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Complaint Review: AAMCO - Clearwater Florida

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AAMCO Unnecessary Repairs Infiltrated Clearwater Florida

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I spent years infiltrating Aamco and found it was all true.

In 1970, I said to my wife, "This car is leaking half a cup of transmission fluid a week. I'm going to have to check the modulator valve". Before I got off work that day, she had taken it to Aamco and paid them the price we paid for the whole car, to overhaul the transmission for a minor leak. Both of us being 20 years old, she was stupid enough to do that, and I was stupid enough to hit the ceiling about it. I offered to take the transmission out and hand it to Aamco, but, no deal. They had my money, and that was the end of it.

The 34th street Aamco in St. Petersburg Florida is now out of business.

In 1985, my van started making a grinding noise in the transmission. I went to the Aamco on Tyrone Blvd in St. Petersburg Florida and had them charge me $1000 to replace the gear with a tooth broken off, but I decided that I would not be able to go through life without knowing about transmissions. I took night classes in rebuilding automatic transmissions. My teacher was supposedly the best Aamco mechanic in the state of Florida. Lucky me! I actually like him as a person.

During those classes, I rebuilt several transmissions, one of them being a Ford FMX for my wife's car, just for practice. Some months later, it was time for my annual service on the Aamco transmission in my van. I took the wife's car to the Tyrone store and said, "I want whatever you call changing the oil, filter, and doing adjustments". The manager said the transmission was "all tore up" and needed an overhaul, along with the standard "I can't guarantee you'll make it out of the parking lot if you don't buy an overhaul".

It is true that he can't guarantee a job I didn't buy, but I love the way they turn that phrase. It's so deliciously frightening!

I did not buy an overhaul for a transmission that was less than a year old, and that I personally built, myself. (It never did fail in the ten years we kept it, plus as long as the wife's son had it.) I did go back home and bring the van to the same store. I told the manager the same thing and he said the same thing. I pulled out my warranty papers and told him to "go ahead". He called me something that resembles "rooster vacuumer", but he did not rebuild the transmission. Go figure. So I wrote a letter to Aamco headquarters in Pennsylvania and told them all about it.

The Tyrone store is no longer in business. I'd like to think I helped with that.

That left me going to Clearwater for my annual service. I took the wife's car there, said the same thing, and they said the same thing. Then I revealed that the man who taught the transmission classes worked there. End of ripoff, at least for me.

A few years later, I was going to try rebuilding an Aerostar transmission for fun and profit. It was "found on road dead" and towed in by the police. I got it for $500 because the transmission wouldn't do anything. I took it apart and marveled at how good it looked inside. I found nothing wrong, so I took the torque converter to my old teacher, where he had moved, to the Countryside Aamco and asked him if it was O.K. He took the input shaft from my hand, stuck it in the torque converter, and fooled around a bit. He pronounced it healthy and I proceeded to rebuild the transmission. I had that transmission in and out of that van three times before I found that the torque converter had stripped splines where the input shaft goes into it. What a waste of time and effort!

The moral of that story? The best Aamco transmission mechanic in the state wouldn't know a bad torque converter if he had it in his lap. I guess that's because half the cars that go to Aamco don't need a new torque converter, but they sell you one, anyway. That's the only way I could figure a guy with 20+ years of experience not needing to know what a stripped spline looks like.

I've dealt with several Aamco stores, took the classes, worked with their mechanics, and rebuilt several, myself. I know for sure that every Aamco I've ever been in makes it a practice to sell a complete rebuild, using scare tactics and lies, even when they know for sure that nothing is wrong with the transmission.

Aamco is an equal opportunity ripoff. I am not an ignorant person whining about being taken advantage of because of some personal problem with my sex, race, or religious beliefs. I'm brilliant, I did my homework, I'm a "white man with a job", and Aamco tried to cheat me three consecutive times after I had enough specific education to know what they were doing.

Do NOT go to AAmco unless you already know you need a complete overhaul and are willing to pay high retail for it. You can check the other testimonials on this site about how they handle the warranty you will get for your money.

Wilson
St. Petersburg, Florida
U.S.A.

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AUTHOR: Wilson - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, June 10, 2007

I've read some of the complaints here and thought, "I knew that was coming , maybe I should have told somebody". I know these things because I involved myself with Aamco, but I didn't actually work there. I am entering the realm of speculation, as opposed to the strictly factual that was in my first report.

In general Aamco works like this: They don't sell repairs, they sell overhauls. They know the price of the overhaul for any particular transmission before you get there, and the transmission you are going to drive away with is usually sitting on a shelf waiting for you. The prices are high enough to cover their costs and make a fair profit for the worst possible case. That price includes "hard parts". Everyone is charged the standard price for the worst possible case. A torque converter is required with every overhaul, therefore, it must be included in the estimate. Adding it on later is like ordering a chocolate malted and finding out they want you to sign an additional consent for extra fees to include milk when they make it. Still, get it in writing! I am increduloius at the number of complaints I see about Aamco raising the price later, for what was chaged for in the first place.

In the course of working on transmissions for years, some of the workers get to be pretty brilliant about this kind of work. They still don't know everything, and the constantly changing car designs keep them learning, constantly. Sometimes, you get to be the guinea pig by presenting a transmission that this particular mechanic hasn't previously worked on. They get into trouble by not knowing everything about every transmission, immediately, and not being brilliant enough to back away from selling you an overhaul when some other problem is causing the transmission to act oddly.

The first "standard" act is to look at the tranny fluid and pronounce it "burnt". Aamco pretends this means you need an overhaul. It doesn't. If you go to a junk yard and check the transmission fruid of the wrecked cars, you will find that 99% of them died from external causes while driving around with "burnt" transmission fluid. Personally, I buy a fluid change kit with gasket and filter, install one on every car I acquire, and braze a drain plug into the pan. After that I drain the 3 or 4 quarts that will come out, every time I change the engine oil, That results in about a 78% tranny fluid change every year. That isn't perfect, but it is ever so much better than no fluid changes at all, for 100,000 miles. The slow replacement of the tranny fluid keeps it from thickening and becoming degraded with age. That keeps several problems at bay.

The second standard act is to tell you that the transmission has been damaged and driving it will hurt it more. They don't tell you they do a complete overhaul and charge the same price, no matter what condition it is in. If you resist, they start with the scare tactics. "I can't guarantee you'll get home if you don't buy an overhaul". They can't guarantee you'll get home if you DO buy an overhaul! That is because the most likely time for a valve to get stuck on a piece of dirt is right after they disturb everything by taking it apart.

Torque converters contain several critical parts and Aamco does not cut them open and rebuild them. They buy rebuilt torque converters. Torque converters contain a lot of tranny fluid, and it is very difficult to rinse every nook and cranny for particles that will cause problems later. That is the best reason to replace the torque converter, and why it is included with any overhaul. It's like paying a dollar each for o-rings when assembling a car air conditioner. Outrageously over priced, but the trouble they can cause is well worth the insurance of buying them. Torque converters also contain bearings, clutches, and other stuff that wears out or gets stuck. You can't look inside them and fumble around with the innards, so replacing them is a form of insurance.

Most transmissions die from clutch wear. The clutches just fade away until they start slipping. At that point, the damage is done. Sometimes the face material from the clutches gets in the valve body and the transmission stops shifting correctly. Opening a transmission to replace a couple of $20 clutches is the perfect time to throw in a $100 "rebuild kit" and no one will guarantee a repair without replacing the rubber parts and paper gaskets. Disturbing them during a repair pretty much guarantees they will start leaking. The price of the kit is nothing compared to the labor. Tearing a tranny apart twice because you were too cheap to buy the overhaul kit is the rule, not the exception.

While we're at it, bushings. Any bushing that shows any tiny spot where the white metal is gone, should be replaced. There are spacers between the clutches. They look a lot like washers. They are responsible for the sum of the heights of all the parts to be the right length to fill the external case properly. Sometimes you need a set of spacers to get the final clearance from the front cover right.

Sometimes a transmission breaks something. That's called a "hard part". Most of the hard parts come from junk yard tranny's. They are really quite expensive. The worst transmission I ever did required $650 worth of parts. I'd still make a nice profit if I was charging $2,000 for that overhaul. The profit from most transmissions that only require a gasket set and a couple of clutches? That's what pays for lobster dinners and champagne!

If you go to Aamco, you're going to buy an overhaul or have it towed home with a box of parts in the trunk, after paying hundreds to have your transmission disassembled. They even tried that on me when I brought 2 recently overhauled transmissions in for preventative maintenance. I sincerely suggest you check around for somebody else to do all of your tranny work. Some mechanics are honest and charge way less than the prices needed to support all that A-A (beep beep) M-C-O advertising.

I know you're over a barrel when the tranny dies, but you have to adjust to that fact quickly. Your horse has a broken leg. If you don't own a spare car, you have to become willing to accept the fact that you are going to hire taxi cabs for a while, rent a car, leech off your friends, take busses, ride a bicycle, limit your traveling severely, or most of the above. You have to consider what your car is worth compared to thousands for a transmission. Could you sell it with a known bad tranny and lose less than Aamco charges? Can you spend a week finding an honest mechanic and another week to get it repaired? Can you install a junk yard transmission?

I'm a very rare person. I went to school and learned to overhaul my own transmissions.

If you have the money for an Aamco overhaul, and an expensive car, go for it. Aamco does proper work 99% of the time. Just know what you're in for. It's always a complete overhaul and it's always expensive.

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