Schneider National Training Academy - Torie (Recruiter) & Mike Lancman (Instructor) Lieing Recruiter and Sexist Instructor Green Bay Wisconsin

I am attempting to get in this industry. I had always found information ranking Schneider as one of the top 10 trucking companies to work for. I currently have my instruction permit and medical card. I am trying to decide where to go and get actual training.



This discussion has completely confused me as to what the best answer is. Does Schneider Academy apply to drivers with out their commercial drivers license or do all drivers have to go through it? If you come in with your commercial drivers license is the treatment different? My top three choices included Schneider, but now I am not so sure. Are you better off going to a private school? Anthony, if you are out there I would appreciate hearing from you as you seem to have quite a bit of industry experience. This is a career change for me which has not come lightly and I do not want to make a mistake and end up in a miserable situation. Thoughts of companies with good training programs would also be appreciated.

As the rule applies to the industry as a whole. Three our of every drives that enter the industry leave and the only consolation we can offer to those who have been cheated,abused, discriminated against and lied to is:" you did not have the right stuff to be a truck driver." as if truck drivers have some innate characteristic toward suffering greater then the rest of the population.

This industry is fundamentally fraught with abuses and scams.  Historically and presently. There is a driver shortage due to an aging population and with the fact that many former truck drivers wish not for there son's  and daughters to enter the industry because of the abuses and the lack of fundamental human rights to dignity and fair practice.   I will admit that a Truck driver must have a mantel above and beyond the general population as a solider must have.  As many of those returning from deployment have many cognitive, physiological,social as well as marital problems so does many truck drivers. 

Schneider being the exception to the industry as whole.  I doubt that seriously.  Yes discrimination historically has always been a problem in this industry minorities as well as women.  Only recently has men and women of color been allowed in. they have only been allowed in in any great numbers  because of a failing economy.  Less be honest because of the economic conditions minorities have a higher unemployment rate and are less likely to complain about the low wages,lack of benefits, low miles,degrading working conditions, poor equipment, and abuse.

The traditional working group for this industry has been Causscian men. As they exited the industry because of the working conditions and health concerns cited above the industry turned to minorities and are now seeking minorities accross our borders to enter into the market for greater abuses and profit.

This industry had serious Human Rights, Civil Rights, and acts aganist the public good that needs to be investigated by the Attorney General of their states.  CSA 2010 was nothing more then a compromise between the trucking industry and our judicial systems restrain the historical abuses of this industry and assure the truck driver his/her basic Human Rights towards dignity but fell short of giving him/her a living wage.  Truck drivers makes less then turning burgers.  If you made 700.00 a week you work 168 hrs to get it.  

Schneider the exception:  I doubt that it is the exception.

 Start your law suit in small claims court.  Starting there is less expensive.  There is going to be an issue of jurisdiction. Most small claims filing must be filed in the state in which the business is held.  Schneider as many carries are federally regulated and has permits to operate in all states many of their drivers takes their vehicles home and park them on county, city, and municipalities.  meaning that Schneider and other carriers may be sued  in the court of your jurisdiction.

I know this argument to be true because I have successfully changed court of jurisdiction under this argument.  I recently sued a Trucking Driving School, confidentiality aggreement  prevents me from mentioning of their name.  Many of your truck driving schools, private as well as company owed, state their contract of training so ambiguously that the contract can not withstand legal review pursuant to contract law.  Many of the trucking schools whether private or company owned disguised, but they are all subject to contract law and regulated pursuant title 49 of  the Code of Federal Regulations.  Many of the schools will tell you that they are not subject to title 49 because they are listed as a school. But title 49 does not distinquish.  any one who operates a commercial motor vehicle is either a carrier for hire or a private carrier.

Be careful on waging your argument on Discrimination. Walmart has essentially muted that argument for all minorities.  EEOC is only effective and interested in cases of a high profile nature and as the walmart case illustrate htey are not very effective.

People love to act brave behind a key board posting false things about people.   Like bart did but you know what it doesn't bother me cause i know the truth.

I have been writing about student carriers for about 3 years on the internet. The tactic to "shift blame" and put the student on the defense is very common in the truck driver training industry to attack students and create doubt about themselves and their potential. These carrier often do troll these complaint boards and use this sort of adversarial style to quash complaints to make the student look like they were inept. This is exactly they way they treat students who are employed by them when they are behind closed doors and this is much of the reason the turnover in truck driver training is so high. High turnover creates more students and these unethical carriers benefit from this because of commision structures and subsidies.

It is a very common complaint to hear a guy who basically has been burned by a woman at some point in his life use a female student as his verbal punching bag , hostage therapist . These guys of course have a different game face on for their colleagues but once out of earshot they feel it's okay to tell all their lovelorn woes on the female students and sometimes they are abusive about it as if you represent the woman who did the harm to them in their personal life.

I will admit I have had very few complaints about Schneider national training program but by the same token one of the worst I ever heard did come from theit tanker division of training.

When you read as many carrier complaints as I do you see something very common in training carriers and thet is very poor management who are trained to provoke drivers delibrately. This is not uncommon in Human Resource depts either.

If you plan to sue, do not bluff, just do it. These carriers get threated every 30 seconds so your bluff is a joke to them and only makes you a target for retaliation.

If you are experiencing something that should be exposed. Document it fully with names, dates, pictures, videos, voice memos. Find a good lawyer and take the carrier on for the long haul.

Recently a $1.7M case was won by a female student at another carrier and in that case the individual was also named. This case took 7 years to get a jury trial.

Lawsuits require endurance so don't bluff or you are shooting yourself in the foot. Take action because these training carriers are full of slimeballs who should be exposed. Including those who troll these boards to defend carriers and "shift blame" to create doubt as a part of the way to intimidate detractors.

I know this is a bit old but I personally knew Mike Lancman. He was my stepdad as he was married to my mom who he got a divorce from a few years ago. First off, he didn't "lose everything". It was his choice to get a divorce. But that's not the point I am going to make.

You see, Mike is a very difficult person to please. That's his personality. You have to be that way when you train people to drive a semi across the country. I get that. But trust me, he can be verbally abusive. I have never heard him have any harassment to the point where it's ridiculous but he is not the greatest of teachers in my opinion. He yells and swears when you're trying to learn something. I personally think training drivers is not his best profession. He doesn't have the patience. I knew him for almost 15 years... I think I know what I'm talking about.

So Mypie, I understand your point and as one that has dealt with his crap, I can see where you're coming from. Personal feelings aside and trust me I have no use for the guy, you do have to be tough as an instructor, but not to the point where you're swearing and yelling like a clown. I've seen him do that. That doesn't help the learner or the teacher for that matter. It just makes matters worse and will probably take twice as long if not more to get what you want done. Just my opinion.

More crap from Mypie...

The "telephone harassment" charge

Schneider doesn't hassle people by phone over tuition costs, they sure do not call people on a daily basis to discuss any matter related to defaulting on tuition, and they sure wouldn't do it after they terminate an employee. It's not now, nor has it ever been their style to do so. They write it off as a loss.

"Promises"

1) No one at Schneider promised "no forced dispatching" to any company driver. Everyone hired is instructed that they do force dispatch drivers who drive company trucks. It is also by the way, standard industry practice to force dispatch drivers who work for a company when driving company equipment.

2) No one is forcing anyone, even the mythical people you claim to know, to drive when it is unsafe to do so. They have an extremely safe record of operating trucks on the road, and they absolutely are committed to keeping that record. Any person who pushes a driver to operate a truck when it isn't safe to do so, should be reported to Schneider's safety department immediately for mediation regarding the issue.

And lastly, while Schneider does tend to keep drivers out longer than other companies, which is a legitimate complaint that I have repeatedly criticized them for, your mythical friends are not staying out over three weeks at a time, unless one of two things are in evidence. They are either failing to communicate their home time requests as required by company policy, or they flat out want to stay out longer.

Every large company has people that sit behind desks is positions of supervision, who when pressured themselves, will take it upon themselves to side step the policies that a company has in place. The thing is, you have to know how to handle those situations when they arise with tact, and polite firmness. Sometimes you have to go over someone's head if there is enough reason to do so.

No one is suggesting that Schneider National Carriers is a perfect company, or that they are without issues that are not ideal for everyone. I, in fact probably would never work for them due to their lack of quality home time.

But for anyone looking to find the most economical way in which to enter the industry, it doesn't get any better out there than Schneider National Carriers. I've yet to find any training company out there that can match Schneider's standards in regard to their training program, training staff, attention to safety, accommodations during training, pay during training, and longevity potential on the job after training has completed. None of the others out there offering training to newbies can come close in any of those categories.

Mypie, reading your responses leaves no wonder as to why you didn't make the grade with Schneider. You are completely anti-social, mean spirited, crude when it comes to communication, and you sure can't take any constructive criticism. You can however retort with rhetoric befitting what can be heard in a bar full of drunks.

I no more think you have an Attorney that is going to do a thing for you, or who is going to draw so much as a drop of blood from Schneider regarding your complaint(s), than I think you will ever drive a truck for a living in the future. For someone who supposedly is under advice of an Attorney to "not speak", you sure offered a mouthful in a forum that the whole world can read. And the worst part is, that you can't have it removed.

Let's face it MyPie, you couldn't handle what it takes to do the job as a driver. You don't have the ability to control yourself, nor would you ever be able to deal with the pressures that the job demands. Should you pursue a job as a driver, you will likely be terminated from every job you land as a driver in short order, because your mouth and attitude will not be conducive with long term prospects as a truck driver. Contrary to popular belief, you do have to be able to interact with all kinds of people, and you have to be able to deal with those people effectively and without losing control.

Quite frankly, we already have enough anti-social people in driver's seats throughout the trucking industry, who came to trucking because they couldn't fit in anywhere else in the working world. I'm sure that Schneider saw this too, and it's why you are in the place you are in (Fantasy Land), and not in one of their orange trucks. I wouldn't want you representing my company either.

Take some of your own advice...get a life yourself. Your obsession with a company that terminated you for a good reason, albeit one that you happen to disagree with, only makes you look like a loon, the more you type.

Take notice of something else. I got all of my points across without eluding to, or offering one profane word. Give it a try sometime. It's a first step in a makeover of your personality, that is sorely lacking at the moment.

Mypie sorry you had a bad time with your trainer but trucking is no place for someone without thick skin, as a wife of a truck driver my children and I also have to have thick skin for the dissapointments that go along with the industry. not everyone is cut out for trucking. you could have done alot worst if you read reports about other companies the women are getting raped and beaten by there trainers.

now Charles I have read alot of your rants and for someone who was 22 yeras old only had there license for 2 years and no work history. you either sound very lazy or very spoiled I will now thank god everyday schneider did not put you on the road for mine and my familys safty. but its ok you cant spell cause niether can I.

also as far as broken promises yes schneider is famos for them the key is to get threw your contract and then you can quit and not owe them anything.

Every single point that you have made against me and my complaint has been an assumption and you have written in your own pointless theories of what I wrote - changing the words and leaving out the most valid points which were totally contradictory to the points you wanted to pose! What, you can't read - are you illiterate? You are familiar with what they say about people that make assumptions, aren't you Steven? I went back and read what I posted, and the only conclusion that I could draw was you must be a corporate spy - otherwise you wouldn't try to re-write my complaint to meet your own personal objectives and need to feel superior over others.

There's got to be a psychiatric disorder in there somewhere, hmmmmm, let's see, perhaps NPD (narcissistic personality disorder), or perhaps its more serious than that - I won't claim to be a psychiatrist, but I will advise that you may want to get that checked out. Medication could help.

With the current political season well underway, please allow me to say "you sound very much like a stupid republican", and you only hear what you want to hear and twist everything else to your own way. You voted for Bush - and you sound just like him. Our current President, currently being portrayed as the very worst President in all of American history! A portrayal that is completely accurate! But, please allow me to suggest that you add a few more .....ifcations and ......stifys to the end of your words - because the more syllables you use the smarter you will sound - Right, Steven?

Yet, you have the hutzbah to claim that I am a so called "cry baby" from where did you gather that crap. I am a stronger woman than you will ever be a man! You claim that I can't be taught - from where did you gather that lie. I have done more in my life with plenty of time left on my clock, than you will accomplish in your lifetime. If indeed, Steven, you are not a corporate spy and you work in IT and you have nothing to gain by protecting the sad reputation of Schneider - then please, Steven, please tell me what the F***** you're doing making these comments. What is it Steven, what do you own stock in Schneider? You want to protect the company's reputation so you keep making money off of the poor souls that get ripped off by them? The more poor souls, the more you make? What?

As for my suit, my attorney is very please that I brought this to light. Attorneys only get pleased when there is a lot of money in it for them, and that money won't be coming out of my pocket - he's doing it Pro Bono. You do know what that means, don't you Steven - or do I have to spell that out for you too. My attorney has advised me not to speak further on the particulars to this case - I do believe that I have accomplished that and still chewed you a whole new assoul - but none so great as the one that sits square in the middle of your face.

Get a F****** life already Steven. You might start that process by pulling that stick out of your ASSumption!

Hey guys, I'm back. I've been really busy and moved on from this screwed up "so called" training school with empty promises and no support.

What I do have today is an update on a number of students that I was in class with.

First, L- a student that was sent home with me - she has moved on and got her license without Schneider and is currently driving for another company.

J- a student that graduated and moved on to driving for Schneider - J- got in a minor accident and Schneider canned him. Yet, Schneider still continues sending J the outrageously high bills for his training! Telephone harrassment every single day demanding payment when they know J doesn't have a J.O.B.

And, last but not least there's S- who graduated from Schneider training and is still driving for Schneider but has found all the empty promises they made (ie., no forced dispatch, not asked to driving in unsafe weather conditions, allow you to get home once every 3 weeks, etc., etc., etc.) were all just empty promises. S- is simply miserable driving for Schneider, but now has an 18 month commitment of indentured servitude before S- can go in peace. S- is counting the days to freedom.

Mypie

I am glad schneider turned me down. If they had accepted me they would had to paid me a bus ticket all the way to Greenvill South Carolina. I have found a new company so I don't need schneider, schneider probally saved me alot of greif down the road then what I am already experinced, from there rejection.

I am alot happier know swift & schneider are bad companies I did not want to work for swift after reading how, they screw there drivers more then schneider does. All I did was to prove to schneider & everyone else on this report who tried to make my life miserable that another company would hire me for there training program.

Mypie, I don't doubt your trouble with Schneider. They are in the trucking business. They also make a lot of money in the training school which is its own entity. If you look at their website they have job fairs all around the country.

In Chicago they hold these in areas of the city that I wouldn't go into at night. Some of the poorest communities, near housing projects. They take plenty of applications every day. They weed out the majority by credit ratings.If you don't have good credit they can't collect. I believe they intend to actually hire those who pass their training.

Whether you pass their training or not they get their money...eventually, at high interest rates.Their "Fast Track" training certainly produces some good drivers. Great for them ! Those who might need some Extra help they will ignore because they get paid if you pass or not. It's a no loose venture for them.

When I investigated Schneider they told me their classes were about 60 students, You had over 80...Hmmmm. I would imagine their instructors would have attitudes from being overloaded from too many students. Don't forget that Schneider is a huge company and lately they have been "Chainsawing" jobs by the hundreds, so their instructors are probably just poor schmucks trying to remain afloat. I read ALL the postings by Charles a while ago just to find out about his mental condition and his medications or lack of. Schneider was right not to consider him for employment,due to lack of work history...ie "credit". These other rebutals are so used to Charles' manic babble (as he rocks back and forth in his chair),that they are ready to defend Schneider without considering the source.

In closing I would like to recommend to anyone who wants to become a truck driver to go to their local community college where you could learn from an actual certified teacher in a real school . Sure you will pay up front but they usually have job placement, and most companies offer tuition reimbursement. Some even have govt programs ,grants etc. Good luck to you and keep us posted .

Mypie, I don't doubt your trouble with Schneider. They are in the trucking business. They also make a lot of money in the training school which is its own entity. If you look at their website they have job fairs all around the country.

In Chicago they hold these in areas of the city that I wouldn't go into at night. Some of the poorest communities, near housing projects. They take plenty of applications every day. They weed out the majority by credit ratings.If you don't have good credit they can't collect. I believe they intend to actually hire those who pass their training.

Whether you pass their training or not they get their money...eventually, at high interest rates.Their "Fast Track" training certainly produces some good drivers. Great for them ! Those who might need some Extra help they will ignore because they get paid if you pass or not. It's a no loose venture for them.

When I investigated Schneider they told me their classes were about 60 students, You had over 80...Hmmmm. I would imagine their instructors would have attitudes from being overloaded from too many students. Don't forget that Schneider is a huge company and lately they have been "Chainsawing" jobs by the hundreds, so their instructors are probably just poor schmucks trying to remain afloat. I read ALL the postings by Charles a while ago just to find out about his mental condition and his medications or lack of. Schneider was right not to consider him for employment,due to lack of work history...ie "credit". These other rebutals are so used to Charles' manic babble (as he rocks back and forth in his chair),that they are ready to defend Schneider without considering the source.

In closing I would like to recommend to anyone who wants to become a truck driver to go to their local community college where you could learn from an actual certified teacher in a real school . Sure you will pay up front but they usually have job placement, and most companies offer tuition reimbursement. Some even have govt programs ,grants etc. Good luck to you and keep us posted .

Mypie, I don't doubt your trouble with Schneider. They are in the trucking business. They also make a lot of money in the training school which is its own entity. If you look at their website they have job fairs all around the country.

In Chicago they hold these in areas of the city that I wouldn't go into at night. Some of the poorest communities, near housing projects. They take plenty of applications every day. They weed out the majority by credit ratings.If you don't have good credit they can't collect. I believe they intend to actually hire those who pass their training.

Whether you pass their training or not they get their money...eventually, at high interest rates.Their "Fast Track" training certainly produces some good drivers. Great for them ! Those who might need some Extra help they will ignore because they get paid if you pass or not. It's a no loose venture for them.

When I investigated Schneider they told me their classes were about 60 students, You had over 80...Hmmmm. I would imagine their instructors would have attitudes from being overloaded from too many students. Don't forget that Schneider is a huge company and lately they have been "Chainsawing" jobs by the hundreds, so their instructors are probably just poor schmucks trying to remain afloat. I read ALL the postings by Charles a while ago just to find out about his mental condition and his medications or lack of. Schneider was right not to consider him for employment,due to lack of work history...ie "credit". These other rebutals are so used to Charles' manic babble (as he rocks back and forth in his chair),that they are ready to defend Schneider without considering the source.

In closing I would like to recommend to anyone who wants to become a truck driver to go to their local community college where you could learn from an actual certified teacher in a real school . Sure you will pay up front but they usually have job placement, and most companies offer tuition reimbursement. Some even have govt programs ,grants etc. Good luck to you and keep us posted .

To steven my grievances are not fasely, has you & others have told me. You are the one who is harassing me like how bart is calling me names, I have not called any of you names so you don't have the right to call me any names.

People have no right to continue to harass people. Your only purpose here steven is to insult & try to discredit peoples complaints.

This is to steven I was not under 21 when I applied with schneider so you are wrong there, the whole reason why because I didn't have any work history.

But they told me my application was in good standing & If I get some work experince for 1 year they would accept me for there training problem. I applied with swift two years later (2006) & they accepted me regardless of my work history.

Steven you do have the right to dispute peoples complaints but what you don't have the right to continue harassing them, like how you & bart have done. Calling someone names, like bart is not disputing there complaint its only to discredit them. Like I said you have the right to dispute peoples complaints but you don't have the right to continue to harass or hound people or to, keep telling people there complaint is not vaild.

For someone that has a driving job already you sure spend alot of time here. When do you start?

This is a public forum and just as you have a right to air your grievances (no matter how falsely based they are). Bart and I (as well as others) have the right to dispute them and maybe offer some advice or criticism of your stance.

In your case you were 18 years old (I assumed you were still under 21 when you graduated from high school, but could be wrong). You approached Schneider and they refused to train you. You said because you didn't have enough work experience (which may be part of the issue). Didn't you do any part time jobs while going to high school??? No, ohh well one character building process out of the picture. Not to say thats a bad thing but when you throw in not having any work experience with trying to get a job doing interstate trucking (which by the way you can't do under 21, as it is a federal law). The company in question did not take you into their program because of the following reasons:

1. They were looking to train and hire interstate truckers (which being under 21 they couldn't hire you to do this).

2. They have no idea of your work ethic (you have already shown you did nothing over the past few years then whine about them not hiring you because you were to young). So why train someone that you can't hire and that you have no idea what kind of worker they are??

Just ask yourself one question. With the above info would you take a risk on training and hiring you???? No, you more than likely wouldn't if you are someone that is a reasonable and truthful person. Sometimes the truth hurts you can either learn from it and move on or dwell on it and let it bring you down.

You then supposedly took a job with Swift (or were offered one anyway), then didn't show up just to show you could get training now (you are over 21 and can legally drive commercial trucks interstate as opposed to intrastate).

You never sued Schneider because you never had a case to begin with.

Mypie (the OP of this thread that you started whining on) likewise does not have a valid complaint against Schneider. I don't doubt that maybe the trainer was rude to her but from what I've seen from her responses she is the kind of person you can't teach anything new to anyway. Not saying she is a bad person just maybe not cut out for truck driving. Let's face it, what is she going to do when she makes a delivery and the loading dock person yells at her and calls her names. What is she going to do, call the company and complain, start crying on the loading dock???

How long do you think she is going to be able to keep the job once she is hired??

I read over their contract online and I don't see a blurb about "A GUARANTEE" that you will get a CDL. If you don't get a CDL then how are they going to hire you to drive a truck.

I don't think I am any better than you Charles (it would be a pretty good guess I am).

A lot of people on this site have valid complaints and concerns. You are not one of them. In this case Mypie is not either.

Happy New Year

Bart, if you don't stop posting to me I will complain about you to the editor of

this website, I have done nothing to you your only goal here is to insult people,

you have no right to accuse me of filing false reports. I, have not filed any false

reports I am glad I don't have to ever work for schneider they are crooks anyways,

why work for someone if they are going to terminate you after training. Your,

goal here bart is to harm my reports but, it will not work just like all the others.

My, complaints are not fraudlent people who file complaints on this website

should not have to put up with this abuse, you just like steven who thinks they

are better then everyone else who thinks they can come to this website & to

harass them & to harm there reports, like how you are trying to do to me.

Bart, you need to stop crapping in peoples reports, you say you have the right to

comment to reports so can I. But, I don't harass people or tell them they have

fraudlents complaints like I have seen you treat other people on this site.

you would have stopped posting the fraudulent reports, replies, and nothingness updates of further fraud and slander like others have told you lying racist.
You just continue to lie on a daily basis don't you. And, no, no one believes you or cares about whatever alleged employment you claim to have.

This, is to steven I don't need to sue schneider for anything I have found a new

company. So, u think I complain about everything I guess u are one of those

people who thinks they are better then everyone else, they can come to this

website, & judge everyone else. I, took peoples advice I looked @ other

companies. Your, only purpose here steven is to insult people.

Despite Charles and Mypies complaints I have yet to hear about any of them taking Schneider to court in any lawsuits.

For that matter I would like for someone to reference me to any legal action taken against Schneider in cases similar to what they have complained about.

Charles you and Mypie have the right to complain (even though Chuckles seems to complain about everything). On the other hand I have the right to give my two cents worth as well.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year on your new endeavors

I, see steven is the new defender of schneider national along with anthony,

why else would they be wasting there time attacking people who has filed

complaints agaisnt schneider.

I work in IT (Information Technology) doing WAN (Wide Area Network) support.

Get off your butt and sue Schneider if you feel you have a suit. I am just saying I don't see where you have one. I am sure Schneider would love to see you in court. I am sure you will love paying their lawyer bills when you lose. In addition to paying them a settlement.

Talk with Charles and see where he got his job. People try being nice and polite with you but you lack the intelligence to see it. Maybe you are not cut out for truck driving. Did your husband ever start??

I do not care if schneider rejected me anymore I am better of not working for them after reading these complaints agaisnt them I can find other trucking schools to learn to drive a truck. I don't need schneider after reading all these bad experince schneider has put people threw. People can attack & say every nasty thing they can to me & they can defend schneider all the want. Schneider can f** off after the way they have treated me.

I'm a 25 year old FEMALE truck driver for Schneider who also went through Green Bay academy. Every single instructor I encountered there genuinely cared about the success of their students, male or female. Our class, like many others, started with 40 (or 80 if you count the other side) and by the end of the 14 days we were down to 15-20 of the original 40. I don't think any of our girls were sent home, the ones that left, left on their own. Lots of guys left on their own and probably atleast five were SENT home. I was one of 3 women that ultimately graduated. I was ranked second in the entire class for the classroom portion. As far as the driving, I was a natural and my instructor and I spent all of the on-the-road time telling eachother hilarious life stories and just shooting the breeze. I never received any 1's on my daily evals and I was up to 3's by probably the 3rd day. I only struggled with backing, which my instructor was willing to stay after class one day to help me, but that ended up being the day that it finally clicked for me and we didn't need to stay late afterall. I passed the driving test, my CDL test, and my SQT all on the first try, with flying colors.

I'm not trying to come off as a ..., just thought I'd chime in to show my own evidence that there are no gender biases there, none that I saw anyway. Many women drive SNI trucks! Some are probably better than most of the male drivers!! :P I would say SNI employs more female drivers than the average company, by far! The fact that I sailed through training and had a good time there just goes to prove that maybe you just weren't truck driver material, and that's okay -- it takes all kinds.

You expect people to take you at YOUR word, yet you counter by calling me a liar.

The comments I have written are in direct response to those that you have offered, and I'm sorry if my words block the goal you have, in your weak attempt to ruin the reputation of a company that fired you.

If necessary, I can prove to anyone who I work for, and the fact that I've never been associated with Schneider Nation Carriers, thus I am definitely not a 'corporate plant'.

You've branded our discourse as a contest, where someone has to 'win'. I'm not competing for any prize, I assure you, because there's nothing TO win. But you're not going to sit there and call me names, and accuse me of being something that I am not, and get away with it untarnished.

My concern is simple. I have a working knowledge of the company in question. I know how they operate. I stand behind them due to the above-board standards they have adopted and the way they have brought a little decency into the trucking industry as a training carrier for those seeking the most economical way to enter it.

When I see sour grapes by a woman who has brought the misery she faced completely upon herself, and who has chosen to disguise and pass it off as a legitimate complaint, I think it deserves a response.

You have called me ignorant. Ignorant of what? The facts are clear. You were accepted for training. You washed out. I don't think anyone who has a brain would sit there and swallow the garbage you have offered up, as to the reason WHY you washed out. It's all been covered in this thread. There's no reason to rehash any of it again.

I find it amusing, to watch you take further swings in my direction, which my dear, are only making you look worse in my opinion. You're not going to strike a target. I'm quite flameproof.

I've never claimed to be an Attorney, and quite frankly I think too much of myself to ever want to be one. That digression aside, your acknowledgement that trucking isn't for everyone is a first step in the right direction of your thinking, because it apparently wasn't right for you.

The time I spend in this forum and others, where I tend to help people make wiser decisions in trucking related matters, is of course free time, and I find it peculiar that you would be concerned that this time I spend is uncompensated. That's my choice to make, isn't it?

I'm completely at ease in standing my ground and weathering your baseless attacks, and this is because I've endured far worse. Again, my goal is to see that the truth is in evidence, and I have no problem whatsoever in letting the interested reader decide completely on their own what that truth may be.

If they are more willing to accept your charges over my defense of the company, then so be it. I can no more force them to agree with me, than you can force them to agree with you.

Mypie, you don't get to dictate the conditions or terms that a response is considered to be valid. I suppose that you haven't been well versed in what the word 'hypocrisy' stands for. And of course, people who have no position from which to argue, often attempt to stifle the words of their opposition.

If you think you have 'removed my testicles' by offering yet another misplaced and baseless rant, then I can certainly understand why you feel as if you have been discriminated against.

You live in a fantasy world for sure.

Steven & Anthony as I see it are the true LIARS on this thread! They have plenty of comments which are designed to discredit my complaint - and my complaints are totally credible, honest, and legitimate. Therefore, the only thing left would be to say that - YOU ARE CORPORATE PLANTS! Placed here for no better reason than to monitor and discredit legitimate complaints to the benefit of the (who else) company. All you do is pick, pick, pick first one point to drill holes into, then another - trying to wear down the complaint and exhaust the complaintant - believing that if you get the last word you have won! Let me assure you boys, that just because I found neither of you credible or honest and I stopped responding to them - you did not win. Ignoring your ignorance reflects more on your arogant competancy than it does on my credibility. You were not present, you read more into my complaint than was written, you found the most minute points to try to pick apart, called me a liar and made false accusations and placed me in a position to defend myself.

As you have stated about "truck driving isn't for everyone", the same can be said of being an attorney. Guess you guys couldn't make it as trial attorneys so you now spend your time surfing Rip-Off Reports looking for someone to discredit. If you are not corporate plants - well, that is even more sad - because that means that all the time you have spent trying to put holes in my story - you have done for FREE. Maybe that is why you can't make it as attorneys - no attorney works that hard for free - they get paid by the word!

As I see it, you are comfortable as long as you are on the attack and making someone else jump to their own defense, but as soon as someone puts you on the defensive and calls attention to your own deceptiveness and points to the flaws in your manipulative character, you will not be so at ease.

If I am wrong - the result will be that you do not feel an uncontrollable need to respond to this comment. If I am right, I have sufficiently removed your testicals and you will feel a need to reply in kind, as you have done in the past. Do yourselves a favor, get a life - and in that life - if you do work of any worth, you should at least get paid for it.

Bart, you need to get a life I do not care how many people think I am a liar,

people call everyone liars who file complaints on rip-off report its nothing new,

why don't u go find another thread bart. I, am threw with listening to your childish

insults, how I am such a liar & everyone else insults you are trying to bother me

but its not going to work. Go, find someone else to attack from here on out

I am ignoring u.

Bart, I don't care what people call me u can continue to call me a racist & a liar

it doesnt bother me so get over it already. I, have put up with these insults

long enough, people can call me a liar all they feel like got it bart. You, are just

has stubborn & ignorant just like all the other posters.

I, have put up with these insults long enough for now on I am not going to say

anything who I apply with or what trucking school I would be going to. I, just

had it with these insults for the longest of time.

This, is to Cptchris I do not want to be one of you, after reading the many

complaints agaisnt schneider & how trucking companies treat people, I will not

allow myself to be treated that way. You, & everyone else can defend schneider

schneider is probally send u here to attack me & others who has something

negative to say agaisnt us. I, am the victim. Schneider, doesn't have to worry

I will not apply with them anymore I don't care anymore. Good day. People, will

get a rude response back if they send me a rude response.

Why, should I keep quiet & let everyone insult me I don't care if schneider didn't

want me anymore people are trying to damange my creditabilty so I would not get

hired or accepted into a trucking school, this goes for slander. I, don't need to

go to an out of state trucking school I have some in my state. Schneider, doesnt

have to worry about me applying with them anymore they have made there point,

they are never going to accept me, no matter if I get work experince. Schneider,

lied to me saying if I get one year work experince they would accept me they lied

to me to get me of the phone, cause deep down they didn't want me. Schneider,

can go f**k themselves I have has much right to comment just like everyone else.

If, & when I go apply with a trucking school & go to work for a company, I will not

tell anything about it on here.

Why, should I keep quiet & let everyone insult me I don't care if schneider didn't

want me anymore people are trying to damange my creditabilty so I would not get

hired or accepted into a trucking school, this goes for slander. I, don't need to

go to an out of state trucking school I have some in my state. Schneider, doesnt

have to worry about me applying with them anymore they have made there point,

they are never going to accept me, no matter if I get work experince. Schneider,

lied to me saying if I get one year work experince they would accept me they lied

to me to get me of the phone, cause deep down they didn't want me. Schneider,

can go f**k themselves I have has much right to comment just like everyone else.

If, & when I go apply with a trucking school & go to work for a company, I will not

tell anything about it on here.

Why, should I keep quiet & let everyone insult me I don't care if schneider didn't

want me anymore people are trying to damange my creditabilty so I would not get

hired or accepted into a trucking school, this goes for slander. I, don't need to

go to an out of state trucking school I have some in my state. Schneider, doesnt

have to worry about me applying with them anymore they have made there point,

they are never going to accept me, no matter if I get work experince. Schneider,

lied to me saying if I get one year work experince they would accept me they lied

to me to get me of the phone, cause deep down they didn't want me. Schneider,

can go f**k themselves I have has much right to comment just like everyone else.

If, & when I go apply with a trucking school & go to work for a company, I will not

tell anything about it on here.

Have you really forgotten about your frivolous report about Schnieder already? You certainly "updated" it enough with nothingness babble much like your other garbage. Let me remind you:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/207/RipOff0207864.htm

Title:
"Schneider National failure to hire me for trucking driving school company paid traing discrinmantion"

YOU APPLIED FOR A JOB AND WERE REJECTED! HOW MUCH MORE SIMPLER CAN IT BE STATED? STOP TRYING TO MISLEAD PEOPLE THAT YOU SOMEHOW HAD A CHOICE - YOU DIDN'T! YOU DID APPLY AND WERE GIVEN THE BOOT-OBVIOUSLY FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING THE SIMPLE DYNAMICS OF HOLDING A JOB SINCE YOU CAN'T.

That's why you are called a liar - because you are.

Charles the ONLY reason you even know what a DAC is is from reading these posts. As a former Schneider Driver and a current CDL Driver I am very greatful that I dont have to worry abut our being behind the wheel of a rig. As if theres not enough stress in this field, I feel safer already knowing your not NOW nor will you EVER be one of us. Just because a few people had bad experiences with Schneider doesnt mean the company is the worst out there. I was hired and trained by Schneider National and I signed a contract that I fullfilled and I can assurer you that the training is top notch. I am not currently driving for them but may return soon because of their treatment of drivers. Charles you made your point in that you will never again apply to Schneider so move on. I find your continous assaults and uneducated opinions on this subject very offensive since you dont have a CDL and you've never driven a big truck and therefore unable to make an intellligent contribution to this matter. The interesting thing is that your bent because everyone makes fun of you and calls you names yet you jumped the band wagon and say this company is terrible for doing the motoring public a solid by passing on training you. This field isnt for everyone and not EVERYONE can be taught to drive a truck. In closing, please dont insult those of us that DO drive trucks any further by continuing to comment on things you know nothing about.

Anthony u picked on the wrong person to pick on! schneider can screw themselves also they cannot discrinmate in hiring people. After reading the many reports how schneider treats new drivers I do not want to work for them.

At least they didn't have a chance to screw me like the many reports I have read about them. People, need to quit applying with schneider they are putting themselves threw it they can't blame anyone but themselves, they knew how schneider was when they applied with them, if they applied with them & got accepted & get screwed like the OP of this report its there fault people have tried to warn them about schneider & how they treat people. I have no sympthany.

I have read in these reports schneider hires trains people then terminate them, after training & still demand people to pay the costs for training how can they when they are not working. So there credit is know ruined & there dac record ruined, for them not to get another job. I will not allow schneider to ruin me like that.

Bart what if u had a problem with a businesses stealing from you, & u mare a report on this website. How, would u feel having everyone saying the same nasty things to u what u are saying to me, & telling u that u are lying. How would u feel? if u where in this same situation don't come back & say this will never happen to u, cause it happens to everybody. How would u feel when people call u names, insult u about your spelling, call u a liar, & accuse u of filing a false report. Please tell how would u feel being in a situation like this people calling u nasty things, like u are telling me how would u react this goes for everyone else.

Stop trying to sound intelligent by stealing my lines loser. _Your fraudulent complaints speak for themselves. That's what you don't seem to get. You lie yet again saying how you never applied to Schnieder, yet YOU DID AND WERE REJECTED!

As many people have tried to point out to you, and I will do so now, in response to your hijacking this thread with more of the same rants that you have offered in other areas on the site, that you have no complaint in regard to Schneider National Carriers.

You are a young man who has no verifiable work history, combined with the fact that you have been on disability and are on some rather powerful drugs to treat clinical depression and for manic depression, some of which may well be prohibited from being taken while operating a commercial vehicle. This information was offered by yourself in other sections of this site.

The Federal Government requires that complete history of any applicant who desires to drive a commercial vehicle for the most three recent years must be verified and documented. This background check includes your work history, any criminal convictions you may have, physical addresses where you have resided, credit history in some cases, and your general demeanor as may be asked of any references you may have supplied on your application.

Given the level of information that you, yourself have offered in print, it's clear as a bell why you were declined to enter the training program at Schneider National Carriers. You did not meet the Federal Guidelines for employment as a truck driver. You additionally did not meet Schneider's guidelines either.

Therefore, you were declined any offer of employment. It's that cut and dried. To offer anything else on the subject is pointless. The tone of your complaints since you were declined employment only proves that their decision to decline you employment was not only smart, it probably saved a few lives as well. You're not what I would remotely consider a stable person.

As I understand it, you have problems dealing with stressful environments. I assure you that driving a truck is not a job that you could do, if you have any problems dealing with stress. Driving a truck is on the top of many lists of study, as being the most stressful line of work that exists.

No one is 'crapping on your legit complaints'. You haven't offered any complaint that could be considered 'legit'.

Bart, you & everyone else needs to stop crapping in my legit complaints, &

making stuff up about me that isnt true to try to harm my complaints. If, my

complaint agaisnt schneider will cause me not to get a job so be it I have had it

with being done wrong, people need to quit crapping in my legit complaints.

The only problem was with the work history my background & driving record where clean, schneider made a big deal cause I didn't have a working history.

That is ok I am better off without schneider. They didn't want me so what.

I don't give a d**n.

I don't think there is anyone that has not read your rants regarding Schneider. What...is this the third or fourth thread that you've inserted yourself into?

Unfortunately, your complaint in regard to the company is as valid as hers has turned out to be.

The only difference is that she made it past the background check. You didn't.

You've been intellectually dishonest in what happened to you as well.

Case closed.

YOUR OWN ALLEGED COMPLAINT:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/207/RipOff0207864.htm

SCHNIEDER DIDN'T WANT YOU.

YOU WERE REJECTED!
YOU CAN NOT GET A JOB AT SCHNIEDER.
YOU TRIED AND FAILED THERE AS WELL AS SWIFT! YOUR DRIVING IS HORRENDOUS AS EXEMPLIFIED BY YOUR GETTING A TICKET FOR FAILURE TO YIELD THE RIGHT OF WAY.

OR ARE YOU FINALLY ADMITTING THAT THE REPORT YOU FILED IS ALSO AS BOGUS AS YOUR OTHER ONES ARE?
STOP CRAPPING IN OTHER PEOPLE'S LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS.

I will not work for schneider the poster & all the 20 other complaints agaisnt schneider are true. I will not allow schneider to ruin my good credit & my name & my dac record, & for them to cause me not to have another job. The only way to aviod this is for people to stop applying with schneider & this complaints will cease. Schneider did not accept me & I am glad they didn't, schneider would not accept me even if I did get work experince they can piss off, I decided not to be a truck driver anymore.

Nowhere have I stated that "it's always the student's fault. Nowhere have I stated that every man respects women properly. Nowhere have I stated that there was no discrimination in this world.

What I am saying is that YOU were not victim to any of the above, other than that you contributed to your own demise as outlined previously.

Any instructor who would verbally abuse a student would not last very long at Schneider. One who did it on a regular basis wouldn't last a week.

Are there possibly instructors that better relate to some than others? Sure there are. Just as you are an individual with differences, so are they.

Your mistake was simple. You spent more of your time seeking solace for your perceived injustices, and discussed your perceptions with his coworkers, which was a horrible mistake. You were a nobody. They work with him. Raised eyebrows, does not necessarily translate into sympathy. It can also signify that to agree with you might end the negative conversation sooner.

Your assessments of my comments are as meaningless as those you made behind the back of your instructor, both to his coworkers and to his superiors. It backfired on you, which should be a lesson to you.

It's also testimony to the fact that you attack, project, and rebel when faced with adversity, rather than to seek a path to fit into a situation in order to ease your way through it.

As to my defense of the company, I do it because I have monitored the training of no less than a dozen people who have been through it, some who still work for the company, and did this before giving them my endorsement, thus recommending it to those seeking an entry into the industry. I don't have to have stepped one foot on their property to know a thing or two about them and the way they treat people.

You have an immense chip on your shoulder, and like so many out there who attempt to find some way to fit themselves into some category of perceived discrimination, which by the way doesn't bring as much sympathy as it once did because it is so overplayed these days, you might want to rethink your strategies, because unless you do knock that chip off your shoulder, you can expect more disappointment in your life.

As to your final comment, I can only laugh. That just about sums up your demeanor, and may well be reflective of the reason you were washed from Schneider's training program.

People who lack the ability to discuss issues properly, quite often resort to selfless attacks of others, rather than to take it constructively.

Discrimination certainly does exist. But nothing I see in your complaint suggests that your experience qualifies as such. Take it for what you will. I'm free, an American, and over 21. I'm allowed to offer as much on this subject as you are.

While I might not see things as you do, what I do see is a bitter, revengeful woman who is in the middle of playing the game of life, and looking for a way to play those hidden cards up her sleeve to win the game unfairly.

Had you not used the "D" word, I might have simply passed this one up.

I have read the original complaint and all the rebuttals and all I see is alot of excuses inorder to hide your falling short. This job is not for everyone and for you to fall short is by no means an indication of your being a bad person. I went through the same training in Green Bay that you did and I found it very difficult and intense. I read your statement about how the instructor "Barked Commands" at you. Let me tell you from experience both while in training as well as out over the road afterwards, There is a hell of alot more to being a CDL driver than "steering the truck" as you put it. I am not the type to do the name calling OR to pass judgement on those that have tried to learn the job I do so please dont see this as a personal attack. I left SNI a few months ago and I have regretted it ever since and may probably return. I am by no means trying to imply that your assessment of your instructor is wrong but isnt it POSSIBLE that his costant barking was due to his trying to teach you how to react in stressful situations?. I know Marty and I agree with your opinion of him in that he ( and his wife who also is an instructor) is an outstanding and nice (depsite his size) instructor and driver. I also have serious doubts that if you voiced your concerns to him about your regular trainer that he didnt do anything to help you. I am not saying your lying...but I know how Marty is when it comes to students with issues and I just cant see him not helping you.

You said he just barked commands at you. How was he verbally abusive? Be specific. How did he sexually harass you? In case you cannot tell from some of the other postings truck driving is not for everyone. Maybe he was trying to see how you handled stress. Maybe he felt that since you were the last one to drive that you should have been observing the other two but you may have been sitting in the back sleeping or talking when you should have paid more attention to the range.

You keep changing your story. First time thru you waited after two days to complain and now you tried before then. Still sounds like bad personality dispute to me. What do you consider verbally abusive?? What does Schneider consider verbally abusive?? Did he personally fail the other three women?? Why did they fail??

I won't say much else for now. Please post the findings of your lawyer friends when they take the case (if they take the case) and then the judges decision.

True from what I've seen maybe you should write to Schneider corporate headquarters about this Mike guy. Go thru the posts and look for any others that had problems with him. Document them and send them as well.

Maybe Mike despite his patience issues is a good instructor. Maybe just maybe if you would have told him your feelings about his methods he would have thought more about how he was talking to you. I am sure that the other instructors may have told him about your conversations. Did any of them even suggest you talk to him and see about getting another instructor?

I can see alot of "blame" going around here. You seem to have a problem listening to others opinions. Seems you are quite opinionated yourself.

Good luck

The first thing Anthony did was call me "Dishonest" and I attest that everything I wrote was completely accurate - he started the name calling - I just got sick of him putting in his 2 cents and expecting change for a dollar.

Regardless, apparently everyone at the academy is aware of my driving instructor's lack of ability. I sought out management to resolve the issue during breaks, as was offered during a meeting that was held, and when I did upon several occasions (before/after class and during lunch) the management was nowhere to be found or in a meeting. I finally gave up looking for management, and having the opportunity to build a foundation with another instructor Doug O. (thanks Doug), I returned to my instructor and decided to see it through with my instructor.

All of the other instructors that I worked with were fantastic (Doug O., Marty, Lisa, and even Paul (who failed me on my driving test)). I did say so in my initial posting.

Still, it remains Schneider's responsibility to make sure that their driving instructors are not verbally abusive to students. If they are, then they have nob business being driving instructors. When I did make management aware of it, my instructor defended himself by lieing when the written report that he prepare completely contradicted his assertion that "I drove better on my first day than yesterday." No doubt in an effort to save his J.O.B.

My driving evaluation from day 10 consisted of primarily 1's and a handful of 2's given by my regular driving instructor, while my driving test from day 11 consisted of primarily 3's and a handful of 1's given by Paul. If Schneider's standards have any consistency at all this difference of opinion simply does not make any sense whatsoever.

My complaint is well documented as well as the contradictions!

If indeed Schneider's hiring criteria for driving instructors is so stringent - then I attest that one bad apple slipped under their radar. When an objection or complaint is made by the customer (that would be me) the business should have a method of resolving that complaint. Schneider simply indicated that there was no plan in place to resolve such a complaint or the money refunded. Therefore, it left me to pay a bill for $3550 for services that I did not receive. That is, unless I am paying for being verbally abused and set-up to fail for a period of 2 days.

During instruction class, Louise indicated that we were on a 14 day interview, undoubtedly taken from TV's "The Apprentice". Had Schneider's Academy genuinely been a "CDL Driving School", they should have been commited to the student's success in accomplishing their goal of obtaining a CDL. Only after providing that service to their so called "students", Schneider could make job offers to the best of the best - otherwise, it's not really a school - Now is it? Schneider's primary focus is not the students - it is however the qualifications of who they hire. And, for this priviledge - each employment candadate is billed substantially - whether or not you receive the job not to mention a CDL. Schneider bills as much for their 14 day CDL Driving Academy as most schools bill for a full 4 week program where the likelihood of success is greater than 40% and the instructors are paid to train students (rather than eliminate them).

I still believe that my instructor is gender biased which was his inspiration for verbally assaulting me while I was trying to steer the truck and keep the driving public of Green Bay free from being plowed into by a tractor/trailer loaded with concrete block.

And, to answer your question, yes I did pay attention on my first day while I watched the other 2 students drive (this was the only day that all 3 of us drove together in the first week), however, when I tried to duplicate it my instructor barked 10 other commands at me all at the same time. Nobody, I mean absolutely nobody, could focus on learning in such an environment.

I checked another report here and noticed your instructors name. Just sounds to me like you got someone that does not have much patience for anyone not just women. But still sounds like personality conflict to me not any grounds for a lawsuit though. You fall way short of that. Go ahead and check with your law firm friends. You have no case but wish you the best if that is the course you take.

You probably could have nipped this whole thing in the bud by telling him you lost the toss. He may not have appreciated students coming to a decision on who was to drive next and took your statement the wrong way. But was still your responsibility to bring this dispute to management. By the comment you made about him doing same thing to you two days in a row he tried to give you additional time behind the wheel without outside influences to distract you or to releive some of your stress. Sounds like he thinks you may not have been paying attention when the first two guys were driving. I am sure had them do the same things as he eventually had you do. Were you watching what he had them do.

No need to resort to name calling.

I wasn't there and neither was Anthony. He just expressed his opinion of his experiences with Schneider. Why go on the defensive unless he hit a nerve??


Maybe your instructor did have a problem with women as you indicated in your post. Why did you just discuss your problems with him with other instructors? Why didn't you immediately voice your concerns to the managers of the facility directly?

I think you will find that the other instructors although empathizing with you are very unlikely to trash their coworker to management especially since they weren't there either. It was your responsiblity to report any problems directly. I am sure that they could have placed you with a different instructor as I am sure personality conflicts often occur and changes can be made.

Why pay so much for training anyway?? Are there any community colleges or other tech training schools you can take advantage of to get truck driver training
in your area??

Wish you best whatever course you take but unless you have in writing that you are guaranteed a CDL upon completion that you are out of luck in that arena as well.

Thanks,

No need to resort to name calling.

I wasn't there and neither was Anthony. He just expressed his opinion of his experiences with Schneider. Why go on the defensive unless he hit a nerve??


Maybe your instructor did have a problem with women as you indicated in your post. Why did you just discuss your problems with him with other instructors? Why didn't you immediately voice your concerns to the managers of the facility directly?

I think you will find that the other instructors although empathizing with you are very unlikely to trash their coworker to management especially since they weren't there either. It was your responsiblity to report any problems directly. I am sure that they could have placed you with a different instructor as I am sure personality conflicts often occur and changes can be made.

Why pay so much for training anyway?? Are there any community colleges or other tech training schools you can take advantage of to get truck driver training
in your area??

Wish you best whatever course you take but unless you have in writing that you are guaranteed a CDL upon completion that you are out of luck in that arena as well.

Thanks,

No need to resort to name calling.

I wasn't there and neither was Anthony. He just expressed his opinion of his experiences with Schneider. Why go on the defensive unless he hit a nerve??


Maybe your instructor did have a problem with women as you indicated in your post. Why did you just discuss your problems with him with other instructors? Why didn't you immediately voice your concerns to the managers of the facility directly?

I think you will find that the other instructors although empathizing with you are very unlikely to trash their coworker to management especially since they weren't there either. It was your responsiblity to report any problems directly. I am sure that they could have placed you with a different instructor as I am sure personality conflicts often occur and changes can be made.

Why pay so much for training anyway?? Are there any community colleges or other tech training schools you can take advantage of to get truck driver training
in your area??

Wish you best whatever course you take but unless you have in writing that you are guaranteed a CDL upon completion that you are out of luck in that arena as well.

Thanks,

You're saying that every instructor is as good as yourself? (And, I'm giving you way more credit than I believe you deserve.)

You're saying that every man respects women and women truck drivers?

You're saying that there is no such thing as discrimination of any way, shape or form? And, that if I do feel discriminated against - it's my own fault? Yeah, that's right blame the victim approach - This bad attitude of yours simply doesn't work for me.

You're saying that if an instructor was gender biased - having upfront knowledge of the curriculum of an intensive 2 week (14 day straight) program - that gender biased instructor couldn't set-up a female student with no prior experience driving an 18 wheeler by delaying their initial learning process by continually verbally badgering, barking, insulting, etc. her for the first 2 days? This is simply crap.

It was when other instructors asked me who my instructor was and I told them . . . the raise of the eyebrow . . . the uncomfortable pause of silence, followed by the "oh, I see" comment and loss of eye contact . . . As if by naming my instructor, a familiar definition had been placed on my lack of progress to that point. While after 2 long and stressful days on the road with my instructor and having been able to pick up very little from his verbally abusive method of instruction - another instructor was able to get the wheels rolling in only a couple of hours with the same student! Explain it? Perhaps the fact that just the day before my driving test my instructor only gave me 4-2's and the rest 1's out of a total of 50+/- criteria that I was being graded on - yet, the very next day during my driving test with another instructor I received approximately 45-3's and only 4-5 1's on a grade scale of 1-2-3. Could 2 different instructors have such a different impression of the same student in a matter of a day?

The fact that I made my instructor's superiors aware of the problem and they failed to make amends of any form - still handing me a bill for 11 days of service when I had not received 11 days of service. This makes me the customer, and I qualify Schneider's customer service as "non-existent". Students that asked for additional help, even though it was encouraged, did not receive it - that is unless Schneider had already targeted those students to hire - then the students got the "extra" help they asked for. The students wanting to succeed and requiring extra help - Did NOT.

All these points - and your lack of presence - leaves your comments and dissertation empty, ignorant, and lacking insight at any level.

And, as you so rudely pointed out - you chose to place your comment and support of Schneider on the internet for the whole world to see - I believe that it will also be very obvious to all those who do read it that your opinions are slighted in favor of the company for whatever reason. But, the truth is that it is obvious to any individual that has ever faced or witnessed any form of discrimination of any kind that the indicators of discrimination can be so subtle that it could be denied by the perpetrator to prevent the case from being actionable.

So, please allow me to advise you to simply shut-up already. You look as ignorant at this point as a skin-head denying that the Holocaust ever took place.

If you ask me, and I'm aware that you didn't, it may well have been your constant backbiting of your instructor that contributed to your being cut from the ranks, along with your failure to pass the driving test.

My rebuttal is offered and based on what you have stated in your initial complaint. I have no reason to "suck-up" to anyone. I've never been associated with Schneider National Carriers in my entire life. For many years now, I have evaluated trucking companies, published assessments of them online, and have guided people in making smarter decisions when they are choosing a driving job. I've sent many people to Schneider whom I felt would benefit from the association. I have spoken to management of the company many times on the phone. I have not profited one penny for my efforts.

If indeed you have had the ability to know for certain who and of what gender the graduates of your class consisted of, and determined all of those that passed and who failed, which I tend to doubt, the fact remains that you were one that did not pass. Setting everything else aside for a moment, you had unrealistic expectations from the moment you hit their property. You expected to be handed a CDL, above and beyond anything else, because it was "promised". It was totally unrealistic to expect it.

Let's be clear about something. It is never any company's desire to bring in people who will not qualify eventually as a driver, to invest the expenses of training them, just to cut them from a class. Their goal is to train and qualify you for the job. But, as I stared before, some people will never qualify. They are not trainable. They don't have what it takes.

What some people fail to understand is that the company is also gauging your attitude while they are evaluating your motor skills. What I see in the words you have offered in this setting, is someone that in my personal opinion, didn't have the right mindset for the job. You spent much of your time seeking to dump your trainer behind his back for one more compatible in your estimation, rather than sucking it up, and buckling down to complete the course. But it's all their fault that you failed.

You consider my comments "uncalled for", which is fine but again not realistic, because you made the choice to make your complaint public, and when anyone decides to do this, they run the risk of criticism.

I think that given the sentiment you have displayed in this forum setting, where the others involved are not here to defend themselves, gives me enough to state that it's easy to see why you were not afforded any extra consideration to help you qualify.

But by all means, go ahead and seek your day in court. You'll achieve as much success in your efforts in that venture as you did in obtaining a CDL.

Schneider National Carriers is one of the more HONEST companies out here, with standards that are heads above others within the industry that offer training from the ground up, and all you need to do to confirm that fact, is to try out any other company to see what I mean.

For anyone considering an exchange of a commitment of service, for free training to become a truck driver, Schneider is the ONLY company I recommend going with. They have the track record of training drivers right, they have the best working and living conditions while in training, and they retain more drivers than any other out there, even after the commitment period has been met.

Are they perfect? Of course not. Is every person who applies to work for them, and is accepted perfect either? Not on your life. Many people like the idea of driving a truck, but they have no concept of what the job is about, much less understand how difficult it is to manuever a truck and trailer that takes up 70 feet of space.

Attitude is everything. A great one will take you far, and a crappy one will sink you faster than the Titanic.

If you ask me, and I'm aware that you didn't, it may well have been your constant backbiting of your instructor that contributed to your being cut from the ranks, along with your failure to pass the driving test.

My rebuttal is offered and based on what you have stated in your initial complaint. I have no reason to "suck-up" to anyone. I've never been associated with Schneider National Carriers in my entire life. For many years now, I have evaluated trucking companies, published assessments of them online, and have guided people in making smarter decisions when they are choosing a driving job. I've sent many people to Schneider whom I felt would benefit from the association. I have spoken to management of the company many times on the phone. I have not profited one penny for my efforts.

If indeed you have had the ability to know for certain who and of what gender the graduates of your class consisted of, and determined all of those that passed and who failed, which I tend to doubt, the fact remains that you were one that did not pass. Setting everything else aside for a moment, you had unrealistic expectations from the moment you hit their property. You expected to be handed a CDL, above and beyond anything else, because it was "promised". It was totally unrealistic to expect it.

Let's be clear about something. It is never any company's desire to bring in people who will not qualify eventually as a driver, to invest the expenses of training them, just to cut them from a class. Their goal is to train and qualify you for the job. But, as I stared before, some people will never qualify. They are not trainable. They don't have what it takes.

What some people fail to understand is that the company is also gauging your attitude while they are evaluating your motor skills. What I see in the words you have offered in this setting, is someone that in my personal opinion, didn't have the right mindset for the job. You spent much of your time seeking to dump your trainer behind his back for one more compatible in your estimation, rather than sucking it up, and buckling down to complete the course. But it's all their fault that you failed.

You consider my comments "uncalled for", which is fine but again not realistic, because you made the choice to make your complaint public, and when anyone decides to do this, they run the risk of criticism.

I think that given the sentiment you have displayed in this forum setting, where the others involved are not here to defend themselves, gives me enough to state that it's easy to see why you were not afforded any extra consideration to help you qualify.

But by all means, go ahead and seek your day in court. You'll achieve as much success in your efforts in that venture as you did in obtaining a CDL.

Schneider National Carriers is one of the more HONEST companies out here, with standards that are heads above others within the industry that offer training from the ground up, and all you need to do to confirm that fact, is to try out any other company to see what I mean.

For anyone considering an exchange of a commitment of service, for free training to become a truck driver, Schneider is the ONLY company I recommend going with. They have the track record of training drivers right, they have the best working and living conditions while in training, and they retain more drivers than any other out there, even after the commitment period has been met.

Are they perfect? Of course not. Is every person who applies to work for them, and is accepted perfect either? Not on your life. Many people like the idea of driving a truck, but they have no concept of what the job is about, much less understand how difficult it is to manuever a truck and trailer that takes up 70 feet of space.

Attitude is everything. A great one will take you far, and a crappy one will sink you faster than the Titanic.

If you ask me, and I'm aware that you didn't, it may well have been your constant backbiting of your instructor that contributed to your being cut from the ranks, along with your failure to pass the driving test.

My rebuttal is offered and based on what you have stated in your initial complaint. I have no reason to "suck-up" to anyone. I've never been associated with Schneider National Carriers in my entire life. For many years now, I have evaluated trucking companies, published assessments of them online, and have guided people in making smarter decisions when they are choosing a driving job. I've sent many people to Schneider whom I felt would benefit from the association. I have spoken to management of the company many times on the phone. I have not profited one penny for my efforts.

If indeed you have had the ability to know for certain who and of what gender the graduates of your class consisted of, and determined all of those that passed and who failed, which I tend to doubt, the fact remains that you were one that did not pass. Setting everything else aside for a moment, you had unrealistic expectations from the moment you hit their property. You expected to be handed a CDL, above and beyond anything else, because it was "promised". It was totally unrealistic to expect it.

Let's be clear about something. It is never any company's desire to bring in people who will not qualify eventually as a driver, to invest the expenses of training them, just to cut them from a class. Their goal is to train and qualify you for the job. But, as I stared before, some people will never qualify. They are not trainable. They don't have what it takes.

What some people fail to understand is that the company is also gauging your attitude while they are evaluating your motor skills. What I see in the words you have offered in this setting, is someone that in my personal opinion, didn't have the right mindset for the job. You spent much of your time seeking to dump your trainer behind his back for one more compatible in your estimation, rather than sucking it up, and buckling down to complete the course. But it's all their fault that you failed.

You consider my comments "uncalled for", which is fine but again not realistic, because you made the choice to make your complaint public, and when anyone decides to do this, they run the risk of criticism.

I think that given the sentiment you have displayed in this forum setting, where the others involved are not here to defend themselves, gives me enough to state that it's easy to see why you were not afforded any extra consideration to help you qualify.

But by all means, go ahead and seek your day in court. You'll achieve as much success in your efforts in that venture as you did in obtaining a CDL.

Schneider National Carriers is one of the more HONEST companies out here, with standards that are heads above others within the industry that offer training from the ground up, and all you need to do to confirm that fact, is to try out any other company to see what I mean.

For anyone considering an exchange of a commitment of service, for free training to become a truck driver, Schneider is the ONLY company I recommend going with. They have the track record of training drivers right, they have the best working and living conditions while in training, and they retain more drivers than any other out there, even after the commitment period has been met.

Are they perfect? Of course not. Is every person who applies to work for them, and is accepted perfect either? Not on your life. Many people like the idea of driving a truck, but they have no concept of what the job is about, much less understand how difficult it is to manuever a truck and trailer that takes up 70 feet of space.

Attitude is everything. A great one will take you far, and a crappy one will sink you faster than the Titanic.

What I wrote was a full and accurate account of what happened. I know that my instructor was bitterly divorced and had written off women because he said so to one of my fellow students while I sat in the berth.

I am an honest person. I gave credit to the instructors that performed admirably. As for my instructor - no way around it - he sucked. It was also apparent that the other instructors were fully aware of his incapabilities. When they found out who my instructor was it seemed everyone was jumping on the bandwagon to help me out when his back was turned.

Your rebuttal is based on nothing, nothing but stink of company suckup support. You must get paid well for it.

As for Schneider - well, my experience left a bad taste in my mouth.

As for the 84 students, and 3 out of 6 girls that were sent home - that is a fact. Any men that were sent home, sent themselves home by choice. Without first being given a solid foundation to build on, there was simply no way that I could keep up with the program, and the damb bastards that promised additional help failed to provide it when it was requested. They also failed to provide me the additional 2 days that was robbed from me because of a gender biased sexist sob instructor. Then they had the huzbah to hand me a bill for $3550.

I'm not bitter - I simply don't like being lied to and set up to fail. Your response was totally uncalled for not having been at the facility to witness what happened to me (as my classmates did and I do have witnesses). I do know the finest Michigan Avenue Litigator in Chicago and I won't hesitate to give him a call. Schneider is a dishonest company and the world should be forewarned. That is exactly what this website is for!

Mypie, your complaint reeks of typical commentary coming from someone who would rather point fingers at others for their failures, rather than a valid complaint of mistreatment.

You preface your remarks by offering that your trainer had a bad attitude towards women in general due to a nasty divorce. How could you possibly know this? I find it very hard to believe that this man would have shared his outlook about women in such a setting. I suspect that you bought into some sideline discussion behind his back. Then, you end your comments threatening litigation based on gender discrimination.

I've trained many women to drive trucks. I have nothing but high regard for anyone, man or woman, that seeks to learn the trade. But, the job is not for everyone, and some people just can't grasp the skills necessary to drive a truck easily.

Schneider National Carriers is a company that selects the people they put in the positions of training drivers very carefully. Their schools are certified by several course evaluation organizations. They have the best track record of turning out some of the safest and well trained candidates of any training carrier.

I would agree that since you washed out during training, that you are not responsible for the training costs, due to the fact that they cut you from the program, and I know that Schneider will not hound you for those costs if you ignore them. Had you quit voluntarily, that might be different.

Another incredible claim that you offer is that of 84 people, that only three women were cut from the class. I seriously doubt this was fact as well. It is not unusual for up to 40% of a class to not finish. By day 14, there may have been several men who were cut from the class.

Our system of justice allows people to file cases for their grievances, and it may well be the case that your "former personal relationship" with one of Chicago's "finest" litigators will result in your pursuing your complaints, but it will be a waste of your time.

Schneider has a fine record of their own. They are an equal opportunity employer and training company. If they were not, you would not have been given the chance to try. You know very well that you were screened and accepted under some very stringent standards, and among the approximately 5% of people accepted into the training program who apply for consideration.

And lastly, no one could have "promised" you a CDL. You have to pass all of the tests, including the driving test in order to qualify to be issued a CDL. Apparently, you did not pass the driving test.

Perhaps you can turn this failure into triumph. If you are determined, and if you desire to learn to drive a truck, get up off the ground after being thrown by the horse, and get back on it.

Re-apply in six months and go for it again.

I'd advise you to knock that chip off your shoulder though, because that will get you nowhere...fast.