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Complaint Review: SurePayroll - Glenview Illinois

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  • SurePayroll 2350 Ravine Way Glenview, Illinois United States of America

SurePayroll Cynthia Brown Sent a sneaky disguised e-mail to tell me they were drafting my account and then charged me $650! Glenview, Illinois *EDitor's Suggestions on how to get your money back into your bank account when someone wrongfully takes it from you!

*Author of original report: Information for Mr. Brandt

*UPDATE Employee: Some information

*Author of original report: Update on the earlier post

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We started using this awful company in November to process our payroll.  After the first pay date, they sent an e-mail under a generic 'Customer Service' sender name to tell me they would be drafting my account for some ancillary processing.  Of course that e-mail ended up in a spam folder!  There was nothing in the sender name or on the description line to indicate it was coming from SurePayroll.  There was no request for confirmation, nothing to ensure that their post had been received.

When they drafted my Payroll account,  the funds had not been transferred in for them to take.  Of course the funds hadn't been transferred!  I had no idea they were planning to take funds!  They charged me $250 for the overdraft!!!!!  That they caused!!  And, because they sent the account negative, the next day's payroll processing was also insufficient -- I had transferred exactly the amount required for payroll since I still didn't know that they were attempting to draft from my account.  For this overdraft, they charged $400!!! 

When I called this to their attention, they wouldn't adjust off even half of the fees.  They had no idea why they had tried to draft my account the first time and had to research it themselves.  They refuse to return phone calls or emails.  I am forced to pay their outrageous fees; they are holding my W-2's hostage.  Of course I have found a different payroll company and even they are baffled at the unprofessional business practices of SurePayroll and in particular Cynthia Brown.

DO NOT hire this company for any reason.  You are better off paying a higher monthly fee to another company and not feel ripped off by a bunch of slimy conniving liars.


EDitor's Suggestions on how to get your money back!


HERE IS WHAT RIP-OFF REPORT SUGGESTS YOU DO:

Go to your bank within 60 days of the charge, or as soon as you know about the charge, don't delay, and tell them that there has been fraudulent activity within your account. Explain that you wish to file a dispute, and demand that they assist you in accordance with Federal Regulation E.

According to the majority of victims interviewed by Rip-off Report, those who immediately called their banks to dispute the charges did not get very far. Many victims got the following responses from their banks: we could not do anything for you or you waited too long; it has been more than 60 days.

If the bank is says that you have waited too long, explain to them how you called their 800 number as soon as the charges were found, and were told by the bank that nothing could be done. Remind the bank that they failed to assist you properly at the 800 #, and instead, provided you with an inadequate explanation of your right to dispute. Tell the bank that it's their fault time has expired, and since they gave you the wrong info to begin with, they will just have to deal with it, take the loss and reverse the charges.

Tell them the truth; this was unauthorized and your account was NOT to be charged! Keep emphasizing how you never authorized anything! Direct them to the hundreds of victims reports that were filed on Rip-off Report.com. And if you're at the bank, walk them over to their computer and make them go to this site! If you are on the phone with them, tell them you will wait while they access this site! Either way, be persistent!

DO NOT TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER!

Let them know nicely, that you were advised to Report them (the Bank) and this situation to the Banking Commission in your state. Since each state has a different name for the agency/controller over banks, find that name before you call or get to the bank so you can throw it in their face. The more knowledgeable you appear to be, the further you will get.

And just continue to demand the Federal Regulation E form! The bank CAN, MUST and WILL reverse the charge! But, you must be persistent; ask to speak to the supervisor or the area manager for all the branches in the state.

Let the bank personnel know you are meeting with the media later in the day, that you would much rather they do the right thing (as most other banks have) by looking at the complaints and immediately reversing the charge(s) to your account; no matter how long ago it was. Be sure to call the Media if necessary so you are telling the truth.

If you have to, be loud (but nice) in front of other customers. If you are just calling by phone, the above tactics should still work. The bank can easily fax or mail to you the Federal Regulation E dispute form.

CHARGES TO YOUR CREDIT CARD

If the charge was to your credit card (not debit card, check card, or checking account), contact the credit card company as soon as possible to request a dispute form. Consumers usually have a little longer to dispute fraudulent credit card charges (up to 6 months), but it is better to act right away. In this type of situation, credit card disputes are usually successful since fraudulent companies often won't contest the disputed charge. In rare cases, credit card companies will review disputes, but refuse to reverse the charges. If this occurs, complain to a manager and let them know you will be filing a report here.

Remember Don't let them get away with it! Make sure they make the Rip-off Report .. The more Reports filed on a Company or individual, the more likely it is that the authorities, media and attorneys will want to take action.

And good luck Let us know how you do!

ED Magedson Founder RipoffReport.com Author of www.ripoffrevenge.com

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#3 Author of original report

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AUTHOR: Annoyed Consumer - (USA)

POSTED: Friday, January 20, 2012

Mr. Brandt,

To clarify this issue, I would like to offer you the following information:

1.  In processing my first payroll with SurePayroll, I mis-entered my transfer into the payroll bank account by 9 cents.  It was my mistake, I did not challenge it with SurePayroll, and I paid dearly for my mistake.  I did not bring this up in my original post on this website because it was outside the scope of my complaint.  I see that you did reference it, which is a further testament to your professionalism.

2.  I am aware that I signed up for an online service and received many emails from SurePayroll to which I responded as necessary.  My issue was with this one specific e-mail that came from a completely different sending address; I have not received any other e-mails from your company from this address either prior to or after this specific one.  I wonder why your company chooses to send such an important email from a completely unique sender.  Specifically, SurePayroll does not request a receipt confirmation nor a response to indicate that this email has been received and that your customer knows that you intend to withdraw funds from their bank account independent from regular payroll processing.  Perhaps if the consequences of missing this e-mail were yours to bear instead of the customer's, you would not take such a cavalier attitude toward it's receipt.

3.  When, on December 30th, I had an enormously frustrating exchange with Cynthia Brown, I finally conceded in order to get my quarterly reports filed and paid and to get my W-2's delivered.  I informed her that I would wire the payroll amount, the year-end processing amount, and the NSF fee, and then I would begin searching for a new payroll company.  I asked if there was anything else I would be charged for.  Wiring funds is not free.  I received no response to this direct question.  Twice.  The only response she had was to have a customer service representative send me a cancellation form.  Ms. Brown clearly did not want us as a customer.

4.  The very next business day, Jan 3rd, I received an email from SurePayroll charging me for the year-end processing again and the associated NSF fee.  In your rebuttal, you state that I was not charged the NSF fee for the year-end work.  It was only by the grace of your customer service representative (Sherry), that this fee was waived.  Cynthia Brown was certainly not willing to even discuss it.  Nor was Laura Paliotte.  I forwarded her the e-mail of 1/3 and asked that she escalate it based on our conversation on 12/30.  I did not even receive a response from her.  Again, poor customer service.

5.  I never once said that SurePayroll did anything fraudulent.  I said that your business practices were sneaky and slimy.  I also have e-mails and documentation to prove all these points.  You can cling to the notion that SurePayroll did nothing wrong -- I only see that you did nothing illegal.  Your business practices were deceptive in this instance, your employees (except Sherry) were horribly callous in dealing with a new customer, and finally, when this complaint reached your desk, you didn't call to ask me what happened -- from a customer perspective; your only response is to claim that you were not fraudulent.   If you'd committed fraud, I'd have filed legal action, not reported you on a public website.  Just because it's legal, Mr. Brandt, does not make it right.

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AUTHOR: SurePayroll - (United States of America)

POSTED: Friday, January 20, 2012

Dear sir/madam,

This company/person ran their first payroll with us in November of 2011 and that payroll was returned for insufficient funds.

We were notified of the return and the client wire transferred the money including the nsf fee.  About one week later, we sent an email to the client with the charges for their W2s and that we would debit the account on about 2 weeks later.  We received notification that the charge was returned for insufficient funds.  We did not charge an nsf fee for the W2 fee.  The client ran their third payroll wand the charge was returned for insufficient funds.  The client then wired the money to our account on for the payroll nsf and W2 nsf.  She called our customer service today and talked with a rep around the time this report was filed. 

Our business has detailed records and proof of what occurred (with specific times, dates, amounts, etc.), and would never, never take a client's funds without permission and authority to do so. In addition, this client signed up for an online service and failed to open our email communications - which was clearly explained as how we communicate with our clients - from the moment we spoke with them.

There was absolutely no fraudulent activity that occurred.

We have a fully staffed customer service team that is always available to speak with clients, as well as return messages when our clients reach out to us. In fact, we spoke with this particular client regarding this incident to explain what had occurred.

The report filed on this site is inaccurate, and if someone from www.ripoffreport.com would like to contact me, I'm happy to share more information. However, we are unable to share any specific information related to this client, as we will always protect our client's confidential information.

I can be reached at 847-676-8420, ext 7280.

Sincerely,
Scott Brandt
Vice President, Marketing
SurePayroll, Inc.

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AUTHOR: Annoyed Consumer - (USA)

POSTED: Thursday, January 19, 2012

I figured I could prepare my own W-2's for less than the $400 fee they were trying to charge, but I needed to be sure they'd filed my 4th quarter reports.  I called customer service and explained the situation to a very nice woman named Sherry.  She understood my frustration, she waived the fees, and released my W2's. 

I'm still not staying with this company, but I feel a little better about my most recent interaction with them. 

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