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Why Don't the NO NAME Cowards Contact the IIB where complaints are always satisfied.

Submitted: 3/9/2009 10:04:48 AM
Modified: 5/27/2009 11:27:33 AM
Reported By Ak
RA, OtherRA, Other

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Mr RA, NO NAME saysWe can see that IIB management is very concerned about this site which turns out to be very useful. As my colleague says you are not Jesus Christ to tell which soul is misguided or not. And nobody asked you to save them.

LPDthe IIB Principal & Founder in1984says:
Please don't take the name of my Lord in vain. It cannot help your causewhatever that happens to be. From your own Israeli traditions must know and believe thatThou shalt not take the Name of the Lord YOUR God in vain. So, please, have the same respect for MY God.
Look, Mr No Name (you must be a Mister as we have no failed lady Associates in Israel) I have already responded to you in this website and offered to sort out any genuine complaints you may have. But so far, not one email from you to lpd@iib.ws).
Why don't you write to me and tell me specifically how the IIB failed to deliver its contractual obligations to you. Anyone and everyone who complains to me personally always gets full satisfaction for genuine complaints.
Your sniper activities may be highly useful in the Israeli army, but continuing your terroristic sniping will not get you any of your fees backif that's what you want. No one has any regard for a terrorist sniper so why not Be a Man! Come out of hiding. Come to me and I will give you rest from the anguish and frustration with life which you must be suffering, There is healing and success just waiting for you to ask. You can still achieve what it is you wanted when you thought you would like to be a successful adviser to small to medium sized businesses in Israel, in the world for that matter. Come on in and let me help you.
Please email melpd@iib.wsor phone The Principal's Office at global HQ+44 1923 239 543

Mr COWARD says
As my other colleague says, instead or pushing associates to publish positive reports to balance the negative ones, organise a survey by a third party and commit to publishing it on the homepage, that would be a neutral adn objective figure.

LPDNo one has been pushed to write the Rebuttals to the lies about so-called complaints. Eevryone has been written voluntarily. Your other colleague (nice to still have two who will speak to you) is not keeping you up to date. Just recently Associate Howard Cox did conduct an independent survey of IIB Associates and it was published to all Associates on their home page, and, if Howard filed it there, the survey will still be in the respective Forum today.

Mr COWARD
You get nervous, probably because most IIB unfair practises that have been told here are true.

LPDNervous? Me? Clearly you do not know me at all, even though you so blatantly malign my characteranonymously. When people like you (of which there has been so very few over the last 25 years since the establishment of the Institute for I dependent Business as a higher education body)when coards like you make complaints to any investigative bodymedia, government trading authorities, better business bureaus, etcwe always come out clean, simply because we are clean. But then, of course, they have to be truthfully independent in their investigations simply because they have to put their name to their reportsunlike yourself who can hide behind a false name, which is so indicative of your false character. And why would the Reader of these Reports ant to believe such cowards?

Mr COWARD
Although IIB is theoretically a non for profit organisation, IIB is a very efficient business at making money.

LPDThank you for the compliment. Whilst the IIB does not make a profit, it certainly has to make a surplus, otherwise it goes out of business (much like you must have) and that would have disastrous effects on the consultancy practices of over 5,500 accredited Associates who proudly flaunt this accreditations from this higher education body.

Mr COWARDOn the one hand:
- An efficient recruitment process using flattery, promises

LPDNo broken promises by the IIB. If there was you would come to me with evidence of our broken promises and those promises would be made good.

Mr COWARD
- A rather well organised one week training period called RBS. On the other hand mostly nothing:
10 free appointments almost all irrelevant (not meeting any solid criteria such meeting actual decision makers leading companies with a potential business),

LPDHow well you learned the script only proves you, yourself, were a failure, certainly not the scriptif only because umpteen thousands of clients have signed up for the unique Business Support Programme and have become so much more successful as a result if the help and direction provided by our graduates.

Mr COWARDA BSP script that does not work at least outside England. People have always interrupted me before the end of the open, asking me to tell them why I was here.

LPDClearly you do not know why you're here, Mr Coward. It's time you knew why you are here so you can fulfil your God's intended purpose for your life.
When the prospect asks why you're herejust tell him, as in the script.

As to the BSP script only working in England, tell that to the Associatesthe Australians, the Americans, the Canadians, the Europeans, the South Africans, etc. etc. etc. who have all proven that the BSP script works anywhere and everywhere IF it is faithfully applied.

Mr COWARDA limited domestic network with interesting people but more limited and less efficient than some others you could join for cheaper,

LPDThe fact is that your fellow Israeli Associates do not agree with you.

Mr COWARDAn irrelevant international network who has never needed me, and from which I have not found any answer to the 2 or 3 questions I asked
Dozens useless mails who spam the mail box each day.

LPDIt will be no surprise to the Reader of your so-called complaint/s that you are not an easy person with whom to work. Clearly, by hiding your name, you have shown that you are not a person who is willing to take responsibility for your own actions and advice. Obviously you have some skills which could be of value to the other 5,500+ Associates, globally, or you would never have passed the stringent Selection Process one must go through in order to be accepted as a candidate for accreditation by the Institute. But, regrettably for you and the IIB, the Selection Process did not detect your true character before you were accepted into the Consultancy Business Development Programme.

Mr COWARDMoreover as it has beel already, IIB has a very clever internal process, not to let anyone use the internal tools for criticism or even asking a difficult question. And last year when an associate tried to organise a survey on the Intranet he was expelled.

LPDThat, again, is a blatant lie. The Spaniard to whom you refer was not disaccredited because he tried to do a survey. The Report by the Professional Conduct Committee is evidence of that. As I pointed out above, surveys conducted openly and in good faith, as the recent one by Howard Cox, are more than welcome.

Mr COWARDCandidates, if nevertheless you decide to join IIB, no problem, the only real criteria is your ability to pay entry fees and good luck.
AkRAIsrael

LPDNo luck is needed, Mr Coward, No luck at all. Just the necessary executive business experience and honest, but, yes, hard work for a few months complying with the requirements of the Minimum Income Guarantee of 48,000 in the first 12 monthsthat's all that's needed. Where else would you get 48,000 in return for a 12k investment?
Againplease email melpd@iib.wsor phone The Principal's Office at global HQ +44 1923 239 543. Let's get this sorted so that you can be happy again.
Linden P. Dyason

For some people, the IIB does not work out. First, you have to really know and be experience in business. People who don't most likely will not be successful. Second, you have to follow the the recommendations the IIB provides as far as setting appointments and holding appointments. If you don't, chances are reduced at being successful. Third, you have to follow the recommendations the IIB provides for how to DO business. In particular, the first 4 months are critical and the IIB provides a recipe for success. The IIB not only provides this, but GUARANTEES this! If an associate elects, he/she can be on the Guarantee program and IF they follow the recommendations, will guarantee six figures within the first year. If the associate doesn't reach this level, then the IIB will give the associate the difference. Many associates don't reach the level and ARE NOT paid by the IIB - solely because they do not follow through with the actions the IIB provides!

Concerning the 10 appointments provided, there are criteria for what makes a good appointment and a bad one. Because an associate can't CLOSE it - that doesn't make a bad appointment. It makes an inept associate.

Hey, listen, Mr. RA Israel, you may complain about YOUR experience, but you have no call or data to condemn those of us associates for whom it works. Don't go away mad, just go away and back to work for someone else because it's clear you aren't a business advisor nor do you have any skills of use to any of us in the IIB (as you said that the network didn't work for you). You know nothing about the IIB selection process because you never took the initiative to be a part of it. You are talking from one little isolated experience that is not the total picture. I am not in England and the IIB process does work for me and thousands of others. Just not you.

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My rebuttal is NOT INTENDED to follow he Report shown below.

It IS INTENDED to follow the Report by

Persephone EX EMPLOYEE
Albany, New York
U.S.A.claimed to write
A good assessment of the IIB.


COWARDSSTILL HIDING BEHIND A FALSE NAME


Persephone EX EMPLOYEE
Albany, New York
U.S.A.claimed to write
A good assessment of the IIB.

PERSEPHONE COWARD, has misleadingly said:
If the IIB wants to continue in business, charging $20K for accreditation, it should listen to the feedback of its members rather than expelling them for daring to challenge the outdated, misleading sales model.

LPDAs the Principal & Founder (in 1984) of the Institute for Independent Business I am well positioned to make the following points to this Coward who won't use his/her right name for fear of legal and IIB Disciplinary action:

PERSEPHONE COWARD, going by the heading to his/her Report, claims to be an ex-employee.

LPDThis is a lie. Persephone Coward is not and never has been an employee. How can any Report reader believe anything you say, Coward?

PERSEPHONE COWARD also claims to be a member of the Institute.

LPDThat also is a lie. The Institute does not have members; it has Associates, a status awarded upon achieving accreditation by successfully completing the Residential Business School credits in the Consultancy Business Development Program.
How can any Report reader believe anything you say, Coward?

PERSEPHONE COWARDIf the IIB wants to continue in business, . . . . it should listen to the feedback of its members.

LPDSo now you're an authority on how to run an institute of higher learning! N.B.The IIB has been in business, successfully, since 1984, and through its Consultancy Business Development Program methodology has helped over 5,500 experienced senior executives to start and establish their own individual, successful consultancy practicesif they use the IIB guaranteed methodology.
This, in part, has been because we really do listen to successful Associatesnot the whingers who have nothing to offer but their own failure as an alternative to the IIB Methodologywhich, by the way carries a Minimum Income Guarantee of over $100,000.00 in the first year after accreditation. Not a bad return on $25,000.00. We've never head from any Associate, certainly not Persephone Coward, of a better or even equal guarantee using alternative methodology.
To be blunt, why doesn't Persephone stop wasting our time with these Ripoff liesand put up or shut up? Your lies about the Institute are getting very boring and are of no help to the sincere searcher of the truth about the IIB.

PERSEPHONE COWARD makes a ludicrous claim, a blatant lie, that Associates are expelled for challenging the outdated, misleading sales model which (Persephone Coward fails to mention) is still guaranteed to produce a first year income of no less than $100,000.00!!.
I can show evidence to anyone who writes to me (lpd@iib.ws) that the only Associates who are expelled (disaccredited) are those against whom other Associates have filed formal Complaints that the offending Associate (the Respondent) has brought the Institute (and by close connection, the other 5,000 Associates) into disrepute.
The Professional Conduct Committee, which is made up of several Associates who are the Respondent's peers, investigate the Complaints, then produces its Findings and Recommendations to the Executive Board. Various disciplinary measures can be taken, the ultimate of which is disaccreditation, which, under the IIB Code of Conduct (signed by all Associates) requires that the disacreditation be published in various business media in the area in which the disaccredited person lives and works just so business managers and owners may be made aware of the disaccreditation.
Certainly no one has ever been disaccredited because they challenged the IIB proven, successful methodology which has never yet been replaced, but has been improvedsimply because no alternative methodology with a similar or better income guarantee has ever been suggested by failed Associates have.
However, the IIB methodolgy has, of course, been improved from time to time. This has been as a result of the practical advice that works for successful Associates who have used it, then improved itand the IIB has gladly and willingly paid high fees to acquire the improved intellectual property.
So, come on, Persephone Cowardput up a better method with a better guarantee; put up or shut up. Write to me at lpd@iib.ws and let's hear your feed-back with evidence. If I don't hear from you shortly, I'll let the Ripoff Readers know you couldn't put upbut will you shut up? Probably not.
And will you tell us who you are? Probably not, if only because you know your lies are bringing the Institute into disrepute so that if your fellow Associates find out who you are, they will quickly file formal complaints to the Professional Conduct Committee. You really want to keep your IIB accreditation because of the credibility this status gives you with clients and prospective clients. So you'll never tell us who you are, will you?!! Of course not. Well, I'll just have to accept that the IIB Selection Panel do make the occasional mistake, as they seem to have made by accepting your application to become an accredited Associate. But just a few mistakes out of the 5,500 Associates isn't a bad result.

Finally, as you may have heard, as of May1st, 2009, all Associates have been awarded a LifeTime Associateship subscription (no more annual fees). Yes!! ALL, even those few like yourself who have lost their IIB way. If you wish to take advantage of this with all the usual benefits of mass email, IIB publication, Associate Group and National meetings and the unique IIB network Community of Associates, or even to, in some way, make amends for the mess you have tried to cause, why not go back to your local IIB Regional Group where, even if you have previously been squeezed out because of your negative attitude to the IIB, I assure you, there will be a warm welcome.
And I hereby guarantee that for a reasonable period of grace (two months) there will be no recriminationsno formal Complaints will be accepted by the PCC against any wayward Associate who has mistakenly told their libelous lies in Rioff. So, please do write to me during this period of grace. Together we can still make it happen for you.
Linden lpd@iib.ws

Ak
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RAWe can see that IIB management is very concerned about this site which turns out to be very useful.

LPDAs I am named in the heading of this so-called report I am obliged to reply. Moreover, as I am the Principal and Founder of the Institute for Independent Business I accept full responsibility for any ways in which the IIB has failed to deliver its contractual obligations to any Associateprovided such an Associate has faithfully applied the IIB Methodology in the fullness of its honesty (as under the IIB Code of Ethics). In fact, I will here repeat what I have said on the odd occasion when face to face with an IIB Associate who is blaming the IIB for his/her failure to develop a successful consultancy practiceLet me accompany you on your next meeting with a business owner (or decision maker) and show me that you faithfully and fully use the IIB Methodology. In every instance such an accusing Associate refuses to be thus tested.

RAAs my colleague says you are not Jesus Christ to tell which sould is misguided or not. And nobody asked you to save them. As my other colleague says, instead or pushing associates to publish positive reports to balance the negative ones, organise a survey by a third party and commit to publishing it on the homepage, that would be a neutral adn objective figure.

LPDI would very much like to be like Jesus Christ, and, so, in His Name I do forgive you for the unwarranted, untruthful attacks on me which you have made. Hiding behind those coward's initials, RA, must mean you have not got the courage to confront me, and if not me, probably also those hard to reach business owners. Were you half the man you must have convinced the IIB Executive Recruitment Manager you were, you would have written to me personally rather than hide behind those initials. So I do admit that in your case our recruitment process did fail the rest of the 5,000 accredited Associates; and I apologize to them for that.

If anyone out there knows of a better way of recruiting new Associates, please sell me a Business Support Program. We continue to add more hurdles to jump, but some still get through to the end in spite of the strict screening. We would be willing to pay you well for any such magic system that could sort the successes from the failures.

RAYou get nervous, probably because most IIB unfair practises that have been told here are true.

LPDNo nervousness, RA; absolutely no nervousness. To my personal knowledge, there are no unfair practices in the IIB. If you really think anything is unfair, please do tell me what are the unfair practices so that they can be remedied.

RAAlthough IIB is theoretically a non for profit organisation, IIB is a very efficient business at making money.

LPDSurely, as a business adviser, you would not suggest that a not-for-profit Institute should be running at a loss?

RAOn the one hand:
An efficient recruitment process using flattery, promises

LPDPlease state the promises the IIB has failed to fulfil. Since your accreditation, you have certainly not advised me, as Principal, of any failed promises. Why leave it until now to blame the IIB for your failure?

RA A rather well organised one week training period called RBS.

LPDAt least we agree that the Residential Business School is rather well organised. Thank you for that crumb of appreciation.


RAOn the other hand mostly nothing:

10 free appointments almost all irrelevant (not meeting any solid criteria such meeting actual decision makers leading companies with a potential business),

LPDthe appointments are not freeyou have to work at them, which is no doubt where you went wrongexpecting the business owner to be waiting for you to arrive so he/she could sign up for an assignment.

RAA BSP script that does not work at least outside England. People have always interrupted me before the end of the open, asking me to tell them why I was here.

LPDYou should have used the interruptions to bring them back to the scriptjust as you were taught to do in the well organised RBS. So, here you go again, blame the IIB for a script you didn't use faithfully.

And tell us, how do you know the script doesn't work outside of England? You are just clutching at straws, RA. The script works in every country in the IIB worldjust under 30 countriesand even in Israel. But I will admit the script doesn't workif you don't use it.

RAA limited domestic network with interesting people but more limited and less efficient than some others you could join for cheaper,

LPDLimited network? Do get into the 21st century, RA. Associates are working together all over the globe. I know for a fact that, having been introduced by Associates in many countries, Israeli Associates are doing business with clients all over the world. The Community of Associates is what you make of it.

RAAn irrelevant international network who has never needed me, and from which I have not found any answer to the 2 or 3 questions I asked.

LPDClearly, the IIB Associates found out about you being a whinger. Who wants to do business with such a person? Not clients. Not Associates.

RADozens useless mails who spam the mail box each day.

LPDAs my ol' daddy used to sayThere are none so blind as those who cannot see. Time you listened to the Earl Nightingales tapeDiamonds in Your Own Backyard.

RAMoreover as it has beel already, IIB has a very clever internal process, not to let anyone use the internal tools for criticism or even asking a difficult question. And last year when an associate tried to organise a survey on the Intranet he was expelled.

LPDAgain, please get your facts right. Last year, the only Associate who was dis-accredited by the IIB Professional Conduct Committee was Eduardo Martinez, and that was nothing to do with an attempt by him to organise a survey on the Intranet.
As to difficult questionswrite to me and I will personally provide you with an answerwhich may or may not be to your liking, but will be the honest factual truth.

RACandidates, if nevertheless you decide to join IIB, no problem, the only real criteria is your ability to pay entry fees and good luck.

LPDNow there's an admission of the reason for your failure. You never realised that success is not due to good luck. Again, if I may, it's as my ol' daddy used to sayThe harder you work, the luckier you get.

Finally, may I suggest that it's not too late for you to repentchange your ways, RA, and go back to the IIB methodology which you know is guaranteed to workbut only if you work it. If you need any help, some re-training, whatever, do write to melpd@iib.wsand we'll still support you, in spite of yourattempts to harm the Institute!

By the way, I almost forgot your libelous report heading. As an attempt at reconciliation, please write to me personally and tell me why you think I am a dictator and how I can mend my ways.

But keep using that dictator word to describe me could end up in making me ant to track down the real RA. I've already been given a strong clue from Associates in Israel who are not at all happy with your slanderous attacks on the Principal & Founder of the Institute they respect and need. As one would expect, unless you withdraw the libel, formal complaints will be made to the IIB Professional Conduct Committee to have you dis-accredited for bringing disrepute to the Principal and the Institute which has been so important to them developing their consultancy businesses. Bear in mind that such disciplinary action carries with it the responsibility for the IIB to publish your dis-accreditation in your local media continuously over a period sufficient for the business world in Israel to be aware of your loss of accreditation status.

Again, my email for you, or anyone who would like me to clarify anything islpd@iib.ws.

To Pat Curtis', point, the reaction of IIB management speaks for itself: see the report by Elizabeth and her forced retractions. Are you surprised that anyone criticizing the IIB does so anonymously? I have also witnessed the treatment that anyone within the network receives if they voice any dissatisfaction.

If IIB management listened to the concerns of associates, the organization would be very much better. I have a very successful consulting business, built from nothing. I thought IIB membership would be a useful addition, but was disappointed by the lack of investment in the network and concerned by the dubious sales tactics.

For anyone considering joining the IIB, I only recommend doing it with your eyes open. If you have no consulting experience, the RBS will *not* give you the necessary skills or tools. Expect to build your own sales and marketing plan. If you have a strong network already, the IIB is probably not worth it, but if you think you need a kick start, it may be. Caveat emptor.

To Pat Curtis', point, the reaction of IIB management speaks for itself: see the report by Elizabeth and her forced retractions. Are you surprised that anyone criticizing the IIB does so anonymously? I have also witnessed the treatment that anyone within the network receives if they voice any dissatisfaction.

If IIB management listened to the concerns of associates, the organization would be very much better. I have a very successful consulting business, built from nothing. I thought IIB membership would be a useful addition, but was disappointed by the lack of investment in the network and concerned by the dubious sales tactics.

For anyone considering joining the IIB, I only recommend doing it with your eyes open. If you have no consulting experience, the RBS will *not* give you the necessary skills or tools. Expect to build your own sales and marketing plan. If you have a strong network already, the IIB is probably not worth it, but if you think you need a kick start, it may be. Caveat emptor.

To Pat Curtis', point, the reaction of IIB management speaks for itself: see the report by Elizabeth and her forced retractions. Are you surprised that anyone criticizing the IIB does so anonymously? I have also witnessed the treatment that anyone within the network receives if they voice any dissatisfaction.

If IIB management listened to the concerns of associates, the organization would be very much better. I have a very successful consulting business, built from nothing. I thought IIB membership would be a useful addition, but was disappointed by the lack of investment in the network and concerned by the dubious sales tactics.

For anyone considering joining the IIB, I only recommend doing it with your eyes open. If you have no consulting experience, the RBS will *not* give you the necessary skills or tools. Expect to build your own sales and marketing plan. If you have a strong network already, the IIB is probably not worth it, but if you think you need a kick start, it may be. Caveat emptor.

To Pat Curtis', point, the reaction of IIB management speaks for itself: see the report by Elizabeth and her forced retractions. Are you surprised that anyone criticizing the IIB does so anonymously? I have also witnessed the treatment that anyone within the network receives if they voice any dissatisfaction.

If IIB management listened to the concerns of associates, the organization would be very much better. I have a very successful consulting business, built from nothing. I thought IIB membership would be a useful addition, but was disappointed by the lack of investment in the network and concerned by the dubious sales tactics.

For anyone considering joining the IIB, I only recommend doing it with your eyes open. If you have no consulting experience, the RBS will *not* give you the necessary skills or tools. Expect to build your own sales and marketing plan. If you have a strong network already, the IIB is probably not worth it, but if you think you need a kick start, it may be. Caveat emptor.

I think our 'friend' in Israel has provided us (and himself) with some clues as to why no one in the International community wants to work with him.

Furthermore, if you have misleading comments to make about the organisation that provides so many of us with the rationale and methodology that makes consultancy that much easier, do have the courage to tell us who you are, rather than hide behind some meaningless initials

The IIB has provided thousands of accredited associates with everything they need to operate a successful consultancy business, most of whom I would suggest, are far richer for it and with no regrets whatsoever in spending what after all, is a modest sum of money to go through the accreditation process.

If it didn't work for you my 'friend' then there could be very few reasons:

1) You lack sufficient intelligence to understand what you were taught during the Institute's Residential Business School
2) You lack the motivation to get off your backside to go andc find yourself some clients
3) You adopt the same unfortunate disposition when talking to prospects so they wouldn't dream of utilising your services
4) You couldn't sell yourself if your life depended on it

One of the reasons that I joined the IIB was to have my own company that I could run my way. I also joined because every IIB associate has to stay within ethical boundaries that enable me to be able to do business with other associates very quickly based many times on just our word. The freedom of my independent practice should absolutely disprove the assertion of the writer Linden Dyason is a dictator; he is not involved at all with anything I do with my clients.

The IIB gave me the training and the network that enabled me to build a consulting practice that is now highly successful.

The writer of this negative report is from Israel. Even though I do not know what it is like in Israel, I have been an associate in California for over 2.5 years. Here are my observations:
- The first ten appointments are to practice the methodology that we just learned in training (along with the advice of my mentor). All of my first ten were with the business owner. Most of my first ten were absolutely potential clients. If I had been as good then as I am now, I may have been able to had engagements from most of them. As it was, I was engaged to many of them and made business friends out of most of them so that one of them even called me up over a year after we first met to engage me when they had a special need.
- I have found the network to be of much greater benefit than networks like BNI or LeTip since most of the people in these groups have experience in only some business areas but the IIB network seems to have people with expertise in every area (I have never been disappointed). There is nothing wrong with BNI or LeTip, it is just the IIB network has several significant benefits:
o Greater range of experts
o Experts I can trust since they are held to an ethical standard
o Some of the deals are much larger with IIB
- I have worked with many IIB Associates world wide. The writer stated that they never needed him. Well, we had an associate who almost failed in my region because he showed up to the first meeting and acted like, well, I am here; bring be some business. As soon as he dropped this attitude and started working as part of the team and contributing, he was successful. Attitude sometimes makes all the difference and expecting a free lunch is not a good way to start. Offer someone else something and then they may offer something back later but you may have to make the first step.
- The emails are most useful and are the way I get much of the support I need to be able to perform for my clients.

If the IIB wants to continue in business, charging $20K for accreditation, it should listen to the feedback of its members rather than expelling them for daring to challenge the outdated, misleading sales model.