CYDCOR / DS-MAX / Arsene-Lee Advertising And Many More ripoff, LIES, brainwashing San Francisco, CA

My dear...it was not Jessica who wrote that response. It was "L"; aka, "Hilary". Hi. Nice to meet you. :)

My dear...it was not Jessica who wrote that response. It was "L"; aka, "Hilary". Hi. Nice to meet you. :)

My dear...it was not Jessica who wrote that response. It was "L"; aka, "Hilary". Hi. Nice to meet you. :)

My dear...it was not Jessica who wrote that response. It was "L"; aka, "Hilary". Hi. Nice to meet you. :)

Jessica,

I don't doubt that your efforts hoofing it for SF Marketing/Randy Bernard taught you valuable sales/people skills. The ability to hold on month after month grueling month for just under two years is itself proof of considerable determination and follow through on your part. As we all know, hardly anybody made it THAT long.

But I disagree with the point you think you're making when you write, "You get out what you put in. Period." Yes, there is much to be said for working hard at the tasks we set ourselves. In a very general way, we often do get from life just what we put into it; hard work is the cornerstone of success. But there are exceptions, and working for SF Marketing/Arsene-Lee was one of them.

Randy ran a fraudulent operation. His business model was based on a deliberate effort to mislead and manipulate his employees. If you have any doubt about this, please review almost any of the above posts, or, better yet, reconsider your own memories. My concern isn't with those who dropped out after a day or week, with those who didn't try, but with the many others who stuck around, applied themselves and -- and you yourself testify -- worked their a**es off for a crook. Hard work is important, but so too is fair compensation, honesty and just rewards. I find it interesting that you chide people for feeling like they're "falling short" when you ought to be asking why Randy realized profits far in excess of any actual work he did beyond faux interviewing. That doesn't seem to fit with your ideas about "getting what you put into it."

Jessica,

I don't doubt that your efforts hoofing it for SF Marketing/Randy Bernard taught you valuable sales/people skills. The ability to hold on month after month grueling month for just under two years is itself proof of considerable determination and follow through on your part. As we all know, hardly anybody made it THAT long.

But I disagree with the point you think you're making when you write, "You get out what you put in. Period." Yes, there is much to be said for working hard at the tasks we set ourselves. In a very general way, we often do get from life just what we put into it; hard work is the cornerstone of success. But there are exceptions, and working for SF Marketing/Arsene-Lee was one of them.

Randy ran a fraudulent operation. His business model was based on a deliberate effort to mislead and manipulate his employees. If you have any doubt about this, please review almost any of the above posts, or, better yet, reconsider your own memories. My concern isn't with those who dropped out after a day or week, with those who didn't try, but with the many others who stuck around, applied themselves and -- and you yourself testify -- worked their a**es off for a crook. Hard work is important, but so too is fair compensation, honesty and just rewards. I find it interesting that you chide people for feeling like they're "falling short" when you ought to be asking why Randy realized profits far in excess of any actual work he did beyond faux interviewing. That doesn't seem to fit with your ideas about "getting what you put into it."

Jessica,

I don't doubt that your efforts hoofing it for SF Marketing/Randy Bernard taught you valuable sales/people skills. The ability to hold on month after month grueling month for just under two years is itself proof of considerable determination and follow through on your part. As we all know, hardly anybody made it THAT long.

But I disagree with the point you think you're making when you write, "You get out what you put in. Period." Yes, there is much to be said for working hard at the tasks we set ourselves. In a very general way, we often do get from life just what we put into it; hard work is the cornerstone of success. But there are exceptions, and working for SF Marketing/Arsene-Lee was one of them.

Randy ran a fraudulent operation. His business model was based on a deliberate effort to mislead and manipulate his employees. If you have any doubt about this, please review almost any of the above posts, or, better yet, reconsider your own memories. My concern isn't with those who dropped out after a day or week, with those who didn't try, but with the many others who stuck around, applied themselves and -- and you yourself testify -- worked their a**es off for a crook. Hard work is important, but so too is fair compensation, honesty and just rewards. I find it interesting that you chide people for feeling like they're "falling short" when you ought to be asking why Randy realized profits far in excess of any actual work he did beyond faux interviewing. That doesn't seem to fit with your ideas about "getting what you put into it."

I found this thread very interesting. I am not a former employee of the above, but rather the new East Coast operation Randy has on the East Coast. We heard many success stories of the "hundreds of office he ran" with "thousands of employees," but never knew it was because the offices went under and the employees quit. That's pretty funny, actually. Reading the above report sounded all too eerily familiar. His new company is Company X (companyxmusic.com) or Illumina Records (illuminarecords.com). They work nationally, promosing artists music promotion but doing little to nothing with the huge fee they charge. Keep an eye out for the report I'll write on it.

Randy closed his office when he lost all his crew.

Yes, he is living well. But not because of money he made from his office. He was broke and left owing money to his promoting manager.

Cydcor has 2,000 reps but because of the high turnover rate they have to hire 20,000 reps every year. Every year 200 offices are opened. And 200 offices are closed.

San Francisco Marketing (or as you know it, Arsene-Lee) went under over a year ago. The owner is back on the East Coast and living VERY well, thanks to this so-called "scam".

I actually spent over a year and a half in this business, and even moved to help open an office in another state. The "opportunity" wasn't for me but the sales and people skills that I acquired are worth all the miles on my car and every penny I spent out of pocket.

You get out what you put in. Period. If you feel like you're falling short, that's no one's fault but yours. I worked my a** off and sacrificed a lot, and in the end I found the job of my dreams (and an amazing boyfriend, who I met in that other office).

If I sound like I'm up on my high horse, that's fine - I earned that right with every door I hit in the field. For those of you who quit on your third day or never even made it past your day of O, calm down. You got out EXACTLY what you put in.

I think I know who you guys are too...I was there the end of 2002, just for a few weeks when I realized what was really going on. I would also be interested in staging a protest@

I worked in the office at the same time as you did, and I KNOW exactly who you are. I was pretty new at the time, but FYI, when you left, they told us this big ol story about why you left and how you were a quitter; now that I think about it, it was totally made up and such a BS. Sorry you had to go through all that. It stinks! Did they ever pay you everything they owed you!?