Complaint Review: Cottman Transmission - Camp Hill Pennsylvania
- Cottman Transmission 3600 Carlisle Pike Camp Hill, Pennsylvania U.S.A.
- Phone: 717-763-1351
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- Category: Auto Repair Service
Cottman Transmission - AAMCO Ripoff Dishonest Deceptive Devious Damaged vehicle to unsafe condition Did not relate damage Will not pay to fix Shoddy workmanship Camp Hill Pennsylvania
*Author of original report: I would never trust my car to any Cottman facility
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Center Response
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Around the end of September of 2006 I took my car, a 1996 Mazda Miata, to this Transmission facility in Camp Hill for service. I had many negative issues with this experience, but that is not relevant to this particular issue. They did the final check on the car around December 20 and I drove the car home (to Ohio). I made it 200 miles to around Wheeling West Virginia when the engine started spontaneously quitting. It was 6 pm and too late to take it anywhere, so I had to check into a motel (something I never do on this trip).
The next morning, I had the car towed to a local Nissan dealership (it used to be Mazda also according to the tow truck driver). I had no appointment but they took pity on me and looked at the car first thing. They immediately found that the battery cable/wiring harness (the battery on a Miata is in the trunk - the engine is in the front), had been misrouted and had been worn away by the drive shaft. They said that the car was actually sparking and arcing as it was lifted on the hoist. They also said I was lucky that the car had not caught on fire - especially frightening since I had gassed up twice during the trip. They said they could patch it so I could make it the rest of the way home. But then they later came out and said they found additional problems.
In order to work on a transmission on this car, you must loosen or remove a chassis structural component called a Power Plant Frame. It is sort of an I-beam that connects the transmission to the differential so that the car will be structurally solid. It is held on by 4 large bolts. On my car, the Nissan technicians discovered that two of these bolts had had the threads stripped and a third had been altered or replaced in some way. Apparently this PPF was being held on by only one of the original bolts as designed by the manufacturer. I can only assume that the Transmission technicians did this damage, since no "under car" work had ever been performed before they worked on it. And even if they did not do the damage, they certainly had a professional and moral obligation to tell the owner about the damage - which they did not. The Nissan technicians patched both problems so that I could drive it the remaining 200 miles home which I did. Here is link to a picture of what the PPF looks like so that you can see it is a "non-trivial" component of the car.
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picture of the stripped bolts are at:
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I informed the president of the Transmission Franchise in Camp Hill, about the problems and after a month of calling him, he finally agreed to pay for the repair at the Nissan Facility (about $157) which he did, but he refused to pay for the towing or motel - his excuse for not paying was unclear. Furthermore, he said he would not pay for the repair of the Power Plant Frame but would look at it and evaluate it in his own facility in Camp Hill. Of course the car was still in Ohio. I called the Nissan dealership, and they remembered me and my plight and I asked them if they thought I could drive the car 430 miles to Mechanicsburg. They said I should definitely not drive the car any if at all. The president said that any work on the car would have to be done by his facility. He said he would tow the car to his shop if it broke down while I was driving here. So, apparently, he expected me to drive an unsafe vehicle, 430 miles, and if it were to break down, I would sit along the interstate for hours waiting for his tow truck in January weather. Of course, in the event I had an accident on the way, any damage would have been worse because of the imperfect condition of the car. I heard nothing further from him, but I was now a month without the use of this car, so I took it to my local Mazda dealer who repaired the PPF at a cost approaching $900. I had decided not to put a "proper" fix on the wiring harness yet since I was thinking of getting rid of the car. I now realize I would have to disclose any problems to a potential buyer, so I will also have to have that wiring harness completely replaced - otherwise no one will want to give full value for the car. I need to sell the car to repay the transmission repair costs (over $3,000) and this PPF repair bill. As I said, he (the president) has refused to pay for these repairs, saying that I was obligated to bring it to him. While it might be true that I was obligated to bring it to him for WARRANTY TRANSMISSION work, these are not WARRANTY TRANSMISSION problems. They are damages done to other components during fixing the transmission.
I will refuse to allow this Transmission facility to work on the car for reasons not iterated in this document, but alluded to in the second sentence of paragraph two.
I am working with the local Chamber of Commerce to mediate a settlement of this matter and failing that I will go to the Better Business Bureau and the PA Attorney Generals office of Consumer Affairs, but in the mean time, I think it is prudent to make it public that this facility released a vehicle back to the owner in a damaged and unsafe condition without notifying the owner that any damage had taken place. It is especially unsettling to note that this damage to the Power Plant Frame would never have been known or discovered if they had not misrouted the battery cable. Any subsequent accident caused by the loose PPF or any additional damage, injury or deaths caused by this would never have been known
.
I have also files reports with the NTSB and the FTC, although, since these are large government organizations, I do not expect any real action from them.
Roger
Enon, Ohio
U.S.A.
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#2 Author of original report
I would never trust my car to any Cottman facility
AUTHOR: Roger - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, May 05, 2007
This Cottman response is actually quite telling because it addresses none of the real issues that need resolution. My claim is that they are deceptive, devious, and dishonest, they do shoddy work and their customer service is well non-existent.
1) They are deceptive: they returned my car to me knowing that it was unsafe because they had stripped the power plant frame bolts. I repeat they put me and my wife in an unsafe vehicle.
2) They are devious: They are trying to claim they did not do this damage.
3) They are dishonest: They claimed extensive work was necessary on a vehicle when the local dealership told me there was absolutely nothing wrong with the vehicle (different vehicle happened prior to the full happening of this incident).
4) They do shoddy work: They did not fix the transmission correctly the first or second time and it still not %100 correct. They did not put the car back together correctly and they damaged the car and did not inform me.
5) Customer service is bad: While they had my car they never called me with updates, they always had the car longer than they initially promised and they have never attempted to resolve this issue even though they know they had to have caused all these problems. And as I said, I tried to work thru their corporate customer relations department which was a joke.
Note that the Cottman response does not even deny any of my allegations. They simply gave some lame suggestions for me to act on.
It is true that they reimbursed me $168 for the minor repair at the Nissan Dealership, but the actual repairs for what Cottman damaged are well in excess of $2,000, not counting the fact that I could not use the car they damaged while waiting for some resolution and not counting the towing and motel fees for which they are directly responsible.
It is true that the Dealer said the vehicle should not be driven until permanent repairs are made. Realistically, what else would a responsible repair facility say? They knew it was not 100% safe, but they also knew it was good enough to get me home. To have said anything else would have been irresponsible and they might become liable for litigation if something had happened. They also knew it was two days before Christmas, and I was on my way home with a car full of gifts and they knew they could not get the parts to fix it correctly in one day. Yes, they knew their repair was not completely satisfactory they knew that the entire wiring harness as well as the PPF and bolts needed to be replaced. And yes, it was certainly my choice to drive the 200 miles home the day was clear, the roads were dry and I was careful. But honestly, in retrospect, I should never have driven the car home. If I had really understood how dangerous the car was, I would never have driven it.
Now let me address the second paragraph of the Cottman reply in which he says he offered to tow the vehicle from any breakdown point to his center. This offer is so ludicrous that I should not dignify it with a response, but, since he brought it up I will relate why it is so ridiculous.
First, you need to recognize that he was asking us to drive an unsafe vehicle for 430 miles. You see, without the PPF bolted up properly, any accident that might happen, would have been worsened by some unknown factor. As I said before, you have to realize that the PPF is essentially a four foot long I-beam that runs down the center of the vehicle. It provides a substantial safety factor for front and rear collisions and possibly side ones. Remember that this is a sports car only two seats a little car that needs all the re-enforcement it was designed with.
Second, if, while driving this unsafe vehicle, the PPF had come (further) loose, it could have cause me to lose control of the car and harm other drivers etc. Third, the repair to the wiring harness was indeed temporary and as I mentioned, the Nissan facility said the car could easily have caught on fire as a result of that Cottman induced problem. Fourth, is the fact that this was January in Ohio and Pennsylvania which is typically the worst weather month of the year. So what he was asking was for us to take a chance on breaking down in the middle of winter, then he wanted me to call him so he could round up his tow truck driver and have him drive up to 300 miles to pick us up while we waited in a broken down car for 5 hours on the side of the interstate. My wife, who always comes back with me has Multiple Sclerosis and can take very little cold and cannot walk very far. Hmmm what is wrong with this scenario?
Then, of course, there is the fact that any breakdown that occurs on the interstate or PA turnpike can have disastrous consequences on other traffic around the breakdown. In some places the traffic is going very fast and a breakdown or even going too slow causes accidents. In many places, there is little room to pull your car off the road safely. And lastly with regard to returning the car to Cottman for repairs, I must say, that if my car were on fire, and Cottman had the only water in town, I still would not take the car there. I'm not the brightest bulb in the house, but when a merchant has shown, that on every level, that they are incompetent, dishonest and have no customer service, then I would be pretty stupid to trust my car to them again.
And that is why I refused their very generous offer to repair it at no charge if it was related to our work. And of course it was related to their work as I said before, there is no way to remove the transmission (as they claimed they did), with removing the PPF and the wiring harness.
And, one last thing - their response said that they suggested I take the car to the closet (his spelling it should be closest) Cottman. First, HE did not spontaneously suggest that I did. Turned out the closest one is 60 miles away too far in an unsafe vehicle in January weather. Second, only transmission warranty work would be covered at a Cottman facility they would have no vested interest in fixing my car correctly; and at this point in time, I would never trust my car to any Cottman facility although I suspect there are some perfectly good honest ones out there.

#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company
Center Response
AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, April 24, 2007
The owner of this vehicle is:
Rodger Gordon
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We had reimbursed Mr. Gordon for the minor repair at the Nissan Dealership, site unseen. If the Nissan Dealer said the vehicle was safe for Mr. Gordon to drive the 200 miles home why was it not safe to drive the 430 miles to our faclilty? Is there some magic mileage number between 200 and 430 that would cause a failure? In fact, we spoke to Lloyd Carmichael, the service advisor at Wheeling Nissan and they recommended that Mr. Gordon NOT drive the vehicle from their shop. This infers that their repair was not satisfactory. It was Mr. Gordons choice to drive the 200 miles home.
Also, we had offered to tow the vehicle from any breakdown point on the way to our center or the entire 430 miles from his home in Ohio to our center at no cost to Mr. Gordon and repair it at no charge if it was related to our work. We also suggested that Mr. Gordon could take his vehicle to the closet Cottman. Mr. Gordon refused these offers and we have not seen the vehicle since.
We look forward to presenting our side of the events in any forum (i.e. BBB, Attorney General, etc.)
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