John Beck Mentoring Institute Trick my husband and me out of $8,000 Provo Utah

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*UPDATE Rip-off Report Investigation: John Alexander Pledges To Resolve Complaints. - commitment to 100% customer satisfaction - Consumers can feel confident & secure when doing business with Jeff Paul.

WOOO h*o!

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Glad to see that the amount of reports regarding the John Beck scam have finally slowed down.

It's not due to John Beck's Programs being legitimate and have finally started to produce "success stories" as they so fraudulently claim, but rather would be victims finally realizing, that "mentoring" program are nothing but scams being peddled by a bunch of goons.

No "gurus" out there that's willing and or able to share his or her strategy with total strangers, especially if claimed income potential far exceeds the amount of said program.

The fraudulent John Beck "mentoring" program is a prime example of a program that's without a doubt, profiting from nothing else but the sales of their bogus scam for a progam.

Donkey Lapre, Tom Vu (asian monkey and perhaps the ugliest b*****d to ever live), Bean Raviolli (femme puppet), Carlton "Sheet" for brains and all the other genetically imbreded goons profiting huge by selling "programs", are all nothing but f%ck!ng con artists.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. F%ck you Mike Evans you goon! You still owe me big time! $9.8 million you f%ck!ng imbreed! Call me, I have a christmas gift for you and would like to give it to you personally.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

By now you are all aware, that John Becks Free and Clear Program, Amazing Profits, Mentoring Of America, Mentoring Institute, or whatever else these band of incestuous leeches are referring to themselves as are all scams.

Just in case you haven't been following this thread, read the following to get an idea of the many prevelant "mentoring" scams and always keep in mind, that there are no such thing as legitimate "mentoring" programs.

If there was ever a legitimate means to accumulate the kind of wealth, that these genetic imbreeds so fraudulently claim, there's no way in hell they'd be interested in marketing it to total strangers.

"Gurus" accumulate their wealth by peddling these fraudulent "mentoring" programs.

SOME GENERAL MATH PROOF AS TO WHY LEGITIMATE MENTORING PROGRAMS WOULD NEVER EXIST.

1. Exagerated profits, that's so often fraudulently claimed x what the "mentoring" company stands to gain by coaching complete strangers to use the same strategies = nothing to gain for fraudulent "mentoring" company except enormous profits from the sale of their scam.

FOR EXAMPLE: $6,400.00 which is the amount that incest boy Mike Evans trapped me into, and also which just happend to coincide with the "available credit" on my credit card x $10,000,00-$15,000.00 which were to be my projected income profit expectation x what the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute actually rendered = SCAM!

Not just an opinion! Flat out scam!

NEVER, EVER agree to enroll into any NON accredited "mentoring" program of any sort before thoroughly researching it.

Also, NEVER be fooled into believing, that a business is legit, because of a BBB membership (paid for), merchant account(paid for), or any other bu--sh-- often used to give consumers the false impression, that a business is legit, when all of these services mean or prove absolutely nothing about a particular business.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Robert along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Congratulations robert on your successful dispute. You are correct in stating, that the fraudulent John Beck mentoring Institute just gave in, but there's a lot more to it than just that, and I will explain it so all don't fall for the so called "mentoring" scam.

ROBERT: Hi Everyone:

This rebuttal is in reference to my posting about Jeff Paul (aka Mentoring of America, John Beck, etc.) http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff114043.htm

Today I called my Master Card company and... (cue music)... The company never disputed the chargeback and let the 45 days expire. So, in oder words I got my money back!

REID: The company had not disputed the chargeback in my case as well, because as I've said many times before, they have absolutely nothing that binded me, or any one else to pay.

Their contract is a big joke and may have very well been drafted by a kindergardener. It lacks any specific terms and conditions of the contract, policies and procedures, any valuable consideration, and many other items, which make up a legal and binding document.

Well, I guess their contract is perfectly suited for their scam. LOL.

John Beck Free and Clear, Amazing Profits, Mentoring Institute or Mentoring in general, are all scams. Nothing but a bunch of genetically imbreded scum bags selling pots of gold, while delivering sacks full of their mamas $h!t.

ROBERT: By the way, the same thing happened with my American Express (I had split the original $8,500 charge in two credit cards). I also got a refund on that card.

REID: Two for two! Wow! This outta tell you something! LOL. This scam company even failed to respond to an inquiry sent to them by the California Attorney General on my behalf.

ROBERT: Why did this happen???

Here are my theories:

1) I initiated the chargeback within 2 days of the charges being posted to my account.

2) I never got any products delivered to my house.

3) I took a multi-front attack strategy. I wrote complaints to the BBB (California, NY and UTAH), The Attorney General's office, and a local TV station that has a "Troubleshooter" reporter made a few calls to the company.

4) I also contacted a company called Consumer Exchange (www.cx.org) and had Carl Shoolman (a really nice and concerned lawyer) write a couple of letters on my behalf (for $43 dollars!)

In other words I fought like a rabid dog...

Did all of this help?

I don't know, but my money is back in my accounts.

Maybe the company just got tired of having to deal with me and decided to "let this small fish go" and look for other prey.

Anyway, I just hope that this nightmare is behind me.

REID: Don't worry Robert, the nightmare is behind you. The scam however, will still remain. As a matter of fact, I just seen the infomercial the other day, only it had been aired in the daytime.

Looks like this fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute is attempting to target an entirely different audience now.

Be sure to keep copies of all the documents, which enabled you to win a favorable decision. There's no telling what this brazen fraudulent company will attempt to do in the future.

ROBERT: I wish you all the best of luck.
Keep fighting and don't ever quit.

REID: Once again Robert, congratulations on your successful dispute!

Until next time, take care Robert along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Hey Mike Evans! Happy Holidays incest boy!

Hey there Robert along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Congratulations robert on your successful dispute. You are correct in stating, that the fraudulent John Beck mentoring Institute just gave in, but there's a lot more to it than just that, and I will explain it so all don't fall for the so called "mentoring" scam.

ROBERT: Hi Everyone:

This rebuttal is in reference to my posting about Jeff Paul (aka Mentoring of America, John Beck, etc.) http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff114043.htm

Today I called my Master Card company and... (cue music)... The company never disputed the chargeback and let the 45 days expire. So, in oder words I got my money back!

REID: The company had not disputed the chargeback in my case as well, because as I've said many times before, they have absolutely nothing that binded me, or any one else to pay.

Their contract is a big joke and may have very well been drafted by a kindergardener. It lacks any specific terms and conditions of the contract, policies and procedures, any valuable consideration, and many other items, which make up a legal and binding document.

Well, I guess their contract is perfectly suited for their scam. LOL.

John Beck Free and Clear, Amazing Profits, Mentoring Institute or Mentoring in general, are all scams. Nothing but a bunch of genetically imbreded scum bags selling pots of gold, while delivering sacks full of their mamas $h!t.

ROBERT: By the way, the same thing happened with my American Express (I had split the original $8,500 charge in two credit cards). I also got a refund on that card.

REID: Two for two! Wow! This outta tell you something! LOL. This scam company even failed to respond to an inquiry sent to them by the California Attorney General on my behalf.

ROBERT: Why did this happen???

Here are my theories:

1) I initiated the chargeback within 2 days of the charges being posted to my account.

2) I never got any products delivered to my house.

3) I took a multi-front attack strategy. I wrote complaints to the BBB (California, NY and UTAH), The Attorney General's office, and a local TV station that has a "Troubleshooter" reporter made a few calls to the company.

4) I also contacted a company called Consumer Exchange (www.cx.org) and had Carl Shoolman (a really nice and concerned lawyer) write a couple of letters on my behalf (for $43 dollars!)

In other words I fought like a rabid dog...

Did all of this help?

I don't know, but my money is back in my accounts.

Maybe the company just got tired of having to deal with me and decided to "let this small fish go" and look for other prey.

Anyway, I just hope that this nightmare is behind me.

REID: Don't worry Robert, the nightmare is behind you. The scam however, will still remain. As a matter of fact, I just seen the infomercial the other day, only it had been aired in the daytime.

Looks like this fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute is attempting to target an entirely different audience now.

Be sure to keep copies of all the documents, which enabled you to win a favorable decision. There's no telling what this brazen fraudulent company will attempt to do in the future.

ROBERT: I wish you all the best of luck.
Keep fighting and don't ever quit.

REID: Once again Robert, congratulations on your successful dispute!

Until next time, take care Robert along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Hey Mike Evans! Happy Holidays incest boy!

Hi Everyone:

This rebuttal is in reference to my posting about Jeff Paul (aka Mentoring of America, John Beck, etc.) http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff114043.htm

Today I called my Master Card company and... (cue music)... The company never disputed the chargeback and let the 45 days expire. So, in oder words I got my money back!

By the way, the same thing happened with my American Express (I had split the original $8,500 charge in two credit cards). I also got a refund on that card.

Why did this happen???

Here are my theories:

1) I initiated the chargeback within 2 days of the charges being posted to my account.

2) I never got any products delivered to my house.

3) I took a multi-front attack strategy. I wrote complaints to the BBB (California, NY and UTAH), The Attorney General's office, and a local TV station that has a "Troubleshooter" reporter made a few calls to the company.

4) I also contacted a company called Consumer Exchange (www.cx.org) and had Carl Shoolman (a really nice and concerned lawyer) write a couple of letters on my behalf (for $43 dollars!)

In other words I fought like a rabid dog...

Did all of this help?

I don't know, but my money is back in my accounts.

Maybe the company just got tired of having to deal with me and decided to "let this small fish go" and look for other prey.

Anyway, I just hope that this nightmare is behind me.

I wish you all the best of luck.
Keep fighting and don't ever quit.

Hi Everyone:

This rebuttal is in reference to my posting about Jeff Paul (aka Mentoring of America, John Beck, etc.) http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff114043.htm

Today I called my Master Card company and... (cue music)... The company never disputed the chargeback and let the 45 days expire. So, in oder words I got my money back!

By the way, the same thing happened with my American Express (I had split the original $8,500 charge in two credit cards). I also got a refund on that card.

Why did this happen???

Here are my theories:

1) I initiated the chargeback within 2 days of the charges being posted to my account.

2) I never got any products delivered to my house.

3) I took a multi-front attack strategy. I wrote complaints to the BBB (California, NY and UTAH), The Attorney General's office, and a local TV station that has a "Troubleshooter" reporter made a few calls to the company.

4) I also contacted a company called Consumer Exchange (www.cx.org) and had Carl Shoolman (a really nice and concerned lawyer) write a couple of letters on my behalf (for $43 dollars!)

In other words I fought like a rabid dog...

Did all of this help?

I don't know, but my money is back in my accounts.

Maybe the company just got tired of having to deal with me and decided to "let this small fish go" and look for other prey.

Anyway, I just hope that this nightmare is behind me.

I wish you all the best of luck.
Keep fighting and don't ever quit.

Hi Everyone:

This rebuttal is in reference to my posting about Jeff Paul (aka Mentoring of America, John Beck, etc.) http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff114043.htm

Today I called my Master Card company and... (cue music)... The company never disputed the chargeback and let the 45 days expire. So, in oder words I got my money back!

By the way, the same thing happened with my American Express (I had split the original $8,500 charge in two credit cards). I also got a refund on that card.

Why did this happen???

Here are my theories:

1) I initiated the chargeback within 2 days of the charges being posted to my account.

2) I never got any products delivered to my house.

3) I took a multi-front attack strategy. I wrote complaints to the BBB (California, NY and UTAH), The Attorney General's office, and a local TV station that has a "Troubleshooter" reporter made a few calls to the company.

4) I also contacted a company called Consumer Exchange (www.cx.org) and had Carl Shoolman (a really nice and concerned lawyer) write a couple of letters on my behalf (for $43 dollars!)

In other words I fought like a rabid dog...

Did all of this help?

I don't know, but my money is back in my accounts.

Maybe the company just got tired of having to deal with me and decided to "let this small fish go" and look for other prey.

Anyway, I just hope that this nightmare is behind me.

I wish you all the best of luck.
Keep fighting and don't ever quit.

Hi Everyone:

This rebuttal is in reference to my posting about Jeff Paul (aka Mentoring of America, John Beck, etc.) http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff114043.htm

Today I called my Master Card company and... (cue music)... The company never disputed the chargeback and let the 45 days expire. So, in oder words I got my money back!

By the way, the same thing happened with my American Express (I had split the original $8,500 charge in two credit cards). I also got a refund on that card.

Why did this happen???

Here are my theories:

1) I initiated the chargeback within 2 days of the charges being posted to my account.

2) I never got any products delivered to my house.

3) I took a multi-front attack strategy. I wrote complaints to the BBB (California, NY and UTAH), The Attorney General's office, and a local TV station that has a "Troubleshooter" reporter made a few calls to the company.

4) I also contacted a company called Consumer Exchange (www.cx.org) and had Carl Shoolman (a really nice and concerned lawyer) write a couple of letters on my behalf (for $43 dollars!)

In other words I fought like a rabid dog...

Did all of this help?

I don't know, but my money is back in my accounts.

Maybe the company just got tired of having to deal with me and decided to "let this small fish go" and look for other prey.

Anyway, I just hope that this nightmare is behind me.

I wish you all the best of luck.
Keep fighting and don't ever quit.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

I was channel surfing the other day and happened to discover, that the decrepid "attorney" John Beck is still peddling his fraudulent Free and Clear Program.

The Free and Clear scam is now being promoted during the daytime. What the hell is this world coming to? LOL. SCAM!

There are no legitimate "mentoring" programs.

Any and all businesses/"gurus", that truly had the no how to make the kinds of profits they so fraudulently claim, would without a doubt NOT be interested in "mentoring" total strangers to use their strategies. LMAO.

For example: Mike Evans (incest boy) claimed that the fraudulent John Beck "mentoring" program would yield me $10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month.

If this were true, it would make a whole lot more sense for the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute to ship a few of their imbreeds out to each state, where their fraudulent progam are being shoveled, to work the programs themselves.

The amount of complaints regarding the Free and Clear scam seemed to have slowed down and it can only mean one thing, the amount of people falling for the scam must have also slowed down.

As Jeff Spicolli once said, "AWESOME"! "TOTALLY AWESOME"!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: The John Beck Free and Clear Program, Amazing Profits, Mentoring Institute or whatever names these products of incest have decided to use at the present time are all scams.

LETTER I'VE RECEIVED FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

State of California
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

December 1, 2004

Mr. Reid___________
___________________
___________________

RE: John Beck

Dear Mr.___________________:

This letter is to inform you that we have been unable to elicit any response from the company which you named in your consumer complaint. We had hoped that by writing to them and sending them your complaint that an agreeable solution to your problem could be achieved. This often occurs without the necessity of further action.

The Attorney General is prohibited by law from representing individual citizens in legal matters. As a result, we must end our direct involvement in your case. However, we will keep your complaint on file because it could be reactivated if our office takes legal action on behalf of the people of California against this company at some future date.

If you wish to pursue your compaint further, we suggest that you contact a private attorney. You may contact an attorney through the lawyer referral service of your local bar association. If you cannot afford a provate attorney, the Legal Aid Society or Neighborhood Legal Assistance office in your vicinity may be able to help you.

You may also have the option of bringing an action in small claims court, in matters involving less than $5,000. In this type of action, no attorneys are allowed for either side. Each party merely explains their postition to the court, bringing such witnesses or documents which they feel are necessary to support their position. Additional information about this procedure may be obtained from the small claims court in your vicinity.

We regret that we cannot be of more assistance to you in this matter. If there is any way in which we can provide direct assistance to you in the future, please do not hesitate to contact us again.

Sincerely,
___________________
___________________
Public Inquiry Unit

For ___________________
Attorney General

Any and all names have been obmitted to protect the innocent.

John "Decrepid" Beck, Carlton "Full of Sheet", Tom "Asian Monkey" Vu, "Donkey" Lapre, the two "demented" dwarfs are all a bunch of f%ck!ng con artists making money by ripping people off.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute is a bunch of thieves.

Why am I not surprised to have received a letter from the Attorney Generals office, explaining, that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute have failed once again to respond to general inquiries?

Until next time take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. I must apologize to all the monkeys that I may have offended, by comparing them to the ugly b*****d.

Hey there Cody along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Receiving an unsatisfactory rating from the BBB is undeniable proof, that the John Beck Mentoring Institute is a scam.

The BBB has a long history of not making complaints regarding a business, regardless of the quantity, public. The BBB is a fraudulent organization.

1. Charges businesses membership dues, in exchange to decieve the public, in that a particular business is legitimate and or reputable.

2. Does not make complaints and reports regarding businesses, regardless of the quantity and nature, public for all consumers to view. The BBB in a sense, hides reports from the public eye. Who could blame them? After all, they're being PAID OFF.

How many complaints does the BBB expect to receive on a business, before the BBB issues the business an unsatisfactory rating? 300? 600? 1000? Unsatisfatory? Nah, you f%ck!ng think? LOL.

3. The BBB has a tendency to piggy back real consumer agencies, such as the FTC, Attorney General, Consumer Protection, etc, etc.

Everytime there's an investigation on a particular business, the BBB gets involved and then, and only then, wants to share what should've already been public information.

4. The BBB, along with what little information and services they provide to consumers are useless and don't mean a d**n thing.

Businesses that are members of the BBB, pay membership dues to this very organization, which gives consumers the impression, that their organization has the consumers best interest at hand.

I thought, that it was d**n near impossible for any company, that had been PAYING their BBB "membership dues", to get an unsatisfactory rating. LOL.

John Beck, along with the many other con artists claiming to offer "mentoring", are nothing but a bunch of genetic imbreeds, regardless of what kind of "rating" they receive from the PAID organization.

These "guru" bastards make their millions by peddling garbage, as opposed to whatever they claim to have made their millions doing.

The next time you attend a seminar (scam convention), you only need ask two simple questions to determine, whether or not the business is legitimate and or reputable.

1. Does this seminar have a question and answer period?

Ask this question by raise of hand.

Any and all legitimate businesses, that had nothing to hide, would definitely not find such a question offensive or threatening.

2. What kind of guarantee does your program come with?

This question should be brought up during the question and answer period and in front of the entire audience. A microphone questions and answer period is definitely ideal.

The director of a fraudulent business, would most likely respond with something off the wall like "there's no such thing as income guarantees".

Your only response should be, "I'm not interested in any income guarantees, I just want to be absolutely sure, that I receive exactly what has been agreed upon, and in the event I don't, that I'm not bound by a hidden clause in your contract".

Until next time, take care Cody along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

The Utah BBB rate these companies as unsatisfactory and also notes they have the same directors as the "Mentoring Institute, Inc." based in California. Where they are also rated as unsatisfactory and show they are based in Utah. So in essence each state is saying they are based in the other because of the way they are incorporated. I also love the fact that the Principal for the company is "Ms Kasi Minter, Customer Service". Nothing says quality like incorporating under a company under your Customer Service employee.

Here are some of the names they work under according to Utah & California BBB:


Commodity & Options Mentor Institute
Money Mastery
T M I
The Mentoring Institute
Trading Your Way to Riches
Free and Clear Real Estate
Jim Rosen Coaching
John Becks
John Beck Free and Clear Program
John Beck's Free & Clear Real Estate System
Mentoring Institute
Mentoring of America, LLC
Provo Mentoring Group
Cedar Mentoring Group
Draper Mentoring Group
St George Mentoring Group
Nevada Mentoring Group
Family Products LLC
Family Fulfillment
Mentoring Institute

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JASON: Reid- Thanks for the advice. However if I wnted to know how to be a worthless bum, I would listen to you.

REID: You must have already listened to someone with much greater knowlege in the area of "bumology", because you seem like a worthless piece of $h!t to me.

JASON: When I want to know how to make money in real estate I listen to John Beck.

REID: Oh, you mean to tell me, that they've failed to make you one of their success stories also?

OOOH, that's why you've resorted to scamming people instead!

JASON: I have met him seven times. He has come to our office, talked with clients and congratulated us on the job we do.

REID: Do you have proof of this? If so, where are they? Call me unobservant, but John Beck's fraudulent infomercial seems very outdated.

With a 92% success rate, one would think, that John Beck would've had a few more "success stories" by now. LMAO at Jason the retard.

JASON: and in response to your accusations. I hear them avery day.

REID: I'm sure you do retard! So what does your scam company do about them? Nothing! Do you blame them? Of course not!

For a scam business to come forward and acknowledge complaints would be detrimental.

JASON: Who says i don't make money in real estate? You?

REID: Yep! Do you see any one else's name on this posting retard?

JASON: Do you drive a Mercedes? I do.

REID: Did I mention, that Michael Jackson had recently purchased a home next to my home opposite of Beyonce's?

JASON: Are you financially independent? I am.

REID: No you're not! You're a retard!

JASON: Yes Joh beck is an attorney. If the business we run were fraudulent or illegal would we still be in business?

REID: Envelope stuffing anyone? Ponzi scheme anyone? Nigerian scam anyone? Oh wait, I'm sorry they do not exist, because they're all illegal. LOL. F%ck!ng retard!

JASON: I know that you aren't real bright, it is painfullly obvious in your responses.

REID: YEEEAH, coming from incest boy himself, I take this as a compliment.

JASON: But think about it. we have been in business for more than twelve years, we get numerous complaints from people just like the ones on this board, they come through teh BBB, the Utah attorney general, the FTC and the US attorney general. Pull your head out. If this were illegal, we would be out of business, and likely in jail.

REID: Jason you are a retard. I know that you mean well, and are desparately trying your best to win brownie points with upper management, but you are a retard.

Please re read you entire rebuttal. you claim that "we get numerous complaints from people just like the ones on this board" as if you're proud of it. You have in a subtle way admitted, that what you're peddling is a scam.

Of course your fraudulent company has many complaints against them! Your fraudulent company has thirty seven reports on this website alone, all of which have not been acknowledged by grand king scam, or anyone in upper management.

JASON: Yes the moderator of this board does have my contact info. I will take any calls they choose to make.

REID: Hey tough guy. I'm really glad that the moderator of this board has your contact info. I only wish, that your supervisors would investigate, as to whom is posting such retarded excuses on their behalf.

You should be thankful, that I'm not your boss, for I would've fired your retarded a*s, and thrown you out on your retarded ear along time ago, for posting such ridiculous and unsubstantiated facts.

JASON: Reid you are not the first person to feel like they were taken advantage of, you'll not be the last.

REID: Yeah, but at least the amount of people that feel taken advantage of are beginning to slow down.

Hmmm, is that the reason for your rebuttals? LOL. Now I get it!

JASON: Here are a few stats for you to chew on:
we have 92% of the students we work with are successful.

REID: Not only are you a retard, you are a lying retard. With a 92% success rate, you would have absolutely no worries about what's been said about you or your company.

NO ONE NEEDS TO DEFEND A 92% success rate retard!

JASON: There have been just recently more than a few poeple that have made six figures in less than a months time.

REID: Jason, you are so dumb, that it's irritating. If you truly want to convince people and sell them on your scam, you may need to hire someone that possesses a slightly higher intelligence.

Rent a monkey or something!

JASON: John Beck has done more real estate deals than anyone else, Period!

REID: If he's so successful in Real Estate, why has he turned to "mentoring" instead? Nah, I don't believe you on this one.

JASON: Mike Evans makes more in a month than reid does all year.

REID: Are you finally admitting, that this program is a scam? I don't make that much money a year, so this retarded statement does not say much. Nah, I don't believe this statement either.

JASON: Reid will never be financially independent. He will always work for someone. And will die bitter, poor, and blaming everyone but himself for his lack of action.

REID: Jason is not financially independent nor will he ever be. Jason is a retarded "puppet". Jason will someday stiff the wrong person and will most likely die by multiple stab or gunshot wounds.

JASON: Really, everyone.
Financial freedom comes down to making choices. Choices to be positive, be free. We must take the action. I don't know if anyone will heed my advise or not. but i encourage all of you to do something about it. Or leave it alone.

REID: No one will "heed" your advice retard, because you give them no proof as to why they should. Advice is spelled with a "c" retard.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JASON: Reid- Thanks for the advice. However if I wnted to know how to be a worthless bum, I would listen to you.

REID: If anyone were interested in losing money on a scam, I'm sure they'd take your idiotic advice. Oh, and by the way, it's "wanted" retard.

JASON: When I want to know how to make money in real estate I listen to John Beck.

REID: SUUURE! You've forgotten Donkey Lapre and Carlton "full of Sheet".

JASON: I have met him seven times. He has come to our office, talked with clients and congratulated us on the job we do.

REID: I would've congratulated you folks also, had you been successful in promoting my scam. What's your point retard?

JASON: and in response to your accusations. I hear them avery day.

REID: I'm sure you do. Now let me ask you Jason, what does your company do about the many accusations, besides trying to mask them with excuses and attempting to sweep them under the rug? Oh, and by the way, it's "every" day retard.

JASON: Who says i don't make money in real estate? You?

REID: The fact, that you have so much free time to waste, defending what everyone already knows is a scam, clearly shows, that you don't make any money in Real Estate.

Everyone's aware, that if you were truly earning the kind of money you claim to be, it wouldn't be worth your while to be posting things on message boards.

Oh, and by the way, it's who "said" retard, and when you're referring to yourself, it's always a good idea to capitalize the "I".

JASON: Do you drive a Mercedes? I do.

REID: I drive two of them. I also drive a Ferrari, Lamborghini, and a Hummer. Pretty easy to post unsubstantiated claims isn't it? LMAO at you Jason.

JASON: Are you financially independent? I am.

REID: RIIIGHT! I am co-owner of the Playboy mansion. I'm also the proud owner of a beautiful home in the Hollywood hills, where Beyonce is my next door neighbor.

JASON: Yes Joh beck is an attorney. If the business we run were fraudulent or illegal would we still be in business?

REID: Gee, I wonder why the Nigerian scam still exists. Could it be, because there are many scams, that are presently amongst us? This is perhaps the most retarded statement I have ever read.

Oh, and by the way, it's "John Beck" retard.

JASON: I know that you aren't real bright, it is painfullly obvious in your responses.

REID: Hmmm, let's see, I am a graduate of not one, but two Bartending schools, have attended the finest Culinary arts program in my state, have graduated from one of the top Broadcasting schools in the nation, posses a Mortgage License, and also completed a six week crash course in Real Estate.

You on the other hand, must resort to stealing the hard earned money of innocent people. You can't possibly have graduated from high school.

Judging by your spelling or lack thereof, and very poor grammer, it's very safe to assume, that you wouldn't even have stood a chance in my intermediate school's special education progam.

Before you go around questioning the "brightness" of others, ask yourself these questions.

1. Does one even need a high school diploma to do what you're doing?

2. Would you approach a total stranger on a public sidewalk, and attempt to sell them what you're peddling over the telephone?

OF COURSE NOT! That's why you weeds hide out in boiler rooms and take comfort in selling your garbage over the phone.

Knowing what I now know about this "mentoring" scam, had anyone ever approached me in person, and tried to sell me on this nonsence, he or she may possibly walk away with a few extra holes in their body.

Oh, and by the way, "painfully" has only two l's retard.

JASON: But think about it. we have been in business for more than twelve years, we get numerous complaints from people just like the ones on this board, they come through teh BBB, the Utah attorney general, the FTC and the US attorney general. Pull your head out. If this were illegal, we would be out of business, and likely in jail.

REID: LOL. Jason, you my friend, have absolutely no right to question anyone's brightness. Envelope stuffing? Nigerian scam? Chain letters? Pyramid schemes? Who's in charge of governing businesses, and protecting consumers from the many scams out there?

It's you, that needs to pull your head out.

JASON: Yes the moderator of this board does have my contact info. I will take any calls they choose to make. Reid you are not the first person to feel like they were taken advantage of, you'll not be the last.

REID: This statement is correct. I'm aware, that I wont be the last, but will continue to warn the public about this scam. I apologize for making your job more difficult, thus making it necessary for you to have to post retarded rebuttals, which prove absolutely nothing, that I've stated false or to the contrary.

JASON: Here are a few stats for you to chew on:
we have 92% of the students we work with are successful.

REID: REALLY! That's funny, "result of incest" Mike Evan's, quoted me a 94% success rate. Either this is a complete lie, or your fraudulent company does not have their facts straight.

I'll assume, that your fraudulent company does not have their facts straight, just as they do not have their program straight.

If you want to quote statistics, make absolute sure, that everyone from you company's on the same page, otherwise, everyone will be under the impression, that your stats are exagerated, fabricated, or flat out erroneous. LOL.

It also makes your company look bad. LOL.

Oh and by the way, please re read your statement.

JASON: we have 92% of the students we work with are successful.

REID: This statement makes no sense. You are truly, without a doubt, a retard.

JASON: There have been just recently more than a few poeple that have made six figures in less than a months time.

REID: Here we go again, posting more unsubstantiated claims.

Oh, and by the way, it should be "has" recently been, comma, retard.

JASON: John Beck has done more real estate deals than anyone else, Period!

REID: Yeah, he probably also made more money selling his bogus program, than anyone else, Period!

JASON: Mike Evans makes more in a month than reid does all year.

REID: LMAO. What are we, in the third grade? Oh yeah, my a$$hole is cleaner than Mike Evan's a$$hole! LOL.

JASON: Reid will never be financially independent. He will always work for someone. And will die bitter, poor, and blaming everyone but himself for his lack of action.

REID: Jason is not financially independant nor will he ever be. Jason is just a "puppet", that will probably never be able to safely walk down the streets of his hometown, without having to constantly look over his shoulder.

If Jason is in deed, or ever became financially independent, it's because he's a con artist and no other reason. The company in which he works, along with the program he's selling are without a doubt scams.

Oh, and by the way, it's not proper to start a sentence with "And" retard.

JASON: Really, everyone.
Financial freedom comes down to making choices. Choices to be positive, be free. We must take the action. I don't know if anyone will heed my advise or not. but i encourage all of you to do something about it. Or leave it alone.

REID: Why are you so interested in everyone else's success? LOL. No ones going to "heed" your advice, because you give them no reason to.
Your rebuttal is retarded. Does it hurt to be that stupid?

Begging for business are we? The fraudulent infomercial not enough? Not able to send out enough invites for your scam? Are we getting desperate for business? LOL. Why the adamant need to convince?

Is it because you're a nice guy? Why are you so interested in sticking up for Mike Evans? Is he your "special friend"? LOL. Is he that helpless, that he can't come forward to defend himself?

How can you expect everyone to believe, that he's successful, when he obviously does not even possess a spine? If your program is so great, why don't YOU do something about it, or leave it alone?

Jason, you are obviously a good talker and it wouldn't surprise me, if you were the top salesperson in your company.

Keep in mind however, that it's never a good idea to sell people garbage, in which you yourself, are unable to prove, you've taken part of.

There have been many killed over things much smaller in nature. Don't think for a second, that everyone you've scammed, will not want to hunt you down... and possibly gun you down. In the eyes of many, you are a worthless piece of $h!t, who have stolen their money.

Think about it, the more people that you scam, the better your chances and the closer you come to facing this ultimate dreaded fate. It's just a numbers game my friend.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

TO THE JOHN BECK MENTORING INSTITUTE: If you absolutely must use shills to post rebuttals on your behalf, you should at very least consider someone who has an intermediate school education.

Duh, gee Tennessee!!

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Tracy has brought up some very good questions, but as you all know by now, her many good questions will go unaddressed and unanswered. Either that, or some bone head will come forward and attempt to mask them with nothing but excuses.

That's why I've taken it upon myself to address each and every question and answer them accordingly.

QUESTION: 1. Why do the mentoring session amounts differ so much from person to person? For example, my 10 sessions were $3,300, Reid's $6,700, Wilma $10,100, etc?

ANSWER: Because the program is a SCAM. Telephone "mentoring" does not exist. Telephone "mentoring" is just a scam, comparable to that of envelope stuffing, which sounds good in theory, thus persuades many to believe, that he or she may very possibly learn "secrets" to wealth.

Trust me folks, if shill Lee, or any other of the degenerates, that peddle fraudulent "mentoring" were as successful as they claim, they would have nothing to gain by sharing the knowledge to complete strangers.

The fact that the amount of John Beck's fraudlent "mentoring" program varies tremendously from person to person, is an absolute sure indication, that his paid "story tellers" and defacation "peddlers" are only interested in ones "available credit and nothing else.

QUESTION: 2. Why do the amounts coincide with how much available credit we have?

ANSWER: Because the program is a SCAM. Stay "Free and Clear" from John Beck's fraudulent programs, for the only "Amazing Profits" came from the many victims of this scam, that went straight into the bank accounts of these crooks.

QUESTION: 3. Why did the first mentor stop calling for our appointed meetings? Why was I not notified? Why would no one respond when I tried to find out what happened to him?

ANSWER: Because the program is a SCAM. It's all about giving the "mentoree" the run around just long enough for his or her "right to cancel" expires. If you'll notice we all experienced the run around?

QUESTION: 4. Why did the manager John Cluff offer an additional 10 sessions with a new mentor due to my dissatisfaction with the first mentoring experiencing and then the new mentor didn't call for our appointed sessions?

ANSWER: Because the program is a SCAM. Once again many of us experienced the exact same "technical difficulties". Pr!ck b*****d Mike Evans also offered to assign me a different coach.

QUESTION: 5. Why did no one respond to my numerous EMails and voice mails until I asked for my money back?

ANSWER: Because the program is a SCAM. Just part of the run around. $h!t for brains Mike Evans dodged me as well.

QUESTION: 6. Why did they sign us up after we explained that we had no capital to invest nor did we have any equity in our house? Why did they tell us we wouldn't need any of our own money?

ANSWER: Because the program is a SCAM. Just one t of their many fraudulent sales pitches. OPM?

QUESTION: 7. Why were we told that we could purchase properties for "pennies on the dollar" when Oregon and Washington do not auction nor sell Real Estate for back taxes owed? Property is sold at or near market value. This is also the case for foreclosed properties.

ANSWER: Because the program is a SCAM. Real estate investing encompasses far too many laws to be packaged up and sold legitimately, as "money making" information.

The laws differ tremendously from state to state, which would make it virtually impossible to market a legitimate Real Estate "mentoring" program.

QUESTION: 8. Why do the mentors read from a script?

ANSWER: Because the program is a SCAM. This fact alone, is a dead giveaway, that "mentoring" programs are fraudulent.

QUESTION: 9. Why do the mentors report that after they hang up the phone they "laugh their asses off" about how they got another sucker?

ANSWER: Because the program is a SCAM. "Story tellers", that peddle scams all posses the same "angry at the world" mentality, and thus makes them feel a false sense of accomplishment when they're able to congregate together and separate hard working people from their hard earned money.

Mentoring scams are often peddled by degenerates, drug attics, former drug attics, imbreeds, etc, etc, through large and fraudulent boiler room operations.

They've more than likely been $h!ted on their entire lives, so one can understand their hostility and need to laugh at their victims.

QUESTION: 10. Why does the mentoring institution keep changing its name and is so difficult to locate?

ANSWER: Because the program is a SCAM. I would such a fraudulent entity would attempt to set up operations out here in Hawaii, where we would be more than happy to welcome them to paradise.

I would hate to imagine what would happen to one of these genetic imbreeds had they ever attempted to steal a couple of thousands from one of our angry Islanders.

QUESTION: 11. And finally, why are you out here looking at the rip-off report if you are working for this "legitimate" company?

ANSWER: Because the program is a SCAM. Successful people have zero time and nothing to gain by "mentoring" others to do the same. Anyone that submits favorable rebuttals for their company while providing zero proof, are just trying to "convice" people that "mentoring" exists.

TRACY: Thank you for you time....

REID: NO, NO, NO, THANK YOU TRACY, for staying on top of this and coming up with some very good questions. I really enjoyed answering them and I hope you'll submit more in the future. You "set em up" and I'll "knock em down".

Until next time, take care Tracy along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Tracy:
I had to compliment you on the list of questions you compiled. You have articulated the concerns of us consumers very well. I see none of the shills have responded yet most likely because it will take some time to conjure up the lies they use as "answers." They know they're wrong and I will not simply give up this fight as they would like us all to do. The John Beck Mentoring Institute is a nothing more than a fairy tale as Reid said. It seems that Utah (namely Provo and Salt Lake)is America's heartland of fraud. There are several other businesses out of Utah (i.e. Mormonism/The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) that are fraudulent. I know because I've tried them.

Where did a mentor say that he/she "laughed their a*s off" after they hung up the phone?

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

LEE: This is going to be my last response on this issue.

REID: BYE!

LEE: Reid, you may feel you were taken advantage of and that is fine. I don't care. The point is that it is time to let it go.

REID: No Lee, I'm not going to just let it go, although I'm sure, that's what you'd love to see, along with the entire frauduelnt John Beck mentoring team.

LEE: It is real Reid. My mentors have made me oodles of money.

REID: Yeah right, and your life is so pathetic, that you spend much of your time, searching for complaints regarding your company, which you can't defend.

LEE: Don't say it isn't real just because it didn't work for you.

REID: Again, this retardo statement is just a lame excuse commonly used by shills, that can't prove a d**n thing to the contrary. Sorry Lee, If your company was truly legit, your so called "mentor" would've come forward on your behalf a long time ago with some PROOF!

LEE: I am not suggesting any of you do this. I am not trying to "convince" you to do it.

REID: No, but you are definitly trying to "convince" people, that this bull$hit "mentoring" is for real, when many people have come forward with proof as to why it isn't.

LEE: The fact is that you are an angry person and it is hurting you. It doesn't matter to me if you want to be angry.

REID: If it doesn't matter to you, than you should ignore my anger and go out and spend some of your new found wealth. This is the RIP OFF REPORT in case you didn't notice.

LEE: I was just trying to offer some simple suggestions. I offered you other places of learning for real estate. I try to help you and you call me a "turd brain".

REID: I did not call you a "turd brain". Go back to the rebuttal, in which I've mentioned "turd brain" and you will see, that I was referring to someone elses rebuttal.

LEE: Also, the Governor of Utah is a woman. Pretty easy information to obtain if you had only tried.

REID: I didn't try, because whether the governor of Utah is a man or a woman is irrelevant. If the governor of Utah is indeed a woman, maybe the citizens of Utah oughta consider electing a man the next time around.

LEE: This to me says that all you really care about is arguing. I do not have the time to go back and forth with you.

REID: Once again, BYE!

LEE: You are never going to accept responsibility for anything. You do have a serious case of VMS it sounds like. (This is a real thing. I am not making this up.) The simple fact that you say "it isn't my fault, it's NEVER my fault" goes to prove this. The key word is never. When you say "never" you infer that nothing is ever your fault. That it is someone else that is "always" responsible for your problems or actions.

REID: OOPs my bad, I used the wrong word. should NEVER say NEVER. "It isn't my fault, that I've encountered the so called "mentoring" scam" is what I should've said.

LEE: The fact that you received your money back does not prove anything. Go and read the book "What Every Credit Card User Needs to Know" and it will explain why the credit card company backed out. It is called a Good Faith Chargeback and that is all I am going to say about it.

REID: The fact that I received my money back proves, that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute was unwilling and TOTALLY unable to prove my dispute to the contrary.

My credit card company did not back out.

If what I received was truly a "Good Faith Chargeback", the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute sure took long enough to honor it.

They've also put up much resistence, by dragging the dispute on for so long, while they had absoluteluy nothing, for a company that wasn't trying to "EXTORT" money from me.

LEE: Reid I seriously wish you the best in REI. However, I am not going to continue to spend my time on this because you hold no value in what I have to say.

You say what I write is nonsense. I will not continue to spend my time on it. I have given you some great resources to further you in your education. I hope you take me up on those and study the sites. There is a ton of FREE information on them. Good Luck

REID: I said your rebuttals are nonsense, in that you are trying to defend the John Beck Mentoring Institute. In the process, you are implying, that the John Beck Mentoring Institute is "for real" when I have provided much information as to why it isn't.

Believe me, I am a very appreciative person and I appreciate the fact, that you've listed a few forums, however, in case you haven't noticed, this thread is about the John Beck scam.

You are truly without a doubt, wasting your time posting rebuttals, when you are not able to provide proof to back up your claims.

As for myself, I don't have to provide any proof, because the many unacknowledged and unresolved reports (and growing) against the fraudulent John Beck scam is proof enough and literally speaks for itself.

LEE: P.S. Here is some food for thought. When someone goes to college and spends thousands of dollars on it, it does not automatically get them a job or make them successful. That is something they have to work at.

REID: Thanks for the advice. Mike Evans already quoted something very similar to this, when conning me.

Lee, seriously, I appreciate your efforts and I will seriously consider the free forums which you have provided, but at a later time.

As for yourself, you are truly wasting your time posting rebuttals, which proves absolutely nothing, that many people have been squacking about false or to the contrary.

You have provided zero reasons, as to why people should believe anything you have to say, and in the process have made, and continue to make the John beck scam company look even worst than it has before.

If you aren't just trying to "sell" people on the "fairy tale", my greatest suggestion to you is to go out and enjoy your fortunes. People that post here have already been hurt enough, in case you've failed to notice.

Until next time, take care Lee, along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hi All,

I have a few questions for those of you who support or work for John Beck.

1. Why do the mentoring session amounts differ so much from person to person? For example, my 10 sessions were $3,300, Reid's $6,700, Wilma $10,100, etc?

2. Why do the amounts coincide with how much available credit we have?

3. Why did the first mentor stop calling for our appointed meetings? Why was I not notified? Why would no one respond when I tried to find out what happened to him?

4. Why did the manager John Cluff offer an additional 10 sessions with a new mentor due to my dissatisfaction with the first mentoring experiencing and then the new mentor didn't call for our appointed sessions?

5. Why did no one respond to my numerous EMails and voice mails until I asked for my money back?

6. Why did they sign us up after we explained that we had no capital to invest nor did we have any equity in our house? Why did they tell us we wouldn't need any of our own money?

7. Why were we told that we could purchase properties for "pennies on the dollar" when Oregon and Washington do not auction nor sell Real Estate for back taxes owed? Property is sold at or near market value. This is also the case for foreclosed properties.

8. Why do the mentors read from a script?

9. Why do the mentors report that after they hang up the phone they "laugh their asses off" about how they got another sucker?

10. Why does the mentoring institution keep changing its name and is so difficult to locate?

11. And finally, why are you out here looking at the rip-off report if you are working for this "legitimate" company?

Thank you for you time....

This is going to be my last response on this issue. Reid, you may feel you were taken advantage of and that is fine. I don't care. The point is that it is time to let it go. It is real Reid. My mentors have made me oodles of money. Don't say it isn't real just because it didn't work for you. I am not suggesting any of you do this. I am not trying to "convince" you to do it. The fact is that you are an angry person and it is hurting you. It doesn't matter to me if you want to be angry. I was just trying to offer some simple suggestions. I offered you other places of learning for real estate. I try to help you and you call me a "turd brain".

Also, the Governor of Utah is a woman. Pretty easy information to obtain if you had only tried. This to me says that all you really care about is arguing. I do not have the time to go back and forth with you. You are never going to accept responsibility for anything. You do have a serious case of VMS it sounds like. (This is a real thing. I am not making this up.) The simple fact that you say "it isn't my fault, it's NEVER my fault" goes to prove this. The key word is never. When you say "never" you infer that nothing is ever your fault. That it is someone else that is "always" responsible for your problems or actions. The fact that you received your money back does not prove anything. Go and read the book "What Every Credit Card User Needs to Know" and it will explain why the credit card company backed out. It is called a Good Faith Chargeback and that is all I am going to say about it.

Reid I seriously wish you the best in REI. However, I am not going to continue to spend my time on this because you hold no value in what I have to say. You say what I write is nonsense. I will not continue to spend my time on it. I have given you some great resources to further you in your education. I hope you take me up on those and study the sites. There is a ton of FREE information on them. Good Luck

P.S. Here is some food for thought. When someone goes to college and spends thousands of dollars on it, it does not automatically get them a job or make them successful. That is something they have to work at.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: Ignore any and all rebuttals, that suggest, that John Beck Mentoring Institute or Mentoring of America are legitimate businesses.

Ignore any and all rebuttals, that even hints, that John Beck Mentoring Institute or Mentoring of America are legitimate businesses.

Fact is if they were, a supervisor, manager, president, VP, etc, etc, from both these comapanies, would have came forward a long time ago to clarify and rectify all reports filed against them.

Mentoring of America? What's this? A university in Utah? LOL.

How the "mentoring" scam works:

John Beck's Free and Clear program is sold via fraudulent infomercial and is just an overpriced invite into yet another one of their fraudulent offers. Bogus "mentoring".

John Beck's bogus "mentoring" is just a trap, in which "story tellers" con their victims into surrendering their entire line of "available credit" into their "fairy tale" and non existant "mentoring" program.

Take notice, that John Beck's fraudulent "mentoring" seems to always be directly proportional to ones "available credit".

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute later uses their victim's tape recorded agreements to enroll against their victims, but never records their own deceptive, misleading and flat out fraudulent sales pitches.

The John Beck Mentoring Institute has attempted to implement a NON-CANCELLATION clause, which they will later attempt to use against their victims, to retain their victims money, even far after the victim realizes, that John Beck's program is a scam and decides to request a refund.

Don't fall for their 3 day right to cancel, as they will avoid your phone calls and give you the run around for the entire 3 days after you've enrolled. Don't believe me? Read each and every rip off report, regarding the John Beck scam and you will notice, that all of the victims experiences are strikingly similar.

Don't ever feel safe for using a credit card, no matter what the "story teller" on the other end says. Feeling confident, comfortable and secure using a charge card is exactly what the "story tellers" want.

Don't belive anything, that the "story tellers" claim. Always assume, that the vast majority of these "story tellers" sales pitches are fraudulent, because they are.

Remember, they only need their victims to believe long enough to cough up their credit card information.

Mentoring is a scam comparable to that of envelope stuffing and has quickly risen in popularity, because like envelope stuffing, sounds good in theory. Only sounds good in theory!

1. Lure and trap scheme.

2. Misleading, deceptive, and fraudulent information contained in infomercial.

3. Company records consumer's agreement to enroll, but does not find it necessary to record their fraudulent salespitches? Gee, I wonder why?

4. 3 day right to cancel is fraudulent. How many people have been able to capitalize on this policy?

5. Have absolutely nothing to defend their ridiculous scam in a simple credit card dispute, but aggressively seeks other means to obtain and retain victims money. F%ck that!

6. Does not feel it necessary to address and rectify complaints in the public eye, because they can't. It's a scam remember? LOL. Just watch the amount of victims grow on this website alone.

7. Sends shills to submit retardo rebuttals on their behalf, but hey, if they can't succeed in scamming people using their million dollar state of the art infomercial, they definitely won't succeed here, where burden of proof is a lot more necessary.

8. Located in Utah where "gurus" and fraudulent "mentoring" are enormously prevelent.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. F%ck you Mike Evans from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute!

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: Ignore any and all rebuttals, that suggest, that John Beck Mentoring Institute or Mentoring of America are legitimate businesses.

Ignore any and all rebuttals, that even hints, that John Beck Mentoring Institute or Mentoring of America are legitimate businesses.

Fact is if they were, a supervisor, manager, president, VP, etc, etc, from both these comapanies, would have came forward a long time ago to clarify and rectify all reports filed against them.

Mentoring of America? What's this? A university in Utah? LOL.

How the "mentoring" scam works:

John Beck's Free and Clear program is sold via fraudulent infomercial and is just an overpriced invite into yet another one of their fraudulent offers. Bogus "mentoring".

John Beck's bogus "mentoring" is just a trap, in which "story tellers" con their victims into surrendering their entire line of "available credit" into their "fairy tale" and non existant "mentoring" program.

Take notice, that John Beck's fraudulent "mentoring" seems to always be directly proportional to ones "available credit".

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute later uses their victim's tape recorded agreements to enroll against their victims, but never records their own deceptive, misleading and flat out fraudulent sales pitches.

The John Beck Mentoring Institute has attempted to implement a NON-CANCELLATION clause, which they will later attempt to use against their victims, to retain their victims money, even far after the victim realizes, that John Beck's program is a scam and decides to request a refund.

Don't fall for their 3 day right to cancel, as they will avoid your phone calls and give you the run around for the entire 3 days after you've enrolled. Don't believe me? Read each and every rip off report, regarding the John Beck scam and you will notice, that all of the victims experiences are strikingly similar.

Don't ever feel safe for using a credit card, no matter what the "story teller" on the other end says. Feeling confident, comfortable and secure using a charge card is exactly what the "story tellers" want.

Don't belive anything, that the "story tellers" claim. Always assume, that the vast majority of these "story tellers" sales pitches are fraudulent, because they are.

Remember, they only need their victims to believe long enough to cough up their credit card information.

Mentoring is a scam comparable to that of envelope stuffing and has quickly risen in popularity, because like envelope stuffing, sounds good in theory. Only sounds good in theory!

1. Lure and trap scheme.

2. Misleading, deceptive, and fraudulent information contained in infomercial.

3. Company records consumer's agreement to enroll, but does not find it necessary to record their fraudulent salespitches? Gee, I wonder why?

4. 3 day right to cancel is fraudulent. How many people have been able to capitalize on this policy?

5. Have absolutely nothing to defend their ridiculous scam in a simple credit card dispute, but aggressively seeks other means to obtain and retain victims money. F%ck that!

6. Does not feel it necessary to address and rectify complaints in the public eye, because they can't. It's a scam remember? LOL. Just watch the amount of victims grow on this website alone.

7. Sends shills to submit retardo rebuttals on their behalf, but hey, if they can't succeed in scamming people using their million dollar state of the art infomercial, they definitely won't succeed here, where burden of proof is a lot more necessary.

8. Located in Utah where "gurus" and fraudulent "mentoring" are enormously prevelent.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. F%ck you Mike Evans from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute!

Jason--you must not have read my initial statement where I said that I TRIED THE COACHING FOR 7 (SEVEN) MONTHS AND THAT I WAS 100% COMMITTED TO THE PROGRAM. And it looks as if I wasn't the only one that was told to relocate. Charging $8,500 for public information is fraudulent. You're full sh*% of bud!!! And so is the company that employs you!!! Go to hell!

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: Ignore any and all rebuttals, that are in favor of the John Beck "mentoring" program. They're all nothing but week attempts to disprove reports, with absolutely ZERO proof to the contrary.

The John Beck Mentoring Institute is fraudulent without a doubt. Unfortunately, shills have a tendency to come in bunches as you may have already noticed.

Let's see, Utah? NICE! How credible are these shill rebuttals now? LOL. Suggest to your supervisors, that they should spend more millions on fraudulent infomercials, because it won't do them any good trying to convince people here.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

ATTENTION ALL: Report any and all suspicious shill activities directly to the FBI and FTC. This forum shall not be used to further perpetuate scams.

Understand, that any and all individuals that choose to shill on a fraudulent company's behalf, may be subject to prosecution to the full extent of the law. Ignorance is no excuse.

John Beck Mentoring Institute is without a doubt, nothing but a telemarketing scam period. No if ands or but's about it and not just an opinion.

I just got through reading Jason's rebuttal. I have to say that if I am going to pay 8,000 dollars for a few mentoring sessions I fully expect that my mentor will have an MBA from at least MIT, or Wharton school of business. Now I see that for my 8,000 I get Jason!!! Oh MY God! that says it all. I will be surprised if this guy graduated Vocational school, or even a GED. This is so bad, Jason will have to pay me to give him the time to listen to him. All of you out there listen carefully to Reid and others. These good people are just the tip of the iceberg of those who have been ripped off.

Reid-
Thanks for the advice. However if I wnted to know how to be a worthless bum, I would listen to you. When I want to know how to make money in real estate I listen to John Beck. I have met him seven times. He has come to our office, talked with clients and congratulated us on the job we do. and in response to your accusations. I hear them avery day. Who says i don't make money in real estate? You? Do you drive a Mercedes? I do. Are you financially independent? I am. Yes Joh beck is an attorney. If the business we run were fraudulent or illegal would we still be in business? I know that you aren't real bright, it is painfullly obvious in your responses. But think about it. we have been in business for more than twelve years, we get numerous complaints from people just like the ones on this board, they come through teh BBB, the Utah attorney general, the FTC and the US attorney general. Pull your head out. If this were illegal, we would be out of business, and likely in jail. Yes the moderator of this board does have my contact info. I will take any calls they choose to make. Reid you are not the first person to feel like they were taken advantage of, you'll not be the last.

Here are a few stats for you to chew on:
we have 92% of the students we work with are successful.

There have been just recently more than a few poeple that have made six figures in less than a months time.

John Beck has done more real estate deals than anyone else, Period!

Mike Evans makes more in a month than reid does all year.

Reid will never be financially independent. He will always work for someone. And will die bitter, poor, and blaming everyone but himself for his lack of action.

Really, everyone.
Financial freedom comes down to making choices. Choices to be positive, be free. We must take the action. I don't know if anyone will heed my advise or not. but i encourage all of you to do something about it. Or leave it alone.

Lee and Jason:

You both make excellent points. We all agreed on tape to these companies' conditions. And yes, probably no laws were broken (the laws may be very flawed in Utah but they might have not been broken per se). Then again, I'm not a lawyer, (and many lawyers may disagree with me and hopefully argue that this is fraudulent in and of itself.)

I think that the problem all of us have with Mentoring of America, Jeff Paul, John Beck or any of these companies is the way the go for the "kill" and the perceptions they leave behind in their customers' minds.

When I first bought the $30 product, I knew exactly what was included. It was very clear on their website. It was loaded with pictures and descriptions. When I received it, I liked it very much (so much so that I'm not even trying to return that package).

Then came step two... the Teleseminar (in the case of Jeff Paul's system). On that call we get to listen to his pitch and he gives a list of products that is also very enticing and appealing. And he gives listeners a 60-day, "no bullsh** guarantee"(his own words). He also lets you pay in 4 installments (Total of $1,995). My opinion on these products?... (more on that later, read on)


Then comes step three... You get a call from their mentoring company.
They make sure to call you on a thursday (so they can have the weekend to their advantage).

They make you feel as though you were "handpicked" to be coached and mentored for success.

They tell you that they are going to REFUND you the product you originally bought ($1,995) in order to upgrade you to their "mentoring bonanza". (More on that later too.)

They ask you if you're "coachable" and if you're willing to invest your money with the assurance that you will make it back in less than 6 months.

They say that you won't have to dish out another single penny out of your pocket and that your investment (in my case $8,500) covers everything.

THEN... they begin recording the conversation (I got my transcript from them and it's scary how everything is done "by the book", according to the FTC's rules of Telemarketing which are filled with loopholes).

Here's where everything goes "south" very fast:
-- The moment you hang up, you realize that you've just given an unknown company a huge amount of your money based on a promise of unlimited riches.
--It then sinks in that you've accepted an "all investments are final" clause. (Probably because you don't want to seem as being bellicose and antagonizing)
-- Then you notice that you didn't receive anything in writing. No e-mail, no letter.

They've left nothing to chance.
-- You're having mixed feelings... "maybe this will work, maybe they're an honorable business", "Maybe I will get rich".

-- Later that night, (call it "buyer's remorse" if you will), you decide to deepen your research and you find sites like this one that scare the pants out of anyone.

-- You then try to call on Saturday but they obviously tell you that no-one is available for cancelations.

-- When you call customer service you quickly find that these people have absolutely no "service" skills. They are trained to be immediately defensive and bullyish (instead of trying to reassure clients that everything is fine and their investment is secure).

And now THEY'VE GOT YOU!!!

Here's what would have made ME happy as a customer: (and probably everyone else)

1) Have the promoter send me an information package detailing what the investment includes. (An outline of the mentoring sessions, a list of resources like ads, masters to the audio tapes, books and CD's). Just like any other professional corporation would do.

2) Have some kind of guarantee (a 3-day rescision period, CLEARLY STATED would have been fine)... BTW, there's no mention of that on my Compliance recording".
3) Get the products out to the client as soon as possible to build excitement (so far I have NOT received my package).
4) Let clients know, in writing and before commiting to anything, that they WILL have to spend more money out of their pocket. And justify it.

Right now it doesn't really matter if they send me a box full of dirty toilet paper, it seems like there's no accountability for the quality of their products and they shield behind their "Compliance recording" in which we agree that all sales are final.

How can the legal system allow for a company to lure their customers into "handing" them their money for nothing in exchange?

Do you understand why we all feel ripped off?

Do you remember when I mentioned the second product I bought after the Teleseminar? (The one that was supposed to be canceled and refunded)...
Well yesterday I got a package at my doorstep. I opened it and there was an invoice for... (cue music) $1,995 plus tax and shipping (in 4 easy payments).
I had to call Customer service and, of course they were unaware of any cancelation from the promoter. So, even though they do have a 30 day guarantee (not 60 days as Jeff Paul promised) now I'm stuck with $28 for their shipping and another similar amount from my pocket me to return the product to them).

About the quality of their product? It just as I expected it. And I don't mean that in a bad way. The information is very good, the quality of the material is very low and unpretentious, but that is one of Jeff Paul's supposed secrets to success.
So I would have been very happy with this product (aside from the fact that in the Teleseminar Paul talked about some software that I did not receive (I didn't make an issue out of it since I was returning it anyway).

So, you see? When customers get what they are promised, there's usually very little room for these ambiguitites and deceptions. If I had not been sold the Mentoring Program for $8,500, I would have definietly given this business (the $1,995 one) 100% of my effort, because I made a calculated choice and I knew I had some way out (risk free).

Right now, I'm just trying to get my money back from Mentoring Of America (all but 15-20% as a "re-stocking fee" which I was promised by their Promoter Shane Jones when I first called him).

If Mentoring of America does refund part of my money, I will publicly praise them as an honorable entity on this and any other consumer advocacy site.

Best regards and good luck.

Robert

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

LEE STATED: First off, I want to go on record stating I do not work for one of these companies. I do not endorse their products nor do I disapprove of the services they are offering.

To answer your questions:

LEE: 1. I have the right to name my company John Beck etc. etc. etc. as long as that name is not taken by someone else. Whether or not my name is John Beck doesn't really matter. If I want to go name my business Reid from Hawaii tomorrow I could. Like I said they are usually "affiliated" with "pro" and I would assume licensed to use his/her name.

RESPONSE: You are correct, however, if you are John Beck and are considered an established attorney, while wanting people to believe, that you are succesful in the real estate biz, it is your responsibility to make sure anthing you endorse is legit.

LEE: 2. I DON'T believe that most of these companies are fraudelent. I think that most provide the service they claim to provide, allbeit maybe not up to your standards.

RESPONSE: This is your opinion Lee and you are entitled to it, regardless of how ridiculous it may be. Gee, I don't know how many unacknowledged and unresolved complaints against these so called "mentoring" programs exist, but if you honestly believe, that "most of them provide what they claim to provide", you ought to consider yourself very lucky, that you stumbled across this website, or someone like myself.

LEE: 3. I DON'T belive it is always the buyers or customers fault. (I personally refuse to use the word victim. There is an epidemic sweeping this nation called Victim Mentality Syndrome. Whenever something goes wrong in one's life they say "it is not my fault, I am the victim. Oh poor me." I am not accusing any of you of this directly.

RESPONSE: It isn't my fault. It's never my fault. I am a "victim" Lee. This is why I received all of my money back, don't you see? My credit card company obviously agreed with what I had to say about this fraudulent "mentoring" nonsense.

If John Beck Mentoring Institute could've proven their legitimacy, they definitely would not have let me get away with it.

LEE: 4. As for Mike Evans, do I "know" him? Yes and no. I went to high school with three Mike Evans at the same time. It is a pretty common name. As for this Mike Evans, I may very well Know him but if I do, I do not know at this time that I know him. There are many companies like this around me. In other words, I am not shilling for him and I have no reason to protect. I do not have a personal stance with him if that is really even his name. Yes, I do have friends that have worked for these companies and like Jason said many people do become successful from these programs. The reason I say your anger is misdirected is partly because of the sheer volume of your anger. You seriously hate this "kid" and for what. Let me tell you, hate begets hate. I am seriously worried that if you have children who are observing this behavior you are making the world a worse place to live just by your actions. Have forgivness in your heart and love your enemies and the world will be a better place.

RESPONSE: This entire paragraph is nonsense. Many people do become successful from these programs? You're going to kill me with laughter! Just like many have become successful stuffing envelopes?

I am making this world a worst place to live in? LOL. I think, that you'd be better off speaking with the governor of your state about this one.

Do me a favor Lee, and ask him to view my many reports on John Becks fraudulent company. Also, suggest, that he remove scamology from Utah's school curriculum. LOL.

And no, I don't hate Mike Evans. Hate is such a strong word. I only have love for mankine. Warning the public about the John Beck scam is my way of expressing my love. Get it?

LEE: 5. No, I have never been a "victim" of one of these companies. I prefer my mentors and coaches to be directly involved with me. I personally associate with real estate millionaires every day. I pick their brains and learn from them as well do they learn from me. As for my expertise as to how all you "victims should feel? I am not telling you how to feel. I can only tell you that I too have received services for which I felt I had overpayed. It happens to everyone. Why do I not return a bad apple to the store? It isn't worth my time and effort. Obviously, a $10,000 investment is more than a bad apple. The point is the same though. I, personally, find one thing I learned from those services I purchased and I make $30,000 off of that one principle. At that point I feel my return on investment is great enough that I don't consider myself a "victim". If you can't do that it is not necessarily the companies fault. I just can't agree with you that you were "scammed". Go and make something out of what you learned. Even if that something was very minimal.

RESPONSE: Of course you never were a "victim" of one of these bogus "mentoring" programs Lee, because you are trying awfully hard to "convince" people that it's real, when you know d**n well it's not.

I've never once asked you Lee, or anyone else to agree with me, that I've been scammed. I could care less If you, especially you Lee, ever became a "victim" of anything, being that you're from the scam capitol of the world, and are attempting to convince people that "Mentoring" is real.

You have shown your character, if that's even real, that you are the type of person, that would just roll over and accept it, had you ever been "victimized".

ONE MORE OF LEE'S RIDICULOUS STATEMENTS: The simple fact that you stated you are going to "temporarily sign off" to real estate says that you are giving up. I am a big proponant of personal responsibility. You have to take responsibility for your actions. I am not saying that you weren't "scammed" and I am not saying that you were. What I am saying is if you got your money back, MOVE ON. You have done your fair share of warning. Put all of this effort into something that is going to make you money. If you didn't get your money back and have tried for a good while, MOVE ON. Chalk it up as a lesson learned. Period. Take some personal responsibilty. The problem that I have with you (Reid) is that you don't except ANY responsibility for this "mistake" in your life and rather than learning from it you are complaining about it. Stop complaining and MOVE ON.

RESPONSE: Just chalk it up he say's! Smart advice from someone who's obviously very intelligent. I think I like this one better than the other turd brain who suggested everyone "just test the waters". Common Lee, if you enjoy "convincing" people, you're going to have to do a little better than this.

I'm going to start my real estate sales training course next week, but you may rest assured Lee, that there's no indication, that I'm "giving up" anytime soon.

LEE: You will never be successful if you always focus on the negative my friend.

RESPONSE: This is the closest thing you've stated to the truth, however, you failed to mention that no one will become successful when falling "victim" to one of the many "mentoring" scams, that leaks out of the scam infested state in which you reside.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Disregard the entire rebuttal posted by Jason. It's full of $h!t, just like the company in which he works..

COPY OF FULL OF $h!T REBUTTAL AND RESPONSES:

JASON: This is for Reid, Stephanie and whoever else feels like they were taken advantage of. I am an employee of Mentoring Of America,

RESPONSE: SO? IF YOU ARE SO SUCCESSFUL AND HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY TO "MENTOR" OTHERS, WHY AREN'T YOU PRACTICING THE PROGRAM YOURSELF?

DO NOT ANSWER WITH AN "I AM", BECAUSE IF YOU WERE, YOU DEFINITELY WOULD NOT HAVE THE TIME OR DESIRE TO "MENTOR" OTHERS, WHILE POSTING SUCH RETARDO REBUTTALS.

JASON: and I love my job. WHY??? To rip people off? NO!!

RESPONSE: EXACTLY WHAT'S YOUR J.O.B.?

JASON: because i get to hear from the people not ilke you, the people who work with the coaches and don't give up after one session.

RESPONSE: FOR YOUR INFORMATION JACKA$$, I'M SORRY JASON, I HAVEN'T GIVEN UP AFTER ONE SESSION. IT TOOK ME A FEW SESSIONS TO ACTUALLY DISCOVER, THAT JOHN BECK'S MENTORING WAS FULL OF $HIT!

JASON: If you would put as much effort into real estate as you would into bitching about getting ripped off you would be wealthy by now.

RESPONSE: OH REALLY! I SUPPOSE THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SO WEALTHY. PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH, INSTEAD OF PEDDLING FRAUDULENT PROGRAMS. YOU MAY SERIOUSLY GET YOURSELF INTO TROUBLE ONE DAY, BY CROSSING PATHS WITH SOMEONE YOU RIPPED OFF, AND BELIEVE ME, YOUR FRAUDULENT COMPANY WILL DO NOTHING TO PROTECT OR SAVE YOU.

JASON: The ONLY and I mean ONLY people who are unhappy with the training are you people, all you do is complain. You've set yoursevles up for failure. If you couls keep a positive mindset, there wouldn't be this porblem. I get to hear from at leat five to ten peolple every week that I have helped be successful.

RESPONSE: US PEOPLE??? HOW MANY COMPLAINTS DO YOU SUPPOSE EXIST REGARDING JOHN BECK'S FRAUDULENT "MENTORING", OR "MENTORING" IN GENERAL, NOT ONLY ON THIS WEBSITE, BUT ON MANY OTHER'S AS WELL?

HOW MANY OF THE MANY COMPLAINTS DO YOU SUPPOSE HAVE BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED AND RECTIFIED IN THE PUBLIC VIEW? NONE JACKA$$! MENTORING IS NOT FOR SALE AND YOU KNOW IT!

EXACTLY HOW DID WE SET OURSELVES UP FOR FAILURE? IF EITHER YOURSELF, OR YOUR TEAM OF "MENTORS" HAD THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE A LEGITIMATE THING GOING FOR YOURSELVES.
WHERE ARE ALL OF THESE "SUCCESS STORIES" YOU CLAIM TO HAVE SPOKEN WITH?

JASON: So if you can still work with a coach then do it.

RESPONSE: YEAH WE WOULD, ONLY NOT WITH THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, YOUR COMPANY IS A SCAM AND YOU CAN'T PROVE OTHERWISE.

IF I WERE YOUR BOSS AND DISCOVERED, THAT YOU WERE OUT MAKING HIS COMPANY LOOK EVEN WORST THAN IT ALREADY HAS, I'D HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO FIRE YOUR SORRY A$$.

JASON: I know of one man who has been doing this for ten months with no success, but is still positive, he admitted that it was just laziness. And for those who thouhgt they were suckered here is a little recap:
"...all investments are final, do you understand and agree to this?" That was what you all were asked on tape. and every one of you responded yes. It is on tape. So really stop you rbitching and get to work, either for yourself, or for your boss.

RESPONSE: WHAT I HAD BEEN ASKED ON TAPE IS WHETHER OR NOT, I AGREED TO ENROLL INTO THE FRAUDULENT PROGRAM.

WHAT HAD BEEN RECORDED HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL OF THE DECEPTIVE, MISLEADING AND FLAT OUT FRAUDULENT SALES PITCHES AND EMPTY PROMISES, MADE BY YOUR "STORY TELLERS" AND DEFACATION "SELLERS", FOR THE FRAUDULENT COMPANY IN WHICH YOU WORK, ONLY RECORDS THE AGREEMENT?
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Yeah, I work for an Egypt based company, where we build and sell pyramids to Egyptians. I once "mentored" an elderly Egyptian man to become successful using the same teachings, but he didn't want to take my advice until ten months later. He admitted, that he was just "lazy".

If you're interested in learning how to build and sell pyramids Jason, give me a call and be sure to have your credit card handy.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Oh my god! If Jason is not a shill, I don't care to know who is. Jason, Jason, Jason.

If I were your supervisor and read your ridiculous, nonsense rebuttal, I would fire you so quickly, it would make your head spin.

What part of fraudulent do you not comprehend? The John Beck Mentoring Institute is fraudulent. Illegal telemarketing scam sold by a bunch of crooks in boiler rooms. Disclosure is key buddy!

Any and all legitimate businesses, that had nothing to hide, would definitely be willing to come forward to disclose actual stats. Real stats including but not limited to, paycheck stubs, success to failure ratio, etc, etc.

Testimonials and foolish rebuttals, that disprove nothing like yours does, mean nothing. Everyone can see through your transparent attempt to make it seem as though John Beck's fairy tale "mentoring" exists. Hogwash!

So if submitting ridiculous rebuttals, that prove absolutely NOTHING false, or to the contrary makes you feel good about yourself, send your supervisor here to see your proud accomplishment.

Being that he to, are not able to support and stand behind any of your ridiculous claims, I bet that he does one of two things upon reviewing your feeble attempt to make John Becks program seem legit. Either laugh in your face, or reprimand you and immediately fire you thereafter.

What a joke you are JASON! Yeah, like everone believes your fake "lazy" man story. Everyone can see why you're so good at promoting such a fraudulent progam, for you are such a great "story teller".

To bad you're obviously not a very intelligent person, for if you were, perhaps one of your fairy tale "coaches" could "mentor" you in the real estate biz. LOL. Care to explain why you chose to sell "programs", as opposed to practicing what you're selling? LOL.

Please elaborate JASON! Don't worry about it, the moderator of this website has your contact info, just in case the FTC decides to ask you a few questions in the future, which I'm sure you'll be able to answer.

Just be aware however, that shilling is illegal and ignorance is no protection. Bottom line is, anyone that believes you're not a shill, or that John Beck's program is legit, would also believe, that I am the proud owner of the pyramids in Egypt. I am laughing my buttocks off!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. From now on, I am going to control my language as best as I possibly can. Thank you Lee, for bringing my foulness to my attention.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Oh my god! If Jason is not a shill, I don't care to know who is. Jason, Jason, Jason.

If I were your supervisor and read your ridiculous, nonsense rebuttal, I would fire you so quickly, it would make your head spin.

What part of fraudulent do you not comprehend? The John Beck Mentoring Institute is fraudulent. Illegal telemarketing scam sold by a bunch of crooks in boiler rooms. Disclosure is key buddy!

Any and all legitimate businesses, that had nothing to hide, would definitely be willing to come forward to disclose actual stats. Real stats including but not limited to, paycheck stubs, success to failure ratio, etc, etc.

Testimonials and foolish rebuttals, that disprove nothing like yours does, mean nothing. Everyone can see through your transparent attempt to make it seem as though John Beck's fairy tale "mentoring" exists. Hogwash!

So if submitting ridiculous rebuttals, that prove absolutely NOTHING false, or to the contrary makes you feel good about yourself, send your supervisor here to see your proud accomplishment.

Being that he to, are not able to support and stand behind any of your ridiculous claims, I bet that he does one of two things upon reviewing your feeble attempt to make John Becks program seem legit. Either laugh in your face, or reprimand you and immediately fire you thereafter.

What a joke you are JASON! Yeah, like everone believes your fake "lazy" man story. Everyone can see why you're so good at promoting such a fraudulent progam, for you are such a great "story teller".

To bad you're obviously not a very intelligent person, for if you were, perhaps one of your fairy tale "coaches" could "mentor" you in the real estate biz. LOL. Care to explain why you chose to sell "programs", as opposed to practicing what you're selling? LOL.

Please elaborate JASON! Don't worry about it, the moderator of this website has your contact info, just in case the FTC decides to ask you a few questions in the future, which I'm sure you'll be able to answer.

Just be aware however, that shilling is illegal and ignorance is no protection. Bottom line is, anyone that believes you're not a shill, or that John Beck's program is legit, would also believe, that I am the proud owner of the pyramids in Egypt. I am laughing my buttocks off!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. From now on, I am going to control my language as best as I possibly can. Thank you Lee, for bringing my foulness to my attention.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Oh my god! If Jason is not a shill, I don't care to know who is. Jason, Jason, Jason.

If I were your supervisor and read your ridiculous, nonsense rebuttal, I would fire you so quickly, it would make your head spin.

What part of fraudulent do you not comprehend? The John Beck Mentoring Institute is fraudulent. Illegal telemarketing scam sold by a bunch of crooks in boiler rooms. Disclosure is key buddy!

Any and all legitimate businesses, that had nothing to hide, would definitely be willing to come forward to disclose actual stats. Real stats including but not limited to, paycheck stubs, success to failure ratio, etc, etc.

Testimonials and foolish rebuttals, that disprove nothing like yours does, mean nothing. Everyone can see through your transparent attempt to make it seem as though John Beck's fairy tale "mentoring" exists. Hogwash!

So if submitting ridiculous rebuttals, that prove absolutely NOTHING false, or to the contrary makes you feel good about yourself, send your supervisor here to see your proud accomplishment.

Being that he to, are not able to support and stand behind any of your ridiculous claims, I bet that he does one of two things upon reviewing your feeble attempt to make John Becks program seem legit. Either laugh in your face, or reprimand you and immediately fire you thereafter.

What a joke you are JASON! Yeah, like everone believes your fake "lazy" man story. Everyone can see why you're so good at promoting such a fraudulent progam, for you are such a great "story teller".

To bad you're obviously not a very intelligent person, for if you were, perhaps one of your fairy tale "coaches" could "mentor" you in the real estate biz. LOL. Care to explain why you chose to sell "programs", as opposed to practicing what you're selling? LOL.

Please elaborate JASON! Don't worry about it, the moderator of this website has your contact info, just in case the FTC decides to ask you a few questions in the future, which I'm sure you'll be able to answer.

Just be aware however, that shilling is illegal and ignorance is no protection. Bottom line is, anyone that believes you're not a shill, or that John Beck's program is legit, would also believe, that I am the proud owner of the pyramids in Egypt. I am laughing my buttocks off!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. From now on, I am going to control my language as best as I possibly can. Thank you Lee, for bringing my foulness to my attention.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Oh my god! If Jason is not a shill, I don't care to know who is. Jason, Jason, Jason.

If I were your supervisor and read your ridiculous, nonsense rebuttal, I would fire you so quickly, it would make your head spin.

What part of fraudulent do you not comprehend? The John Beck Mentoring Institute is fraudulent. Illegal telemarketing scam sold by a bunch of crooks in boiler rooms. Disclosure is key buddy!

Any and all legitimate businesses, that had nothing to hide, would definitely be willing to come forward to disclose actual stats. Real stats including but not limited to, paycheck stubs, success to failure ratio, etc, etc.

Testimonials and foolish rebuttals, that disprove nothing like yours does, mean nothing. Everyone can see through your transparent attempt to make it seem as though John Beck's fairy tale "mentoring" exists. Hogwash!

So if submitting ridiculous rebuttals, that prove absolutely NOTHING false, or to the contrary makes you feel good about yourself, send your supervisor here to see your proud accomplishment.

Being that he to, are not able to support and stand behind any of your ridiculous claims, I bet that he does one of two things upon reviewing your feeble attempt to make John Becks program seem legit. Either laugh in your face, or reprimand you and immediately fire you thereafter.

What a joke you are JASON! Yeah, like everone believes your fake "lazy" man story. Everyone can see why you're so good at promoting such a fraudulent progam, for you are such a great "story teller".

To bad you're obviously not a very intelligent person, for if you were, perhaps one of your fairy tale "coaches" could "mentor" you in the real estate biz. LOL. Care to explain why you chose to sell "programs", as opposed to practicing what you're selling? LOL.

Please elaborate JASON! Don't worry about it, the moderator of this website has your contact info, just in case the FTC decides to ask you a few questions in the future, which I'm sure you'll be able to answer.

Just be aware however, that shilling is illegal and ignorance is no protection. Bottom line is, anyone that believes you're not a shill, or that John Beck's program is legit, would also believe, that I am the proud owner of the pyramids in Egypt. I am laughing my buttocks off!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. From now on, I am going to control my language as best as I possibly can. Thank you Lee, for bringing my foulness to my attention.

First off, I want to go on record stating I do not work for one of these companies. I do not endorse their products nor do I disapprove of the services they are offering.

To answer your questions:

1. I have the right to name my company John Beck etc. etc. etc. as long as that name is not taken by someone else. Whether or not my name is John Beck doesn't really matter. If I want to go name my business Reid from Hawaii tomorrow I could. Like I said they are usually "affiliated" with "pro" and I would assume licensed to use his/her name.

2. I DON'T believe that most of these companies are fraudelent. I think that most provide the service they claim to provide, allbeit maybe not up to your standards.

3. I DON'T belive it is always the buyers or customers fault. (I personally refuse to use the word victim. There is an epidemic sweeping this nation called Victim Mentality Syndrome. Whenever something goes wrong in one's life they say "it is not my fault, I am the victim. Oh poor me." I am not accusing any of you of this directly.

4. As for Mike Evans, do I "know" him? Yes and no. I went to high school with three Mike Evans at the same time. It is a pretty common name. As for this Mike Evans, I may very well Know him but if I do, I do not know at this time that I know him. There are many companies like this around me. In other words, I am not shilling for him and I have no reason to protect. I do not have a personal stance with him if that is really even his name. Yes, I do have friends that have worked for these companies and like Jason said many people do become successful from these programs. The reason I say your anger is misdirected is partly because of the sheer volume of your anger. You seriously hate this "kid" and for what. Let me tell you, hate begets hate. I am seriously worried that if you have children who are observing this behavior you are making the world a worse place to live just by your actions. Have forgivness in your heart and love your enemies and the world will be a better place.

5. No, I have never been a "victim" of one of these companies. I prefer my mentors and coaches to be directly involved with me. I personally associate with real estate millionaires every day. I pick their brains and learn from them as well do they learn from me. As for my expertise as to how all you "victims should feel? I am not telling you how to feel. I can only tell you that I too have received services for which I felt I had overpayed. It happens to everyone. Why do I not return a bad apple to the store? It isn't worth my time and effort. Obviously, a $10,000 investment is more than a bad apple. The point is the same though. I, personally, find one thing I learned from those services I purchased and I make $30,000 off of that one principle. At that point I feel my return on investment is great enough that I don't consider myself a "victim". If you can't do that it is not necessarily the companies fault. I just can't agree with you that you were "scammed". Go and make something out of what you learned. Even if that something was very minimal.

The simple fact that you stated you are going to "temporarily sign off" to real estate says that you are giving up. I am a big proponant of personal responsibility. You have to take responsibility for your actions. I am not saying that you weren't "scammed" and I am not saying that you were. What I am saying is if you got your money back, MOVE ON. You have done your fair share of warning. Put all of this effort into something that is going to make you money. If you didn't get your money back and have tried for a good while, MOVE ON. Chalk it up as a lesson learned. Period. Take some personal responsibilty. The problem that I have with you (Reid) is that you don't except ANY responsibility for this "mistake" in your life and rather than learning from it you are complaining about it. Stop complaining and MOVE ON.

You will never be successful if you always focus on the negative my friend.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

LEE STATED: Most of these companies are not the same company but do have the same operating systems. You see, John Beck really has nothing to do with this except for the fact that he sold all of your phone numbers to multiple companies. These companies in turn call you and claim to be with John Beck even though they really aren't. Yes, they are affiliated with him because he is their lead generator, but they are not directly connected.

RESPONSE: This is exactly true and the whole point behind my many continuous postings.

John Beck's Free and Clear, like the vast majority of other moneymaking programs sold via infomercials, are nothing but invites into fraudulent "mentoring" programs.

Lure and trap scams, where illegal telemarketing are being perpetuated from boiler rooms across the country. Fraudulent third party businesses refer to it as an "up sell". The more gabage the better!

The concept behind this elaborate scam, is that consumers that purchase the initial bogus information, often feel comfortable in believing, that the fraudulent telemarketers must be legit.

Nothing could be further from the truth however. Upon phoning the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, I had been specifically told, that I would be "mentored" by a coach, that had been personally hand picked and "mentored" by John Beck himself.

Now if John Beck has not personally hand picked and trained all hundred or thousand or so coaches as claimed, this itty bitty fact alone would automatically make the entire offer fraudulent.

Even the name of the company would not be valid, as it would be fraudulent. Now I don't know much about John Beck personally, but I do know, that he's an established attorney.

I cannot agree however, that John Beck has nothing to do with this operation. I don't believe, that anyone especially an attorney, would endorse such a service, which he knew were engaging in fraudulent activities, especially if he wasn't profiting in some way shape or form.

Common, illegal boiler room operations? LOL. For those, who may be unfamiliar with illegal boiler room operations, it's a gang of theives, peddling progams and literally stealing money, through a bunch of lies.

Let's assume for sake of example, that John Beck were totally naive to the fact. It still remains his personal responsiblity, just as it would anyone elses, when confronted with assertions and allegation regarding themselves, and also a major comitment to the consumers, to acknowledge and rectify any and all reports against him, while at the same time defend his overall reputation.

Being an attorney, one would like to believe, that he would personally pursue this fraudulent entity, or at very least, see to it, that they are conducting business in an ethical way. Wouldn't you agree?

Lee, you seem to know much about the industry and how it works. Please tell us, have you ever been a victim of such program? If not, what's your area of expertise, on how victims should feel and or react upon being scammed?

Have you ever worked in a boiler room type operation, or had a friend or acquaintence that did? Do you know Mike Evans personally? If not, what makes you compelled to defend what he's doing while suggesting, that my anger is possibly being misdirected?

The reason I ask is very simple. The last question especially, is known as the "easy way out" for fraudulent businesses. Simple, just blame it on the "victims", as to why the fraudulent scam did not yield the results fraudulently claimed.

It seems, that your rebuttal and suggestions are geared towards blaming no one but the victims themselves and by the sound of it, like you're suggesting, that each and every victim of the John Beck scam, just move on and forget the whole thing. Who's really to blame here?

EXAMPLE OF "THE EASY WAY OUT" ROUTE:

VICTIMS: John Beck's program is a scam.

FRAUDULENT JOHN BECK MENTORING INSTITUTE: Not!

VICTIMS: I have poof, that determines it.

FRAUDULENT JOHN BECK MENTORING INSTITUTE: Well we have "excuses", that we think proves otherwise!

VICTIMS: What excuses are you refering to?

FRAUDULENT JOHN BECK MENTORING INSTITUTE: You!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

This is for Reid, Stephanie and whoever else feels like they were taken advantage of. I am an employee of Mentoring Of America, and I love my job. WHY??? To rip people off? NO!! because i get to hear from the people not ilke you, the people who work with the coaches and don't give up after one session. If you would put as much effort into real estate as you would into bitching about getting ripped off you would be wealthy by now. The ONLY and I mean ONLY people who are unhappy with the training are you people, all you do is complain. You've set yoursevles up for failure. If you couls keep a positive mindset, there wouldn't be this porblem. I get to hear from at leat five to ten peolple every week that I have helped be successful.
So if you can still work with a coach then do it. I know of one man who has been doing this for ten months with no success, but is still positive, he admitted that it was just laziness. And for those who thouhgt they were suckered here is a little recap:
"...all investments are final, do you understand and agree to this?" That was what you all were asked on tape. and every one of you responded yes. It is on tape. So really stop you rbitching and get to work, either for yourself, or for your boss.

Hey there Lee out of Provo, along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Hey Lee, thanks for the rebuttal and also for doing the math for me. LOL. You are absolutely right when stating, that many, including myself, spend way too much time on this website. LOL.

About the $9.8 million. I'm just trying to make a point, in that no individual should ever be allowed to determine what someone feels their time is worth.

I didn't really expect Mike Evans to pay me $9.8 million, or even any money for that matter. LOL. Believe me, as ridiculous as it may seem, I did once have a formula for this figure. LOL.

Of course, fraudulent businesses like John Beck's, which blatantly rips people off, would never call people up to even apologize, because in their mind they feel, that it would be considered a bow in deference and possibly even an admission of guilt.

The point behind my many rantings are to warn others, that the John Beck Mentoring Institute is peddling nothing but garbage, and it's not just my opinion. The many unacknowledged reports against them, solidifies this bold assertion.

Their program is a waste of time and just an attempt to steal money, by hiding behind loopholes in the laws, which pertain to consumer protection.

You are correct Lee, in that what I'm doing is probably very non productive in the eyes of many, but I'm not doing it for personal gain, but rather to protect as many people as I can, from possibly blowing their life savings and wasting much time on a scam like John Beck's programs and the likes.

About my foul mouth, I'm not a foul person by nature. The fact, that I continue to post warnings about the John Beck scam clearly demonstrates, that I am one with good intentions. The swearing is only used to demonstrate my ongoing and accumulating rage.

About Mike Evans, you are correct Lee, in that he may be just a young punk who was doing a job, but don't forget, that he's still accountable for his actions nevertheless.

I've held many jobs in my life and know from experience, that one needs to constantly maintain a certain level of professionalism while on the job. Regardless of whether or not a customer/consumer had been rude, etc, etc.

One thing, that a legitimate business would never do, is threaten someone for any reason, especially as in this scenario, where Mike Evans threatended to sue me out of anger and desperation, for merely exercising my right as a consumer, to dispute what I've determined to be fraudulent, when in fact he knew he wasn't really intending to follow through with his empty threat.

My point regarding Mike Evans, is that his actions towards me was totally unprofessional and unjustified, and someone definitely needs to take responsibility for it.

Any legitimate company would never let a situation like this slide or attempt to "shoosh" it under the rug.

Had Mike Evan's treated someone like he has myself in person, he may have gotten his face rearranged, and I hope he knows this. All I asked for in the beginning was a refund and a simple apology.

In closing, I would like to once again thank you Lee for responding to my posting with the positive attitute that you have. Just no Lee, that you have been correct in every statement you've made.

I have made my point and it's understandable if my rebuttals seem a little redundant at times. But you know... you have to stay on top of things. LOL. We don't need the shills to start coming around, when they've literally had a year to do so, but decided not to?

I'm probably going to temporarily sign off soon to further study Real Estate laws and also to further my education.

Until next time, take care Lee along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Reid,

I think your anger towards this Mike Evans guy is misdirected. He is probably some kid just doing a job. If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the owners of the company. Also, where do you get a 9.8 million dollar figure. Assuming you took their program and dedicated 10 hours a week to the program for six months, you would have spent 240 hours total. 9.8 million divided by 240 = approximately $40,833. So what you are saying is that you currently make over 40k an hour. If this is true then why are you even worried about it? Why are you ordering things off of infomercials? Also, why are you such a foul person? Your language is out of control and impresses no one.

Second, most of these companies are not the same company but do have the same operating systems. You see, John Beck really has nothing to do with this except for the fact that he sold all of your phone numbers to multiple companies. These companies in turn call you and claim to be with John Beck even though they really aren't. Yes, they are affiliated with him because he is their lead generator, but they are not directly connected.

Third, the BBB was started by the mafia. It was a way for the mafia to spread "good words" about the businesses they were involved in and to bad mouth all businesses that they weren't. It is funny that they basically do the same thing today. THERE IS NO PURPOSE IN REPORTING A BUSINESS TO THE BBB. Instead, report them to some of the other agencies mentioned. AG's, FTC, and state divisions of consumer protection in your state and the state of the company.

Lastly, although most of these programs are overpriced, they are not necessarily a "bad thing". A lot of people want to do REI and the only thing holding them back is themselves. I am a full-time real estate investor. I have spent thousands on mentoring and the likes. (No I do not endorse the companies involved here nor have i ever been involved in their programs.) The point is if you really want to be successful, you have to take the time and energy to make it happen. So many people just want to call up a mentor and not do any work. It just does not happen that way. I am not implying that on any of you but there are a lot like that and the point is that they are unsuccessful because of THEMSELVES. For any of you that are serious about being in real estate I suggest you find a local real estate investor to mentor you. Also, read up on some of the great real estate websites out there like : reiclub.com richdad.com creonline.com etc. Although, Rip-off Report is an excellent web-site and great for consumers, It seems some of you spend all day here. That can't be getting you any closer to your goals. Go out there and do something and you will find success. Best of luck to you all.

Hey there Stephanie along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Stephanie, you are absolutely correct when stating "Also guys, the reason I was given as to why no attorney would take a case like ours is that John Beck can say that I wasn't "100% committed" to their coaching and that's why it didn't work".

Fraudulent companies and fudge packing shills often use this tactic. Weak attempt of shifting the reason for failure on the consumer, as to why their SCAM did not yield the kind of results, that they've so fraudulently claimed.

I to, have had much difficulty finding an attorney, that was interested in taking on such a blatant scam on a contingency basis, for like you said, it's much to convenient for the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institue and the many other bogus mentoring "gurus" to flat out lie.

It would truly be a waste of time for any attorney. I'm alright with it though, for there's absolutely nothing, that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute can do at this point, that would change the fact, that their "mentoring", along with "mentoring" in general, are nothing but a pile of $h!t.

Fraudulent companies like John Beck's can only lie so much, before agencies like credit card issuers, consumer protection, FTC, courts, but most importantly the CONSUMERS catch on to their scam and reveal it to the rest of the public.

Parents "mentor", school teachers "mentor", athletic coaches "mentor", no one "mentors" for the sheer sake of "mentoring", especially not for the amount of ones available credit? SCAM RIGHT THERE!

Fraudulent companies like John Beck's, that shell out tons of money to stay afloat, may continue to do so for as long as they wish, for I, along with many other scam victims, have a few things much more powerful on our side, which include the truth and our constitutional rights to free speech.

The most beautiful part about being scammed, are the facts, that there's no statute of limitation on the truth and our constitutional rights to free speech, therefore I will continue to warn the public about this blatant scam, until I, along with everyone else, have been compensated to the absoulte best of our satisfaction.

ATTENTION: In case you haven't already done so, go to classaction@ripoffreport.com to express your interest in a class action lawsuit.

I'm also extending this invitation to any and all ex-employees and would be employees of the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, or any other fraudulent "mentoring" programs.

Do the right thing and come forward to reveal everything!

Don't be stupid folks and think that what you're doing is ethical. I know of incidents where people have gotten killed over a can of beer. Could you imagine, what could possibly happen to a person, that attempts to steal thousands of dollars from the wrong person?

What's John Beck and the rest of team imbreeds going to do for you then? Probably right you off as taxes. LOL

Until next time, take care Stephanie along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. F%ck you Mike Evans you genetic imbreed! Don't think, that I've forgotten about my money! You owe me $9.8 million you pompous, arrogant
pr!ck!

Hi Robert, Reid and everyone else:
When the bullsh%$ Mentoring Institute refused to refund my money, after getting in contact with the worthless BBB of Utah, I e-mailed all the major networks' television new magazines (the shows Robert mentioned). That was 2 months ago and I haven't heard anything back, at all. I'm not sure why--their fact checkers can check with the BBB and other resources to see that many people have been defrauded by these criminals. Oh and get this--about a week and a half ago, Amber from John Beck called on behalf of my coach Justin McLaughlin wanting to know why we had not contacted our coach. It took a lot not to let her have it, but all I said was that the JBMI was fraudulent. She actually acted surprised. What an actress. Also guys, the reason I was given as to why no attorney would take a case like ours is that John Beck can say that I wasn't "100% committed" to their coaching and that's why it didn't work. What a load of crap. I am not going to stop fighting, and I will not rest until justice has been served. I'm usually very nice until someone wrongs me.

I was scammed out of $8,500 by Mentoring of America (The "crooked" end of so many "seemingly legitimate" businesses such as Jeff Paul and John Beck.

Aside from the usual BBB, FTC and Attorney General Compaints, I've written e-mails to 20/20, Dateline, Nightline, 60 Minutes and 60 Minutes 2.

I probably won't get an answer from them unless they believe they have a story.

Well, LET'S GIVE THEM A STORY....

Let's overwhelm them with e-mails about how we ALL got ripped off by this company and how the laws in Utah and so many other states favor the consumer and allow for shadowy companies to enforce "no-refund policies and tape-recorded iron-clad contracts".

I work for a two local Hispanic TV stations in San Diego and I know what attracts reporters to a good story.
Right now one of our best reporters is doing a piece on other types of frauds such as credit protection programs and buyer clubs.

If they see a "growing problem", an "epidemic" or a "community uniting against the crooks", they might consider investigating.

Here are the e-mail addresses of the shows that I have written emails to.

20/20 --- 2020@abc.com
Dateline ---- dateline@nbc.com
CBS shows
(48 Hours,
60 Minutes and
60 Minutes 2)
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.shtml

I hope this works.

Best regards and keep on fighting

Hey there Robert along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Thank you very much for responding to my rebuttal. Yeah, sounds like there's a pretty good chance, that these two companies are one of the same.

There's even a good chance, that most of the Infomercial companies are the same. Ever heard of the skinny faggy looking fellow named Bean Raviolli? LOL

First he claimed to have made his fortune by selling automobiles, then he later claimed to have made his fortune in Real Estate.

What this tilly guy failed to mention, was how he made his fortune selling bogus Infomercial products and services. LOL

I would love to cross paths with this guy one day, and show him how I almost LOST my fortune to a con artist just like him.

WARNING TO ROBERT AND EVERYONE ELSE: Looks like a bunch of shills are on the loose.

Pay special attention to a woman responder, who seems compelled to have the public believe, that John Beck, along with the rest of the bogus Real Estate "gurus", have a secret agenda to pursue legal action, after one has exercised his or her "RIGHT" to dispute quality of goods and services.

I am starting to get very suspicious, for she seems to "tail" all rebuttals, that shares the same opinions. Nothing but a feeble attempt to smear the truth with intimidation.

Anyways, thanks again Robert for bringing your experience into the public eye, as all legitimate businesses definitely would. I am going to read your other postings after submitting this rebuttal.

Until next time, take care Robert along with Everyone else, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Hi there Mike Evans!

After reading everyone's experiences with John Beck and his mentoring program (Mentoring of America, I submitted my own report under Jeff Paul Systems, which is the company I dealt with and uses the exact same "mentoring company" to scam their victims.

When I read the stories, I was perplexed to see that they used the exact same methods to scam me out of $8,500.

They made me feel as if they chose me because I was one of the first to call them.

They made it sound like a very limited and exclusive offer. (Very high pressure, connecting me from promoter to promoter in a very well coordinated dance)

They also promised me a very fast ROI and earnings in the 100,000 a year range (of course all of this before they started "recording the conversation for quality assurance").
When I discovered later that night that all this was a big scam I called the next day (a Saturday and the third day since I placed my order)... Of course no one answered the phone.

They also denied a refund stating that all sales are final and I agreed to that in the recorded conversation.

The most this promoter (Shane Jones) offered was to "try to get the lawyers to approve a refund less 15% re-stocking fee (Re-stocking of WHAT? I have not received anything). They just want me to cave in in fear of losing 1,200 (15% of 8,500)

I've taken the following actions:
I disputed the charges with my credit card companies (yes, they asked me for TWO credit cards to get to the $8,500), filed complaints with the BBB in Utah and New York, The AG in Utah and California and the FTC.

BTW, yesterday as I was talking to my CC company I received an e-mail from Jeff Paul Systems claiming that my credit card company had declined an extra charge of $2180.32 (for who knows what). They very politely state that they won't send me my merchandise until I pay that amount (Which I think only builds my case against them).

Even though I have never dealt with this John Beck I know that it's the exact same scam with a different name (Jeff Paul Mentoring or Jeff Paul Millionaires Club).

REID FROM HAWAII:
Aloha!
I've notice that you're spearheading the effort to nail these, as you say, "Products of Incest".
Please read my report (titled: Jeff Paul Systems - Jeff Paul Millionaires Club - Mentoring Of America Jeff Paul Systems and Mentoring of America is an ellaborate scam They've cost me $8,500 so far) and let me know what I can do. Maybe we can go after them in bulk.

Best regards and keep fighting

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

I guess for the time being, I have posted enough rebuttals. I am quite confident, that by now, each and every one of you are aware of the fact, that John Beck's materials are definitely without an ounce of doubt, nothing but a credit card scheme. SCAM! FRAUDULENT! SCAM! FRAUDULENT!

A trap used to lure unsuspecting victims into a non existant program, where promises of "mentoring" and heavty sized monthly income claims, are not lived up to or backed up in any way shape or form.

I'm going to take a much needed break for the time being, but will definitely without a doubt, be monitoring this fraudulent companies every move. I will continue to be the watchdog against this fraudulent company in particular.

This monitoring is to prevent any shill puppet activities. In order for this fraudulent company to ever conduct business without the watchful eye of my scam radar, they must first prove EACH and EVERY claim, that I have made against them, in ALL of my reports and rebuttals, false and or to the contrary.

They also owe me $9.8 million, for all my time they have wasted. Nothing in this world is worth more to me than time and this f^ck!ng garbage John Beck cr*p have wasted much of it.

This $9.8 million IS NOT a "pay off". This $9.8 million IS NOT a "purchase" to make me go away. This $9.8 million IS NOT a bribe or an attempt to blackmail.

This is money owed to me plain and simple, due to a cocky pr!ck named Mike Evans, who works for the very fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, which blatantly attempted to extort money from me.

In closing, I would like to recite a few very important details one last time, till I make my debut comeback.

1. Do not call to order the John Beck's Free and Clear program. It's definitely a scam! Just an initial door opener to lure you into their credit card scheme.

2. Never give out your credit card information over the phone. SURE FIRE WAY TO GET SCAMMED! Any and all legitimate businesses, send out contracts, which includes FULL DISCLOSURE, FULL TERMS & CONDITIONS of the contract and the complete POLICIES & PROCEDURES of said contract.

3. If anyone from any business ever asks you permission to have the conversation recorded, immediately hang up the phone. Telephone agreements are nothing but bull$h!t.

Oral contracts recorded or not, are not legally enforceable in many states to begin with and legitimate businesses no this. So any business, that would go through the trouble of implementing such bull$hit, deserves to lose much business.

4. Don't ever mistake a 3-5 day "right to cancel" as a guarantee of any sort. A 3-5 day "right to cancel" is yet another solid indication, that a company is nothing but a fraudulent credit card trap.

There's absolutely nothing preventing a company from giving you the run around within the 3-5 day" "right to cancel" duration and MANY companies have done this MANY of times.

5. Don't think for a second, that a company is legitimate, just because it's a member of the Better Business Bureau. Better Business Bureau memberships proves absolutely nothing about a company or it's reputation.

Always remember, that BBB memberships are paid for, and not earned, and it has been proven many times before, that it requires many complaints against a particular business, before any action is ever taken by the BBB. Truly biased and one sided organization.

6. Same goes for merchant accounts. A merchant account is NEVER an indication, of whether or not a company is legitimate and or reputable. It's a proven fact, that despite numerous amounts of consumer disputes, credit card companies will do absolutely nothing to stop charges from going through to fraudulent businesses. Condoning the practice are we? Aiding and abetting by definition.

7. No legitimate and reputable business, would ever allow ANY amount of complaints against it to go unacknowledged and unresolved. Keep in mind that this is not the only website containing many complaints regarding the John Beck scam or scams in general.

8. I've said far enough about marketing and advertising using "fine print". "Fine print" is nothing, but concealment of the truth. "Fine print" is nothing but a means to hide pertinant information and MISLEAD consumers.

9. Threatening consumers in any way shape or form, and for any reason what so ever is definetly going to far. No legitimate business, would ever allow any of it's employees to threaten any of it's patrons, for any reason.
F^ck!ng C^nt Mike Evans did just that!

10. Take notice of the many unacknowledged and unresolved reports against the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, and the tremendous differences in the amounts of all the victims investments.

That's because the fraudulent John Beck and all his b^ll$h!t materials costs whatever ones available credit happens to be.

11. Never conduct business with any company, that's opposed to consumer advocacy sites. The only companies, that would be opposed to consumer advocacy sites are those that have something to hide.

Any and all legitimate businesses would definitely not find consumer advocacy sites a threat in any way. Legitimate businesses find honor in coming forward in the public eye to lay it all out in the open.

Fraudulent businesses like John Beck's prefer to conduct business in hiding, telephone, computer, fax, etc, etc.

There's a lot more details regarding the John Beck scam and I will definitely post them at a later time. Perhaps when I return from my long awaited and deserved vacation. LOL

In closing, I would like to say for one last time, that FULL DISCLOSURE is the key to safe transactions and any and all legitimate businesses understand the term.

Thank you very much to all, that have read some, if not all of my reports and special thanks to Ed and the entire staff of the rip-off report, for making my story public. This is the absolute greatest website.

Until next time, take care everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

NOTE: I may be away for a short while, but will definitely visit the rip-off report just as frequently. I will also answer each and every question as soon as time permits. Definitely will keep in touch.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

It's very important, that everyone realizes, there is no company and or offer, especially those sold via infomercials, that can or will make you wealthy.

In fact it's very safe to say and assume, that the vast majority of infomercial business programs are scams. The John Beck Free and Clear program is a definitely a scam. Uncovered and proven by myself, and many other rip off victims.

This is not the only website, that contains many unacknowledged and unresolved complaints against the fraudulent John Beck programs. As a matter of fact, this fraudulent company has made it very easy for it's many victims, to uncover and and prove it fraudulent.

Here are just a few things to consider, in order to differentiate between what only appears to be a legitimate and reputable business, from one that's totally fraudulent:

Legitimate businesses send out contracts containing full disclosure, stipulating the actual terms and agreement of the contract and it's policies and proceedures.

Legitimate businesses would have absolutely no problem having someone review the contract in order to make a sound and rashional decision.

Fraudulent businesses on the other hand, have an entire arsenal of bogus sales pitches and much rather "close" the sale immediately.

Fraudulent businesses also prefer obtaining your credit card number over the phone, and having the conversation recorded, for what they want consumers to believe is a valid contract.

Never give your credit card information over the phone and or agree to have the conversation recorded. Automatically assume the business is fraudulent because it is.

Take notice of the tremendous diffences in all the victims investments, regarding John Beck's fraudulent "mentoring" program. That's because this fraudulent company like the many other so called "mentoring" companies, are only interested in someones total available credit and nothing else.

Once fraudulent "mentoring" companies obtain all of your credit card information, the deal is sealed and the trap doors shut, by your agreeing to have the conversation recorded.

Deceptive trade, is just one of many other fraudulent practices, that these fraudulent and non existant "mentoring" programs uses.

Fine print, which fraudulent companies that have much to hide often use in their advertising, is nothing more than concealment of the truth. These moneymaking infomercials are flooded with half truths and many flat out lies.

Legitimate businesses that are confident their company products and or sevices offer and honor refunds. Don't ever mistake a 3-5 day "right to cancel" part of a businesses refund policy, and avoid enrolling into any and all programs that have such a ridiculous policy.

A 3-5 day "right to cancel", is just one of many strategies used by fraudulent businesses, to give consumers the impression, that what he or she are about to agree to is a legitimate offer.

Take notice of how many complaints exists, regarding the difficulty of getting a live operator during the 3-5 day "right to cancel".

Again, legitimate businesses, that truly believe in the products and or services they're selling, would definitely be willing to back it up with a solid money back guarantee in writing.

That's the way legitimate businesses have always been, and that's the way they'll always be.

Legitimate businesses that have nothing to hide, would definitely be willing and able to come forward in the public eye to lay it all out in the open. It would be considered an honor and would work in their favor to come forward to address and rectify all consumer complaints.

NOTE: If a moneymaking opportunity was ever as good as it's claims, believe me, there would be a lot of positive ranting and raving about it, as opposed to much negative reports and anger.

RECAP:

1. Never agree to and or give out credit card info over the telephone. This has never in my lifetime, been an acceptable form or an ideal way of conducting business.

2. Never agree to have a telephone conversation recorded and used as a means of a legal contract. Far too many scam companies would have you believe, that tape recorded contracts are valid, legally binding and enforceable, when in fact, the exact opposite holds true.

A legal contract must have several elements to be considered legally enforceable and binding on the person "signing it. Therefore, legitimate businesses would not even waste time with the implementation of such nonsense.

Check your local laws as to the legalities of oral contracts, as it tremendously differs from state to state.

3. Money back guarantee. See above for an explanation.

4. BBB memberships and ratings means and or proves nothing about a business. Membeships are paid for, not earned therefore in no way may be consideded unbiased.

5. Credit card companies in no way protects consumers from fraudulent businesses. Even if many have won disputes against a particular business, it will in no way affect the relationship between the bad merchant and credit card company. The credit card company will continue to allow charges to go through.

6. Last for now, but diffinitely not least, silence by the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute should be considered by all, a "BOW IN DEFFERENCE", for no legitimate company, that was able to prove reports against them and or to the contrary, would have ever allowed this many complaints to have accumulated against them.

Silence alone, by the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, should be considered by all, an admission of guilt.

In order for them to now prove me wrong, they will have to prove EVERYTHING, that I have mentioned in EACH and EVERY report and rebuttal false and to the contrary, when all I asked in the beginning was very simply for fair and honest dealings, and they could'nt even provide that.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. F^ck you Mike Evans! $9.8 million! C'mon, be a man and contact me. You have my number. I would even be willing to negotiate some kind of payment plan for you. There is no other option. I will not be bullied by anyone, or company and will definitely not be brushed off like lint. You do want to get me off your back eventually don't you? C'mon Mike Evans, you owe it to your company.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

It's very important, that everyone realizes, there is no company and or offer, especially those sold via infomercials, that can or will make you wealthy.

In fact it's very safe to say and assume, that the vast majority of infomercial business programs are scams. The John Beck Free and Clear program is a definitely a scam. Uncovered and proven by myself, and many other rip off victims.

This is not the only website, that contains many unacknowledged and unresolved complaints against the fraudulent John Beck programs. As a matter of fact, this fraudulent company has made it very easy for it's many victims, to uncover and and prove it fraudulent.

Here are just a few things to consider, in order to differentiate between what only appears to be a legitimate and reputable business, from one that's totally fraudulent:

Legitimate businesses send out contracts containing full disclosure, stipulating the actual terms and agreement of the contract and it's policies and proceedures.

Legitimate businesses would have absolutely no problem having someone review the contract in order to make a sound and rashional decision.

Fraudulent businesses on the other hand, have an entire arsenal of bogus sales pitches and much rather "close" the sale immediately.

Fraudulent businesses also prefer obtaining your credit card number over the phone, and having the conversation recorded, for what they want consumers to believe is a valid contract.

Never give your credit card information over the phone and or agree to have the conversation recorded. Automatically assume the business is fraudulent because it is.

Take notice of the tremendous diffences in all the victims investments, regarding John Beck's fraudulent "mentoring" program. That's because this fraudulent company like the many other so called "mentoring" companies, are only interested in someones total available credit and nothing else.

Once fraudulent "mentoring" companies obtain all of your credit card information, the deal is sealed and the trap doors shut, by your agreeing to have the conversation recorded.

Deceptive trade, is just one of many other fraudulent practices, that these fraudulent and non existant "mentoring" programs uses.

Fine print, which fraudulent companies that have much to hide often use in their advertising, is nothing more than concealment of the truth. These moneymaking infomercials are flooded with half truths and many flat out lies.

Legitimate businesses that are confident their company products and or sevices offer and honor refunds. Don't ever mistake a 3-5 day "right to cancel" part of a businesses refund policy, and avoid enrolling into any and all programs that have such a ridiculous policy.

A 3-5 day "right to cancel", is just one of many strategies used by fraudulent businesses, to give consumers the impression, that what he or she are about to agree to is a legitimate offer.

Take notice of how many complaints exists, regarding the difficulty of getting a live operator during the 3-5 day "right to cancel".

Again, legitimate businesses, that truly believe in the products and or services they're selling, would definitely be willing to back it up with a solid money back guarantee in writing.

That's the way legitimate businesses have always been, and that's the way they'll always be.

Legitimate businesses that have nothing to hide, would definitely be willing and able to come forward in the public eye to lay it all out in the open. It would be considered an honor and would work in their favor to come forward to address and rectify all consumer complaints.

NOTE: If a moneymaking opportunity was ever as good as it's claims, believe me, there would be a lot of positive ranting and raving about it, as opposed to much negative reports and anger.

RECAP:

1. Never agree to and or give out credit card info over the telephone. This has never in my lifetime, been an acceptable form or an ideal way of conducting business.

2. Never agree to have a telephone conversation recorded and used as a means of a legal contract. Far too many scam companies would have you believe, that tape recorded contracts are valid, legally binding and enforceable, when in fact, the exact opposite holds true.

A legal contract must have several elements to be considered legally enforceable and binding on the person "signing it. Therefore, legitimate businesses would not even waste time with the implementation of such nonsense.

Check your local laws as to the legalities of oral contracts, as it tremendously differs from state to state.

3. Money back guarantee. See above for an explanation.

4. BBB memberships and ratings means and or proves nothing about a business. Membeships are paid for, not earned therefore in no way may be consideded unbiased.

5. Credit card companies in no way protects consumers from fraudulent businesses. Even if many have won disputes against a particular business, it will in no way affect the relationship between the bad merchant and credit card company. The credit card company will continue to allow charges to go through.

6. Last for now, but diffinitely not least, silence by the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute should be considered by all, a "BOW IN DEFFERENCE", for no legitimate company, that was able to prove reports against them and or to the contrary, would have ever allowed this many complaints to have accumulated against them.

Silence alone, by the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, should be considered by all, an admission of guilt.

In order for them to now prove me wrong, they will have to prove EVERYTHING, that I have mentioned in EACH and EVERY report and rebuttal false and to the contrary, when all I asked in the beginning was very simply for fair and honest dealings, and they could'nt even provide that.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. F^ck you Mike Evans! $9.8 million! C'mon, be a man and contact me. You have my number. I would even be willing to negotiate some kind of payment plan for you. There is no other option. I will not be bullied by anyone, or company and will definitely not be brushed off like lint. You do want to get me off your back eventually don't you? C'mon Mike Evans, you owe it to your company.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

It's very important, that everyone realizes, there is no company and or offer, especially those sold via infomercials, that can or will make you wealthy.

In fact it's very safe to say and assume, that the vast majority of infomercial business programs are scams. The John Beck Free and Clear program is a definitely a scam. Uncovered and proven by myself, and many other rip off victims.

This is not the only website, that contains many unacknowledged and unresolved complaints against the fraudulent John Beck programs. As a matter of fact, this fraudulent company has made it very easy for it's many victims, to uncover and and prove it fraudulent.

Here are just a few things to consider, in order to differentiate between what only appears to be a legitimate and reputable business, from one that's totally fraudulent:

Legitimate businesses send out contracts containing full disclosure, stipulating the actual terms and agreement of the contract and it's policies and proceedures.

Legitimate businesses would have absolutely no problem having someone review the contract in order to make a sound and rashional decision.

Fraudulent businesses on the other hand, have an entire arsenal of bogus sales pitches and much rather "close" the sale immediately.

Fraudulent businesses also prefer obtaining your credit card number over the phone, and having the conversation recorded, for what they want consumers to believe is a valid contract.

Never give your credit card information over the phone and or agree to have the conversation recorded. Automatically assume the business is fraudulent because it is.

Take notice of the tremendous diffences in all the victims investments, regarding John Beck's fraudulent "mentoring" program. That's because this fraudulent company like the many other so called "mentoring" companies, are only interested in someones total available credit and nothing else.

Once fraudulent "mentoring" companies obtain all of your credit card information, the deal is sealed and the trap doors shut, by your agreeing to have the conversation recorded.

Deceptive trade, is just one of many other fraudulent practices, that these fraudulent and non existant "mentoring" programs uses.

Fine print, which fraudulent companies that have much to hide often use in their advertising, is nothing more than concealment of the truth. These moneymaking infomercials are flooded with half truths and many flat out lies.

Legitimate businesses that are confident their company products and or sevices offer and honor refunds. Don't ever mistake a 3-5 day "right to cancel" part of a businesses refund policy, and avoid enrolling into any and all programs that have such a ridiculous policy.

A 3-5 day "right to cancel", is just one of many strategies used by fraudulent businesses, to give consumers the impression, that what he or she are about to agree to is a legitimate offer.

Take notice of how many complaints exists, regarding the difficulty of getting a live operator during the 3-5 day "right to cancel".

Again, legitimate businesses, that truly believe in the products and or services they're selling, would definitely be willing to back it up with a solid money back guarantee in writing.

That's the way legitimate businesses have always been, and that's the way they'll always be.

Legitimate businesses that have nothing to hide, would definitely be willing and able to come forward in the public eye to lay it all out in the open. It would be considered an honor and would work in their favor to come forward to address and rectify all consumer complaints.

NOTE: If a moneymaking opportunity was ever as good as it's claims, believe me, there would be a lot of positive ranting and raving about it, as opposed to much negative reports and anger.

RECAP:

1. Never agree to and or give out credit card info over the telephone. This has never in my lifetime, been an acceptable form or an ideal way of conducting business.

2. Never agree to have a telephone conversation recorded and used as a means of a legal contract. Far too many scam companies would have you believe, that tape recorded contracts are valid, legally binding and enforceable, when in fact, the exact opposite holds true.

A legal contract must have several elements to be considered legally enforceable and binding on the person "signing it. Therefore, legitimate businesses would not even waste time with the implementation of such nonsense.

Check your local laws as to the legalities of oral contracts, as it tremendously differs from state to state.

3. Money back guarantee. See above for an explanation.

4. BBB memberships and ratings means and or proves nothing about a business. Membeships are paid for, not earned therefore in no way may be consideded unbiased.

5. Credit card companies in no way protects consumers from fraudulent businesses. Even if many have won disputes against a particular business, it will in no way affect the relationship between the bad merchant and credit card company. The credit card company will continue to allow charges to go through.

6. Last for now, but diffinitely not least, silence by the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute should be considered by all, a "BOW IN DEFFERENCE", for no legitimate company, that was able to prove reports against them and or to the contrary, would have ever allowed this many complaints to have accumulated against them.

Silence alone, by the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, should be considered by all, an admission of guilt.

In order for them to now prove me wrong, they will have to prove EVERYTHING, that I have mentioned in EACH and EVERY report and rebuttal false and to the contrary, when all I asked in the beginning was very simply for fair and honest dealings, and they could'nt even provide that.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. F^ck you Mike Evans! $9.8 million! C'mon, be a man and contact me. You have my number. I would even be willing to negotiate some kind of payment plan for you. There is no other option. I will not be bullied by anyone, or company and will definitely not be brushed off like lint. You do want to get me off your back eventually don't you? C'mon Mike Evans, you owe it to your company.

Hey there Stephanie,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

If it would help you build a stronger case, maybe we should gather a few people together and seek the absolute maximum damages possible.

After giving it much thought, I have come to the conclusion, that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute can't possibly assemble a strong case for themselves, after losing dispute, after dispute, after dispute.

When any company engages in a consumer dispute, not only are they attempting to fraudulently obtain the consumers money, but also the funds of the credit card company.

That is why it's extremely important for the company in question, to prove disputes against them inaccurate, erroneous, exagerrated, false or to the contrary in some way, shape or form.

The John Beck Mentoring Institute is totally incapable of accomplishing any of these. Each and everytime they lose a dispute, they also lose an equal amount of credibility.

I have witnessed this fraudulent company attempt to financially cripple one too many people, and they are starting to get on my last nerve. Have your attorney contact me through the rebuttal box. Let's form a small army and sue this company for millions.

The bigger the settlement, the more we hurt them where it hurts, the more money for your attorney, and everyone else involved. Maybe Ed (creator of the rip-off report) would also be interested in this situation as well.

I personally, would be willing to travel just about anywhere, to finally see the demise of this fraudulent entity and would also feel good knowing, that I had something to do with it. Any compensation would just be a bonus.

I wish you the best of luck in whatever it is, you along with your attorney decides to pursue. Be strong and always remember, although the duration in which to dispute the transaction may have expired, the statute of limitation regarding fraud against the John Beck company definitely hasn't.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. Keep in touch.

Hey there Stephanie,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirit and health.

In answer to your question, I received every single penny back. I have disputed the charges and rolled this fraudulent company like sushi.

In your case however, you may have exceeded the duration (three day window), in which to cancel the transaction. I wouldn't worry about it too much though.

The three day window is just part of the scam and everyone knows it, including the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute themselves. The three day window is just part of the trap. They don't answer their phone within the three day window anyways.

Their cancellation policy has nothing to do with the fact, that their program does not live up to any of their fraudulent claims. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute renders nothing of value, in exchange for the enormous up front fee.

The John Beck Free and Clear Program, along with the fraudulent "mentoring" service, consists of deceptive trade, extortion, fraud and a bunch of other bull$h!t all rolled into one huge scam.

A few things, that I would definitely bring to your attorney's attention are:

1. The fact that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute is only interested in an individuals "line of credit". This fact has already been established, for if you notice the various differences in every complainant.

2. No mention anywhere in the fraudulent infomercial, regarding any "mentoring", or further investment of any kind.

3. Records, including the dates and times of any and all attempted calls to the company, including all requests for a refund.

4. Ask your attorney if he or she would be willing to contact me, and I can explain how this bogus company has attepted to fraudulently obtain my $6,400.00 through the credit card dispute, by dragging the dispute out for as long as they possibly could, in hopes that I would throw in the towel... and also by continuously submitting irrelevant items on their behalf, all of which had absolutely nothing to do with any "quality of service" dispute.

5. Ask your attorney if it would be possible and or advisable to have media coverage on all courtroom activities. If so, email as many local media companies as you possibly can. Who knows, there just might be one or two interested in covering such a story. If a lawsuit does insue, let me know through the rebuttal box. I would be very willing to contact and notify some media networks out here in Hawaii.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. Keep in touch.

My attorney in Atlanta sent a well-written letter to Kasi Hiatt of Mentoring of America yesterday that basically said if I am not refunded my $8,500 by September 30, 2004 (it was actually $8,500 not $8,000), my husband and I will pursue civil litigation of this matter. Unfortunately based on the reports that I've read on this site it will probably come to that. If I do have to sue them it will be for the amount of my tuition, attorney fees, travel expenses, and the trouble they've caused. How much have any of you gotten back? Reid how much were you able to get back? Does anyone have any recommendations? Thank you.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds each and every one of you in good spirits and health.

This rebuttal is an open invitation, for any and all employees of the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring scam to come foward and resolve this matter in the open, like any legitimate business definitely would.

Shill puppets are also welcome to participate, for I am extremely confident, they have nothing to say, that could prove anything that I've said past or present, false or to the contrary.

The John Beck Mentoring Institute and their mentoring offer are fraudulent and my credit card dispute victory proved it. Further silence will be taken and considered a bow of deference and admittance of guilt.

Come foward in the public eye and let's settle this once and for all. Don't bother coming foward empty handed though. Make sure you're equipped with much apologies and at very least, a partial payment of my $9.8 million.

Until next time, take care everyone, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Steph, Alan and everyone else.

I hope that this rebuttal finds each and every one of you in good spirits and health.

I also hope, that everyone that disputes John Becks fraudulent program wins their dispute and if for some odd reason doesn't, posts their entire experience here on the Rip-Off Report.

Here are just a few items you should submit in regards to your dispute.

1. What exactly are John Becks mentoring fees (upfront fees)supposed to cover? Explain to your credit card company, that what has been agreed upon and the services that have been rendered, are none of the same.

Explain how their fraudulent infomercial which contains much deceptive fine print and possible bogus testimonials, have lured you into nothing more than more deceptive trade practices.

2. Request that your credit card company have this fraudulent company explain exactly why they prefer using oral (telephone) contracts as opposed to written contracts.

3. Marketability: What are the true stats regarding the John Beck Mentoring Institutes fraudulent mentoring? What's the actual and factual success percentage vs failure percentage rate?

It doesn't matter how great a company claims their product or service is. The fact is, the market will only allow so many to succeed befor saturation inevidibly occurs.

Many businesses don't cover their statistics, when they really ought to. Anytime income claims are made, businesses should also be required to back them up with actual stats.

The more people that become involved in a particular business, the greater the chances of saturation occuring, thus tremendously decreasing any income possibilities.

4. Guarantees? I've always found it to be disturbing, when someone says to me, "there are no guarantees in life", especially when it involves a purchase of somekind.

I always respond with somthing like, "one things guaranteed, you gets no payment from me, I don't give a f&ck!!"

I am aware that there are no guarantees in life, but am only interested in knowing, I have an equal opportunity in a program and that the business lives up to their claims. Guarantees demonsrate a companies willingness to back up their claims.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. Keep in touch.

Hey there Steph, Alan and everyone else.

I hope that this rebuttal finds each and every one of you in good spirits and health.

I also hope, that everyone that disputes John Becks fraudulent program wins their dispute and if for some odd reason doesn't, posts their entire experience here on the Rip-Off Report.

Here are just a few items you should submit in regards to your dispute.

1. What exactly are John Becks mentoring fees (upfront fees)supposed to cover? Explain to your credit card company, that what has been agreed upon and the services that have been rendered, are none of the same.

Explain how their fraudulent infomercial which contains much deceptive fine print and possible bogus testimonials, have lured you into nothing more than more deceptive trade practices.

2. Request that your credit card company have this fraudulent company explain exactly why they prefer using oral (telephone) contracts as opposed to written contracts.

3. Marketability: What are the true stats regarding the John Beck Mentoring Institutes fraudulent mentoring? What's the actual and factual success percentage vs failure percentage rate?

It doesn't matter how great a company claims their product or service is. The fact is, the market will only allow so many to succeed befor saturation inevidibly occurs.

Many businesses don't cover their statistics, when they really ought to. Anytime income claims are made, businesses should also be required to back them up with actual stats.

The more people that become involved in a particular business, the greater the chances of saturation occuring, thus tremendously decreasing any income possibilities.

4. Guarantees? I've always found it to be disturbing, when someone says to me, "there are no guarantees in life", especially when it involves a purchase of somekind.

I always respond with somthing like, "one things guaranteed, you gets no payment from me, I don't give a f&ck!!"

I am aware that there are no guarantees in life, but am only interested in knowing, I have an equal opportunity in a program and that the business lives up to their claims. Guarantees demonsrate a companies willingness to back up their claims.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. Keep in touch.

Hey there Steph, Alan and everyone else.

I hope that this rebuttal finds each and every one of you in good spirits and health.

I also hope, that everyone that disputes John Becks fraudulent program wins their dispute and if for some odd reason doesn't, posts their entire experience here on the Rip-Off Report.

Here are just a few items you should submit in regards to your dispute.

1. What exactly are John Becks mentoring fees (upfront fees)supposed to cover? Explain to your credit card company, that what has been agreed upon and the services that have been rendered, are none of the same.

Explain how their fraudulent infomercial which contains much deceptive fine print and possible bogus testimonials, have lured you into nothing more than more deceptive trade practices.

2. Request that your credit card company have this fraudulent company explain exactly why they prefer using oral (telephone) contracts as opposed to written contracts.

3. Marketability: What are the true stats regarding the John Beck Mentoring Institutes fraudulent mentoring? What's the actual and factual success percentage vs failure percentage rate?

It doesn't matter how great a company claims their product or service is. The fact is, the market will only allow so many to succeed befor saturation inevidibly occurs.

Many businesses don't cover their statistics, when they really ought to. Anytime income claims are made, businesses should also be required to back them up with actual stats.

The more people that become involved in a particular business, the greater the chances of saturation occuring, thus tremendously decreasing any income possibilities.

4. Guarantees? I've always found it to be disturbing, when someone says to me, "there are no guarantees in life", especially when it involves a purchase of somekind.

I always respond with somthing like, "one things guaranteed, you gets no payment from me, I don't give a f&ck!!"

I am aware that there are no guarantees in life, but am only interested in knowing, I have an equal opportunity in a program and that the business lives up to their claims. Guarantees demonsrate a companies willingness to back up their claims.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. Keep in touch.

Hey there Steph, Alan and everyone else.

I hope that this rebuttal finds each and every one of you in good spirits and health.

I also hope, that everyone that disputes John Becks fraudulent program wins their dispute and if for some odd reason doesn't, posts their entire experience here on the Rip-Off Report.

Here are just a few items you should submit in regards to your dispute.

1. What exactly are John Becks mentoring fees (upfront fees)supposed to cover? Explain to your credit card company, that what has been agreed upon and the services that have been rendered, are none of the same.

Explain how their fraudulent infomercial which contains much deceptive fine print and possible bogus testimonials, have lured you into nothing more than more deceptive trade practices.

2. Request that your credit card company have this fraudulent company explain exactly why they prefer using oral (telephone) contracts as opposed to written contracts.

3. Marketability: What are the true stats regarding the John Beck Mentoring Institutes fraudulent mentoring? What's the actual and factual success percentage vs failure percentage rate?

It doesn't matter how great a company claims their product or service is. The fact is, the market will only allow so many to succeed befor saturation inevidibly occurs.

Many businesses don't cover their statistics, when they really ought to. Anytime income claims are made, businesses should also be required to back them up with actual stats.

The more people that become involved in a particular business, the greater the chances of saturation occuring, thus tremendously decreasing any income possibilities.

4. Guarantees? I've always found it to be disturbing, when someone says to me, "there are no guarantees in life", especially when it involves a purchase of somekind.

I always respond with somthing like, "one things guaranteed, you gets no payment from me, I don't give a f&ck!!"

I am aware that there are no guarantees in life, but am only interested in knowing, I have an equal opportunity in a program and that the business lives up to their claims. Guarantees demonsrate a companies willingness to back up their claims.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. Keep in touch.

Hello Stephanie,
Every time I see the lisping John Beck on the tube I want to gag. Here he is saying you can buy properties worth hundreds of thousands of dollars for 356.98. Wow if this were true EVERYONE would be doing it. There would be no homeless. This is pure fraud plain and simple. Unfortunately you have found out the hard way, but you are not alone. Read the other reports about this guy, and pay special attention to Reids comments. He went thru this and did get his money back, but not without a battle. You can do it just don't give up. You only fail when you quit.
Best regards