Michael Moore! Ripoff He's At It Again With More Or His Version Of The MOORE Truth! Loud Mouth who trashes this Country but as always with his kind, no other alternative! Manhattan New York *Consumer Comment ..The real RIP OFF is the family's of the dead soldiers killed over OIL and Cheney's buddies government contracts.

This reads more like a transcript of the Jerry Springer Show than an essay about how Michael Moore allegedly ripped off movie goers by claiming that HE HAD THE CUTTING EDGE TRUTH..EXPOSE' or whatever it was that he was trying to prove.

Actually, Michael Moore allegedly ripped off Alex Jones' previous films concerning 911... But Alex doesn't seem to mind because THE WORD IS OUT!

And THE WORD says "ALLEGEDLY" that New World Order operatives were behind 911 to force the US military into the Middle East to guard the Bush/Cheney etc. OIL INTERESTS there! NOT because of any real Islamic threat. ( Guys in caves?)

Notice how the price of gas just "happened" to go down right before the election?

If you people don't wake up and realize what is REALLY GOING ON IN THE US --and it started back in Woodrow Wilson's administration with the creation of the so-called "Federal" Reserve until President Kennedy won the election he wasn't supposed to win because an Organized Crime person got mad at Nixon and allegedly threw the election in Chicago in favor of Kennedy.

President Kennedy and the same alleged "mob" guy were both conveniently dispatched so that they wouldn't be in the way the next time the CRIME PEOPLE wanted Richard Nixon and his gang of crooks in there. ( Check out Nixon's Vice President's connections to certain people in NJ, Spiro T. Agnew who had to resign because of the embarrassment...) THEN NIXON HIMSELF GOT IT because he was one of the more vocal proponents of the NEW WORLD ORDER! They found a way to take him out. It wasn't because he bugged the Democrats because IT IS ALL THE SAME RULING CLASS regardless of the outside label of Democrat or Republican....

After the disgrace of Nixon, the New World Order people had to put in Gerald Ford who promptly PARDONED Nixon ( Why did Nixon need a PARDON if he wasn't GUILTY!) and Ford is one of the biggest New World Order boosters there was. After Ford, everybody had it with the "CORRUPT REPUBLICANS" and so CARTER came in. Jimmy CARTER was also put in by THE NEW WORLD ORDER and he messed up the economy so he got his sorry self booted out after one term.

About this time, I began to see the beginnings of entire formerly middle-class FAMILIES becoming HOMELESS!

After Carter came REAGAN and for the first time in my life, I had a steady job and enough money to have a bank account and a place to live and I could afford groceries too! I LOVED REAGAN for that and he made me feel Secure. But I heard all sorts of BAD THINGS ABOUT GEORGE H.W. BUSH who was just a sorry one-termer. I knew he had been a CIA director with Nixon connections and that Reagan did not like or trust him! But George H.W. Bush was too open about proclaiming how great the NEW WORLD ORDER was going to be and how all of us peasants were going to be enslaved by TECHNOLOGY! And he said -- because he was THAT removed from REAL LIFE, or at least the life of us ordinary folks and HE HAD TO GO.

When he let the secret out of the bag, the New World Order types decided to put on a good diversion and get their friend and ally Bill Clinton and Hillary in the White House.

Clinton, a VERY GOOD FRIEND of George H.W. Bush ( Which is why George W.H. Bush did NOT run an aggressive campaign against him!) was next and he was too distracted with Monica and various babes and various money making opportunities -- like missle secrets to the Chinese, etc. to do much damage.

ONE THING I WILL SAY IN HIS FAVOR. HE RAN ON THE IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID and he DID SUPPORT THE ECONOMY! He was also on board when Enron, Ty-Co, World Comm and some of those other corporate criminals were running wide open! And all of the rest of the corruption started becoming apparent.

So who gets elected after "Honest, Truth-Telling BILL"?

Why it's RICHARD M. NIXON, THE SEQUEL!

The program that is being implemented here is just picking up where that EVIL TYRANT RICHARD M. NIXON ( May his name be cursed!) left off...

With George W. Bush the PUPPET and George H.W. Bush and d**k Cheney as the PUPPETMASTERS and shadowy New World Order masters --- international financial cartels, mainly the British bankers, notably the House of Rothschild and other multinational businesses --plotting to loot our country's resources, take all of our property through the SUPREME COURT DECISION ON EMINENT DOMAIN and put us all in FEMA concentration camps after we lose our jobs
(slated to be outsourced to India, Mexico, China and Pakistan), our homes ( because there are no jobs, we can't pay our property taxes or out mortages) and if we can't pay our utilities, the governmental agencies can declare our homes a "blight" according to the International Building Inspection Code and then the governmental agencies can TAKE OUR HOMES FROM US AND NOT HAVE TO PAY US---- THEN they can turn them over to REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS!

Where will we go? What will we do?

Alex Jones suggests that FEMA camps will take us. Or maybe they really will cull 80 percent of the "useless eaters" as n**i-sympathizer Henry Kissinger called us ordinary folk by releasing e-coli and other viruses cooked in hellish labs on us... Maybe there really is mercury in the flu vaccines that are allegedly owned by New World Order corporations?

Michael Moore asks questions with his films.

And instead of fighting among yourselves here, you guys better be getting ready for a very bad recession which is supposed to be due after the first of the year!

And figuring out WHO you can trust enough to vote for.

I am afraid that Michael Moore MIGHT have told more truth than not in his 911 film. But he got that truth from Alex Jones. Google him and inforwars and see what is there.

Read it and be afraid. Very afraid.

Democrats or Republicans --just Different labels on the SAME bottle of rat poison!

Ok shawn you say I lied?

Lets see.....I said.....

1.A guy made a movie.

2.It has a point of view.

3.Of course, there is always another view. Sometimes many other views.

4.But this guy made his movie...with his view.

5.Then a person made a post on a rip-off website about the movie.

6.And people are saying the guy that made the movie shouldnt have been allowed to make the movie because his view is different from their view.

7. Some people have gone as far as to say that the guy that made the movie is "Un-American" and "not patriotic".



So shawn which part am I lying about? Am I lying that Moore made a movie? Or am I lying that you people are pissed about it? Either way...If I am lying about either of these points then this thread should never have been made.

By the way if you have forgotten, an anti-Moore person started this thread!!

So....which is it?

The simple fact of the matter is:

Anyone that believes anything moore has to say is as stupid as HE says you are.

You went and gave him $120,000,000 for a "movie" that you should have seen for free. What's more important to him, the message or the money?

It is soooo typical of you lowlifes - you have been PROVEN as spinners, liars, and idiots on another post, so you run and hide and spew your venemous trash elsewhere! You've been found! You probably belong here with the whole Micheal Moron topic anyway . . . you obviously don't have the intellect to debate anything/anyone with any morals or basis of fact. Continue on now, you know where I am.

Fear not my little haters, I won't be back here again - it's just another form of the same topics, with the same format - Facts presented with verifiable data, links, etc., followed by a response from some gaggle of left wing naysayers filled with the same B.S. rhetoric and lies that your "god" Micheal Moron spouts. Never able to prove anything, never willing to offer data, links, or source of material - just blatant, self serving, venemous spew from intentionally ignorant "citizen".

Keep spouting your lies here if you want, I won't be here to correct you . . . but don't try it on "the other one", I'll be there - continuing to prove you and your absurd and fellacious statements as such. The best part of it all, I can do it using your own "twisty", illogical rhetoric . . . I don't even need to work at it, you're just that stupid.

God Bless the U.S.A.

While I may or may not agree with Michael Moore's movie, please note:

The same Constitution that gives you the right to express your opinions and trash Michael Moore, gives him the right to express his opinions in his movies.

To limit one or the other is akin to censorship and I spent 10 years in the Marines to ensure that you and he has those rights without censorship.

So, just remember.

Mr. I don't own stock I'm a regular guy just used the laws he cried for so many years "The Elite Rich" mostly Republicans or Conservatives were using to cheat Uncle Sam and this country out of paying taxes!
Michael Moore and his wife are now the sole employees of the TAX HAVEN TRUST he set up. Most important are the filings he had to make to the Internal Revenue Service listing his ASSETS!!!!!!
Anyone want to guess what some of MIKE'S holdings were then and still are today????
And why in the world would Mike b***h about Haliburton. The STOCK is doing great! AYE MIKIE????

Mr. I don't own stock I'm a regular guy just used the laws he cried for so many years "The Elite Rich" mostly Republicans or Conservatives were using to cheat Uncle Sam and this country out of paying taxes!
Michael Moore and his wife are now the sole employees of the TAX HAVEN TRUST he set up. Most important are the filings he had to make to the Internal Revenue Service listing his ASSETS!!!!!!
Anyone want to guess what some of MIKE'S holdings were then and still are today????
And why in the world would Mike b***h about Haliburton. The STOCK is doing great! AYE MIKIE????

Mr. I don't own stock I'm a regular guy just used the laws he cried for so many years "The Elite Rich" mostly Republicans or Conservatives were using to cheat Uncle Sam and this country out of paying taxes!
Michael Moore and his wife are now the sole employees of the TAX HAVEN TRUST he set up. Most important are the filings he had to make to the Internal Revenue Service listing his ASSETS!!!!!!
Anyone want to guess what some of MIKE'S holdings were then and still are today????
And why in the world would Mike b***h about Haliburton. The STOCK is doing great! AYE MIKIE????

Ben;

I am on your side remember? Sheesh! Canadians are not the ones beating their chests & screaming "might is right" & we have every right to take over the world!

However, when critisized, I don't mind bringing up that when a "just fight" is on... or was on... Canadians were in the fight from the beginning, with a very sizeable force, while the USA was having trade with the n**i's. That's all.

Moore showed how Bush ripped off the first election & there is more than enough evidence he ripped off his second. He lied to the American people "on purpose" & has been working in his "buddies" best interests since he got in to power. Simply screwing the American people just how Moore pointed out.

Every one of your other points are also valid. Sheesh!

Ok lets get this all down.


1.A guy made a movie.

2.It has a point of view.

3.Of course, there is always another view. Sometimes many other views.

4.But this guy made his movie...with his view.

5.Then a person made a post on a rip-off website about the movie.

6.And people are saying the guy that made the movie shouldnt have been allowed to make the movie because his view is different from their view.

7. Some people have gone as far as to say that the guy that made the movie is "Un-American" and "not patriotic".


I think that sums it up.

Ummmm, are we still in America? Because I thought it was ok to have your own point of view here. Or...at least it was once. I thought believing in freedom of views was a patriotic and American thing to do. Or....at least it was once. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not in America anymore. Maybe this is Southern America now? Is that how it works in Southern America?




Oh, and another thing....

Did Moore use actors in his film? Or were those real corporate CEO's talking about all the riches they could reap from Iraq.......before the war even started? I mean lets get real people. If they were actors, then Moore was just showing his point of view. If they were not actors, then we SAW what actually happened.

Didnt someone mention something about "truth" in an earlier post?

If you American (oops sorry....Southern American....forgot that was another country) and Canadian folks can stop beating your chests about how many troops each country sent to WW2, and answer these simple questions, it eliminate some of the confusion.

Robert;

If you were not so much out of touch with reality, you would realise that almost 70% of Americans "right now" are against Bush & his stupid war in Iraq.

I can guarantee you the percentage is higher with Canadians. Moore brought out 2 movies (documentries) to show you facts. Un disputeable facts... that Bush & his Administration is taking the American people for a ride.

Things he reported on, were not only true, but continue to this day "blatently" in front of your face, as it is with Haliberton.

Not only "don't your get it", but you feel so strongly that he was wrong, "when he clearly wasn't" that you slam him for no good reason. Then you don't like how people respond to your misguided rambleings.

The fact is, that now because of Bush's inept Presidency... you & I both have to worry about the next terrorist attack, when it will happen & where it will happen, as it surely will.

That, my dear Robert is what makes people like yourself so frustrating to deal with. There is no "freedom of speech" for the Journalists in Iraq, as they must be inbedded with the Military there & your views are clearly comming from what Bush wants to feed you.

I am not against Americans or your Country! I am for the 70% of Americans who can see something clearly wrong here.

I wrote a report stating my views on what I believed to be a RIPOFF in the form of what Michael Moore calls a documentary!
I was using my right to free speech to voice my complaint!

Most who responded only attacked me for being a n**i, a Communists, and so on and so forth!

Then we had the english teachers who decided to pipe in and show they could correct everyones spelling and sentence structure!

Of course then came the clown from Canada adding its two cents.

Everyone attacking me was using what they claimed to be their right to free speech to scream at me for using the same right!

All anyone had to do was merely say they agreed or disagreed with my report on Michael Moore's movie!

To use my report as a springborad for spewing your politics and venom towards the President or this country shows just how small minded people all over the world think.

I do thank those who contributed well rounded arguments to some very half witted responses from some who participated!

To James in Canada, if your responses weren't so d**n laughable and entertaining, I'd pass on them.

I've had plenty of dealings with Canadians. Seems tens of thousands of them are here and firmly entrenched in US society!

I've found many are very intelligent and far from being anything close to being anti US on anything!

Then there are the "MOOKS" like you!

Your only method of disucussing something with someone who opposes you is to attack them with childish insults!

Hopefully, you're as ugly as you are stupid and won't be able to breed and continue whatever species you are.

As stated in my past posting to you, a middle finger salute to you and yours!

I wrote a report stating my views on what I believed to be a RIPOFF in the form of what Michael Moore calls a documentary!
I was using my right to free speech to voice my complaint!

Most who responded only attacked me for being a n**i, a Communists, and so on and so forth!

Then we had the english teachers who decided to pipe in and show they could correct everyones spelling and sentence structure!

Of course then came the clown from Canada adding its two cents.

Everyone attacking me was using what they claimed to be their right to free speech to scream at me for using the same right!

All anyone had to do was merely say they agreed or disagreed with my report on Michael Moore's movie!

To use my report as a springborad for spewing your politics and venom towards the President or this country shows just how small minded people all over the world think.

I do thank those who contributed well rounded arguments to some very half witted responses from some who participated!

To James in Canada, if your responses weren't so d**n laughable and entertaining, I'd pass on them.

I've had plenty of dealings with Canadians. Seems tens of thousands of them are here and firmly entrenched in US society!

I've found many are very intelligent and far from being anything close to being anti US on anything!

Then there are the "MOOKS" like you!

Your only method of disucussing something with someone who opposes you is to attack them with childish insults!

Hopefully, you're as ugly as you are stupid and won't be able to breed and continue whatever species you are.

As stated in my past posting to you, a middle finger salute to you and yours!

I wrote a report stating my views on what I believed to be a RIPOFF in the form of what Michael Moore calls a documentary!
I was using my right to free speech to voice my complaint!

Most who responded only attacked me for being a n**i, a Communists, and so on and so forth!

Then we had the english teachers who decided to pipe in and show they could correct everyones spelling and sentence structure!

Of course then came the clown from Canada adding its two cents.

Everyone attacking me was using what they claimed to be their right to free speech to scream at me for using the same right!

All anyone had to do was merely say they agreed or disagreed with my report on Michael Moore's movie!

To use my report as a springborad for spewing your politics and venom towards the President or this country shows just how small minded people all over the world think.

I do thank those who contributed well rounded arguments to some very half witted responses from some who participated!

To James in Canada, if your responses weren't so d**n laughable and entertaining, I'd pass on them.

I've had plenty of dealings with Canadians. Seems tens of thousands of them are here and firmly entrenched in US society!

I've found many are very intelligent and far from being anything close to being anti US on anything!

Then there are the "MOOKS" like you!

Your only method of disucussing something with someone who opposes you is to attack them with childish insults!

Hopefully, you're as ugly as you are stupid and won't be able to breed and continue whatever species you are.

As stated in my past posting to you, a middle finger salute to you and yours!

I wrote a report stating my views on what I believed to be a RIPOFF in the form of what Michael Moore calls a documentary!
I was using my right to free speech to voice my complaint!

Most who responded only attacked me for being a n**i, a Communists, and so on and so forth!

Then we had the english teachers who decided to pipe in and show they could correct everyones spelling and sentence structure!

Of course then came the clown from Canada adding its two cents.

Everyone attacking me was using what they claimed to be their right to free speech to scream at me for using the same right!

All anyone had to do was merely say they agreed or disagreed with my report on Michael Moore's movie!

To use my report as a springborad for spewing your politics and venom towards the President or this country shows just how small minded people all over the world think.

I do thank those who contributed well rounded arguments to some very half witted responses from some who participated!

To James in Canada, if your responses weren't so d**n laughable and entertaining, I'd pass on them.

I've had plenty of dealings with Canadians. Seems tens of thousands of them are here and firmly entrenched in US society!

I've found many are very intelligent and far from being anything close to being anti US on anything!

Then there are the "MOOKS" like you!

Your only method of disucussing something with someone who opposes you is to attack them with childish insults!

Hopefully, you're as ugly as you are stupid and won't be able to breed and continue whatever species you are.

As stated in my past posting to you, a middle finger salute to you and yours!

Who's the ripoff?...Robert!!!!!

. We who like Mr. Moore's work would be denied freedom if Robert had his way. Why does Robert feel the need to control others?

Please be specific, what don't you like about B for C and F 9-11? Did you even watch the movies?

I have heard the complaints by those who oppose Mr. Moore and few hold any merrit. The one that I recall is a person who complained about the Bank scene and the free gun. This persons complaint was "you can't just pick up a gun at a bank, you have to wait for the background check". I just watched B for C again last week and yes they did mention a check needed to be performed.

Anyone with any knowledge of buying a gun knows there is a check involved. Conservatives will twist everything to make their point. The only point I take from Robert and those like him is they are filled with hate. So you don't like opposing views...you must not like freedom and the foundation of the United States, because, this country was built on balanced and fair judgement. Not one-sided dictatorship!

Sound like some people won't be happy with the USA until all the non conformists are wiped out.

Arron;

What is wrong with your head where you think someone has to be "Liberal" to be against invading other Countries?

You have no issues, merely insults that don't make any sense. Yes Canada was fighting the n**i's way before the USA got into the fight & as a "matter of fact" Canada during WWII had a larger Army, Air Force & Navy than the USA had.

However what can you expect from some person living in Tennessee who does not even know how to spell Canadian's?

You & the "other redneck" just need an education is all.

I don't recall anybody writing in paragraphs on this thread especially fruity Canadiens.

You're grasping at straws. You've lost your argument after being thoroughly blasted by a Southern American. He saw you for what you are: a twinkle toed liberal.

Canada fighting the n**i's? I didn't know you pansies were capable of actually fighting. Was it an actual altercation or just a bunch of french-influenced whining that Canada is so widely known for?

How can you blast somebody for using the term "liberal" and then turn right around and use the term "red-neck."?

The problem is, dumbass, you reinforced the fact that you are just a sniveling liberal from a sniveling liberal country.

God Bless America and To Hell With Michael Moron!

Robert;

If you were not such a redneck, you might have learned in school how to write in paragraphs.

However you are a redneck. So much a redneck that you feel facts are either Liberal or Conservative & you use the word Liberal as an insult!

First of all, I am not Liberal, but Conservative. Canada was fighting Nazis, while the USA was having trade with them & none of this has anything to do with "Facts" Moore presented!

Still all you do is attempt to insult in your "redneck way" & yet you bring up no points. Is that because you don't have any, other than your misguided knowledge of which of our two Countries supported n**i's?

Get an education redneck.

I intentionally wrote my response to you just so you could show your ability to correct simple grammer.
At least you Canadians are taught enough to make yourselves appear almost brain dead.
What facts do you speak about in fatasses film?
He took bits and pieces of press confrences and edited them until he got what he wanted!
Even a Canadian could have done that...Maybe!
Your countires news reporting has always been just a bit behind the n**i or Communists Propoganda machines for being truthful.
You're a liberal as are most Canadians. And I've always thought that liberals were Communists too d**n scared to fight for what they say they believe.
Liberals let everyone else fight for the Freedoms, Rights and Protection all liberals say everyone is entitled to.
Liberals let everyone else pay for the protection needed to protect those Freedoms and Rights all Liberals say everyone is entitled to!
Yes, James, Liberals are always talking about this or that. Liberals are always accusing those who disagree with them that that person or group is violating their rights!
Maybe if liberals actually saw the world the way it is instead of the fantasy world they prefer to live in, then MAYBE, just MAYBE, liberals would shut their loud mouths and actually say something constructive!
Liberals waste more clean air than all the factories worldwide combined.
And liberals pollute every aspect of the world and have ruined most things they've ever touched!
Moore's film is anything but fact.
James, you seem to be what most liberals are.
People who just want to talk.
They slam everything they don't like and spend most of their time accusing those who disagree with them of being oil or war crazy.
Moore produced no actual facts in his movie.
He produced EXACTLY what he's produced and given the world each and every time.
HIS OPINIONS! HIS IDEAS! HIS VERSION OF WHAT HE CALLS THE TRUTH OR FACTS!!!!!!!
You just pay attention to anything that feeds you hate and mistrust of this Country.
Big FREAKING deal!
What you or any other Canadian thinks about this country don't mean squat.
You keep you sorry little butt in a country that is locked in the past.
James, you may be smoking a bit too much pot that your fine country seems to like in great quantities!
I forgot. James, you Canadians seem to prefer coke and smack to just pot!
And James, if history is correct, the first settlers to Canadian soil took anything and everything they could from the native people and used and abused them in whatever fashion they deemed fit.
History teaches us that someone is always taking something from someone or doing something to piss someone else off.
So what do you and so many others spend an unusal amount of their time trashing the US for exactly the same thing everyone else who gains any type of power anywhere in the world?
Get out from behind your computer and help a neighbor out! Try helping the elderly out on a daily basis if you have so much time.
How about helping kids and people less fortunate than you.
No James, you just play on the Internet looking for ways to trash others in the complete safety of the Internet.
You talk a good game but in the end, you are like all liberals. You can only talk.
Michael Moore put out a film he titled a Documentary! This is supposed to mean the movie contains FACTS as they happened!
Not some lazy fat a*s who likes to trash the very country he's getting rich off of.
And by the by.
michael Moore was supposedly in Florida recently at a FAT FARM.
Since Florida allows brain dead people to die, should those at the fat farm even try to help him?MMMMMMM I wonder.
Michael Moore, the ultimate con-man!

Some Americans are actually smart:

DADDY, WHY DID WE HAVE TO ATTACK IRAQ?
DADDY, WHY DID WE HAVE TO ATTACK IRAQ?

Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction honey.


Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense Daddy. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons to fight us back with?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country?
A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.


Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American
corporate gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.


Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalists?
A: Don't be a smart-a*s.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men? Fifteen of them Saudi Arabians? hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban.


Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's heads and hands?
A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off for other reasons?
A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets ? I mean, the Russians ? are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.

Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Q: Good night, Daddy.

Thank God for smart Americans!

Robert;

If ya didn't spell like a redneck, if ya did know more about what goes on north of your border, you might not be "a redneck".

However you are a redneck. A little teachin fer ya there Robert, Canada has "daily mail" delivery, & the French basically settled a place called Quebec, which covers basically around 1/8th of the Country. A majority of people who live here are English & our Population is incraseing like crazy from Americans moving here because they wish to escape people like Bush.

However with your redneck brain, you spout things like:

America may have been started by people from EUROPE who then started a little war for them FREEDOM.

But Canada was forst settled by people who were the offspring of French brothers and sisters who got just a little close.

Which shows just how much of a redneck you are! If you have a point "redneck", please make it! If something in Moore's film is incorrect, make a point of it. Yea I am sure Moore makes money. What do you f**king think Bush is doing? Does it not bother you that Bush has money with the family of Bin Laden in oil? Does it not bother you that he lied about reasons for invading Iraq to you? Does it not bother you that you are only being fed information from "inbedded reporters" in Iraq & totally sensored by the Government you have who have already been proven in lies? Does it not bother you that people from your Government are up on "Criminal Charges"?

Is it possible that you are just sitting there in your little "redneck world", & be the first one suprised when a nuclear bomb finally goes off somewhere in the USA? I here in Canada am concerned, as that "nuclear cloud" will probably travel up north at one point.

Wake up & get some edumication dare redneck! Then comment when you can think & spell. Chew gum & walk too.

One just has to giggle at the religous redneck right (thats them thar Bush supporters, if ya havent figured that out) when they tout the "illegals" situation. I have to just hit the floor laughing when they post on a thread about Moore like our dear dilusional Robert did.

Ummm, Robert, let me get this all down. You post on a thread about Moore (thus his film). A film that generaly just bashes Bush with un-altered video of him being shmuck, and his cronies being shmucks. You make some of the usual comments others have about Moore making money, then fall into a deep cavern of non-stop references to the subject of "illegals" in this country. Adding like a touch of frosting to the top that you think "Bush" is just another one of the "whores" in Washington. Totally forgetting that you posted on a thread about Moore and his film, bashing Bush. And thus, showing that not only are you a complete redneck, but that you have no clue as to where the hell you are posting. Also showing that you, sir, whine more than either side because your just whining about everything in general.

About this "illegal" situation. Did you also completely forget/miss/use-drugs/or otherwise generally supress the memory of the fact that Bush brought forth the idea of amnesty for all illegals several years ago.

Now who the hell do you think that would help the most? Other than the "illegals" themselves of course.

You sure have a long post Robert;

It does not say much other than that you are a "redneck". Moore produced facts. Listen to them or not. They still are facts. Just because you don't like it & he shows how dumb you must be if you go along with the garbage Bush feeds ya, does not meant there is anything wrong with what he says.

Time for a "check up from the neck up today" , Robert! Are you red above the neck too?

The original complaint was against the Michael Moore film, or so that piece of tripe has been described as.
Michael Moore is not unlike anyone tryintg to make a fast buck! He finds issues out there in everyday life and then blows them up to suit his way of thinking. Then he figures out how HIS way of thinking can make HIM alot of MONEY!
Michael Moore has produced few FACTS in his books or movies!
What Michael Moore puts out there for all to see are his ideas or his intepretations of the war in Iraq, President Bush or anything else this rotund clown has come up with!
To all his supporters, you only prove the old saying "There's a SUCKER born every minute"!
Other than charge you a fee to blow smoke up your asses telling you things you already believe in ot already think, what has this poster child for birth control done for any of you?
What's he done to feed to poor or shelter the homeless?
What's he done to help the elderly in need?
What's he done to stop crime in the ghettos?
Has he come up with any plan to jump start the economy or to improve anything about this country?
To all of you that say Michael Moore is a patriot, inhale a big gulp of air and let some reach your brain!
So he opens his mouth and bitches whines and complains! Big FREAKING deal!
He'd be helpful if he had solutions!
All he is now is a self serving blowhard just out to line his pockets!
PRETTY MUCH THE WAY YOU LIBERALS SAY BUSH AND HIS CRONIES ARE DOING!
To the silly little twit wanting to know about slavery, lets have a little history lesson.
The history of most African tribes show that they routinel raided and attacked other tribes and villages.
Those they didn't kill were made SLAVES!!!!!
Not WHITES doing this but BLACKS doing this to other BLACKS!!!!!!!!
Then came along the DUTCH and other European countries like FRANCE, ENGLAND, GERMANY and lets not forget SPAIN all attacked african village after village killing, raping and enslaving those they caught!
Black slaves were all around Europe long before they ever came to the U.S.!
And just because you live in Maryland doesn't mean your State wasn't just as guilty during the slave days.
Much of the North may have been against slavery but they sure as hell didn't do much to help those that got away!
Those that were helped were really only being used by the anti South elements in the North!
Not anti-Slavery but ANTI-SOUTH!
And while all the hell was going on in the South before Civil Rights, what was the plight of the black man in the North!
About as good now as it was then.
People in the Northern part of the country seem to think that because their States were slave free that somehow blacks were treated as equals!
HAH!
Now back to the Michael Moore posting!
The first few replies were from people attacking me for my telling people not to go to a movie I thought was nothing but propoganda!
I was excecising my Right To Free Speech but the liberal clowns in this country who've almost destroyed all our once fine learning institutions and made most Americans afraid to speak their mind!
Debbie in Slidell, I'm sorry for your loss but you've used this complaint about Michael Moore and his movie as a venue to attack this country and the President!
To say that us giving aide to the Iraqi people because we've bommbed them is stupid!
You happen to live in one of the most corrupt if not the most corrupt states in this country!
And you seem to spout off the same type of political BS that eminates from La like an overflowing cesspool and has since long before Huey!
Now what would prompt someone to live in the most corrupt State in the country where LIBERAL and DEMOCRATS have ruled with an iron fist since about 1820 and actually complain about what someone else is doing.
If President Bush is corrupt, then he's a true beginner when it comes to the lowlifes and thieving politicians that you've lived around in that state.
How about Earl and Huey?
How about Edwin Edwards?
How about Ray Nagins and Kathleen Blanco before the hurricane!
They didn't do a d**n thing prior to the hurricane hitting and then turned it into President Bush and the government treating the poor like trash!
Were you out campaigning about health insurance, crime, feeding the poor or sheltering the homeless?
No Debbie, you were doing what most people, regardless or their political beliefs were doing each and every day.
Trying to work, pay bills and provide for your own family.
So health care in this country isn't what it or what you think it should be. Exclude all the people in this country who don't have health care because they don't want to spend the money!
Exclude all those people who have pissed away jobs for one reason or another where they had coverage.
Show me an honest, hard working person who just can't afford health care coverage and those are the people that need help!
As for the unemployed, exclude all the people who just don't want to work but want to b***h about not having a job and those not working because they can't find their DREAM JOB or those who are just plain SCREWUPS and those left are the ones you help!
Liberals want to stand on a soap box and tell everyone else how things should go.
The big problem with liberals is they won't stick to any workable plan on anything.
Liberals whine and complain while Conservatives go out and take action.
We may not be right 100% of the time, but until liberals come up with better ideas, its just not wise to trust them with anything other than sweeping the floors!
My exercising my right to free speech was attacked and then when rebuttals were made, I was attacked for being against free speech!
This shows most responding were only concerned with their points of view.
Typical for the liberals in this country!
We can thank the ACLU for good Americans being afraid to speak their minds.
In case no one has noticed, the ACLU is quickly destroying this country with their filing legal action against anything and everything!
And if you want to see just what kind or morals are behind the ACLU, some of their new clients are from the group NAMBLA.
This stands for the NORTH AMERICAN MAN BOY LOVE ASSOCIATION!
This group of sick and demented pedophiles belive they have the right to engage in sex with boys of ANY age!
And the ACLU agrees that stopping them is a violation of the pedophiles right to have sex with who they want to.
The ACLU says were have to accept any and all immigrants both legal and illegal or else we have to face the ACLU in court.
You let a group of blacks or whites collect like the SPICS all over this country do at various places and the police come in and ask for ID's!
But for the SPICS in this country, the whites and blacks trying to earn a living have to put up with 25 or 30 of them living in one house.
We have to put up seeing our tax dollars go for their free health care because they can't afford it.
Did you ever look at the cars and trucks transporting SPICS to their Free doctors appointments at the clinics in this country?
They can easily afford to pay. But they are infesting this country by the millions and quickly turning what were nice areas into little Mexico, little El Slavador etc. etc..
If you want to see just how many pieces of Mexican, El Salvardoran etc. etc. trash are hanging around, if you know spanish or someone who does, go around them.
What you'll hear them saying about people maybe standing right beside them at work or in a store will shock you.
I've heard some of the SPIC whores speak about taking over this country simply by out breeding whites and blacks.
If you're legal fine.
If you aren't you deserve nothing.
And if Bush and the rest of the whores in Washington had any love for this country, they'd stop the flow of illegals from Mexico.
And the illegals better learn one thing fast.
We Americans are tired of you being here. We've had enough.
Either leave on your own or the day may come when you're removed from this country via Mexican extradition!
In fact, I'll bet if we started using Mexican extraditions to return the SPICS home, the flow of illegals would stop because everyone in the Mexican Army and every Mexican Police Officer would be on the boarder to stop it.
Mexico doesn't wnat any of its citizens back.
And as an American, I'm tired of COWARDS leaving their countries in the millions and coming here to be cowards!
Stay in your own country and change it.
We don't want any of the trash that keeps coming in.
Illegals have slowed everything down because we english speaking people have to wait for some dumbasses to learn how to speak.
Our schools can't teach white and black students the way they should be taught because we have to make changes to help PACO and the rest of the Taco eating crowd!
Nuff said!

Kristin,

I have a question for you regarding this statement:

"1) The ONLY truth is JESUS"

How do you know?

This is the longest post I've ever read on rip-off. I only have 2 things to say:

1) The ONLY truth is JESUS

2) I like Aaron. He's the only one who makes a point! And a good one at that. Everyone else sounds like jibberish. Even me!

I can relate to much of what you say;

It is about money! However you do not have to make anyone do anything to call him a "terrorist".

Just look at Suddam. Fighting a war against Iran in the 80's, he was given "chemical weapons" by the good ol USA to continue the fight.

Those weapons were "ok to use" on Iranians. Not Kurds though right?

Kuait was "slant drilling" into Iraq. That was illegal! Even most of the UN agreed! After Suddam warned them "many times", he produced troops on their border & called for US reaction!

He was told by the embassy that the US had "no opinion" on the issue. Sounds like a "green card" to me!

All of a sudden, Desert Storm & accusations of WMD! None found but lots of oil for sure!

No Suddam did not have to be labeled a "terrorist" to start a war with him. He just simply had to be "lied about". A "spin" had to be fed to the American people & some of them are still gobbleing the spins up.

Stacey mentions people from her family killed in WWII. Were any of them thrown out of helicopters as in Vietnam? Oh what a good war that was! Oops... I forgot, it was not a war! Just something the USA stuck their nose in... "I forget"... for what reason? Possibly as Paul says to "test new weapons" at someone else's life expense. I mean nobody really cares about the Americans who died fighting such a stupid war or (non war), now do they?

Is the problem that Suddam was a dictator? I don't see anyone invading Cuba so far. Isn't China a dictatorship? What about N. Korea? Do they have attrocities like Suddam was labeled as having? Does any average American even know?

The USA was so "righteous" as they sold weapons to n**i Germany almost during the "entirety" of the war. Definately while German subs were cruising their way through Lake Ontario, destroying shipping from Canada to that war effort. Uh... many Americans forget that Canada was at war with Germany from the beginning!

Nope, you are right Paul, it is over money. A spin can be put on anything to justify the US need to invade anywhere! They do not need to "breed terrorists", as even if people are not, they can be claimed as being so.

One question should be confronted. Is it your Country? If not, it is probably "none of your business" unless you can get a "UN resolution" to do something about it, as the USA rarely waits for. There is a "World Court" & a World Bank & a UN to handle problems fairly.

A nice quote from the religous "right" again....


"Matthew 7:3, Read it boy!"


Always with the religon. I want my party back. Give it to me, you self rightious hypocritical thieves!! You have hijacked the Republican party to turn this country into a Christian Afganistan. Thanks Pastor Bin Laden!

Get your religous crap off my body, away from my mind, and away from my life.

If you want to read a book written by a bunch of holed up monks 1500 years ago that never got laid in their life and couldnt even understand that the world was round, then be my guest.

I'll pass on it and live in the real world. You want me to read a passage from a storybook???? Why dont you really watch Moores film then. At least it has video of corporate CEO's salivating over the "potential profits" in Iraq. A video taken BEFORE the war started. And you idiots would call that "propaganda". Well my answer is a picture is worth a thousand words. Even from you little book. Ill take that video as fact any day over your little monk made book of mother goose stories.

Go back and read my post dipshit! Where do I say anything about not paying taxes, dumbass?

I would continue, but your own words are proof of your foolishness.

Matthew 7:3, Read it boy!

- Jees let me think here - He has a $2 million dollar penthouse, sends his daughter to private school and yet he is just a "normal person" - I do not care for Bush but we are stuck with him - Michael Moore is trash pure and simple - his "movies" are one sided to benefit his agenda - This man cares nothing about anyone but HIMSELF pure and simple - Hey Michael Moore - go to Rwanda, Somalia - see what genocide is - My family was exterminated in the camps of Germany during WWII -

It has nothing to do with being liberal. Matter of fact until Dole in 96, I always voted Republican. But the Republican party has been hijacked by these fundamentalist Christian Talaban types. (Bush Jr. being one of them...hell even his father wasnt like that!)

If you had actually paid attention to my post, I really dont trust ANY politician. And I never defended Moore. What I wont do is defend what Bush has done to this country. Its not liberal, its not conservative. Its something completely different and evil.

So I can assure you Kerry was not "my boy". Nobody was. They both stunk!

Now about the liberal whinning.....

You like your schools, you like your roads, you like you lights to turn on when you come home.....

Pay your fricking taxes like a man ya moneygrubbing cheapskate! Everyone else has. What makes you so special that you dont have too. I'm sure you got an education out of it. Use it...moron.

Here is your "boy" in action....

"I don't spend a lot of time thinking about....why I do things" George W. Bush --June 4, 2003

You voted for that????? Frickin idiot!

What you need to do, boss, is stop with the liberal whimpering and rise above partisan politics. I got news for ya: Kerry and Bush both are bad for this country (Kerry being the worst). Michael Moron is an idiot, too. He really has won a lot of awards for his work.........NOT! The only place he receives awards is France.

I'm also tired of you ignorant whiners saying that Bush is from Texas. The Bush's are from Connecticut, morons! Of course they came to the South to exploit something or someone. Of course they are racketeering criminals. We've come to expect such lies and mis-representations from the Northeast.

Ben, your boy lost! Stop crying and act like a man!

For you dopes out there that are still goose stepping behind Bush and the religious right.....

Tell me, how did you spend that $300 tax refund Bush Jr. gave you several years ago?

Probably just like me. On the inflated gasoline prices.

Bush is a typical republican. Takes money out of government coffers under the ruse that the "government takes too much of our cash!". Then puts us in a spot where we have to give it right back out to his cronies in the oil business.

Personally I would have been happy to not receive that tax refund and seen that surplus (the largest ever in the history of our country) go to fixing things wrong like social security and education. But no, it all went to some greedy SOB exec at some oil company so he could get his multi-million dollar bonus.

So I ask again, where do you like you money to go? Into some rich guys yacht? Or into making this country sound?

Ill pass on Bush, his cronies, their bonuses, and their yachts. I would rather see my money go somewhere that I can vote on (granted most politicians from all parties are crooks....but at least we have SOME say with our votes!), rather than see it go to someone I have no control over whatsoever.

Let me explain why we have wars.

It has nothing to do with oil. All the oil producing countries send us as much oil as they can fit in the tankers.

For many oil producers, selling oil is the only way they make money. No oil means no food money. It's just like you going to work each day. Stop working and you better stop eating.

War or no war, the United States can continue to buy oil right up until the day it all runs out.

So, are we at war to fight terror?

Again, no. The terrorist countries are just pissed off because our government is over there bothering them. That's what our government does. They go over into every country on the face of the earth and start s**t.

Well, now they got the Saudi lunatics all pissed off. I assume that's exactly what they intended to do.

Our government goes over and starts s**t in other countries because they need to make angry terrorists.

You see, angry terrorists come here and cause trouble in return. That gives the government a good reason to start another war.

So, why does our government want to start a war in the first place?

Actually, our government doesn't really want a war. They really don't care one way or another. They don't make the rules.

So, who did start the war? And, why did they do it?

Think about it.

What is the root of all evil?

No, idiot, not sex. And, not religion.

The root of all evil is money.

There's your answer. We make war to make money.

Think about who sells war products. It's a trillion dollar industry.

Those companies need a war in order to sell their war trash. So, they hire lobbyists to go to Washington. They buy enough of the government. That's not hard to do. They all take bribes.

So, after these war product companies pay their bribes, our government goes out and starts a war. Then business is good for the war companies.

It really doesn't matter who is in the government. Remember, all of them take bribes. You can elect any president you want.

It doesn't matter. The minute the war companies pay the bribes, there will be another war. They are already planning the next war as we speak.

I'm less than 50 years of age. But, in my lifetime, there has been one war after another.

There was the Korean war. The Vietnam war. The cold war. Star wars. Start wars is when the military spent trillions trying to make a laser beam weapon.

Then, we had the first middle east war. Then, the present war.

In between, there was the drug war.

In other words, there has been some war my whole life.

You see, they couldn't all be about oil.

Communism is all gone. They can't use that excuse anymore.

So, they went out and dreamed up this terror thing. They went over to the hornets nest and f**ked with the hornets. Next, the hornets get all mad and come after you.

But, you see, if we had left the hornets alone in the first place, none of this would have happened.

Unfortunately, the government can't do that. They need a reason to start a war. Remember, the businesses that make war products own them. So, in order to repay the debt, the government must keep the wars going.

You will never stop the wars because the war product companies won't let you do that.

Our government doesn't care one way or another. They have no say in the matter. Big business tells them what to do. Politicians are simply stick puppets. They are told what to do and how to do it.

So, you can forget about electing a different person. That won't work.

The only way that I can see to stop the wars is to start a large company and buy the whole government for yourself.

Of course, these war product companies aren't going to sit back and let you do that. You're screwing with their trillions. They'll eliminate you.

The sad part is that the soldiers actually think they are fighting for something of value. Terror. Freedom.

The fact is we don't really need to have any soldiers at all. Why don't we just let our government simply hand the trillions of dollars over to the war product companies?

That way, they get all the money. So, they'll be happy. The soldiers won't be getting killed anymore.

We could all just pay the war product companies and then there would be no more need for these pretend wars.

The whole war thing was always about money in the first place. Once they get the money, there is no need for the war anymore.

Remember, wars come and wars go. But, the root of all evil will always be money.

The government has a million reasons to keep the war going. Terror. Communism. Drugs. Nuclear nonsense. Oil. Freedom.

All that is nonsense. War is never about any of that. It's always about money. Root of all evil.

Michael Moore is an idiot and cares nothing more than what affects him - He is a liar, cheat and worthless waste of space - Jee! If he is so worried about us " common people" the what is his reason for living in a $2 million dollar penthouse and sending his daughter to private school? His only objective is to promote his ideology "the world according to Michael Moore"
He is right and the rest of us are WRONG - GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS AND THE REST OF THE GOOD PEOPLE IN THE USA WHO SERVE AND PROTECT US!

Just here to comment.

First of all let me just say that I'm not going to get invovled in the charming little pissing contest you kids have going on here . I'm just going to make some random statements that are some what related to this silliness. Why is the military bent on killing these so-called "insergents" in in Iraq ? They arent really insergents number one, and number two , isn't Bush aware that he is killing potential republicans? Most women from New York are shallow and completely dependant on men for money and housing. It is very entertaining to see guys like Aaron show how terrified of liberals the right has become (oh wait, the right has been terrified of libs ever since liberals established America, lol) Michael Moore is a visionary and his films are full of fact. If youd actually watch one of his films instead of beliving everything the GOP tells you about him, youd know that. Southerners, while charming and friendly, arew completely clueless politically and have nothing to contribute on that level. That is all. Have fun Im sure most of you are reasonably pissed by now (lmao) That should provide some decent fodder for further meaningless e-discussion. In case your wondering, yes i am a bored, lonley human being who uses trouble-making on the internet as a means of suplementing what little substance i have in my life. Have a great day, Andee, Harper, Ks.

I agree. We've reached a level of partisan politics that is just devastating both our economy and our position in world policy. That's the real issue - and it's going on - on BOTH sides of the aisle.
If we keep sniping at each other, nobody will see that and nothing will get done.
The energy being exerted here would make a monumental change if it were cooperative and focused on a goal. Then we could focus on another :-)

Just an idea, it was authored by somebody name Christ of Nazareth.

I have been called worse. I would like to know how red that neck is? Man you really have a hard-on for women and it shows. Other than your comments that I find to be easy to wade through, I do need to mention that spelling a word incorrectly one time is allowable because it may have been a typo but to continue repetitively, is showing that you were educated in Louisiana. Always sitting at 49 or 50 year in, and year out. The word is HINDER. Please look it up, you may be surprised at how simple it is.

I posted to the other complaint regarding George W. Bush earlier today and I also want to post to this one as well.

The reason why our country is in the dumps is simple: there is no rule of law. When the laws are twisted for people's personal gain, no one is safe. Every time Congress or the people want to pass a law or rule in this nation that benefits only themselves or a select few, there is an equal and opposite reaction from others. Like the Social Security operation. Every time the older crowd and SS sympatizers want to root more money out of the taxpayers (while usually not wanting to pay their fair share most of the time) the other taxpayers will respond. It's just that way in politics. What scares me about the USA is our willingness to subvert our form of law for a bogus and draconian legal system that really benefits no one but a extreme few. The problem is that since you people don't have the balls or the brains to vote in responsable politicians and hold them accountable for their promises, our country is turning into a giantic pigpen, courtesy of the double team tactics of the Democrat and Republican Parties.

Whining about people like Michael Moore is pointless. He does not care about your personal or economic freedom no more than those in Congress do. As long as people tolerate and goad on that kind of behavior in Washington the problems in america will get WORSE and WORSE.

I'd kindly like to hear what you think about what I said.

Debbie is obviously just waiting on the space ship that is following the next comet.

When did this post ever concern pregnant women being wrongfully fired?

You speak of free-speech but offer only a double standard of the free-speech concept. You want to be heard without other people commenting on what you say but yet you want to CHASTISE people for what they say. What the hell kind of philosophy is that? Sounds like another nut we know: MICHAEL MOORE.

NOBODY IS HENDERING YOUR FREE-SPEECH. The first amendment only states that the government will not enact any law that henders the right to say what is on your mind. People on a public thread can say whatever they want. Until somebody comes to your door and tapes your big mouth shut, nobody is hendering your free-speech. You're not very sharp are you?

You speak of being SECURE as a woman but obviously you don't feel secure with your gender. What do you know about feeling SECURE anyways? With each comment you post you only succeed in showing your INSECURITY.

I feel sorry for your husband. He probably has a very hard time figuring you out, especially when you speak. You haven't made any sense from the beginning of your rants and I don't suppose that fact will change much in the future. You need a therapist not a husband.

You are not helping your cause, you are only succeeding in making this thread longer than it actually is. You are wasting everybody's time.

Don't worry though, I'm sure there will be a comet come along real soon. Then we won't have to deal with your crazy statements anymore. I'm sure M.M. will save you a seat in first class.

DEBBIE, YOUR NAME SHOULD BE LOOPEY BECAUSE YOU ARE. MELINDA and ANITA ARE KOOKS, TOO! HOPE YOU DIDN'T FORGET THE BLACK NIKE's and sweat-suits!

NEW YORK. Most slave ships were owned by businessmen who were in New York. As a matter of FACT, there wasn't a single slave ship owned by a Southern port.

Did you know that Ulysses S Grant kept his slaves right up until the war was over. Another fact that will get you going is the fact that Northern states were the first to institute segregation laws. Trust me when I say the institution of slavery wasn't just a Southern thing. You people are truly in denial about factual history aren't you?

At least during slavery, THEY all worked. The welfare system wasn't draining our country dry, either. Yankees are just as much at fault as Southerners for slavery. Get your history straight you ignorant fool.

And there is a big difference. Until you are secure in yourself as a person and a woman you will have no clue. Michael Moore is being chastised, as I am, for excercising free speech. It is only because it is a concept foreign to you and many others. You spout off about how freedom isn't free but then you want to format that freedom to apply to only you, and others who think just as you. Give me a break. Tell YOUR husband to get off his A$$ and dust and dinner tonight is normally on the table by 5. YOU need to view the economics as they afect woman, they are negative and have always been. There are some changes for the better as by FEDERAL law woman can no longer be terminated from their positions due to pregnancy, ( I mean it does take 2 does it not?). So there have been some strides, and let me just tell you that if you ask my husband if I wear the pants here in this household he will tell you that WE do, yes.

CAN ROBERT IN DALE CITY TELL ME WHICH STATE STARTED SLAVERY????

CAN ROBERT IN DALE CITY TELL ME WHICH STATE STARTED SLAVERY????

CAN ROBERT IN DALE CITY TELL ME WHICH STATE STARTED SLAVERY????

It is Texino and I am sitting here working economic science. Each day I get this rebuttal email and when I check, it is this same topic going on and on with language as poor as anything from Tupper Lake. Now Tupper Lake is just a joke thing. I am afraid that the people who have grabbed this topic are not joking, nor are they discussing.

From where I sit, it seems a shame to waste the opportunity for open discussion by letting it degrade into name calling. Here in Cuba, we are beginning to be able to have some dialogue about things that are not right. We do it politely and after church though. To do it recklessly would invite trouble. When I say trouble, I mean the risk of imprisonment or death. If you were to base your arguments on the foundation that you might be tortured or killed for your statements, I should think you might not be so free with the screaming bad words to those who see things differently. Maybe if you can step back and look at all the foolish and violence tinted rhetoric on this topic, you might begin to see why other nations have little respect for the American people. Remember, you are the richest and most powerful of countries and that should cause the world to look up to you. However, the world reads English and the world devours what the internet spits out. So many forums, so many message boards are filled with American voices hating each other over movies or music or the interests of some celebrity. All of this selfish hate can do no good for your image and, in the end you may well wake up to find that your leaders have sold your assets overseas and left the average citizen of the US in a rather uncomfortable situation.

I doubt if many people will take heed to what I say. It is far easier to call me a name or just make up some lie as to the meaning of my words. Unfortunately very few Americans travel in order to see how they are perceived by the rest of the world. Were they to do so and just make some subtle changes in attitude and become more proactive in watching what their government is about, the USA would once again become the standard of how freedom and prosperity are judged.

It is ironic that I sit here in a dictatorship and talk about freedom. However, the irony is not forced, for even though our leader clings to an outmoded revolution, he does it solely for love of the nation and people. We could be so rich and much more comfortable by just making a few concessions to the West. Unfortunately, doing so would open up the corrupt practices of wealth. I would ask that you look toward Cuba in the next ten years. I fear that you will see its people overcome by the money which stands ready to pour in once President Castro leaves power. Mark my words, for you will see the poor remain poor and know that this fate could well befall the growing underclass in the USA as their economy is slowly taken over by the Euro-Markets. The signs are all there for anyone to see. I would hope you will read them and take charge of your nation and forgo this foolish bickering which places you where you are wanted by the enemies of your freedom.

Sincerely,

Anita, Kate, Debbie and Melinda obviously all feel threatened by the truth about what is going on in the world. They feel that the world would be a safer place with Saddam and Osama still in power. They feel that the French are our allies. They are all in denial of the truth.

They enjoy pointing the finger but can't handle it when someone points it back at them. They enjoy calling people names and acting like children, but don't think that it's anybody elses right to do that to them. They are typical of this "modern woman" concept that they have concocted. One thing is for sure, they are disgraceful as women.

These four beings (I stop short of calling them women for a reason) should learn to think for themselves. Obviously they aren't smart enough to rationally contemplate the situation in Iraq or the war on terrorism. These four would rather have something to whine about and probably depend on people like Michael Moore and Dan Rather to do their thinking for them.

They believe in creating truth, not observing truth. This post has absolutely nothing to do with where you are from. This post is about Michael Moore's film, not calling people names and making broad generalizations about Aaron's comments. He is a patriot, you four are not. Trust me when I say this: Aaron doesn't feel THREATENED by any of you. You would just like to believe that because you have no rational points to your arguments with him. With each post against him, you just make yourselves look worse.

Perhaps, you four believe that Afghanistan isn't a better place for women. Perhaps you believe that going over there to fight the Taliban wasn't worth it. Perhaps you four think that 9/11 didn't happen. I'm sure the families of the victims in this act of terrorism would disagree with you about your whining. You see, these people who died were just going to work. They didn't have a decision to make like deciding whether to join the armed forces or not. You should remember that Melinda and Debbie.

You three broads are seriously in denial. I can't say that I feel sorry for you, I just pity people like you.

Michael Moore is a liar. He is not a patriot. Anybody who believes M.M. to be a patriot, should realize that he has made his living not by telling the truth, but by shocking people with lies. Every film or so-called documentary he has made has been just as controversial as his last. You see, he is not smart enough to make anything worth seeing. He depends on people like Anita, Kate, Debbie and Melinda to help him in his unsubstantiated attacks against the Bush administration. I guess the idiots in this country are more dependent than they like to let on. What sad individuals these liberals and whiners are.

Anita, Kate, Debbie and Melinda should stop their whining before they make women as a whole look worse.

You two have absolutely made fools of yourselves. Anita is so smart that she doesn't even know what the original post is about, right Melinda?

Contrary to what you two believe, most MODERN WOMEN like yourselves can't manage a household. I'm sure you two have a hard time doing anything constructive with yourselves besides whining about how life and George Bush have done you wrong. You two are to be pitied. I can tell that you are related.

Although I don't agree with Aaron's harshness, I do believe in his concept concerning the whores from New York and the way in which most MODERN WOMEN act. It's sad what women have become, very sad.

Just like the last post said, you picked this fight with Aaron. You saw fit to comment on something that was long a dead issue on this thread. If you are going to dish it out, then you need to learn to take it.

Bottom line: Melinda and Anita aren't representative of what women should be. They are both whiners "playing the part of the victim." Neither offered any comments concerning Michael Moore nor did any of their hollow words provide any truth about anything.

I am ashamed that Melinda and Anita are from Knoxville, TN. Unlike these two, I was born and raised here. I am a conservative and support the war in Iraq. I am not a "bra-burning man-hatin' liberal" like Melinda and Anita. I have a college degree in business management and three sons who are all in the military. Two of which are Marines fighting in Iraq as we speak.

If I were to lose one of my sons in this war, it would be devastating, but the last thing I'd do is blame it on George Bush or conservatives. I wouldn't sit around whining about things either. You need to go back and re-read Aaron's comments. As harsh as he may sound, at least he is a patriot who's tired of listening to people like Melinda and Anita bash his country. Aaron has more substance in his little finger than Melinda and Anita put together.

One of these days, Melinda and Anita are going to wise about and see the truth about things. Right now they are just two sad women who think that people give a flying crap about their worthless opinions. If you two were capable of rational thought, you'd quit believeing in Michael Moore's lies and start thinking for yourself. Do you always let others do your thinking for you? A "modern woman" should think for herself. You two are extremely sad.

Melinda and Anita, why don't you tell us where you two "modern women" work? That way we will know to stay away from that business because they employee people who can't think clearly or rationally. Why don't you two move to Canada? You sure don't fit the Knoxvillian persona. Knoxvillians love their country. You two just want to whine.

You two have absolutely made fools of yourselves. Anita is so smart that she doesn't even know what the original post is about, right Melinda?

Contrary to what you two believe, most MODERN WOMEN like yourselves can't manage a household. I'm sure you two have a hard time doing anything constructive with yourselves besides whining about how life and George Bush have done you wrong. You two are to be pitied. I can tell that you are related.

Although I don't agree with Aaron's harshness, I do believe in his concept concerning the whores from New York and the way in which most MODERN WOMEN act. It's sad what women have become, very sad.

Just like the last post said, you picked this fight with Aaron. You saw fit to comment on something that was long a dead issue on this thread. If you are going to dish it out, then you need to learn to take it.

Bottom line: Melinda and Anita aren't representative of what women should be. They are both whiners "playing the part of the victim." Neither offered any comments concerning Michael Moore nor did any of their hollow words provide any truth about anything.

I am ashamed that Melinda and Anita are from Knoxville, TN. Unlike these two, I was born and raised here. I am a conservative and support the war in Iraq. I am not a "bra-burning man-hatin' liberal" like Melinda and Anita. I have a college degree in business management and three sons who are all in the military. Two of which are Marines fighting in Iraq as we speak.

If I were to lose one of my sons in this war, it would be devastating, but the last thing I'd do is blame it on George Bush or conservatives. I wouldn't sit around whining about things either. You need to go back and re-read Aaron's comments. As harsh as he may sound, at least he is a patriot who's tired of listening to people like Melinda and Anita bash his country. Aaron has more substance in his little finger than Melinda and Anita put together.

One of these days, Melinda and Anita are going to wise about and see the truth about things. Right now they are just two sad women who think that people give a flying crap about their worthless opinions. If you two were capable of rational thought, you'd quit believeing in Michael Moore's lies and start thinking for yourself. Do you always let others do your thinking for you? A "modern woman" should think for herself. You two are extremely sad.

Melinda and Anita, why don't you tell us where you two "modern women" work? That way we will know to stay away from that business because they employee people who can't think clearly or rationally. Why don't you two move to Canada? You sure don't fit the Knoxvillian persona. Knoxvillians love their country. You two just want to whine.

You two have absolutely made fools of yourselves. Anita is so smart that she doesn't even know what the original post is about, right Melinda?

Contrary to what you two believe, most MODERN WOMEN like yourselves can't manage a household. I'm sure you two have a hard time doing anything constructive with yourselves besides whining about how life and George Bush have done you wrong. You two are to be pitied. I can tell that you are related.

Although I don't agree with Aaron's harshness, I do believe in his concept concerning the whores from New York and the way in which most MODERN WOMEN act. It's sad what women have become, very sad.

Just like the last post said, you picked this fight with Aaron. You saw fit to comment on something that was long a dead issue on this thread. If you are going to dish it out, then you need to learn to take it.

Bottom line: Melinda and Anita aren't representative of what women should be. They are both whiners "playing the part of the victim." Neither offered any comments concerning Michael Moore nor did any of their hollow words provide any truth about anything.

I am ashamed that Melinda and Anita are from Knoxville, TN. Unlike these two, I was born and raised here. I am a conservative and support the war in Iraq. I am not a "bra-burning man-hatin' liberal" like Melinda and Anita. I have a college degree in business management and three sons who are all in the military. Two of which are Marines fighting in Iraq as we speak.

If I were to lose one of my sons in this war, it would be devastating, but the last thing I'd do is blame it on George Bush or conservatives. I wouldn't sit around whining about things either. You need to go back and re-read Aaron's comments. As harsh as he may sound, at least he is a patriot who's tired of listening to people like Melinda and Anita bash his country. Aaron has more substance in his little finger than Melinda and Anita put together.

One of these days, Melinda and Anita are going to wise about and see the truth about things. Right now they are just two sad women who think that people give a flying crap about their worthless opinions. If you two were capable of rational thought, you'd quit believeing in Michael Moore's lies and start thinking for yourself. Do you always let others do your thinking for you? A "modern woman" should think for herself. You two are extremely sad.

Melinda and Anita, why don't you tell us where you two "modern women" work? That way we will know to stay away from that business because they employee people who can't think clearly or rationally. Why don't you two move to Canada? You sure don't fit the Knoxvillian persona. Knoxvillians love their country. You two just want to whine.

You two have absolutely made fools of yourselves. Anita is so smart that she doesn't even know what the original post is about, right Melinda?

Contrary to what you two believe, most MODERN WOMEN like yourselves can't manage a household. I'm sure you two have a hard time doing anything constructive with yourselves besides whining about how life and George Bush have done you wrong. You two are to be pitied. I can tell that you are related.

Although I don't agree with Aaron's harshness, I do believe in his concept concerning the whores from New York and the way in which most MODERN WOMEN act. It's sad what women have become, very sad.

Just like the last post said, you picked this fight with Aaron. You saw fit to comment on something that was long a dead issue on this thread. If you are going to dish it out, then you need to learn to take it.

Bottom line: Melinda and Anita aren't representative of what women should be. They are both whiners "playing the part of the victim." Neither offered any comments concerning Michael Moore nor did any of their hollow words provide any truth about anything.

I am ashamed that Melinda and Anita are from Knoxville, TN. Unlike these two, I was born and raised here. I am a conservative and support the war in Iraq. I am not a "bra-burning man-hatin' liberal" like Melinda and Anita. I have a college degree in business management and three sons who are all in the military. Two of which are Marines fighting in Iraq as we speak.

If I were to lose one of my sons in this war, it would be devastating, but the last thing I'd do is blame it on George Bush or conservatives. I wouldn't sit around whining about things either. You need to go back and re-read Aaron's comments. As harsh as he may sound, at least he is a patriot who's tired of listening to people like Melinda and Anita bash his country. Aaron has more substance in his little finger than Melinda and Anita put together.

One of these days, Melinda and Anita are going to wise about and see the truth about things. Right now they are just two sad women who think that people give a flying crap about their worthless opinions. If you two were capable of rational thought, you'd quit believeing in Michael Moore's lies and start thinking for yourself. Do you always let others do your thinking for you? A "modern woman" should think for herself. You two are extremely sad.

Melinda and Anita, why don't you tell us where you two "modern women" work? That way we will know to stay away from that business because they employee people who can't think clearly or rationally. Why don't you two move to Canada? You sure don't fit the Knoxvillian persona. Knoxvillians love their country. You two just want to whine.

Willard,

Like Aaron, you should brush up on your reading comprehension skills. If, like me, you had read every posting on this page, you would know why I "picked" a fight with Aaron. He had continually posted comments that were degrading to others, specifically, women and New Yorkers. In a postscript to my post concernig the legitimacy of the documentary "9/11", I defended those two groups of people. Therefore my mention of my trips to New York was to prove that I knew from experience that New Yorkers are not horrible people. Perhaps you should read a little more before you try to respond.

As for the "rhetoric I spewed", what rhetoric? It's really difficult for you to accept that some crazy feminist has valid points, huh? The fact is that you and Aaron both feel threatened by an intelligent, articulate woman, end of story. Anyone, whether they agree with my opinions or not, can gather from my posts that I am not an idiot or inferior to either of you mentally. You can't formulate an argument any better than Aaron can.

How old are you guys, 13? I'm just asking because the last time I can remember someone responding to an argument with, "Oh yeah? Well, uh . . . you're just STUPID!" was in the 7th grade. Well, at least you graduated to the High School level when you accused me of being a l*****n and having a fear of intimacy. Hmmm? What was it I said in my last post? Oh yeah, "And I will fight and argue for women's equality until the day I die because men like you will always be there, knocking us down, pushing us around, labeling us as whores, sluts, dykes, witches, etc. just because we want to be treated and viewed as equals." Wanting equal pay for equal work, to be judged for my brains instead of my a*s and expecting a man to view me as something other than a maid or a doormat does not make me a man-hater or a l*****n. The fact that you think it does speaks volumes about the kind of man you are.
You were quick to point out in your response that this post is supposed to be dedicated to Michael Moore's film but you had nothing to say about it. My orginal post WAS dedicated to the original subject. If my feminist crusade is so ridiculous, why are you responding to it instead of the original post? You see, a real man, a grown-up, confident man, would not feel so threatened by the age-old subject of women's rights. If you had bothered to read my first post you might have found that we do, in fact, agree on some things. Diversity makes the world go 'round, not intolerance!

Quote:"Mothers love their own children more than they love life itself."
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Does the name "Susan Smith" bring anything to mind?
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Here's an interesting statistic from The American Anthropologolical Association:
"More than 200 women kill their children in the U.S. every year. Andrea Yates who drowned her five kids, and pediatrician Ellen Feinberg, of Champaign, Illinois, who stabbed her two young sons, one fatally, are not unique."
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I think your aforementioned quote should be prefaced by the qualification:"MOST mothers......" 'Ya think?
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Additional quote:"you two SORRY LOW LIFE scumbag individiuals".......Nice dialogue! Really adds substance and verve to your ramblings....NOT!
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Yeah, I know. This's off subject. Just like 60% or more of this tiresome, incredibly long, never ending diatribe.
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Who cares! Either watch the movie or don't. I would suggest watching it to form your own opinion. Why is it that America has now been turned into some big crusade. A crusade for whatever happens to be on their minds at the time. Like right now. I'm bored so I'd like to let all of you know how idiotic you sound. Watch the movie. Don't watch the movie. Who cares? Life is not black or white. It's grey. To be honest with you M.Moore is more of a patriot than most because he says what he thinks and believes no matter what anyone thinks. Who was it that said we should have a revolution every hundred years? Get a grip people. Live your own life. Don't be a slave someone elses ideas.

Butch and Aaron are you two crazy or what? How in the world could you say mean, ugly things to someone's mother who has died for you two SORRY LOW LIFE scumbag individiuals? You two should have to go over there yourself if you think it was such a proud way to die. But apparently you are sitting your tail in front of a computer trying to criticize and condemn an innocent mother of a fallen soldier!!! Let me tell you something from a Mother's point of view: Mothers love their own children more than they love life itself. There is no greater power of love except from the heavenly father and Lord Jesus Christ that will ever equal the love of most mothers! Of course we don't know your situation, maybe your mothers dumped you years ago and that is what caused your warped opinions. If that is the case may God have mercy on your soul because I have no mercy for people that cannot feel the pain a mother suffers when losing a child! By the way I have 3 children and would absolutely die if I had to bury one of my children. Thank you Debbie from LA for your sacrifice...I know this doesn't help much but my heart goes out to you and all mothers who have lost children no matter how it happened. By the way I love the south, being a home maker, and person with a full time career as I have done for 25 years while raising my children. My children are doing just fine as you can tell by my very intelligent daughter Anita from Knoxville.

Anita, you have truly lost your marbles with such rhetoric as you spewed in your last post. How do you expect to be taken seriously at this point?

You are not EQUAL either physically and definitely not mentally. You misinterpreted Aaron's statements. He was not attacking you until you started attacking him. You both are somewhat in the wrong, only Aaron makes sense and you don't.

You were actually the one who started the fight involving Aaron. He hadn't posted on this thread until you brought his name up. Good job Anita. If you are going to pick a verbal fight with somebody, you get what you deserve.

You've been to New York 4 times you say. Who cares. I couldn't even begin to give an accurate figure on how many times I've been there and dealt with its inhabitants but it's a hell of lot more times than 4. Aaron was correct in what he said about NY city. It is a cesspool just like Memphis, but that's a whole other post.

I'm getting off the subject here. This post is supposed to be dedicated to Michael Moore's movie not some bra-burning man-hatin' feminist crusade.

Where would women be without men? The same place men would be without women: making film documentaries based on lies and liberalism since they can't stand intimacy with someone of the opposite sex. Anita is one of these people.

Hey Anita, I hope your wife is proud of you! Ha! Ha!

Not at any point in your last post did you mention anything about Michael Moore's film. I for one agrre with Aaron that you are truly an idiot. The reason that you were so upset is because not only were you given a dose of your medicine but it is impossible for you to accept the truth about what Aaron has to say.

You go on and on about Aaron, but in the process of the inaacurate rants, you only make yourself look like the fool. You can't call people names like "inbreed" or "trailor-trash" and get mad when you are called the same names. You are a hypocrite to say the least.

Aaron wasn't running down women. You were. Just because women want to stay at home, doesn't mean they lose any of their self-respect. Just read Aaron's comments about the feminist movement and you'll seee what I mean.

Yes, you are a radical. A radical liberal feminist who can't handle the truth. It's people like you who support such garbage as Michael Moore's film. We wouldn't expect anything else out of you but garbage. YOU ARE THE IDIOT!

AARON IS 100% ON THE MONEY ON THIS POST. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS INACCURATE AND STUPID. YOU MAKE NO SENSE. YOU OFEER NOTHING TO THIS THREAD ABOUT MICHAEL MOORE's LIBERAL PROPAGANDA. YOU ARE THE ONE WITH COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS AND TRUTH BE KNOWN, YOU WRITE JUST LIKE ANOTHER LIBERAL FOOL ON THIS SITE. DON"T MAKE ME POST YOUR REAL IDENTITY.

NICE TRY FRUITCAKE!

AARON SHOULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT! HE KNOWS WHAT TRUTH IS AND ANITA, YOU KNOW ONLY LIES!

You say you are proud of Debbie's son's service. Yet you call his grieving mother names. This woman is heartbroken - not crazy. If you cannot understand that then please leave your computer immediately and run to the nearest church you can.
Tell the first person that you meet there, "I have used the feeling of power and anonymity I feel while privately using the internet. I send communication out to hurt other people. Recently, I called a dead soldier's mother names. I did it to hurt her and my soul is in imminent danger should I die today. Please lead to me salvation. Failing that, hit me on the head with a brick directly so that I may not hurt anyone else with my cruelty".

I know a small boy who knows better than to call names like stupid'. He is three years old. He learned it in pre-school. Butch, can't you understand how cruel you are? Why would you call a dead soldier's mother names? C'mon be human? Just a little.

Debbie the internet brings out the cruelty in those who have a predisposition for it. Like driving. They are left on their own, in private from their perspective. All that is ugly comes out of them and spews out. However, there are real people out in the world also. And they use the internet to try to assist or comfort others.

We will all, always, have political differences. That's been going on since the beginning of time. What is new is the intolerance with which Americans are now behaving. Sadam Hussein was intolerant of the views of others. Adolph Hitler was intolerant of the views of others.

I think it's time we stop behaving like that and get along. At least on the level that toddlers can accomplish.

MY son, like many others, was lied to by our fearless leader amongst others. MY son stood by his convictions and this was not a fight he wanted to be in, but followed orders. MY son's last letter questioned why we not going after the perpetratiors of 911, and he wondered why schools were being built in Iraq when our children at home are getting beat out scholastically by 3rd world countries. He also wondered why we cannot get medical care but our doctors are over there in droves providing FREE care to the people there. He also stated that unfortunatly that was the least WE as a nation could do since we took it upon ourselves to blow them up. Men, women and children. So no speaches to me about freedom, or homeland security. When you are fearful control is easy, just ask Bush he uses that well.

As far as my grandchild...he is not my son's child. He had none. So to all who think I am on the "pity-pot" you think as you like. Until you walk in my shoes or spend just one day as me then you have no right to say anything about it. So this conversation is over and God save OUR children.

You believe in Michael Moore's film because your son died in service to his country? You're crazy.

You obviously think that someone owes you something so it's no wonder you are a liberal feminist. Faye was correct in her assumptions.

As for Thanksgiving, you did what anybody would do except the part you left out about being a bitter old hag with a socialistic perspective on life.

I'm really sorry that your son lost his life. But last I checked, there is no draft, and he knew what he was getting into. If you want to be mad at someone your only choice should be your son.

"Reason" is a hard thing for some people to grasp. It's obviously very foreign to you.

I for one am proud of your son. He lost his life defending the ideals of his country. He gave the ultimate sacrifice fighting for freedom and a better world. You would think that a MOTHER would be proud also, but you would rather just sit and say "why me?" You would rather run-down the reasons for the war against terrorism that your son believed in. You are doing your son a disservice.

GOD BLESS AMERICA, even the liberal feminists like Debbie!

Aaron,
Let me see if I have the "jist" (sic) of what you are saying. (By the way, the word is "gist" with a "g").

You wrote: "Good skills for a homemaker have always included good cooking. I didn't say those were the only things that a woman are capable of doing. You're an idiot." Tell me more about what an idiot I am after looking at your own statements. You're right, Aaron, "a woman are capable of doing" lots of things and a "man are" too! This one is my favorite: "Homemaking skills used to be held in high regard but due to people like yourself, those skills are no longer looked upon as being favorable. You need to due some serious self-examination." Aaron, use a dictionary next time. The really funny part is that Debbie jokingly pointed out your mistaken use of "due" vs. "do" in her post. You then responded (as only a true moron would) by attempting to ridicule her for something you actually wrote first!

Furthermore, Aaron, you really need to brush up on those reading comprehension skills! I wrote: "For those of you who continually bash those of us from Tennessee, and Southerners in general, thanks to Aaron and others, I have this to say:

I am not fat, illiterate, inbred or white trash and I have never lived in a trailer park nor do I hate Northerners or New Yorkers." That statement was for all the non-Southerners who have posted insulting remarks to Southerners and Tennesseeans.(Wendy from Joplin, Missouri called us "the dumbest shits on the planet" and said that we "really shoudnt (sic) be allowed to vote"). If you would go back and really READ the other posts you would see that for yourself. Their insults were usually in response to your xenophobic tyrades. I was trying to defend my Southern heritage by making it clear that YOU are not a true representation of every Southerner out there. You see, if I represent myself in a clear, intelligent and coherent manner no one will accuse me of those nasty stereotypes that I mentioned.

Every time you write a rebuttal, Aaron, it's obvious that you don't understand most of what you have read. You are so ready to start firing off insults, especially to women and Northerners, that you don't take the time to formulate an intelligent response.

Here's another example of this:
You wrote, "I would sy (sic) that she's probably a good cook and home-maker too. Are you? Or are you just some MODERN women (sic) whoring around Manhattan who has no real useful skills?"
I responded to this archaic statement with, "And Aaron, useful skills for a woman do not = good cook and homemaker. People like you are the reason others see Southerners as ignorant backwoods rednecks. And yes, Aaron, I CAN cook, very well, but that's the least of my talents and my brainpower."

Your response to this was: "Good skills for a homemaker have always included good cooking. I didn't say those were the only things that a woman are capable of doing. You're an idiot. It's militant feminists like yourself who try and make homemakers who are women look bad. Homemaking skills used to be held in high regard but due to people like yourself, those skills are no longer looked upon as being favorable . . .It's militant feminists like yourself who have made home-making women feel inferior. I didn't say anything about these ladies not having any brain power. Get a life and stop trying to act like a victim all the time."

Can you please point out where, exactly, I wrote that "home-making women" are inferior or that they don't have any "brain power"? You can't, can you? I was pointing out, to you, the fact that "real useful skills" for a woman have nothing to with baking a pie, sewing, vacuuming, washing dishes or any of that other 1950's bullshit that most MODERN WOMEN can do with one hand tied behind their back and still have a full-time career! What I am saying is that a woman's self-worth should not be tied to her home-making abilities. Viewpoints like yours are what made me into the "militant feminist" that you say I am. (Thank you for that, by the way. I don't know about the "militant" part, but I'm definitely a feminist. And I will fight and argue for women's equality until the day I die because men like you will always be there, knocking us down, pushing us around, labeling us as whores, sluts, dykes, witches, etc. just because we want to be treated and viewed as equals.) If that statement makes a woman (not you, Aaron, you don't count) feel inferior then she can respond.

And finally, what the hell does this statement mean? "Say what you will but I doubt very seriously that you have spent much time in New York. Either that or you know how to speak several foreign languages and enjoy not hearing people speak English." The only reply I have to that insanely absurd statement is that I never stated the amount of time I spent in New York. I have been to New York exactly four times, all pre-9/11, and it's a wonderful place if you're not a bigoted, narrow-minded,woman-oppressing, redneck simpleton.

As for your "REAL-LIFE" experiences that back up your philosophy, I would love to hear all about them. However, I very seriously doubt that you'll read this without making incorrect inferences and assumptions about what you "think" I said; so you'll never actually get around to making a valid point. Once again, Aaron, reading comprehension is very important. All of us "militant feminists" are using it every day to support our "radical" views on equality.

Dear Lady on behalf of all of us, please allow me to apologize. Your son is gone and my heart hurts for you. Is the grandchild you mention the child of your son? I hope you say yes - so I'll know that you still have a piece of him, with you.
You say that he died for nothing. And I've heard all the nasty things that were said on this page. I want YOU to know from ME that I am grieving for you. I come from a service family too. It's impossible for anyone to truly empathize if they haven't served but you would think they could be human enough to at least sympathize.
I know that some things have been accomplished. I know that there aren't any more killing fields being dug. And the children in the outlying areas are going to school. Water systems and sewers were built. It's a terrible thing war and I was asked the other day by someone who just doesn't understand. Why do we help other countries? Especially when they won't help us when we need it? I guess it's because we can. And we know that we should. I guess it's because we don't believe in the media but do believe in God.
I guess it's because we can see suffering in other people and want to help them. That makes us different.

I don't know about all the economic going's on. And I think there are corrupt people involved, just because there always have been. But in the middle we have the soldiers. The ones who go out and give all they have to do the right thing. I know that a pastor is present where they are excavating one of these killing fields'. And there were young women, babies and some unborn found. One mother was holding her child when they were both shot in the head.

I pray that you know that no matter what anybody else says here, you know that this has stopped for those people. That's all this is really about. I don't care who makes money. I don't care what the Democrats, Republicans, CBS, ABC or Dan Rather have to say about anything.

I know that your son, along with so many others have stopped this murder for those people. I know they'll go to school. I know they'll have food, water and electricity and an opportunity to have a real life. It isn't a quick fix to overcome the type of abuse and genocide that's been going on over there. To go from living under the rule of a tyrannical dictator who cut of limbs and held mass executions. He GASSED his own people! And I know that freedom comes with a very, very high price.

I am so sorry you lost your son. Please, if that is his child, tell the child what his father did. And why he did it. Don't let him believe the media. This was about real people.
I'm praying for you and for your sick grandchild. God bless you

And to those who responded in an attacking way to this woman saying she has lost her son shame on you. SHAME on you for your horrific and frightening lack of humanity. What filth you are, and do not call yourselves right wing, Christian or Republican. You lie. Your actions will always tell on you. And your posts here are absolutely evil.

Republican Democrat whatever you claim to be is no excuse to treat each other badly. The Christians in this country are ashamed of the way you behave. All of us. We are exhorted by God himself to love one another. And here is a lady who reveals that her son has died in war and you speak so cruelly. What horrible people you are.

It doesn't matter who you are, what you do for a living, whether you are dirt poor or magnificently wealthy. If you have no capacity for the value of another human you have nothing.

So either apologize and play nice or shut up.

I have been reading these postings and cannot believe the way so called intelligent people get drawn and sucked in. First of all Aaron, you need to take a trip to N.Y. and travel in a 60 mile radius in all directions before you make any accusations. I have to agree with the woman from N.Y., your just mad and taking it out on everybody. Also keep in mind Aaron, that the transplanted NYKRS in the south have bought growth and prosperity to what was nothing but a tobbaco field between Virginia and Florida across to the mighty Missippi. Lady in N.Y. your one in 18 million people. If your really paying $30,000 per month, that means you make $1,000,000 per year. If this is the case, than you obviously have brains why are you cat fighting with everybody, seems to me that your only real insight to the N.Y. Elite club, was watching Sex and the City. Aaron is right there are alot of liberal gold digging women with no judgement or common sense, thinking that there going to hook a rich guy. Guess what girls I work in N.Y. most of these guys just want to get laid. Aaron also, watch Jerry Springer, Maury, etc and where do these people come from (deep in the heart of dixie). You should really think before you write.

Let me begin with...How was your Thanksgiving?
Let me tell you about mine. This was the FIRST of many to come, I am sure, that I spent without my only son. You know the one, IF you read this whole mess you would know, who died for NOTHING. Let Bush send his daughters over there, oh that's right this is a good time NOT to be a feminist according to you.

I also was sitting bedside with my 8 month old grandson who has been in the hospital for the last 15 days with an unknown infection and they are trying to find the source so it can be treated with the correct antibiotic. So this "feminist" didn't cook a turkey or dressing this year, but I do hope yours wasn't too dry.
I am sure that you the NON-feminist made a wonderful dinner. I am sure you wouldn't let minor things, as your son or grandson, get in the way of your festivities as the good woman should. I am sure that YOUR husband would never have understood. MINE on the other hand made a wonderful meal that he brought to the hospital for myself, my daughter, and my 3 yr old grand daughter. No not turkey but it was a fine dinner, made from love not obligation.
I am also very sure that IF you worked side by side with a group of gentleman and you made much less pay (by the way statistically you already do), and the company said to you, that you are not entitiled to benefits because you are SUPPOSSED to be covered by a husband instead. I am sure that you the NON-feminist would be just fine with that. There are of course social programs if you need them, (the ones set up by the Democtrats). Now let's see that would never happen cause you were a stay at home mom, who made sure you children were home schooled so they grow up being social outcasts. So as not to offend this Stepford Wife mentality you find comfort in, I will with my bipolar self just stop. But I want you to know that your mental state has been the cause of many woman dying in back rooms with hangers, and from breast cancer, (it just doesn't affect enough men yet, for enough research money). You are also the reason there ever was the need for a battered women's shelter. Go check one out (not in your red hat or with your hand-me-downs)and see how those GOOD WOMEN and their children are affected by the abuse.
Oh and by the way...how many of your children have died today?

Here's what you said: "The best way is to anger you so that you throw truth at them. This way they have more ammunition to throw at you." WHAT?
What TRUTH? Better yet, what have you offered that has anything to do with the truth?

"This way they have more ammuntion to throw at you." What the.....? If you were offering the truth, how would they have more ammunition?

Are you bipolar?

I have no idea what it was that you hoped to explain with your comments. I do know that you offered no real reasons why you believe in Moore's film. I do know that you have done a very poor job, if not ineffective, of destroying anybody's credibility concerning their comments on this thread.

Debbie, YOU are the one to be pitied.

YOU should learn to explain yourself in a more proficient means, rather than just picking up the torch of liberalism with no real concept of what truth actual is. As a women, you should learn to be stronger than your hormones which sometimes cloud the truth for you. That's obvious.

Maybe one day you will come to the TRUE conclusion that the feminist movement is what destroyed the working concept of what a woman should be. Trust me, you are not a good example of what a STRONG woman is. You are just another sheep following the liberal shepard of lies. You are just another sheep who believes that Moore's film is true. And, you are just another weak woman who believes that you are more than you actually are. Feminism doesn't empower you, it only serves to handicap you as a women. You must earn your place, not expect it.

When in doubt just accuse people of being members in a fundamentalist islamic terrorist organization, right? You are someting else!

You speak of believing in Michael Moron's movie 99% and yes that is your right as a citizen of the USA. Nobody is hendering your rights as an American. I'm sure you probably play the part of the "victim" as much as possible just like what Michael Moron portrays in his movie about the American people. Once again, it's your right to be in denial about the truth. Obviously, from your comments, you are.

I will add your name to list of people which are a disgrace to South. It just amazes me how people like you, Debbie, talk about truth but misrepresent it every chance you get.

Can you just answer one question for me please? What is the 1% that you don't agree with? C'mon now, be accurate. Do your homework. Give us a REAL intellectual answer, not a bunch of liberal rhetoric. Of course you don't even know how to spell RHETORIC, do ya?

Oh yeah, it's "DO" not "DUE"! You really make the South look illiterate. You should be ashamed of yourself. I guess you enjoy sticking your foot in your mouth regularly.

Good luck with your socialist agenda. Al Queda would be proud of you spinning the truth. Maybe they have a place for you within their organization of lies. Oooooh! Sorry! You wouldn't want to be a part of something that is not truthful, right? NOT! Get a life!

After reading the retoric that both AAron and Robert spew, it dawned on me that they were actually members of Al Qaida and just trying to infiltrate the general public. The best way is to anger you so that you throw the truth at them. This way they have more ammunition to throw at you. It is a game with them and that is how they have played since the beginning. I will never feel that we, the United States are justified in this war, but that is a personal choice. I believe 99% of Moore's movie, it is hard not to when you see OUR congressmen and woman ducking for cover at the thought of enlisting their child. So because I live in the United States I can say and think as I want to. The members of Al Qaida on the other hand cannot. So when AAron wants to know if you DUE something, just pity him alright, it is the best way to handle it.

You need to go back an re-read what I wrote. Obviously you did get the jist of what I was saying. It's militant feminists like yourself who have made home-making women feel inferior. I didn't say anything about these ladies not having any brain power. Get a life and stop trying to act like a victim all the time. People like you are the problem, not men like me.

Say what you will but I doubt very seriously that you have spent much time in New York. Either that or you know how to speak several foreign languages and enjoy not hearing people speak English.

It's people like you who give the South a bad name with your unsubstantiated ramblings about nothing. At least I can back my philosophy up with REAL-LIFE experiences. Can you, silly rabbit?

Good skills for a homemaker have always included good cooking. I didn't say those were the only things that a woman are capable of doing. You're an idiot. It's militant feminists like yourself who try and make homemakers who are women look bad. Homemaking skills used to be held in high regard but due to people like yourself, those skills are no longer looked upon as being favorable. You need to due some serious self-examination.

I don't hate women and I never said that. Women are just as capable of doing whatever a man does with very few exceptions. Look what that "woman" Michael Moore has done.

Oh yeah, and by the way, I hold the Southern Culture in very high regard. It's people like you who make it look bad. Any idiot would know about the whole "inbreeding" and "un-educated" stereotypes. You are the defintions of the stereotype.

Robert:
You say that the film "Farenheit 9/11" is a "rip-off" and that Michael Moore is a "Loud Mouth who trashes this Country".

If you or "Tammy from Lowville, New York" had bothered to watch the film, your comments might be taken more seriously. If you had seen the film, you would know that, not once, did Moore "trash" our country. In fact, he pointed out, much as others have, that the root of this "war" has much more to do with OIL and BIG BUSINESS than anything else and is therefore a needless WASTE and DESTRUCTION of the brave women and men who are fighting it. There is also a section of the film that interviews U.S. troops in Iraq as well as a piece on the family of a soldier who was killed in Iraq that you should both see before you post opinions. Having an opinion on something that you refuse to see for yourself is exactly what allows you to be the "sheep" that those in power want you to be.

You can't write a valid argument unless you know what you're arguing against. Which leads me to the question: What, exactly, are you arguing against? Yes, I know, "the film is a rip-off and it's not a documentary because it's not factual . . .blah blah blah. Are YOU factual, Robert? Have you backed up YOUR claims here? You have the opportunity, you have an open forum to tell us about all the "lies" in the film, where is it? Your statements and opinions mean nothing, I want documented, officially sourced proof of the lies. But then maybe I will just refuse to read them but still write an opinion about how what you have stated is nothing but lies. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

I have to say that I am definitely what people refer to as a "bleeding heart liberal" and I have seen Moore's film. What I did not see in the film is proof that his opinions and statements were FACTS. So can you guess what I did? I went out and researched the truth for myself! What a concept! Just because I'm a liberal doesn't mean that I have "my head in my butt"--look around Robert, where's your head? And by the way, according to "Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary" the following definitions can be found for the word "documentary": adj 1:consisting of or being documents; also: contained or certified in writing ("documentary" proof) 2: giving factual material in artistic form (a "documentary" film). So, you see, it can't be said that the film "Farenheit 9/11" is not a documentary because anyone who HAS seen it would know that it most definitely contains very real and factual media clips, interviews, congressional sessions and military discharge papers for Bush, Jr.

What one CAN say is that Michael Moore's opinions and statements in "Farenheit 9/11" are backed up by media clips and interviews that offer no real proof. For that he is just as guilty as the rhetoric-spewing right wing media currently taking hold of households across America on Fox News each night. And once again we're back to the "sheep" thing. I watch Fox News occasinally so I'll know what I'm arguing against. I don't shut it out because I disagree, I listen and learn because I disagree. I watched "Farenheit 9/11" because I wanted to KNOW if I agree, I researched the claims made in the film because I wanted to KNOW if I agree, and I do. Our country and our government are two separate things: I LOVE MY COUNTRY BUT I FEAR MY GOVERNMENT! Are you that sure of yourself Robert, or do you just gather little bits of information and then tune out what you don't agree with? Give it some thought.

Finally, of course Michael Moore is making money from his film! You may not realize this but making a documentary or any other kind of film requires many, many hours of work. That's his JOB, he is a filmmaker! We all make money doing our jobs, that's the way it works. He just happens to be in a business that is much more lucrative than most. After all the MINDLESS SLUDGE that Hollywood passes off on us as entertainment year after year, this is the person you want to be angry at for making money?

Furthermore, Robert, you should be ashamed of yourself for writng what you did to "Debbie from Slidell, LA.". She lost her only son to a "war" waged by an administration that you support. You get to sit on your a*s and write posts against this film because of his and her sacrifice! How dare you act so flippant about another human being's life! And how hypocritical of you to spout off all this nonsense about others "trashing" our country and how "necessary" these wars are and then treat the mother of a man who gave his life for our country that way! Who's REALLY trashing our country here? I think most of us know.

P.S.
For those of you who continually bash those of us from Tennessee, and Southerners in general, thanks to Aaron and others, I have this to say:
I am not fat, illiterate, inbred or white trash and I have never lived in a trailer park nor do I hate Northerners or New Yorkers. During my visits to New York I found most of the people there some of the nicest, most interesting and charming people I've ever met. And Aaron, useful skills for a woman do not = good cook and homemaker. People like you are the reason others see Southerners as ignorant backwoods rednecks. And yes, Aaron, I CAN cook, very well, but that's the least of my talents and my brainpower.

Hey there Robert, along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

I've just purchased the Fahrenheit 9/11 DVD, and found it to be spectacular! After viewing it, one would think, that Kerry would without a doubt, win the votes of all minorities, especially after witnessing the republican's blatant deceit first hand.

One would also think, that each and every scam victim would vote for Kerry, because it was the republican's, that slowly depleted the agencies, which once safeguarded consumers.

The part of the documentary, which I've found most intruiging, is the part when Michael Moore walked on the streets of capitol hill, attempting to get members of congress to enlist their own children into the U.S military. Funny $h!t!

I'm sorry to say, that when the nation had been under attack, Mr. Bush didn't seem to be the same confident man as we've all known him to be, and he definitely didn't seem to have any plan of action. Seven minutes?

Robert- I mean no disrespect, however, I must disagree with you when stated, "Michael Moore has gotten rich off of half truths, speculation and outright lies". I think you meant to say the republicans, and not Michael Moore.

For the record, could you please explain to the general public, exactly which parts of Fahrenheit you suspect of being staged?

I strongly feel, that maybe it's Bush personally, that the vast majority of the middle east, along with many other countries, do not appreciate and not the "American lifestyle" as suggested.

Very little of the American lifestyle has changed throughout the years, not considering the economy, technology and the likes, but rather the American culture in general.

Seems as though, the fall out between the Middle East and America, just may have more to do with the Bush's and Bin Ladin's personal business relationship, as opposed to the American way of life. Kahoots maybe?

This is just my assumption however, I could very well be wrong. Anyways, gots to go for now.

Until next time, take care Robert along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. Nighty night Everyone.

The following is my answer to John's questions and accusations.

You mention all the measures that the Bush administration has been trying to put in place thriugh Homeland Security. The senate which includes Kerry and Edwards keep throwing up roadblocks.You are mentioning nothing new but Kerry and Edwards are claiming they will get it done.

Actually, if you do your homework you will find out that Republicans in the senate are trying to prevent Democrats from adding $20 billion to the $33 billion fiscal year 2005 homeland security spending bill. Also, House Ways and Means Chairman Bill Thomas, R-Calif, on Monday discussed his concerns over a provision the Senate added to extend Customs Service user fees to pay for $784 million in additions to the $32 billion measure. The matter has held up consideration of the bill because Thomas is threatening to lodge a "blue slip" objection to the Customs Service fee extension since it violates the constitutional requirement that all revenue measures originate in the House. So, John Kerry and Edwards have nothing to do with the hold up in the senate.

I still want to know how???
Are they going to give Homeland Security more teeth? Do they have a different approach than a Homeland Security Department? Are they going to leave it up to FBI, CIA, Other????
I am not asking for specific bills. Obviously they don't want a Homeland Security department because they claim that Bush's way is wrong.

You view things in black and white a little too much. There is a gray area that you have to understand. There are very little true right and wrongs in homeland protection policies. Just variations of ideas. He never said the dept of homeland security was wrong. He said he has a etter way of doing it, with which most experts agree. He proposes creating a fund to hire 100,000 firefighters and continuing the Community Oriented Policing Services program beyond its goal of hiring 100,000 police. He also, supports legislation to create a national intelligence director and counterterrorism center and establishing a separate service within FBI dedicated to intelligence. Aother thing he supports is legislation by Sen. Jon Corzine, D-N.J., requiring chemical plants to enhance security. He also proposes a new community service program to serve as a national neighborhood watch and expanded national service opportunities for young people. Hope that gives you a better idea.

As far as his plan to rebuild Iraq, France and Germany have already announced that they will be part of no plan no matter who is president. How does he plan to "mend this fence"?

For starters there are more countries than Germany and France. He has spoken of holding a world summit and getting more countries to commit troops. I will admit. It may not work. But our current coalition consists of 90% US troops. Many other countries we list in the coalition just said they would stand by us but didn't even send troops. Like Morocco, not one troop, but they did offer to send 2000 monkeys to detonate landmines. The Philippines only had 51 troops. And Australia is probably going to pull out all its troops in 2005. The Afghanistan army is OUR army. If you take the coalition apart you realize jut how much of the burden the US carries and it is ridiculous. The coalition only has one real significant ally and that is Britain, and there is much civil unrest in Britain to bring them home ASAP. The small coalition is falling apart. HOWEVER, the U.S.'s best ally is the newly trained Iraqi military. They have done more than the rest of the coalition combined. John Kerry wants to increase training of the Iraqi military. By starting more training programs and bringing Iraqis to other locations for training. That is how he plans to get us out of Iraq and I, like many Americans, believe it will work.

You ignorant comment about Cheney and Halliburton is just a repeat of the democratic claim that is unfounded. The salary that Cheney receives is deferred payments. This can not be changed either higher or lower and was agreed to years ago. You Kerry supporters hear the facts but refuse to accept them.
I don't think that my comment about Heinz was newarly as ignorant. Even though she is "just a stockholder" as you put it she still can have influence over the companies practices.

He receives deferred payments even though MOST were paid before 2001, BUT he also has stock options in the company. The stock options are the criminalizing point, not the deferred payments. He just recently arranged for his stock options to be sold off and donated to charity after the scandal around his stock options got heated up ad was reflecting badly on the VP candidate sparking debate over whether Bush should drop him as VP. So, don't tell me at the time of war that he did not have a personal interest in Halliburton's no-bid contracts.

Also, please tell me what decision making board Teresa sits on. As there are none. The only board she sits on is that of Environmental Defense, a philanthropic environmental group.

Sadaam may not have had proven ties to 9-11 but he does have proven that the is making the payments to the suicide bombers families all over the world. Are you saying that all the war on terror is related to 9-11?? You are now saying that we should not have gone in but Kerry's own interviews and speeches from last year are saying we absolutely should have deposed him.
Kerry had the exact same information as Bush about Sadaam because he was on the intelligence committee. He still voted to give the president and supported him all the way. Why is he reversing now???

Iran, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, all fund terrorists. Yet, we are friends with the Saudis. Why is it that we ignore the clear terrorist ties in other countries yet use them for justification on war in Iraq. Hell, we are even close to the Saudis whose embassies have funded terrorism IN THE U.S. Yes, the war on terror is related to 9-11. We were not fighting this war pro-actively and aggressively until 9/11. Do you have a disagreement with that statement?

Kerry has stated before that he gave Bush the right to war AS A LAST RESORT. They in the senate were told that Bush would do everything in his power before going to war. Instead we rushed to war without UN approval with a VERY small coalition of countries we offered free trade agreements and economic benefits to in order to get them to join. Instead of holding a world summit on how to sanction and control the Iraqi government. Now we see that Saddam was on his way out with no weapons and falling power and all he needed was a good kick in the a*s by the world, not a US a*s-whipping that has cost the lives of over 1,050 young men and women.

Kerry claims that Bush want to reinstate the draft. The bill was introduced by democratic senators and the president is opposed to it.

Yes, introduced by a few and struck down by the rest. You cant blame a party for the actions of 2 congressmen. Kerry is also opposed to it. However, the stop-loss program is allowing the military to continue enlistments and threaten to send enlistees to Iraq if they do not renew their contracts. That is just as bad. With the current war the US military is 40,000 troops short. We are going to need more and thanks to the war in Iraq and all the offensives coming form the axis of evil the draft may become eminent. Neither party says they want a draft, but the war is making it hard to get around.

How come Kerry won't come out about CBS's accountability? Could it be because either someone in his group or the DNC released the information?

The DNC has nothing to do with that story. The gentleman who supplied the documents came to many mainstream and independent media outlets including a site I have done feature writing for, RawStory.com. RawStory ran a similar story in August, the Boston Globe picked it up in mid August and CBS ran their version of it in September. The DNC has nothing to do with it.

Joshua, some of your comments scare me. If you believe John Kerry when he is "Proven" wrong I am afraid of what this country could become

How was Kerry Proven wrong? You say that with no inference as to how. Your opinion is not a proven fact.

There are ads that claim Bush is racist and is trying to stop blacks from voting. How come there are no minorities on Kerry's staff? They are only using Jesse Jackson as a mouthpiece.

Katherine Harris, one of Bush's campaign advisors and head of Florida voting, hired a company called Database Technologies to filter out ex-felons. However, it filtered out people with names the same as or close to those of felons and people with addresses close to those of felons. Database told her this would happen and she told them to do it regardless. This made it very difficult for many black people to vote and many did not file an appeal. Seeing as blacks are stereotypically democrats number say this cost Gore around 1100 votes. Bush is not a racist, but this flaw, on the behalf of his advisor, in the state his brother is Governor of, cost many black voters their rights as Americans. This just seems a little suspicious to many people. Here is an example from the Telegraph.
::Mr Lawrence, a Baptist deacon and grandfather from a poor black district of Tampa, has cause to be suspicious. Shortly before the 2000 election, he was told he had no legal right to vote, as he was a felon, a serious criminal who had never received clemency from the state.
The letter was wrong, as it was for thousands who were wrongly placed on the 2000 voter "purge list". Many had already received clemency, and others were victims of mistaken identity.
Mr Lawrence was one of tens of thousands struck off voter rolls in 2000 accused of being ex-convicts and convicted felons. A Florida law dating from the slave era bans those convicted of a felony from voting unless granted clemency by the governor.
Mr Lawrence, a former civil rights worker, spent months scouring court records back to 1962 before proving his right to vote. "You can imagine how many people didn't take the time I did, and just gave up," he said.
"I believe what happened last time was systematic; it ran through the governor right to the president," he said. "I hope my vote will be counted this time."::


With the comments he made about the other candidates it is obvoiously an act that him, Lieberman, and Dean are on the same page. The only reason Edwards is is because he want to be VP and hopes to be pres later.

He has Edwards for Southern likeability, no doubt about it. But you have to admit Edwards, and Cheney, did a good job on Tuesday's debate.

Hope this has cleared things up for you and answered your questions.

You mention all the measures that the Bush administration has been trying to put in place thriugh Homeland Security. The senate which includes Kerry and Edwards keep throwing up roadblocks.You are mentioning nothing new but Kerry and Edwards are claiming they will get it done.

I still want to know how???
Are they going to give Homeland Security more teeth? Do they have a different approach than a Homeland Security Department? Are they going to gleave it up to FBI, CIA, Other????

I am not asking for specific bills. Obviously they don't want a Homeland Security department because they claim that Biush's way is wrong.

As far as his plan to rebuild Iraq, France and Germany have already announced that they will be part of no plan no matter who is president. How does he plan to "mend this fence"?

You ignorant comment about Cheney and Halliburton is just a repeat of the democratic claim that is unfounded. The salary that Cheney receives is deferred payments. This can not be changed either higher or lower and was agreed to years ago. You Kerry supporters hear the facts but refuse to accept them.
I don't think that my comment about Heinz was newarly as ignorant. Even though she is "just a stockholder" as you put it she still can have influence over the companies practices.

Sadaam may not have had proven ties to 9-11 but he does have proven that the is making the payments to the suicide bombers families all over the world. Are you saying that all the war on terror is related to 9-11?? You are now saying that we should not have gone in but Kerry's own interviews and speeches from last year are saying we absolutely should have deposed him.

Kerry had the exact same information as Bush about Sadaam because he was on the intelligence committee. He still voted to give the president and supported him all the way. Why is he reversing now???

Kerry claims that Bush want to reinstate the draft. The bill was introduced by democratic senators and the president is opposed to it.

How come Kerry won't come out about CBS's accountability? Could it be because either someone in his group or the DNC released the information?

Joshua, some of your comments scare me. If you believe John Kerry when he is "Proven" wrong I am afraid of what this country could become. There are ads that claim Bush is racist and is trying to stop blacks from voting. How come there are no minorities on Kerry's staff? They are only using Jesse Jackson as a mouthpiece.

With the comments he made about the other candidates it is obvoiously an act that him, Lieberman, and Dean are on the same page. The only reason Edwards is is because he want to be VP and hopes to be pres later.

"I would like to know what John Kerry's position is. He says he has a better plan for Homeland Security. What is It?"

Track And Stop Terrorists
Many of the intelligence problems that allowed terrorists to slip into our country before 9/11 have not been addressed. John Kerry and John Edwards will improve our ability to gather, analyze, and share information so we can track down and stop terrorists before they cause harm.

Protect Our Borders And Shores
Today, our borders, our ports, and our airports are not as secure as they must be. John Kerry and John Edwards will make our airports, seaports, and borders more secure without intruding upon personal liberties.

Harden Vulnerable Targets
Chemical industry lobbying has kept the Bush administration from strengthening security at chemical plants, where an attack could endanger 1 million Americans. John Kerry and John Edwards will always put Americans' safety ahead of big business interests and take strong measures to harden likely targets-including nuclear plants, trains, and subways-against possible attack.

Improve Domestic Readiness
Our first defenders will respond to any attack with courage and heroism-but they also need the equipment and manpower to do the job. John Kerry and John Edwards will back up their words with resources and ensure that America's first responders have everything they need to protect their communities.

Guard Liberty.
We must always remember that terrorists do not just target our lives - they target our way of life. John Kerry and John Edwards believe in an America that is safe and free, and they will protect our personal liberties as well as our personal security.

I know that is vague. It is from the John Kerry website, but you cant spell out every bill you need to pass action that needs to be taken. Most Americans would be too confused. But atleast you get the idea.

"He has a better plan for rebuilding and getting out of Iraq?? What is it???"

He discussed this very well at the debate. He will hold a an international summit and try to mend the fences Bush broke in order to get international assistance. He will increase Iraqi troop training so the Iraqis can defend themselves. Those are just a few things. Read his website and some of the DP press releases for more information.

"He has a better plean for the economy. What is it? He says outsourcing jobs to other companies is a problem but his wife's company does it?"

For starters that is such an ignorant comment. Heinz is a publically traded company and Teressa has very-little to NO say in their policies. Just because she married one of the major shareholders doesn't entitle her to make corporate decisions. If you want to talk about people with ties to crooked companies look at d**k Cheney and Haliburton. He still recieves a paycheck from them and has stock in the company and we started a war with Iraq KNOWING Haliburton would get no-bid contracts if we go to war in a hurry because they had them during the desert storm and would have no time for a bidding process.

Here is what Kerry says he will do for the economy. If you want to know more just visit his website.

Create Good-Paying Jobs
As president, John Kerry will cut taxes for businesses that create jobs here in America instead of moving them overseas. John Kerry and John Edwards will also stand up for workers by enforcing our trade agreements.

Cut Middle-Class Taxes To Raise Middle-Class Incomes
When John Kerry is president, middle-class taxes will go down. Ninety-eight percent of all Americans and 99 percent of American businesses will get a tax cut under the Kerry-Edwards plan.

Make Washington Live Within A Budget
John Kerry will cut the deficit in half during his first four years in office. He will end corporate welfare as we know it, roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and impose a real cap to keep spending in check. And when John Kerry puts forward a new idea, he'll tell you how he's going to pay for it.

Invest In The Jobs Of Tomorrow
Today, businesses are harnessing new technology to manufacture energy-efficient cars, high-grade steel, advanced plastics and other new products. And this requires a bigger, skilled labor force to make them. John Kerry and John Edwards believe we should invest in these jobs and invest in the people who will fill them.

"He says we have to win back our allies. Are we out for them or for ourselves????"

C'mon. That doesn't even make sense. The more true allies we have the more assistance we will have in the war on terror and in fighting foreign wars. That is a no-brainer. By having a rogue nation persona thanks to Bush we have alienated some of our closest allies and have had to take on a way where we do 90% of the war ourselves when we wouldn't have had to if Bush had not been in such a mad dash to war and would have exhausted all recources before war.

"That debate was a joke. It was scripted. How can any of you formulate a position one way or the other?"

The debate was a joke to you because most Americans felt Kerry won.

"You all who are anti war and say you hate Bush because of it. Would you all hate him if he left things alone and more terrorists attacked our citizens abroad?"

Sigh. Saddam had no ties to terrorism. Don't believe me? Read the 9/11 Commission Report. The war in iraq is not the war on terror. These are two separate issues. We are failing in the war on terror by taking special forces troops away from the puruit of Osama and putting them in Iraq. Also, terrorism has gone up thanks to out takeover of Iraq. We found out that Saddam was such a strong armed dictator that he ws keeping terrorists out of Iraq. The war in Iraq gave new legions of Islamic extremists reason to hate us. Now, Iraq is a breeding ground for new terrorist cells with the sole intention to harm the US. So, Bush's actions have made terrorism worse, not better.

"I am just asking for facts and what these plans are. I am hearing a democratic campaign that is just saying what Bush did wrong but not suggesting or letting us know what is the plan?"

The news filters out a lot of what Kerry has to say. Also, you cant draw a diagram of your plan to lead the world in a 2 minute time limit in a debate. If you want information go to John Kerry's website and read press releases and international news. Hope I answered your questions.

I would like to know what John Kerry's position is.
He says he has a better plan for Homeland Security. What is It???

He has a better plan for rebuilding and getting out of Iraq??

What is it???

He has a better plean for the economy. What is it? He says outsourcing jobs to other companies is a problem but his wife's company does it?

I don't get it.......

He says we have to win back our allies. Are we out for them or for ourselves????

That debate was a joke. It was scripted. How can any of you formulate a position one way or the other?
You all who are anti war and say you hate Bush because of it. Would you all hate him if he left things alone and more terrorists attacked our citizens abroad?

I am just asking for facts and what these plans are. I am hearing a democratic campaign that is just saying what Bush did wrong but not suggesting or letting us know what is the plan?

Well, Jeff, I said it was a stretch. Moore is (as I've said before) a spin doctor with a baseball cap. He feeds his distortions to people who want to hear it. The media presents it as the "truth" and Michael Moore will not deny it unless pressed. And he is laughing all the way to the bank. I don't have to make a movie debunking him, several people have. But you are not going to see them in the movies. Why not? Because the REAL power brokers don't want it seen. And who are they....the media and the movie industry, that's who. They are still mad that Gore didn't win. Oh well.

As far as the "debate", what a yawner. Kerry hardly said anything of substance and Bush was, well, Bush. I did not hear anything new and nothing to make me want to vote for either of them. I can't wait until there is a real debate with ALL of the candidates for president, not just the "major" parties. It has never, ever been a two party system like the media insists. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats want any third parties to be visible. As wacky as some of them might be, there may be some good ideas from one of them. We'll never know. They are hardly included in the process.

I'm not a fan of Bush but there has to be a better Democrat to run than Kerry. To me, he has as much charisma as Bush. I know some die hard Democrats (including my wife) who think he comes across sleazy. Can't the Democrats get someone who would stick to a platform. What the heck is their platform except beat Bush? Let's be specific. There are a lot of people out there who want to know.

I know for some this is going to be hard to take but this political discussion is beginning to take the appearance of one cult versus another cult. Rather than discussion, there are personal attacks, put downs, geographical "racism" and all those wonderful things that prove to people in other countries that Americans are just a bunch of morons. And this will start again in four years....

That was the impression George Bush, Jr. gave me during the debate. He was defensive for the most part and stood looking very much like a cross between Howdy Doody and Alfred E. Newman.

We are all in big trouble if George W. Bush runs our country for another 4 years. He wants to keep troops in Iraq. How good will that be for the morale of the citizens of this country? What about ALL the problems we have in THIS country? What is he doing about OUR country? He has made Iraq his main focus and there's nobody there to get anymore. He got the bad guy there. I'm not sorry that Suddam Hussein was captured, but how long ago was that? Let's put it away and move on and start making some changes in AMERICA. We can work on helping the rest of the world, but we HAVE to have change in AMERICA too--what's the point of fixing the rest of the world if our country is a shambles?

JOHN KERRY YOU HAVE MY VOTE!

Military Fatalities: By Month
Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days
10-2004 1 0 0 1 1 1
9-2004 80 3 4 87 2.9 30
8-2004 66 4 5 75 2.42 31
7-2004 54 1 3 58 1.87 31
6-2004 42 1 7 50 1.67 30
5-2004 80 0 4 84 2.71 31
4-2004 135 0 5 140 4.67 30
3-2004 52 0 0 52 1.68 31
2-2004 20 1 2 23 0.79 29
1-2004 47 5 0 52 1.68 31
12-2003 40 0 8 48 1.55 31
11-2003 82 1 27 110 3.67 30
10-2003 43 1 2 46 1.48 31
9-2003 30 1 1 32 1.07 30
8-2003 35 6 2 43 1.39 31
7-2003 47 1 0 48 1.55 31
6-2003 30 6 0 36 1.2 30
5-2003 37 4 0 41 1.32 31
4-2003 73 6 0 79 2.63 30
3-2003 65 27 0 92 7.67 12
Total 1059 68 70 1197 2.13 562



VIET NAM 2.......DEJA VU...

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DEJA VU (ALL OVER AGAIN)

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Did you try to read the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I've heard it all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again

Day by day I hear the voices rising
Started with a whisper like it did before
Day by day we count the dead and dying
Ship the bodies home while the networks all keep score

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Could your eyes believe the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I've heard it all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again

One by one I see the old ghosts rising
Stumblin' 'cross Big Muddy
Where the light gets dim
Day after day another Momma's crying
She's lost her precious child
To a war that has no end

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Did you stop to read the writing at The Wall
Did that voice inside you say
I've seen this all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again
It's like Deja Vu all over again

John Fogerty
2004 Cody River Music / ASCAP

As a Democrat, this comment is positive. I think John Kerry cut through the lies and misconceptions that the Bush Corporate money machine has been trying to spew at the American public.

George Bush sounded like "Porky Pig" with all the stammering, and babbling he did last night. That man has a hard time speaking and articulating the kind of words a second grader could nail right, the first time. Is this the kind of person you want to be the voice of our counrty??
* America saw John Kerry as our next President tonight.
* Kerry showed strength, conviction, and a steady command of the facts.
* Kerry left no doubt he can lead the fight to hunt and kill the terrorists.
* Kerry offered hope for a fresh start in Iraq so we can finish the job. Kerry has specific plans: Bush had shallow promises.

Bush sounded like he was half drunk; all the pausing he did, along with his lousy prose and grammer. My friends and I were
cracking jokes like; "Have another sip of that gin George, it will calm your nerves"!!

Michael Moore is a very smart and BRAVE man who tells it like it is. He showed us about the U.S. in the movie "Bowling for Columbine" and showed us about the terrorists risen from our own country. Second he showed us about Bushs' plan to invade Iraq for other purposes. Bush knew about 9/11 before hand but did nothing to stop it. He still hasn't gotten O'sama Bin Laden but ousted Saddam Hussein because his daddy(George H. Bush) didn't finish the war he started. Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris of Florida STOLE the election in 2000 as it is. It is time the tables turn! ELECT JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!

Michael Moore is a very smart and BRAVE man who tells it like it is. He showed us about the U.S. in the movie "Bowling for Columbine" and showed us about the terrorists risen from our own country. Second he showed us about Bushs' plan to invade Iraq for other purposes. Bush knew about 9/11 before hand but did nothing to stop it. He still hasn't gotten O'sama Bin Laden but ousted Saddam Hussein because his daddy(George H. Bush) didn't finish the war he started. Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris of Florida STOLE the election in 2000 as it is. It is time the tables turn! ELECT JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!

Michael Moore is a very smart and BRAVE man who tells it like it is. He showed us about the U.S. in the movie "Bowling for Columbine" and showed us about the terrorists risen from our own country. Second he showed us about Bushs' plan to invade Iraq for other purposes. Bush knew about 9/11 before hand but did nothing to stop it. He still hasn't gotten O'sama Bin Laden but ousted Saddam Hussein because his daddy(George H. Bush) didn't finish the war he started. Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris of Florida STOLE the election in 2000 as it is. It is time the tables turn! ELECT JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!

Michael Moore is a very smart and BRAVE man who tells it like it is. He showed us about the U.S. in the movie "Bowling for Columbine" and showed us about the terrorists risen from our own country. Second he showed us about Bushs' plan to invade Iraq for other purposes. Bush knew about 9/11 before hand but did nothing to stop it. He still hasn't gotten O'sama Bin Laden but ousted Saddam Hussein because his daddy(George H. Bush) didn't finish the war he started. Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris of Florida STOLE the election in 2000 as it is. It is time the tables turn! ELECT JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!

Will someone commenting on all these profound insights please answer a few questions for me?

1. How many people currently in the armed services did not volunteer?

2. Where does Michael Moore's philantropic(sp) subsidiary donate most of their money?

3. How do you deal whith people who will kill their own children to further a cause?

I'd like to counteract some of the impressions that the great uninformed like to spread. They use personal insults and hate syntax. Sad state of events. Most beings of this specific level of intellect don't have opposable thumbs and cannot type. But this is not always the case, as we have proof of this here.

I know Iraqi's. As a Christian woman it's my job to do mission work and support mission work.

Iraqi's who are not involved in the uprisings are terrified of the insurgent fighters. And they express inpatience at the dragging on of the conflict.

But they are happy that the water and energy systems, as well as the roads are being rebuilt. In many areas there aren't any insurgents and life is rebuilding. They grieve over the attacks. They are holding their breath until the elections.

For my part, I intend to pray for our leaders and pay the bill without whining. Like my folks and grandparents did. When the n**i's were running loose. For such a short period of time, they sure did a whole lot of damage. Hussein was in power for many years. And these people are conditioned to feel helpless. It's normal. But they also are starting to express hope. We did that. As the greatest power on earth it's our job.

The North Koreans? Well, as a matter of fact when we entered Iraq they hadn't yet acquired nuclear capabilities. That would have required psychic powers - which to date are not a prerequisite for the Presidency of the United States of America.

It's very easy to cast blame for every event on the planet on the White House. But it's a little silly, isn't it? Really? To blame someone for not responding they way you want them to, to something that hasn't happened yet? Just a tad unreasonable. And uninformed.

The interim President of Iraq visited here, he made a clear statement that I, personally, heard. He said he would like to know why the American media refuses to report what's really happening in Iraq? I would too.

Shawn, I am so sorry there were so many threads to read and I thought it was yours and it wasn't it was Kates' response that I was rebutting that had to do with past behavior predicting future. I still can't believe that this is still going. I get an avg. of 88 to over 100 emails in my inbox from this thread daily. There is supposed to be a web site that is going to post all of the positions that each party is for and against and what they stand for. I don't think either one of them are anywhere near what they used to be.
President and Laura Bush were on DR. Phil today and what a joke that was. Does any one really believe that that was himself the way he is at home or was it all fake like I think it was? Kerry will be on there next week with a sit down talk with DR. Phil. We will then get to see which one is the better actor at showing how much a family man they are and how personable they can be.

WHO CARES? I don't. Just because you go on tv and are interviewed from your home with pre arranged questions MR. Bush and your trying to be cute and funny. We all see you when you are at your podium and your condescending attitude. He reminds me of the bullies in school. If you don't do as I tell you to I am going to beat u up only this time it is I am going to invade your country.

I don't believe what a friend told me the other day. Evidently Bush had promised oil to a few people and we were going to go in and occupy the country of Iraq for longer than he got to. apparantly things didn't go as he had planned, cause the people he promised oil to never got the oil. wish my friend could remember what she was watching when this came out in the open. She has to take pain meds like I do and had her life destroyed by big business as well. So memory doesn't work when you want it to.

My prayers go out to all on this thread hoping that when the Prince of Peace comes we are not sitting around argueing whether or not we should bomb the next country but are living in Peace with all the world.

Again, Shawn I am sorry that I put your name down instead of Kates all the drugs I take play havoc with my memory and I thought it was your response and couldn't find it again when I looked. This time I looked to apologize for my mistake. LOL took me awhile to find it. It is too bad that people can't keep there temper when it comes to politics cause maybe we could get something accomplished.

It seems that some just don't get it. it doesn't matter what party you are for they both have problems. It is too bad that Moral issues are even brought into the political arena because they have nothing to do with running the govt. I know I left that one wide open!! well bring it on I have nothing better to do.

Recent polls in Iraq show that between 63% and 80% of Iraqis wants us to leave. Also, you stated that countries are freed by the blood of soldiers. But our country was freed by the blood of OUR soldiers. Why he hell didn't the Iraqi's fight for their own freedom? The issue itself isn't even Iraq, it is the lies that took us there. It is the lies about WMDs and al Qeada ties which the 9/11 Commission report confirmed were non-existant. Also, the Senate Report admits that the Bush administration "misinterpreted" intelligence by ignoring information contradictory to their reasons of WMDs and al Qeada ties. Richard Clark, head of counter-terrorism, even said that bush told him to find a way to tie the 9/11 incident to Iraq. Of course, you don't know this because you obviously don't read.

Also, if Bush truly thinks it is our job to be liberators and make this world a better place then why Iraq and not North Korea? After all, the US Dept of Intnl' Human Rights declared Kim Jong, dictator of North Korea the world's worst human rights violator, Saddam being 3rd place. Yet, Collin Powell on a recent "Meet the Press" appearance said we are going to be diplomatic with NK and their WMDs and didn't even mention confronting them on their human rights issues. Also, Bush himself is friends with the Saudi royal family who lead the world in Public head choppings at Chop-chop square in Riyahad and it has been proven that terrorist funding has come from Saudi embassies. Why don't we attack them without UN permission also?

Also, get out of America? I LOVE THAT STATEMENT! It is the epidemy is narrow mindedness. Whenever I hear that I picture a drunk redneck going, "'round here we do whatever the president says and think whatever he tells us to think, you don't like it then leave." HAHA Lord knows we wouldn't want people having opinions now would we? For your information, Theodore Roosevelt once said "To announce that there should be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the presidnet, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but treasonable to the American public."

Michael Moore created a film with a point of view in order to make a point. A film without a point is pointless. The idea of the film is that it informs people of information they would not otherwise know inciting them to do their own research and make their own decisions. I do not even see why this is rip-off report. Millions of Americans have payed to see the film and gave it great reviews. Hell, it won the Cannes film festival award. It was worth my $8.00.

Go ahead Daniel, now spew some more ignorant hate. I wont respond, you can have the last word.

wrong but I also do not feel as if I were hostile on any level. I was just stating the facts according to how I percieve your opinions. I also, to be truly honest here feel you are a coward. And to cover for the cowardess you attack others. I feel sorry for you as I can tell you have recieved the good old Republican education. Now just so you are very well informed this IS an attack. I have to wonder if you rode the short happy bus when you attended school? Your intellect is lacking and I mistook that for stupidity. It is obviously an I.Q. problem instead.

wrong but I also do not feel as if I were hostile on any level. I was just stating the facts according to how I percieve your opinions. I also, to be truly honest here feel you are a coward. And to cover for the cowardess you attack others. I feel sorry for you as I can tell you have recieved the good old Republican education. Now just so you are very well informed this IS an attack. I have to wonder if you rode the short happy bus when you attended school? Your intellect is lacking and I mistook that for stupidity. It is obviously an I.Q. problem instead.

wrong but I also do not feel as if I were hostile on any level. I was just stating the facts according to how I percieve your opinions. I also, to be truly honest here feel you are a coward. And to cover for the cowardess you attack others. I feel sorry for you as I can tell you have recieved the good old Republican education. Now just so you are very well informed this IS an attack. I have to wonder if you rode the short happy bus when you attended school? Your intellect is lacking and I mistook that for stupidity. It is obviously an I.Q. problem instead.

Well Daniel! You WIN! You have proved that hatred abounds in the good ole U.S. of A. All you do is throw names at anyone who doesn't think like you.

Your replies when I asked what YOU are personally doing for our country were something like, "I would go if I got drafted" and "I got married young" are scapegoat answers, you realize. There IS NO DRAFT!!! And lots of people who are married fight for their country.

I don't have to say more to spell out what kind of person you are. Your writing says it all.

If,past behavior is a predictor Shawn then, had we all known that Bush had run from his duty in the service and never showed up for nearly two years, we would not have voted him in office. oh thats right he was never voted in. He lied to Judges during his drinking era he lost all his businesses and had to sell them quick because they were failing, sound familiar? He is losing the war because he didn't have a plan at all on how to end this occupation in IRAQ. He wasn't able to make it on his own in the business world how come you think he can make it as a President?

Both parties are trying to make it so that Ralph Nader can't even get on the ballot. Wouldn't it be funny if we all just cast write in votes for Hillary? Or voted for Mr. Nador? After seeing him talk on cspan today He at least has a plan for how to get this country back to its roots. He doesn't take money from any businesses so that he has no favors to take care of when elected to office like the other two do. The only problem is there isn't enough people that know what he is really all about and by voting for him it will put Bush and Cheney right back in office making money off of their investments illegally. Marco is right it has always been about oil and money. We are in Iraq illegally congress is the only body of Government that can declare war. Read up on your constitution. Our founding fathers didn't want any one branch of Government to have too much power there are checks and balances that are supposed to stop us from going to war. Justice at the gate . org may be a site you may want to visit I haven't had a chance to go there yet. Hopefully it tells everything needed to show you all the rights that are going to be taken away from us if the wrong Judges get put in office. Hopefully, I will not have over a hundred emails in my in box cause I really don't wanna have them there. I am just too curious to see who is calling who names this time. Deb have been saying prayers for others like you who have lost husbands and children in this God forsaken time.

I don't believe the latest tactic has been to say that if Kerry gets voted in then we will get bombed again. If Bush gets voted back in they won't bomb us?? How ridiculous. Nobody can predict that. just goes to show who our VP really is.

By the way where was Cheney the last three years? I never heard his name until the race for President began. He must have been too busy counting the money he was getting from Haliburton.
If you really want to know why Kerry and others didnt' vote for certain bills find out what was tacked on the bill and why Senators and Congressman didn't vote for the 87 billion. How about the first time our troops have had to have their own gear and their own plane tickets home? How about the pay cut to their families back home? They didn't even have enough masks for our troops here so that they didn't breathe in some chemicals when the got to Iraq. Parents around here had to buy stuff for our boys in the 1133rd national guard unit. They also were being asked to pay extra for their health insurance. Some President, Sorry little boy we just didn't have enough gas masks to go around its too bad your daddy had to breathe that in and won't be coming home ever again. HE LIES TO YOU IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!!!! And what he can get for going to war!!!!!!!!

hopefully I can now learn to delete my emails.

why are you getting so mad debbie? oh yeah, iforgot, when people are wrong and have to way to prove them selves they get hostile. thanks for expressing your useless opinion in your little fit of hate! You prove what liberals are made of, lies, greed, and animosity. have a good day!

Have you really paid attention to the numbers of not only men but women who are married serving in Iraq? Up until today I didn't know being married young was to constitute exclusion from Bush nonsense. Had I known this my son may still be alive. How you have enlightened me today. Men who are stupid and get married young do not have to fight for this country just walk around talking S**T to those who are opposed to it. Got it thanks for the information....I guess that is catagorized under the need to know basis file.

Murderers? bush? i laugh when i read your posting. Pull americans out? you can't be serious can you? if so you have some serious mental health problems.

If we pulled out they would seek revenge and have a clear shot at american soil, while our soldiers are over there, we are keeping the terrorist at bay for the time being, until they have been overthrown, there is alot of evil in that city, many anti-americans who hate the fact that we are taking action, stopping them from their wicked gas chambers, their rapings, their way of life is greed, killing, and they hate the fact that someone has stepped in to take charge.

I've recently talked to a friend of mine who's home from Iraq for the next few weeks, and he can't wait to go back, to help support his country and his comrad's, I would have taken his same path had i not gotten married so young.

I would go if i were drafted, because i look back at history and the only reason we are free today is because we sacrificed our lives for the sake of future freeedom! we cannot let our forefathers down and let some terrorists do whatever they want with this country, so it is necessary that we stay there where the terrorists are, these men are risking their lives by living in the terrorists home towns, keeping them away from america and focused on our soldiers instead.

These brave men deserve our support, and so does their commander(Bush). May be hard to take in for the closed minded liberal moore followers but yes, what's taking place right now is why you go to sleep everynight without the sound of gunfire outside your window, wondering if you'll survive the night. I respect our soldiers and our president more than ever, I've come to realize that they are the ones who go to bed, rarely, but when they do, they know that this may be their last day on earth. And they know why they're there, and they know their plan, and they know the risks, so don't blame the president for casualties of war, in war, there is death, these kids know that, and were willing because finding sadaam and taking down terrorists in iraq lets osama know that we're capable of finding him, it's only a matter of time, but pulling out of iraq gives them all a open window to attack america, and gives them all the time they need at home to make their weapons of war. while day by day we destroy and conquer more weapon bunkers, and arrest more terrorist, yesterday we captured 20 terrorists and took away many large weapons, RPG's, grenade launchers, and such. these people kill without remorse and for the future of Iraq, we are eliminating that threat more and more every day.

Thank you Pamela! Well said! And DANIEL my dearest, so what you're saying is that Bush should send out our troops to all the countries where men are killing innocent citizens? Let's name a few....how about ALL the African countries where women are molested, infected with HIV, where their husbands are killed for ethnic cleansing purposes?

How about Thailand and a list of other countries where young girls are exploited at the hands of men who use them for money--who ultimately die, who are beat, killed? Shall we send our troops to those countries Daniel and beat them up? So more people can die for that cause too?

What you think is a good way to liberate people (barging in and killing) is basically the same kind of behavior shown by those you want to kill. And look at these latest killings of hostages.

I personally blame you for their deaths--you are just as murderous as George Bush Jr. I pity your wife/girlfriend--perhaps you like to slap her around when she talks back? Are you also a member of the NRA? How about the KKK? I picture you in a white sheet.

YES Pull our troops out of Iraq! If that have happened there would have not been any US POW's or US lives lost! Keeping them there makes YOU a murderer in the name of Bush's GREED! 9/11 was murderous enough by his hands! The last thing needed to be done was to send troops to Iraq in the first place out of first choice! Military cuts, healthcare crisis, the ECONOMY, and troops dying in Iraq is all murder by the hands of Bush! How "American" is that????? I don't think you are brainwashed, I think you are a member from the Bush camp patrolling these boards to make greedy, murderous Bush look "innocent"!

What people don't realize is the responsibility that goes hand in hand with that right.
I may not agree with WHAT you say, but I will fight to the death to retain America's Bill of Rights. Every last one of them.

I am a Republican. I believe that people who can help others, have an obligation to do so.
I believe that when my father paid for the war effort in his time and his father before him - I have no right to cry over the tab for this war on terrorism.

We lay our heads down at night to the sound of crickets instead of gunfire.

Our children don't know where the mass graves are with their family members in them.
Our children have never been indoctrinated with the knowledge that they should never talk about the graves or ask where their people went when they disappear.

We have the right to walk into a church every week. And sit down, publicly, to worship. That isn't happening in too many places. But it's happening here.

I believe I throw away more food every week than many families see in months. And I believe they'd think what I throw out is a feast.

I believe this is the greatest nation on the planet. I believe that I am my brothers keepers.
I believe that terrorists want to do away with our way of life. I believe they hate us and want to kill us. Because we are Americans. Nothing else.

I don't believe you can budget a response to this kind of irrational hate.

I don't believe you can bury your head in the sand and hope they'll go away. They won't.
I believe we need a leader who believes in going after the problem - relentlessly - until the battle is won.

Before it is brought to American soil again.
I also know Michael Moores' past performance. He did a little piece on Flint, Michigan after the auto manufacturer's pulled out.

It cost the manufacturers a great deal to start over somewhere else - but the union labor prices had gotten so out of control that they couldn't afford to stay in that area. Then Michael Moore went and interviewed the people who were upset that the gravy train had pulled out.

I don't believe that it should cost somebody $42.00 an hour to have a guy put wheels on a car. I don't think you can do business that way. And businesses are trying to make a product to sell, to make a profit.

Michael Moore took answers out of sequence to the questions that were asked and pieced together a film that even the people who were in the film disagreed with. They said it was a lie.
I believe the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

And I know Michael's past behavior was misrepresentative of the facts - intentionally.
I have no reason to think he's had a spiritual or moral awakening.

Do your research. Pray over the matter. Get out and vote on November 2.

What people don't realize is the responsibility that goes hand in hand with that right.
I may not agree with WHAT you say, but I will fight to the death to retain America's Bill of Rights. Every last one of them.

I am a Republican. I believe that people who can help others, have an obligation to do so.
I believe that when my father paid for the war effort in his time and his father before him - I have no right to cry over the tab for this war on terrorism.

We lay our heads down at night to the sound of crickets instead of gunfire.

Our children don't know where the mass graves are with their family members in them.
Our children have never been indoctrinated with the knowledge that they should never talk about the graves or ask where their people went when they disappear.

We have the right to walk into a church every week. And sit down, publicly, to worship. That isn't happening in too many places. But it's happening here.

I believe I throw away more food every week than many families see in months. And I believe they'd think what I throw out is a feast.

I believe this is the greatest nation on the planet. I believe that I am my brothers keepers.
I believe that terrorists want to do away with our way of life. I believe they hate us and want to kill us. Because we are Americans. Nothing else.

I don't believe you can budget a response to this kind of irrational hate.

I don't believe you can bury your head in the sand and hope they'll go away. They won't.
I believe we need a leader who believes in going after the problem - relentlessly - until the battle is won.

Before it is brought to American soil again.
I also know Michael Moores' past performance. He did a little piece on Flint, Michigan after the auto manufacturer's pulled out.

It cost the manufacturers a great deal to start over somewhere else - but the union labor prices had gotten so out of control that they couldn't afford to stay in that area. Then Michael Moore went and interviewed the people who were upset that the gravy train had pulled out.

I don't believe that it should cost somebody $42.00 an hour to have a guy put wheels on a car. I don't think you can do business that way. And businesses are trying to make a product to sell, to make a profit.

Michael Moore took answers out of sequence to the questions that were asked and pieced together a film that even the people who were in the film disagreed with. They said it was a lie.
I believe the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

And I know Michael's past behavior was misrepresentative of the facts - intentionally.
I have no reason to think he's had a spiritual or moral awakening.

Do your research. Pray over the matter. Get out and vote on November 2.

What people don't realize is the responsibility that goes hand in hand with that right.
I may not agree with WHAT you say, but I will fight to the death to retain America's Bill of Rights. Every last one of them.

I am a Republican. I believe that people who can help others, have an obligation to do so.
I believe that when my father paid for the war effort in his time and his father before him - I have no right to cry over the tab for this war on terrorism.

We lay our heads down at night to the sound of crickets instead of gunfire.

Our children don't know where the mass graves are with their family members in them.
Our children have never been indoctrinated with the knowledge that they should never talk about the graves or ask where their people went when they disappear.

We have the right to walk into a church every week. And sit down, publicly, to worship. That isn't happening in too many places. But it's happening here.

I believe I throw away more food every week than many families see in months. And I believe they'd think what I throw out is a feast.

I believe this is the greatest nation on the planet. I believe that I am my brothers keepers.
I believe that terrorists want to do away with our way of life. I believe they hate us and want to kill us. Because we are Americans. Nothing else.

I don't believe you can budget a response to this kind of irrational hate.

I don't believe you can bury your head in the sand and hope they'll go away. They won't.
I believe we need a leader who believes in going after the problem - relentlessly - until the battle is won.

Before it is brought to American soil again.
I also know Michael Moores' past performance. He did a little piece on Flint, Michigan after the auto manufacturer's pulled out.

It cost the manufacturers a great deal to start over somewhere else - but the union labor prices had gotten so out of control that they couldn't afford to stay in that area. Then Michael Moore went and interviewed the people who were upset that the gravy train had pulled out.

I don't believe that it should cost somebody $42.00 an hour to have a guy put wheels on a car. I don't think you can do business that way. And businesses are trying to make a product to sell, to make a profit.

Michael Moore took answers out of sequence to the questions that were asked and pieced together a film that even the people who were in the film disagreed with. They said it was a lie.
I believe the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

And I know Michael's past behavior was misrepresentative of the facts - intentionally.
I have no reason to think he's had a spiritual or moral awakening.

Do your research. Pray over the matter. Get out and vote on November 2.

What people don't realize is the responsibility that goes hand in hand with that right.
I may not agree with WHAT you say, but I will fight to the death to retain America's Bill of Rights. Every last one of them.

I am a Republican. I believe that people who can help others, have an obligation to do so.
I believe that when my father paid for the war effort in his time and his father before him - I have no right to cry over the tab for this war on terrorism.

We lay our heads down at night to the sound of crickets instead of gunfire.

Our children don't know where the mass graves are with their family members in them.
Our children have never been indoctrinated with the knowledge that they should never talk about the graves or ask where their people went when they disappear.

We have the right to walk into a church every week. And sit down, publicly, to worship. That isn't happening in too many places. But it's happening here.

I believe I throw away more food every week than many families see in months. And I believe they'd think what I throw out is a feast.

I believe this is the greatest nation on the planet. I believe that I am my brothers keepers.
I believe that terrorists want to do away with our way of life. I believe they hate us and want to kill us. Because we are Americans. Nothing else.

I don't believe you can budget a response to this kind of irrational hate.

I don't believe you can bury your head in the sand and hope they'll go away. They won't.
I believe we need a leader who believes in going after the problem - relentlessly - until the battle is won.

Before it is brought to American soil again.
I also know Michael Moores' past performance. He did a little piece on Flint, Michigan after the auto manufacturer's pulled out.

It cost the manufacturers a great deal to start over somewhere else - but the union labor prices had gotten so out of control that they couldn't afford to stay in that area. Then Michael Moore went and interviewed the people who were upset that the gravy train had pulled out.

I don't believe that it should cost somebody $42.00 an hour to have a guy put wheels on a car. I don't think you can do business that way. And businesses are trying to make a product to sell, to make a profit.

Michael Moore took answers out of sequence to the questions that were asked and pieced together a film that even the people who were in the film disagreed with. They said it was a lie.
I believe the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

And I know Michael's past behavior was misrepresentative of the facts - intentionally.
I have no reason to think he's had a spiritual or moral awakening.

Do your research. Pray over the matter. Get out and vote on November 2.

How dare you shawn call yourself a true american. Pull our troops out of Iraq? Thats literal suicide! Their way of life is killing, so you say that's right? We shouldn't do anything about it? I'd NEVER stoop to your level and tolerate innocent deaths in other countries if i were president, obviously cold blooded killers don't bother you commie's very much, I didn't think they would. You obviously show that you have no heart in your past responses, so i'll let them speak for themselves.

It saddens me to read these comments from people who have "no clue" to what is going on in this world.

Its about oil, money, oil, money, oil, money, oil, money...

Are any of you uneducated folks starting to see?

I am done with this thread I no longer want my email full because of people calling each other names and not respecting others opinions. Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a communist!!!!

Daniel if you want to have the government run by liars and theives then be my guest vote. You have that right and so do I. I am not a communist just because I believe that we should have planned this invasion a little better than our Govt. did.

In all actuallity we should invaded Iran and Saudi Arabia while we are at it. Hell why not just go and invade anyone who is not doing what we tell them to do. Don't forget Korea and Sudan while we are at it. They are killing innocents while we are all complaining about someone elses point of view in our nice little corner of the world we have created for ourselves.

I am not sorry for believing that the Government is lying to us even John McCain from AZ said it the other day. BUSH IS LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE he said, they just showed him on CNN. He agrees it should stop. And he is a REPUBLICAN SENATOR.

DO any of you watch the news?? I watch more than just the local news I also watch cnn,the 700 club and anything I can watch. I am not able to work so I get to watch it over and over and see many opinions and truths. This is not by my choice believe me. I would rather be working and living a normal life like everyone else. All thanks to big business and the republicans messing with workers rights. I can never work again because of big business and there getting what they want whenever they want it. That is what republicans are for they make arrangements with big business to back them and vote for them and in response they make it impossible for the little guy to get ahead. If my being a democrat because I don't want big business running my country makes me a communist then so be it. Just because you are a republican or a democrat does not mean you are a liberal or conservative either. I believe in doing what is right. If that makes me a communist in your eyes Daniel, then you better go look up the meaning of the word.

I am so sick of the name calling and disrespectful attitudes of the people on this thread I WANT MY EMAIL OFF THE LIST.

We are all allowed to have an opinion and if you think your opinion is the ONLY RIGHT ONE then you are mistaken.

I don't want assault rifles to be allowed at all. Not only because there is no reason to have them but because allowing them to be sold in the US only makes it easier for the terrorists to get them while they are here. It is harder to smuggle them in when they are crossing our southern borders illegally. The dessert is not the place to be carrying anything except the water you need to get through it. So does my not wanting them sold here make me a communist?? Does my not wanting to be lied to make me a communist?

Daniel how long our our fathers, sons, mothers, and daughters supposed to stay in Iraq and defend the Iraqi people when their own soldiers run and hide when trouble comes? They don't want to even sign up to defend their own families. They surely don't want to defend their own country. Why should we continue to defend them? Why not just divide their country up and let each group have their own piece of the pie and we get our people out to somewhere that really needs our attention and wants us there. If they don't like that idea then why not just go in and bomb any area that is not conforming? Kill them all then we don't have to worry about it. Just give them fair warning you either stop the fighting or we will end it all for you. THe innocents then have time to get out. Same thing isn't it? If they can't learn to live together without us there then we sure can't make them with us there either.

It seems to me Sudan is killing their own people too shouldn't we be there helping them before it is too late? It is not our business to tell people how to live their lives!! I believe they have already decided that Iran was a bigger nuclear threat than Iraq and so Is Korea so what do we do about it?? We invade Iraq because Hussein threatened HW"s daddy.

No one is crazy to believe that the Iraqis "Love" US invasion as they create victims (including children) all in the name of GREED and BUSH; but ROBERT! He probably works in the Bush administration and paid to patrol boards such as these!

In response to your suggestion that I leave the country, and to your name calling, I won't start hurling names back at you because it would mean that I'd have to stoop to your level, which I just won't do.

You said you're working toward the "greater good" of our country. In your next sentence you say you have friends in Iraq--blah blah blah--just what are YOU contributing besides leaving messages on message boards that sound nasty and mean? It doesn't sound like you do much except sound like a bully (...get your communist a*s out of America?)

What I do is work toward keeping my community a nice place to live in. I volunteer if I can, I volunteer for my daughter's school, I teach her how not to be a bully in this world and how to respect all people from all over the world. I teach her how to be a pacifist and not someone who will fight, unless she NEEDS to defend herself. I teach her humility, I teach her how to empathize, I teach her how to survive.
You can bash Michael Moore all you want but I'm thankful that we have freedom of speech so that Michael Moore can continue to enlighten us.
I am very pleased that Saddam Hussein was overtaken. But how long ago was that? He's been captured now so let's bring the troops home!!!!!
Now you will want to get the last word in so you go for it!

wake up and smell the coffee? I believe you apperently haven't done that your entire life. are you enlisted? would you shed your blood? if there were a draft i would have no shame fighting for a greater cause, and no it's no "blasting in" another country to make money. The iraqi's whom have been liberated love us, the ones who don't, including you i assume hate us for taking action, for stopping one of their countries top terrorists, it is true others may and will rise up in his place, but we will be there to take him down, leaders like sadaam hate having a country like america, a country who actually reaches out and helps others, have you ever done that? reading your response makes me think otherwise, besides sitting behind your computer defending the evil of this world, what else can you do for you community? or humanity itself? I'm working towards the greater good, i have many friends, in iraq, afghanistan, and japan, all fighting, keeping peace, and defending our treaties with other countries so they don't have another chance to rise up against us like pearl harbor. if i could sum up michael moore's pathetic life, it would be...."hi i'm mike moore, I make movies to prove our governments corrupt, oh by the way, there's less that one fact in that movie but i know alot of liberals will take it all in as the truth and i'll cause alot of fights, that's what i'm hoping for, more publicity and more money for me! yay! but i donate it all to cherity, that is i donate all that i have left over after buying by multi million dollar house and multi million dollar summer home in michigan, but i don't do it for the money". THis idiot is making money off 911 and won't admit it, he's putting false ideas in the minds of the liberals, literally turning them into communists, so I will say again, get you communist a*s out of america!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Daniel,
What are YOU doing for America? Are you enlisted? Did you serve in the military? Are you willing to shed YOUR blood for the sake of a better Iraq? Do you really believe that the majority of the Iraq population agrees with our troops being in THEIR country--a country that George Bush is trying, but will fail, to liberate? Do you really think that once this is over there will not be another Saddam Hussein? Do you really think the Iraqi people want an Americanized Iraq? You should wake up and smell the coffee pal. If you really think war is the answer to the world's problems then you are just as evil as Saddam Hussein. A lot of civilians, many of them women and children, died while we were hunting down Mr. Hussein. Are you saying it had to be done that way? That we had to blast in there because George Bush Jr. said so? And on what basis? Lies about weapons of mass destruction? Hmmmm....what's wrong with that picture? When it's all over, shall we go and blast North Korea?

Michael Moore a hero? If I may quote my friend, "Michael Moore shows the truth and all bush does is stay away from saudi arabia so he can get money from oil, Michael Moore is an honest man with good intentions." One word for that, BULL. Recently in my hometown we had the NON privelage of having a nice liberal communist speak, aka michael moore. He requested 40 thousand dollars just to come speak!! who's trying to make money here? on the other hand sean hannity spoke asking for nothing but a plane ticket in. looks to me like the liberal left wing is trying to make a proffit off this election, just like they're accusing bush of doin!!! Hypocrisy at its finest I think. Oh but Bush is a warmonger, he just went into iraq knowing he'd win and since people like winning wars he thought he'd win the election that way. Why don't we ask the iraqi's who now have schools, running water, and power, and a safer place to sleap now that iraq and the sadam regim is out of power. Sadam and his sons killed thousands upon thousands of innocent lives, and yes so have our solders but you need to look forward to the future of iraq. We would not be a free country if innocent blood was not shed. You go tell those liberated iraqi's that Bush is a warmonger and they will spit in your face, say that to me and i'll do the same. Why are you mad? because we finally have a president who did something? war is never free, NO OTHER COUNTRY WILL HELP iraq or any other country who's empowered by evil such as sadam, just like the old days of hitler. Which sadaam and his sons were growing up in his image. Our dying soldiers know what they're up against, that's why there hasnt' been a draft, they are willing to serve and to dethrone the evil of other countrys. Sadaam had to be taken out sooner or later, as will Osama in his own due time. If you hate Bush, and love Michael Moore, DO US ALL A FAVOR AND GET THE HELL OUT OF AMERICA. you're doing nothing but creating problems within the country, you're turning this great nation against itself with your constant nagging at the president for his flaws. OH NO!!! our president isn't perfect! We must obey FH 911(the mockumentary) and it's idiotic creator and turn against america, we must follow him as mindless zombies and believe everything we hear on tv. Me myself, I'm a true American, I love the country, and whoever leads it, unlike you liberals who have your head so far up Michael moore's backside you can't see your own mistakes but only those of our commander in cheif, who happens to be human therefore entitled to not be PERFECT!

The fact that someone is so outraged by this ban expiring tells me you likley don't even know what it is. It is the diffrence between rapid fireing 13 rounds(legal) and rapid fireing 14 rounds(ban).
The reason no one was paying much attention is because most politicans Republican and Democrat no that it really makes no diffrence. You can make a legal weapon into ban weapon in less than 30 seconds. People who are going to do that really don't give a crap who banned what.

Why I really came back is to show you all something.
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It will take you right to it. It's not propaganda. I don't like or read propaganda and
I would not inflict it on others.

FINALLY, HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU GET THESE PEOPLE TO STOP SENDING YOU 50 EMAILS A DAY. I WANT OUT!

Hello and Greetings,
I thought htis thing would have died long ago.
People, first of all, the responses have shown one very important thing.
Because of nothing but partisan politics, once again, the politicians win.
More important, and as always, the american voter is left with that "Well maybe next election feeling!".
Whoever wins this election, we all lose.
Whoever wins, the special interest and donation buddies will have to be paid off.
Neither group can say that the other is being courted by special interest.
Politicians are whores who go with anyone who is willing to pay their price.
They lie, cheat and steal. Some maybe even kill!
Politicians play sick little games with the little mans life.
Politicians will destroy anyone who gets in their way!
And right now, you know what Bush and Kerry could be doing? Talking on the phone to each other planning their next public round of He Said He Said!
Everyone just vote NO!
Elect no one.
Then the government has to shut down.
And we've seen many times that a governmentwhen shut down, especially this one is much more effective.
Stop getting into political fights over the election and start actually paying attention.
Do you want the Kerry Con? The Bush Con for 4 more years? Or do we want Ralph?
But before you vote, go get a jar of Vaseline because whoever gets in will be giving it to us good the next four years.
And guess what America, Michael Moore is making a fortune off telling his followers everything they already know.
How many of you need to watch his movies or pay to hear him speak in order to find out you don't like the ways things are?
He billed his movie as a documentary. This is supposed to mean FACTS!
Nothing, not one thing about Michael Moores movie is exactly fact. He takes facts, turns them around to make them appear like something they are not.
Michael Moore is for Michael Moore.
Other than to take money out of your pocket, what has Michael Moore done for you?
About as much as the government he screams about.
If we want better educated children, how about making sure that the teachers know what the hell they're doing.
Stop allowing schools to be day care centers.
We don't owe troublemakers an education.
A kid acts up, throw them out.
Stop messing around with kids and first teach them that they are no longer going to be getting away with anything.
For the tough kids who think they are big bad bold and bullitproof, shove a fott so far up their asses they have to open their mouth so you can untie it!
Throw the punks out so the kids who want an education can learn.
AS for political correctness, this is one of the biggest con jobs, other than the tobacco lawsuits that has ever been used against us.
Guess what people, the short version of the history of the US is this.
We didn't like England so we threw them out.
Then we made peace treaties with the indians which we broke.
We took the land from the indians as they had taken from each other.
Only we made it permanent!
As for us taking land from Mexico. Screw Mexico and thier constant corrupt governments that cause millions of illegals to come across our borders.
If the Mexicans still lay claim to any US land, again, screw Mexico. They stole the land from someone else and then we stole it from them.
We should have closed the border with Mexico after some of their politicans and military leaders had a direct involvement with the death of a DEA agent.
America, if you want to b***h about something, b***h about the 8 to 10 million ILLEGAL immigrants walking around free and without fear of being picked up by law enforcement.
And the Latino groups are putting pressure on our politicians to NOT do anything about the illegal problems or it will cost them votes.
Lets see, their are groups defending the illegal immigrants and blackmailing our politicans to not stop the problem.
And they want to increase their numbers to fight off any challenge by say whites and blacks.
Immigrants who become citizens and then put together groups that support, protect and defend millions of illegal immigrants,,,,CRIMINALS!
They say they're Americans but they are doing nothing but trying to increase their numbers to make us the minority!
And many Americans wonder just why there are so many Hate Groups in this country.
Not racists, just simple fact.
We're caught up in arguing with each other to the point where nothing, and I mean nothing gets done to help the average man.
And in 2008, the same crap is going to be getting discussed.
Just like every year before.
Putting it simply, if politicans were so good and honest, why then is this country as screwed as it is?
Just vote NO!
Of all the postings to this report, only one actually made me angry.
AND THAT WAS THE POSTING FORM BOZ-TEXINO!
bOZ, YOU SCREWED WITH THE WRONG PERSON. YOU JOINED ONLY TO CAUSE TROUBLE AND TO PISS PEOPLE OFF.
CONGRATULATIONS YOU SICK F%$#!
TO SHOW YOU MY COMPLETE REVULSION FOR WHAT YOU DO,I TRACKED YOU DOWN AND HAVE POSTED YOUR COMPLETE HISTORY ON A WEBSITE THAT WILL USE THE INFORMATION ABOUT YOU TO THIER FULLEST.
I SEND OUT YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER IN ALL MY EMAILS.
I WANT TO GET YOU AND YOUR LITTLE BUSINESS THERE A BIG HELPING HAND.
AND WHAT BETTER WAY THAN TO REVEAL THE NAMES OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

And people, in closing, Freedom of Speech is one of every person's basic human rights.
But that freedom doesn't include protection from your words.
And in my trying to prevent any theatre from showing this movie, it wasn't anything but me exercising my right to free speech.
Yet I was called A Communists, Facists and my favorite "A Hater"!
And stop telling me about jobs going overseas, but someone post something in black and white.
Not even Fox has used anything to back up this claim of losing jobs overseas!
Health Care, its not Bush's job.
Why not try a new approach and start screaming at the actual companies that provide health insurance.
Afterall, when last I checked, the President didn't have any health care providers businesses!
If everyone wants affordable and good healthcare, start pressuring your Senators to have Tort Reform.
Demand it.
Cut big lawsuit settlements and doctors can afford mal-practice insurance.
We need to stop the Trial Lawyers Association from further sending this country into a hell it won't soon recover from.
Stop bitching about Bush/Kerry and hit the real issues.
Illegal immigrants are choking our cities.
They have burdened our health care system and States are suffering.
Whats worse, illegal immigrants can get help when an American Family can't.
People, stop wasting time arguing about which one will do this or that for their party.
Screw the party.
Do for America!
And Marco, seems you're the only one bitching about being an ex-GI and against Bush.
Talk to MM Marco. Maybe you can be in his next movie.
Bet some of your Marine Buddies won't give you such a warm welcome if you ever go back.

Bush Supporters HATE America's Freedom! Only ones who expect America to stand along side to the murderous and greedy decisions of Bush, are the dictarorish haters of America! Who cares if the festival attendees applauded to HOURS! The fact is the movie grossed in MILLIONS and many MANY Americans know about the cruel and greedy Bush regime! People who experienced job loss, loved ones loss in war because of greedy, evil Bush LOVE America and will not stand there applauding some Bush suck up film geek who only experience having a dent in his Jag as "war experience".

Robin, read my post again.
It has nothing to do with Michael Moore's film. It has to do with the title of the film EVENT and the "cover of the book" not accurately depicting "its contents."

From the write-up you had submitted earlier, the Dallas event might better have been billed as something like, "Creative Conservatives Fight Back" or a similar caption.

Other than that, your last very articulate and thoughty commentary was much appreciated and expresses so well the thoughts of many American citizens, voters and taxpayers. It's one of the more intelligent postings to be read on these series of submissions.

Let me ask you this...

Besides having to deal with 911, what has George Bush done for this country?

Bush is for the rich and doesn't give a s**t about those of us who don't fit that description.

Bush is a war monger.

Bush doesn't care about the environment. Read this: http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/mt_archives/000050.php

Bush doesn't support women's rights and what they do with their own bodies. Check this out: http://www.thetruthaboutgeorge.com/women/

Here--read about the how Bush thinks that sending our scarce jobs overseas is a good thing--I guess it's good if you're a big shot business owner looking to save your big bucks--those are the guys who believe that money makes the world go around. http://www.election.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/13/opinion/main600351.shtml

Bush did not win his seat in the presidency fairly. Don't you think the disappearing ballots are suspicious? Go here to read about it... http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Florida-Vote-Irregularities.htm
Jeb Bush is the governor--surprise, surprise!!

Now that over 1000 soldiers are dead, what is Bush doing to stop it? Nothing. Perhaps he should send his daughters.

I could go on but I know I won't make any difference. Until those of you are affected somehow, by Bush's mistakes, you won't see the light. And besides, a right winger is a right winger and there is no room for change.

John and others, perhaps you should check your facts and your history.

Let me spell it out for those of you who don't seem to get it. Its about oil, profits, oil, profits, oil, dead proletariat sons & daughters, oil, profits, are you getting the idea yet?

Terrorism will not stop in this world until the US, Uk, EU and others begin apologizing to the millions of people of the world who we have harmed.

We have supported dictatorial govts since this country was formed. Others have for decades.

Lets start with the people of Iraq, Afghanistan and Uzbekistan, lets send them food, water, and some Korans to read, maybe then we will start to be forgiven.

I for one, don't read the Koran, but we have no right to infringe upon the civil liberties of others, even if you don't agree with their lifestyle.

The really sad thing is, the many people who support this "Godless" war are the same ones who keep preaching Christianity and forgiveness.

Marilynn,

You seem very offended that this film "Michael Moore Hates America" was aired and outraged at the venue. Why?

Both of these films claim to be "documentaries" yet they each show differing "facts". How can this be??

For every opinion, there is an equal and opposite opinion. All of them may be based on truth or part of the truth as that one person sees it. The slant is the key; the spin is the tool.

Some opinions swing far left, some swing far right. The truth most often lies somewhere in the middle. Americans have got to find that truth and it is a tougher job by the year. The media tends to slant to mirror the views of the owner(s). Find out who the media owners are and you will begin to see the light.

Start with Fox News (Rupert Murdoch gave rise to Fox News, to get you started) and work your way through all the major news channels. The media have agendas now, just as political parties do. Don't ever doubt it.

Will we get the truth from the esteemed candidates themselves? So far this campaign has consisted of one side lobbing an attack and the other side lobbing a counter-attack; the candidates spend their time lobbing or ducking and no one seems interested in forcing talk about the real issues that face Americans.

I watch these two candidates duking it out like Rock 'Em Sock 'Em robots and wonder "Is this the best America has to offer?" These men should be better than this, but I guess America enjoys blood sport too much these days. The entire country has turned into a gigantic Peyton Place crawling with voyeurs who crave every character flaw to be laid open. The issues suffer for this.

We will never have a candidate who is perfect because they are human. That is a given. No human reaches any age without something behind them that they are not too proud of. No one escapes youth without some sort of screw up. So what? We have to hope that these men have grown up since then.

I do not care what these men did thirty years ago. I do care that they have the strength of character and common sense to lead this country through some very perilous times. I am not seeing this strength in either candidate. I am not seeing this maturity in either of them.

While the Big Two Parties fight for political dominance, this country is foundering under massive corporate fraud, crime, huge taxation issues, and the constant insertion of Big Government into individual lives and freedoms.

Domestic policy seems to consist of "The one with the biggest purse wins" even if that money was gained by fraud, theft, and outright law-breaking.

I am both frightened by and disillusioned with both parties at this moment. If things do make a drastic change in the next six weeks, I will vote for neither candidate, but for any Independent that shows up on the ballot.

I am tired of being forced to choose between Tweedledum and Tweedledee every election cycle. I am tired of people in Washington who forget you and me when they get into office and immediately go to work for the betterment of themselves rather than the betterment of this country. I am tired of politicians who seem to have no working knowledge of the Constitution.

The only thing that will change my mind will come from the candidates themselves. I invite Mr. Bush or Mr. Kerry to engage us here with their positions and/or thoughts, but do not think that will happen. Perhaps some pearl of wisdom will fall from the lips of one or the other of them soon to sway me, but I have little hope of that this late in the day.

I will pray for this country with all my might, that it may survive what is being done to it. This wonderful country that was built on the ideals of inherent individual rights and freedoms (as both of these filmmakers have exercised and we exercise by posting here on this forum) is now all about the money and the power; who has it, who wants it, and who will ultimately get it.

I, personally, have had enough of watching this political circus and all the clowns in it!

Good grief!! Seventeen political propaganda films pre-arranged for viewing at an event in Dallas, which the promoter boasts was "the first conservative film festival in the nation."
What is it billed as?? American Film Renaissance Festival. Now, you talk about deception......

If I remember correctly the original topic here concerned Mr. Moore's film and thoughts about it before it degenerated into political rants, name calling and mud-slinging.

Back to topic; another view of Mr. Moore is released.


Tuesday, September 14, 2004

'Michael Moore Hates America' huge hit
10-minute standing ovation for documentary at film festival

Posted: September 14, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Ron Strom

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

"Michael Moore Hates America," a documentary that challenges the leftist filmmaker, received a huge response at the American Film Renaissance festival in Dallas, packing out two showings and eliciting a 10-minute standing ovation.

"That crowd response was bigger than anything I've seen in a theater in my life," Jim Hubbard, the co-founder of the festival, told WorldNetDaily. The festival ran from Sept. 10-12.

Hubbard said demand to see the film was so high, the theater was bursting at the seams during the second showing.

"We really packed them in," he said. "We were having to turn people away."

Hubbard says he is confident the man who made "Michael Moore Hates America," 27-year-old Mike Wilson, will secure a theatrical distributor for his work.

"They're going to get distribution," he predicted. "This thing is just too huge."

Wilson was in attendance for both showings, Hubbard said. "[The moviegoers] were treating him like a rock star."

Added Hubbard, "He really peeled the hide off of Michael Moore."

In one scene, the American soldier who lost both arms in Iraq and who was shown in Moore's Bush-bashing "Fahrenheit 9/11" said he was taken out of context in the left-wing documentary.

According to Hubbard, the soldier said in the new film he had planned to be a technical engineer and could no longer do so because he lost his arms. He emphasized, however, that if he had to do it over again, he would, because "what we're doing in Iraq is important." The soldier said he was furious about the way Moore had portrayed him in "Fahrenheit 9/11."

Hubbard noted, "Moore used the south of France [Cannes Film Festival] to launch his left-wing documentary, and we used the heartland of the country, Dallas, Texas, to launch the counterpunch. There are two conflicting moral views right there."

Other films that were popular at the festival, which Hubbard says was the first conservative film festival in the nation, included "Is it True What They Say About Ann?" a documentary about columnist Ann Coulter, "Confronting Iraq" and "Michael and Me," another film responding to Michael Moore.

"Stolen Honor," a film that tells the stories of former POWs who felt betrayed by Sen. John Kerry's 1971 testimony accusing American servicemen of war crimes, also was well-received, Hubbard said.

Hubbard says there were between 3,000 and 4,000 tickets sold altogether for the 17 films that were screened.

Ok Let's get this straight? You blame the president about the Assault weapons? Wht didn't anyone hear of it until the day it expired. I think both parties let the ball drop on this one.

Kerry and his supporters can "Claim" a book is lies and try to ban it? Yet they praise Michael Moore for his lies? If the president tried to ban Morre's movie what would the democrats say?

No one knows where John Kerry stands. I am concerned with the problems buildin in Iran and in North Korea. According to Kerry if the French say no we will not do anything about them. Oh wait that was yesterday. His mouthpiece Dean is saying we should disarm Iran and North Korea butr not in the manner we did Iraq. If we go the diplomatic route kiss our way of life good bye.

These are the same people who voted in the senate to go into Iraq.......

I fear for my life if Kerry wins and the terrorists are given free reign to do what they want because he will not do anything if any country says no.

Kerry is being set up for defeat by the Clintons because if he wins then Hilary will not be able to run in 2008.

I now know for sure who I will vote for... This is just rediculus. Lets just hand the terrorists their weopons so they can start killing all of us. Where the hell was Bush or any of the leaders of this country when they knew that the assault weopons ban would end today at midnight. Where were all the senators and representatives?? I will now vote for Kerry only because he is campaigning and not able to really put any bills in to stop this from happening. I will also vote for anyone who is not in office right now and is running in the state of Iowa that I can vote for. I don't care you don't need any repeating rifle etc to hunt the d**n thing would be in pieces and what good would that do couldn't eat it and couldn't mount it either. I am sick of Our so called President he is too afraid to say no to any of his buddies. We are now a bankrupt nation and cannot pay our bills that is just absurd. We are supposed to be the richest country in the world. Thank you Pres Bush for making my children and grandchildren pay for your greed. If only the truth were out to the entire nation how you couldn't even run your own company let alone an entire COUNTRY!!!!!!!! People I have talked to are not even going to vote now because they don't like either candidate. Please people tell your parents and then tell their friends the truth. Tell them how he has lied to everyone and all his friends and buddies are getting rich and the rest of us are going down deeper and deeper. Tell them how they will have to pay more money next year out of their Social Security checks to pay for his stupid idea to give prescription drugs to everyone with a 600 dollar credit that when you sign up for the thing all the drugs are still outrageous it didn't fix a thing just cost us more money. They even said that kerrys plan will work and bushs won't watch cnn it tells the truth!!!!!! DUMBYA cant even talk or come up with anything on his own he has to listen to his buddies with all the cash that he owes favors to and his vice pres that we never heard a word from until now cause he was the one telling bush what to do the entire time he was too busy actually running the country while bush took his vacations back home on the ranch that he probably stole from a lil ole lady who wouldn't sell so he condemned it. I have never gotten involved in politics I was too busy working to put food in my families mouths and now I wish I would have paid more attention. He didn't get voted in before don't let him get voted in this time. It is time for people to stop paying attention to the poles and vote anyway!!!!!!!!!! Sorry if I don't meet everyones spelling and grammatical perfection I really don't care!!!!!! I just don't want Bush to keep stealing from my kids any more.

In this morass of personal attacks, some one (I believe Kathleen of Delmar) asked in the title, "Where's the ripoff?" or something to that effect.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. F 9/11 is being hearlded by the media as a documentary. Michael Moore has said it is not, in an interview on the floor of the Democratic Convention. Now if you are paying for a movie that is the "truth" as many are putting it, and you are not getting it, then you are paying for something that you are not getting. It may be a stretch but that is what I think the starter of this mess was trying to say.

In Pete of Rochester's post he demonstrated the Michael Moore technique. As an example: One plane hits the tower. Accident or terrorism? With the information provided who can tell? But it's presented as if Bush knew it was a terrorist attack and didn't care. That's not a fact! It's an opinion. I could call it a distortion.

I like this one. "Nearly seven minutes passed with nobody doing anything" Yeah....it's called shock. Imagine being the president of one of the "leading" countries of the world and someone actually attacks the US, for the first time.(Pearl Harbor was not part of the United STATES at the time and was also a military target not civilian.) I don't think Michael Moore or anyone posting here, including myself, could have reacted any faster. Once the "Oh s##t!" reaction is over then you have to think about what to do next, all the people needed to be contacted, govenmental agencies needed to be coordinated, etc. in a situation that was not expected. That does take time. Oh, I'm sorry...Clinton new about it, but he did nothing about it during his administration. I guess Michael Moore didn't know that.

Michael Moore is nothing more than a spin doctor in a baseball cap. Instead of getting paid by a govenment or corporate offical, he gets paid by people what want to hear his spin. He must have heard that speech given by former Senator Al D'Amato of NY to Congress: "We are the shepards and the people are the sheep and we shall lead them......" I really hope there are no "sheep" voting in November.

My understanding is that an officer above you puts you name in for a silver star......but Kerry put himself in for it. That is what is some vets are pissed about. That and the report that he "misplaced" his medals. Uh huh.

Bush was a test pilot. If he was not going to re-up, they are not going to spend thousands of dollars of training on new planes he was not going to fly. By the way, has anybody found out WHY he missed his physical?

I wish people could get ALL of the facts, not opinions. Read the 9/11 Report (and not the commented version by the New York Times, they tell you what to think). Go to the actual source, not some one's spin.

I really hope this "thread" dies and disappears...just like Michael Moore's career.

ONE OTHER POINT I WANT TO ADD. OF THE 144,000 JOBS CREATED RECENTLY, HOW MANY OF THEM ARE ABOVE A "BURGER KING" WAGE?? I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT 99.9 % OF THEM ARE BELOW THE COST OF LIVING. AS CORPORATIONS LIKE WALMART, KODAK, TARGET, HOME DEPOT, SQUEEZE THE LITTLE GUY OUT OF THE PICTURE, THEY CAN SET THEIR OWN PAY SCALES. SINCE REGAN BEGAN THE UNION BUSTING PROCESS, THE AVERAGE PERSON HAS NO POWER TO A FAIR LIVING WAGE.

Will Kerry's people ever question the validity of thw 144,000 jobs, as they pertain to a living wage? My guess is that you would need four of them to afford the gas and taxes, to and from work.

Factual Back-Up For Fahrenheit 9/11: Section One

THE FOLLOWING IS THE LINE BY LINE FACTUAL BACKUP FOR 'FAHRENHEIT 9/11'

Section One covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from the 2000 election to George W. Bush's extended visit to Booker Elementary on the morning of September 11th.


FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Fox was the first network to call Florida for Bush. Before that, some other networks had called Florida for Gore, and they changed after Fox called it for Bush.

With information provided from the Voter News Service, NBC was the first network to project Gore the winner in Florida at 7:48 pm. At 7:50 pm ,CNN and CBS project Gore the winner in Florida as well. By 8:02 pm , all five networks and the Associated Press had called Gore the winner in Florida. Even the VNS called Gore the winner at 7:52 pm. At 2:16 am, Fox calls Florida for Bush, NBC follows at 2:16 am. ABC is the last network to call the Florida for Bush, at 2:20 am, while AP and VNS never call Florida for Bush. CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/02/
cnn.report/cnn.pdf
Ten minutes after the top of the hour, network excitement was again beginning to build. At 2:16 a.m., the call was made: Fox News Channel, with Bush's first cousin John Ellis running its election desk, was the first to project Florida -- and the presidency -- for the Texas governor. Within minutes, the other networks followed suit. "George Bush, Governor of Texas will become the 43rd President of the United States," CNN's Bernard Shaw announced atop a graphic montage of a smiling Bush. "At 18 minutes past two o'clock Eastern time, CNN declares that George Walker Bush has won Florida's 25 electoral votes and this should put him over the top."PBS: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/election2000/
election_night.html
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The man who was in charge of the decision desk at FOX on election night was Bush's first cousin, John Ellis.

John Ellis, a first cousin of George W. Bush, ran the network's decision desk' during the 2000 election, and Fox was the first to name Bush the winner. Earlier, Ellis had made six phone calls to Cousin Bush during the vote-counting. William O'Rourke, Talk Radio Key to GOP Victory, Chicago Sun-Times, December 3, 2002.
A Fox News consultant, John Ellis, who made judgments about presidential calls' on Election Night admits he was in touch with George W. Bush and FL Gov. Jeb Bush by telephone several times during the night, but denies breaking any rules. CNN, November 14, 2000; http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/
11/14/politics/main249357.shtml.
John Ellis, the Fox consultant who called Florida early for George Bush, had to stop writing about the campaign for the Boston Globe because of family loyalty' to Bush. CBS News, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/
11/14/politics/main249357.shtml, November 14, 2000.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Make sure the chairman of your campaign is also the vote countin' woman and that her state has hired a company that's gonna knock voters off the rolls who aren't likely to vote for you. You can usually tell them by the color of their skin.

The vote total was certified by Florida's secretary of state, Katherine Harris, head of the Bush campaign in Florida, on behalf of Gov. Jeb Bush, the candidate's brother. Mark Zoller Seitz, Bush Team Conveyed an Air of Legitimacy, San Diego Union-Tribune, December 16, 2000.
The Florida Department of State awarded a $4 million contract to the Boca Raton-based Database Technologies Inc. (subsidiary of ChoicePoint). They were tasked with finding improperly registered voters in the state's database, but mistakes were rampant. At one point, the list included as felons 8,000 former Texas residents who had been convicted of misdemeanors. St. Petersburg Times (Florida), December 21, 2003.
Database Technologies, a subsidiary of ChoicePoint, was responsible for bungling an overhaul of Florida's voter registration records, with the result that thousands of people, disproportionately black, were disenfranchised in the 2000 election. Had they been able to vote, they might have swung the state, and thus the presidency, for Al Gore, who lost in Florida. Oliver Burkeman, Jo Tuckman, Firm in Florida Election Fiasco Earns Millions from Files on Foreigners, The Guardian, May 5, 2003 http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,949709,00.html. See also, Atlanta-Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001.
In 1997, Rick Rozar, the late head of the company bought by ChoicePoint, donated $100,000 to the Republican National Committee. Melanie Eversley, Atlanta-Based Company Says Errors in Felon Purge Not Its Fault, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001. Frank Borman of Database Technologies Inc. has donated extensively to New Mexico Republicans, as well as to the Presidential campaign of George W. Bush. Opensecrets.org, Frank Borman.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Gore got the most votes in 2000.

[A] consortium [Tribune Co., owner of the Times; Associated Press; CNN; the New York Times; the Palm Beach Post; the St. Petersburg Times; the Wall Street Journal; and the Washington Post] hired the NORC [National Opinion Research Center, a nonpartisan research organization affiliated with the University of Chicago] to view each untallied ballot and gather information about how it was marked. The media organizations then used computers to sort and tabulate votes, based on varying scenarios that had been raised during the post-election scramble in Florida. Under any standard that tabulated all disputed votes statewide, Mr. Gore erased Mr. Bush's advantage and emerged with a tiny lead that ranged from 42 to 171 votes. Donald Lambro, Recount Provides No Firm Answers, Washington Times, November 12, 2001.
The review found that the result would have been different if every canvassing board in every county had examined every undervote, a situation that no election or court authority had ordered. Gore had called for such a statewide manual recount if Bush would agree, but Bush rejected the idea and there was no mechanism in place to conduct one. Martin Merzer, Review of Ballots Finds Bush's Win Would Have Endured Manual Recount, Miami Herald, April 4, 2001.
See also, the following article by one of the Washington Post journalists who ran the consortium recount. The relevant point is made in Table I of the article. http://www.aei.org/docLib/20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Congressional Black Caucus members tried to object to the election outcome on the floor of the House; no Senator would sign the objections.

While Vice President Al Gore appeared to have accepted his fate contained in two wooden ballot boxes, Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus tried repeatedly to challenge the assignment of Florida's 25 electoral votes to Bush. More than a dozen Democrats followed suit, seeking to force a debate on the validity of Florida's vote on the grounds that all votes may not have been counted and that some voters were wrongly denied the right to vote. Susan Milligan, It's Really Over: Gore Bows Out Gracefully, Boston Globe, January 7, 2001.
The Congressional Black Caucus effort failed for lack of the necessary signature by any senator. Sen. Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) had previously advised Democratic senators not to cooperate. They did not.' Robert Novak, Sweeney Link Won't Help Chao, Chicago Sun-Times, January 14, 2001.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: On the day George W. Bush was inaugurated, tens of thousands of Americans poured into the streets of D.C. They pelted Bush's limo with eggs.

Shouting slogans like Hail to the Thief' and Selected, Not Elected,' tens of thousands of protesters descended on George W. Bush's inaugural parade route yesterday to proclaim that he and Vice President d**k Cheney had stolen' the election. Michael Kranish and Sue Kirchhoff, Thousands Protest Stolen' Election, Boston Globe, January 21, 2001.
Scuffles erupted between radicals and riot police while an egg struck the bullet-proof presidential limousine as it carried Mr. Bush and wife Laura to the White House. Damon Johnston, Bush Pledges Justice as Critics Throw Eggs, The Advertisers, January 22, 2001.
See also film footage.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The inauguration parade was brought to a halt and the traditional walk to the White House was scrapped.

Bush made one concession to the weather -- or to security concerns: He stayed in his limousine nearly the entire length of the mile-long inaugural parade, waving through a slightly foggy window. He got out to walk only for a brief distance when his motorcade reached the VIP grandstands in front of the Treasury Department and the White House. Doyle McManus, et al., Bush Vows to Bring Nation Together, Los Angeles Times, January, 21, 2001.
Bush's limo, which traveled most of the route at a slow walking pace, stopped dead just before it reached the corner of 14th St. and Pennsylvania Ave., where most of the protesters had congregated. Then it sped up dramatically, and Secret Service agents protecting the car on foot had to follow at a full run. When they reached a section of the parade route where the sidewalks were restricted to official ticketholders, Bush and his wife, Laura, who wore a flattering electric turquoise suit, got out of the limo to walk and greet supporters. Helen Kennedy, Bush Pledges a United US, New York Daily News, January 21, 2001.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: For the next eight months, it didn't get any better for George W. Bush.

In a poll conducted September 5 to September 9, 2001, Investor's Business Daily and the Christian Science Monitor showed President Bush's approval rating at 45%, down from 52% in May ( Investor's Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor Poll, conducted by TIPP, 9/5 to 9/9, 2001). Zogby's polling had Bush at 47% in late July 2001, down from 57% in February (Zogby, 7/26 to 7/29, 2001).
In June 2001, a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll showed President Bush's approval rating at 50 percent, which was the lowest presidential approval rating in five years. Richard L. Berke, G.O.P. Defends Bush in Face of Dip in Poll Ratings, The New York Times, June 29 2001
On July 26, 2001, in an article entitled Bush Lacks the Ability To Force Action on Hill, Dana Milbank of the Washington Post wrote, It may be premature to conclude that Bush has lost control of his agenda, but lawmakers and strategists in both parties said that Bush's next year is much more likely to look like the fractious month of July than like the orderly march toward Bush's tax cut this spring. The troubles began, of course, with Vermont Sen. James M. Jeffords' departure from the GOP, giving control of the Senate to the Democrats. But the problems are nearly as bad in the House, where moderates who supported Bush's tax cut are proving recalcitrant on other issues. They rebelled against GOP leaders on campaign finance reform and held up Bush's "faith-based" legislation over concerns about discrimination. Next week, they're likely to oppose Bush's proposal to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
California energy crisis also took a toll on Bush's approval ratings. Due to rolling blackouts and rising utility bills Bush's ratings took a toll among Californians. The poll showed that almost as many Californians disapproved of the President's job as approved of it with an approve/disapprove of 42/40. Calif. Governor Says He'll Sue to Force Government Action, The Houston Chronicle, May 30, 2001.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: In his first eight months in office before September 11, George W. Bush was on vacation, according to the Washington Post, forty-two percent of the time.

News coverage has pointedly stressed that W.'s month-long stay at his ranch in Crawford is the longest presidential vacation in 32 years. Washington Post supercomputers calculated that if you add up all his weekends at Camp David, layovers at Kennebunkport and assorted to-ing and fro-ing, W. will have spent 42 percent of his presidency at vacation spots or en route.' Charles Krauthammer, A Vacation Bush Deserves, The Washington Post, August 10, 2001.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Bush relaxes at Camp David, Kennebunkport and his ranch in Crawford Texas.

As of April 2004, President Bush had made 33 trips to Crawford during his presidency, bringing his total to more than 230 days at the ranch in just over three years. Add his 78 trips to Camp David and five to his family's compound at Kennebunkport, Maine, and Bush has spent all or part of 500 days or about 40 percent of his presidency at one of these his three retreats. Bush Retreats to a Favorite Getaway: Crawford ranch, Houston Chronicle, April 11, 2004.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: On Sept. 10, 2001 , Bush joined his brother in Florida where he slept the night in a bed made of fine French linens.

Bush has not been bashful about visiting Florida, ground zero in the vote-recount battle that followed last year's election. On this trip, he was spending a good deal of time with his brother, Gov. Jeb Bush. " President to Push Congress on Education in Fourth Florida Visit, Associated Press, September 10, 2001; See also, CNN Inside Politics, September 10, 2001.
Two individuals prepared the president's room and made the bed with some of the family's fine French linens. Tom Bayles, The Day Before Everything Changed, President Bush Touched Locals' Lives, Sarasota Herald-Tribune, September 10, 2002.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: As the attack took place, Mr. Bush was on his way to an elementary school in Florida . When informed of the first plane hitting the World Trade Center, where terrorists had struck just eight years prior, Bush just decided to go ahead with his photo opportunity.

NOTE: It should be emphasized that at the time Bush was notified of the first plane attack, he (unlike the rest of America) was already aware that Osama bin Laden was planning to attack America by hijacking airplanes, per the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief (PDB). He was also aware, of course, that the World Trade Center had been historically a target for terrorist attacks. He nonetheless went ahead with this photo opportunity in a school full of children.

Mr. Bush arrived at the school, just before 9 am, expecting to be met by its motherly principal, Gwen Rigell. Instead he was pulled sharply aside by the familiar, bulky figure of 51-year-old Karl Rove, a veteran political fixer and trusted aide of both Mr. Bush and his father, George Sr. Mr. Rove, a fellow Texan with an expansive manner and a colorful turn of phrase, told the President that a large commercial airliner (American Flight 11) had crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Centre . Mr. Bush clenched his teeth, lowered his bottom lip and said something inaudible. Then he went into the school. William Langley, Revealed: What Really Went on During Bush's Missing Hours,' The Telegraph, December 16, 2001.
The airborne attack on the World Trade Center was at least the second terrorist attempt to topple the landmarks. In 1993, terrorists sought to bomb one building so that it would explode and fall into the other. The plot did not succeed, but six people were killed and more than 1,000 injured. Cragg Hines, Terrorists Strike from Air; Jetliners Slam into Pentagon, Trade Center The Houston Chronicle, September 11, 2001.
August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief (PDB), Bin Ladin Determined to Strike Inside US: Al-Qa'ida members -- including some who are US citizens -- have resided in or traveled to the US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York. August 6, 2001, Bin Ladin Determined to Strike Inside US, http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: When the second plane hit the tower, his chief of staff entered the classroom and told Mr. Bush the nation is under attack.

At 9:05 a.m., the White House chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr., stepped into the classroom and whispered into the president's right ear, A second plane hit the other tower, and America's under attack.' David E. Sanger and Don Van Natta Jr., After The Attacks: The Events; In Four Days, A National Crisis Changes Bush's Presidency, The New York Times, September 16, 2001.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Mr. Bush just sat there and continued to read My Pet Goat.

It was while attending a second-grade reading class at Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla., to promote his education reforms that President Bush learned America was under attack. In the presence of her VIP guest, teacher Sandra Kay Daniels, 45, conducted the day's lesson, which centered on a story about a pet goat. 9/11: A Year After, Los Angeles Times, September 11, 2002.
President Bush listened to 18 Booker Elementary School second-graders read a story about a girl's pet goat Tuesday before he spoke briefly and somberly about the terrorist attacks. Bush hears of attack while visiting Booker, Sarasota Herald-Tribune, September 12, 2001.
See also film footage.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Nearly seven minutes passed with nobody doing anything.

[H]e lingered in the room for another six minutes [after being informed of the second plane] [At] 9:12, he abruptly retreated, speaking to Mr. Cheney and New York officials. David E. Sanger and Don Van Natta Jr., After The Attacks: The Events;In Four Days, A National Crisis Changes Bush's Presidency, The New York Times, September 16, 2001 .
Mr. Bush remained in the elementary school for nearly a half an hour after Andy Card whispered in his ear. Michael Kranish, Bush: US To Hunt Down Attackers, Boston Globe, September 11, 2001

I don't know where these comments come from. I am a former U.S. Marine, and will teach you folks a lesson in civil liberties, courage, honor & patriotism.

First of all, MM is the only person/citizen who has shown extraordinary courage in the face of overwhelming criticism and personal assaults.

I have been screaming for impeachment of Bush (Impeach Bush.org) for over three years, but none, yes - none of my elected officials has the courage to go after this thief and criminal who has hi-jacked the biggest most important office in this country.

The entire Bush agenda is about profit & more profit, at whatever expense he is willing to sacrifice on his ficticious wars, no matter the cost to hard working Americans.

We have a VP who still receives income from a company he is supposed to divest himself from, all the while, his company - Halliburton, receives unchallenged "no bid" contracts in the billions, our children are dying for his check.

Every member of the PNAC has received a very cushy job in this White House. This organziation seeks military power and domination of the entire world. The Soviets kept us in check during the 80s & 90s; now, no Soviets to stop them, so the PNAC has found a friend in George w. Bush, the "Commander & Thief."

Bush likes to say, "I am for the environemnt, the soldiers, our forests & air;" but the real truth of the matter is, he cares nothing for Americans or this land. To him, our country is nothing more than a ship seized on the open waters giving him the opportunity to rape, pillage & plunder our resources like a pirate (no offense to courageous pirates of the past).

That is why he has opened up OUR federal lands to his developer buddies/2000 campaign supporters, immediately cut funding to his "NO Child Left Behind" bogus campaign, tried to make soldiers pay for their flights home while on R & R from the warzone & reduce their pay & benfits, cut funding for the enforcement of our environmental laws, while allowing more buddies from the lumber industries to cut "old growth" forests that have gone untouch/unspoiled for hundreds of thousands of years, lifted pollution levels of atrazine, sulfur dioxides, mercury & other highly volatile chemicals into the air we breathe & the water we drink, all in guise of a supposed "Clear Air Rule" or a "Healthy Forest Initiative."

No folks, I beg to differ with you. MM is undoubtedly the most courageous man I have ever known in my lifetime, Chesty Puller (famous U.S. Marine), would be proud of Michael Moore, just like ALL OF AMERICA should be.

He is the only man to "out" the corruption of this adminstration.

I tell you one for sure, if MM ever decides to run for President of the United States, I would not only vote for him, but would be honored to stand next to him.

I don't know where these comments come from. I am a former U.S. Marine, and will teach you folks a lesson in civil liberties, courage, honor & patriotism.

First of all, MM is the only person/citizen who has shown extraordinary courage in the face of overwhelming criticism and personal assaults.

I have been screaming for impeachment of Bush (Impeach Bush.org) for over three years, but none, yes - none of my elected officials has the courage to go after this thief and criminal who has hi-jacked the biggest most important office in this country.

The entire Bush agenda is about profit & more profit, at whatever expense he is willing to sacrifice on his ficticious wars, no matter the cost to hard working Americans.

We have a VP who still receives income from a company he is supposed to divest himself from, all the while, his company - Halliburton, receives unchallenged "no bid" contracts in the billions, our children are dying for his check.

Every member of the PNAC has received a very cushy job in this White House. This organziation seeks military power and domination of the entire world. The Soviets kept us in check during the 80s & 90s; now, no Soviets to stop them, so the PNAC has found a friend in George w. Bush, the "Commander & Thief."

Bush likes to say, "I am for the environemnt, the soldiers, our forests & air;" but the real truth of the matter is, he cares nothing for Americans or this land. To him, our country is nothing more than a ship seized on the open waters giving him the opportunity to rape, pillage & plunder our resources like a pirate (no offense to courageous pirates of the past).

That is why he has opened up OUR federal lands to his developer buddies/2000 campaign supporters, immediately cut funding to his "NO Child Left Behind" bogus campaign, tried to make soldiers pay for their flights home while on R & R from the warzone & reduce their pay & benfits, cut funding for the enforcement of our environmental laws, while allowing more buddies from the lumber industries to cut "old growth" forests that have gone untouch/unspoiled for hundreds of thousands of years, lifted pollution levels of atrazine, sulfur dioxides, mercury & other highly volatile chemicals into the air we breathe & the water we drink, all in guise of a supposed "Clear Air Rule" or a "Healthy Forest Initiative."

No folks, I beg to differ with you. MM is undoubtedly the most courageous man I have ever known in my lifetime, Chesty Puller (famous U.S. Marine), would be proud of Michael Moore, just like ALL OF AMERICA should be.

He is the only man to "out" the corruption of this adminstration.

I tell you one for sure, if MM ever decides to run for President of the United States, I would not only vote for him, but would be honored to stand next to him.

I don't know where these comments come from. I am a former U.S. Marine, and will teach you folks a lesson in civil liberties, courage, honor & patriotism.

First of all, MM is the only person/citizen who has shown extraordinary courage in the face of overwhelming criticism and personal assaults.

I have been screaming for impeachment of Bush (Impeach Bush.org) for over three years, but none, yes - none of my elected officials has the courage to go after this thief and criminal who has hi-jacked the biggest most important office in this country.

The entire Bush agenda is about profit & more profit, at whatever expense he is willing to sacrifice on his ficticious wars, no matter the cost to hard working Americans.

We have a VP who still receives income from a company he is supposed to divest himself from, all the while, his company - Halliburton, receives unchallenged "no bid" contracts in the billions, our children are dying for his check.

Every member of the PNAC has received a very cushy job in this White House. This organziation seeks military power and domination of the entire world. The Soviets kept us in check during the 80s & 90s; now, no Soviets to stop them, so the PNAC has found a friend in George w. Bush, the "Commander & Thief."

Bush likes to say, "I am for the environemnt, the soldiers, our forests & air;" but the real truth of the matter is, he cares nothing for Americans or this land. To him, our country is nothing more than a ship seized on the open waters giving him the opportunity to rape, pillage & plunder our resources like a pirate (no offense to courageous pirates of the past).

That is why he has opened up OUR federal lands to his developer buddies/2000 campaign supporters, immediately cut funding to his "NO Child Left Behind" bogus campaign, tried to make soldiers pay for their flights home while on R & R from the warzone & reduce their pay & benfits, cut funding for the enforcement of our environmental laws, while allowing more buddies from the lumber industries to cut "old growth" forests that have gone untouch/unspoiled for hundreds of thousands of years, lifted pollution levels of atrazine, sulfur dioxides, mercury & other highly volatile chemicals into the air we breathe & the water we drink, all in guise of a supposed "Clear Air Rule" or a "Healthy Forest Initiative."

No folks, I beg to differ with you. MM is undoubtedly the most courageous man I have ever known in my lifetime, Chesty Puller (famous U.S. Marine), would be proud of Michael Moore, just like ALL OF AMERICA should be.

He is the only man to "out" the corruption of this adminstration.

I tell you one for sure, if MM ever decides to run for President of the United States, I would not only vote for him, but would be honored to stand next to him.

I don't know where these comments come from. I am a former U.S. Marine, and will teach you folks a lesson in civil liberties, courage, honor & patriotism.

First of all, MM is the only person/citizen who has shown extraordinary courage in the face of overwhelming criticism and personal assaults.

I have been screaming for impeachment of Bush (Impeach Bush.org) for over three years, but none, yes - none of my elected officials has the courage to go after this thief and criminal who has hi-jacked the biggest most important office in this country.

The entire Bush agenda is about profit & more profit, at whatever expense he is willing to sacrifice on his ficticious wars, no matter the cost to hard working Americans.

We have a VP who still receives income from a company he is supposed to divest himself from, all the while, his company - Halliburton, receives unchallenged "no bid" contracts in the billions, our children are dying for his check.

Every member of the PNAC has received a very cushy job in this White House. This organziation seeks military power and domination of the entire world. The Soviets kept us in check during the 80s & 90s; now, no Soviets to stop them, so the PNAC has found a friend in George w. Bush, the "Commander & Thief."

Bush likes to say, "I am for the environemnt, the soldiers, our forests & air;" but the real truth of the matter is, he cares nothing for Americans or this land. To him, our country is nothing more than a ship seized on the open waters giving him the opportunity to rape, pillage & plunder our resources like a pirate (no offense to courageous pirates of the past).

That is why he has opened up OUR federal lands to his developer buddies/2000 campaign supporters, immediately cut funding to his "NO Child Left Behind" bogus campaign, tried to make soldiers pay for their flights home while on R & R from the warzone & reduce their pay & benfits, cut funding for the enforcement of our environmental laws, while allowing more buddies from the lumber industries to cut "old growth" forests that have gone untouch/unspoiled for hundreds of thousands of years, lifted pollution levels of atrazine, sulfur dioxides, mercury & other highly volatile chemicals into the air we breathe & the water we drink, all in guise of a supposed "Clear Air Rule" or a "Healthy Forest Initiative."

No folks, I beg to differ with you. MM is undoubtedly the most courageous man I have ever known in my lifetime, Chesty Puller (famous U.S. Marine), would be proud of Michael Moore, just like ALL OF AMERICA should be.

He is the only man to "out" the corruption of this adminstration.

I tell you one for sure, if MM ever decides to run for President of the United States, I would not only vote for him, but would be honored to stand next to him.

Bush's National Guard File Missing Records

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WASHINGTON - Documents that should have been written to explain gaps in President Bush (news - web sites)'s Texas Air National Guard service are missing from the military records released about his service in 1972 and 1973, according to regulations and outside experts.

For example, Air National Guard regulations at the time required commanders to write an investigative report for the Air Force when Bush missed his annual medical exam in 1972. The regulations also required commanders to confirm in writing that Bush received counseling after missing five months of drills.

No such records have been made public and the government told The Associated Press in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit that it has released all records it can find.

Outside experts suggest that National Guard commanders may not have produced documentation required by their own regulations.

"One of the downfalls back then in the National Guard was that not everyone wanted to be chief of staff of the Air Force. They just wanted to fly or maintain airplanes. So the record keeping could have been better," said retired Maj. Gen. Paul A. Weaver Jr., a former head of the Air National Guard. He said the documents may not have been kept in the first place.

Challenging the government's declaration that no more documents exist, the AP identified five categories of records that should have been generated after Bush skipped his pilot's physical and missed five months of training.

"Each of these actions by any member of the National Guard should have generated the creation of many documents that have yet to be produced," AP lawyer David Schulz wrote the Justice Department (news - web sites) Aug. 26.

White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said there were no other documents to explain discrepancies in Bush's files.

Military service during the Vietnam War has become an issue in the presidential election as both candidates debate the current wars in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites).

Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) commanded a Navy Swift boat in Vietnam and won five medals, including a Silver Star. But his heroism has been challenged in ads by some veterans who support Bush.

The president served stateside in the Air National Guard during Vietnam. Democrats have accused him of shirking his Guard service and getting favored treatment as the son of a prominent Washington figure.

The AP talked to experts unaffiliated with either campaign who have reviewed Bush's files for missing documents. They said it was not unusual for guard commanders to ignore deficiencies by junior officers such as Bush. But they said missing a physical exam, which caused him to be grounded, was not common.

"It's sort of like a code of honor that you didn't go DNF (duty not including flying)," said retired Air Force Col. Leonard Walls, who flew 181 combat missions over Vietnam. "There was a lot of pride in keeping combat-ready status."

Bush has said he fulfilled all his obligations. He was in the Texas Air National Guard from 1968 to 1973 and was trained to fly F-102 fighters.

"I'm proud of my service," Bush told a rally last weekend in Lima, Ohio.

Records of Bush's service have significant gaps, starting in 1972. Bush has said he left Texas that year to work on the unsuccessful Senate campaign in Alabama of family friend Winton Blount.

The five kinds of missing files are:

_A report from the Texas Air National Guard to Bush's local draft board certifying that Bush remained in good standing. The government has released copies of those DD Form 44 documents for Bush for 1971 and earlier years but not for 1972 or 1973. Records from Bush's draft board in Houston do not show his draft status changed after he joined the guard in 1968. The AP obtained the draft board records Aug. 27 under the Freedom of Information Act.

_Records of a required investigation into why Bush lost flight status. When Bush skipped his 1972 physical, regulations required his Texas commanders to "direct an investigation as to why the individual failed to accomplish the medical examination," according to the Air Force manual at the time. An investigative report was supposed to be forwarded "with the command recommendation" to Air Force officials "for final determination."

Bush's spokesmen have said he skipped the exam because he knew he would be doing desk duty in Alabama. But Bush was required to take the physical by the end of July 1972, more than a month before he won final approval to train in Alabama.

_A written acknowledgment from Bush that he had received the orders grounding him. His Texas commanders were ordered to have Bush sign such a document; but none has been released.

_Reports of formal counseling sessions Bush was required to have after missing more than three training sessions. Bush missed at least five months' worth of National Guard training in 1972. No documents have surfaced indicating Bush was counseled or had written authorization to skip that training or make it up later. Commanders did have broad discretion to allow guardsmen to make up for missed training sessions, said Weaver and Lawrence Korb, Pentagon (news - web sites) personnel chief during the Reagan administration from 1981 to 1985.

"If you missed it, you could make it up," said Korb, who now works for the Center for American Progress, which supports Kerry.

_A signed statement from Bush acknowledging he could be called to active duty if he did not promptly transfer to another guard unit after leaving Texas. The statement was required as part of a Vietnam-era crackdown on no-show guardsmen. Bush was approved in September 1972 to train with the Alabama unit, more than four months after he left Texas.

Bush was approved approval to train in September, October and November 1972 with the Alabama Air National Guard's 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group. The only record tying Bush to that unit is a dental exam at the group's Montgomery base in January 1973. No records have been released giving Bush permission to train with the 187th after November 1972.

Walls, the Air Force combat veteran, was assigned to the 187th in 1972 and 1973 to train its pilots to fly the F-4 Phantom. Walls and more than a dozen other members of the 187th say they never saw Bush. One member of the unit, retired Lt. Col. John Calhoun, has said he remembers Bush showing up for training with the 187th.

Pay records show Bush was credited for training in January, April and May 1973; other files indicate that service was outside Texas.

A May 1973 yearly evaluation from Bush's Texas unit gives the future president no ratings and stated Bush had not been seen at the Texas base since April 1972. In a directive from June 29, 1973, an Air Force personnel official pressed Bush's unit for information about his Alabama service.

"This officer should have been reassigned in May 1972," wrote Master Sgt. Daniel P. Harkness, "since he no longer is training in his AFSC (Air Force Service Category, or job title) or with his unit of assignment."

Then-Maj. Rufus G. Martin replied Nov. 12, 1973: "Not rated for the period 1 May 72 through 30 Apr 73. Report for this period not available for administrative reasons."

By then, Texas Air National Guard officials had approved Bush's request to leave the guard to attend Harvard Business School; his last days of duty were in July 1973.

the "gentleman" who started this argument (with intent, I believe) has left it. So getting back to the issue here. Has anyone been watching the conventions? I mean it gives new meaning to what Moore was stating in his "docudrama". I was amazed and amused when the crowd at the Republican convention broke into a rousing chant of "four more years, four more years" and ALL media covering the convention honed in on Moore (who is covering it for U.S.A. today), who was chanted "2 more months, 2 more months". Media opinion or just coincidence?

I will open another door here once again. I declare myself Democrat BUT if the Republican candidate offers something more feasible than the dem, well my vote for that office will be with the Republican. I have been watching some evenings (due to the fact that it is on every free channel everywhere. Dems only took one), and I will say that GW'S statement of " A letter opener on the hands of Sadam Hussain, IS a weapon of mass destruction", almost won me over. The man obviously had good speach writers because he really did talk a good game. Unemployment is up since he took office, the treat of terrorism appears as needed, and he has made it almost impossible for small/med sized business owners to be able to offer healthcare benefits to their employees.

He tried to blame past administration for the high unemployment but failed, since the numbers ALL point at him. He uses fear and terrorism as a control factor. Watch those letter openers okay? He cries wolf like the boy Peter in the story and when we really need to pay attention, well you know how that story ends don't ya?

He has proposed that more people take advantage of the "free" healthcare availible in their communities, all the while he is cutting the funding to them. Good idea. Just an example. In Louisiana there are two very prominiant diseases. One is Hepititis C and the other is Diabetes. At the "free" hospital here they have had to closed both those clinics along with others because of budgetary cuts. So all in all what free healthcare is there?

He did talk a good game and I applaud him for trying. Effort gets him an A content F-.

Was your last rebuttal meant for me? I think you meant to post "TO DARREN" instead of "YOU TELL EM AARON." Am I correct?

It Takes Real Courage to Desert Your Post and Then Attack a Wounded Vet

August 26, 2004

It Takes Real Courage to Desert Your Post and Then Attack a Wounded Vet

Dear Mr. Bush,

I know you and I have had our differences in the past, and I realize I am the one who started this whole mess about "who did what" during Vietnam when I brought up that "deserter" nonsense back in January. But I have to hand it to you on what you have uncovered about John Kerry and his record in Vietnam. Kerry has tried to pass himself off as a war hero, but thanks to you and your friends, we now know the truth.

First of all, thank you for pointing out to all of us that Mr. Kerry was never struck by a BULLET. It was only SHRAPNEL that entered his body! I did not know that! Hell, what's the big deal about a bunch of large, sharp, metal shards ripping open your flesh? That happens to all of us! In my opinion, if you want a purple heart, you'd better be hit by a bullet -- with your name on it!

Secondly, thank you for sending Bob Dole out there and letting us know that Mr. Kerry, though wounded three times, actually "never spilled blood." When you are in the debates with Kerry, turn to him and say, "Dammit, Mr. Kerry, next time you want a purple heart, you better spill some American red blood! And I don't mean a few specks like those on O.J.'s socks -- we want to see a good pint or two of blood for each medal. In fact, I would have preferred that you had bled profusely, a big geyser of blood spewing out of your neck or something!" Then throw this one at him: "Senator Kerry, over 58,000 brave Americans gave their lives in Vietnam -- but YOU didn't. You only got WOUNDED! What do you have to say for yourself???" Lay that one on him and he won't know what to do.

And thanks, also, Mr. Bush, for exposing the fact that Mr. Kerry might have actually WOUNDED HIMSELF in order to get those shiny medals. Of course he did! How could the Viet Cong have hit him -- he was on a SWIFT boat! He was going too fast to be hit by enemy fire. He tried to blow himself up three different times just so he could go home and run for president someday. It's all so easy to see, now, what he was up to.

What would we do without you, Mr. Bush? Criticize you as we might, when it comes to pointing out other men's military records, there is no one who can touch your prowess. In 2000, you let out the rumor that your opponent John McCain might be "nuts" from the 5 years he spent in a POW camp. Then, in the 2002 elections, your team compared triple-amputee Sen. Max Cleland to Osama bin Laden, and that cost him the election. And now you are having the same impact on war hero John Kerry. Since you (oops, I mean "The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!") started running those ads, Kerry's poll numbers have dropped (with veterans, he has lost 18 points in the last few weeks).

Some people have said "Who are you, Mr. Bush, to attack these brave men considering you yourself have never seen combat -- in fact, you actively sought to avoid it." What your critics fail to understand is that even though your dad got you into a unit that would never be sent to Vietnam -- and even though you didn't show up for Guard duty for at least a year -- at least you were still IN FAVOR of the Vietnam War! Cowards like Clinton felt it was more important to be consistent (he opposed the war, thus he refused to go) than to be patriotic and two-faced.

The reason that I think you know so much about other men's war wounds is because, during your time in the Texas Air National Guard, you suffered so many of them yourself. Consider the paper cut you received on September 22, 1972, while stationed in Alabama, working on a Senate campaign for your dad's friend (when you were supposed to be on the Guard base). A campaign brochure appeared from nowhere, ambushing your right index finger, and blood trickled out onto your brand new argyle sweater.

Then there was the incident with the Crazy Glue when your fraternity brothers visited you one weekend at the base and glued your lips together while you were "passed out." Though initially considered "friendly fire," it was later ruled that you suffered severe post traumatic stress disorder from the assault and required certain medicinal attention -- which, it seems, was provided by those same fraternity brethren.

But nothing matched your heroism when, on July 2, 1969, you sustained a massive head injury when enemy combatants from another Guard unit dropped a keg of Coors on your head during a reconnaissance mission at a nearby all-girls college. Fortunately, the cool, smooth fluids that poured out of the keg were exactly what was needed to revive you.

That you never got a purple heart for any of these incidents is a shame. I can fully appreciate your anger at Senator Kerry for the three he received. I mean, Kerry was a man of privilege, he could have gotten out just like you. Instead, he thinks he's going to gain points with the American people bragging about how he was getting shot at every day in the Mekong Delta. Ha! Is that the best he can do? Hell, I hear gunfire every night outside my apartment window! If he thinks he is going to impress anyone with the fact that he volunteered to go when he could have spent the Vietnam years on the family yacht, he should think again. That only shows how stupid he was! True-blue Americans want a president who knows how to pull strings and work the system and get away with doing as little work as possible!

So, to make it up to you, I have written some new ads you can use on TV. People will soon tire of the swift boat veterans and you are going to need some fresh, punchier material. Feel free to use any of these:

ANNOUNCER: "When the bullets were flying all around him in Vietnam, what did John Kerry do? He said he leaned over the boat and 'pulled a man out of the river.' But, as we all know, men don't live in the river -- fish do. John Kerry knows how to tell a big fish tale. What he won't tell you is that when the enemy was shooting at him, he ducked. Do you want a president who will duck? Vote Bush."

ANNOUNCER: "Mr. Kerry's biggest supporter, Sen. Max Cleland, claims to have lost two legs and an arm in Vietnam. But he still has one arm! How did that happen? One word: Cowardice. When duty called, he was unwilling to give his last limb. Is that the type of selfishness you want hanging out in the White House? We think not. Vote for the man who would be willing to give America his right frontal lobe. Vote Bush."

Hope these help, Mr. Bush. And remember, when the American death toll in Iraq hits 1,000 during the Republican convention, be sure to question whether those who died really did indeed "die" -- or were they just trying to get their faces on CNN's nightly tribute to fallen heroes? The sixteen who've died so far this week were probably working hand in hand with the Kerry campaign to ruin your good time in New York. Stay consistent, sir, and always, ALWAYS question the veracity of anyone who risks their life for this country. It's the least they deserve.

Yours,

Michael Moore
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P.S. George, I know you said you don't read the newspaper, but USA Today has given me credentials to the Republican convention to write a guest column each day next week (Tues.-Fri.). If you don't want to read it, you and I will be in the same building so maybe I could come by and read it to you? Lemme know...

Obvioulsy YOUR education is a RIPOFF! You need to file it! WHERE do you see where I posted that I support Bush! I only posted about golddiggers bragging on this board and my disagreement towards! Shows JUST how uneducated YOU are when you claim to be so "smart", yet you don't have a problem with golddigging bimbos posting OFF The subject and you catagorize rednecks as "racist". If YOU were were "educated" you would know
that redneck is just a word for a peron who loves the country NOT a racist! Some of the BIGGEST racists are from the CITY! From the NORTH! I bet you are the MAIN one claiming to be so "color blind" but yet when dating only search for WHITE WOMEN! HYPOCRITE! There are also educated rednecks and at the same time ANY
KOOK and get a degree and there are PLENTY KOOKY
liberal loon professors holding conservative students prisoner and just about forcing them to accept their left-loon ideas! So before you post a long novel, do your RESEARCH instead of making yourself look even more stupid!

I have been reading these rants and I'm astonished by the obvious anger and hatred portrayed here.

I was interested in reading people's responses to the first entry about Michael Moore, which in my own opinionated mind was silly. But all the name-calling and bashing is ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, be it Michael Moore, Darren, Pamela, Robert, Tom, d**k or Harry.

What the problem is with this country is that both republicans and democrats think everything is cut and dry and it's not. I'm a registered democrat, but there are certain democratic beliefs that I disagree with and on those issues I would tend to lean toward a republican vote. For instance, I am for capital punishment.
But I would never vote for Bush for president.

I think his big talk about ending terrorism has gotten way out of hand and the war he wages continues with further loss of life. I think his speaking skills are apalling. I think he is for the rich man and has little regard for the average American. The list goes on. I commend Michael Moore for showing the world just what kind of person George Bush, Jr. is. Without people like Michael Moore we wouldn't have a chance to see behind the scenes.

Conservatives will bash me for saying this because they are so defensive of Bush, Jr. Many of them are the same conservative folks who are synonomous with religious fanaticism, prejudice, and ignorance. But that is only my opinion--which I am entitled to. I don't have to call anyone names or be upset in knowing that I will be next on the list to have a name hurled at. I don't really care because I know it can't do anything to me. It does not change the way I feel, act, or live. When people have to call each other names back and forth to try and prove a point, it's time to call it a done deal, don't you think?

One comment on white trash vs. trash of any other color. Trash is trash no matter what color it is. I think it's interesting that there is no equivalent for a person of color. Well, there is one, but nobody will use it because it's not politically correct. Nor should they. I hate racially slanderous words--including white trash. It's as racially demeaning as the "n" word.

And here is something to think about:
If you put a group of children together--say 5 and 6 year olds--they will play together happily. They will run around together, play games together, eat together, watch television together, hug each other, hold hands, laugh together, and love each other. It is how those children are raised and trained that will cause them to be discriminatory against race, sex, religion, etc.

It is the parents who will plant the seed for prejudice to form. 5 and 6 year old kids don't care what color skin is, how much money a person makes, what religion they follow, or any of the things adults are so concerned with that make societies hate each other. Perhaps we should all think about that and learn something from it.

Obvioulsy YOUR education is a RIPOFF! You need to file it! WHERE do you see where I posted that I support Bush! I only posted about golddiggers bragging on this board and my disagreement towards! Shows JUST how uneducated YOU are when you claim to be so "smart", yet you don't have a problem with golddigging bimbos posting OFF The subject and you catagorize rednecks as "racist". If YOU were were "educated" you would know that redneck is just a word for a peron who loves the country NOT a racist! Some of the BIGGEST racists are from the CITY! From the NORTH! I bet you are the MAIN one claiming to be so "color blind" but yet when dating only search for WHITE WOMEN! HYPOCRITE! There are also educated rednecks and at the same time ANY KOOK and get a degree and there are PLENTY KOOKY liberal loon professors holding conservative students prisoner and just about forcing them to accept their left-loon ideas! So before you post a long novel, do your RESEARCH instead of making yourself look even more stupid!

....for someone to turn out the lights on this rambling, turned ascerbic link and everyone go home.

First of all, I am surprised that this conversation is still going on. Michael Moore has faded in the background like I thought he would since most of the people who really cared enough to see his movie havae already seen it and the others won't bother. I still haven't bothered.

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This is to Wendy's attack on me, which I finally saw....

Quoting her....

MM film is full of facts, you can call it lies and propoganda if you wish, but tell me then why there has been no charges or lawsuits brought against him. Certainly if it is lies, then a suit of slander and one for lible should surely have been filed. and finally to Tammy in Lowville, NY. You are a simple country girl, Barney fife and the rest of the gang reside in lowville, I know this for a fact, I used to live in watertown Ny, a mere 10 miles from the little shitty town tammy lives in. I lived in watertown for 6 months, forced to move and give up everything because my fiance' was stationed there and he couldnt do anything for himself, and the army wouldnt help him, he couldnt do his own laundry because he couldnt carry it, he couldnt eat in the mess hall because the food made him throw up or kept him on the toilet for the day.

The local hospital where the surgery was performed is Samaritan Hospital, if your sick and maybe will die if you dont go there, take your leave and go in peace. Walter minaert is the dirtiest surgeon in NY, like i said above if your gonna die, go in peace before you let this filthy surgeon operate on you. We were forced to go to this scumbag of a human being because the military forced us to, we had no right to a second opinoin or to seek out another surgeon, for that we have had to put off our wedding and having children.

Last words, If you dont see the movie you are a coward,like dumya the deserter, you just dont want to see the truth about what a liar this a*****e is. and I hope you like paying more in taxes than multi-million dollar companies, because he gives them tax breaks while you pay more because you dont make over a million a year, your all just suckers, get informed and stop being suckered by the lies and rhetoric of this idiot. Ciao

Wendy - Joplin, Missouri
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I am truly sorry to hear of your troubles in Watertown. Watertown and upstate New York are a real hard place to live because the economy is so bad for the most part and I know many people who struggle to make it work.

My husband was stationed at Ft. Drum, New York. We actually met in Ft. Leondard WOod, MO which is not too far from where you live. I went to college in Springfield, MO and if I recall correctly, Missouri was not that much differenct from upstate New York. It is a real rural area, and very country.

But despite its rural atmosphere, yes I admit that I am somewhat of a country girl at heart. i have livced in Metropolitan areas and have been in citiies. I am in the process of moving to another metropolitan area this next month and I will defend the country folk. I have never felt more welcomed and treated with more respect and manners than I have experienced in Lowville and Watertown. I guess it depends on how you look at people and how much you give. You have to give in order to get. I have met many fine people in upstate New York and I am finding that there are fine people at every base that I have lived at. there are also those whiners and bellyachers who cant find peace no matter where they are at.

I hope you find what you are looking for.

As to this topic, Michael Moore is now a dead issue like I thought he would be.

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For the person who wanted to know why a government official hasn't come out and condemmed Michael MOore's movie. Why should they? They don't have the time or the resources to argue with every filmmaker, critic etc. TO do so would give them more credibility than they deserve. I think that they did the smart thing. Just let Moore have his fun in the sun for the brief time and let the facts come out and speak for themselves. They are already soing so.


Take care all.

I, too, am of Native American Descent. You just called one of your own a "REDNECK." Obviously you, just like other liberals wanting a handout, believe in double standards that only caters to yourselves. I want to make make one thing clear: I AM AN AMERICAN.

Not a NATIVE, not a NATIVE-AMERCAN, not a SCOTCH-IRISH AMERICAN, not a DUTCH-AMERICAN, and not a GERMAN-AMERICAN. I'm d**n sure not an AFRICAN-AMERICAN. Simply put, I am an AMERICAN, plain and simple. Ultimately, all races originated in Mesopotamia. At one time or another every race had to come here, dumbass!

Last July, I went out to South Dakota to teach children how to box. I donated my time in order to live with the people for awhile. The only pay that I received was a Sioux tipi. I just raised it on my property in Townsend about a month ago. I payed special attention to the ceremony, in order to show respect. Darren, I bet that you've never done anything like that you leech.

The one thing that you forgot to mention anything about was Michael Moore's movie, which is what this post is dedicated to. Did they not teach you to read on the reservation or what? What the hell is Native Hip-Hop music? You've bought into the whole inner-city thing haven't you? What a joke. You may be proud of your ancestry, but I would be willing to say that THEY'RE not proud of you. HIP HOP SUCKS! And I bet your brand of "Native HIP HOP" sucks even more. You are disgraceful!

As long as terms like REDNECK, HILLBILLY, etc. are considered PC, then I have no problem using any other RACIST slang. I'm not a member of the KKK as you think. The clan never was much of an organization. Most of their members are just big talkers like yourself. I'm quite different than that. I believe in ACTION also.

You wrote in your rebuttal that "A redneck is obviously a racist or a prejudiced person." That's where your wrong. The term Redneck came about becuase of the color of someones neck who had been working in the sun most of the day. Usually these folks were farmers. When these farmers would go to town to get supplies, the city folk didn't like the fact that they weren't as sophisticated as them. Hence, the term redneck came about. According to your defintion that makes most former slaves prejudiced racists since they toiled hard in the sun for many hours a day. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... That makes most of your Native American ancestors REDNECKS also, since they spent so much time outdoors. Was your given name "RUNS LIKE SQUIRREL" or "PLAYS WITH SELF."

That's some philosophy you got going there. You speak of the color of someones skin as not being part of your judgement, and then turn right around and label them for it. Your lost! Especially in this argument over Michael Moron's innaccurate movie.

These people who supposedly offended you by calling you names obviouly had no balls. At least they didn't kick the s**t out of you. The ones that threw garbage at you were equally distasteful. But why are you whining about two incidents? Do you base your whole philosophy on two things that happened to you? THAT, my red-skinned friend, shows YOUR IGNORANCE. Why didn't you have some balls and kick the s**t out of them? Are you a pacifist liberal? Get off the firewater TONTO, and listen to the voices of reason.

I think that you need to go back to the beginning of this post and start reading again. You've missed some valuable points made in this post. Don't stop until you get to the bottom. Read all of it, not just bits and pieces.

As I've stated before, ALL POLITICIANS ARE FULL OF s**t, but only one running for president is willing to keep this country safe from islamic fundamentalist terrorists and the CHI-COMS. All politicians are rich elitists, too. They create partisan politics, so that uneducated people, like this fool from Minneapolis, won't pay attention to the real issues.

Darren, you're a whiner. People like you think that the world owes them something for some reason. The world owes you nothing but a swift kick in your red a*s. Not one time did I hear you refer to yourself as an American. Well, do ya consider yourself an American, or are you one of these leeches who use a hyphenated name to describe their origins?

By the way, you're the last person on this post, Darren, who should be talking about PROPER GRAMMAR. Just go back and read your post again. You'll see what I'm talking about.

Rather than curse YOUR OFF-SPRING, I will say a little prayer that people like you and Michael Moron will be the first to go during the NEXT ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST TERRORIST ATTACK!

Darren, you do all Native Americans a disservice. Put down the firewater, stop whining and go out and teach your heritage. You're the one who said, "...I want to do my part in educating and promoting our heritage." Well, is your heritage one of whining? Is your heritage one which teaches a double standard? Is your heritage, one of ignorance? Your heritage is d**n sure not one that involves hip hop music(that still just cracks me up! Native American Hip Hop HA! HA!)I bet that you've never been to any of your tribal council meetings. I bet that you don't do jackshit when it comes to your Native American heritage. I bet that you do however, cash every check that you receive from OUR government for being the leech that you are.

You're either an AMERICAN or not. Now, sic'em Pamela!

LEARN TO READ FOLKS: THIS IS A POST ABOUT MICHAEL MORON'S MOVIE. Each and everytime that you liberals take us from the subject, we get away from what this post is all about. We can't just let you folks get by with all these UN-American rantings. Get with the program or move to CUBA!

HIGH h*o SILVER AWAY!!!!

To Sherri, Aaron and Pamdick,

Well, I must admit, I was astounded myself to see these ugly, nasty rants!

Every native person has probably been the victim of discrimination by these "rednecks". Call it ignorance, but maybe I am a little defensive when it comes to being mistreated and wish to share my experience. Any Native person can understand what I refer to...

And yes I do represent my people, very proudly and honestly. That is a true testament to courage, having the guts to stand up for what I believe in and create an awareness of not only native hip-hop music, but for our native people as well...

Should I stand by and take such treatment from these rednecks? No, and I will not be afraid to let viewers know what I experienced...Because it happens ALL the time to virtually every native person, or HAS happened in their past at some point.

I do not wish to contribute to ignorance or hate...I wish to contribute to truth, and reality. I am human, and I do have feelings...Just as anyone else...I voice my opinions so others can see that this type of thing does still exist, and rednecks do come in many shapes...It's not a perfect world I know, but my native brothers and sisters should be able to share this type of thing so we can show how ignorant these people are and much more, uninformed of us as a people...

Without knowledge one shouldn't speak or mistreat another person because of their choices, class and skin color...That is still a dream for us as native people, because skin color does matter to some people still...and that determines how they treat that person...

I am not saying that these "rednecks" are everywhere, trotting around on horses burning crosses and wearing white hoods, I am saying that ignorance is alive and well, because people like Aaron, Sherri and Pam are uneducated and misinformed of the native peoples. I represent my people to the fullest when I go out because I want to do my part in educating and promoting our heritage. And rednecks are not all "white" people either. I know of native people who are so lost as to who they are, they treat their own kind as the stereotypical good-for-nothing indians or place themselves on a higher pedestal than everyone else. Some of my best friends are white! (Just so I am not taken out of context...)

A redneck is obviously a racist or a prejudiced person. You mean to tell me that they don't exist? How about the time my friend (who is also native and has long hair) and I were walking down the streets of Grande Prairie and a truckload of "white boys" drove by shouting "F***ing indians!"...Or the time I was driving in my car and a truckload of "white kids" pulled up to me at a set of lights and when I turned off on green they threw garbage at my car?

Trust me they do exist...And trust me, when you are the victim you get angry and you tell people what happened...You share your experience because you are hurt, and you want someone to tell you that these things happen but you have to keep your head up and ignore the ignorant...

There are a lot of people out there who do the same thing as I do (promoting cultural awareness), and people I look up to and admire for being a positive force, like these yankee females who are rebelling for their female kind. I am proud to say that these people are my inspirations, and some are even my friends.

There are natives who are champions of native issues through their music and outreach work. They are an excellent example of those who are not afraid to bring awareness to native issues. People like them have influenced me to open my mouth and speak those words which help to heal our native communities. People like them have shown me to open my mind, and my heart.

I do hope "morons" like Aaron, Pamela and Sherru close this issue, or to further debate. Which is also helpful to us as aboriginal people. If we have the courage to speak and share with each other then we can heal our nation more effectively. If we can ALL come together and unite as a society, that WOULD be a perfect world...and so I continue to do MY part...

Pemala: I think you're PARANOID.

Sherri: I think YOU'RE the lowlife. And, please, learn proper grammar when ranting.

Aaron: You're just plain psycho! Get off your fat a*s in front of the computer and get a life. You have no real friends.

People like you will never make anything of themselves. You guys are doomed for life... I pity you white trash. You're children, grandchildren or great grandchildren will come out deformed. Either way, you're foolishness ill bring you bad luck for the rest of your lives.

Better yet STOP SCREWING IT!! You are the MAJOR MORON to advocate women to be golddigging WHORES! Anyone bragging to death on a MICHEAL MOORE BOARD about how much they can use men up for money makes them a GOLDDIGGING, s**t, w***e MORON and you are the IDIOT for not telling your tramps to take it to another board!

DO you have PMS (PEON, MasculineLESS Syndrome) because you don't have ONE ounce of sense in your head to think people are supposed to tolerate rate w***e BRAGGING about their JEZEBELLIAN WHOREISM! You are Probaly PSYCHO Gabriella in disgusie AGAIN and are you her PIMP mad because she was too hurt up to make money for you? You are an GUTTER IDIOT!!!

Take you are your kindergarden questions back to your special ED class where it belongs!!! Aaron you are a GENTLEMAN keep up the GOOD WORK on this board! And Debbie YES I DO profess GOD on this board, if you don't like it TOUGH! If you can profess being a golddiggin' s**t! Then I can profess in GOD!

This is AMERICA, LAND of RELIGIOUS FREEDOM and that includes the CHRISTIAN FAITH! Don't think you can dominate this board with your worthless, lezzie, liberal, LUNACY

Debbie,

I used to feel like you. All that I saw at church was a bunch of hipocrites who on Sunday were at their best and so were their children. But as soon as they left church if the kids were good thay were rewarded and the whole family went back to back stabbing, lying and cheating, and being selfish and condescending to those in need. just not really being a christian.

Lots of the new Evangelical Churches are different. I even went to a baptist church while on vacation in Arizona that is changing its ways. It is because of the Pastor. They have a program that feeds the needy and gives them clothes and blankets. It is up to the Pastors to make the difference in the Church and it is up to us to demand they preach the truth not what the others want to hear.

We the congregation need to demand that the Pastor Preeches the truth and not just beat around the bush afraid to upset his parishoners. He also needs to confront them on their behavior. The Bible is GODS word and his instruction on how to live a long happy and fullfilled life. It was his intentions that the followers of Christ be blessed so that they could bless others. This Country was blessed because The people who came here prayed for a place to be able to be free to practice their religion with out anyone dictating to them where to, how to, and when to. I just read an article which put a new spin on the Indians as well. They would look up to the sky at night and say " Great Spirit we know you are there and we want to know who you are". That is why God brought the settlers here they wanted a place of freedom and the Indians wanted to know God. We just didn't behave like christians and took what we wanted with out asking or paying a fair price for it.

The problems today are not going to be able to be solved by one man. It doesn't matter who we vote for as long as we pray that GOD will intervene and end this madness that we call terrorism. We also need to pray for peace and prosperity for the entire world not just our own Country. As long as this Country continues to believe in God and support Israel we will be blessed. But, if we turn our backs on his people he just may turn his back on us. After all everything belongs to GOD! And We can do nothing with out him.

My problem with the way things have been going is that we let others with different beliefs come and live in this land of freedom and now they want to change the way our forefathers set up our entire country. The only reason there was ever any mention of church and state was to make sure that the Government could not make people go to the same church with the same doctrine and to practice one religion. That is why they left england they were being made to go to the KINGS church and had to do as the KING made them. The King even outlawed the printing of the Bible and the only ones allowed to have a Bible were the Church leaders. The primer that was used to teach the children in colonial days was the Bible. They were taught to read the Ten Commandments which taught them Morals and Values. It would be something if today we were even able to see a copy of the Ten Commandments inside of a school house. A neighboring community here just asked a music teacher to remove the religious items from his office one of the items was the Ten Commandments. He refused and put in his resignation. I would much rather see the Ten Commandments,Psalms, and Prayers in a teachers office than a picture of Hitler or some other freak with their beliefs posted. I am sure other parents would feel the same way except for those who believe there is no God. I am sure they would agree that it is better than some crazy persons ideas who thinks that he is a God.

The only thing wrong with the Republican party is that they want to get rid of the middle class. They want to be the ones who run the country with the rest of us working for them. They have been for big business for years look what they just did when they changed the limit for salaried people not to get paid for overtime. Our Nurses and other health care employees will now not only be over worked they are going to be under paid and not really care about whether or not someone is there when their shift is over. Why should they stay after they have put in their 40 hours or 8 depending on how they are scheduled. I would much rather have someone caring for me who is not overworked and angry because they are now working for free. Sure it helped out alot of people who were not getting the overtime pay but it is hurting others who were getting paid and now will not be. Look how they let the Big businesses send their work overseas we are now in a bad way again. Where are the jobs that were promised and I don't mean the ones that pay minimum wage or a little better.

Here in the midwest you can live on 25 grand a year granted you don't live very well but, all of your needs are met and you have money in a savings and can take a small vacation every year. That is if you only have a family of three. We sure won't be able to anymore thanks to the high gas and fuel oil prices along with all the companies that sent their jobs over seas and to Mexico. Many places here are closing their doors because they cannot afford the fuel to ship their products and cannot expect to pass on the higher prices to the consumer because they were affected by the fuel prices as well. The cost of living is going up 95% faster than the raises are. Look at all the bankruptcies in the last few years. Ever since Bush went into office it has been going down hill for the middle class. They are the largest group of people and they pay almost all of the taxes. The poor don't pay taxes they get it back in the end. The middle class pays the highest percentage of their income. So what if the rich have to pay a little more of their money at least they have it to pay. There should also be an income limit for those who get to recieve the Social Security benefits when they retire. Those in public office should not get it at all. They are the ones who spent it all over the years.

Now for Michael Moores Movie: 1 what makes a movie a documentary? 2 Was what he filmed true? 3 should we really care?

for number 1 a documentary is a film about an event, place or person, hmmmm It seems to fit.

2 Well from what I have heard yes he used news reports that were true reports. For the rest of it I don't know I didn't see it.

3 I don't really care it isn't going to sway me one way or another. I just want to know which one is going to protect my country if it is needed. I want to know which one is going to make sure that the laws in this country are followed by the the Judges who seem to have decided to make new laws and not follow the constitution. I also want to make sure that he is listening to the people who are really the ones who decide what laws we want enacted. This is supposed to be of the people and by the people and for the people. Not one man who decides for all or one court who decides for all.

As for all the name calling Please people we can do better. We all have a right to our opinion we don't all have to agree. Its too bad that we couldn't have come up with two better candidates for President than we did. But we didn't so lets just find out which is the lessor of the two evils and pick one. And, this is supposed to be about a rip off and I think we can say that yes we are getting ripped off by the govt but how can we change it??

is offended by Christians that stand up for themselves! You are the type that think Christians are supposed to remain slapped around and not defend themselves or their faith. So I have some questions for a moronic low-life like you:

1. Do you actually take your pants off when you urinate?

2. Being Breast fed by mommy ends before one years only and NOT 30 True or False?

3. If you have 2 inches that means you have to get come growth pills? True or False?

4. Drooling is not classy. True or False?

5. When you are so overweight it causes you to have breathing problems, that means seek a doctor and fitness GURU!

6. When your goldigging stable are not doing their jobs on the street corners, but busy defending their slutty lifestyle on a MICHAEL MOORE BOARD, it's time to set them straight!

7. Acne at 30 does not mean puberty arrived late!

Take your Hollywood and Vine/Bourbon street junk back to the PROSTITUTES category! This is a Michael Moore board! If you can't read, get mommy (or your nurse) to help you!

Pam, Sherri and Aaron are total idiots. All they know in their vocabulary is "w***e" and "s**t" because those are the kind of women they were born from, raised by, and surrounded by.

Are you 3 idiots sitting there in your frat houses or dorm rooms, drinking beer and making up rants right before midnight? GROW UP AND GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT! You're probably all the same psycho.

Morons: you're obviously in the mold of the idiot you call commander in chief. Did you ever take the time to consider that Bush is an elitist? That most of his chief supporters are elitist billionaires?

Do you idiots think before you RANT? No, clearly you didn't. That would require thinking before you shoot off your mouths and scribble some unfounded nonsense.

You call these women fat bitches (I doubt it, compared to southerners), but then that would make you guys nothing but POOR low-life s***k lovers.

Also, why would these yankee women be golddiggers if they're already millionaires makin their own money?? Think, McFly! Think!

'Me and my pals Roy, Junior, and Bubba (that's them above) have a lot of fun hanging out at the Happy Crawfish trailer park at night and listenin to the bug-zapper fry them little buggers while drinkin a cold one and telling some stories.'


25 Question Test for Aaron, Pamela and Sherri

1. A menstrual cycle has three wheels. True or False
2. Asphalt describes rectal problems. True or False
3. Spread Eagle is an extinct bird. True or False
4. Vagina is a medical term used to describe a Heart Attack. True or False
5. The clitoris is a type of flower. True or False
6. A G-string is part of a fiddle. True or False
7. Semen is a term for sailors. True or False
8. Anus is a Latin term for yearly. True or False
9. Testicles are found on an Octopus. True or False
10. A pubic hair is a wild rabbit. True or False
11. KOTEX is a radio station in Cincinnati. True or False
12. m********e is used to catch large fish. True or False
13. Coitus is a musical instrument. True or False
14. Fetus is a character on Gunsmoke. True or False
15. An umbilical cord is part of a parachute. True or False
16. A condom is a large apartment complex. True or False
17. An orgasm is a person who accompanies a church choir. True or False
18. A diaphragm is a drawing in geometry. True or False
19. A d***o is a variety of sweet pickle. True or False
20. An erection is when Japanese people vote. True or False
21. A l*****n is a person from the Middle East. True or False
22. Sodomy is a special land of fast growing grass. True or False
23. Pornography is the business of making records. True or False
24. Genitals are people of non-Jewish origin. True or False
25. d****e is the French word for "twelve." True or False

Hey everybody, Bill just told us that blind people can't see, and deaf people can't hear. That's great. Did you get that off of an old episode of KUNG-FU or what? Listen young grasshopper, Michael Moron is a liar. I'm glad people see his so-called documentary, then we can see who is sharp and who is not.

Hey Debbie.... I don't subscribe to church doctrine either. I CHOOSE to worship in my own way. The fact that you think that CHURCHES dictate Christianity, just goes to show your ignorance and co-dependence on the establishment. You need to learn to think for yourself and quit depending on MEN of the establishment! The King James version of the bible is incomplete. What was left out is just as important as what was included. Take it for what it is. You need to research your faith.

I actually went back and read Kathleen's (New Yorker)rebuttal. I fealt that I should at least read all of her posting. After reading it, I have but one thing to say: You're crazier than a s**t-house rat! Sorry EDitor, but I just couldn't help myself.

In the future Kathleen, if you'll break up your paragraph blocks a little more, then your post will be easier to read. We're looking at a computer screen not holding the NY Times. Thanks!

I did however like your UN-American speech. You should explain this to Michael Moron and Ted Kennedy.

All she said was that God supplies her needs and she doesn't need to be some slutty golddigger! Now you don't have a problem with posts promoting women their hussie golddigging posts. But when someone mentions the word "God" here you come with the "hypocrite" rambles.

Wanting women's rights but advocate women to be golddigging sluts; doesn't that make you a hypocrite? I would think so! Thank GOD for God. Cause without him, there would be more psycho golddigging lunatics taking this board off the subject! If whores can mention their golddigging hobbies, then God can be mentioned. Get over it, there's nothing you can do!

As I sit here in my cozy little office reading the post on this subject it gives me pause to reflect on just how spiteful some people can be. Have I seen MM's movie? Nope and I don't intend too. In the first place, I have seen several excerpts of the movie and most of what I have seen leads me to believe it is little more then a work of total fiction. Hence the problem.

If it is indeed fiction then it should not be billed as a documentry. If it is a documentry then he sould be able to quote sources etc to prove his points. Any good jounalist would do that simply to protect his/her own reputation. If it is simply someone's personal opinion then again it should not be billed as a documentry.

And now to all those who chose to flame others rather then admit to their own ignorance:

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

There are none so deaf as those who will not hear.

Pamela..........Thank you! Thank YOU! THANK YOU! You KICK-a*s!

One of these days, we'll take ATLANTA back. I promise!

In the honorable words of Nathan Bedford Forrest:
YOU GIVE 'EM HELL!

Kathleen.... I read the first few sentences of your rebuttal and stopped. I can't really comment on you rebuttal because I refuse to read it all after you explained what your background was.

Yeah, we did get off the subject somewhat and for that I apologize. I'm going to try at this point to be a little more diplomatic with my ranting. Not for losers such as yourself, but for the EDitor of this site.

Hey Pamela, YOU SAID IT! YOU NEED TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH! Thanks for showing your hypocrisy! You need some Ralph Stanley in your musical library. Hell, maybe HE should run for President. He is a CONSERVATIVE ARTIST with REAL VALUES that are honest. He actually had to work for a living and doesn't pay $30,000 a month in rent. I doubt he's ever had a manicure either!

Oh yeah and Debbie... You don't even understand OUR country's most SACRED doctrine. You've never read it have you? It doesn't even speak of this separation. By the way, separation of CHURCH and STATE means just that. You're getting the words CHURCH and GOD mixed-up. GOD is part of this country's doctrine. You need to accept this country's history or move to France or some other fruitcake liberal country. Maybe Canada?

I'm actually kind of tired of this subject. I can prove all of my points through life's experiences. There's GOOD people all over this land. There's also plenty of BAD and most are in CA, NY, and FL. I've been to these places and I've seen these people at their best. As long as people like most NEW YORKERS let folks like MICHAEL MOORE do their thinking for them, this debate will continue.

GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU! YOU NEED IT! I PRAY THAT YOU WILL SEE THE TRUTH: ALL POLITICIANS ARE FULL OF s**t! This includes both Kerry and BUSH: rich men who think that they are leaders. They are both dishonest rich men. Either man is going to cost this country a lot of money. Only one is willing to keep us safe. Figure that out for yourselves! It all boils down to the lesser of two evils.

This will be my last post on this subject for a while. I'm going fishing. I'llcheck back in a week or two to find out how many more LIBERAL NORTHEASTERNERS have bought into the dishonest michael moron movie. Adios Muchahchos! Maybe I should have said that in french! Ya think?

There is no mention of a separation of Church and State in the Constitution. It was mentioned in a letter that was written. I can't remember who wrote it right now but I will look it up and get back to you.

...and for the life of me see where this is the symposium for political debate. It's a "Beware of Scams" informational site. That's how I got here to stumble across this incredible vitriole.

But I wish to, as a Yankee Northeasterner, dog AND cat lover, bleeding-heart-liberal mother of 2, grandmother of 5 and arrogance-hater in ALL it's forms, contribute these 2 American cents (I promise, it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with my sex-life nor a disposition on sexual morals):

It seems to me some the contributors of comments and aspersions cast here still do not have the bigger picture: the one that tells us that truly history does repeat itself...and repeat itself...and repeat itself, sometimes in very unattractive ways. We have people old enough to know better by their experiences but refuse to help the young acquire the power to change what's not working and make it better. Instead, they resort to name-calling of those with differing opinions (an American ideal, if there ever was one) and foster ill-conceived notions that everything they ever read in their history books is correct and true...and, by all means, we Americans did the right thing...ALWAYS. I mean, they HAVE to JUSTIFY their arrogance, don't they? These are the ideals they promote and pass to some who are only to eager to listen and absorb, rightly or wrongly. The guy who called them 'fascist' nailed it. Why? Well, history books (which are ONLY written by the "WINNERS" of such revolutions) are are absolutely "right", right? I mean, just ask the Caribbean Indians about how much fun Chris Columbus was while he and his men were destroying the lives and families of those who welcomed him. He was just chock full of 'democracy' and we laud him, never teaching the part about him wiping out an entire race of people in his quest for spices. Ask the descendants of Powhattan, if you can find them. The list of our missteps is endless. That is not to undermine those with good intentions but remember: WE did NOT invent the wheel.

Are there any 60- or 70-year olds out there that remember watching TV westerns where "bad Indians" were raiding some military fortress and Oh, how mad we were at those awful "savages"? How we cheered when the "good guys" shot them off their horses. But we also sat right there and watched these same "savages" overrun by the Spanish, French and British, destroying their villages and whole societies 50 years prior but what, that was OK?. Did we never put this together? Excuse me? I think we were raiding and insinuating ourselves into someone ELSE'S homeland? And now we call it 'home'. Why, we had a taste of that ourselves, didn't we? And I see that not one of us likes the idea of 9/11. The real 9/11. But no one seems to be concerned about the reasons why the idea of 9/11 came to pass, was so horrifically executed and more than that, WHAT are we going to DO about it?. There is a DIFFERENCE between honest outrage and prideful arrogance. Enter: Dubya Draftdodger and his nemesis Michael Moore as despicable as he MAY be (I don't KNOW either one, do you?)

As I see it, "Americanism" is an Ideal, a culture, a way of life and, by the way, has nothing at all to do with religion...ANYONE'S religion except the freedom to practice, a by-product of the overall ideal. So why should countries or states with their own way of doing things be dominated by the neighborhood bully? Adams and Franklin had a great and bold idea and tried to set forth a wish list of altruistic things to strive for, for the COMMON good of the people NOT run around the world and try to foist these STILL unfinished conclusions upon others when we don't even have it right, here at home. Case in point: the preceding discussion that shows exactly how divided we really are and unmindful of our TRUE past which, whether we are truthful OR NOT, IS STILL OUR PAST. We have committed as many evils as the next guy but OUR history books are NOT going to teach THOSE things to our children. Spewing the moniker "UNPATIOTIC" at those who do not agree with you does NOT make it so just because YOU, who is an old fart who's age you think brings you validity and should know better, said so.

People of age AND education have a DUTY to stop this, Mr. Dale City. We have a duty to not only see, appreciate and try to impart ALL ASPECTS of what have been our experiences and our insight so that others might benefit from what we know and think but, HOPEFULLY what we DON'T YET know and think. Old farts like you and I come down on only 2 sides of this spectrum and there are many more sides not vented here. The truth is: we DON'T have all the answers. Whether liberal or conservative, EVERYONE has something VALID to give. The guy YOU think of as 'UNAmerican' might be the same guy saving your worthless behind someday. Always gotta beware of burning those bridges. Calling an American UNAMERICAN is about as UNAMERICAN as UnAmerican can be. And YOU have absolutely NO right to call a man who is still young enough to fight and die for a rich man's selfish interest in oil, "UNAmerican". YOU fought in some war? Good for you. Bush didn't, so it's said. Now sit down and shut up while America's first APPOINTED (I AM sure of THAT) president in our history proceeds to make sure he and his friends die rich while MY sons get to die to help them all line their pockets. Who REALLY BELIEVES our administration gives one, tiny rat's behind if Iraqis live in tin-roofed huts and women run around clothed head to toe in 110 degree heat? If you or anybody thinks this war is about ANYTHING but OIL and MONEY, well, what can I say? Ignorance is everywhere. I notice we refuse to negotiate with and are pulling OUT of Korea who really DOES have the bomb. How comforting. Yep, we've got real winners in this White House.

But this is only MY opinion. An honest DISCUSSION ensues.

To the people who contributed in thoughtful response, I appreciate this discussion and have enjoyed reading [some] of it. I simply ask you all to be more open-minded where you can so that we might ALL benefit by your solutions. Try to understand the "other guy's" point of view in an UNarrogant way, respond and compromise. That's how peace is made. The best thing to do with guys like Dale City is to ignore them. They'll die soon...gazing up at their arrogant patriarchs. The BEST part of them ran down their father's leg.

Sincerely, a Reagan voter

Now back to our regular programming: scams.

...Now I remember why I quit going to church. You are the opitome of "hypocrit". When I read anything that you, or Aaron for the matter, have written recently, I think of two things.
One being, "he who is without sin cast the first stone" AND...
A song written and performed by Reba Rambo. Maybe ya'll should check it out.

"All around you see God's plastic people, all dressed up playing church"
"they hide behind their robes and stained glass windows"
"They don't and they haven't seen...
reality"

This was supposed to be a discussion about Micheal Moore and his movie. Due to the fact that the movie is politically based well I understand how it turned into a political debate. There is a reason why there is a separation of church and state. It is attempt to keep heretics and zealots out of our everyday life. Right now there are two posting here and I don't remember Micheal Moore making a religious documentory.

Is that you the best that you can do ya silly freak. DETROIT: The largest s**t-hole of them all. Are all the people in Detroit as stupid as you? Way to be creative. I bet Detroit has a real good education system...........NOT!!! Was creative writing just too much for ya? Why can't ya'll up there build better cars? Jesus, you make all Americans look bad with such shitty quality manufacturing. Again that all goes back to your educational system up there in NEW Islam, Michigan. What an ignorant fool you are? Was your mama retarded or just you?

I would have bet that anybody like yourself would vote for Kerry, you see the democratic party supports homosexuality so you're definitely in with the right crowd. Not that the Republicans don't, but then again I'm an independent voting for who I think is the best person. This post is about Michael Moore's inaccurate documentary. You're a fruitcake just like you husband. Can't you read? Is the short bus, you're traveling in, on a bumpy road or what?

I would take Pamela over any of your rag-head libby gold-diggin' bitches anyday. The shortbus is calling your name. You'd better ask your husband if it's o.k. though before you go to some resource program fo morons......

Michael Moore is a sensationalist liar..............DISCUSS..............

Aaron, I can see that guys like you who have a problem with women like some crazy psycho is probably gay. Now, I have nothing against gays, but you sure prove to be one bull-headed gay.
I would call you the other word, but I know the mods would just delete it. Why don't you shut your pie-hole PSYCHO?

Because of you.... I'M VOTING FOR KERRY. Thanks.

By the way, she may have called you a pisswipe, but I think you're A DICKWIPE. Same goes for ugly Pamela... the butch l*****n I predict you will marry if you two met.

AHHHHH!!!! Is poor Gabriella feelings hurt? And WHO are you calling "hypocritical" and "self-righteous"? YOU are thge one that way since you have been PSYCHO babbling about chasing wallets! NO I don't have too! And Douglass, for you to be so offended over independent women does you a FRUITCAKE! You are JEALOUS you can't be a woman so you resort at hoping women are golddigging, trashy losers like poor Gabriella just to make you feel better about not being born a woman!

OR you are just a monster looking maniac that's mad no woman in their RIGHT mind would even take a glance and your pittly change it not even good enough! OR you feel threatened because there are independent women in this world that don't have to w***e around being wallet chasing BIMBOS! More independent women are growing in the US and you can't STAND to take orders from them! HA! HA!

OR I think you are ELIZABETH pretending to be a MAN which makes you a poor, wallet chasing loser! Be WOMAN enough to talk to me YOURSELF! Don't be to chicken crap to hide behind identities! LMAO!!!! "No rich man would want me" WHO CARES!!! I have GOD to give me the riches and that's all I need! I don't need to be some wallet chasing trash like Gabriella! "fat"? Sorry! NOPE!

Even if I was, I would be a FAT RICH WOMAN that don't need worthless waste of manhood like you to depend to get money! And Gabriella, WHO are you kidding?? You ain't got NO MONEY!!! IF you did, you wouldn't go on this rageful crusade speaking out on w***e RIGHTS!!! OHHHH I see, you are the onr who screwed the English actor! The LA prostitute! Got $2 mil and it slipped right through your fingers right??????? Now you are BROKE and on the STREETS!!! LMAO!!!!

Well it doesn't matter, just go to "Swank SKANKS" Strip club where you belong, may "Douglas" will tip you $2 bucks for a table dance!! Until then, you ain't fooling NOBODY with your w***e CASH COW FANTASIES LITTLE GIRL!!!!

To Lorenzo, WHAT WOULD YOU KNOW ABOUT being educated?? Being that your name is "Lorenzo" leaves me surprised that you even heard of the word!

THANKS AARON AND SHERRY! I like the way you put it Aaron when you said "Jezebellian, Whores!" FUNNY and SOOOO TRUE!!! Minds like that have to come from strippers and women with the "Girls Gone Wild" mentality! To Donald I like cats, but I LOVE dogs! Big, short haired dogs! FOUR legged! NOT TWO legged! I agree with Sherry, this is a Michael Moore topic, not Hussy h*o' hounds on the prowl!" Maybe it was deliberate to take the subject off of Bush and Michael Moore!

Sherry said that you had little ding ding! HAAA! HA! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

I just about threw up on myself I've been laughing so hard! That's great! Thanks for the laugh Sherry. I guess FL ain't all that bad. At least you folks have a sense of humor.

Thanks for reminding these fools what this post is about. I appreciate it.

The last people in the world who should be talking about proper English is some s**t-head from NJ. Good call jerky! Are we supposed to talk you? Practice what you preach.

Hey Douglas, Pamela doesn't need to experience all that materialistic s**t that you spoke of to have ambition. Your statement shows just what just what a fool you are. $700,000? What are you dumbasses paying for land out there in freakland?
Or should we just start refering to CA as Mexico? You sound like a man who owns cats yourself, by the way. There's nothing quite as masculine as a man and his cats. Leave Pamela alone, she's a lady. Well.........I guess you could be considered that too, fruitcake!

Hey Pamela....You need to relax. I was taking your side and after reading your last post, I would just like to say: YOU ROCK! Thanks for the proper insight into what being a LADY is about. The whole cooking thing was just an example; An example to piss-off hollow bitches like GABRISMELLA PSYCHO-DELLA.

The fact that any of you choose a mate based on income is sad. Simply sad and hollow. I look at the inside and always have, not the materialistic outside. I can't explain GOOD WHOLESOME SENSE to you folks. Each and every time you bring that up, you show how dirty your soul is.

New Yorkers are evidentally the poorest educated folks on this planet. New Jersey is obviously right behind them. I can't believe some of the s**t that you folks come up with. I guess all that concrete has fried most of your brains.

I've finally figured it out. Gabrielle is a stripper. Why else would so many men be asking to marry her? Do you work at SCORES? Have you been on STERN, yet? How 'bout GIRLS GONE WILD?The only reason that you're getting so many propositions is because the lights are so dim. I bet Douglas is sitting around loving on his cats, watching a GIRLS GONE WILD video as we speak!

Hey s****.> Thanks again Pamela for your insight. I especially appreciate the fact that you too let these fruit-cakes and their liberal agenda know that they are unwanted in the South. Once again, we're not moving up their in droves, they're moving here. STAY IN THE BIG ROTTEN APPLE.... You're ruining the place DOWN here!

Oh yeah.... Hey mister NJ.... Our short temper is do to our strong Scotch-Irish blood. You need to take a Sociology class or two in order to know what the hell it is you're talking about. People just can't stand themselves UP there, can they? They've got to come up with s**t off the tops of their tiny little brains.

Hey Michelle.... What makes you say that Michael Moore is telling the truth? Have you researched this film? Have you even seen it? If you don't want so much government control on things, then the last people that you need to support are socialists like Kerry and Michael Moore. Socialist always have a larger government. Just ask dumbasses like Douglas who live in CA. There's a state just full of social programs that do nothing and the rest of us have to pay for it.

I just ran some numbers on the education web-site that the US government provides. In the state of NY, 62% of blacks dropped out of high school this year. That's some educational system you folks have up there. Good statement LORENZO. Who's showing they're lack of intelligence, now? Oh yeah... Proper English would be "of intelligence" not "in intelligence." Get a life you UNEDUCATED FOOL! What a dumbass! I don't understand the part about not supporting BUSH because we made some grammatical errors. You're a rambler with know real direction to your statements. You might also need to brush-up on your compostion skills before you write another post jerky!

"I don't want to get-off on a rant here......" I guess I have already, so sorry. We need to get back to what this post is about. Maybe we could if it weren't for all the UNEDUCATED MATERIALISTIC JEZEBELLIAN w***e comments being made by people that I wouldn't give a squirt of piss for. Stick that in your crack-pipe and smoke it YANKEE DUMBASSES!

ONCE MORE.... Michael Moore is a sensationalist and a liar. All that you need to do is SEE his movie. That's right! I want people to see his movie. That way they can figure it out for themselves. Most of the statements made in the movie are TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. In order to come to that conclusion, you will have research the claims made therein. I guess that means that most UNEDUCATED LIBERAL NORTHEASTERNERS will never figure it out. They're in denial and always will be. They have no idea of what CLASS really is, and that affects their reasoning skills when it comes to truth. Trust me: Our founding fathers are turning over in their graves due to the NORTHEASTERN socialist agenda being spued all over this country. Maybe we should succeed the UNION again and fence-off S. Florida. Maybe then we could have a working REPUBLIC of the people, like the tyrant ABE Lincoln once spoke of and like our founding fathers designed.

NJ sucks! It is a bigger cess-pool than NY! Full of turds also!

I don't know why it scares people like you to have others watch Michael Moore's film. I don't see you protesting outside movie theaters showing other films. I

Is it because it scares you to see the TRUTH?

Anyway it's people like you that make our government so controlling, trying to make theaters drop a film because a group of you people don't want other to see.

If it bothers you so bad go home and pick on the neighbors dog or better yet go become a cop or rent-a-cop.

None of these golddigging posts pertains to Farenheit 9/11. So takes these perverted posts elsewhere! In fact, why don't you Gabriella go to the Prostitutes section int's the ROR seach engine you know and take Donald with you. Maybe having to pay women to sleep with you so they can keep quiet about your little man downstairs is a ripoff! This is about the 9/11 movie not hussie heros!

"Don't hate me. Hate the men who fall for me."

Gabriella - Long Island, New York


No Sweetie, what we hate is the what we could catch from the kind of men that fall for you.

You know what, I apologize Pamela, for having everything served on a silver platter to me by men all the time. I'm sorry that although I was not born with a silver spoon, men who have been born with silver spoons fall in love with me without ever asking me how much I earn. See, I don't have to tell them how much I earn. They can tell how sophisticated I am and would do anything for me.

I've had men asking me to marry them every month. I don't even try. I just sit there and let them know how intelligent I am. From that, they perceive me to be someone with her own money and they would like to marry someone with a heart and a brain. And although I have never had plastic surgery in my entire life and was born lucky enough to have men asking me to marry them my whole life, I am so sorry that bitter, jealous, self-righteous, hypocritical women like you are upset about that.

It's funny how men can go out with and have sex with as many women as they want, but if a woman wants to go for a man for his money, she has to wear the scarlett letter because of narrow-minded people like you.

Don't hate me. Hate the men who fall for me.

Rich men wouldn't go for trash like Pamela anyway.

I think Pamela's the FAT one sitting in front of her comp all day and crying because no rich man would go for someone as ugly and undignified as her. SHE'S JUST BITTER AND JEALOUS.

I make money and I would never go for a dumb loser like you anyway. I want a woman who's smart and wouldn't bow down low for anyone. I WOULD RATHER GO FOR A WOMAN WHO MAKES HER OWN MONEY AND WOULD NEVER GO FOR SOME BUM OFF THE STREET.

I ONLY GO FOR THE CREAM OF THE CROP. I go for the angels who can fly, not pitiful trash like you.

Girls like Pamela will never experience $50 million dollar properties, expensive restaurants, hard to get into clubs and rub elbows with celebrities, top businessmen and doctors around the world. THEY HAVE NO REAL AMBITION.

Pamela's going to grow old with her cats and spend the rest of her life feeding the pigeons in her backyard... if she'll ever be able to afford one on her own. She seems like the type of person to enjoy that.

I know women who bought their first houses, by themselves, not long after college, off of their own earnings and refuse to go for men who make less than them. They were just little girls, in my opinion and their average home is $700,000. When did you buy your first home, WITHOUT ANY HELP?

YOU'LL MAKE NOTHING OF YOURSELF.

Well, I can see that girls like Pamela don't know how to speak proper English in Atlanta. She probably didn't go past the 8th grade. What a psycho...

Atleast, New yorkers are well-educated. You poor suckers just prove how stupid Pres. Bush really is because you represent the uneducated way of speaking properly. Your short temper is representative of your lack in intelligence.

You now made me realize that I wouldn't want this country ruled by ignorant, unclassy fools like Pamela and Aaron. I am definitely voting for Kerry, now.

Thanks for helping with my decision and for helping with Kerry's campaign.

We don't claim anna nice-hole. Trust me there's a few gold-diggin' bitches down here also. There usually second or third generation Southerners. You see, they're grandparents floated in here from snow-bird land. They usually come from the larger cities down here. Anna is from Dallas. Dallas isn't quite as big of a s**t-hole as NY but they share the same co-dependency problems. Actually we think of these big city folks as heathen yankees like yourself.

We also don't claim the Dixie Chicks (aka Communist Whores). Natalie Manes has absolutely no talent. The two sisters are the true talent of the band, but they've sold their musical soul for the greenback dollar. That makes them gold-diggin' whores also. The music business is as screwed-up and divided as the politics in this country.

The only reason that the Dixie Bitches ever made it was because of Natalie Mane's Daddy: LLoyd Manes. He is a producer and studio musician. So as you can see they had to have a MAN to hand them their success. The two sisters actually fired the lead singer so Natalie could join the band. You see that way they had a better shot at a record deal even though Natalie isn't much of a singer. I get her and Kenny Chesney mixed up alot. They both like men. So as you can see, there are gold-diggers everywhere, there's just more in big cities like NY. It's because of your co-dependency up there. Enjoy your manicures.....

NOW.....BACK TO DEBATE....Michael Moore is a liar and sensationalist and his work only appeals to liberals with hidden agendas...............

Sorry PATHETIC women like Gabriella, Eleizabeth and Jaime are JOKES! They are the SPOOFS of shows like Howards Stern, Jenny Jones and Jerry Springer!!! PURE JOKES! I bet all of them are ELEIZABETH in disguise because when she posted that crap NOTHING was posted in agreement until I posted against the CRAP she said! Plus if NY was SO ALL THAT, then WHY are so many of you New Yorkers running down here to HOTLANTA! And you Gabriella say "why have a Vagabond" YOU are the VAGABOND wallent cahsing SAD BUM that needs men for cash! Why don't you use that money and HELP your man it leads to more blessings! But you would't know about that! And HOW does golddigging help women "move up"? Keep those low down tramp tales to yourself! You are a sad loser little girl that's afraid to work for yourself! Well, maybe in the world oldest profession! No I am not a housewife and I don't like to cook, I don't have kids, and I REFUSE to depend on a man for money and be a wallet chasing BUM BIMBO like you "three"!

You are STUPID! Put YOUR claws away instead of shoving them in that itty bitty brain of yours! Elizabeth is the one that said it's ok for women to be golddiggers, if she made so much money, she wouldn't have to do that!!! But YES there are women AND MEN with money that GOLDDIG!!!

You are a STUPID LITTLE GIRL That can't take the heat of REALITY! And "ghetto"??? Take your simpleton HEE-HAW a*s BACK to the TRAILER PARK or are you a THIRD WORLD LITTLE GIRL that needed to be a mail bride to get a dime! YES I DO depend on GOD to get money! HE instills the educatiiopn if REAL life and ideas in business and the working world so you don't have to depend on a man to get money! I guess the truth hurts ROTFLMAO!!!!! Feel the pain LOSER LITTLE GIRL!!!!

Getting so defensive over this issue must me your bimbo loser waste IS ELIZABETH disgusied as "Jaime"! You are a FAT LARD WASTE that has to depend on money from men instead of making it on your own! You allow men to treat you like crap so you can get another dime! Maybe that's you NY women do it since you BRAGGED about NY women being golddiggers IDIOT! Go back to your FLEA DUMP and LEARN to read! Get off of your man's computer and make more money for yourself! Golddigging HOGGLETT!

Ike Turner called you Gabrismella. Why don't you give him s**t for awhile you silly wabbit. Or better yet, give us your opinion of Michael Moore's movie. Were you not able to read the first post? Or were you too busy helping the needy to become a silly w***e like yourself? Blah, blah, Blah, BAAAAAAAAAH!

Just a thought for you libbers:

There were over 100,000 battered women last year but I still like mine plain, hold the NY.

First of all.............

Mike..... Just in case you didn't know, George Bush was born in the Northeast. Connecticut, your home state, to be exact. What a dumbass you are.

My biggest problem is that I HAVE traveled all over the world. I've been to the far east and I've been to the european block. I see people for what they truly are and you folks simply can't handle the truth. I've been to NY city and Chicago and these two cities are truly s**t-holes. I was just as miserable in manhatten as I was flying over your shitty twnBut this shitty town is part of my country. It makes me feel bad because people like me were unable to tell you folks about what good living is about.

It's not about 24 hour service, gymnasiums and other bullshit that has no place. I can't help it if you dumbasses let the water get so bad up there that you can't swim in it anymore. YOU PEOPLE are hollow and have no soul. WHY ELSE WOULD YOU STUPID BITCHES ARGUE WITH A LIGHTPOLE?

And no.......I'm not glad that abunch of fundamentalist islamic terrorists crashed planes into the world trade center. 3500 of my fellow Americans died on that day partly due to the ineptness of the Clinton administration. You should say a little prayer every night before you go to bed, that this doesn't happen again. Of course, we have no mosques here in this part of the world, but your big shitty town does. These terrorits are already there living among you. But then again, you guys are more concerned with manicures, gyms, swimming pools, getting the hair waxed off your lip and back, etc. In your race to empower yourselves, you have become CO-DEPENDENT. This used to be a country of independence where it was politically correct to be a lady who raises a family. Too much women's lib has absolutely destroyed the concept of motherhood and what the family situation should be. Just ask the whores who like arguing with a lightpost!

THE LIGHTPOST KNOWS ALL, BITCHES!

Michael Moore is a liar likes NY Gold-diggin' bitches.... DISCUSS....

Atleast I give back to the society and to the world. You want to know what money grubbing women like me do? I've given up my hard working money to the homeless on the streets and to women in India, Iraq and Afghanistan.

What do worthless failures like you do, instead of complain about getting cut from their jobs and "gold-digging whores"?

I give women an edge. I give them the advantage of getting hired more and more by companies. It's because of women like me that some of those "fat cats" give women more and more respect everyday, instead of keeping them at an administrative assistant level and verbally abusing/ sexually harassing them every day in the office. In fact, I have helped women file numerous reports regarding verbal abuse and sexual harassment both inside and outside the office. I have gotten men FIRED and women HIRED.

Gold-digging whores like me HELP WOMEN MOVE UP IN SOCIETY. A real gold-digging w***e is someone who STEALS money from rich men.

Not one woman on this board stated that she didn't have a job and was living off of their men.

Get over yourselves. You men are not that worth it! Men are not worth that much to me. You are not that important. There are better things in the world than men... and a day at the spa is more important on my list. Goes to show how much your worth it to a woman with money or any woman.

And besides, it inspires pitiful/jobless men out there to get better jobs and improve the economy instead of rant and rave under all that BITTERNESS and jealousy. Your face must be so green with envy, reading messages of "gold-digging whores". Like I said, get over us or get the sex change you secretly wish you had. Wipe your keyboard... you're dripping with envy in your rants.

NYC women have it gooood, real good, and we'll do anything to keep it that way. The only men who complain about "gold digging whores" are men who are FAILURES and are WORTH NOTHING.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AARON! By the time this ends, more and more people are going to vote for Kerry.

It's cause of people like you that make people NOT want to vote for Bush. I love it when dumb southerners say stupid things like "we hate NY" and use the word "w***e" in every other sentence.

Goes to show you where Bush came from.

I'm sure you were HAPPY about 9/11, as well, because it happened to the world trade center in NYC.

Yup, Kerry is DEFINITELY going to win!

Aaron, want some more of your "words of wisdom". BRING IT ON!

This is great... you southerners fall right into democrats' traps.

Obviously, Aaron isn't familiar with the million dollar apartments in NYC. He doesn't know what a $30,000 a month apartment provides. Not only a huge, gorgeous apartment, but 24 hour service, your own spa, gymnasium, indoor swimming pool, whatever you want.

This southern s**t hasn't lived life to the fullest. Travel the world and then maybe you'll learn something. Oh, you can't, can ya? You couldn't afford it.

Southern women are the worst gold diggers, if you ask me! At least NYC women work... I mean it's bred in them to ALWAYS work even if they marry a rich guy.

Example: ANNA NICOLE SMITH - THE BIGGEST (LITERALLY) SOUTHERN GOLDDIGGIN w***e ALIVE.

Most southern women marry/ date rich men and don't work! Atleast women in NY either own their own business, continue to work during marriage, or have worked to gaining a high enough income that they wouldn't care if they divorced their husband and didn't get anything from him.

There are women in NY and Chicago, and everywhere else, marrying/ dating rich men BELOW their income.

Aaron has proved that he either has no money or has never experienced being with a SMART, rich, intelligent, elegant woman who makes her own money and refuses to marry anyone who doesn't make money.

It's men and women like Aaron and Pamela that keep women down. How are women supposed to succeed if men only go for looks and can sleep with a hundred women and is considered a "big man on campus", but if a woman wants to marry someone who makes alot of money, she's called a "golddiggin w***e"?

It's biased. This double standard will always be the reason why women get verbally/ physically abused by their husbands or boyfriends or any man. Women are not supposed to be opinionated and DOMINATING. They have to be submissive like Pam.

No, REAL WOMEN won't bend down on their knees for men like that.

Get some facts before you write anything, most of your ramblings are just pissing people off.

Your a total idiot.

I'm done here, it's hard to argue with people who's I.Q. level is below normal. You guys just come up with things thats not even written.

Idiot. You just make things up to make it sound that you're so right. Go argue with a lightpole.

Aaron, ignorance kills. And your full of ignorance, no, in fact, you're overflowing with ignorance, there's no sense arguing with you cause your level of comprehension is just way out there.

Gabrismella Just proved my point...

Let me just say MISS.AMAZON that someday you will be old, wrinkeled, and used up(your halfway past used up now). There will come a time when the closest thing to sex for you will be an enema, or a sponge bath by a nurse!!

That's what I live for; seeing useless, shallow women like you age past their prime. You T&A magic will wear off in time. Someday you would beg for the 20 year old orderly that whipes your wrinkeled bum, to slip you the nine iron. And when that day comes, guys like me are somewhere laughing!!

You are the reason women get a bad rap. NY women are the worst of the breed. I rate ants and maggots higher on the evolutionary scale; at least they serve a useful purpose. And for the most part, the do so without hurting the living.

Take your $30,000 a month rent, along with your GUCI-hooker outfit wearing A** over to AFGANISTAN for a week, and see how long you last with your stuck up self.

Now that we've straightened-out the NY gold-diggin' w***e club manicurists, let's get back to the subject of this post.

Michael Moore is a liar and sensationalist. There. I've said it. Discuss............

Jesus..... Help me out here Robert! The whores are taking over!

What kind of hippie jibberish are you talking ABOOT?

Each and everyday, i wake up and wonder just what Canadienes think of my country. I wonder if they approve or dissapprove. I wonder if they're thinking about my well-being. I wonder if they're military could save us from attack. I wonder if their socialistic government would be better than ours. I wonder if waiting on a doctors appointment for six months would be better. I wonder if having open borders would let the criminals out. If you beleive that I feel this way then I've got some ice to sell to the eskimoes up there.

You stated that ", Canada has had absolutely NO terrorist activity whatsoever." Obviously you don't have any real news watching activity either. What kind of fantasy-land are you folks living in. You're in denial and just wanting to stand in judgement of something better than what you have.

I promise that I wont be violent. Lord knows that you pansi-assed canadiens can't handle it. Pacifism is not part of my philosophy or my country's doctrine so don't try to hand that hippie s**t off on me.

Where anywhere in this posting about Michael Moore, does anybody act violent? You're just a gerbil who's scared of his own shadow. OOOOH! I'm sorry! Wouldn't want you to get scared and s**t yourself.

One more thing.... The property that was stolen from you in Florida, was most likely stolen by some illegal rag-head who came through Canada because of your immigration policies and swiss-cheese borders. I hope that you don't come back. The reason that its not safe to travel is due to same things. If you don't have the answers then keep your mouth shut. Maybe a vacation in France would suit you folks better. The French just love tourists and are always cordial and accomodating. Do you believe that also? Then Europe is calling your name.

F*CK CANADA!

What kind of hippie jibberish are you talking ABOOT?

Each and everyday, i wake up and wonder just what Canadienes think of my country. I wonder if they approve or dissapprove. I wonder if they're thinking about my well-being. I wonder if they're military could save us from attack. I wonder if their socialistic government would be better than ours. I wonder if waiting on a doctors appointment for six months would be better. I wonder if having open borders would let the criminals out. If you beleive that I feel this way then I've got some ice to sell to the eskimoes up there.

You stated that ", Canada has had absolutely NO terrorist activity whatsoever." Obviously you don't have any real news watching activity either. What kind of fantasy-land are you folks living in. You're in denial and just wanting to stand in judgement of something better than what you have.

I promise that I wont be violent. Lord knows that you pansi-assed canadiens can't handle it. Pacifism is not part of my philosophy or my country's doctrine so don't try to hand that hippie s**t off on me.

Where anywhere in this posting about Michael Moore, does anybody act violent? You're just a gerbil who's scared of his own shadow. OOOOH! I'm sorry! Wouldn't want you to get scared and s**t yourself.

One more thing.... The property that was stolen from you in Florida, was most likely stolen by some illegal rag-head who came through Canada because of your immigration policies and swiss-cheese borders. I hope that you don't come back. The reason that its not safe to travel is due to same things. If you don't have the answers then keep your mouth shut. Maybe a vacation in France would suit you folks better. The French just love tourists and are always cordial and accomodating. Do you believe that also? Then Europe is calling your name.

F*CK CANADA!

What kind of hippie jibberish are you talking ABOOT?

Each and everyday, i wake up and wonder just what Canadienes think of my country. I wonder if they approve or dissapprove. I wonder if they're thinking about my well-being. I wonder if they're military could save us from attack. I wonder if their socialistic government would be better than ours. I wonder if waiting on a doctors appointment for six months would be better. I wonder if having open borders would let the criminals out. If you beleive that I feel this way then I've got some ice to sell to the eskimoes up there.

You stated that ", Canada has had absolutely NO terrorist activity whatsoever." Obviously you don't have any real news watching activity either. What kind of fantasy-land are you folks living in. You're in denial and just wanting to stand in judgement of something better than what you have.

I promise that I wont be violent. Lord knows that you pansi-assed canadiens can't handle it. Pacifism is not part of my philosophy or my country's doctrine so don't try to hand that hippie s**t off on me.

Where anywhere in this posting about Michael Moore, does anybody act violent? You're just a gerbil who's scared of his own shadow. OOOOH! I'm sorry! Wouldn't want you to get scared and s**t yourself.

One more thing.... The property that was stolen from you in Florida, was most likely stolen by some illegal rag-head who came through Canada because of your immigration policies and swiss-cheese borders. I hope that you don't come back. The reason that its not safe to travel is due to same things. If you don't have the answers then keep your mouth shut. Maybe a vacation in France would suit you folks better. The French just love tourists and are always cordial and accomodating. Do you believe that also? Then Europe is calling your name.

F*CK CANADA!