Dallas Patriots Scammed! ripoff Dallas Texas

I appreciate the time you've taken to let us hear your side.

You seem very kind and able to see that there are two sides.

I'm glad you've enjoyed your time with the Patriots. Congratulations on what seems to have been a successful season for you and your son.

I'm sure that is all you wanted for him.

My experience was different than yours, but I sincerely appreciate the fact that you recognize there are two sides.

Best wishes for continued baseball success.

For the love! Here goes ... I am not now, nor was I prior to Monday (7/11/05) aware that Shanna or Chad had posted.

Logan emailed ME saying I was trying to create a "team" against him. I told him I was not. Didn't even know those two people, much less know they had posted (boy, I'm glad I know now though).

I will say that over the last couple of days Logan Stout and I have been trying to reach some agreement without having to go to court. For that I'm thankful, but by posting a rebuttal it appears that is not Logan's intent at this point.

As for Logan saying "Who is that goofy looking kid?" I promise you the coach told my husband (with my 15 year old standing there - I have verified that) said the above to my husband and son. Logan is correct. I was not there, but my husband and son were. Don't know why my husband or son would lie about that statement. Doesn't matter. At this point it is a he said/she said and that certainly will not solve anything.

As for playing time ... I'm calling him out on that. My son did not play more than other kids. That is completely false. I had a parent comment to me on the night we decided to quit that he felt bad for my son because he wasn't getting any playing time. Even the parents were noticing.

As for me saying that I knew my son wasn't the most talented on the team. I did in fact say that. I'm not a baseball idiot. However, there were more than a few that were at the same level as my son or maybe (maybe) a little behind.

Regarding the contract saying this was a National team, Logan is correct. Our contract does not state that. That was my mistake and I apologize for that error. HOWEVER, that team did not compete in National level tournaments after their 2nd tournament. As a matter of fact, our first "American/Minor" tournament, more than one set of parents were upset because they had been told this was a select National team (could be where my confusion came from) and they had left their old team (Dallas Tigers, specifically) to be a part of this team and they felt very let down that this team was playing "down" now.

I told the parent I was very happy about that. Completely supported that. It was no fun for the kids to get beat 19-1 and 18-0. It was discouraging for them. We did go on to win 2nd place in that tournament so perhaps winning put those parents in a better frame of mind.

As for my 15 year old son. We were RECRUITED by a specific coach to come play for HIM. Absolutely our contract says "Dallas Patriots." But it does not say they have the right to move us to any team they deem. This coach recruited us. Talked to us about how much fun they were going to have in the Spring. Bragged about seeing "our son" in the paper. Repeatedly (after we signed our contract) implying our son was playing for him. Never. Never. Never mentioning "another team" until the night before we went to the practice/try-out.

As for us knowing all along there would be two teams. Again, calling you out on that one. We specifically asked at try-outs and no decision had been made. You (Logan Stout) told us that yourself. So, when this coach recruited my son to play for him, we felt comfortable that is what would happen.

As I said originally, Logan Stout/Dallas Patriots have every right to recruit just like everyone else. I do get the point that it is select and you want the best team on the field. However, when my 15 year old no longer fit those plans, it would have been more honest to say, hey, the coach that recruited you no longer has a spot for you. Here is another team or you can get your money back.

It is a misleading statement to say that the other teams are full by that team. We received a call two weeks ago for my son to go play in Florida for a team during their tournament there.
If you want to find a team, you can anytime of the year. No team is ever to full to take a talented player.


One team is not stacked and the other is? Really. Let's look at the BBI final record. The Blue team (the one my son was recruited to play for finished 10 and 7. The red team, the one they tried to shove him off to finished 5 and 13. Very odd. Just very odd.

I'm sure my son would have helped that Red team, but that is not the team my son was recruited for and he wasn't give a choice UNTIL AFTER we asked for our BBI contract back and then it was with the disclaimer that he would not see much playing. Who in their right mind would go ahead and agree to that and pay $1,500??????? Not us.

As for leaving the teams in a lurch? Hello? You didn't use my 13 year old when you had him. As for my 15 year old, tough! You were not going get more money out of us for him to sit on a bench (blue team) or play on a team with very little talent (red team). We don't want either of our sons to be the "star" on a team. We've always just wanted them to play "up" and play to that talent level. We wanted to surround them with better players to make our boys better players. It is that simple.

As for not understanding the business of baseball. Oh I do. I come from a long line of family in competitve sports. What I don't get is how one minute he can be praying for Shanna's family and then say that this has nothing to do with religion. Logan, you brought up the religion part. You tell it to anyone that will listen that you were a youth minister. You, rightfully, are very proud of that. However, you don't want to be judged by that. You can't have it both ways. You cannot talk the talk and then tell people this isn't about "religion." You speak of religion often. You wear it on your sleeve (so to speak) you are bound to be judged by it when you do something that isn't ethically or morally right.

By the way, your website reference how moral this organization is. That stood out to me as a Christian belief statement.

You say you have 100s of parents that are upset by these posting ... how would 100s of parents know about it if you hadn't told them? You said yourself a friend of yours found it. Are suddenly 100s of parents logging on here? I think not.

You are right about one thing. I am a nice person. Very nice. I'm a great mother. I'm a terrific wife and I'm not a patsy for you to take money from.

Before I wrap up this novel ... Logan states in his rebuttal to Chad that they have 150 kids. Only 90 play so that leaves 60 unhappy kids/paretns. Why on earth would you put yourself in situation to have 60 unhappy kids/120 (give or take) parents? That's just nuts!

I will leave you folks with a quote directly from Logan's last email to me today and you take it how you will:

"We do not feel you understand how this works, thus resulting in your actions. We also understand how small the baseball community is and understand that you would like for your son to play college baseball one day. I would hate for your actions now to have an affect on that possibility. By solving this problem with a pastor,it can be over and done with. By going to court, it will be a different situation."

Best of luck to those of you that have your issues with the Dallas Patriots. Congratulations to those of you that have found a "baseball home" there. I sincerely wish we had been that lucky.

CHAD/SHANNA: continue to stand up for yourselves. I do wish I knew you. I'm sure comparing notes would be enlightening.

God speed.

For the love! Here goes ... I am not now, nor was I prior to Monday (7/11/05) aware that Shanna or Chad had posted.

Logan emailed ME saying I was trying to create a "team" against him. I told him I was not. Didn't even know those two people, much less know they had posted (boy, I'm glad I know now though).

I will say that over the last couple of days Logan Stout and I have been trying to reach some agreement without having to go to court. For that I'm thankful, but by posting a rebuttal it appears that is not Logan's intent at this point.

As for Logan saying "Who is that goofy looking kid?" I promise you the coach told my husband (with my 15 year old standing there - I have verified that) said the above to my husband and son. Logan is correct. I was not there, but my husband and son were. Don't know why my husband or son would lie about that statement. Doesn't matter. At this point it is a he said/she said and that certainly will not solve anything.

As for playing time ... I'm calling him out on that. My son did not play more than other kids. That is completely false. I had a parent comment to me on the night we decided to quit that he felt bad for my son because he wasn't getting any playing time. Even the parents were noticing.

As for me saying that I knew my son wasn't the most talented on the team. I did in fact say that. I'm not a baseball idiot. However, there were more than a few that were at the same level as my son or maybe (maybe) a little behind.

Regarding the contract saying this was a National team, Logan is correct. Our contract does not state that. That was my mistake and I apologize for that error. HOWEVER, that team did not compete in National level tournaments after their 2nd tournament. As a matter of fact, our first "American/Minor" tournament, more than one set of parents were upset because they had been told this was a select National team (could be where my confusion came from) and they had left their old team (Dallas Tigers, specifically) to be a part of this team and they felt very let down that this team was playing "down" now.

I told the parent I was very happy about that. Completely supported that. It was no fun for the kids to get beat 19-1 and 18-0. It was discouraging for them. We did go on to win 2nd place in that tournament so perhaps winning put those parents in a better frame of mind.

As for my 15 year old son. We were RECRUITED by a specific coach to come play for HIM. Absolutely our contract says "Dallas Patriots." But it does not say they have the right to move us to any team they deem. This coach recruited us. Talked to us about how much fun they were going to have in the Spring. Bragged about seeing "our son" in the paper. Repeatedly (after we signed our contract) implying our son was playing for him. Never. Never. Never mentioning "another team" until the night before we went to the practice/try-out.

As for us knowing all along there would be two teams. Again, calling you out on that one. We specifically asked at try-outs and no decision had been made. You (Logan Stout) told us that yourself. So, when this coach recruited my son to play for him, we felt comfortable that is what would happen.

As I said originally, Logan Stout/Dallas Patriots have every right to recruit just like everyone else. I do get the point that it is select and you want the best team on the field. However, when my 15 year old no longer fit those plans, it would have been more honest to say, hey, the coach that recruited you no longer has a spot for you. Here is another team or you can get your money back.

It is a misleading statement to say that the other teams are full by that team. We received a call two weeks ago for my son to go play in Florida for a team during their tournament there.
If you want to find a team, you can anytime of the year. No team is ever to full to take a talented player.


One team is not stacked and the other is? Really. Let's look at the BBI final record. The Blue team (the one my son was recruited to play for finished 10 and 7. The red team, the one they tried to shove him off to finished 5 and 13. Very odd. Just very odd.

I'm sure my son would have helped that Red team, but that is not the team my son was recruited for and he wasn't give a choice UNTIL AFTER we asked for our BBI contract back and then it was with the disclaimer that he would not see much playing. Who in their right mind would go ahead and agree to that and pay $1,500??????? Not us.

As for leaving the teams in a lurch? Hello? You didn't use my 13 year old when you had him. As for my 15 year old, tough! You were not going get more money out of us for him to sit on a bench (blue team) or play on a team with very little talent (red team). We don't want either of our sons to be the "star" on a team. We've always just wanted them to play "up" and play to that talent level. We wanted to surround them with better players to make our boys better players. It is that simple.

As for not understanding the business of baseball. Oh I do. I come from a long line of family in competitve sports. What I don't get is how one minute he can be praying for Shanna's family and then say that this has nothing to do with religion. Logan, you brought up the religion part. You tell it to anyone that will listen that you were a youth minister. You, rightfully, are very proud of that. However, you don't want to be judged by that. You can't have it both ways. You cannot talk the talk and then tell people this isn't about "religion." You speak of religion often. You wear it on your sleeve (so to speak) you are bound to be judged by it when you do something that isn't ethically or morally right.

By the way, your website reference how moral this organization is. That stood out to me as a Christian belief statement.

You say you have 100s of parents that are upset by these posting ... how would 100s of parents know about it if you hadn't told them? You said yourself a friend of yours found it. Are suddenly 100s of parents logging on here? I think not.

You are right about one thing. I am a nice person. Very nice. I'm a great mother. I'm a terrific wife and I'm not a patsy for you to take money from.

Before I wrap up this novel ... Logan states in his rebuttal to Chad that they have 150 kids. Only 90 play so that leaves 60 unhappy kids/paretns. Why on earth would you put yourself in situation to have 60 unhappy kids/120 (give or take) parents? That's just nuts!

I will leave you folks with a quote directly from Logan's last email to me today and you take it how you will:

"We do not feel you understand how this works, thus resulting in your actions. We also understand how small the baseball community is and understand that you would like for your son to play college baseball one day. I would hate for your actions now to have an affect on that possibility. By solving this problem with a pastor,it can be over and done with. By going to court, it will be a different situation."

Best of luck to those of you that have your issues with the Dallas Patriots. Congratulations to those of you that have found a "baseball home" there. I sincerely wish we had been that lucky.

CHAD/SHANNA: continue to stand up for yourselves. I do wish I knew you. I'm sure comparing notes would be enlightening.

God speed.

For the love! Here goes ... I am not now, nor was I prior to Monday (7/11/05) aware that Shanna or Chad had posted.

Logan emailed ME saying I was trying to create a "team" against him. I told him I was not. Didn't even know those two people, much less know they had posted (boy, I'm glad I know now though).

I will say that over the last couple of days Logan Stout and I have been trying to reach some agreement without having to go to court. For that I'm thankful, but by posting a rebuttal it appears that is not Logan's intent at this point.

As for Logan saying "Who is that goofy looking kid?" I promise you the coach told my husband (with my 15 year old standing there - I have verified that) said the above to my husband and son. Logan is correct. I was not there, but my husband and son were. Don't know why my husband or son would lie about that statement. Doesn't matter. At this point it is a he said/she said and that certainly will not solve anything.

As for playing time ... I'm calling him out on that. My son did not play more than other kids. That is completely false. I had a parent comment to me on the night we decided to quit that he felt bad for my son because he wasn't getting any playing time. Even the parents were noticing.

As for me saying that I knew my son wasn't the most talented on the team. I did in fact say that. I'm not a baseball idiot. However, there were more than a few that were at the same level as my son or maybe (maybe) a little behind.

Regarding the contract saying this was a National team, Logan is correct. Our contract does not state that. That was my mistake and I apologize for that error. HOWEVER, that team did not compete in National level tournaments after their 2nd tournament. As a matter of fact, our first "American/Minor" tournament, more than one set of parents were upset because they had been told this was a select National team (could be where my confusion came from) and they had left their old team (Dallas Tigers, specifically) to be a part of this team and they felt very let down that this team was playing "down" now.

I told the parent I was very happy about that. Completely supported that. It was no fun for the kids to get beat 19-1 and 18-0. It was discouraging for them. We did go on to win 2nd place in that tournament so perhaps winning put those parents in a better frame of mind.

As for my 15 year old son. We were RECRUITED by a specific coach to come play for HIM. Absolutely our contract says "Dallas Patriots." But it does not say they have the right to move us to any team they deem. This coach recruited us. Talked to us about how much fun they were going to have in the Spring. Bragged about seeing "our son" in the paper. Repeatedly (after we signed our contract) implying our son was playing for him. Never. Never. Never mentioning "another team" until the night before we went to the practice/try-out.

As for us knowing all along there would be two teams. Again, calling you out on that one. We specifically asked at try-outs and no decision had been made. You (Logan Stout) told us that yourself. So, when this coach recruited my son to play for him, we felt comfortable that is what would happen.

As I said originally, Logan Stout/Dallas Patriots have every right to recruit just like everyone else. I do get the point that it is select and you want the best team on the field. However, when my 15 year old no longer fit those plans, it would have been more honest to say, hey, the coach that recruited you no longer has a spot for you. Here is another team or you can get your money back.

It is a misleading statement to say that the other teams are full by that team. We received a call two weeks ago for my son to go play in Florida for a team during their tournament there.
If you want to find a team, you can anytime of the year. No team is ever to full to take a talented player.


One team is not stacked and the other is? Really. Let's look at the BBI final record. The Blue team (the one my son was recruited to play for finished 10 and 7. The red team, the one they tried to shove him off to finished 5 and 13. Very odd. Just very odd.

I'm sure my son would have helped that Red team, but that is not the team my son was recruited for and he wasn't give a choice UNTIL AFTER we asked for our BBI contract back and then it was with the disclaimer that he would not see much playing. Who in their right mind would go ahead and agree to that and pay $1,500??????? Not us.

As for leaving the teams in a lurch? Hello? You didn't use my 13 year old when you had him. As for my 15 year old, tough! You were not going get more money out of us for him to sit on a bench (blue team) or play on a team with very little talent (red team). We don't want either of our sons to be the "star" on a team. We've always just wanted them to play "up" and play to that talent level. We wanted to surround them with better players to make our boys better players. It is that simple.

As for not understanding the business of baseball. Oh I do. I come from a long line of family in competitve sports. What I don't get is how one minute he can be praying for Shanna's family and then say that this has nothing to do with religion. Logan, you brought up the religion part. You tell it to anyone that will listen that you were a youth minister. You, rightfully, are very proud of that. However, you don't want to be judged by that. You can't have it both ways. You cannot talk the talk and then tell people this isn't about "religion." You speak of religion often. You wear it on your sleeve (so to speak) you are bound to be judged by it when you do something that isn't ethically or morally right.

By the way, your website reference how moral this organization is. That stood out to me as a Christian belief statement.

You say you have 100s of parents that are upset by these posting ... how would 100s of parents know about it if you hadn't told them? You said yourself a friend of yours found it. Are suddenly 100s of parents logging on here? I think not.

You are right about one thing. I am a nice person. Very nice. I'm a great mother. I'm a terrific wife and I'm not a patsy for you to take money from.

Before I wrap up this novel ... Logan states in his rebuttal to Chad that they have 150 kids. Only 90 play so that leaves 60 unhappy kids/paretns. Why on earth would you put yourself in situation to have 60 unhappy kids/120 (give or take) parents? That's just nuts!

I will leave you folks with a quote directly from Logan's last email to me today and you take it how you will:

"We do not feel you understand how this works, thus resulting in your actions. We also understand how small the baseball community is and understand that you would like for your son to play college baseball one day. I would hate for your actions now to have an affect on that possibility. By solving this problem with a pastor,it can be over and done with. By going to court, it will be a different situation."

Best of luck to those of you that have your issues with the Dallas Patriots. Congratulations to those of you that have found a "baseball home" there. I sincerely wish we had been that lucky.

CHAD/SHANNA: continue to stand up for yourselves. I do wish I knew you. I'm sure comparing notes would be enlightening.

God speed.

For the love! Here goes ... I am not now, nor was I prior to Monday (7/11/05) aware that Shanna or Chad had posted.

Logan emailed ME saying I was trying to create a "team" against him. I told him I was not. Didn't even know those two people, much less know they had posted (boy, I'm glad I know now though).

I will say that over the last couple of days Logan Stout and I have been trying to reach some agreement without having to go to court. For that I'm thankful, but by posting a rebuttal it appears that is not Logan's intent at this point.

As for Logan saying "Who is that goofy looking kid?" I promise you the coach told my husband (with my 15 year old standing there - I have verified that) said the above to my husband and son. Logan is correct. I was not there, but my husband and son were. Don't know why my husband or son would lie about that statement. Doesn't matter. At this point it is a he said/she said and that certainly will not solve anything.

As for playing time ... I'm calling him out on that. My son did not play more than other kids. That is completely false. I had a parent comment to me on the night we decided to quit that he felt bad for my son because he wasn't getting any playing time. Even the parents were noticing.

As for me saying that I knew my son wasn't the most talented on the team. I did in fact say that. I'm not a baseball idiot. However, there were more than a few that were at the same level as my son or maybe (maybe) a little behind.

Regarding the contract saying this was a National team, Logan is correct. Our contract does not state that. That was my mistake and I apologize for that error. HOWEVER, that team did not compete in National level tournaments after their 2nd tournament. As a matter of fact, our first "American/Minor" tournament, more than one set of parents were upset because they had been told this was a select National team (could be where my confusion came from) and they had left their old team (Dallas Tigers, specifically) to be a part of this team and they felt very let down that this team was playing "down" now.

I told the parent I was very happy about that. Completely supported that. It was no fun for the kids to get beat 19-1 and 18-0. It was discouraging for them. We did go on to win 2nd place in that tournament so perhaps winning put those parents in a better frame of mind.

As for my 15 year old son. We were RECRUITED by a specific coach to come play for HIM. Absolutely our contract says "Dallas Patriots." But it does not say they have the right to move us to any team they deem. This coach recruited us. Talked to us about how much fun they were going to have in the Spring. Bragged about seeing "our son" in the paper. Repeatedly (after we signed our contract) implying our son was playing for him. Never. Never. Never mentioning "another team" until the night before we went to the practice/try-out.

As for us knowing all along there would be two teams. Again, calling you out on that one. We specifically asked at try-outs and no decision had been made. You (Logan Stout) told us that yourself. So, when this coach recruited my son to play for him, we felt comfortable that is what would happen.

As I said originally, Logan Stout/Dallas Patriots have every right to recruit just like everyone else. I do get the point that it is select and you want the best team on the field. However, when my 15 year old no longer fit those plans, it would have been more honest to say, hey, the coach that recruited you no longer has a spot for you. Here is another team or you can get your money back.

It is a misleading statement to say that the other teams are full by that team. We received a call two weeks ago for my son to go play in Florida for a team during their tournament there.
If you want to find a team, you can anytime of the year. No team is ever to full to take a talented player.


One team is not stacked and the other is? Really. Let's look at the BBI final record. The Blue team (the one my son was recruited to play for finished 10 and 7. The red team, the one they tried to shove him off to finished 5 and 13. Very odd. Just very odd.

I'm sure my son would have helped that Red team, but that is not the team my son was recruited for and he wasn't give a choice UNTIL AFTER we asked for our BBI contract back and then it was with the disclaimer that he would not see much playing. Who in their right mind would go ahead and agree to that and pay $1,500??????? Not us.

As for leaving the teams in a lurch? Hello? You didn't use my 13 year old when you had him. As for my 15 year old, tough! You were not going get more money out of us for him to sit on a bench (blue team) or play on a team with very little talent (red team). We don't want either of our sons to be the "star" on a team. We've always just wanted them to play "up" and play to that talent level. We wanted to surround them with better players to make our boys better players. It is that simple.

As for not understanding the business of baseball. Oh I do. I come from a long line of family in competitve sports. What I don't get is how one minute he can be praying for Shanna's family and then say that this has nothing to do with religion. Logan, you brought up the religion part. You tell it to anyone that will listen that you were a youth minister. You, rightfully, are very proud of that. However, you don't want to be judged by that. You can't have it both ways. You cannot talk the talk and then tell people this isn't about "religion." You speak of religion often. You wear it on your sleeve (so to speak) you are bound to be judged by it when you do something that isn't ethically or morally right.

By the way, your website reference how moral this organization is. That stood out to me as a Christian belief statement.

You say you have 100s of parents that are upset by these posting ... how would 100s of parents know about it if you hadn't told them? You said yourself a friend of yours found it. Are suddenly 100s of parents logging on here? I think not.

You are right about one thing. I am a nice person. Very nice. I'm a great mother. I'm a terrific wife and I'm not a patsy for you to take money from.

Before I wrap up this novel ... Logan states in his rebuttal to Chad that they have 150 kids. Only 90 play so that leaves 60 unhappy kids/paretns. Why on earth would you put yourself in situation to have 60 unhappy kids/120 (give or take) parents? That's just nuts!

I will leave you folks with a quote directly from Logan's last email to me today and you take it how you will:

"We do not feel you understand how this works, thus resulting in your actions. We also understand how small the baseball community is and understand that you would like for your son to play college baseball one day. I would hate for your actions now to have an affect on that possibility. By solving this problem with a pastor,it can be over and done with. By going to court, it will be a different situation."

Best of luck to those of you that have your issues with the Dallas Patriots. Congratulations to those of you that have found a "baseball home" there. I sincerely wish we had been that lucky.

CHAD/SHANNA: continue to stand up for yourselves. I do wish I knew you. I'm sure comparing notes would be enlightening.

God speed.

I am a parent on one of the Patriots teams. I can only speak from mine and my son's perspective, but in a world where anyone can post anything about anyone, and these private situations have been made public, some new perspective may be in order.

My son is in his second season with the Patriots. Our coach tries his very best to balance competitive baseball with trying to allow each kid on a very talented team to have a chance for sucess and to learn high level baseball in the process. I am not aware of a single parent having any significant disatisfaction about any major issue.

As it happens all of the boys get along, as do the parents, so I am sure that also leads to a good situation, but they all, by and large, seem to be satisfied customers, if you will. And these are pretty competitive, knowledgable baseball parents, whose kids have been around select ball for quite some time and with some of the higher profile organizations.

I have also known Logan for a while now. Like me, he is far from perfect, but he has been nothing but a good infulence on my son. He has bent over backward to accomodate my son, and even if he and I were to have our differences, I cannot imagine him allowing that to effect his relationship with my son.

Also, the others I have worked with in the organization [admittedly I don't know them all] are as good as it gets. I have always thought that one of Logan's talents was his ability to surround himself with top notch people.

Going in to select ball, I knew that some of the organizations were run to try to turn a profit, and as a free thinking adult I knowingly parted company with my $1,500.

Would I run the Patriots any differently if I were boss? Of course. Frankly I have been dissapointed in the level of competition in BBI, for example [outside of the top 6 or 7 teams, of which our Patriots team is one, thankfully, the level of talent is pretty weak, to be brutally frank], but that has nothing to do with our deal with the Patriots - just a lesson learned and a way that the organizations can improve in the future - not an excuse to go on line and trash someone over a private situation that appears to have grown out of unrealistic expectations.

In any event, on our Patriots team, at least, one would find a bunch of fairly happy campers, as far as select baseball parents go, and I suspect that is the case with the majority of folks in the organization.

Just one parent's view, but for what it's worth, there sure appears to be two sides to this situation.

I am a parent on one of the Patriots teams. I can only speak from mine and my son's perspective, but in a world where anyone can post anything about anyone, and these private situations have been made public, some new perspective may be in order.

My son is in his second season with the Patriots. Our coach tries his very best to balance competitive baseball with trying to allow each kid on a very talented team to have a chance for sucess and to learn high level baseball in the process. I am not aware of a single parent having any significant disatisfaction about any major issue.

As it happens all of the boys get along, as do the parents, so I am sure that also leads to a good situation, but they all, by and large, seem to be satisfied customers, if you will. And these are pretty competitive, knowledgable baseball parents, whose kids have been around select ball for quite some time and with some of the higher profile organizations.

I have also known Logan for a while now. Like me, he is far from perfect, but he has been nothing but a good infulence on my son. He has bent over backward to accomodate my son, and even if he and I were to have our differences, I cannot imagine him allowing that to effect his relationship with my son.

Also, the others I have worked with in the organization [admittedly I don't know them all] are as good as it gets. I have always thought that one of Logan's talents was his ability to surround himself with top notch people.

Going in to select ball, I knew that some of the organizations were run to try to turn a profit, and as a free thinking adult I knowingly parted company with my $1,500.

Would I run the Patriots any differently if I were boss? Of course. Frankly I have been dissapointed in the level of competition in BBI, for example [outside of the top 6 or 7 teams, of which our Patriots team is one, thankfully, the level of talent is pretty weak, to be brutally frank], but that has nothing to do with our deal with the Patriots - just a lesson learned and a way that the organizations can improve in the future - not an excuse to go on line and trash someone over a private situation that appears to have grown out of unrealistic expectations.

In any event, on our Patriots team, at least, one would find a bunch of fairly happy campers, as far as select baseball parents go, and I suspect that is the case with the majority of folks in the organization.

Just one parent's view, but for what it's worth, there sure appears to be two sides to this situation.

I am a parent on one of the Patriots teams. I can only speak from mine and my son's perspective, but in a world where anyone can post anything about anyone, and these private situations have been made public, some new perspective may be in order.

My son is in his second season with the Patriots. Our coach tries his very best to balance competitive baseball with trying to allow each kid on a very talented team to have a chance for sucess and to learn high level baseball in the process. I am not aware of a single parent having any significant disatisfaction about any major issue.

As it happens all of the boys get along, as do the parents, so I am sure that also leads to a good situation, but they all, by and large, seem to be satisfied customers, if you will. And these are pretty competitive, knowledgable baseball parents, whose kids have been around select ball for quite some time and with some of the higher profile organizations.

I have also known Logan for a while now. Like me, he is far from perfect, but he has been nothing but a good infulence on my son. He has bent over backward to accomodate my son, and even if he and I were to have our differences, I cannot imagine him allowing that to effect his relationship with my son.

Also, the others I have worked with in the organization [admittedly I don't know them all] are as good as it gets. I have always thought that one of Logan's talents was his ability to surround himself with top notch people.

Going in to select ball, I knew that some of the organizations were run to try to turn a profit, and as a free thinking adult I knowingly parted company with my $1,500.

Would I run the Patriots any differently if I were boss? Of course. Frankly I have been dissapointed in the level of competition in BBI, for example [outside of the top 6 or 7 teams, of which our Patriots team is one, thankfully, the level of talent is pretty weak, to be brutally frank], but that has nothing to do with our deal with the Patriots - just a lesson learned and a way that the organizations can improve in the future - not an excuse to go on line and trash someone over a private situation that appears to have grown out of unrealistic expectations.

In any event, on our Patriots team, at least, one would find a bunch of fairly happy campers, as far as select baseball parents go, and I suspect that is the case with the majority of folks in the organization.

Just one parent's view, but for what it's worth, there sure appears to be two sides to this situation.

I am a parent on one of the Patriots teams. I can only speak from mine and my son's perspective, but in a world where anyone can post anything about anyone, and these private situations have been made public, some new perspective may be in order.

My son is in his second season with the Patriots. Our coach tries his very best to balance competitive baseball with trying to allow each kid on a very talented team to have a chance for sucess and to learn high level baseball in the process. I am not aware of a single parent having any significant disatisfaction about any major issue.

As it happens all of the boys get along, as do the parents, so I am sure that also leads to a good situation, but they all, by and large, seem to be satisfied customers, if you will. And these are pretty competitive, knowledgable baseball parents, whose kids have been around select ball for quite some time and with some of the higher profile organizations.

I have also known Logan for a while now. Like me, he is far from perfect, but he has been nothing but a good infulence on my son. He has bent over backward to accomodate my son, and even if he and I were to have our differences, I cannot imagine him allowing that to effect his relationship with my son.

Also, the others I have worked with in the organization [admittedly I don't know them all] are as good as it gets. I have always thought that one of Logan's talents was his ability to surround himself with top notch people.

Going in to select ball, I knew that some of the organizations were run to try to turn a profit, and as a free thinking adult I knowingly parted company with my $1,500.

Would I run the Patriots any differently if I were boss? Of course. Frankly I have been dissapointed in the level of competition in BBI, for example [outside of the top 6 or 7 teams, of which our Patriots team is one, thankfully, the level of talent is pretty weak, to be brutally frank], but that has nothing to do with our deal with the Patriots - just a lesson learned and a way that the organizations can improve in the future - not an excuse to go on line and trash someone over a private situation that appears to have grown out of unrealistic expectations.

In any event, on our Patriots team, at least, one would find a bunch of fairly happy campers, as far as select baseball parents go, and I suspect that is the case with the majority of folks in the organization.

Just one parent's view, but for what it's worth, there sure appears to be two sides to this situation.

This is my response to the accusations made by Donna. We are a business, and as with any business you have to bring in more money than you are spending or you will go bankrupt. We have set expenses per team. It does not matter how many players we have on our team. Our expenses remain the same. Each year we have tryouts. We offer contracts at the tryouts. The contracts have specific clauses in them that have a non-refundable and no guaranteed playing time agreements. Each player and parent signs the contracts. This is valuable to us for two reasons. One, we need the player to uphold his end of the contract because once we commit to certain players, we cut the rest. Therefore, we cannot replace a player that has committed to us. That is important because we then receive money from each player that pays for the expenses that we have already had to pay for prior to the season starting. Therefore, the money we receive from each parent is spent immediately, and the spot the player occupies is taken up. When a player quits, he hurts the team in two big ways. One, we cannot find a replacement player as most players are already on a team by that point. Two, we took that player for a reason, we need him. We feel he can help the team. In other words, when a player backs out of his contract, it hurts the entire team. We look for those that we feel will honor their commitment, but sometimes you get burned. In this case we got burned. We still have not been able to replace Donna's 15 year old son.

Donna says that I said, Who is that goofy looking kid? I never said, Who is that goofy looking kid. I actually recall bragging about him as he pitched very well against our 14u team. Donna was not at the practice. The coach of the 13u team denies he ever said I said those words about Donna's son.

The contract does not say this is a National level team. It does not mention anything about the level of play except for that it is a part of the Dallas Patriots Baseball Club. This is a false statement. Her point about us not delivering a National level team is completely false.

Over the next few paragraphs, Donna mentions playing time throughout. If you refer to what she says, the contract we signed says that there is no guarantee of playing time. Anything Donna mentions about playing time does not need to be discussed. I will say this; her son did get to play, and played more than some of the other boys. Donna also admitted that her son was not one of the better players on the team. Donna does not need to bring other players into this discussion, as they have nothing to do with her son's playing time. Donna then emails Bert that she wants money back despite the fact the contract says the money is non-refundable. In other words, Donna wants to back out on her signed agreement to have her son play for us, and she wants her money back? We are hurt by the fact that we have one less player. This hurts the whole team. Now she wants money back for backing out of her commitment?

The mental aspects of the game that Donna claim her son did not get are simply an opinion as most of the parents have said how thrilled they were about the season and cannot wait to play in the fall. I spoke with Donna about the situation, and informed her how bad it would be to quit. I explained to her the message she is sending her child: quitting is okay. I explained to her that the ability to deal with adversity is a life lesson that is much more valuable than the game of baseball. Allowing your son to quit, in my opinion, is wrong.

I never admitted that our coach made the wrong decision when not playing Donna's son. I did say that our coach should not have apologized for not letting your son play in two games. I explained to our coach that it is select baseball and he should play the better players. Not letting a player play in two consecutive games is part of select baseball.

This is a business. We cannot afford to give money back to people that back out of their contract. If a player were injured before the season started, as has been the case this year, we gave them their money back. It hurts us the same way that it has with Donna's situation, but the difference is the player that got hurt did not back out of their contract, they were unable to fulfill their contract due to injury, so we gave them their money back. We did not have to do so, because the contract says the money is non-refundable, but we did because it was the right thing to do. When a player quits, that is wrong on their part, and it hurts the team. There are plenty of kids that would love to have made the team, and could easily right checks. Donna's accusation that, as long as we can write checks he doesn't want to lose our kids, is completely offensive and wrong. We cut a lot more players than we kept this year. Donna's son made the team for one reason: his ability. We are not a non-profit organization. We are a business. As with any business, we have to make money to stay in business. I take offense to her comment, Oh, yeah. I get it. As long as we can write checks he doesn't want to lose our kids.

As for her 15 year old son, we were very upfront about having two teams. We never hid this fact. Her son was chosen for the Red team. We did not say one team was stacked and one was not. We simply have two teams. When her son quit, it hurt that team a lot. We planned on him helping that team a lot. We have two teams due to the fact we have a lot of great players in that age group, one being Donna's son. After they told me they were going to quit, we then said, if you are going to leave us over this, then we will let your son play on the other team, but he probably will not play as much. That is why we put him on the other team. Therefore, she was getting what she wanted, and then they still quit, leaving us without a player, and without the team fee, that we had already played for and planned on receiving from them. It was too late to find another player, especially one as good as Donna's son.

We never once lied to Donna. This is completely false. We do not make special contracts for people. Even if we did, we never mislead Donna. Her sons tried out for our team at an open tryout. She signed a contract that had Dallas Patriots on it. I never told her who her coach would be, or what team her son would be playing for. In fact, I did not know her or her sons until after we chose them for our organization. It was after the contracts and money were received that I was told that they knew our other coaches. They tried out just like anyone else. We never replaced her kid. We wanted her son to play for us. We needed him. We still need him. We wanted him in the plans.

Then Donna questions my faith. This is a baseball organization, not a church. I never scammed her. I never lied to her. I never took advantage of her. In fact she wronged us by breaking her contract, and then running my name and organization through the mud. Do Christians do that? I hope not. I have never spoken badly of her. People are people and we all make mistakes. I am willing to meet with her pastor over this issue. We have done nothing wrong. If fact, we feel we have been wronged. We have the emails to prove everything as well. Donna says, Everything I've written is true and I have emails to prove it. Clearly this is not true either. There are many examples that discredit her statement. I'll simply remind you all of one and you may reference all of the rest of them. Our contract never says we are a National level team. The word National is no even on our contract at all.

I truly believe Donna is a good person. I feel she does not understand that we are a business and not a charity. We do have to bring in revenue to stay in business. We cannot afford for people to break the contract. How would someone like it if at the last second we said we no longer want your son to play for us? After all of the other teams are full, and your son thought all along he was playing for the Dallas Patriots. Truth is, we could do that, but we would never do such a thing. There are teams out there that do that on a regular basis. We do not. We are loyal to the player once we have committed to them for the season. We only hope they will be loyal to us. In this situation, we not only had two players leave at the last second, but now they want their money back? I hope this message is read with kindness and not anger. I am simply trying to reason with Donna, as I feel she does not understand how this business works. I do not want to come across as sarcastic. I simply want the truth to be told.

Logan Stout