• Report: #202334
Complaint Review:

Valvoline Instant Oil Change

  • Submitted: Fri, July 21, 2006
  • Updated: Sun, August 20, 2006

  • Reported By:El Segundo California
Valvoline Instant Oil Change
1405 Sepulveda Blvd Manhattan Beach, California U.S.A.

Valvoline Instant Oil Change, RFG Oil. 2 warranties; neither willing to stand by their product; court fails Manhattan Beach California

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In preparation for a long road trip in April 2005, I had my 2004 Hyundai Santa Fe transmission fluid changed at(RFG Oil, Inc., dba) Valvoline Instant Oil Change on Sepulveda Blvd in Manhattan Beach. Was advised by them that their product would not void my warranty.

After driving to the bank (approx 1 mile away) reverse gear failed. Returned vehicle to Valvoline. Valvoline replaced the fluid again, this time using Hyundai fluid. Still no reverse. Took the vehicle to Power Hyundai in Torrance. The technicians at Power Hyundai determined the transmission needed to be replaced. Valvoline said it was a Hyundai issue; Hyundai said it was a Valvoline issue. This went back and forth for 3 weeks.

At one point, Hyundai offered to replace the transmission under warranty. They asked for Valvoline to fax them a statement that their product met Hyundai specifications. That was all they had to do. One line. Jeff Gong of Valvoline sent a 3 page fax. The first page stated their product complied with "Chrysler" specifications, the second page was their product sales and warranty info, and the third page was a table that stated Hyundai (along with 19 out of 21 other auto "specification or application") DID NOT approve their product.

Steve Brotkin, service manager at Power Hyundai, said he was very sorry, but there was no way they could honor the warranty after receiving that fax. I needed my vehicle and paid for the transmission replacement myself. Follow up demands for reimbursement went nowhere.

I in March 2006 filed suit in small claims court. Because of a series of unfortunate events and bad judicial judgement, I lost. For the first "trial" I was unable to serve Valvoline. Service of process WAS NOT ACCEPTED at their corporate address (service via certified mail to their address of record). Both Hyundai Motor America and Power Hyundai accepted service and appeared. After listening to testimony, the judge #1 said he was dismissing against Hyundai. It was very clear to him that failure after driving 1 mile was evidence of bad fluid by Valvoline. I asked him not to dismiss against Hyundai, that I wanted both defendants in court facing each other. He said he would reinstate Hyundai as a defendant if Valvoline had compelling evidence and he ordered Hyundai to appear as my expert witness at the next "trial". At the next "trial", Hyundai appeared as my witness. Judgement (judge #2) was entered for me and against Valvoline.

Valvoline appealed.

I attempted to contact Scott Kahle of Hyundai Motor America, who previously appeared for Hyundai. Hyundai customer service would not provide me with his contact information. They did, however, send my contact information to Mr. Kahle. I never got a response from him. Power Hyundai is no longer in business so I was unable to contact Steve Brotkin, their service manager, or anyone else from there.

I contacted the court and requested a copy of the transcript of the first "trial" where judge #1 said he would reinstate Hyundai as a defendant. The court provided me a copy of the second "trial." When I went back to request the transcript for the first trial (the one I ordered), I was told it was too late, clerk could not prepare it before trial. Needless to say, at the "trial de novo," I lost. I was severly outgunned.

Valvoline produced letters from "experts" that their fluid could not possibly have caused the failure, that it was "a pre-existing condition." (Why didn't they provide this information to Hyundai when Hyundai was willing to do the work under warranty?) I had no expert testimony to present and no witnesses. My documentation was not technical, only circumstantial. Judge #3 was unwilling to continue the trial and said he didn't think he could reinstate the defendant Hyundai.

Both companies "warrant" their products. Neither company stood by their warranty. And even the judicial process failed me.

I did everything according to the book. I followed up (daily, even several times a day). I kept notes of calls and copies of correspondence and receipts. I'm not a not a technical person or a mechanic. Just a victim.

El Segundo, California

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

You still might have a way to deal with this.

AUTHOR: Leo - (U.S.A.)

I am an Automotive Inspector with nearly 20 years of experience in the field, and I have worked for virtually every Inspections and Extended Warranty company in the country AND many manufacturers.

From experience, I give little trust to paperwork usually it's meaningless. I do know, however, that in order for the transmission to fail within one mile, just somewhat incompatible or not approved fluid is not enough. I can't even suggest what it should be asphalt?
First question: did the Hyundai dealer disassemble the unit for inspection, and if yes - what did they find? If and it looks like the case they did not, the whole discussion is completely pointless!

The only suggestion I have is this: you should have the unit torn down and inspected internally you'll have to pay for that preferably at an independent transmission shop. Their findings need to be documented WITH PHOTOGRAPHS. This is hard evidence you can work with.

You've learned the hard way that the legal system has nothing to do with the spirit of law, and worst of all with common sense. It's more concerned about keeping the lawyers busy. I have testified in courts as an expert witness, and know how the system works.
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