell a fraudulent program in which they have absolutely no intention of delivering.

John Beck's so called "mentoring" program which costed me $6,400.00 consisted only of a few fifteen to twenty minute phone conversations, where my coach directed me to a couple of free/public websites and expected me bid blindly on properties. Seriously!

Oh, my bad, I forgot to mention the useful advice I had been given to take all of my tax related questions to H&R Block. LOL!

Until next time, take care Frank cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

You're right, Reid. Once you start selling "secrets," they're no longer secrets, now are they? Some (very little) of the stuff Beck and his b*****d relatives are selling might have worked to some extent twenty or thirty years ago but it's now hopelessly out of date.

As many filers of ripoff reports have said, if you walk into a real estate office or bank and try to use Beck-style methods, they'll laugh you right back out the door. Beck's and his clones' "systems" are at best outdated and at worst, incorrect, unethical or illegal, probably all three. The only thing their "systems" will teach you is what it feels like to get scammed big-time. Pretty damned expensive education.

The successful real estate operators I know all have one thing in common: they have absolutely no use or respect for these mass-marketed "systems" and the "gurus" who peddle them.

It's ironic, but the thousands of dollars that scam victims pay for "systems" and "boot camps" would be better used for a down payment on a piece of property. At least then they would have something to show for the money.

Real estate investing is a tough, risky way to make money and there are no magic formulas for success regardless of what the "gurus" say. Like you said, Reid, if it was so easy to make money in real estate, how come these guys aren't doing it themselves?

Remember the old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach>" The modern version is "Those who can, do; those who can't, scam."

Hey there Frank,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

John T. Reed should stop wasting his time down playing the programs of other Real Estate "gurus", while trying to promote his own, because there is no such thing as "gurus" of any sort teaching total strangers how to "accumulate wealth."

SOME THINGS TO PONDER:

1. Why aren't these trailor trash mama f^ckers using their programs themselves?

2. Who the hell in their right minds would ever agree to sell these programs, as opposed to using the "wealth building" strategies themselves?

3. Why is the cost to enroll into these fraudulent mentoring programs directly proportional to ones "available credit?" In other words, just "maxing out" ones credit limit?

4. Why aren't any of these diseases willing and able to come forward in the public eye and substantiate their earning claims, salespitches, testimonials, etc, etc?

5. Why haven't even one of these so called "gurus" ever come forward in the public eye to prove a single report regarding their fraudulent program to the contrary?

6. Why do these gurus have such a difficult time winning favorable decisions in credit card disputes?

7. Why has John Beck totally ignored my many public challenges to come forward and participate in an open transaction? One which would yield him thousands more than the $6,400.00 he tried to scam me out of?

8. If John Beck could truly mentor someone into building the kind of wealth he claims possible, why doesn't he agree to accept his/her payment contingent upon them becoming one of his success stories?

9. If there truly were such a thing as legitimate "wealth building" knowlege being offered to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible, what would be so wrong with a 50/50 split?????

Until next time, take care Frank cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Frank,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

John T. Reed should stop wasting his time down playing the programs of other Real Estate "gurus", while trying to promote his own, because there is no such thing as "gurus" of any sort teaching total strangers how to "accumulate wealth."

SOME THINGS TO PONDER:

1. Why aren't these trailor trash mama f^ckers using their programs themselves?

2. Who the hell in their right minds would ever agree to sell these programs, as opposed to using the "wealth building" strategies themselves?

3. Why is the cost to enroll into these fraudulent mentoring programs directly proportional to ones "available credit?" In other words, just "maxing out" ones credit limit?

4. Why aren't any of these diseases willing and able to come forward in the public eye and substantiate their earning claims, salespitches, testimonials, etc, etc?

5. Why haven't even one of these so called "gurus" ever come forward in the public eye to prove a single report regarding their fraudulent program to the contrary?

6. Why do these gurus have such a difficult time winning favorable decisions in credit card disputes?

7. Why has John Beck totally ignored my many public challenges to come forward and participate in an open transaction? One which would yield him thousands more than the $6,400.00 he tried to scam me out of?

8. If John Beck could truly mentor someone into building the kind of wealth he claims possible, why doesn't he agree to accept his/her payment contingent upon them becoming one of his success stories?

9. If there truly were such a thing as legitimate "wealth building" knowlege being offered to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible, what would be so wrong with a 50/50 split?????

Until next time, take care Frank cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Frank,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

John T. Reed should stop wasting his time down playing the programs of other Real Estate "gurus", while trying to promote his own, because there is no such thing as "gurus" of any sort teaching total strangers how to "accumulate wealth."

SOME THINGS TO PONDER:

1. Why aren't these trailor trash mama f^ckers using their programs themselves?

2. Who the hell in their right minds would ever agree to sell these programs, as opposed to using the "wealth building" strategies themselves?

3. Why is the cost to enroll into these fraudulent mentoring programs directly proportional to ones "available credit?" In other words, just "maxing out" ones credit limit?

4. Why aren't any of these diseases willing and able to come forward in the public eye and substantiate their earning claims, salespitches, testimonials, etc, etc?

5. Why haven't even one of these so called "gurus" ever come forward in the public eye to prove a single report regarding their fraudulent program to the contrary?

6. Why do these gurus have such a difficult time winning favorable decisions in credit card disputes?

7. Why has John Beck totally ignored my many public challenges to come forward and participate in an open transaction? One which would yield him thousands more than the $6,400.00 he tried to scam me out of?

8. If John Beck could truly mentor someone into building the kind of wealth he claims possible, why doesn't he agree to accept his/her payment contingent upon them becoming one of his success stories?

9. If there truly were such a thing as legitimate "wealth building" knowlege being offered to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible, what would be so wrong with a 50/50 split?????

Until next time, take care Frank cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Frank,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

John T. Reed should stop wasting his time down playing the programs of other Real Estate "gurus", while trying to promote his own, because there is no such thing as "gurus" of any sort teaching total strangers how to "accumulate wealth."

SOME THINGS TO PONDER:

1. Why aren't these trailor trash mama f^ckers using their programs themselves?

2. Who the hell in their right minds would ever agree to sell these programs, as opposed to using the "wealth building" strategies themselves?

3. Why is the cost to enroll into these fraudulent mentoring programs directly proportional to ones "available credit?" In other words, just "maxing out" ones credit limit?

4. Why aren't any of these diseases willing and able to come forward in the public eye and substantiate their earning claims, salespitches, testimonials, etc, etc?

5. Why haven't even one of these so called "gurus" ever come forward in the public eye to prove a single report regarding their fraudulent program to the contrary?

6. Why do these gurus have such a difficult time winning favorable decisions in credit card disputes?

7. Why has John Beck totally ignored my many public challenges to come forward and participate in an open transaction? One which would yield him thousands more than the $6,400.00 he tried to scam me out of?

8. If John Beck could truly mentor someone into building the kind of wealth he claims possible, why doesn't he agree to accept his/her payment contingent upon them becoming one of his success stories?

9. If there truly were such a thing as legitimate "wealth building" knowlege being offered to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible, what would be so wrong with a 50/50 split?????

Until next time, take care Frank cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Check johntreed.com for the updated guru rating page. Reed has finally (he says "reluctantly") listed John Beck as a "do not recommend" because of all the complaints Reed has received about Beck and Genesis Media or whatever names Beck's scam organizations go by these days.

Hey there Pam,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Be sure to keep all documents pertaining to this scam and your dispute. Inbreed Beck will attempt to sell this non-existent debt to yet another fraudulent entity known as the Law Offices of Bennett & Deloney.

Bennett means Stink in some foreign language and Deloney means a*s. Yes, these are the two brownie packers that were forced to pay back many in the past for perpetuating unlawful collection practices.

DO not be intimidated by Stink & a*s. They're not going to sue you, because it would cost them considerably more in litigation fees and attorney fees than the measly $6,000.00-$13,000.00 they're trying to scam you out of.

The Law Offices of Stink & a*s is a scam operation and it's NOT just a matter of opinion.

Until next time, take care Pam cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hi Reid and all,

I talked to my contact at MBNA, she said John Beck... will be paying back the full amount. I asked about the late charges and interest.
She said I will have to pay nothing. I said when, she said next week. I said I'm not going to hold my breath. She said she has it in writing.

What's wrong with John Beck, can't he get his own credit cards instead of using ours.

Of course, there are probably plenty of people who don't know about Rip-off reports and don't know how to proceed with getting their money back, and end up paying for nothing.

I am certainly glad I happened across this website and have the support of Reid and others with information and suggestions of how to handle these perverts.

Thanks a lot guys and gals.

I'll let you know if it really happens or if I keep my appointment with my attorney in pursuit of a class act lawsuit. John Beck... set the time, one to two billing cycles. The time is nearly up.

Sincerely.

Hey there Rick,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

RICK: I don't mean to shoot the wounded but I have to ask.. why hasn't your credit card company demanded a refund from those frauds??

REID: There's an obvious answer to this question, regardless of what credit companies want consumers to believe, and that is they don't give a rat's a$$ about their cardholders.

John Beck should have had his merchant account taken away a long time before having the opportunity to EXTORT money from this many victims.

Credit card companies know d**n well, that there's no such thing as legitimate "wealth building" opportunities being marketed to total strangers, where the cost to enroll is less than the "earning potential" claimed possible.

In other words, "product of incest" Beck is NOT going to provide a complete stranger the know how to obtain $10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month for anything less.

Credit card companies, regardless of their knowlege of someones criminal activities will continuously authorize charges to their merchant account.

The fact that there's 70+ unacknowleged and unresolved reports on John Beck's fraud alone, on this one website alone, is absolute proof of the above statement being accurate.

Until next time, take care Rick cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Capital Ones Super Heroes are not doing their jobs in protecting their cardholders from fraudulent charges as they so fraudulently claim in their commercial.

Just a quick response to everyone and especially Pam...
Pam, to find out more about filing a lawsuit against Beck, I would second Reid's suggestion to speak with the folks that maintain this site and also find a REAL attorney.. not one like Beck or the phonies, B&D! Not one of those folks that rip you off when you've been injured (that's a whole different conversation)either. Someone who actually does litigation.. business law. The attorney I spoke with indicated that something like this, depending on the number of folks involved could be on a contingency basis or, possibly on an hourly basis. So it may cost you up front if you are the only one involved. I would suggest you contact your states attorney general office to find out if there have been others in your state that have filed a complaints. The more folks, the better. Unfortunately, not enough people know about this site as well as the others mentioned nor do enough folks check out the BBB.org site until it's too late. I didn't.. and wish I had. What I'm trying to say here is that folks just don't know.. don't be surprised if the attorney you speak with doesn't even know. The one I spoke with didn't until we brought it to his attention. He stated to us that folks know all about the crooks and robbers that hold up the local connivence store because it's on the local news. Most of us don't know that this type of crime.. con men, frauds, rip off artists like these pigs, cost us more than any bank robber ever will. No one gets the word out. We NEED to get the word out. I'm not so naive to think that if we stifle or even stop one of his companies, that Beck won't start up as something else the very next day. We can see the pattern already. Why else would they keep switching bogus companies and creating new ones already except to hide from the law and prosecution. They are nothing but cowards.

I don't mean to shoot the wounded but I have to ask.. why hasn't your credit card company demanded a refund from those frauds?? Obviously I'm torn here.. I really want someone to be able to sue these pigs but first and foremost, I don't want them to have anyone's money... not for one lousy second! They (credit card company) need to get ALL of your money back. To me, they should be at least helping you in this matter.The credit card companies really do have some power in a situation like this... I just wish all of them would help out on this... some sort of notation should come up when someone uses a credit card for a transaction with Beck and his bogus companies... some type of warning they can give out to the individual making the purchase.

Spread the word.. don't let these con artists steal anyone else's money!

Just a quick response to everyone and especially Pam...
Pam, to find out more about filing a lawsuit against Beck, I would second Reid's suggestion to speak with the folks that maintain this site and also find a REAL attorney.. not one like Beck or the phonies, B&D! Not one of those folks that rip you off when you've been injured (that's a whole different conversation)either. Someone who actually does litigation.. business law. The attorney I spoke with indicated that something like this, depending on the number of folks involved could be on a contingency basis or, possibly on an hourly basis. So it may cost you up front if you are the only one involved. I would suggest you contact your states attorney general office to find out if there have been others in your state that have filed a complaints. The more folks, the better. Unfortunately, not enough people know about this site as well as the others mentioned nor do enough folks check out the BBB.org site until it's too late. I didn't.. and wish I had. What I'm trying to say here is that folks just don't know.. don't be surprised if the attorney you speak with doesn't even know. The one I spoke with didn't until we brought it to his attention. He stated to us that folks know all about the crooks and robbers that hold up the local connivence store because it's on the local news. Most of us don't know that this type of crime.. con men, frauds, rip off artists like these pigs, cost us more than any bank robber ever will. No one gets the word out. We NEED to get the word out. I'm not so naive to think that if we stifle or even stop one of his companies, that Beck won't start up as something else the very next day. We can see the pattern already. Why else would they keep switching bogus companies and creating new ones already except to hide from the law and prosecution. They are nothing but cowards.

I don't mean to shoot the wounded but I have to ask.. why hasn't your credit card company demanded a refund from those frauds?? Obviously I'm torn here.. I really want someone to be able to sue these pigs but first and foremost, I don't want them to have anyone's money... not for one lousy second! They (credit card company) need to get ALL of your money back. To me, they should be at least helping you in this matter.The credit card companies really do have some power in a situation like this... I just wish all of them would help out on this... some sort of notation should come up when someone uses a credit card for a transaction with Beck and his bogus companies... some type of warning they can give out to the individual making the purchase.

Spread the word.. don't let these con artists steal anyone else's money!

Just a quick response to everyone and especially Pam...
Pam, to find out more about filing a lawsuit against Beck, I would second Reid's suggestion to speak with the folks that maintain this site and also find a REAL attorney.. not one like Beck or the phonies, B&D! Not one of those folks that rip you off when you've been injured (that's a whole different conversation)either. Someone who actually does litigation.. business law. The attorney I spoke with indicated that something like this, depending on the number of folks involved could be on a contingency basis or, possibly on an hourly basis. So it may cost you up front if you are the only one involved. I would suggest you contact your states attorney general office to find out if there have been others in your state that have filed a complaints. The more folks, the better. Unfortunately, not enough people know about this site as well as the others mentioned nor do enough folks check out the BBB.org site until it's too late. I didn't.. and wish I had. What I'm trying to say here is that folks just don't know.. don't be surprised if the attorney you speak with doesn't even know. The one I spoke with didn't until we brought it to his attention. He stated to us that folks know all about the crooks and robbers that hold up the local connivence store because it's on the local news. Most of us don't know that this type of crime.. con men, frauds, rip off artists like these pigs, cost us more than any bank robber ever will. No one gets the word out. We NEED to get the word out. I'm not so naive to think that if we stifle or even stop one of his companies, that Beck won't start up as something else the very next day. We can see the pattern already. Why else would they keep switching bogus companies and creating new ones already except to hide from the law and prosecution. They are nothing but cowards.

I don't mean to shoot the wounded but I have to ask.. why hasn't your credit card company demanded a refund from those frauds?? Obviously I'm torn here.. I really want someone to be able to sue these pigs but first and foremost, I don't want them to have anyone's money... not for one lousy second! They (credit card company) need to get ALL of your money back. To me, they should be at least helping you in this matter.The credit card companies really do have some power in a situation like this... I just wish all of them would help out on this... some sort of notation should come up when someone uses a credit card for a transaction with Beck and his bogus companies... some type of warning they can give out to the individual making the purchase.

Spread the word.. don't let these con artists steal anyone else's money!

Reid from Hawaii:

John "Incest" Beck has an updated video. It was made 11/12/02 and is labeled under Family Products and produced by Media for the Masses. Phone 1-800-570-7762.

I work at a TV station here in Salt Lake City on the night shift and run a ton of infomercials including John Beck, Dean Graziosi, Don LaPre, etc etc. All of them are embarrassing and I wish I could tell people not to waste their time and money with them.

I have no beef with any of them as I have not ordered any products from them. Nor will I. If there is no actual address and they only accept credit cards, run very fast away from your TV set!

There are tons of so-called guru's out there having workshops inviting you to participate and share the love. Just remember to leave your credit cards at home.

Hey there Pam,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

PAM: Hi Reid, Rick and everyone,

Rick, if I understand you in your rebuttal, a person may join in a class act lawsuit if no part of a refund has been received.

I would like to know more about how to proceed, as I have not received any part of a refund on the $14,995. stolen from my credit card account. See my story submitted 8/2/2005.

REID: I have already received a full refund, so must allow Rick to address this concern. I will however, participate in any class action against the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institutute if it should arise, even if just to mock these inbreeds in public.

PAM: Reid, After signing the Refund Agreement and returning it on August 26, 2005, I received an
E-mail from John Beck asking me to share my "success story" to be considered for his new infomercial he will be broadcasting soon. Of course I did not respond. I don't want to sit across the table from a snake.

REID: This is just an attempt to backdoor you. DO NOT fall for any emails or phone calls from this illegal/criminal boiler room operation.

1. You are NOT one of inbreed Beck's "success stories" and he knows it. So for him to contact you via email asking you to share your non-existent "success story" to be considered for his new infomercial he will be broadcasting soon is ludicrious.

Exactly how does inbreed Beck intend on having you share a story which has not happend? Sounds like a bribe to me. Maybe he's interested in paying you to read a script off a telepromter, just as he obviously had in the past.

2. F^ck face inbreed Beck has not produced a new Infomercial since the mid 70's. I was promised the same thing and yet you don't see me in his Infomercial. John Beck is an unscrupulous b*****d, his Infomercial is just a gimmick to lure victims into a fraudulent Real Estate program.

PAM: After that I received a call from another one of JB's con people. Giving me the opportunity to loose some more money. Isn't that just swell! I asked the con if he had worked there long. He said about a month. I referred him to this web site. I let him know I am unhappy with the whole mess.

REID: Keep all emails from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute for your records. John Beck's employees are literally as dumb as rocks and will inevidibly slip, thus cause any dispute against them in the future to go smooth sailing. A mistake on their part may even be construed as fraud or even more serious crimes and land them in prison.

PAM: So...how do I join a class act lawsuit?

REID: Contact the EDitor of this website. He is a really helpfull gentleman. Click on the contact link below to email him your concern.

PAM: Thanks for your information.

REID: Keep us posted on John Beck's criminal activities and his exact whereabouts.

Until next time, take care Pam cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Infomercialscams.com now has 91 reports on this company's fraud. Realestatecoursereviews.com has 46.

Hi Reid, Rick and everyone,

Rick, if I understand you in your rebuttal, a person may join in a class act lawsuit if no part of a refund has been received.

I would like to know more about how to proceed, as I have not received any part of a refund on the $14,995. stolen from my credit card account. See my story submitted 8/2/2005.

Reid, After signing the Refund Agreement and returning it on August 26, 2005, I received an
E-mail from John Beck asking me to share my "success story" to be considered for his new infomercial he will be broadcasting soon. Of course I did not respond. I don't want to sit across the table from a snake.

After that I received a call from another one of JB's con people. Giving me the opportunity to loose some more money. Isn't that just swell! I asked the con if he had worked there long. He said about a month. I referred him to this web site. I let him know I am unhappy with the whole mess.

So...how do I join a class act lawsuit?

Thanks for your information.

Hey there Rick,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

It's been well over a month since I've sent my dispute letter to the fraudulent Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney. These maggots still have not responded to it. Gee, I wonder why? I'd be more than ready to PROVE that someone owed me money prior to sending them a letter claiming so.

You are absolutely correct Rick, in that no one should send Bennett & Deloney any money, unless that is, they are able to substantiate/verify the debt in which they are attempting to collect on.

The Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney were held accountable and forced to pay back thousands for perpetuating an illegal "bounced check" scam. So much for credibility! LOL!

Any and all debts perportedely from the John Beck Mentoring Institute, Mentoring Of America, or whatever the f^ck these inbreeds are known as today, should be disregarded, as legitimate "wealth building" programs simply do not exist.

There is absolutely no such thing as legitimate "wealth building" programs being offered to total strangers where the cost to enroll is less than the "earning potential" claimed possible.

Until next time, take care Rick cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Just wanted to update folks on my visit with a REAL attorney! Reid, you and others have mentioned many things we can do on our own to stop try and stop the slime from Beck and his pond scum.. all of which are the same recommendations from the attorney I spoke with. We need to write letters, file complaints, what ever you wish to call it to the Utah attorney general as well as the state attorney general where each of us live... as well as the Utah bar review board for the phoney lawyers AND also to the Federal Trade commission. It was even suggested we write the FCC since they use television to suck us in! I have some of the addresses I'll place below. The one sad thing about some of this... many of us have shot ourselves in the foot. A couple months back I contacted a law firm out of California that specializes in class action lawsuits. Since a majority of us have been able to get our money back via the credit card companies, we can't file suite against them. Obviously that the simple response to the question but that's the basics. So.. if I may suggest to anyone that has not been able to get their money back or a portion of it only, if I understand correctly, you can participate in a class action lawsuit and I BEG you to do so!
For those who may have just joined up with others that are on the Bennett and Deloney mailing list, you need to dispute their so called claim. As many here have mentioned, these claims are bogus, Beck and his scum bags are liars and the so called law firm that bought these papers will try to scare you into paying. DO NOT submit to their unethical business practices, scare tactics or ruthless aggression. I agree with the others here.. look them up.. find out what kind of company and personnel you're dealing with. They ripped us off once, don't let them do it again.

Here are the addresses:

If you would like to call...

Questions, Complaints, Requests, or Suggestions
General Office Numbers: (801) 366-0260, (801) 538-9600, (801) 366-0300
Toll Free within the State of Utah: (800) AG4 INFO (244-4636)
E-Mail: uag@utah.gov
Please leave your name, phone number or address so you can be contacted.

Utah State Capitol Office
Office of the Attorney General
Utah State Capitol Complex
East Office Bldg, Suite 320
SLC UT 84114-2320

Utah State Capitol Office Mailing Address
Office of the Attorney General
PO Box 142320
SLC UT 84114-2320


Utah state bar:
Utah State Bar 645 South 200 East,
Salt Lake City Utah, 84111
PH: (801) 531-9077 FX: (801) 531-0660
Email: info@utahbar.org

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

NEWSFLASH: Be aware of the newest scam. It involves fraudulent Attorneys posing as collection agencies.

The scam entails the PURCHASING of debts, which in many cases cannot be verified by the collection agency that's attempting to collect on it, or worst yet, does not exist to begin with.

Legitimate collection practices in the real world involes creditors being able to SUBSTANTIATE any and all debts prior to sending out claims to debtors, otherwise the atttempts to collect the UNVERIFIED debts may be construed as extortion.

Yes, Bennett & Deloney are from Utah and had been involed in the "bounced check" scam. In other words, they've already been caught red handed participating in "UNLAWFUL PRACTICES" according to an Attorney General.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

I am doing well thanks and trust you are the same.

It makes sense. Barney the pedophile dinosaur and Barney the pedophile "attorney". Goood analogy!

I keep waiting for another court date so I can get this overwith. The last court date that was sent I didn't get notified untill three days AFTER I was supposed to appear. So much for any credibility this guy had.

I just saw John Beck's info-scam. He is in the same class as Felon LaPree, f****t Graziosi, and all the rest. I am sure they all share the same homosexual toothless prostitute.

Take care my friend!

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

I have a great idea on how to make money and I'm willing to give this secret away for free. Skeptical? Well don't be. There are many fraudulent law offices posing as collection agencies that are using my system right now.

These f^cker$ of their own relatives, PURCHASE debts that are unverified/unsubstantiated in bulk, and at enormous discounts and attempt to "make something out of nothing."

Bennett & Deloney is just one of many of these fraudulent collection agencies. Still skeptical? Conduct a google search on Bennett & Deloney to read the entire story and how these two chimps have attempted to defraud many.

Simply compile a list of names and addresses of your surrounding neighbors and send them a bogus collections notice printed on stationary with the letterhead appearing to have been sent from a legitimate "law office."

The more professional your letter seems to be, the better your chances for success. LOL! This will inevidibly scare many into sending you money. Lots of it!!!

DISCLAIMER: This prank, scam, hoax, or whatever you wish to call it, may provoke many to grab you outside of a nightclub or shopping mall, place you in a headlock and repeatedly punch you in the face. It may even get you shot and killed. Pull this scam at your own risk.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

I have a great idea on how to make money and I'm willing to give this secret away for free. Skeptical? Well don't be. There are many fraudulent law offices posing as collection agencies that are using my system right now.

These f^cker$ of their own relatives, PURCHASE debts that are unverified/unsubstantiated in bulk, and at enormous discounts and attempt to "make something out of nothing."

Bennett & Deloney is just one of many of these fraudulent collection agencies. Still skeptical? Conduct a google search on Bennett & Deloney to read the entire story and how these two chimps have attempted to defraud many.

Simply compile a list of names and addresses of your surrounding neighbors and send them a bogus collections notice printed on stationary with the letterhead appearing to have been sent from a legitimate "law office."

The more professional your letter seems to be, the better your chances for success. LOL! This will inevidibly scare many into sending you money. Lots of it!!!

DISCLAIMER: This prank, scam, hoax, or whatever you wish to call it, may provoke many to grab you outside of a nightclub or shopping mall, place you in a headlock and repeatedly punch you in the face. It may even get you shot and killed. Pull this scam at your own risk.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

I have a great idea on how to make money and I'm willing to give this secret away for free. Skeptical? Well don't be. There are many fraudulent law offices posing as collection agencies that are using my system right now.

These f^cker$ of their own relatives, PURCHASE debts that are unverified/unsubstantiated in bulk, and at enormous discounts and attempt to "make something out of nothing."

Bennett & Deloney is just one of many of these fraudulent collection agencies. Still skeptical? Conduct a google search on Bennett & Deloney to read the entire story and how these two chimps have attempted to defraud many.

Simply compile a list of names and addresses of your surrounding neighbors and send them a bogus collections notice printed on stationary with the letterhead appearing to have been sent from a legitimate "law office."

The more professional your letter seems to be, the better your chances for success. LOL! This will inevidibly scare many into sending you money. Lots of it!!!

DISCLAIMER: This prank, scam, hoax, or whatever you wish to call it, may provoke many to grab you outside of a nightclub or shopping mall, place you in a headlock and repeatedly punch you in the face. It may even get you shot and killed. Pull this scam at your own risk.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

I have a great idea on how to make money and I'm willing to give this secret away for free. Skeptical? Well don't be. There are many fraudulent law offices posing as collection agencies that are using my system right now.

These f^cker$ of their own relatives, PURCHASE debts that are unverified/unsubstantiated in bulk, and at enormous discounts and attempt to "make something out of nothing."

Bennett & Deloney is just one of many of these fraudulent collection agencies. Still skeptical? Conduct a google search on Bennett & Deloney to read the entire story and how these two chimps have attempted to defraud many.

Simply compile a list of names and addresses of your surrounding neighbors and send them a bogus collections notice printed on stationary with the letterhead appearing to have been sent from a legitimate "law office."

The more professional your letter seems to be, the better your chances for success. LOL! This will inevidibly scare many into sending you money. Lots of it!!!

DISCLAIMER: This prank, scam, hoax, or whatever you wish to call it, may provoke many to grab you outside of a nightclub or shopping mall, place you in a headlock and repeatedly punch you in the face. It may even get you shot and killed. Pull this scam at your own risk.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Michael,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Isn't Barney that q***r purple dinosaur? I think I will add Barney to my list of pedophiles. LOL! You are absolutely right Michael, about unscrupuplous Attorneys not being able to verify debts, because chances are they don't even exist.

Like the fraudulent Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney, EPN, and child molester Barney, many "law offices" are now resorting to PURCHASING of debts in bulk and at enormous discounts in hopes to "make something happen" with them.

Bennett & Deloney have been ordered to pay back thousands for conducting unlawful practices and therefore, I have a pretty difficult time taking these inbreeds seriously upon having received stationary with their names affixed to it.

The same goes for EPN, Barney the child molester, and ALL other "law firms" that send out toilet paper claiming monies owed them, but have absolutely no substantiation for the so called debt.

Until next time take care Michael cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey Reid,

Add Jay Barney to your list of pedophile attorneys that practice their version of "law" here in Utah. I have this child molester trying to collect not one but TWO debts. Debts that he cannot prove that I owe and that I don't owe anyway.
A couple of months ago I sent certified mail to this clown asking for proof of my debt and so far I have not heard from him. No surprise there. I found it funny that Jay Barney has a P.O Box for an address and a cell phone for a business phone.
The guys you listed and the one that I listed probably each other on their lunch break.
How is Hawaii these days? I haven't been there for a while.
Anyway, keep up the good work!

Hey there Rick,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

I too have received a letter from the fraudulent collection agency known as the Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney. Total meat heads. Yes, these inbreeds were the perpetraters of the "bounced check" scam.

Send these clowns a letter requesting that they verify the so called debt or cease all contact otherwise. They can't, it's impossible, because there is no debt and they know it.

John Beck's Infomercial, his programs, and his business are fraudulent and it's NOT just a matter of opinion.

There is absolutely no such thing as legitimate "wealth building" programs being sold to total strangers, for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible, as such information would make no sense mathematically for any business or "guru" to promote.

I will probably be tied up for the next two months Rick, but yes, I would most certainly participate in a class action against John Beck and his band of inbreeds. Please keep me posted on the details.

NOTICE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC:

1. DO NOT consider this Free and Clear program to be legitimate, just because of "bend over" puppet Beck's title as "Attorney." John Beck's title is meaningless. John Beck is an unscrupulous inbreed.

2. The John Beck Mentoring Institute like their Infomercial is bogus. Their salespitches are BOGUS, earning claims are UNSUBSTANTIATED, Infomercial MISLEADING and DECEPTIVE, and their program FRAUDULENT at it's very core.

3. The cost to enroll into this fraudulent credit card lure and trap scheme is directly proportional to ones "available credit."

4. NOT A SINGLE INBREED from this fraudulent company has ever come forward in the public eye to acknowledge, explain, or resolve a single report, and or has PROVEN a single report regarding their blatant fraud to the contrary.

5. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute have failed miserably to come forward and engage in many open and unbiased credit card disputes, but later decides to SELL these non-existent/unverified debts to another fraudulent entity (Bennett & Deloney). Yes, Bennett & Deloney were the clowns involved in the "bounced check" scam.

6. John Beck's "MONEY BACK GUARANTEE", like the many other inbreeds purportedly selling "wealth building" programs is just part of their scam. It's just a lure to obtain ones credit card info. Once a victim falls prey to this lure, he or she will find it near impossible to contact a live operator at the illegal boiler room operation.

7. Isn't it interesting how Carlton Sheet's Infomercial clearly states, that they do not accept checks or money orders??? Why is this??? Isn't checks and money orders legal payment methods for obtaining products and services. Probably has something to do with Carlton Sheet's company repeatedly and fraudulently charging ones credit card after he or she have decided to take advantage of Carlton Sheet's "30 DAY FREE TRIAL."

8. I wonder why the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute have decided to decline my many public offers, which would have yielded them profit's in upwards of $150,000.00, yet claim to "mentor" total strangers to success for less than $10,000.00??? John Beck's fraudulent Infomercial suggests that there's an abundance of these tax lien properties.

9. Isn't it interesting how the f^ck!ng so called "success stories" on John Beck's fraudulent Infomercial are obviously reading scripts from a telepromter??? Don't these inbreeds know their own "success stories???" NOT ONE of these inbreeds are looking directly into the camera while sharing their UNSUBSTANTIATED "success story."

10. Why won't a single person from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, or one of the many other fraudulent "wealth building" informational companies come forward in the public eye to engage in an open discussion??? What are they hiding???

11. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute has a P.O Box for an address and have no website. Why would such a business NOT have an office and professionally designed website??? Exactly where do these inbreeds answer their phones???

Sorry ladies and gentlemen, there simply is no such thing as legitimate "wealth building" information being diseminated to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible.

Until next time, take care Rick cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

COME FORWARD YOU "PRODUCT OF INCEST" COCKROACHES, SO THE MANY VICTIMS OF YOUR SCAM CAN EXPOSE YOUR SORRY ASSES ON THE INTERNET THUS SUBJECT YOU TO THE VIOLENT ENCOUNTERS AND BEATDOWNS YOU DESERVE.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

No one has posted a rebuttal for a while, so I've decided to take it upon myself to post one, thus save many from falling victim to the John Beck scam. YES, it is a scam and IT'S NOT just a matter of opinion!

1. DO NOT consider this Free and Clear program to be legitimate, just because of "bend over" puppet Beck's title as "Attorney." John Beck's title is meaningless. John Beck is an unscrupulous inbreed.

2. The John Beck Mentoring Institute like their Infomercial is bogus. Their salespitches are BOGUS, earning claims are UNSUBSTANTIATED, Infomercial MISLEADING and DECEPTIVE, and their program FRAUDULENT at it's very core.

3. The cost to enroll into this fraudulent credit card lure and trap scheme is directly proportional to ones "available credit."

4. NOT A SINGLE INBREED from this fraudulent company has ever come forward in the public eye to acknowledge, explain, or resolve a single report, and or has PROVEN a single report regarding their blatant fraud to the contrary.

5. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute have failed miserably to come forward and engage in many open and unbiased credit card disputes, but later decides to SELL these non-existent/unverified debts to another fraudulent entity (Bennett & Deloney). Yes, Bennett & Deloney were the clowns involved in the "bounced check" scam.

6. John Beck's "MONEY BACK GUARANTEE", like the many other inbreeds purportedly selling "wealth building" programs is just part of their scam. It's just a lure to obtain ones credit card info. Once a victim falls prey to this lure, he or she will find it near impossible to contact a live operator at the illegal boiler room operation.

7. Isn't it interesting how Carlton Sheet's Infomercial clearly states, that they do not accept checks or money orders??? Why is this??? Isn't checks and money orders legal payment methods for obtaining products and services. Probably has something to do with Carlton Sheet's company repeatedly and fraudulently charging ones credit card after he or she have decided to take advantage of Carlton Sheet's "30 DAY FREE TRIAL."

8. I wonder why the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute have decided to decline my many public offers, which would have yielded them profit's in upwards of $150,000.00, yet claim to "mentor" total strangers to success for less than $10,000.00? John Beck's fraudulent Infomercial suggests that there's an abundance of these tax lien properties.

9. Isn't it interesting how the f^ck!ng so called "success stories" on John Beck's fraudulent Infomercial are obviously reading scripts from a telepromter??? Don't these inbreeds know their own "success stories???" NOT ONE of these inbreeds are looking directly into the camera while sharing their UNSUBSTANTIATED "success story."

10. Why won't a single person from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, or one of the many other fraudulent "wealth building" informational companies come forward in the public eye to engage in an open discussion??? What are they hiding???

Sorry ladies and gentlemen, there simply is no such thing as legitimate "wealth building" information being diseminated to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Like the rest of you, my wife and I fell victim to the scum from John Beck. My wife is Tracy who posted some messages a little over 6 months ago. I just wanted to follow up.. we were the lucky recipients of letter from the fine upstanding firm of Bennett and Deloney. I have to say, I monitor this forum regularly and I can't believe those pigs from Beck are still getting away with this. But I have to realize, folks just don't know and by the time they find out, it's too late. Frankly, I'm sick of it. I haven't been one to speak here before but, I've seen a lot of talk about suing... I think it's time. I'm sick of these people.. The Becks, the Mentoring of America.. the EPNs and now, Bozo and Baloney( no offense meant to Bozo the clown or the meat!) When I started looking up info on the latest idiots, I couldn't believe it. Another fine group of folks associated with John Beck! Anyway, we are going to meet with lawyers tomorrow. Maybe we can get something started.

Reid, you have been the biggest advocate here and I just wanted to tell you how much my wife and I appreciate you keeping this going and attempting to let others know. Don't stop until these con artists, low life, lying scum bags are off the air and hopefully, in jail where they belong. I'll keep you informed and let you know the outcome of my meeting with our lawyers tomorrow. Take care!

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

9/19/2005 -10:13 AM- Went down to the Post Office and mailed my response letter to this so called collection agency, that is now attempting to collect on this so called debt, which could not be substantiated in an unbiased credit card dispute.

9/20/2005 -2:05 PM- Inbreed by the name of Courtney Keller from the fraudulent Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney have signed my registered/certified mail slip.

10/4/2005 -10:45 PM- I wonder what's taking the Law Offices Of Bennet & Deloney so long to obtain verification of this non-existent debt? Ooops I forgot, the fraudulent Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney are only PURCHASERS of unverified debts.

These inbreeds PURCHASE unverified/non-existent debts in bulk and at wholesale prices in hopes to use their positions as "attorneys" to "make something happen" with them.

Too bad their reputation of being inbreeds and bottom feeding losers are posted all over the internet, along with their involvement in the infamous "bounced check" scam. I don't think too many people will take these clowns seriously.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

9/19/2005 -10:13 AM- Went down to the Post Office and mailed my response letter to this so called collection agency, that is now attempting to collect on this so called debt, which could not be substantiated in an unbiased credit card dispute.

9/20/2005 -2:05 PM- Inbreed by the name of Courtney Keller from the fraudulent Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney have signed my registered/certified mail slip.

10/4/2005 -10:45 PM- I wonder what's taking the Law Offices Of Bennet & Deloney so long to obtain verification of this non-existent debt? Ooops I forgot, the fraudulent Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney are only PURCHASERS of unverified debts.

These inbreeds PURCHASE unverified/non-existent debts in bulk and at wholesale prices in hopes to use their positions as "attorneys" to "make something happen" with them.

Too bad their reputation of being inbreeds and bottom feeding losers are posted all over the internet, along with their involvement in the infamous "bounced check" scam. I don't think too many people will take these clowns seriously.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

9/19/2005 -10:13 AM- Went down to the Post Office and mailed my response letter to this so called collection agency, that is now attempting to collect on this so called debt, which could not be substantiated in an unbiased credit card dispute.

9/20/2005 -2:05 PM- Inbreed by the name of Courtney Keller from the fraudulent Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney have signed my registered/certified mail slip.

10/4/2005 -10:45 PM- I wonder what's taking the Law Offices Of Bennet & Deloney so long to obtain verification of this non-existent debt? Ooops I forgot, the fraudulent Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney are only PURCHASERS of unverified debts.

These inbreeds PURCHASE unverified/non-existent debts in bulk and at wholesale prices in hopes to use their positions as "attorneys" to "make something happen" with them.

Too bad their reputation of being inbreeds and bottom feeding losers are posted all over the internet, along with their involvement in the infamous "bounced check" scam. I don't think too many people will take these clowns seriously.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

John Beck presently has 72 complaints on the Rip Off Report alone displaying in the public eye a pattern of unresolved complaints and also a pattern of complaints in which the company did not provide substantive responses.

This is exactly what the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute does in their many victims credit card disputes as well. They ignore the dispute and pray they win a favorable decision on some kind of loophole or technicality.

If they are unsuccessful in doing so, they later sell their many unsuccessful/unverified, non-existent debts to fraudulent collection agencies (scum sucking, bottom feeding leeches) in bulk and for enormous discounts.

I guess EPN had very little success on collecting on these non-existent debts, so "product of incest" John Beck decided to turn to a company that he felt would be a little more intimidating to the many victims of his scam. Oooooh, scared of the law offices of Bennet & Deloney! LOL.

These are the b*****d inbreeds responsible for perpetuating the bounced check scam. YES IT WAS A SCAM!

Until next time take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

John Beck presently has 72 complaints on the Rip Off Report alone displaying in the public eye a pattern of unresolved complaints and also a pattern of complaints in which the company did not provide substantive responses.

This is exactly what the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute does in their many victims credit card disputes as well. They ignore the dispute and pray they win a favorable decision on some kind of loophole or technicality.

If they are unsuccessful in doing so, they later sell their many unsuccessful/unverified, non-existent debts to fraudulent collection agencies (scum sucking, bottom feeding leeches) in bulk and for enormous discounts.

I guess EPN had very little success on collecting on these non-existent debts, so "product of incest" John Beck decided to turn to a company that he felt would be a little more intimidating to the many victims of his scam. Oooooh, scared of the law offices of Bennet & Deloney! LOL.

These are the b*****d inbreeds responsible for perpetuating the bounced check scam. YES IT WAS A SCAM!

Until next time take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

John Beck presently has 72 complaints on the Rip Off Report alone displaying in the public eye a pattern of unresolved complaints and also a pattern of complaints in which the company did not provide substantive responses.

This is exactly what the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute does in their many victims credit card disputes as well. They ignore the dispute and pray they win a favorable decision on some kind of loophole or technicality.

If they are unsuccessful in doing so, they later sell their many unsuccessful/unverified, non-existent debts to fraudulent collection agencies (scum sucking, bottom feeding leeches) in bulk and for enormous discounts.

I guess EPN had very little success on collecting on these non-existent debts, so "product of incest" John Beck decided to turn to a company that he felt would be a little more intimidating to the many victims of his scam. Oooooh, scared of the law offices of Bennet & Deloney! LOL.

These are the b*****d inbreeds responsible for perpetuating the bounced check scam. YES IT WAS A SCAM!

Until next time take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

John Beck presently has 72 complaints on the Rip Off Report alone displaying in the public eye a pattern of unresolved complaints and also a pattern of complaints in which the company did not provide substantive responses.

This is exactly what the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute does in their many victims credit card disputes as well. They ignore the dispute and pray they win a favorable decision on some kind of loophole or technicality.

If they are unsuccessful in doing so, they later sell their many unsuccessful/unverified, non-existent debts to fraudulent collection agencies (scum sucking, bottom feeding leeches) in bulk and for enormous discounts.

I guess EPN had very little success on collecting on these non-existent debts, so "product of incest" John Beck decided to turn to a company that he felt would be a little more intimidating to the many victims of his scam. Oooooh, scared of the law offices of Bennet & Deloney! LOL.

These are the b*****d inbreeds responsible for perpetuating the bounced check scam. YES IT WAS A SCAM!

Until next time take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

10/3/2005- What's taking the fraudulent Law Offices of Bennett and Deloney so long to furnish PROOF of my so called debt to inbreed Beck???

WARNING: If you were victimized by inbreed Beck, or one of the many other "m^ther f^ckers" peddling fraudulent "wealth building" programs and later receive a letter from any "collection" agency, DO NOT send them any money.

Demand that the collection agency send you a copy of the so called debt instead. Hand write a simple letter stating "I am disputing this debt" and sign it. Keep your letter simple as to not waste any time with these fools that PURCHASE non-existent debts in hopes to "make something happen" with them.

If these bums can't prove what they say then file complaints with your state Attorney General and the Federal Trade Commission. Turn the tables on these inbreeds.

You ask the questions, don't answer theirs. You make the demands, acknowledge but neither accept nor refuse theirs. They made the claim, let them be the ones to PROVE it in writing. Conduct all correspondence by CRRS mail to let let know you're no easy target for their extortion attempts.

DO NOT accept anything, written contract, verbal contract, etc, etc, that were literally of no use to inbreed Beck in the credit card dispute to be used as verification for the so called debt.

These lice generally like to infest the scalps of easy marks, not fighters who ask the right questions and smash back with the truth, complaints to state and federal agencies, and other legal means of attack.

Bennett & Deloney were directly involved in the "bounced check" scam a while ago and from the sound of it continue to engage in fraudulent activities today.

Bennett & Deloney are only two of an infestation of bottom feeding maggots that PURCHASE non-existent debts in bulk and at enormous discounts in hopes to intimidate a few victims into paying the unverified debt.

Help put a stop to Bennett & Deloney's new scam which is the collection of unverified debts.

Until next time take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Paul,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

PAUL: My father should receive full refund (reversal of charge) for the $6500.00, and alreay has received about $40.00 refund of the original approx $62.00 package (that was opened, then returned). Bank of America (BofA), Dispute Dept. recognizes John Beck. As I understand, they have had several disputes with them.

REID: Hopefully within the next century or so, Bank of America, along with all the other credit card institutions will get smart and start stripping fraudulent businesses like "product of incest" John Beck's of their merchant accounts. Better yet, get smart and stop authorizing fraudulent charges which they're already aware of.

PAUL: I sent the Refund Agreement from John Beck by certified mail, signature required and returned materials UPS, signature required. I tried to FAX John Beck, but the fax number failed. Apparently you have to talk to a "customer service" rep. to get them to turn on the fax. BofA wanted copies of all documentation so they could counter any claims from John Beck.

REID: Don't be surprises Paul, if this non-existent debt is later purchased by one of the many bottom feeding collection agencies.

PAUL: So, If you see no more rebuttals from me, my father received his refund. BofA says my father's credit card should be credited within a week to 30 days.

REID: Congrats! Your father is lucky to have had someone like yourself. The John Beck inbreed team would have absolutely no problem ripping off the elderly.

PAUL: I believe it is surely staggering how many people fail to push for a refund. How could it be accounted? The people who originally believe John Beck's claims are probably too embarrassed and shy to get their refund. John Beck continues with this scam simply by lack of resistance.

REID: Many people do not yet own computers.

PAUL: John Beck knows all the tricks, and their timing is perfect. After you sign for the materials, your credit card will be charged. If you wait beyond 60 days after the original charge, your money might be lost to them. 'Just words of warning if you are not pushing for your refund. John Beck wants you to wait until it's too late.

REID: John Beck is an unscrupulous c**k. He uses his meaningless title as "attorney" to gain trust from unsuspecting victims, regardless of the cost.

PAUL: I talked with the FBI and local police who both explained that this cannot be charged as criminal, but obviously is a scam. You are right, conventional methods are difficult against this scam. People simply must be educated and, if fooled, then demand their refund with the proper documentation.

REID: It doesn't surprise me, that law enforcement agencies have explained to you that this "cannot be charged as criminal", when they would not hesitate for a second to arrest a little child for stealing candy. YEEEEEAH!!! It's nice knowing our government has their priorities straight.

I am so ashamed of myself. I always thought of harrassment, fraud and extortion as being crimes. Well at least worst than little children shoplifting candy.

PAUL: Perhaps it's good that scams like John Beck exist, just to exercise our discernment and resilience. (Kidding)

REID: It's good that scams like inbreed Beck's exist, just to excercise ones leg when they kick his a$$. (Not kidding)

Until next time, take care Paul cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

My father should receive full refund (reversal of charge) for the $6500.00, and alreay has received about $40.00 refund of the original approx $62.00 package (that was opened, then returned). Bank of America (BofA), Dispute Dept. recognizes John Beck. As I understand, they have had several disputes with them.

I sent the Refund Agreement from John Beck by certified mail, signature required and returned materials UPS, signature required. I tried to FAX John Beck, but the fax number failed. Apparently you have to talk to a "customer service" rep. to get them to turn on the fax. BofA wanted copies of all documentation so they could counter any claims from John Beck.

So, If you see no more rebuttals from me, my father received his refund. BofA says my father's credit card should be credited within a week to 30 days.

I believe it is surely staggering how many people fail to push for a refund. How could it be accounted? The people who originally believe John Beck's claims are probably too embarrassed and shy to get their refund. John Beck continues with this scam simply by lack of resistance.

John Beck knows all the tricks, and their timing is perfect. After you sign for the materials, your credit card will be charged. If you wait beyond 60 days after the original charge, your money might be lost to them. 'Just words of warning if you are not pushing for your refund. John Beck wants you to wait until it's too late.

I talked with the FBI and local police who both explained that this cannot be charged as criminal, but obviously is a scam. You are right, conventional methods are difficult against this scam. People simply must be educated and, if fooled, then demand their refund with the proper documentation.

Perhaps it's good that scams like John Beck exist, just to exercise our discernment and resilience. (Kidding)

Hello Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you well.

THE LAW OFFICES OF BENNETT AND DELONEY: Liars, Genetic Inbreeds, Desperate, Con Men, Bottom Feeders & Thieves:

The Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney are a bunch of bottom feeding debt collectors that are under incredible pressure to produce, because their jobs depend on it.

They are given weekly, monthly quotas to hit or they are gone, fired once again. Most are paid about 20% of what they collect, so the law is secondary to their own needs, hence the abuse they bring upon unsuspecting consumers.

When you place people of desperation in a situation where they have access to your most personal information and turn up the pressure on them, they will do most anything to separate you from your money.

What works for these con artists? They use the standard fare of lies, intimidation, threats and of course, extortion. They always want you to believe the deal MUST be done immediately, that you face grave problems of incalculable magnitude if you fail to comply.

Threats of a lawsuit, incarceration, wage garnishment, exposure, and seizure of assets are what bottom feeders use to extort monies from you.

Reacting to that fear is what keeps these con men in business and your wallet dries up as a result. These are desperate people, their needs are paramount to your rights, they are like drug users in need of a fix, they need it now, at any cost, regardless of the consequences.

The money they bring in makes it all worthwhile. The law allows them access to your credit reports and almost all of your personal information.

Think you can hide behind an unlisted phone number? Think they won't call mom, dad, brother, sister, your ex, think again? How about telling your boss and coworkers you may be arrested? It is being done all day, every day!

These "collectors" engage in sexual relations with their own family members for crying out loud! The hell they wont run a scam. YES, THE LAW OFFICES OF BENNETT & DELONEY WERE THE ONES INVOLVED IN THE "BOUNCED CHECK" SCAM.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Keep on fighting the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Insitute and ALL fraudulent collection agencies that are affiliated with them.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

9/19/2005 -10:13 AM- Went down to the Post Office and mailed my response letter to this so called collection agency, that is now attempting to collect on this so called debt, which could not be substantiated in an unbiased credit card dispute.

9/20/2005 -2:05 PM- Inbreed by the name of Courtney Keller from the fraudulent Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney have signed my registered/certified mail slip.

Yes, this is the same band of loser attorneys that PURCHASE debts that are not valid. Yes, this is the same band of inbreeds that were involved with the "bounced check" collection scam.

Bennett & Deloney can be defeated for an easy and valid reason; they have NO legal claim on you. They PURCHASE debts from creditors or middle-men and are out to make a fast buck.

The contracts from the original sale of these defaulted accounts contained a clause whereby the buyer of them, agreed to NEVER involve the original creditor or their employees in any legal actions resultant from the sale of those accounts.

That is why the purchasers and subsequent owners/collectors of these accounts can NEVER attest in any legal setting to the authenticity of what they plead in court papers.

They hire bargain basement lawyers to file cases in the hopes you will never show up, which gives them a default judgment and a legal right to come after you for a debt you may have never legally owed.

That is why it is so important that anyone dealing with these "products of incest" bottom feeding attorneys take an immediate and aggressive offensive stance in dealing with them.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

9/19/2005 -10:13 AM- Went down to the Post Office and mailed my response letter to this so called collection agency, that is now attempting to collect on this so called debt, which could not be substantiated in an unbiased credit card dispute.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

CHECK THIS OUT: Some Attorney Genereral actually commended Bennet & Deloney for refunding the unlawful fees it collected and its promise of future compliance of West Virgina law. LOL!

More like scam hundreds, or even thousands of victims out of money! Think about how stupid this sounds. "I'm sorry Mr. Johnson, for intentionally gouging your sons eyes out, but I will not charge you for this visit and I promise to comply with the medical procedures in the future."

Where did Bennett & Deloney (m^ther f^ckers) go to law school anyway? The Beavis & Butthead school of law sound right. LOL!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hi Paul. My name is JoAnn. My attorney advised me not to sign the refund agreement as they submitted it. It says that used and opened materials will not receive a refund.

My attorney wrote a letter to them that you may find useful, especially if they send your father to collections.

I will paste it here. I live in Sacramento, not far from you, so please let me know if I can be of any help.

They did send me to collections, but have not yet reported it to the Credit Reporting Agencies, but if they do I will sue them for damages.

They had the nerve to charge me over $7000 for 3 "mentoring calls". The initial charge was $13,960, magically it was the exact amount I had available on the credit card I used to purchase the initial program.

Oh, and don't bother shipping the items back, they will refuse delivery.
Good luck.



June 23, 2005



Mentoring of America, LLC
406 West 5050 North
Provo UT 84604

Re: JoAnn and Roderic County v. Mentoring of America LLC

Dear Mentoring of America:

This office represents Joann and Roderic County concerning their September, 2004 purchase of the Amazing Profits Real Estate Program. Your company is currently trying to collect $7246.31 from the Countys by making debt collection calls (through your related entity EPN) and by threatening to report this amount on the Countys' credit reports. As explained below, the Countys do not owe any amount, and you are not entitled to make any credit reporting as to them.
I have reviewed the history of this transaction, and find your company's conduct to be shockingly fraudulent. The following is a non-exhaustive list of the fraud:
The CD's and books from the Amazing Profits program were useless. The manuals were incomplete, the vast majority of the websites referenced were dead links, and the CD's were merely infomercials.
Mentoring of America promised the Countys that (1) they could not fail because they would be your next infomercial success story, (2) that if they invested 5-10 hours per week they would make their money back in 60-90 days, and (3) that they would make hundreds of thousands of dollars in the foreclosure market. These were false representations designed to induce the Countys to buy more useless products.
Mentoring of America solicited the Countys to use other people's money for a new real estate program by allowing Mentoring of America to charge their credit card $13,960.00. Your company told the Countys that this amount included (1) lifetime tax preparation or advice, anytime of day or night; (2) free creation of an LLC in Nevada with someone there to answer the phones anytime; and (3) a free trip to Las Vegas to see a John Beck seminar, with travel expenses paid. All of these statements were false. Mentoring of America later tried to charge the Countys additional money for every one of the above items.
Mentoring of America quoted a price to my clients of $13,960 and charged that amount on their credit card. Not coincidentally, this was the County's current credit limit at that time. I understand from my investigation that your company has been defrauding many other consumers by charging them depending on their credit limits.
My clients requested a refund, and Mentoring of America ignored their calls and letters. However, once my clients did a chargeback on their credit card, your company sent my clients email confirmation that the entire $13,960 would be refunded. Kindell Graham of your company told the Countys not to worry, that this was a total refund and that they would not be the subject of any debt collection efforts. These representations were also apparently false. As soon as it had promised a refund, in writing, your company refused return of the books and CD's, and assigned the account to your sister company debt collection agency EPN. Ms. Graham started avoiding the Countys' calls, and once when she answered one of those calls, falsely told the Countys that she would fix the mistake. She did not.
EPN is now trying to collect $7246.31 from the Countys, allegedly for the materials they tried to return and four mentoring calls. EPN now maintains that Mentoring of America didn't actually intend to refund anything, and always intended to collect the money from the Countys later. This is outrageous -- Mentoring of America's own email states otherwise. I am also shocked that your company would try to collect the unconscionable amount of $7246.31 for a total of four phone calls lasting 20 minutes each, which constituted little more than walking my clients through a website and having them write down their goals. EPN has also informed my clients that their credit reports are about to be damaged, and that Mentoring of America has instructed it to collect the debt.
In addition to the obvious fraud chronicled above, your company violated California's Home Solicitation Sales Act in wholesale fashion. The Legislature passed the Home Solicitation Sales Act in 1971 in order to protect consumers from the unfair pressures of sales which are consummated in the home. See Civil Code 1689.5 et. seq.; Weatherall Aluminum Products, Co. v. Scott, 71 Cal.App.3d 245, 249 (1977). The Act grants consumers a 3-day right to cancel such transactions. Civil Code 1689.6. The seller must disclose the 3-day right to cancel in writing, directly above the space for the consumer's signature on the contract (Civil Code 1689.7(a)(1)), and must orally disclose the 3-day right to cancel as well. Civil Code 1689.7(f). The seller must also provide a special tear-off cancellation form in duplicate that the buyer may then use to cancel the transaction. Civil Code 1689.7(b).
Your company did none of these things. Therefore, my clients have the right to cancel the transaction at any time. Civil Code 1689.7(g). Upon cancellation, your company had 10 days to refund all payments made under the contract, and had 20 days to pick up its goods. Your company did not refund all the payments, and it failed to accept the returned goods. Accordingly, my clients may keep the goods without any obligation to pay. Civil Code 1689.7(c) and 1689.11.
It makes no difference that your sales force used the telephone to induce the Countys to enter into the agreements, and never came to their home. The Act applies to telephonic transactions where the offer is accepted at home, regardless of who initiates the telephone call. People v. Toomey, (1985) 157 Cal.App.3d 1; Weatherall Aluminum Products v. Scott, (1977) 71 Cal. App.3d 245; Janzen v. Workers' Comp. Appeals Bd, (1997) 68 Cal.Rptr.2d 260, 263; Luskin & Sons, Inc. v. Samovitz, (1985)166 Cal.App.3d 533, 536 (Although the home solicitation statute is commonly thought of as protecting consumers from the high pressures sales tactics of door-to-door solicitors, the clear, unambiguous language of the statute gives it a much broader application).
Pursuant to the Home Soliciation Sales Act, and because of the underlying fraud described above, any transactions between your company and the Countys are entirely void and unenforceable. You are also hereby put on notice that your company violated many provisions of the Consumers Legal Remedies Act at Civil Code 1770(a). The CLRA provides the prevailing consumer with injunctive relief, and attorneys fees. Moreover, you are hereby advised that if you fail to cure your violations of the CLRA within 30 days, the Countys will also be entitled to damages and punitive damages against you.
You have the opportunity to cure your violations by doing the following within 30 days:
1. Agreeing in writing to waive any alleged debt you contend the Countys owe, and recalling your debt collection agency EPN.
2. Agreeing in writing on behalf of Mentoring of America and EPN not to report any tradeline on the Countys credit reports at any time.
3. Ceasing all contact with the Countys, including by EPN.
4. Returning the Countys' payment of $39.95 for the Amazing Profits materials.
If you do not comply with this demand, the Countys will file a lawsuit against your company and EPN for fraud, violations of the Home Solicitation Sales Act, violations of the Rosenthal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, and for damages and punitive damages under the Consumers Legal Remedies Act. The Countys will also consider bringing a class action to set aside all of your transactions in California during the last four years as voidable home solicitation sales, and to force you to return all monies you have obtained in those transactions.
Thank you for your consideration of the above. I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Alexander B. Trueblood

cc: Roderic and JoAnn County

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

PUBLIC NOTICE: DO NOT PAY, or even AGREE TO PAY, ANY collection agency claiming to be affiliated with that of the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute.

ANY and ALL "collection" agencies that attempt to collect on non-existent debts, after merchants have been unable to come forward in open and unbiased credit card deputes and substantiate the debts, are nothing but PURCHASERS of debts.

Chances are, if this non-existent debt ended up in the hands of one of these "collection" agencies, you don't owe it. Trust me, if these debts were genuine and could be verified in court, merchants would be contacting consumers themselves and NOT SELLING them to third party collection agencies at enormous discounts.

DO NOT PAY or even AGREE TO PAY a "debt", before having an Attorney, or even better yet, the Attorney General in your state review the collections notice, regardless of what a collection agency sends as "verification."

Scam collection agencies PURCHASE these non-existent debts at enormous discounts and often in bulk for a variety of reasons, but mainly due to merchants being unable to validate them as being legitimate debts in the first place and desperate bottom feeding attornies just looking to "make something happen" with them.

Never deal with fraudulent third party collection agencies. Make fraudulent businesses like "product of incest" John Beck's come forward and collect their own m^tha f^kin' debts! Excuse the pun.

Ahhhhhhhhhh, so this is how "product of incest" John Beck came up with the names "Amazing Profit's" and "Pennies On The Dollar." "Amazing Profit's" for his fraudulent Real Estate programs and then he sells the non-existent debts to unscrupulous bottom feeding attornies for "Pennies On The Dollar."

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Reid says..... Hold your nose, get ready to wash your hands, the smell from this assortment of wasted law licenses makes a toilet smell like perfume. These are TOXIC WASTE debt collectors, some of the worst in America.

The following individuals are still licensed to practice law in Utah and work under the name of Bennett & DeLoney aka did their own mamas:

Richard H. DeLoney
Michael B. Bennett
Douglas R. Short
Derek J. Barcla
Michael J. Young

These disgusting low life's, give a new meaning to con-men and scum bags. They are the lowest...of the low!! Vultures, con-men, thieves, dirty, disgusting, wasted law licenses, I can't conjure up a phrase that adequately describes the sheer ugliness and disgust of this group of lawless holders of bar cards and law licenses.

DO NOT DEAL WITH THIS LAW FIRM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE! THEY ARE LIARS, CON-MEN, THIEVES!

They were recently fined more than $50,000 by the state of West Virginia for ripping people off on bounced check fees. These losers of law must be smoking crack which fogs their abilities to count from 1-10, because the way they figure a debt is to add on fees that would boggle even the most retarded baboon.

Bennett & DeLoney come across in their letters as nuts and wacko's! They are so far out there that they can't even justify their dealings.

Hi Paul

It certainly apears they would suck the hind tit off a dog if you let them.

I remember reveiwing a lot of leagal code. The interveiwer has to have reason to think it will benifit the reciepiant.

I am not sure what benitfit, this person could belive they would be providing other than a deceptive commissioned sale.

Keep after them Paul.

If It was my father and I lived closer I would sue them in a heart beat.

wishing you the best.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: DO NOT respond to any and all advertisements and or solicitations claiming to be that of "wealth building", whether it be Infomercials, magazine advertisements, newspaper classifieds, free seminars, etc, etc.

There is absolutely no such thing as genuine "wealth building" programs being sold to total strangers, for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible.

Any and all businesses that claim otherwise are bogus. John Beck's Real Estate programs in particular are scams/swindles and it's not just a matter of opinion.

To make maters worst, after a victim of John Beck's fraudulent Real Estate program wins a favorable decision in his/her credit card dispute, due to the fraudulent business being totally unable to come forward and provide evidence to the contrary, they send this non-existent debt to a fraudulent collection agency.

These non-existent debts are later purchased by unscrupulous and fraudulent collection agencies at discounts.

I will keep Everyone posted however, on Bennett and Deloney's every movement in complete detail, thus expose the exact intent/motive of this fraudulent collection agency's practices, including exactly what they are trying to accomplish, strategies involved, what loopholes/technicalities they are seeking to catch victims on, etc, etc.

9/19/2005 -10:13 AM- Went down to the Post Office and mailed my response letter to this so called collection agency, that is now attempting to collect on this so called debt, which could not be substantiated in an unbiased credit card dispute.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Tomorrow I am going to send my letter of dispute to the Law Offices Of Bennett & Deloney. LOL! My letter is hand written and reads " I AM DISPUTING THIS DEBT. SEND ME VERIFICATION OF THIS DEBT. ALSO SEND ME THE NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE ORIGINAL CREDITOR."

Anyone who receives a letter from one of these so called collection agencies should do the same. Many fraudulent businesses like "product of incest" John Beck's sell these non-existant debts to their "colection" agencies at enourmous discounts.

These are non-existent debts in which could not be substantiated in credit card disputes, but fraudulent businesses continue to chase anyhow, seeking to catch their victims on some kind of contract technicality/loophole.

I will keep everyone posted with details on exactly what Bennett & Deloney are trying to accomplish, their motives, tactics, etc, etc, and also on any and all correspondance, since I am fully aware of many attorneys not being interested in conducting business on the up and up.

If we are able to establish the exact intentions of these collection agencies (why they decide to chase non-existent debts & exactly how they go about doing it), it would help many would be victims not fall for fraudulent businesses in the first place.

That's why it's extremely important to keep a public dialog of their actions.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Fyi,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Thank you for the usefull information.

Anyone heard about the woman in Tokyo who went to the authorities because the "hitman" she hired did not carry out the services of an agreed "contract" killing? DUUUUUHR! This is a true story, I $h!t you not.

How does this story relate to the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute and the many other inbreeds purporting to be selling "wealth building" programs you ask? "Help someone, the man's got my crystal meth!"

The moral of this story is, that there is absolutely no such thing as genuine "wealth building" programs being solicited to total strangers, for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible.

Also, there are more organizations involved with these scams (to mislead the public into believing they're legit) than the consumers believe.

1. BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU: Bogus! Not a government agency. Regularly accumulates over 200-250 reports regarding their "PAID" members and does absolutely nothing to change their "standings."

2. FEDERAL TRADES COMMISSION: Like the Better Business Bureau, the FTC only gathers complaints and cannot take action on behalf of individual consumers. Victim counts are typically in the hundreds or even thousands, before any action is taken by the FTC. In other words, way too many victims must be financially wounded before any action is to be engaged by the FTC. The obvious differences between these two organizations howerver, are the FTC is a government agency, do not alter or hide reports, and are not PAID off.

3. FBI, CONSUMER PROTECTION, ATTORNEY GENERAL: Operates much like the FTC. Great for reporting fraud and other possible criminal activities, but way too slow moving.

4. RIP OFF REPORT: Awesome! Do not hide or alter reports in any way, shape or form! Reports are made public! Businesses that feel they've been unfairly reported are given the opportunity to explain their side and are able to do so! Businesses that are undoubtebly fraudulent either do nothing to acknowledge reports on this website, are not willing to engage in open dialog, or attack this website, thus infringe on many consumers right to free speech.

Until next time, take care Fyi cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

FYI

Per their (idiglobal.com)'s own web site, News & Events (TAB),
IDI's news dated 1/20/05:
IDI is in business with --
MENTORING OF AMERICA
IDI's news dated 7/8/04:
IDI is in business with --
NeWave which is OnlineSupplier.com
IDI's news dated 1/21/04:
IDI is in business with --
PCS, Professional Consulting Services,

3 listed (John Beck/Jeff Paul, MENTORING OF AMERICA; OnlineSupplier.com; Professional Consulting Services) all have UNSATISFACTORY BBB rating and have reports filed here on ripoff. The amount of money IDI reports of bringing in, making the requested number of refunds should be NO PROBLEM for them. Go directly to IDI for refund.

Note: Print & maintain copies for your records of all your research. Print all BBB reports, any online articles, photo copy all letters, package covers, print emails, etc. Maintain good records of dates & people you talked to. That way you can reference it when needed as the BBB's can change/add information, that way you can track new info that may be helpful.

I read one thread where some */?#@ mentioned that it had to be legit or it wouldn't be advertised on TV. Stations will take anyone's money for advertisement, that is why they place the disclaimers usually before & after the informercial.

I'm so sorry this happened to your 91 year old father. He is so very blessed to have you. Just think of the millions of elderly who don't have a son, daughter or friend to help them get out of this and get their money back. Thank you for filing your report here, continue to gather all info and file as many reports as possible with Utah & CA BBB's, Attorney General's, FTC, IFTC, etc. Everyone should go to their email and send out email to everyone in their address book to check out www.ripoffreport.com before they purchase any infomercial, e-book, or even local store products. Also, go to www.donotcall.gov and get your father's phone number on the do not call list.

Check online with your Attorney General's office, some states require businesses to be registered with the state BEFORE they can do business within the state, that includes telemarketing businesses.

Hey there Tim, Paul and Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

PAUL: I appreciate your comments. Other entries on the site have been helpful. Some of my actions follow, in case anyone wants to provide free legal advice.

We have been promised a refund, according to a fax from Mentoring of America (John Beck's Amazing Profits). My father (not grandfater) is required to sign and return a "Refund Agreement" as follows. I have returned packages unopened. I told my father not to sign for anything delivered from them. He has not received any more calls or packages since my contact with them.

REID: Yes, it's very important that your father or anyone else for that matter, NOT sign ANYTHING from this fraudulent company.

The John Beck Mentoring Inbreeds KNOW that their contract is bogus, and that's the reason why they do absolutely nothing to correct it.

PAUL: --- Text from Refund Agreement from John Beck: Mentoring of America, LLC has authorized a refund in the amount of $6500.00. We will be withholding $0.00 from your initial investment to cover shipping, handling, administrative fees, and services. Mentoring of America will not issue a refund without the return of all products. The materials need to be sent to:

Mentoring of America, LLC
ATTN: Fulfillment Department
RMA ...
7030 Hayvenhurst
Van Nuys, Ca, 91406

Used or opened materials are non-refundable. Upon receipt of our unopened materials. and this signed agreement, your refund will be submitted. A credit to your Visa account could take one to two billing cycles. By issuing this refund, Mentoring of America is in no way stating that these monies are not owed nor that the services were not rendered as promised.

The terms in this document will become binding when this document contains both signatures and by signing, both parties agree to the term's within. Any changes to this form, render it null and void.

REID: By issuing this refund, Mentoring of America is in no way stating that these monies are not owed nor that the services were not rendered as promised????? ROFALMAO! These inbreeds are so dumb it's irritating.

Issuing someone a refund "clearly states" that monies ARE NOT owed and that services WERE NOT rendered as promised.

Any Legitimate business WOULD NEVER have agreed to issue a refund if they knew they were in the right. Any Legitimate business would also correct all problems which interrupted the flow of their business ie; contract.

Even if Mentoring Of America did not issue your father a refund they would not have rendered the services of the agreement, because they're program is scam. They're contracts are bogus and that is why they have never made any changes to it.

PAUL: I'm not an attorney, but it appears that the sentence including "Mentoring of America is in no way stating..." has no obligation to me, but I want to be sure that it does not prevent my dispute of their services in the future. The Bank of America fraud dept. tells me that we should sign an agreement, but the refund might take 30-60 days ("one to two billing cycles"). I will initiate dispute if the refund does not come within 30 days. I have 60 days to dispute the charge and BofA asked that I wait.

-- An excerpt of the letter I faxed to them before receiving this "Refund Agreement" follows:
We talked yesterday regarding my father, ..., I faxed you my Power of Attorney for ... You told me that you received the Power of Attorney. ...

Please execute FULL and IMMEDIATE RETURN of ANY and ALL CHARGES to ... credit card .... I am returning all materials received by ....

Please return authorization numbers for refund and withdraw any past and future authorizations.

RETURN YOUR ANSWER BY FAX OR EMAIL to .... DO NOT CALL ME OR ....
---

When "John Beck, Senior" called me (yes, maybe he is a clone), he said he did not feel good about my father. I stopped him from going further and only asked when the credit card would be cancelled. I believe he (from discussions he had with my father) wanted to scam myself and my son in place of my father. Their attempted deception is sickening.

Thanks again for your site. And Aloha and God bless (my wife and I lived in Hawaii for two years).

REID: Hawaii is such a beautiful place. You should consider moving out here Paul. There are no inbreeds like John Beck, String Bean Ravioli, Donkey Lapre, Tom "asian baboon" Vu, etc, etc, because the island of Oahu is a small place... and someone will take the short drive to get their money back if it meant breaking an inbreeds neck.

Like everywhere else, we have our share of crazy f^cks that are willling to kill their neighbor over a can of beer, a joint, etc, etc. These crazy f^cks should instead shift their focus on inbreeds that are trying to swindle thousands from them.

DISCLAIMER: I am in no way promoting violence, but rather attempting to shift the mindsets of our crazy brothers and sisters, by demonstrating that it makes more sense to injure someone trying to swindle thousands from someone, than it does to injure someone over something ridiculous.

The poster of this rebuttal bares absolutely no responsibilty for the actions of ANY other
person(s). Mame, injure, cripple or kill at your own risk.

In case anyone is interested in running a fraudulent businesses out here (call center, boiler room operation, etc, etc), I'd be more than happy to suggest some ideal locations to him/her for a small fee. LOL!

Until next time, take care Tim, Paul and Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Ried: I appreciate your comments. Other entries on the site have been helpful. Some of my actions follow, in case anyone wants to provide free legal advice.

We have been promised a refund, according to a fax from Mentoring of America (John Beck's Amazing Profits). My father (not grandfater) is required to sign and return a "Refund Agreement" as follows. I have returned packages unopened. I told my father not to sign for anything delivered from them. He has not received any more calls or packages since my contact with them.

--- Text from Refund Agreement from John Beck:
Mentoring of America, LLC has authorized a refund in the amount of $6500.00. We will be withholding $0.00 from your initial investment to cover shipping, handling, administrative fees, and services. Mentoring of America will not issue a refund without the return of all products. The materials need to be sent to:

Mentoring of America, LLC
ATTN: Fulfillment Department
RMA ...
7030 Hayvenhurst
Van Nuys, Ca, 91406

Used or opened materials are non-refundable. Upon receipt of our unopened materials. and this signed agreement, your refund will be submitted. A credit to your Visa account could take one to two billing cycles. By issuing this refund, Mentoring of America is in no way stating that these monies are not owed nor that the services were not rendered as promised.

The terms in this document will become binding when this document contains both signatures and by signing, both parties agree to the term's within. Any changes to this form, render it null and void.
---

I'm not an attorney, but it appears that the sentence including "Mentoring of America is in no way stating..." has no obligation to me, but I want to be sure that it does not prevent my dispute of their services in the future. The Bank of America fraud dept. tells me that we should sign an agreement, but the refund might take 30-60 days ("one to two billing cycles"). I will initiate dispute if the refund does not come within 30 days. I have 60 days to dispute the charge and BofA asked that I wait.

-- An excerpt of the letter I faxed to them before receiving this "Refund Agreement" follows:
We talked yesterday regarding my father, ..., I faxed you my Power of Attorney for ... You told me that you received the Power of Attorney. ...

Please execute FULL and IMMEDIATE RETURN of ANY and ALL CHARGES to ... credit card .... I am returning all materials received by ....

Please return authorization numbers for refund and withdraw any past and future authorizations.

RETURN YOUR ANSWER BY FAX OR EMAIL to .... DO NOT CALL ME OR ....
---

When "John Beck, Senior" called me (yes, maybe he is a clone), he said he did not feel good about my father. I stopped him from going further and only asked when the credit card would be cancelled. I believe he (from discussions he had with my father) wanted to scam myself and my son in place of my father. Their attempted deception is sickening.

Thanks again for your site. And Aloha and God bless (my wife and I lived in Hawaii for two years).

If the credit card dispute doesn't work out, or if it does but JB then sends your father to collections, I have another route for you:

Your father is probably, in the eyes of the law, incompetent to enter into contracts. As such, any contract that he enters into may be "voidable." Every sale involves a contract, whether you realize it or not. You may be able to find some legal recourse that way.

At any rate, best of luck. Keep us updated.

Aloha Reid!

Hey there Paul,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

PAUL: My father is 91 and hard of hearing. He was persuaded by the TV ads and called "John Beck's Amazing Profits". Subsequently he was called repeatedly. He finnally approved a transaction of about $6500.00.

REID: I am really sorry to hear about your grandfather. Report this to the FBI immediately.

It don't matter if the John Beck Mentoring Institute hires only employees that are results of two closely related individuals having engaged in sexual intercourse. Even genetic inbreeds should know that John Beck's fraudulent program is of no use to a 91 year old.

PAUL: I have cancelled his credit card. (I have Power of Attorney for him.) John Beck's Amazing Profits promises a full return, but their tactics are unreliable, requiring a signature of a "refund agreement" and claimng that "another department" handles cancellation of funds.

REID: To say that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute's tactics are unreliable is an understatement. The word "unreliable" suggests, that their company and program are possibly legitimate. There is absolutely nothing legitimate about the John Beck Mentoring Insitutute.

As a matter of fact, all Infomercial "wealth building" programs are bogus. Scam companies hide their money offshore. Scam companies f^ck enough people to where it's worth their while to take the risk of perpetuating their scams.

In other words, the rewards generally outweigh the risks. Bogus programs often sound good theoretically and that's why so many people take the bait.

Just know that there is absolutely no such thing as legitimate "wealth building" programs being sold anywhere in the United States, to total strangers, for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible, as any such programs would be losing propositions mathematically, for any and all businesses that claim otherwise.

PAUL: I am actively seeking a dispute with the credit card. It has a pending charge that has not been processed, but I assume it will be processed, since my father also signed for materials received, which I am returning promptly.

REID: Expect this dispute to be dragged out unecessarily for a prolonged period, as the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute will continuously submit items on their behalf, which have nothing to do with the reason for your dispute.

PAUL: I talked only briefly with a "customer support" person, and John Beck, Senior called me. (If you believe that, you deserve to sign up for this.) Say nothing to them and follow good legal advice in communicating with them for refund or cancellation of charges.

REID: Is John Beck still alive? He looked to be in his seventies, back in the seventies, when his fraudulent Infomercial had been shot.

PAUL: My opinion is that they are experts at sounding (and may even have convinced themselves that) they are legitimate. They will try to make you feel quilty as though they are not really that bad. They convinced my elderly father that they could help him make great money with their scam.

REID: I have discovered through my years of research, that inbreeds are born with no conscience and therefor, are able to con anyone with no guilt. Even 91 year olds aren't safe from inbreeds.

PAUL: I will pursue all avenues available to expose them and to report them to legal authority. No legitimate TV station should broadcast their advertisement. They tried to prey on my 91 year-old father.

REID: All Infomercial products are crap to begin with. I have worked for one of the nations leading retailers and believe me, I have seen just about every single infomercial product out there eventually end up on our shelves.

There is a good reason why these companies have to "PAY BIG MONEY" for "LENGHTHLY" commercials and it's not because of what these companies want consumers to believe.

It's because Infomercial products and services are just gimmicks, that have no place in conventional retail stores. This is also the reason why Infomercial products have their own stores.

Interested in cleaning with the power of citrus anyone? How's about a f^ck!ng robot vacuum cleaner? Steam clean your toilet and your kitchen counter top immediately thereafter!

My point is, all advertisements are PAID for and literally says, means, or proves nothing about a product or service. Any TV station would advertise a fraudulent program, so long as the money makes sense to them.

All they're required to do is flash a disclaimer that reads "this is a paid advertisement and does not reflect the views of this station" or whatever bull$h!t.

What they really mean to say is "we have been paid an undisclosed amount to allow this fraudulent company to advertise what we already know to be a scam."

Until next time, take care Paul cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.