Cory Fairbanks Mazda ripoff At It Again With Sucker Ads and Fraud Fees With BBB Approval! Longwood Florida

Danny:

Thank you for your insight. No, profit is not evil. This is a democracy, without profit, where would any of us be? No one in their right mind would be against profit, unless he/she is one of the old line communists!

However Danny, when profit comes about as the result of FRAUD or DECEPTION, that's another matter...that's a CRIMINAL matter!

Every car dealer is in business to make a profit. When he doesn't make a profit the business closes down.

Lying about the price of the car is the problem. To advertise what is a "PARTIAL PRICE" and represent that as the full price is DECEPTION.
No matter how anyone tries to justify or explain away the dealer fraud fee con-game, advertising a partial price of the car is the REAL REASON for this so-called "fee". Giving the remainder of the car's price an official sounding name and representing that as some kind of "fee" is a clear and obvious DECEPTION.

The last time I went to McDonalds the advertised price of the McNuggets was what I paid! The last time I went to 711 the price of the pastry was what I paid. Thankfully, most other merchants have much more INTEGRITY to not play this game of FRAUD!

Where do these ideas about buying cars come from? The profit margin on new cars is slim to none. This is another example of a consumer who has convinced himself that the car business is out to get him. There are many reasons a truck could be priced differently at different lots, most likely, different equipment that you didnt notice!!!! There is no "secret" that lets one dealer charge less than another, invoice is invoice. Back up this idea, I would love proof that dealerships pay 20 - 30 percent under what they quote as invoice, get a grip on reality. Again, try to hagle the same way with any other type of business. Do you honestly think a dealership will let you walk out the door without exhausting all efforts to earn your business? I have a great idea for all who think the car business is out to get them, DONT BUY, but wait you will anyway. Even if you were given a price 20 percen under invoice upon walking into a dealership, what would you want? Thats right, more discount and this is how we are programed to buy cars. This isn't the 1950's, there are regulations to protect the consumer, too bad the regulations don't protect the paranoid.

If a person actually believes a dealer pays "invoice", he's even dumber then I thought. What's the actual cost to the dealer, 20 to 30 PERCENT BELOW INVOICE? Don't know, with holdbacks and rebates and all the other funny accounting methods the use. Went to ancira chevy in S.A. They were going to sell me a truck for $200 OVER invoice, $12,325. The next week, benson chevy had the same, exact truck for $10,325. Like I really believed that invoive line of crap. But what the heck, it looks good to some fool customer when he shows him some hooky, make believe invoice. Like they're

Jim,

For as long as cars have been sold car buyers have programed themselves to hagle with the price. This past year with the introduction of employee pricing campaigns, customers started paying "invoice", or what the dealer pays. Deal fees are added for profit, is it wrong for a dealership to be able to make a profit these days? I suggest you go to any department store and offer them "invoice" on any of their products, see what they say. Is it a "scam fee" for there to be a profit when you eat out? Offer a restaurant "invoice on their food products. Perhaps the problem is the way customers have programmed themselves to buy cars, fact is you probally have a car and have paid "scam fees" yourself. A business must make a profit, otherwise they end up like GM, after record sales they are reporting record profit losses because they sold cars at their cost. This information is just common sense that a savy consumer like yourself should know.

Jim,

For as long as cars have been sold car buyers have programed themselves to hagle with the price. This past year with the introduction of employee pricing campaigns, customers started paying "invoice", or what the dealer pays. Deal fees are added for profit, is it wrong for a dealership to be able to make a profit these days? I suggest you go to any department store and offer them "invoice" on any of their products, see what they say. Is it a "scam fee" for there to be a profit when you eat out? Offer a restaurant "invoice on their food products. Perhaps the problem is the way customers have programmed themselves to buy cars, fact is you probally have a car and have paid "scam fees" yourself. A business must make a profit, otherwise they end up like GM, after record sales they are reporting record profit losses because they sold cars at their cost. This information is just common sense that a savy consumer like yourself should know.

Jim,

For as long as cars have been sold car buyers have programed themselves to hagle with the price. This past year with the introduction of employee pricing campaigns, customers started paying "invoice", or what the dealer pays. Deal fees are added for profit, is it wrong for a dealership to be able to make a profit these days? I suggest you go to any department store and offer them "invoice" on any of their products, see what they say. Is it a "scam fee" for there to be a profit when you eat out? Offer a restaurant "invoice on their food products. Perhaps the problem is the way customers have programmed themselves to buy cars, fact is you probally have a car and have paid "scam fees" yourself. A business must make a profit, otherwise they end up like GM, after record sales they are reporting record profit losses because they sold cars at their cost. This information is just common sense that a savy consumer like yourself should know.

Is the "push or pull your trade, and we'll give you $7,000" a scam? Of course it is. But it's no different than having the big giant blow-up gorilla in the parking lot...searchlights....huge tent sale at the local mall...They all accomplish the same thing: they draw buyers.

Ha ha...I saw a 2006 Honda Pilot advertised last week in the Washington Post by a Capital Area Honda Dealer for $199 per month! Wow, what a deal, huh? Hmm...but in the fine print, you'll notice that it only requires a measly $17,500 down...and that was for a 2wd, not a 4wd!

As the old saying goes, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Your trade is worth wholesale to a dealer. Nothing more...although, they sure will try to get it for less if they can. Your "firepower" is to be an calm, polite, and educated consumer. Dealers absolutely HATE that!

When a consumer walks in that is nice and polite, and refuses to get upset, refuses to be "bumped" in price, they just sit there and smile and say "you have my offer, and I'm not budging"....man oh man, they don't like that. But that's your most effective weapon. And if they don't accept your offer, I have a secret for you: There are a TON of other dealers that would just love to have your business.